March 28, 2023 • 36 mins
Nashville cops, Rex Engelbert and Michael Collazo, give a textbook takedown of the Covenant trans shooter. This was clearly a trans domestic terrorist. This is who our police officers are, not the ones who failed to attack in Uvalde. Why isn’t every school defended by a badass that killers have to get through? Motive and the media’s coverage of the shooting. Biden's weird joking before talking about school shooting. Will Biden visit Nashville? Callers weigh in on Nashville police response.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in everybody to the Tuesday edition
of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. I'm a
lot to get to with you today. Obviously, we now
know the identity and a whole lot more information about
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the Nashville school shooter from yesterday. It was a transgender
individual pick the school out had a manifesto. The manifesto
has not been released at least I believe as we
speak to you right this moment, although it could come
out during the show, and if so, we will read
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through it quickly to see. But we have analysis on
what happened there, and also on the Nashville Metro Police
side of things, body camera footage is out that shows
from at least two officers perspective officers Rex Engelbert and
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Michael Colozzo, how they engage the target and they moved
to it right away. Heroic actions by Nashville police that
almost certainly saved lives in the process and did stop
the threat and did bring this horrific mass shooting in
Nashville to a conclusion. We've also got the discussion already
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underway about how to deal with this. On the political side,
Joe Biden calling for an assault rifle ban. We heard
that yesterday right at the end of our program. The
primary focus of all the Democrat aligned media is on guns,
of course, very little discussion about the mental health issues,
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the obvious mental health issues that were involved here in
this mass casualty domestic terror attack. And I want to
explain why this is a domestic terror attack by all
of the definitions and our expectations about how we discuss
these things and how we how we analyze them, and
then we'll get into some politics. We've got some other
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stories want to bring to your attention. Really interesting to see, Clay,
the Biden administration trying to pose already from Biden's Twitter
account and in other places, tough on crime and trying
to secure the border and actually calling out Republicans for
being weak on those issues. If you want to see
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how much of an inversion of reality they're willing to
engage in when it comes to the twenty twenty four
election and how they're going to get people to vote
from all right, Clay, let's we went off airy yesterday
and a lot more information came out about the shooter
I want to get to that second because first the
breaking news and it just came out in the last
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hour and a half or so, is that Nashville Metro
Police on a number of levels, I think here is
showing you textbook execution of the you know, what you
should do in a mass shot incident like this, and
also textbook transparency, which is really important getting information out
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right away, updating it right away. You could really tell
in that press conference yesterday, even when the Chief of
police came out that they were just telling everybody what
they had and as they had new information, they told
them new information. This is really in many ways it
seems like the opposite of the uval day police response,
which was very confused withholding and then we know in
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the end cowardly is what happened there. This is the
opposite of that. These officers were heroes. And we'll actually
play some of the body camera footage and assess what
happened here in a second, Yeah, no doubt, And I
would encourage everybody out there listening to us right now
to seek out the body camera footage. We're going to
play you some audio, but I think you need to
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see it. And frankly, I think you need to share
it with people, maybe in your own lives, who've been
critical of police, because we all know that every time
a police officer makes a mistake, the video goes viral
of that body camera mistake of that incident. This is
a what appears to me to be a clinical response
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by the Nashville Police Department from there's a six minute
video buck of the police officer pulling up, getting out,
opening up the trunk of his car, unloading his rifle,
being informed by a employee of the school, Hey, here's
where we think the shooter is. The kids are locked down,
here's what you need to know. And then to be
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able to follow both of the hero cops who eventually
brought down this killer, to be able to follow them
in real time and see as they are searching the
school and attempting to find their way towards the shots
to protect those kids. It's everything we didn't see an
uve all day, and I think every single police department
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in the country in the same way that they may
have looked at you've all day and said we can
never do this again. They failed on so many different levels.
They need to be using this Nashville footage as tape
of how to handle a school shooting. Fuck, from the
moment they entered that school to the moment they took
down that shooter was a little bit over three minutes.
From the moment that one of the police officers who
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took down the shooter literally pulled up in his car
to taking down that shooter was six minutes. For everybody
out there who wants to micromanage, attack and try to
defund the police, this is a clip that needs to
be spread widely. It is violent, it is graphic to
some extent, but I think it's important for people to
experience what the real life moments to moment life of
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a cop is like. And I think when you watch
that footage, actually here, let's play we have the end
of it, the moment where these officers you have to
have to remember they're going in. They don't know who
this person is in terms of the level of training
and proficiency. They don't know if this person has set
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up an ambush for them. They don't know what the
firing angles are they're walking into. They don't know if
this person has incendiary or explosive devices. I mean, they're
just going into a school shooting. They have very little
information that every room that they walk into. I mean,
for a lot of our folks listening who are former military,
you know, they know it was like clearing rooms in Iraq,
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clearing rooms in Afghanistan. Going into these compounds in Afghanistan,
every room you walk into you could take an AK
forty seven round. Well, in this case, every room they
walked into, these officers they could have been they could
have been mowed down by a barricaded shooter. So the
fact that it came off the way that it did,
they did this with precision, professionalism, and courage. And here
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is how the final moment, the confrontation with that shooter sounded.
Play it. What's stop? Movid stop movid, what's up? What's up?
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Suspect down, suspect down. I want to say, Clay, we
have body camera footage from officers Rex Engelbert and Michael Colozzo,
who both took shots to take down the shooter. In
that footage, there were other officers present there as well.
If we know their names, will read them on air
as well. I haven't. I haven't seen the other officers
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named yet. Um, we should pull them up because they
took the same risks they were in effectively, they didn't
really move in a stack, but they were moving in
the same cover formation. And all those officers showed us
exactly what cops are supposed to do, what we praise
them for doing, and what the expectations of the American
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people for their law enforcement are. And I think for
a lot of people this was you know, this was
a lot of people in the law enforce and community,
and I can speak for them to degree that they've
told me this. You know, they were all furious after
you've all day. Every law enforcement officer in the country
can watch what happened here in Nashville in terms of
this response and say that's who we are and that's
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how we save lives. I think they did better than
social workers would have buck for everybody out there who
tried to make this ridiculous argument to defund the police
and that in moments of violence, what we really needed
to do was bring in social workers to talk to
people who are contemplating issues of violence. These guys are badasses,
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and I can't impress upon you enough how much I
would encourage you to go watch the video. You can
hear the audio, the alarm going off in the background.
