May 7, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off with a discussion on various current events and political issues. The hosts delve into the economic policies of the current administration, highlighting Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant's remarks on the administration's handling of the economy. They also cover the conclave of Cardinals underway to elect a new Pope, featuring insights from Raymond Arroyo of Fox News, who is reporting live from Rome.
The show transitions to international affairs, discussing India's military strikes inside Pakistan targeting terrorist training camps, emphasizing the potential for escalation and the importance of monitoring global hotspots. The hosts reflect on their recent conversation with Senator Rand Paul about tariffs and the balance between free trade and targeted measures.
A significant portion of the hour is dedicated to critiquing Senator Thom Tillis of North Carolina for his refusal to support Ed Martin, Trump's nominee for US Attorney for Washington DC. The hosts argue that Martin's work defending January 6th defendants should not disqualify him from the position and express disappointment in Tillis's stance. They invite Tillis to explain his decision on the show, emphasizing the importance of the US Attorney role in DC.
The hosts also discuss the broader implications of Tillis's decision, comparing it to past political maneuvers and expressing frustration with Republican senators who betray their base. They highlight the need for strong leadership and accountability within the party.
The hour concludes with a lighter segment on Disney's decision to build a new theme park in Abu Dhabi, contrasting the company's stance on LGBTQ+ issues in the US with the harsh penalties for homosexuality in Abu Dhabi. The hosts question the consistency of Disney's policies and the potential backlash from the public.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Wednesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
gets going right now. We're going to dive into all
of the news with you, as we always do.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We've got a few things here, including Scott Bessant, the
Treasury Secretary, giving a bit of a reality check to
anybody who thinks that this administration does not know what
they are doing on the economy. The Conclave of Cardinals
is underway to elect a pope. Very important for those
(00:34):
who are members of the Catholic flock, but very interesting
to the media, I suppose because of all of the
well because it's one point five billion Catholics, and also
a lot of pageantry and ceremony and smoke coming out
of the chimney. To say whether the conclave has elected
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a pope or not, I think they've vote a few times.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Today. We're going to have Raymond Arroyo on this right.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
We've got somebody who follow this, Yes, from Fox News,
follows this closely. He is joining us live from Rome.
Oh man, pretty cool. That's that's tough. That's tough duty.
You think he's I.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Was as well.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
First of all, you might.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Escape is the second plate of Carbonara in order to
hang out with us.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
This is the perfect story to be covering because you
really don't even have to You can't interview anybody, right,
I mean, the the all of the cardinals are locked
in the conclave. You just kind of sit and wait
for the white smoke to emerge from the Saint Peter's
chimney that they put in. Uh, this is going to
be fun to follow, Buck. I don't know if you
because you're far less flawed than I am when it
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comes to gambling. Did you know that there is wagering
you can bet on who the next pope is going
to be? Twenty sounds million dollars has been wagered already
with people putting money out on the table on who
they think is going to be the next pope, which
is amazing and also probably not very saintly, but that
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is going on right now. That is the number one
way to track the odds market from what's going on
in the conclavet because everything else is shut down.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Now we've got that and a bunch of other stories
we're going to be getting to with you here, including
that there's been military strikes inside of Pakistan by India.
I know it's far away in countries we don't talk
about that much, but they're big countries and they have
nukes and they are now on the well, there's limited
(02:38):
hostilities going on since you'd call this an incursion, Clay,
this is just like the exercises during CIA analyst training.
We would have to come up with ways to assess
is this an escalation or is this a limited strike?
Is this going to result in crossing a red line?
And right now they've gone after non the Indian military
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and Indian Air Force has gone after non military terrorist
training camps in Pakistan and they're saying this is quote
non escalatory. But you know, if you go up to
a guy in a bar and you slap him across
the face, you could say, hey man, that was non escalatory.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I didn't use a fist. Doesn't mean he's gonna agree
with you, right, So.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
We got to see where this goes. Hopefully things calm
down there, because yeah, war is bad and nuclear war
is very bad. I don't think that's gonna happen. I
think this is all gonna calm down. But you know, people,
it's worth paying attention to, worth understanding that there are
hot spots that can crop up very quickly around the globe.
But Clay, I wanted to start with this, you know,
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because I think we do a fair amount of high
fiving the team, so to speak, for the administration so
far doing a great job, which they are, and a
lot of members. I think we had a great conversation
with Senator Rampaul yesterday. I was really pleased to hear
him explain he's not opposed to all tariffs, but he
doesn't think that blankets tariff's you know. He wants it
(04:05):
targeted and precise. He understands we're not in some free
trade shangri la, you know, we're not in the Xenado
of free trade. But he also doesn't want things to
escalate unnecessarily. Anyway, we do a lot of good work
is being done. We want to tell you about that.
The administration wants to tell you about that. But we
(04:26):
also sometimes have to have a conversation when someone on
our team, so to speak, Team Republican comes up way
short and Clay and I have been looking into looking
into what's happened here with Senator Tillis in North Carolina.
We have a lot of North Carolina listeners. He made
it clear yesterday that he would not support ed Martin,
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who was Donald Trump's nominee for US Attorney for Washington
d C. And so essentially he went and said, I
will not I will not go forward with this. I
will not be will to support Tom Tillis is not
willing to support Trump's US attorney for DC. This is
a really important position. This is not just something that
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is another US attorney. Some US attorneys are more important
than others in terms of the kinds of cases politically
that they handle. But Clay before we dive into this,
this is what Senator Tillis, a Republican mind, you had
to say about why he will not allow Ed Martin,
Trump's nominee no longer former nominee, I guess for US
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Attorney d C.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Play two.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
I think anybody that breached the perimeter should have been
in prison for some period of time.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Whether it's thirty days or three years is debatable.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
But I have no tolerance for anybody who entered the
building on January the sixth, and that's probably where most
of the friction was. Mister Martin did a good job
of explaining how there were people that probably got caught
up in it.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
But they made the stupid decision to come through.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
A building that had been breached and that the police
officers and others were saying stay away. So the difference
wasn't that they to be charged in my estimation, it's
by how much.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
That's an argument I'm willing to have.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
But we have to be very very clear that what
happened on January the sixth was wrong.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
It was not prompted or created by other people to
put those people in trouble.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
They made a stupid decision, and they disgraced the United States.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I've never heard Tom Tillis speak this angrily about anything
else with this kind of force. I am so ticked
off by this Clay He's saying that that basically taking
the position that because ed Martin worked as an attorney, right,
we all know about what happened with John Adams and
the British and the Boston massacre and defense Edmond worked
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as an attorney on behalf of j six people who
were treated horrifically unfairly by the system, and now we
have a Republican senator blocking him from being US Attorney
Trump's pick in the maybe the most important seat in
all of d In all of the country. Yeah, I
think it's unacceptable, and I don't even know we've reached out.
