September 11, 2024 • 36 mins
Clay and Buck review the frustrating debate. ABC News moderators were biased, but Trump missed many opportunities. Flashback to Newt Gingrich destroying CNN moderators in 2012 debate. Montage of Kamala Harris debate lies not fact-checked by moderators. Swing-state cities prominent in top TV markets for debate viewership. NYT suggests swing voters didn't see debate as big Harris victory like pundits.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Wednesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now. It is post debate day and
look we're going to get into it the details, best exchanges, policies,
and also take a look at the numbers the needle
did it move? The aftermath of the debate last night, Clan.
(00:25):
I will share our top line thoughts on this with
all of you. Also want to get a lot of
your reaction to eight hundred eight two eight A two.
Definitely give us a call and we'll want to hear
from you and you can tell us how how you
think that it went. I think based on Twitter or
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ex Clay and I on the on the big stuff
see this one pretty much the same way. And we
can get into this right away. Yes, I know that
if any of you don't hear the right away, you're
gonna yell at me. So I don't want you to
yell at me. The moderators were awful, even in comparison
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to me thinking that it would be a rig job,
that it would be an ambush. It was an ABC
News ambush of Donald Trump on behalf of Kamala Harris.
We will go into why that is and the most
obvious point is the constant fact checking of Trump, sometimes
incorrectly and other times just fact checking on an opinion
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not a fact, which would also be incorrect. But I
mean sometimes they even had the facts wrong. Never once
did they fact check Commel. The most egregious instance of
this was when she once again tried it out to
Charlottesville good people on both sides lie. That is completely
taken out of context. Donald Trump did not say that
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there were good neo Nazis. This is a lie. Even
Snopes has admitted this is a lie. This is wrong.
You know, this would be like taking a sound bite
from the beginning of a sentence and cutting out the
end of it and pretending like that is the intent
of what a person said. And and so that was egregious.
It was gross, Clay. I'll just I'll say it. I mean,
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I thought that Trump, given that he had to fight
through a three on one, did reasonably well for Trump.
It was not a strong night for Trump. I did
not I look everyone's until their opinion on this one.
I thought he would bring it a little more. I
know it's unfair, but this is the deal that they
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signed up for. I would also put this out there, Republicans,
Stop doing this to yourselves. Stop stepping on a rake.
Stop making this mistake of oh, I'm gonna go to
the the ABC or CBS or NBC, they'll do a
fair debate. Let's stop it, okay, especially when it matters
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they turn this on and away that it blows up
in our faces. And unfortunately Kamala, as much as her
record is awful and she's a phony and a fake,
she showed up very prepared and I think her remarks
were all canned. I think they were rehearsed speeches effectively.
But Clay, to me, it's kind of I would say
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a draw, which I know everyone says that's what you
say when your person loses.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
But it was unfair. It was rigged.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
So maybe you give Trump the edge based on that.
But it wasn't the night that we needed to get
a knockout of the Kamala campaign, that's for sure. Trump
had multiple opportunities to absolutely obliterate Kamala Harris, to knock
her out, and he consistently swung and missed and played
into her traps. I thought it was a poor performance
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by him.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
And look, some people are gonna say, oh, well, you.
I don't sugarcoat things, right. I come from the world
of sports. When your team performs at its less than
optimal level, you don't come on and say, hey, they
were great. I thought, look the rig job in effect.
I thought it was disgraceful how Mure and Lindsay Davis
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behaved the fact checking in quotation marks. To me, the
debate really pivoted when Lindsey Davis stepped in on the
abortion issue and decided to weigh in. It was like
she was giving a life raft to Kamala, who I
thought was really struggling at that point.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
But let me go to the very start of the debate.
To me, this is.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
When Trump could have completely taken command and dominated her.
The very first question was about to Kamala Harris, essentially,
are people better off now than they were before you
came into office.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
The answer is incontrovertibly no.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Every single person out there, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic is
worse off because Biden and Kamala have failed. And she
started off because I wrote it down. I've got my
notepad here, buck of all the things that I jotted
down as I watched this from my home. After she
got asked if there people are better off than they
were four years ago. Kamala Harris started with a canned answer.
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Her first answer was I was raised as a middle
class kid. She completely avoided the answer of the question
that then went to Trump. She didn't even make an
argument that people were better off four years ago now
than they were four years ago.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Trump.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
She whiffed on an epic level. She looked nervous, she
was jumping around. She whiffed, and all Trump had to
say was point out in his response she didn't answer
the question because she can't. Every person white, Black, Asian, Hispanic, gay,
straight male female is worse off today because Biden and
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Kamala have failed. I want all of you to note
that she didn't answer the question. He had a chance
to knock her down on the very first question and
he whiffed. And then the other thing I'll point two
buck is he played into her attacks. They had a
question on immigration. She brought up how many people go
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to his rallies and said they were boring. And instead
of hitting her on now saying she wants to build
a wall and letting tens of millions of illegals into
this country, Trump argued with her. He went down the
rabbit hole about how many people go to his rallies
and about how they have a good time, and she
can't even get as many people as her rallies. She
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baited them, and Trump took the bait all night long
on those. She left her chin exposed in a boxing analogy,
and he never delivered multiple knockout punches. If you want
to take it away from boxing, buck, I understand the
refereeing was rigged. It was, but the people who talk
about refereeing being rigged do it because they lost. If
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you have crappy refs and you still win, you might say, hey,
the refs were crappy, but you still won. I hope
that it doesn't have a major lasting impact. Trump had
a chance to end the race tonight. She was not good.