The default to training buck in a situation like this,
it is as as a way person. It is a
flawlessly executed It appears to me six minute video that
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almost feels like it could be a training exercise because
they were so perfect in the way that they performed.
When you watch it and they're going room to room,
they're communicating, you know, you've got to remember these officers,
I mean, their hearts are beating out of their chests,
which affects their particularly fine motor skills. But you know everything,
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you could hear that noise, you could hear the situation
they're going into. It's chaotic there. They blur them in
the video. There are bodies that you see some of
the at least one or two of the individuals who
are killed, civilians who were killed in this um. So
they're seeing dead bodies. They know they've got an active shooter.
It's very loud. They have no idea where the shooter is.
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They've got no intel on that at all. And like
I said, every room they walk into they could be
walking into, you know, they could be walking into rifle
fire or a close distance which even with play vests on,
I mean, you know you're you're very likely not going
to be able to make it through that. And they
did it. You could tell there was no hesitation, There
was no Oh, I don't know, Maybe we should wait
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for even more back up, Maybe we need an armored
vehicle to come in here for us, or I mean,
it was just we're going there are kids at risk,
there are adults at risk. We are taking action right
now to save lives. And you know it today, they
did it very well and under the circumstances when you
think back to what they were walking into, took takes
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tremendous bravery. Any one of those officers could have been
killed in that situation that circumstance. Honestly, all of them
could have been and they moved like they were doing
it to save other people's lives. They all want to
go home to their families at the end of the night.
You know, people gotta remember that that's going to enter
into their heads too. They walk into that building, it's
I've got a wife and three kids at home, or
I've got a you know, a wife and a child
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on the way, or whatever it may be. And they
know every room they walk into could be their last,
and they moved without hesitation. I just want any critic
of the police to watch this video and and I
would encourage and look, we've been critical on this show.
I mean many of you who are very critical of
you all day. I said it was cowardly, and by
the way, that was true. It was the response and
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you've all day was cowardice, and we said it. And
sometimes that upsets people when you when you say something
like that, but you've got to be honest. And what
I would say is, if you are someone out there
who is a critic of the police and you will
share every single negative video involving a police officer, I
would encourage you to go watch that video, the six
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minute version of that video in particular where you'd literally
see the officer pull up, and think about the circumstances
that those guys are in Buck because as you watch them,
have to go into these different classrooms in an active
shooter situation, and they don't know where the shooter is,
and they're trying to clear the rooms as they are
working their way up, they're trying to find their way
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the stairwells. They've never been building before, they have no
real idea where they're headed, and there's shots being fired,
and there's kids being killed, there's innocent teachers being killed,
and they got there. From the moment that they enter
that school until the shooter is down is a little
over three minutes. From the moment they pull up in
their police cruiser to the moment that shooter is down
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is six minutes. It's almost impossible to do better now
we come back. I do think it's worth having a
discussion not only about who the shooter was, in their background,
everything else. Same conversation we had after Uvalde Buck. I've
got three kids that were in Nashville schools, three different ones,
all of them have armed security guards in them. Why
can't we give a hundred billion dollars to Ukraine and
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we can't protect every kid in a school in America.
I think that's a pretty conversation. The reporting is still
out there that the shooter chose this school instead of
another school because of the higher security at the other school.
Now I know that the shooter went to this school
as a student, but there was another school. I don't
believe they've named with who what the other school is.
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I would assume that school probably had a resource officer.
I think every person in America, who would ever consider
going to a school needs to understand there's going to
be an armed person there that they're going to have
to get through, because I think that could change in
many ways the decision making there. We'll talk about that
and more as we continue to break it down. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us, and thanks to
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all the brave men and women of the Nashville Police Department.
And thanks to that police department for getting out that
footage with which I think is going to go a
long way towards combating anti cop sentiment in this country.
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Always Gonna Get the Day right. I'm up in Washington, DC,
by the way, I appreciate the Heritage Foundation hosting me here.
I'm speaking at an event tonight in dcb Back in
Nashville tomorrow, But Buck, I drop off my kid at
elementary school pretty much every day, and when I do that,
there is a school resource officer that is an armed
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where I live. Williamson County Deputy who is assigned to
the school that my kid goes to. I have a
middle school kid in Nashville. There's also an armed officer
there as well, and there are armed security at my
high schools school as well. One of the lessons that
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I think we have to keep hammering home here and
I don't see this as remotely partisan. Every single school
in America needs an armed security guard, every single one.
And that is important because when you have these lunatic
lounds like this crazy transgender murderer, she needs to or
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he needs to or whoever. The people out there are
thinking about doing this need to think before I can
get to those kids who are innocent and unprotected, I'm
going to have to go through a badass to get there,
and that person will probably wipe me out and buck.
There's got to be a lot of people out there,
even if it's not people who want to be police officers,
(16:33):
that are retired military, that are in their late thirties
early forties, that want to have a job like this.
I think it's important because again, the kids in my
school learn to interact with police, they learn that they
are there to help them, that they are trustworthy. I
think it's an important lesson for every kid to learn.
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But I don't understand why it isn't uniform everywhere. Every
kid should have an arm security force inside of their school.
I mean think of this honestly from a from a
budgetary perspective, how many how many schools have And I'm
not trying to make this a yeah, a d EI
discussion or a CRT discussion. Understand though, but we're wasting
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a lot of administrator education. Yeah, you know, additional administrators.
And people wonder what is the the the growth and
administrator positions at schools across the nation is like seven
times the growth of actual teachers. Yes, um, so if
we got a lot of if we have all this
money for administrators, I do think, you know, security procedures,
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it makes it makes sense. I don't see, you know.
I wonder why you know the Democrats are so some
of them. I will say, this is where you can
get some. You can get some somewhat bipartisan. But to me,
this is an easy, non political related fix that should
occur everywhere to make this less likely. We're gonna come
back though, talk about motive and the media's coverage of
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aftermath of the horrific shooting and of course our thoughts
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and prayers go out to the national community and specifically
the families of those who lost their loved ones in
this evil act of mass murder. We've also been to
bring you the most up to date information and everything
that is known at this point about this shooter, because
if we're going to prevent things, we have to understand
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these evil incidents and understand not only the security. Clay
was just talking about armed guards, arm guards in schools
and even just having one armed guard, even just the
prospect that a school shooter knows there may very well
be there probably is somewhere on the premises in armed guard.