(07:05):
We should say to Tom Tillis's office, Yeah, I want
him on the show. I want him on the show.
I want to have it out with him on this
January sixth. They needed to be punished more severely.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Well, look, I've donated money to the Defense Fund for
January sixth defendants. We've had Julie Kelly on the show,
probably more than almost any single guest.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Tom Tillis would say, you shouldn't be able to be
a US attorney play anywhere in the country, even though
you're a lawyer and you know a lot of excellent
things about you.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
We don't have to get into that right now.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
But yeah, look, I mean I think that Tom Tillis
should come on the show. We have extended an invite
to him to explain this decision, and I'll just kind
of continue to hammer my perspective on this. President won
a victory landslide. Every all fifty states moved more conservative.
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He won all seven battleground states, including North Carolina, by
a substantial amount. I'm confident that Trump is more popular
in North Carolina than Tillis's and this particular appointment, as
you just laid out, is very important relative to the
power that it wields. Trump is making Washington, d C.
(08:15):
Better in conjunction, honestly with Muriel Bowser, who showed up
for the White House event announcing that the draft would
be taking place there. Buck, I was just up in
a couple of months ago. I'm gonna be up. You're
gonna be up in June. I was just up two
weeks ago. I think that that DC is and you
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lived there. I went to college there. We spent a
lot of time in the in the over the past
several decades. There they are making it safer. They are
starting to put violent criminals in prison. But make no mistake,
when Joe Biden came into office, they decided through the
US Attorney's Office in DC, that they were going to
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drop almost all serious felony charges of a violent nature
to misdemeanors, except they were going to elevate a lot
of misdemeanors related to January sixth to felonies. So it
wasn't just that they went soft on crime. It's that
in this particular office they went soft on crime, on
actual danger that people faced in the day to day
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lives in DC, while drastically over punishing people who found
themselves in any way affiliated with January sixth. Some, as
you pointed out, and we pointed on the show, just
people who walked inside open doors grandmas with selfie sticks
were being put in solitary confinement, being locked up for
potentially years and a DC goolag and nobody talked about it.
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This appointment is very important. The idea that Tellus would
be saying, oh, January sixth was somehow Look, I'm not
defending January sixth, but in the context of how BLM
rioters and protesters were treated for months, January sixth was
very different treatment in d we see in other places,
and we need some semblance of justice to return. I
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think that this is an easy decision ed Martin should
be in and I think it's shameful that there would
be a Republican senator stopping it from happening.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Frankly, I know that North Carolina is a competitive state,
and people will make the argument, oh, well, maybe Tillis
is you know the best we can do. No, it's
not Maine. You can do better than Tom Tillis. Because
this is a guy who doesn't know what time it is,
doesn't understand, or I should say, lacks the courage to
be in the fight the way that he needs to
be right now. His problem, apparently with Ed Martin is
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that as an interim US Attorney, Martin opened up an
investigation into the DC hand l the DC US Attorney's
office handling of J six cases, and there were some
federal prosecutors who were fired during during that you know,
that period, and I think it all should have been fired.
I think that using your office to destroy American citizens
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to make some kind of political point when they haven't done.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Anything bad or really bad. You know, depends on who
we're talking about here, right, Yeah, I mean, am.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I pro trespassing? No, I'm not pro trespassing. I think
you could get a fine, you know, it depends on who. Now,
are you able to punch cops in the face and
get away with it? No, unless you're a Democrat Biden voter,
then it's okay to punch cops in the face.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You just have to say you're doing it. For George Floyd.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
We have all seen the way that this game was played,
and we are furious about it. And I think what
Tom till us to me, Clay, this is like somebody
who was, you know, supported like faucyite vaccine mandates. This
is a one and done for me. To stand in
the way of a of a solid choice from the
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Trump administration to clean up the obvious weaponization of the
DCUs Attorney's office is outrageous. It's and I just hope
that people we got a lot of North Carolina listeners.
I hope they remember. I hope they spread the word
you can do better than Tom tillis some of the worst.
Hat tip our friend Jesse Kelly on this. He's totally right.
(12:11):
The worst Republican betrayals of the base come from Republicans
who are in red and sometimes very red states.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yes, and they get away with it. I agree.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
I mean, it's partly because when you get elected, people
don't really pay attention to what you do.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
This is the truth.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
When you win in a red state, and Jesse's been
on this for a while, primary turnout it's almost non existent.
We'll see what happens in the state of Texas because
there is probably going to be a huge red state
primary battle between John Cornyn and Ken Paxton and we
will see how exactly that all shakes out. But I
think there may well be Tillis challengers in North Carolina,
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and I just for the life of me, I don't
understand how in the world this could have occurred, which
is why we've offered him an opportunity to come on.
It feels buck to me, very personal, as if there
is something that is not being said publicly that actually
is motivating this privately. Does that make sense to you
(13:16):
because arguing, hey, he was too lenient on Jan six
protesters and therefore I can't support him to be US
attorney when he's otherwise very well qualified doesn't add right.
It's you have to look at this from the perspective
of a quizzling, and it's not smart for the quizzling
to do this unless there's something where unless he thinks
(13:38):
that he's going to be able to just edge things.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
He's up for reelection in twenty six. So but I
don't think anyone is. I don't think anyone cares about uh,
you know, like, I don't think this would be a
strike against it with any Republican in North Carolina or
even independent voters.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
I don't understand how that would be even for his
own political viability. This doesn't add up to me because
it doesn't seem to me to be a significant enough
issue that it would motivate turnout either way.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show Breaking down
the battle over the US Attorney in Washington, DC. There are,
like we said, many different things that I think are
occurring that are making Washington, DC better, And I do
think sometimes you need to shine a light as you
said on opposition but positive story here. I think the
(15:46):
real impact that's changing DC is workers have to go
into their offices now and for years since COVID shutdown,
nobody has been in the DC federal office buildings and
it's a ghost town. In many of these blocks. Businesses
have shut up, shut up, shut down. If you are intant,
(16:08):
for instance, selling coffee, you're used to being able to
have federal workers come in and out of your buildings
on a regular basis. Heck, if you're selling hamburgers, Nobody
was going into any of these businesses. When I was
just back up in DC. It was a very noticeable
vibe shift in terms of just the walking foot traffic
on the streets. People are back in the district and
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that matters because it helps to make things safer because
there's more people there who are not engaging in violent
crimes and virtually empty cities. And I think it's going
to lead to a very positive return for DC. And
I think Trump deserves some credit for this, and we
need to add more positivity to it by having a
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guy in charge who could put violent criminals behind bars,
which is something that everybody who lives in DC honestly wants,
even if they may not be big time Trump supporters.
