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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. I am still
in Washington, d C. For the next several days at
our iHeart Studios here.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Much to discuss.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Buck is in can France on the French Riviera right now.
I believe as we speak, it would be what about
six pm over there, And it's actually interesting why he's there,
because it speaks to the growth of the show, but
also a lot of advertisers suddenly clamoring to be on
(00:43):
this show, and so he is meeting with many of
the biggest brands in America that have suddenly realized, Hey,
these guys talk to a huge population all over the country.
And I've made jokes about this before, and we're going
to get into a lot of serious things. But it
is somewhat funny to me that we've been doing this
show for four years and not one car company has
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ever advertised on this show, not one restaurant has ever
advertised on this show. Not one beer has ever advertised
on this show, Not one liquor company has ever advertised
on this show, and then suddenly you're finding out, Oh,
by the way, they all should be. And you guys
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have a lot of money to spend, and you do
go to restaurants, and you do buy cars, and you
like to watch sports and movies and everything else that
the general swath of America would be all about. And
so suddenly everybody is clamoring to buy ads on this program.
You'll probably start to hear it. I was with We
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had a great event down in Palm Beach for all
of our advertisers a couple weeks ago, and the guys
at Price Pick said, yeah, you're the best advertisement that
we have bought in the history basically at Price Picks.
So you guys sign up, you guys respond, and we
know all of our advertisers. We love them. But there's
a lot of different directions that all of that is headed.
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But that is where Buck is. So he is going
to be on the French Riviera. There's probably some good
AI memes that you guys can create of Buck advertising
on the French Riviera with all of the big wigs
at iHeart, but that is where he is going to be.
I will be with you solo entirely this week, so
let's dive into everything that took place. A good time
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to be in DC, lots of different news taking place
over the weekend. I thought we saw a very crystallized
version of the way in which you see the world
and the way in which, to a large extent, you
see the country, And in particular that was surrounding the
military parade that took place here Saturday in Washington, DC,
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and I thought was compe I thought it was historically resonant.
When you saw all of the different army uniforms throughout history,
it felt to me like somewhat of a walking distillation
of a Smithsonian Museum, which if you have been to Washington,
d C.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
You have likely toured.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I spent Father's Day, and Happy Father's Day to all
the great dads out there and all of the people
who are helping to raise the next generation of young
men and young women all over the country, and the
importance of dads I think probably drastically underrated. I may
dive into that a bit during the course of today's program,
but I spent Father's Day with my seventeen year old
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he just finished his junior year in high school.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
We went to the Air and Space Museum.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That was what he was really excited to do, and
so we were just there, like a lot of dads
and moms who were with their kids, walking through the exhibits.
And I was particularly struck by the Orville and Wilbur
Wright exhibit in the Air and Space Museum, because to me,
those guys represent the essence of American ingenuity. You had
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so many people out there for hundreds of years, thousands
of years saying, boy, it would be really nice to
know what it's like to fly in the clouds, to
be able to look down on the world like a
bird does, and many of us take it for granted.
I'm still kind of surprised my son is one of
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those who doesn't take it for granted. But the number
of people who get on an airplane and immediately close
the window and have no interest whatsoever in looking out.
That's a view that, for thousands of years, would have
been the most impressive thing that any human ever saw,
and yet many of us take it for granted every
single day, the ease with which we can travel around
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the world and the views.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
That we have, the bird's eye view.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I still like to look out the window when I
get on planes, when we're landing in cities, and there's
a cool view that again, for thousands of years, every
human would have dreamed of knowing what it actually looked
like to be up that high in the sky. And
Orville and Wilbur Wright, these bicycle shop guys in Dayton, Ohio, decided, Hey,
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you know, I know everybody else in the entire history
of humanity has failed, but we think we can design
a flying machine. And they did it. And it's really
a remarkable story. And I don't think it's one that
gets talked about enough. But I've been thinking about it
a lot in the context of the dual marches that
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we saw taking place over the weekend, And what really
stood out to me is I looked and read and
you can actually stand, and I took a picture of
it like many people do, the original plane that they
took that they flew in the early nineteen hundreds, and
just think about how rapidly we evolved in our pursuit
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of flight, and then, to a large extent, how it
just stopped. And I thought it's an interesting metaphor of
American ingenuity in general. So in the early nineteen hundreds,
the Orville and Wilbur Wright. Creation of the airplane leads
to a massive change in our ability to traverse the
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country and the world. Lindberg flies across the Atlantic becomes
a huge star.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
World War One and World War.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
II leads to the rapid evolution of aircraft. In nineteen
sixty nine, we go to the Moon, which obviously is
also quite well chronicled in the Air and Space Museum.