It could affect the calculation and make sure that schools
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are less soft targets than they currently are. I think
that's a completely realistic and sensible approach, and that's meant
to save lives. It's not about politics, it's not about
who's going to win the next election. Saving lives is
the only impetus for putting more armed resource officers in
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schools across the country, and that so that's one component
of this as well. The response, and we played it
for you um earlier. We probably will come back to
in the third hour of the program. Response from Nashville
Police officers, and if we find the other names team
let me know. But officers Rex Engelbert and Michael Colozzo,
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their body camera footage already released. Textbook. I've had, I've
had former former police reaching out you. By the way,
if you want to weigh in and you are former
SQUAT or involved in police on the or military on
the on the tactical room clearing side, and you saw
that video, you want to add your analysis to it,
please do call in. Eight hundred two eight two two
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eight eight two. I know we have SQUAT commanders who
listened to this long time SWAT. We have Green Berets,
we got everybody, Delta Seals, they all listen to this show.
But I've already Clay had people who are special operations
and people who are the equivalent of special operations within
the law enforcement community, you know SWAT. It's called EESU
and the MYPD Emergency Services Unit. They've said, very well
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done by these officers. Obviously the outcome stopping the threat
first and foremost, but even just moving through the rooms
the way they did. This will be taught. This will
be video footage that law enforcement officers in training for
situations like this will likely be seeing Okay, there's also
the motive component of this. We don't have the manifesto yet,
we know there is a manifesto. We know the shooter
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is a biological female or a female who was living
life as a man insofar as demanding him pronouns and
changed the name, changed the individual's name. Interesting to see
that news media was generally referring to this person as
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a she and then USA today, I'm sure some of
you saw this started to get into oh, we didn't
mean to miss gender the mass murderer who is also
and I want to be clear if any you know,
it's amazing Clay people. You know when I tweeted this
out yesterday, sure this is a This is a trans
domestic terrorist. That is, this is a person who is transgender,
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who is almost certainly at this point acting out in
part tied to the belief that either it's the Christian
School or the state of Tennessee with the ban on surgeries.
There is clearly an ideological component of transgenderism that was
at work here. It is a trans domestic terrorist, and
it's amazing to see all these people coming out Clay
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and they attack me either personally or my analysis. Who
are you to say such a thing? And I sit
here and say I don't know. Five years in the
CIA counter Terrorism Center, briefing the President twice about Kennter
terrorism operations overseas, and working for the NYPD in Tellence
Division on terror, like I think I know what a
terrorist is. And if you look at Dylan Roof and
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you look at some of the other mass shooting events,
the media immediately starts talking about domestic terrorism. By the way,
I don't disagree with that assessment, but here you wouldn't
even know that there could be an ideological component of
what happened if you read most of the headlines and
saw most of the coverage, that's right, And Buck, I
mean to take people behind the scenes. What did I
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say off air? Almost as soon as some of these
details started coming out, I said that based on the
elementary school being targeted, based on this being a woman,
it seemed, and being armed with three different guns, something
wasn't adding up here, right, This wasn't some sort of
domestic dispute. I found it unlikely that it was going
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to be somebody's mom who suddenly flipped out and went
in with three different guns to try to murder kids,
I said almost immediately off the air, because I didn't
want to speculate on the air that given what the
trans gender temperature has been in the state of Tennessee
over this so called gender affirming care being banned and
also the ridiculous shows, right, these drag shows being banned
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for young children, that there was a high temperature, particularly
in Nashville, over this, and it didn't surprise me that
it tipped out. Now here's the truth, Okay, we should
be if we had an honest media and an impartial media,
people would be asking the question, was this girl on
transgender medications? Right? This killer testosterone hormones, etc. Is there
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any study about what that can do to your behavior
and the choices that you make. Individuals are responsible for
the choices they make, as we all know. But whenever
one of these situations arises, we have an immediate analysis. Right.
If this were a white guy who had voted for
Donald Trump that had done this shooting in Nashville, this
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would be domestic terrorism. Merrett Garland would have already have
you guys all know this. Merrett Garland would have already
had a press conference. He probably would have flown to
Nashville already and say white men Trump supporters, this extension
of January sixth, domestic terrorism is the biggest threat. Is
Joe Biden going to get on a plane and come
to Nashville? So far he hasn't. I believe we have
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the audio, in fact, Buck, of Joe Biden. Yesterday we
played this live on the air because we were so
confused that it was going on. Joe Biden before he
came out and actually addressed the kids that had been
murdered in Nashville, actually talked about how much he likes
ice cream. Listen to cut fourteen. This is what was
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going on when Joe Biden came down and started addressing
the White House and the crowd. This aired live on
Fox News. Listen, my name is Joe Biden. I'm doctor
Joe Biden's husband's ice cream chocolate Chip. I came down
because here there was chocolate tip ice cream. By the way,
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I have a whole refrigerator fall upstairs. I think I'm kidding.
I'm not okay, super weird, Buck, I mean, look, you
and I this news was breaking yesterday. Treat our audience
with respect. Hey, here are the details. Here's what we know,
here's where we think this story is going. Here's what
you all need to know. We didn't come on and say, hey,
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let's make a joke about how much we like ice
cream and then try to pivot in fact, Buck, as
you well know, yesterday off air, we had conversations. It's
hard to talk about anything else because this is such
an emotional in the moment event that has just occurred.
The president can't come down and address what's going on
in a sober and serious way. He comes down and
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starts making jokes about ice cream, and it's it's very strange.
Can I can I point out, you know yesterday I
said right as this happened, and they said that it
was remember originally into to the law enforcements credit here
this needs to be There are a couple of standard
setting aspects of what happened in the law enforcement response
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in Nashville yesterday. Obviously, most importantly, they stop the threat.
The officers on the scene ran in to the I
mean to the sound of the gunfire, or to the
degree they could looking anywhere they could for whoever they
could stop the threat. But also the flow of information
to the public. This is important. People need to know
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when the information. There's no reason for law enforcement to
hold back on this stuff generally unless they're trying to
do a secondary arrest they think there's a co conspirator.