So it feels like a no brainer to me. And
again offers out to Tom Tillis, Senator from North Carolina
to come on the show and explain to you guys
why he's making the choice that he is.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yes, And I think he should because if he feels
that strongly about it, he should be willing to address
his constituents. In part because, like I said, we have
a lot of listeners in North Carolina as well as
across the country, and I want him to explain why
somebody working for the rights of Jay six defendants makes
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them not okay to be.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
A US attorney? What is that?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Think about the scumbags that Democrats and high profile Democrat
lawyers and you know will work on behalf of Democrats
have just I know you're gonna say, it's not all Democrats,
pretty much is They've raised a million dollars for the
Luigi Defense Fund. Okay, but now we're drawing the line
at Ed Martin for US attorney, he would have been
very effective. This is a this is a very disappointing
(18:02):
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Speaker 1 (19:00):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Calling out Senator Tillis, we're blocking Trump's former now that's
been withdrawn nominee for the US Attorney. He was interim
US Attorney in DC, and they wanted to get him
voted in on a permanent basis. And Tillis said, nope,
you're too nice to j six defendants to Ed Martin,
and so here here we are, I can see are
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like I said, all along a lot of North Carolina listeners,
and I'm not a surprise they are unhappy with what
the senator who's supposed to represent them has done. Here
we have Sean in Asheville, North Carolina, where my some
of my in laws live.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
What's going on, Sean.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
Hey Man, thank you for taking my call, just you know,
steal with Kevin from Helene here.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
How is it? How is it there now?
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Sorry to cut you off at how is it for
people in the Asheville area? How much supporter are you getting?
Is there enough help in the Trump era so far?
Speaker 8 (19:58):
I think it is better now than initially. I mean
the first couple of weeks was like you're chaos. No
one was doing anything. My local towel officials did absolutely nothing.
I mean we were without water like three weeks. They
had no distribution centers, they didn't come around with loud
(20:21):
speakers in the police cars. And I live in a
very small town just north of Asheville. None of that
was happening. But then things started to open up a
little bit better. It's been better since Trump has gotten in.
Actually have gotten some actual response from them after it
came to light that maybe if you had a Trump
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sound in your yard that they you know, they turn away.
But I mean, as I look out my front wind,
I have a pile of root balls. Because you can't
haul those off for like two thousand pounds apiece. I
can't pick them up and get them down of the roadway.
And well it's been you know. They keep saying, well,
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we'll get back to you if we can help you
with that. And I'm you know, thirty thousand dollars into
grading equipment, trying to get these things out of here,
and still no help. So it's coming, but it's very slow.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Okay, Well, hopefully people are listening in the Trump team
and they are going to continue to give you guys resources.
But I wanted to know how things were going there.
Thank you for that feedback. Now you wanted to tell
us also about Tom Tillis, Yeah, you know, and.
Speaker 8 (21:33):
I've already called his office. I have been a long
time supporter of Tillis, but I can't understand the logic.
I mean, I'm not an attorney, but my understanding is
is that every person is innocent to proven guilty, and
they have the right to legal counsel, which this attorney
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provided to them. I don't think it's the attorney's responsibility
and you guys can straighten out. I'm from Rome. I
don't think that attorney has to decide, Oh, I can
only represent a person that's going to fall on this
side or that side. Their job is to represent that
person to the best of their abilities within the legal
specifications and the parameters.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
So yes, we agree.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
He's I don't know what he knickers in a ward for,
but I'm certainly extremely disappointed. And I've already called his
office and let him know that, you know, no more
he must be. The only logic I can come to
is he's part of the swamp.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Yeah, thank you for the call. Is take a couple
more of these calls here in North Carolina. But you
and I, it just doesn't add up to me. And
this is why I would like him to come on
the show and explain there has to be something else
other than this that is truly motivating the decision.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Remember remember when Mitt Romney was marching with a mask
on outside outside behind you with his mask on, he
was like, I'm here because black lives matter. It's like, really, Mid, really,
this is what it's come to with you. You're part
of the BLM march with your mask on. Really yes,
you know, and it turned out we learned who mid
Rodney really was.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
So yeah, no, I mean, and maybe it's just that
Dave in Outer Banks, North Carolina, what's your take?
Speaker 9 (23:20):
Hey, great show, guys, Miss Rush, But you guys are
doing a great job. My take and Tillis, as I've
called his office. It took me two days to get
through and I spoke to spoke to his one of
those people going to get a response. But I want
to remind you guys that the North Carolina Republican Party
censored Tom Tillis in twenty twenty three for his banking
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of g LGBTQ plus rights, immigration and gun violence pallaces.
He was back in the red the red Flag law,
and he was against moving military funds, military construction funds
from matt to the building or of the border wall.
We have never been, Tilli, says my wife, and I
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only voted for him because President Trump becked him and
said he had turned a corner. Well, I think he's
going to turn around and has gone back to his
little ways. He doesn't show up at our conventions, he
never comes to the eastern portion of North Carolina, and
we're through with him.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Do you think you might get primaried.
Speaker 9 (24:26):
We're looking for somebody.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I figured you might be. Well, you know, you're putting
the word out to a lot of people listening right now.
I'm sure there's some exceptional patriot out there in the
state of North Carolina who may want to give them
better representation in the Senate. Sharon in Raleigh, North Carolina,
you're up next.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Hi, Joy, listen to your show. And I just wanted
to voice the same sentiments that the gentleman just basically stated.
Mister Chillis sends out emails to his constituents and asked
about how he doing, how he wants to you know,
how we think he needs to proceed. And I feel
what most everybody's probably given him the indication that we
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want him to support mister Trump. And as you stated earlier,
I think this is to do with the upcoming re
election issue, and I feel like he needs to reconsider
his position. And I'm hoping I called him up the message.
I've not heard back from him, and I've also told
him I think he needs to call your show. He
needs to voices why why he needs to stands this
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way if as constituents we need to understand, but what
you stated, it makes no sense basically because anybody that
supported Trump is aware of the January sixth issue, and
like you said, it really just doesn't Uh, it's not
logical for his dease it.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
It feels like it feels a bit sharing to me,
like moral preening or some kind of just vain show
voting maneuver. I don't get it. I mean, and maybe
he thinks it'll do better for him in re election somehow,
but that's a political calculation that I can't square. I
don't see that. So to me, it just feels like
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it just feels like really bad judgment. I think that's
the easiest way to put it. Thank you for calling in, Sharon.
We'll take one more here. Alan in eastern North Carolina.
What's going on?