You can see the landers there. My son was super impressed.
I hadn't been to the Air and Space Museum in
twenty five years probably, So you're walking around there, think
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about that, in the space of a normal life, you
could have been born where there were no airplanes, and
you could have been alive when we walked on the moon.
That's pretty staggering when you think about it. My own
grandfather was born in nineteen oh five and he died
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in nineteen ninety and the trajectory of his life now
he never got on an airplane, which is interesting. I mean,
my grandparents never got on an airplane. They had eighth
grade educations from coal mining country in Kentucky, came down
and worked. My grandfather did his whole life at DuPont.
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But you could go from not even ever seeing an
airplane to watching on television as we set foot on
the moon.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Then what happened? Think about it.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I was walking around the Air and Space Museum on Saturday, Sunday, sorry,
Father's Day, and I was talking with my son. We
basically stopped. Now we're trying to go back to the moon.
Human progress doesn't move necessarily as rapidly as we think.
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When we go back and study history, we basically have
been frozen in time since about nineteen sixty nine. Some
of you listening to me right now, I wasn't born
until seventy nine, but you will remember watching on television
as we walked on the face of the moon, and
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probably in nineteen sixty nine. If you could take yourself
back to the way that you felt on that day,
if I had asked you, hey, what's going to be
the case with American exploration by the time we get
to twenty twenty five, I think, if you consider the
right brain, they're starting in early nineteen hundred and by
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a little bit over three generations later we were walking
on the moon.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I think if I.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Had told you three generations from being on the moon,
you would have thought that we would be living in space.
You would have certainly thought that we would have been
to Mars. You would have thought that we would have
been to many of the different planets in our Solar
system and maybe beyond, because you would have expected for
there to be a progression didn't happen. Now, I understand
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some of you may say, well, the overall cost of
space exploration, what do we gain from and all those things. Well,
I think having a majestic vision for the future of
America has to encompass space travel in some way because
it expands the horizon of human possibility.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
And I was thinking a.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Lot about that because there were two stories I thought
that were being told on Saturday in this country. One
was Trump trying to make America great again by celebrating
the great two hundred and fifty year history of our
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army and what they have accomplished since they were founded
in seventeen seventy five. The other was a protest against Trump,
saying we can't have kings. No kings. That was the
newest rally. But the reason we don't have kings is
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because of the military. Because the Continental Army defeated the
greatest power in the world in one of the most
tremendous upsets in the history of the world. And then,
in an even bigger upset, we didn't return to a kingdom.
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Washington voluntarily gave up power, which has basically never happened
in the history of the world if you remember your history.
They compared George Washington to Cincinnatis because they had to
go all the way back to ancient Rome to even
find a man in position of power who didn't insist
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on his children taking over, who voluntarily relinquished that power
and allowed others to rise to the highest position in
the land. And so No Kings actually should have been
a celebration of what we saw of the military parade.
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All of the people showing up in cities to celebrate
No Kings should have been showing up in Washington.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
D c.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
To celebrate our military which ensured.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
That we did, in fact have no kings in this
country in that every four years we can pick a
new leader. They don't see it, they don't make the connection.
I'm gonna play you some cuts. I was watching the reaction.
I just felt so sad for all of those people
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showing up at the No King's rally. They've been listening
to legacy media. They have no real knowledge of what's
truly taking place. And I was thinking about all this
as I walked through the Air and Space Museum, And
do you know who the modern day Wilbur and Orville
Wright is? Elon Musk. We have been who helped to
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get Trump into office. We have been living in many
ways in a stagnated technological universe for much of my
life and for many of your lives. And suddenly the
horizon of possibility is exploding. Autonomous vehicles trying to go
to Mars, the creation of brand new spaceships. I'm gonna
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go to break here in a second. But my son
asked an interesting question as we were walking into the
Air and Space Museum. He said, why is it called
a rocket ship? So actually a really good question. I
never really thought about it. A ship on seas is
very different than a rocket plane, which is really what
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the rocket ship is. And I said, I bet it
derives because people saw the rocket ship as an extension
of the exploration era, which was fueled by ships.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
And so we don't call.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It a rocket plane, which actually would make a lot
more sense, right. We call it a rocket ship because
the pioneers who discovered the world and mapped it did
so on ships. And my guess is someone was smart
enough to say, this is a ro version of the
ships that allowed us to see the world. They're going
to allow us to explore the universe. Sometimes words become
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so common that you don't think about where they derived from.