Anything else, there's no reason to delay. And what you
generally see in a lot of departments, and you know,
obviously the mayor or the governor's getting involved that this
kind of an incident is the delay of facts being
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released in certain cases, and the delay of facts depending
on what the narrative may be. And you start to
hear this, we may never know the mode if the
only time they say we may never know the motive
of a terrorist attack, which is what this was, or
any mass casualty incident is when the perpetrator and the
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ideology involved is something that the Democrat left does not
want to hear about. Yesterday, when they told us that
there was a teenage it was a teenage girl who
did the shooting, they updated said a woman. What did
we say right away? Very rare, very rare for there
to be a female mass shooter. Not unprecedented, but there
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are I think less you can count them on one
hand for the last thirty or forty years. And then
though the conversation becomes later on we found out this
was a transgender individual. Well, that recently is less rare.
You know, when you look at, for example, the Colorado
Springs shooting in twenty twenty two. Does anyone even remember
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this at this point? Think about how really go by
your memory and what the media focus is on. Do
you remember that there were five people who were murdered
in an LGP LGBTQ nightclub in Colorado Springs. You may
vaguely remember this, even though it's a horrific mass shooting event,
and Clay it was the individual involved was trans, and
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they claimed that he was not actually trans in the
media and then made the story go away because it
didn't fit the narrative. What we saw in Nashville was
we'll see you in full, you know fully in the
manifesto it was clearly a domestic terrorist act. It was ideological.
You could argue it was a hate crime as well.
Those things are not mutually exclusive. But the media is
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not talking about it like that at all. The media
is trying to make this story much of the media
should say the democratic line. Media maken go way quickly.
In fact, when we come back, we'll play you a
clip from CNN of a person saying, I don't even
know why we need to talk about it being a
trans killer. That's not the real story. Here the guns are.
We'll play that for you and we come back. I
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there eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two.
If you're in law enforcement, if you have been involved
in squat training, based on the videos that you have
seen of the Nashville Police Department's response to this school shooter,
what was your reaction. We've got several different people who
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want a way in. Beginning with George in Missouri. George
what did you think of the video? What do you
think of the Nashville Police Department or spy. I think
the Nashfield Police Department did a great job. Hey, thanks
for taking my call. Um. The only problem is they're
a little slow because they're fourteen minutes away. That's what
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I thought yesterday. That's what I said. I thought that
the two with the neutralization of the threat. So what
would you say as a former special forces guy, do
you like the idea of having armed security in every school?
Does that make sense to you? Yeah? I briefed the
Lieutenant Governor in North Carolina, Dan Forrest, a few years
ago when he was still the lieutenant governor, on a
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plan to secure all the school and my number one
priority was armed any of the faculty that wished to
be trained and armed, which wouldn't cost that much money.
And then put signage up around in school saying, hey,
our our faculty is armed. That would stop probably ninety
percent of people coming in to shoot up that school.
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And then yeah, I understand, but sorry to cut you off,
I understand that idea. I think some people will say, well,
if you put more guns in, I'm just playing devil's
advocate here. If you don't have people who are well
trained with guns and they're around kids, like, could there
be more incidents that arise of shootings? But a trained
security guard to me is a no brainer. Buck. I
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understand people like, if you're a former marine and you
want to have a gun, I'm fine with it. But
I don't know necessarily that I want your average teacher
to see a couple of things. One is that there's
a and John Lott with more guns less crime. And
also his analysis on this is the foremost individual on
the data. What does the data actually tell us? And
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conceal carry permits, for example, bring down violent crime wherever
they adopt conceal carry permits, And they wonder, why is
that you would think there's more guns on the streets,
why would there be fewer violent crimes? Because it's not.
And this is like, so I will say, I mean
a member of my family is conceal carries all the time,
all the time, Okay, obviously legally down here in Florida
conceal carries. And he always says he doesn't just conceal
(33:59):
carry for him, he can carries for everybody around him
and also for anybody out there who is thinking about
doing bad things. They got to know that there are
good guys out there. They have to take that calculation
of mind. So let's say you have ten schools. Not
every school is gonna want to have an armed resource officer.
Fun it should be a choice. I don't think it
should necessarily be a mandate for the school, though some
people may disagree with that. But if five of the
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schools have resource officers and two of the schools have
somebody who is a concealed carry permit holder on the premises,
the bad guys, you know, they have to assume they
don't know who that is, right, So the concealed carry
component of this added to the resource officer component, can
create different calculations for somebody who would try to use
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this as a soft target, effectively clay. It's like if
the guy if someone doesn't know if you have a gun,
arrive a gun, but one of us has a gun,
Robbing either of us is a bad idea. Yeah, by
the way, I don't even think it'should be a school choice.
I think like states should individually mandate we're going to
have armed secure in every school, and my kids have it.
I want every kid to have it in my state.
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I wanted something something that I think is interesting. Concealed
carry permit holders are by the numbers, not just more
law abiding than every day folks, they are more law
abiding by per capita than law enforcement. Think about that
for a sec That's a great stat Charlie in Minnesota, Charlie,
what do you think? I think, thank you for taking
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my call. And I think Nashville PD did exactly what
they've been trained on a long time and now retired
firefighter and have participated in a lot of training with
our law enforcement brothers and sisters on this and when
we and there's really two programs that we train and
have trained on. They're called Alert and three Echo, and
both of those programs teach the officers to move and
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engage the shooter as quickly as possible. And you saw
that with their switch when they were doing their room
clearing searcher jokes, who were fantastic, and then they switched
to go to the gunshots and that's what that's tin
they're trained to do, and they did a fantastic job.
And also you saw them put the officer in the
front with the LPVO. You heard him call that out
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on the on the body cam and and made sure
their precision marksman was in the lead and on point
un interdicting the shooters. So it was it was a
really it was a really good response from those officers,
and um, you know, you could see it for yourself,
so anyone, anywhere, everyone can know exactly what they went through.