Speaker 10 (26:17):
Yeah, I've always thought of Tom Tillis as a Rhino,
but I covered I used to work in the local
news here and I covered him when he was first
running for the Senate. At the time, it was held
by a Democrat his seat and so people were excited
about him.
Speaker 11 (26:33):
But he was a John McCain Republican. John McCain came
here and campaigned for him, and it just seems like
ever since he's been in there, he's been that opposition
with Trump on a lot of things, even though he's
changed his vote on dozens of things.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
It seems like, yeah, thank you, thank you. I just
don't get it.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
And again, open invite to Tom to to come on
and explain this guy. Ed Martin is already the acting
director of the office, so he's already doing the job.
It feels personal to me, and sometimes senators have personal
conflicts with individuals that otherwise would be confirmed. That's not
(27:19):
necessarily uncommon. But the rationale that he has provided so
far to me is not compelling as to why Ed
Martin shouldn't be able to get this job. And again,
this is a very important job when it comes to
who's in charge of justice in Washington, d C. He's
come in and tried to clean up the office. He's
(27:39):
fired a bunch of people that he thinks are two
left wing in their prosecutorial basis.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I think here's a good data point to add into this.
They made damn sure that every j sixter k stayed
in the DC US Attorney's docket because they didn't want to.
They didn't want him to get a fair trun Yes, right,
So what does that tell you They knew that it
was like the legal wood chipper for anybody who had
(28:06):
been been involved with Trump j six, any of that. Well,
clearly there's a problem there when the when the weaponized
Justice Department, or rather when the weaponization of justice is
so consolidated that they clearly would rather have everybody who
was I think there was not a single change of
venue Clay was there. I'm not aware of a single
change of venue out of the district of Columbia. It
(28:28):
was not almost because they knew, Yeah, they knew that.
It was just it was a an assembly line of
destroying and humiliating Trump voters who were at the Capitol
on January sixth. That was the whole point of what
the US Attorney's Office was doing. And all the people
who got fired deserved it.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
And by the way, I said, and I still would
echo this, they need to give everybody who gets charged
with federal crimes the opportunity to take those cases to
their actual location, that is your your particular domisi. You
shouldn't be able to prosecute someone in Washington, d C.
(29:05):
Without them being able to remove it federally to their
local jurisdiction, That to me, would be one way to
try to take away some of the power that Democrats
have embedded in the DC court system in general. But
in the meantime, here's a question for you, and maybe
some of you can find them. Did any nominee that
Joe Biden put forward not get confirmed by Democrats? Did
(29:29):
this happen anywhere to Joe Biden? Did any major office
in the Department of Justice that Joe Biden wanted an
appointment confirmed? Did any Democrat senator stand up and say no,
I won't allow this. Elections this is when Barack Obama
got right have consequences, and one of those consequences is
(29:49):
the president should get to pick the people that he
wants to represent him in important offices.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I'm also says I don't like this blue slip thing,
which I know un has said he's going to he's
going to, uh, you know, agree to. This is just
when the Senate Judiciary Committee has this practice of making
sure that the senators in the home state they get
a blue piece of paper to put their opinion of
(30:16):
the nominee on.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And so you you know, why do we do this?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Because I'm gonna tell you something the Democrats get through
their communist left wing legislate from the bench people under
the guise of remember Tom Tillis voted for Merrick Garland.
I know, like Merrick Garland is okay with me, aok Merrick.
But if this is the thing, we always get screwed
(30:43):
by this game of oh well, we have this idea
that there's gonna be a you know, we're gonna cool
things down with the blue slip process. We should be
we should be, you know, letting the freight train loose here.
We should not be slowing things down for these Democrats,
not now, not after what.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate everybody
hanging out with us. We've got a bunch of different
reactions obviously pouring in not a surprise to the Tom
Tillis decision and how it does not make a great
deal of decision. Here's Mike from North Carolina one oh
(32:44):
six point one FM talk radio. Uh here's his reaction
as well.
Speaker 12 (32:50):
Listen, hey Clayon Buck Mike here in North Carolina, and
I gotta say, I am super ashamed to hear Tom
Tillis take that position.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
And I think I speak.
Speaker 12 (33:03):
For a lot of like minded, level headed people here
in North Carolina that he will now be the Senator
for much longer. He's not going to win the next
the next selection, No way.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
We'll see these incumbents in red states.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Sorry, they somehow managed to hang on.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
The amount of money that's going to be spent against
him from Democrats is monumental because the board is not
that great for them. Again in twenty twenty six, and
now that we have opened up a three Senate lead
and have the tie break, that means Democrats would have
to flip four different seats, which frankly, I just I
don't think is possible in twenty twenty six. Now, Unfortunately,
(33:47):
if you look at the Senate map, there have been
individuals out there that had good chances to win Brian
Kemp and Georgia, for instance, the current governor who's been
very popular, decided not to run for the Senate. So
flipping Democrat seats, whether it's in Michigan, whether it's in Georgia,
whether it's in some of these places, Arizona where in
(34:09):
theory there may I believe be opportunities to flip seats.
May not be as easy as we had hoped. New
Hampshire another location there. I mean, the map is not
bad for Republicans, but the candidate quality is not elite
so far in terms of who's going to be able
to win those treasons.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
What always ends up happening is you say, how could
this state have such a bad incumbent Republican? They should
be able to get a great and then people say, oh,
he's better than the guy who tried to beat him,
or the gall tried to beat them last time. She
was even bigger rhino. Okay, well, how do we fix this?
I just think it's an easy answer.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
And look, if I were in the Senate and a
Republican president won election, I would unless it was something
totally outlandish in terms of a nominee, I would sign
off on all the presidents dominations and the guy is
already the acting US attorney. Some of you may be
better proceeds, certainly, some of you out there listening right
(35:09):
now are better procedurely than I am on this. Can
the president? How long can someone be an acting US attorney?
Speaker 1 (35:16):
A long time? Other a long time?
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Right?
Speaker 5 (35:18):
So, if it doesn't become official, what is the timeframe
under which this gentleman ed Martin would have to be removed?
And also are there any recess appointment opportunities if Trump
wanted to make him? I'm not sure again how this
works for US attorneys. Some of you out there are
(35:40):
procedural experts when it comes to issues like this. I
haven't seen it written or talked about, but I do
wonder if Tillis refuses to change his opinion on this,
what restrictions are in play here such that and options
that the president would have if he wants this individual
at Martin to be and remaining in the office.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Hees are already in Clay. You have us at the
top of the next hour.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
What incredible journey are you going to be leading us
on here into the world of news, analysis, commentary and
all things.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Did you see Buck that Disney. I want to have
some fun with this.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Disney has decided to build a new theme park in
Abu Dobby, Okay, Middle East. Remember they were angry at
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis over the so called Don't Say
Gay Bill. They filed a lawsuit over at everything else.