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all of this as I was walking around our nation's
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the future. How I saw it connected to the military
parade as well as the No Kings protest, But I
also thought it's sad. I don't know how many of
you saw the videos. Many of the people at the
No Kings protest looked like super old NPR listeners, just
poorly informed. Here is a seventy four year old woman
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who was at the protest telling a reporter how scared
she is. She doesn't understand how anyone could have voted
for Trump.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
This is cut one.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I just, I just I'm just so scared. I'm seven
before you resonly.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I worry about everything.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
And I just, I just I just seem so scared
and upset and I don't and I don't understand why
people didn't voted for this person.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I mean, how sad is that it's not only Trump
derangement syndrome. I think there is a huge swath of
the left in this country that is profoundly mentally unstable,
and I think sadly the media that they consume has
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fueled their instability. That woman has never listened to the
Clay and Buck Show. I guarantee you that woman is
not listening to Fox News. That woman is marinating in
the New York Times the Washington Post, both of which
I read this morning because I want to know what
their world view is to better understand and comprehend the
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arguments that they make. They don't consume our content. They
don't even see the counter argument. And that's all I
could think is I watched these events taking place. I'm
going to play some more of them because I think
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But as we went to break there, I played that
seventy four year old woman at the No Kings protest
telling a reporter how scared she was, wondering how anyone
could have voted for Trump. I voted for Trump. Most
of you out there listening to us voted for Trump.
I don't know that you would find very many Trump
voters crying in the streets if Kamala had won, now,
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the country would have been in a really difficult spot.
It's hard for me to even think about how awful
things would be if Kamala had won. But we just
had to go through it with Joe Biden, and I thought,
surely they're going to come up with a new line
of attack.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I will say no Kings is.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Better programming than no Oligarchs because most people didn't know
what oligarchs were, and no Fascists because most people don't
really understand what fascism is. People at least understand what
a king is. But Representative Eric Swalwell, the Congressman from
California who slept with a Chinese spy, not even a
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very good looking Chinese spy, by the way, No offense
to Fang Fang, but like he didn't even get a
good looking Chinese spy they even have to give They
didn't have to bring in the victorious, secret looking Chinese
spy to get Swallowell to sleep with her. Here he
is saying, Trump's hitler.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Donald Trump is America's hitler.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, can you imagine being that sad you went to
a protest to hear the same argument made for ten years?
You know, it's been ten years since Trump came down
the escalator. The Trump era has only increased in his popularity.
The amount of votes that he has gotten has continued
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to rise. We had a decade the rise of Adolf Hitler.
I just I can't believe that this is the argument
that they are going to be making. And I want
to circle back to what I was saying about the
two different worldviews that are embedded in the in the
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protest and or the celebrations that we saw over the
course of the weekend. Really, no kings and the military
protest should have been one big celebration, because the only
reason we don't have kings is because of the colonial army.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
And I'm here in.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
DC and I was thinking about that because the left
is so broken. I went to George Washington University. It's
just they gave me a scholarship. I graduated in three years.
That's why I went there. It's a largely rich kids school.
I think it's like eighty thousand dollars a year. That
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is just down the street from the White House. And
in the last few years, in the wake of George Floyd,
the students at George Washington University decided that they needed
to protest, and what they demanded was that the colonial
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mascot be taken off of the university George Washington Colonials.