I mean doing a a you know, bounding overwatch thrill
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uh in the past. I'm sure these officers had trained
up on this. It was good. It was the way
way officers need to do it. Anyway, Um, we want
to talk motive a little bit, the politics of this,
Biden calling for an assault rifle band, and then um,
we've also got Trump had a sit down with our
friend Sean Hannity last night. We'll discuss that coming up.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in everybody to the Tuesday edition
of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. I'm a
lot to get to with you today. Obviously, we now
know the identity and a whole lot more information about
(00:20):
the Nashville school shooter from yesterday. It was a transgender
individual pick the school out had a manifesto. The manifesto
has not been released at least I believe as we
speak to you right this moment, although it could come
out during the show, and if so, we will read
(00:41):
through it quickly to see. But we have analysis on
what happened there, and also on the Nashville Metro Police
side of things, body camera footage is out that shows
from at least two officers perspective officers Rex Engelbert and
(01:02):
Michael Colozzo, how they engage the target and they moved
to it right away. Heroic actions by Nashville police that
almost certainly saved lives in the process and did stop
the threat and did bring this horrific mass shooting in
Nashville to a conclusion. We've also got the discussion already
(01:27):
underway about how to deal with this. On the political side,
Joe Biden calling for an assault rifle ban. We heard
that yesterday right at the end of our program. The
primary focus of all the Democrat aligned media is on guns,
of course, very little discussion about the mental health issues,
(01:49):
the obvious mental health issues that were involved here in
this mass casualty domestic terror attack. And I want to
explain why this is a domestic terror attack by all
of the definitions and our expectations about how we discuss
these things and how we how we analyze them, and
then we'll get into some politics. We've got some other
(02:10):
stories want to bring to your attention. Really interesting to see, Clay,
the Biden administration trying to pose already from Biden's Twitter
account and in other places, tough on crime and trying
to secure the border and actually calling out Republicans for
being weak on those issues. If you want to see
(02:33):
how much of an inversion of reality they're willing to
engage in when it comes to the twenty twenty four
election and how they're going to get people to vote
from all right, Clay, let's we went off airy yesterday
and a lot more information came out about the shooter
I want to get to that second because first the
breaking news and it just came out in the last
(02:54):
hour and a half or so, is that Nashville Metro
Police on a number of levels, I think here is
showing you textbook execution of the you know, what you
should do in a mass shot incident like this, and
also textbook transparency, which is really important getting information out
(03:17):
right away, updating it right away. You could really tell
in that press conference yesterday, even when the Chief of
police came out that they were just telling everybody what
they had and as they had new information, they told
them new information. This is really in many ways it
seems like the opposite of the uval day police response,
which was very confused withholding and then we know in
(03:40):
the end cowardly is what happened there. This is the
opposite of that. These officers were heroes. And we'll actually
play some of the body camera footage and assess what
happened here in a second, Yeah, no doubt, And I
would encourage everybody out there listening to us right now
to seek out the body camera footage. We're going to
play you some audio, but I think you need to
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see it. And frankly, I think you need to share
it with people, maybe in your own lives, who've been
critical of police, because we all know that every time
a police officer makes a mistake, the video goes viral
of that body camera mistake of that incident. This is
a what appears to me to be a clinical response
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by the Nashville Police Department from there's a six minute
video buck of the police officer pulling up, getting out,
opening up the trunk of his car, unloading his rifle,
being informed by a employee of the school, Hey, here's
where we think the shooter is. The kids are locked down,
here's what you need to know. And then to be
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able to follow both of the hero cops who eventually
brought down this killer, to be able to follow them
in real time and see as they are searching the
school and attempting to find their way towards the shots
to protect those kids. It's everything we didn't see an
uve all day, and I think every single police department
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in the country in the same way that they may
have looked at you've all day and said we can
never do this again. They failed on so many different levels.
They need to be using this Nashville footage as tape
of how to handle a school shooting. Fuck, from the
moment they entered that school to the moment they took
down that shooter was a little bit over three minutes.
From the moment that one of the police officers who
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took down the shooter literally pulled up in his car
to taking down that shooter was six minutes. For everybody
out there who wants to micromanage, attack and try to
defund the police, this is a clip that needs to
be spread widely. It is violent, it is graphic to
some extent, but I think it's important for people to
experience what the real life moments to moment life of
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a cop is like. And I think when you watch
that footage, actually here, let's play we have the end
of it, the moment where these officers you have to
have to remember they're going in. They don't know who
this person is in terms of the level of training
and proficiency. They don't know if this person has set
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up an ambush for them. They don't know what the
firing angles are they're walking into. They don't know if
this person has incendiary or explosive devices. I mean, they're
just going into a school shooting. They have very little
information that every room that they walk into. I mean,
for a lot of our folks listening who are former military,
you know, they know it was like clearing rooms in Iraq,
(06:32):
clearing rooms in Afghanistan. Going into these compounds in Afghanistan,
every room you walk into you could take an AK
forty seven round. Well, in this case, every room they
walked into, these officers they could have been they could
have been mowed down by a barricaded shooter. So the
fact that it came off the way that it did,
they did this with precision, professionalism, and courage. And here
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is how the final moment, the confrontation with that shooter sounded.
Play it. What's stop? Movid stop movid, what's up? What's up?
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Suspect down, suspect down. I want to say, Clay, we
have body camera footage from officers Rex Engelbert and Michael Colozzo,
who both took shots to take down the shooter. In
that footage, there were other officers present there as well.
If we know their names, will read them on air
as well. I haven't. I haven't seen the other officers
(07:58):
named yet. Um, we should pull them up because they
took the same risks they were in effectively, they didn't
really move in a stack, but they were moving in
the same cover formation. And all those officers showed us
exactly what cops are supposed to do, what we praise
them for doing, and what the expectations of the American
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people for their law enforcement are. And I think for
a lot of people this was you know, this was
a lot of people in the law enforce and community,
and I can speak for them to degree that they've
told me this. You know, they were all furious after
you've all day. Every law enforcement officer in the country
can watch what happened here in Nashville in terms of
this response and say that's who we are and that's
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how we save lives. I think they did better than
social workers would have buck for everybody out there who
tried to make this ridiculous argument to defund the police
and that in moments of violence, what we really needed
to do was bring in social workers to talk to
people who are contemplating issues of violence. These guys are badasses,
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and I can't impress upon you enough how much I
would encourage you to go watch the video. You can
hear the audio, the alarm going off in the background.
The default to training buck in a situation like this,
it is as as a way person. It is a
flawlessly executed It appears to me six minute video that
(09:26):
almost feels like it could be a training exercise because
they were so perfect in the way that they performed.