Were you aware Buck that in Abu Dhabi, if you
are gay, you can be beheaded.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I was aware, Yes, I was aware.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Seems a little bit tougher than kindergarten. First second, third
graders can't get taught sexuality related issues. I think this
is a really interesting moment, and I'm curious if people
are going to hold a company like Disney accountable over
how their policies apply around the world versus in this country.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
We'll have some fun with that.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
More head
Welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Wednesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
gets going right now. We're going to dive into all
of the news with you, as we always do.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We've got a few things here, including Scott Bessant, the
Treasury Secretary, giving a bit of a reality check to
anybody who thinks that this administration does not know what
they are doing on the economy. The Conclave of Cardinals
is underway to elect a pope. Very important for those
(00:34):
who are members of the Catholic flock, but very interesting
to the media, I suppose because of all of the
well because it's one point five billion Catholics, and also
a lot of pageantry and ceremony and smoke coming out
of the chimney. To say whether the conclave has elected
(00:55):
a pope or not, I think they've vote a few times.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Today. We're going to have Raymond Arroyo on this right.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
We've got somebody who follow this, Yes, from Fox News,
follows this closely. He is joining us live from Rome.
Oh man, pretty cool. That's that's tough. That's tough duty.
You think he's I.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Was as well.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
First of all, you might.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Escape is the second plate of Carbonara in order to
hang out with us.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
This is the perfect story to be covering because you
really don't even have to You can't interview anybody, right,
I mean, the the all of the cardinals are locked
in the conclave. You just kind of sit and wait
for the white smoke to emerge from the Saint Peter's
chimney that they put in. Uh, this is going to
be fun to follow, Buck. I don't know if you
because you're far less flawed than I am when it
(01:44):
comes to gambling. Did you know that there is wagering
you can bet on who the next pope is going
to be? Twenty sounds million dollars has been wagered already
with people putting money out on the table on who
they think is going to be the next pope, which
is amazing and also probably not very saintly, but that
(02:06):
is going on right now. That is the number one
way to track the odds market from what's going on
in the conclavet because everything else is shut down.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Now we've got that and a bunch of other stories
we're going to be getting to with you here, including
that there's been military strikes inside of Pakistan by India.
I know it's far away in countries we don't talk
about that much, but they're big countries and they have
nukes and they are now on the well, there's limited
(02:38):
hostilities going on since you'd call this an incursion, Clay,
this is just like the exercises during CIA analyst training.
We would have to come up with ways to assess
is this an escalation or is this a limited strike?
Is this going to result in crossing a red line?
And right now they've gone after non the Indian military
(03:00):
and Indian Air Force has gone after non military terrorist
training camps in Pakistan and they're saying this is quote
non escalatory. But you know, if you go up to
a guy in a bar and you slap him across
the face, you could say, hey man, that was non escalatory.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I didn't use a fist. Doesn't mean he's gonna agree
with you, right, So.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
We got to see where this goes. Hopefully things calm
down there, because yeah, war is bad and nuclear war
is very bad. I don't think that's gonna happen. I
think this is all gonna calm down. But you know, people,
it's worth paying attention to, worth understanding that there are
hot spots that can crop up very quickly around the globe.
But Clay, I wanted to start with this, you know,
(03:43):
because I think we do a fair amount of high
fiving the team, so to speak, for the administration so
far doing a great job, which they are, and a
lot of members. I think we had a great conversation
with Senator Rampaul yesterday. I was really pleased to hear
him explain he's not opposed to all tariffs, but he
doesn't think that blankets tariff's you know. He wants it
(04:05):
targeted and precise. He understands we're not in some free
trade shangri la, you know, we're not in the Xenado
of free trade. But he also doesn't want things to
escalate unnecessarily. Anyway, we do a lot of good work
is being done. We want to tell you about that.
The administration wants to tell you about that. But we
(04:26):
also sometimes have to have a conversation when someone on
our team, so to speak, Team Republican comes up way
short and Clay and I have been looking into looking
into what's happened here with Senator Tillis in North Carolina.
We have a lot of North Carolina listeners. He made
it clear yesterday that he would not support ed Martin,
(04:46):
who was Donald Trump's nominee for US Attorney for Washington
d C. And so essentially he went and said, I
will not I will not go forward with this. I
will not be will to support Tom Tillis is not
willing to support Trump's US attorney for DC. This is
a really important position. This is not just something that
(05:09):
is another US attorney. Some US attorneys are more important
than others in terms of the kinds of cases politically
that they handle. But Clay before we dive into this,
this is what Senator Tillis, a Republican mind, you had
to say about why he will not allow Ed Martin,
Trump's nominee no longer former nominee, I guess for US
(05:30):
Attorney d C.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Play two.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
I think anybody that breached the perimeter should have been
in prison for some period of time.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Whether it's thirty days or three years is debatable.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
But I have no tolerance for anybody who entered the
building on January the sixth, and that's probably where most
of the friction was. Mister Martin did a good job
of explaining how there were people that probably got caught
up in it.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
But they made the stupid decision to come through.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
A building that had been breached and that the police
officers and others were saying stay away. So the difference
wasn't that they to be charged in my estimation, it's
by how much.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
That's an argument I'm willing to have.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
But we have to be very very clear that what
happened on January the sixth was wrong.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
It was not prompted or created by other people to
put those people in trouble.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
They made a stupid decision, and they disgraced the United States.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I've never heard Tom Tillis speak this angrily about anything
else with this kind of force. I am so ticked
off by this Clay He's saying that that basically taking
the position that because ed Martin worked as an attorney, right,
we all know about what happened with John Adams and
the British and the Boston massacre and defense Edmond worked
(06:42):
as an attorney on behalf of j six people who
were treated horrifically unfairly by the system, and now we
have a Republican senator blocking him from being US Attorney
Trump's pick in the maybe the most important seat in
all of d In all of the country. Yeah, I
think it's unacceptable, and I don't even know we've reached out.
(07:05):
We should say to Tom Tillis's office, Yeah, I want
him on the show. I want him on the show.
I want to have it out with him on this
January sixth. They needed to be punished more severely.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Well, look, I've donated money to the Defense Fund for
January sixth defendants. We've had Julie Kelly on the show,
probably more than almost any single guest.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Tom Tillis would say, you shouldn't be able to be
a US attorney play anywhere in the country, even though
you're a lawyer and you know a lot of excellent
things about you.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
We don't have to get into that right now.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
But yeah, look, I mean I think that Tom Tillis
should come on the show. We have extended an invite
to him to explain this decision, and I'll just kind
of continue to hammer my perspective on this. President won
a victory landslide. Every all fifty states moved more conservative.