When I was there, they decided that this is all real,
this is not made up. They decided that the colonials
actually reminded them too much of colonialism and colonization, and
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so they demanded that the mascot be changed. Now, intelligent,
I was a history major. Intelligent adults should have set
down these moron kids and they should have said, hey, kids,
we were actually the colonies. The colonial army was fighting
back against the colonizer. Just because the names sound somewhat familiar,
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you're actually demanding the change of the name that reflects
an army that fought against the colonizers. The heroes of
your worldview are actually the colonial army.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Now.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I don't know why adults aren't willing to sit down
with moron kids and point this out. I would be
happy to do it. I was a history major at GW. Instead,
they changed the name to the Revolutionaries. It doesn't make
any sense, but it is I think the foundational element
here of a bastardization of history and an inability to
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understand history that leads us to the no Kings March,
which is occurring in opposition to an army celebratory march,
which actually had people dressed up as members of the
colonial army who ensured that we were.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Not going to be ruled by kings.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
One of the lessons of history is if you don't
know it, you can get manipulated in a significant way.
And these kids are paying eighty thousand dollars a year
to go to GW and they are demanding that the
Colonial Moniker be pulled away. And it's not coincidental that
the university listen to the morons change the name to Revolutionaries,
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and then within about a year and a half, two
years of changing the name of the mascot, the campus
was taken over by anti Israel protesters. All of this
is connected. It's important to recognize how we get to
where we are. It's often a progression. If you destroy history,
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if you destroy our knowledge of history, and you make
everybody have the memory of a goldfish, then you can
actually end up with millions of people in this country
showing up thinking they're on the right side of history,
arguing for no kings, while Trump is actually celebrating the
fact that we don't have kings by having people dressed
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up as colonial soldiers mar marchdown Constitution Avenue, and they're
out there arguing that this is an example of fascism
hilarian in nature, and this is where American democracy dies.
They have so lost the plot that they're actually arguing
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in favor of in favor of the same thing that
the march is, but they're not intelligent enough to make
that connection, and they've.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Moved from.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Trump is never going to leave office to I don't
even know what their argument is now, and I think
it's why it's continuing to fail. But I tie this
all back in with the way I started off the program,
and I really do think that this is important. Aaron
Space museum. I just want to lay out these numbers
and I want you to think about it. Nineteen oh three,
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Orville and Wilbur Wright create the airplane. Nineteen twenty seven,
Charles Lindberg becomes a huge celebrity for flying across the
Atlantic without stopping. Nineteen sixty nine, we walk on the
face of the Moon. Since then, we really haven't progressed
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in our exploration until now. Elon Musk is potentially I
think he's going to do it. I think he's going
to put a man on Mars, and I think it's
going to accelerate our age of exploration in a way
that has not occurred, frankly for multiple generations. I think
Trump sees that. I think it's connected in even though
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he's criticized for it. When Trump talks about Greenland, or
Canada or the Panama Canal, he's actually thinking about America
and an expansionist, exploratory concept that is not fixed in place.
It's not static. The American dream is continuing to expand,
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and he's thinking about our country in the way that
American leaders used to as one where we're constantly advancing
and exploring new lands and bringing new freedoms and I
think it's connected to the way that he's handled Iran.
Top of the next hour, I'm going to talk all
about Iran and why I think the people out there
who are criticizing President Trump over Iran, and there's a
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lot of them on the right, many.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Of them you may listen to. You may read.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I don't have any problem with the marketplace of ideas
anybody out there. Some of you may have seen me
arguing over the weekend with Mark Cuban, owner of the
Dallas Mavericks. He came after me. People can attack me
all they want. That's the marketplace of ideas. Actually, talk
to my kids about this. Chnology can be good, except
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if your dad or your mom happens to have a
public profile. They can just type in your name on
Google and there's tons of articles that come up. It's
probably not going to shock you. Sometimes people don't really
like me. And I've been talking about this with my
kids for years. I think it's been healthy for them.
I said, look, even when they're five or six years old,
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I said, you guys are gonna get on the internet.
Now I've got two teenagers, they're obviously on the internet
quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Ten year olds on the internet too.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
They only get their news, by the way, from YouTube
and TikTok, which is its own crazy worldview to think about.