When you watch it and they're going room to room,
they're communicating, you know, you've got to remember these officers,
I mean, their hearts are beating out of their chests,
which affects their particularly fine motor skills. But you know everything,
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you could hear that noise, you could hear the situation
they're going into. It's chaotic there. They blur them in
the video. There are bodies that you see some of
the at least one or two of the individuals who
are killed, civilians who were killed in this um. So
they're seeing dead bodies. They know they've got an active shooter.
It's very loud. They have no idea where the shooter is.
(10:08):
They've got no intel on that at all. And like
I said, every room they walk into they could be
walking into, you know, they could be walking into rifle
fire or a close distance which even with play vests on,
I mean, you know you're you're very likely not going
to be able to make it through that. And they
did it. You could tell there was no hesitation, There
was no Oh, I don't know, Maybe we should wait
(10:29):
for even more back up, Maybe we need an armored
vehicle to come in here for us, or I mean,
it was just we're going there are kids at risk,
there are adults at risk. We are taking action right
now to save lives. And you know it today, they
did it very well and under the circumstances when you
think back to what they were walking into, took takes
(10:50):
tremendous bravery. Any one of those officers could have been
killed in that situation that circumstance. Honestly, all of them
could have been and they moved like they were doing
it to save other people's lives. They all want to
go home to their families at the end of the night.
You know, people gotta remember that that's going to enter
into their heads too. They walk into that building, it's
I've got a wife and three kids at home, or
I've got a you know, a wife and a child
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on the way, or whatever it may be. And they
know every room they walk into could be their last,
and they moved without hesitation. I just want any critic
of the police to watch this video and and I
would encourage and look, we've been critical on this show.
I mean many of you who are very critical of
you all day. I said it was cowardly, and by
the way, that was true. It was the response and
(11:32):
you've all day was cowardice, and we said it. And
sometimes that upsets people when you when you say something
like that, but you've got to be honest. And what
I would say is, if you are someone out there
who is a critic of the police and you will
share every single negative video involving a police officer, I
would encourage you to go watch that video, the six
(11:55):
minute version of that video in particular where you'd literally
see the officer pull up, and think about the circumstances
that those guys are in Buck because as you watch them,
have to go into these different classrooms in an active
shooter situation, and they don't know where the shooter is,
and they're trying to clear the rooms as they are
working their way up, they're trying to find their way
(12:16):
the stairwells. They've never been building before, they have no
real idea where they're headed, and there's shots being fired,
and there's kids being killed, there's innocent teachers being killed,
and they got there. From the moment that they enter
that school until the shooter is down is a little
over three minutes. From the moment they pull up in
their police cruiser to the moment that shooter is down
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is six minutes. It's almost impossible to do better now
we come back. I do think it's worth having a
discussion not only about who the shooter was, in their background,
everything else. Same conversation we had after Uvalde Buck. I've
got three kids that were in Nashville schools, three different ones,
all of them have armed security guards in them. Why
can't we give a hundred billion dollars to Ukraine and
(13:00):
we can't protect every kid in a school in America.
I think that's a pretty conversation. The reporting is still
out there that the shooter chose this school instead of
another school because of the higher security at the other school.
Now I know that the shooter went to this school
as a student, but there was another school. I don't
believe they've named with who what the other school is.
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I would assume that school probably had a resource officer.
I think every person in America, who would ever consider
going to a school needs to understand there's going to
be an armed person there that they're going to have
to get through, because I think that could change in
many ways the decision making there. We'll talk about that
and more as we continue to break it down. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us, and thanks to
(13:42):
all the brave men and women of the Nashville Police Department.
And thanks to that police department for getting out that
footage with which I think is going to go a
long way towards combating anti cop sentiment in this country.
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Always Gonna Get the Day right. I'm up in Washington, DC,
by the way, I appreciate the Heritage Foundation hosting me here.
I'm speaking at an event tonight in dcb Back in
Nashville tomorrow, But Buck, I drop off my kid at
elementary school pretty much every day, and when I do that,
there is a school resource officer that is an armed
(15:29):
where I live. Williamson County Deputy who is assigned to
the school that my kid goes to. I have a
middle school kid in Nashville. There's also an armed officer
there as well, and there are armed security at my
high schools school as well. One of the lessons that
(15:50):
I think we have to keep hammering home here and
I don't see this as remotely partisan. Every single school
in America needs an armed security guard, every single one.
And that is important because when you have these lunatic
lounds like this crazy transgender murderer, she needs to or
(16:11):
he needs to or whoever. The people out there are
thinking about doing this need to think before I can
get to those kids who are innocent and unprotected, I'm
going to have to go through a badass to get there,
and that person will probably wipe me out and buck.
There's got to be a lot of people out there,
even if it's not people who want to be police officers,
(16:33):
that are retired military, that are in their late thirties
early forties, that want to have a job like this.
I think it's important because again, the kids in my
school learn to interact with police, they learn that they
are there to help them, that they are trustworthy. I
think it's an important lesson for every kid to learn.
(16:55):
But I don't understand why it isn't uniform everywhere. Every
kid should have an arm security force inside of their school.
I mean think of this honestly from a from a
budgetary perspective, how many how many schools have And I'm
not trying to make this a yeah, a d EI
discussion or a CRT discussion. Understand though, but we're wasting
(17:16):
a lot of administrator education. Yeah, you know, additional administrators.
And people wonder what is the the the growth and
administrator positions at schools across the nation is like seven
times the growth of actual teachers. Yes, um, so if
we got a lot of if we have all this
money for administrators, I do think, you know, security procedures,
(17:37):
it makes it makes sense. I don't see, you know.
I wonder why you know the Democrats are so some
of them. I will say, this is where you can
get some. You can get some somewhat bipartisan. But to me,
this is an easy, non political related fix that should
occur everywhere to make this less likely. We're gonna come
back though, talk about motive and the media's coverage of
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aftermath of the horrific shooting and of course our thoughts
(19:05):
and prayers go out to the national community and specifically
the families of those who lost their loved ones in
this evil act of mass murder. We've also been to
bring you the most up to date information and everything
that is known at this point about this shooter, because
if we're going to prevent things, we have to understand
(19:28):
these evil incidents and understand not only the security. Clay
was just talking about armed guards, arm guards in schools
and even just having one armed guard, even just the
prospect that a school shooter knows there may very well
be there probably is somewhere on the premises in armed guard.