(07:53):
He won all seven battleground states, including North Carolina, by
a substantial amount. I'm confident that Trump is more popular
in North Carolina than Tillis's and this particular appointment, as
you just laid out, is very important relative to the
power that it wields. Trump is making Washington, d C.
(08:15):
Better in conjunction, honestly with Muriel Bowser, who showed up
for the White House event announcing that the draft would
be taking place there. Buck, I was just up in
a couple of months ago. I'm gonna be up. You're
gonna be up in June. I was just up two
weeks ago. I think that that DC is and you
(08:36):
lived there. I went to college there. We spent a
lot of time in the in the over the past
several decades. There they are making it safer. They are
starting to put violent criminals in prison. But make no mistake,
when Joe Biden came into office, they decided through the
US Attorney's Office in DC, that they were going to
(08:56):
drop almost all serious felony charges of a violent nature
to misdemeanors, except they were going to elevate a lot
of misdemeanors related to January sixth to felonies. So it
wasn't just that they went soft on crime. It's that
in this particular office they went soft on crime, on
actual danger that people faced in the day to day
(09:18):
lives in DC, while drastically over punishing people who found
themselves in any way affiliated with January sixth. Some, as
you pointed out, and we pointed on the show, just
people who walked inside open doors grandmas with selfie sticks
were being put in solitary confinement, being locked up for
potentially years and a DC goolag and nobody talked about it.
(09:42):
This appointment is very important. The idea that Tellus would
be saying, oh, January sixth was somehow Look, I'm not
defending January sixth, but in the context of how BLM
rioters and protesters were treated for months, January sixth was
very different treatment in d we see in other places,
and we need some semblance of justice to return. I
(10:04):
think that this is an easy decision ed Martin should
be in and I think it's shameful that there would
be a Republican senator stopping it from happening.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Frankly, I know that North Carolina is a competitive state,
and people will make the argument, oh, well, maybe Tillis
is you know the best we can do. No, it's
not Maine. You can do better than Tom Tillis. Because
this is a guy who doesn't know what time it is,
doesn't understand, or I should say, lacks the courage to
be in the fight the way that he needs to
be right now. His problem, apparently with Ed Martin is
(10:37):
that as an interim US Attorney, Martin opened up an
investigation into the DC hand l the DC US Attorney's
office handling of J six cases, and there were some
federal prosecutors who were fired during during that you know,
that period, and I think it all should have been fired.
I think that using your office to destroy American citizens
(11:01):
to make some kind of political point when they haven't done.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Anything bad or really bad. You know, depends on who
we're talking about here, right, Yeah, I mean, am.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I pro trespassing? No, I'm not pro trespassing. I think
you could get a fine, you know, it depends on who. Now,
are you able to punch cops in the face and
get away with it? No, unless you're a Democrat Biden voter,
then it's okay to punch cops in the face.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You just have to say you're doing it. For George Floyd.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
We have all seen the way that this game was played,
and we are furious about it. And I think what
Tom till us to me, Clay, this is like somebody
who was, you know, supported like faucyite vaccine mandates. This
is a one and done for me. To stand in
the way of a of a solid choice from the
(11:50):
Trump administration to clean up the obvious weaponization of the
DCUs Attorney's office is outrageous. It's and I just hope
that people we got a lot of North Carolina listeners.
I hope they remember. I hope they spread the word
you can do better than Tom tillis some of the worst.
Hat tip our friend Jesse Kelly on this. He's totally right.
(12:11):
The worst Republican betrayals of the base come from Republicans
who are in red and sometimes very red states.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yes, and they get away with it. I agree.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
I mean, it's partly because when you get elected, people
don't really pay attention to what you do.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
This is the truth.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
When you win in a red state, and Jesse's been
on this for a while, primary turnout it's almost non existent.
We'll see what happens in the state of Texas because
there is probably going to be a huge red state
primary battle between John Cornyn and Ken Paxton and we
will see how exactly that all shakes out. But I
think there may well be Tillis challengers in North Carolina,
(12:55):
and I just for the life of me, I don't
understand how in the world this could have occurred, which
is why we've offered him an opportunity to come on.
It feels buck to me, very personal, as if there
is something that is not being said publicly that actually
is motivating this privately. Does that make sense to you
(13:16):
because arguing, hey, he was too lenient on Jan six
protesters and therefore I can't support him to be US
attorney when he's otherwise very well qualified doesn't add right.
It's you have to look at this from the perspective
of a quizzling, and it's not smart for the quizzling
to do this unless there's something where unless he thinks
(13:38):
that he's going to be able to just edge things.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
He's up for reelection in twenty six. So but I
don't think anyone is. I don't think anyone cares about uh,
you know, like, I don't think this would be a
strike against it with any Republican in North Carolina or
even independent voters.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
I don't understand how that would be even for his
own political viability. This doesn't add up to me because
it doesn't seem to me to be a significant enough
issue that it would motivate turnout either way.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show Breaking down
the battle over the US Attorney in Washington, DC. There are,
like we said, many different things that I think are
occurring that are making Washington, DC better, And I do
think sometimes you need to shine a light as you
said on opposition but positive story here. I think the
(15:46):
real impact that's changing DC is workers have to go
into their offices now and for years since COVID shutdown,
nobody has been in the DC federal office buildings and
it's a ghost town. In many of these blocks. Businesses
have shut up, shut up, shut down. If you are intant,
(16:08):
for instance, selling coffee, you're used to being able to
have federal workers come in and out of your buildings
on a regular basis. Heck, if you're selling hamburgers, Nobody
was going into any of these businesses. When I was
just back up in DC. It was a very noticeable
vibe shift in terms of just the walking foot traffic
on the streets. People are back in the district and
(16:30):
that matters because it helps to make things safer because
there's more people there who are not engaging in violent
crimes and virtually empty cities. And I think it's going
to lead to a very positive return for DC. And
I think Trump deserves some credit for this, and we
need to add more positivity to it by having a
(16:52):
guy in charge who could put violent criminals behind bars,
which is something that everybody who lives in DC honestly wants,
even if they may not be big time Trump supporters.