But I said, you guys got a good choice. Now
you can listen to what people on the internet say
about your dad, good or bad. There's lots of good
out there, there's lots of bad. You have public profile,
that happens, I said. Or or you can decide what
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you think about your dad based entirely on the fact
that you see me every day as your dad and.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
You live with me. Who do you think knows dad better?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
You guys who actually live in the house with me,
or people writing about me on the internet. And I
think that's a good lesson in general for all of
us about public persona, about public perception. We build twenty
foot tall stories of what we think about people, and
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they're often six inches deep. The media can be powerful
in that way. They're like big paper mache creatures. They're
not steel. Oh that's one hundred feet tall, Old Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
He's hitler.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
And then you actually explore it and you push through
and you're like, man, that's a mirage. There's not even
any substance behind it. I think that's the world in
which we live, and that's why. And I'm right thinking
about this a lot because working on my book over
the weekend too. It's going to be out in November.
That's why I think authenticity is all that really matters
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in modern day because the younger a kid is with YouTube,
with TikTok, with everything else they experience, They're not expecting
to agree with everything. They just want to know that
you are an authentic version of what you claim to be.
Authenticity cancels, cancel culture. You can't cancel people who are
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what you think they are. And that's where I feel protected.
I met a lot of different people over the weekend
as we were going around to these different events. I'm
really not any different face to face than I am
on the radio with you or on television with you.
There is no difference between what I would say or think,
for better or worse, and what I would say on
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the radio. Makes it hard to cancel me. And I
think it's what Trump has determined and why his overall
support has grown, particularly among young people, not because they
agree with everything he says. You should never agree with
everything any politician says should never happen, but you should
respect that the politician is being honest with you about
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what he or she believes, and as soon as you
find out that they are not, as soon as you
know that you are being directly lied to, you should
trust that person less. And we are filled our political
universe with people who are just weird, not normal liars,
and a huge number of those people, not just on
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the left, but a huge number of them are There's
lots of people on the right with that perspective too.
But I think that is why Trump has grown his
support over the decade since he came down the escalator,
because with young people, they've grown up with Trump and
he is what he puts forward in public to a
large extent if you actually listen to what he says
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and pay attention to what he does as opposed to
allowing other people to characterize what he does and says.
Nobody has ever been more transparent or more open in
my life with the media than Trump. We'll talk about that.
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as we close up the first hour here eight hundred
and two A two two eight eight two, if you
want to weigh in on any of the topics we're
discussing today after a very news filled weekend. Top of
the next hour, I'm gonna tell you the latest on
what is going on in Israel. And producer Ali just
told me that we were scheduled to have the speaker
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of the Kanesse, that is basically the Congress of Israel,
Emir Ohanna, was going to join us alive, but instead
he has had to cancel because of war related issues.
He's going to join us later this week. We will
dive into that and give you the absolute latest on it.
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I did want to mention the shooting that happened in Minneapolis.
They caught the guy. They caught him late last night,
the alleged assassin killer. And certainly this comes on the
heels of a lot of different acts of violence. We
could run through an entire litany. I was reading the
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New York Times this morning, and I saw that Amy
Cony Barrett this spring that her sister received a note saying,
I've constructed a pipe bomb, which I recently placed in
amy Cony Barrett's sister's mailbox at her home. This guy
said free Palestine at the end of it, super detailed.
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Don't engage in acts of violence. I know we have
said this for four straight years. There are people that
you agree with, there are people that you disagree with.
I've had to deal with this. We've had to have
private security at my home because death threats have been
mailed to my home. I had to sit down with
my kids and explain this. We had people parked outside
of the house throughout the course of the election season.
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We're moving because my wife has been so concerned about
all the threats that we've gotten because of the things
that I say. To an entirely protected neighborhood where we're
going to have armed security all the time, and other
people who are in the public eye will be living
in this neighborhood where we are, don't do it. If
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you are listening to me right now and you are
in any way considering an act of violence based on
something that somebody has said or something that someone has done.
You are the bad guy. You are the bad guy,
doesn't matter whether you're a Democrat, republic and independent. I
think this has to be hammered home. Certainly. We have
seen a lot of left wing violence of late. The
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media doesn't cover it as much. We know that if
there's anyone on the right who engages an act of violence,
media will cover it on the front page for days
or weeks, or months or even years, as we saw
in the case of jan six. But do not engage
in any acts of violence for any motivated reason at all.
On this show, we try not to name a lot
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of the individuals who do this, because I do think
that that motivates them a great deal. So please do
not engage in acts of violence. Control yourselves, use your
voice in constructive manner, not violent ones. We come back
the absolute latest on the Middle East
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