It could affect the calculation and make sure that schools
(19:52):
are less soft targets than they currently are. I think
that's a completely realistic and sensible approach, and that's meant
to save lives. It's not about politics, it's not about
who's going to win the next election. Saving lives is
the only impetus for putting more armed resource officers in
(20:12):
schools across the country, and that so that's one component
of this as well. The response, and we played it
for you um earlier. We probably will come back to
in the third hour of the program. Response from Nashville
Police officers, and if we find the other names team
let me know. But officers Rex Engelbert and Michael Colozzo,
(20:33):
their body camera footage already released. Textbook. I've had, I've
had former former police reaching out you. By the way,
if you want to weigh in and you are former
SQUAT or involved in police on the or military on
the on the tactical room clearing side, and you saw
that video, you want to add your analysis to it,
please do call in. Eight hundred two eight two two
(20:55):
eight eight two. I know we have SQUAT commanders who
listened to this long time SWAT. We have Green Berets,
we got everybody, Delta Seals, they all listen to this show.
But I've already Clay had people who are special operations
and people who are the equivalent of special operations within
the law enforcement community, you know SWAT. It's called EESU
and the MYPD Emergency Services Unit. They've said, very well
(21:17):
done by these officers. Obviously the outcome stopping the threat
first and foremost, but even just moving through the rooms
the way they did. This will be taught. This will
be video footage that law enforcement officers in training for
situations like this will likely be seeing Okay, there's also
the motive component of this. We don't have the manifesto yet,
we know there is a manifesto. We know the shooter
(21:40):
is a biological female or a female who was living
life as a man insofar as demanding him pronouns and
changed the name, changed the individual's name. Interesting to see
that news media was generally referring to this person as
(22:01):
a she and then USA today, I'm sure some of
you saw this started to get into oh, we didn't
mean to miss gender the mass murderer who is also
and I want to be clear if any you know,
it's amazing Clay people. You know when I tweeted this
out yesterday, sure this is a This is a trans
domestic terrorist. That is, this is a person who is transgender,
(22:22):
who is almost certainly at this point acting out in
part tied to the belief that either it's the Christian
School or the state of Tennessee with the ban on surgeries.
There is clearly an ideological component of transgenderism that was
at work here. It is a trans domestic terrorist, and
it's amazing to see all these people coming out Clay
(22:44):
and they attack me either personally or my analysis. Who
are you to say such a thing? And I sit
here and say I don't know. Five years in the
CIA counter Terrorism Center, briefing the President twice about Kennter
terrorism operations overseas, and working for the NYPD in Tellence
Division on terror, like I think I know what a
terrorist is. And if you look at Dylan Roof and
(23:05):
you look at some of the other mass shooting events,
the media immediately starts talking about domestic terrorism. By the way,
I don't disagree with that assessment, but here you wouldn't
even know that there could be an ideological component of
what happened if you read most of the headlines and
saw most of the coverage, that's right, And Buck, I
mean to take people behind the scenes. What did I
(23:25):
say off air? Almost as soon as some of these
details started coming out, I said that based on the
elementary school being targeted, based on this being a woman,
it seemed, and being armed with three different guns, something
wasn't adding up here, right, This wasn't some sort of
domestic dispute. I found it unlikely that it was going
(23:47):
to be somebody's mom who suddenly flipped out and went
in with three different guns to try to murder kids,
I said almost immediately off the air, because I didn't
want to speculate on the air that given what the
trans gender temperature has been in the state of Tennessee
over this so called gender affirming care being banned and
also the ridiculous shows, right, these drag shows being banned
(24:14):
for young children, that there was a high temperature, particularly
in Nashville, over this, and it didn't surprise me that
it tipped out. Now here's the truth, Okay, we should
be if we had an honest media and an impartial media,
people would be asking the question, was this girl on
transgender medications? Right? This killer testosterone hormones, etc. Is there
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any study about what that can do to your behavior
and the choices that you make. Individuals are responsible for
the choices they make, as we all know. But whenever
one of these situations arises, we have an immediate analysis. Right.
If this were a white guy who had voted for
Donald Trump that had done this shooting in Nashville, this
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would be domestic terrorism. Merrett Garland would have already have
you guys all know this. Merrett Garland would have already
had a press conference. He probably would have flown to
Nashville already and say white men Trump supporters, this extension
of January sixth, domestic terrorism is the biggest threat. Is
Joe Biden going to get on a plane and come
to Nashville? So far he hasn't. I believe we have
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the audio, in fact, Buck, of Joe Biden. Yesterday we
played this live on the air because we were so
confused that it was going on. Joe Biden before he
came out and actually addressed the kids that had been
murdered in Nashville, actually talked about how much he likes
ice cream. Listen to cut fourteen. This is what was
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going on when Joe Biden came down and started addressing
the White House and the crowd. This aired live on
Fox News. Listen, my name is Joe Biden. I'm doctor
Joe Biden's husband's ice cream chocolate Chip. I came down
because here there was chocolate tip ice cream. By the way,
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I have a whole refrigerator fall upstairs. I think I'm kidding.
I'm not okay, super weird, Buck, I mean, look, you
and I this news was breaking yesterday. Treat our audience
with respect. Hey, here are the details. Here's what we know,
here's where we think this story is going. Here's what
you all need to know. We didn't come on and say, hey,
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let's make a joke about how much we like ice
cream and then try to pivot in fact, Buck, as
you well know, yesterday off air, we had conversations. It's
hard to talk about anything else because this is such
an emotional in the moment event that has just occurred.
The president can't come down and address what's going on
in a sober and serious way. He comes down and
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starts making jokes about ice cream, and it's it's very strange.
Can I can I point out, you know yesterday I
said right as this happened, and they said that it
was remember originally into to the law enforcements credit here
this needs to be There are a couple of standard
setting aspects of what happened in the law enforcement response
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in Nashville yesterday. Obviously, most importantly, they stop the threat.
The officers on the scene ran in to the I
mean to the sound of the gunfire, or to the
degree they could looking anywhere they could for whoever they
could stop the threat. But also the flow of information
to the public. This is important. People need to know
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when the information. There's no reason for law enforcement to
hold back on this stuff generally unless they're trying to
do a secondary arrest they think there's a co conspirator.