So it feels like a no brainer to me. And
again offers out to Tom Tillis, Senator from North Carolina
to come on the show and explain to you guys
why he's making the choice that he is.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yes, And I think he should because if he feels
that strongly about it, he should be willing to address
his constituents. In part because, like I said, we have
a lot of listeners in North Carolina as well as
across the country, and I want him to explain why
somebody working for the rights of Jay six defendants makes
(17:34):
them not okay to be.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
A US attorney? What is that?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Think about the scumbags that Democrats and high profile Democrat
lawyers and you know will work on behalf of Democrats
have just I know you're gonna say, it's not all Democrats,
pretty much is They've raised a million dollars for the
Luigi Defense Fund. Okay, but now we're drawing the line
at Ed Martin for US attorney, he would have been
very effective. This is a this is a very disappointing
(18:02):
moment here for those.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
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Speaker 1 (19:00):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Calling out Senator Tillis, we're blocking Trump's former now that's
been withdrawn nominee for the US Attorney. He was interim
US Attorney in DC, and they wanted to get him
voted in on a permanent basis. And Tillis said, nope,
you're too nice to j six defendants to Ed Martin,
and so here here we are, I can see are
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like I said, all along a lot of North Carolina listeners,
and I'm not a surprise they are unhappy with what
the senator who's supposed to represent them has done. Here
we have Sean in Asheville, North Carolina, where my some
of my in laws live.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
What's going on, Sean.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
Hey Man, thank you for taking my call, just you know,
steal with Kevin from Helene here.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
How is it? How is it there now?
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Sorry to cut you off at how is it for
people in the Asheville area? How much supporter are you getting?
Is there enough help in the Trump era so far?
Speaker 8 (19:58):
I think it is better now than initially. I mean
the first couple of weeks was like you're chaos. No
one was doing anything. My local towel officials did absolutely nothing.
I mean we were without water like three weeks. They
had no distribution centers, they didn't come around with loud
(20:21):
speakers in the police cars. And I live in a
very small town just north of Asheville. None of that
was happening. But then things started to open up a
little bit better. It's been better since Trump has gotten in.
Actually have gotten some actual response from them after it
came to light that maybe if you had a Trump
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sound in your yard that they you know, they turn away.
But I mean, as I look out my front wind,
I have a pile of root balls. Because you can't
haul those off for like two thousand pounds apiece. I
can't pick them up and get them down of the roadway.
And well it's been you know. They keep saying, well,
(21:02):
we'll get back to you if we can help you
with that. And I'm you know, thirty thousand dollars into
grading equipment, trying to get these things out of here,
and still no help. So it's coming, but it's very slow.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Okay, Well, hopefully people are listening in the Trump team
and they are going to continue to give you guys resources.
But I wanted to know how things were going there.
Thank you for that feedback. Now you wanted to tell
us also about Tom Tillis, Yeah, you know, and.
Speaker 8 (21:33):
I've already called his office. I have been a long
time supporter of Tillis, but I can't understand the logic.
I mean, I'm not an attorney, but my understanding is
is that every person is innocent to proven guilty, and
they have the right to legal counsel, which this attorney
(21:54):
provided to them. I don't think it's the attorney's responsibility
and you guys can straighten out. I'm from Rome. I
don't think that attorney has to decide, Oh, I can
only represent a person that's going to fall on this
side or that side. Their job is to represent that
person to the best of their abilities within the legal
specifications and the parameters.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
So yes, we agree.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
He's I don't know what he knickers in a ward for,
but I'm certainly extremely disappointed. And I've already called his
office and let him know that, you know, no more
he must be. The only logic I can come to
is he's part of the swamp.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Yeah, thank you for the call. Is take a couple
more of these calls here in North Carolina. But you
and I, it just doesn't add up to me. And
this is why I would like him to come on
the show and explain there has to be something else
other than this that is truly motivating the decision.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Remember remember when Mitt Romney was marching with a mask
on outside outside behind you with his mask on, he
was like, I'm here because black lives matter. It's like, really, Mid, really,
this is what it's come to with you. You're part
of the BLM march with your mask on. Really yes,
you know, and it turned out we learned who mid
Rodney really was.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
So yeah, no, I mean, and maybe it's just that
Dave in Outer Banks, North Carolina, what's your take?
Speaker 9 (23:20):
Hey, great show, guys, Miss Rush, But you guys are
doing a great job. My take and Tillis, as I've
called his office. It took me two days to get
through and I spoke to spoke to his one of
those people going to get a response. But I want
to remind you guys that the North Carolina Republican Party
censored Tom Tillis in twenty twenty three for his banking
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of g LGBTQ plus rights, immigration and gun violence pallaces.
He was back in the red the red Flag law,
and he was against moving military funds, military construction funds
from matt to the building or of the border wall.
We have never been, Tilli, says my wife, and I
(24:05):
only voted for him because President Trump becked him and
said he had turned a corner. Well, I think he's
going to turn around and has gone back to his
little ways. He doesn't show up at our conventions, he
never comes to the eastern portion of North Carolina, and
we're through with him.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Do you think you might get primaried.
Speaker 9 (24:26):
We're looking for somebody.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I figured you might be. Well, you know, you're putting
the word out to a lot of people listening right now.
I'm sure there's some exceptional patriot out there in the
state of North Carolina who may want to give them
better representation in the Senate. Sharon in Raleigh, North Carolina,
you're up next.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Hi, Joy, listen to your show. And I just wanted
to voice the same sentiments that the gentleman just basically stated.
Mister Chillis sends out emails to his constituents and asked
about how he doing, how he wants to you know,
how we think he needs to proceed. And I feel
what most everybody's probably given him the indication that we
(25:08):
want him to support mister Trump. And as you stated earlier,
I think this is to do with the upcoming re
election issue, and I feel like he needs to reconsider
his position. And I'm hoping I called him up the message.
I've not heard back from him, and I've also told
him I think he needs to call your show. He
needs to voices why why he needs to stands this
(25:30):
way if as constituents we need to understand, but what
you stated, it makes no sense basically because anybody that
supported Trump is aware of the January sixth issue, and
like you said, it really just doesn't Uh, it's not
logical for his dease it.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
It feels like it feels a bit sharing to me,
like moral preening or some kind of just vain show
voting maneuver. I don't get it. I mean, and maybe
he thinks it'll do better for him in re election somehow,
but that's a political calculation that I can't square. I
don't see that. So to me, it just feels like
(26:07):
it just feels like really bad judgment. I think that's
the easiest way to put it. Thank you for calling in, Sharon.
We'll take one more here. Alan in eastern North Carolina.
What's going on?
Speaker 10 (26:17):
Yeah, I've always thought of Tom Tillis as a Rhino,
but I covered I used to work in the local
news here and I covered him when he was first
running for the Senate. At the time, it was held
by a Democrat his seat and so people were excited
about him.
Speaker 11 (26:33):
But he was a John McCain Republican. John McCain came
here and campaigned for him, and it just seems like
ever since he's been in there, he's been that opposition
with Trump on a lot of things, even though he's
changed his vote on dozens of things.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
It seems like, yeah, thank you, thank you. I just
don't get it.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
And again, open invite to Tom to to come on
and explain this guy. Ed Martin is already the acting
director of the office, so he's already doing the job.