Anything else, there's no reason to delay. And what you
generally see in a lot of departments, and you know,
obviously the mayor or the governor's getting involved that this
kind of an incident is the delay of facts being
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released in certain cases, and the delay of facts depending
on what the narrative may be. And you start to
hear this, we may never know the mode if the
only time they say we may never know the motive
of a terrorist attack, which is what this was, or
any mass casualty incident is when the perpetrator and the
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ideology involved is something that the Democrat left does not
want to hear about. Yesterday, when they told us that
there was a teenage it was a teenage girl who
did the shooting, they updated said a woman. What did
we say right away? Very rare, very rare for there
to be a female mass shooter. Not unprecedented, but there
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are I think less you can count them on one
hand for the last thirty or forty years. And then
though the conversation becomes later on we found out this
was a transgender individual. Well, that recently is less rare.
You know, when you look at, for example, the Colorado
Springs shooting in twenty twenty two. Does anyone even remember
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this at this point? Think about how really go by
your memory and what the media focus is on. Do
you remember that there were five people who were murdered
in an LGP LGBTQ nightclub in Colorado Springs. You may
vaguely remember this, even though it's a horrific mass shooting event,
and Clay it was the individual involved was trans, and
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they claimed that he was not actually trans in the
media and then made the story go away because it
didn't fit the narrative. What we saw in Nashville was
we'll see you in full, you know fully in the
manifesto it was clearly a domestic terrorist act. It was ideological.
You could argue it was a hate crime as well.
Those things are not mutually exclusive. But the media is
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not talking about it like that at all. The media
is trying to make this story much of the media
should say the democratic line. Media maken go way quickly.
In fact, when we come back, we'll play you a
clip from CNN of a person saying, I don't even
know why we need to talk about it being a
trans killer. That's not the real story. Here the guns are.
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single moment of the program. We put out the call
there eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two.
If you're in law enforcement, if you have been involved
in squat training, based on the videos that you have
seen of the Nashville Police Department's response to this school shooter,
what was your reaction. We've got several different people who
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want a way in. Beginning with George in Missouri. George
what did you think of the video? What do you
think of the Nashville Police Department or spy. I think
the Nashfield Police Department did a great job. Hey, thanks
for taking my call. Um. The only problem is they're
a little slow because they're fourteen minutes away. That's what
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I thought yesterday. That's what I said. I thought that
the two with the neutralization of the threat. So what
would you say as a former special forces guy, do
you like the idea of having armed security in every school?
Does that make sense to you? Yeah? I briefed the
Lieutenant Governor in North Carolina, Dan Forrest, a few years
ago when he was still the lieutenant governor, on a
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plan to secure all the school and my number one
priority was armed any of the faculty that wished to
be trained and armed, which wouldn't cost that much money.
And then put signage up around in school saying, hey,
our our faculty is armed. That would stop probably ninety
percent of people coming in to shoot up that school.
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And then yeah, I understand, but sorry to cut you off,
I understand that idea. I think some people will say, well,
if you put more guns in, I'm just playing devil's
advocate here. If you don't have people who are well
trained with guns and they're around kids, like, could there
be more incidents that arise of shootings? But a trained
security guard to me is a no brainer. Buck. I
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understand people like, if you're a former marine and you
want to have a gun, I'm fine with it. But
I don't know necessarily that I want your average teacher
to see a couple of things. One is that there's
a and John Lott with more guns less crime. And
also his analysis on this is the foremost individual on
the data. What does the data actually tell us? And
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conceal carry permits, for example, bring down violent crime wherever
they adopt conceal carry permits, And they wonder, why is
that you would think there's more guns on the streets,
why would there be fewer violent crimes? Because it's not.
And this is like, so I will say, I mean
a member of my family is conceal carries all the time,
all the time, Okay, obviously legally down here in Florida
conceal carries. And he always says he doesn't just conceal
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carry for him, he can carries for everybody around him
and also for anybody out there who is thinking about
doing bad things. They got to know that there are
good guys out there. They have to take that calculation
of mind. So let's say you have ten schools. Not
every school is gonna want to have an armed resource officer.
Fun it should be a choice. I don't think it
should necessarily be a mandate for the school, though some
people may disagree with that. But if five of the
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schools have resource officers and two of the schools have
somebody who is a concealed carry permit holder on the premises,
the bad guys, you know, they have to assume they
don't know who that is, right, So the concealed carry
component of this added to the resource officer component, can
create different calculations for somebody who would try to use
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this as a soft target, effectively clay. It's like if
the guy if someone doesn't know if you have a gun,
arrive a gun, but one of us has a gun,
Robbing either of us is a bad idea. Yeah, by
the way, I don't even think it'should be a school choice.
I think like states should individually mandate we're going to
have armed secure in every school, and my kids have it.
I want every kid to have it in my state.
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I wanted something something that I think is interesting. Concealed
carry permit holders are by the numbers, not just more
law abiding than every day folks, they are more law
abiding by per capita than law enforcement. Think about that
for a sec That's a great stat Charlie in Minnesota, Charlie,
what do you think? I think, thank you for taking
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my call. And I think Nashville PD did exactly what
they've been trained on a long time and now retired
firefighter and have participated in a lot of training with
our law enforcement brothers and sisters on this and when
we and there's really two programs that we train and
have trained on. They're called Alert and three Echo, and
both of those programs teach the officers to move and
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engage the shooter as quickly as possible. And you saw
that with their switch when they were doing their room
clearing searcher jokes, who were fantastic, and then they switched
to go to the gunshots and that's what that's tin
they're trained to do, and they did a fantastic job.
And also you saw them put the officer in the
front with the LPVO. You heard him call that out
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on the on the body cam and and made sure
their precision marksman was in the lead and on point
un interdicting the shooters. So it was it was a
really it was a really good response from those officers,
and um, you know, you could see it for yourself,
so anyone, anywhere, everyone can know exactly what they went through.
I mean doing a a you know, bounding overwatch thrill
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uh in the past. I'm sure these officers had trained
up on this. It was good. It was the way
way officers need to do it. Anyway, Um, we want
to talk motive a little bit, the politics of this,
Biden calling for an assault rifle band, and then um,
we've also got Trump had a sit down with our
friend Sean Hannity last night. We'll discuss that coming up.
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