It feels personal to me, and sometimes senators have personal
conflicts with individuals that otherwise would be confirmed. That's not
(27:19):
necessarily uncommon. But the rationale that he has provided so
far to me is not compelling as to why Ed
Martin shouldn't be able to get this job. And again,
this is a very important job when it comes to
who's in charge of justice in Washington, d C. He's
come in and tried to clean up the office. He's
(27:39):
fired a bunch of people that he thinks are two
left wing in their prosecutorial basis.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I think here's a good data point to add into this.
They made damn sure that every j sixter k stayed
in the DC US Attorney's docket because they didn't want to.
They didn't want him to get a fair trun Yes, right,
So what does that tell you They knew that it
was like the legal wood chipper for anybody who had
(28:06):
been been involved with Trump j six, any of that. Well,
clearly there's a problem there when the when the weaponized
Justice Department, or rather when the weaponization of justice is
so consolidated that they clearly would rather have everybody who
was I think there was not a single change of
venue Clay was there. I'm not aware of a single
change of venue out of the district of Columbia. It
(28:28):
was not almost because they knew, Yeah, they knew that.
It was just it was a an assembly line of
destroying and humiliating Trump voters who were at the Capitol
on January sixth. That was the whole point of what
the US Attorney's Office was doing. And all the people
who got fired deserved it.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
And by the way, I said, and I still would
echo this, they need to give everybody who gets charged
with federal crimes the opportunity to take those cases to
their actual location, that is your your particular domisi. You
shouldn't be able to prosecute someone in Washington, d C.
(29:05):
Without them being able to remove it federally to their
local jurisdiction, That to me, would be one way to
try to take away some of the power that Democrats
have embedded in the DC court system in general. But
in the meantime, here's a question for you, and maybe
some of you can find them. Did any nominee that
Joe Biden put forward not get confirmed by Democrats? Did
(29:29):
this happen anywhere to Joe Biden? Did any major office
in the Department of Justice that Joe Biden wanted an
appointment confirmed? Did any Democrat senator stand up and say no,
I won't allow this. Elections this is when Barack Obama
got right have consequences, and one of those consequences is
(29:49):
the president should get to pick the people that he
wants to represent him in important offices.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I'm also says I don't like this blue slip thing,
which I know un has said he's going to he's
going to, uh, you know, agree to. This is just
when the Senate Judiciary Committee has this practice of making
sure that the senators in the home state they get
a blue piece of paper to put their opinion of
(30:16):
the nominee on.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And so you you know, why do we do this?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Because I'm gonna tell you something the Democrats get through
their communist left wing legislate from the bench people under
the guise of remember Tom Tillis voted for Merrick Garland.
I know, like Merrick Garland is okay with me, aok Merrick.
But if this is the thing, we always get screwed
(30:43):
by this game of oh well, we have this idea
that there's gonna be a you know, we're gonna cool
things down with the blue slip process. We should be
we should be, you know, letting the freight train loose here.
We should not be slowing things down for these Democrats,
not now, not after what.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate everybody
hanging out with us. We've got a bunch of different
reactions obviously pouring in not a surprise to the Tom
Tillis decision and how it does not make a great
deal of decision. Here's Mike from North Carolina one oh
(32:44):
six point one FM talk radio. Uh here's his reaction
as well.
Speaker 12 (32:50):
Listen, hey Clayon Buck Mike here in North Carolina, and
I gotta say, I am super ashamed to hear Tom
Tillis take that position.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
And I think I speak.
Speaker 12 (33:03):
For a lot of like minded, level headed people here
in North Carolina that he will now be the Senator
for much longer. He's not going to win the next
the next selection, No way.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
We'll see these incumbents in red states.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Sorry, they somehow managed to hang on.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
The amount of money that's going to be spent against
him from Democrats is monumental because the board is not
that great for them. Again in twenty twenty six, and
now that we have opened up a three Senate lead
and have the tie break, that means Democrats would have
to flip four different seats, which frankly, I just I
don't think is possible in twenty twenty six. Now, Unfortunately,
(33:47):
if you look at the Senate map, there have been
individuals out there that had good chances to win Brian
Kemp and Georgia, for instance, the current governor who's been
very popular, decided not to run for the Senate. So
flipping Democrat seats, whether it's in Michigan, whether it's in Georgia,
whether it's in some of these places, Arizona where in
(34:09):
theory there may I believe be opportunities to flip seats.
May not be as easy as we had hoped. New
Hampshire another location there. I mean, the map is not
bad for Republicans, but the candidate quality is not elite
so far in terms of who's going to be able
to win those treasons.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
What always ends up happening is you say, how could
this state have such a bad incumbent Republican? They should
be able to get a great and then people say, oh,
he's better than the guy who tried to beat him,
or the gall tried to beat them last time. She
was even bigger rhino. Okay, well, how do we fix this?
I just think it's an easy answer.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
And look, if I were in the Senate and a
Republican president won election, I would unless it was something
totally outlandish in terms of a nominee, I would sign
off on all the presidents dominations and the guy is
already the acting US attorney. Some of you may be
better proceeds, certainly, some of you out there listening right
(35:09):
now are better procedurely than I am on this. Can
the president? How long can someone be an acting US attorney?
Speaker 1 (35:16):
A long time? Other a long time?
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Right?
Speaker 5 (35:18):
So, if it doesn't become official, what is the timeframe
under which this gentleman ed Martin would have to be removed?
And also are there any recess appointment opportunities if Trump
wanted to make him? I'm not sure again how this
works for US attorneys. Some of you out there are
(35:40):
procedural experts when it comes to issues like this. I
haven't seen it written or talked about, but I do
wonder if Tillis refuses to change his opinion on this,
what restrictions are in play here such that and options
that the president would have if he wants this individual
at Martin to be and remaining in the office.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Hees are already in Clay. You have us at the
top of the next hour.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
What incredible journey are you going to be leading us
on here into the world of news, analysis, commentary and
all things.
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Did you see Buck that Disney. I want to have
some fun with this.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Disney has decided to build a new theme park in
Abu Dobby, Okay, Middle East. Remember they were angry at
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis over the so called Don't Say
Gay Bill. They filed a lawsuit over at everything else.
Were you aware Buck that in Abu Dhabi, if you
are gay, you can be beheaded.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I was aware, Yes, I was aware.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Seems a little bit tougher than kindergarten. First second, third
graders can't get taught sexuality related issues. I think this
is a really interesting moment, and I'm curious if people
are going to hold a company like Disney accountable over
how their policies apply around the world versus in this country.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
We'll have some fun with that.
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