He didn't take it of it. To me, it was
an incredibly frustrating debate to watch.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
You know, we talk about beat the cheat in the
context of getting enough votes to win even with whatever
shenaniganst Democrats are planning. If you're going into an ABC
News debate as a Republican this close to election day,
in particular, you've got to be prepared to beat the
cheat when it comes to the refs or the moderators
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in this case. You know, I've gone in before, I've
gone done CNN, and I've been on the Bill Mahershaw,
and I've I've done shows with leftists. You know, the
game is the game, right, I mean, you can't show
up and be like, oh, but it's so unfair. I mean,
if you're agreeing to be there, you've got to do
the best with what you've got. I would say, yeah,
I mean it wasn't. It wasn't strong from Trump in
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a bunch of places where it needed to be, And
that was frustrating as somebody watching and who is very
invested in Trump winning obviously for the for the benefit
of the call of the whole country. But Clay, if
you remember back, I think it was the twenty twelve
primary or twenty eleven primary. In the twenty twelve election,
remember Nute Gingrich had one moment it was it was
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a primary, it wasn't even a general election. Yes, where
he went after I wonder who the I wonder which
anchor it was?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Was it Chris Wallace?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
He went after one of the questioners in a way
that got him his moment, right, that was the one
nude Gingrich moment of that cycle. I bring it up
because I don't understand why Trump didn't say to attack
the moderator, go right at the moderators. And I tweeted
this during the debate. Others were tweeting this too, because
I think it was so obvious. At some point, you've
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got to say, this is just you guys are being unfair.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
This is outrageous.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And then that that resets for a lot of the audience,
Oh oh no, he knows, Okay, we understand what's going
on here, And it reframes a lot of the conversation
that comes afterwards, because then everyone's more aware of it
and everyone sees that Trump isn't taking it lying down.
You know, there were a few things. I mean the
fact that it never was really there was no looking
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into the camera and saying she has been the vice
president for four years. Biden's administration is a disaster. You
can afford half the house. You could when she and
Biden came into office, she lied about Biden being of
sound mind for years up until the very very end.
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She was a part of that lie. She is changing
all of her policy positions that are disadvantageous for her now,
as though it all meant nothing, just from a few
years ago. She's a phony, she's a fraud, and she
would be a terrible president. I mean, yeah, people can
point to me to say, well, he said Trump said this,
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or Trump said that.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I mean, you know, man, nobody cares about the crowd size.
I don't know what else this. Nobody else cares. I mean,
that's what he cares about. That the period everybody was
seeing at home saying he's doing she's doing doing that
to paid him. We all saw it. It was so
obvious and sure enough. So it's frustrating.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Look on the good news.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
By the way, we're not gonna lie. It's not like
whining today Trump. I don't think this moves the polls
at all. I still think Trump is going to win.
I have not moved off of that. But I think
he could have given himself a little more momentum and
a little bit of an insurance policy last night. And
I don't think he did it.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
He could have ended it.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
She is a uniquely awful candidate, and he led her
off the hook time after time.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
It reminds me of my fishing.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I went fly fishing recently and I got a bunch
of bites, and every time I tried to get the
big fish in, they got off.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
He had so many opportunities to reel her in and exposure.
Now did the moderators help. I thought he had a
good moment in the abortion thing when he went directly
to Kamala and said, do you think there should be
abortions in the seventh, eighth, and ninth month?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And then they cut it off.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
There was an element of officiating where when Trump I
felt like had her a bit cornered and would hit
her with a punch, that suddenly the moderator swept in
and tried to protect her. Which is why I think
you're right, Buck. I think at some point Trump should
have turned to Mrror and to Lindsey Davis, and I
think he should have absolutely ripped them to shreds now.
(11:18):
I bet that this is where you get trained. I
bet they've said to him to a large extent, don't
get controlled by the moderators. But I think this was
such a blatant rig job, and when they did it
correct the very fine people, the blood bath, the Charlottesville hoax.
I don't think the moderator should be in the business
of trying to do fact checks, because as you mentioned,
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a lot of times, the fact checks are wrong. That is,
they get the actual facts wrong, and they just disrupt
the flow of the actual debate. Let people argue it out.
I thought CNN did that well. I thought that ABC
was in on the rig job with Kamala because she's
from losing and they know that desperately they need to
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elevate her.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
You also can tell how it's going based on are
the most rapidly partisan leftists online all praising what a
great job the moderators are.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Doing right away?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
And that happened right, I mean you had, like, yes,
like Chris Hayes from MSNBC. I mean, you know, think
of somebody who is an outright comi and has absolutely
no interest whatsoever in a fair debate, and who was
criticizing the CNN debate. I'm sure all those monitors were,
but I mean that was really Biden has to mention.
Everyone saw it. It was absurd, But the moderators were
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in the tank. These are newsreaders too, I would just
point out. I mean, these are people whose job is
really to look a certain way and read words off
a prompter. They are not politically astute, They are not
particularly educated. Neither one of them is somebody who would
be impressive if you were to have a conversation. I
can assure you having worked at CBS even News with
Dan Rather as an intern when I was eighteen and
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hearing this guy talk and be like, oh, so he's
kind of an idiot. What a shock making seven million
dollars a year at the time to read off a prompter.
So the fact that they would or the idea that
they would fact check Clay in real time, you know,
they're not in a position.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
And here's the other thing. I think I haven't heard
anybody else point this out. My wife was fired up
about it. They were ready for the fact checks, so
they were prepared to go after Trump because they were
instantaneous in the fact checks. They were the questions wanting
to do this.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yes, I mean the.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Framing of the questions was very favorable for Kamala and
very you know, it's not hard to do. You'd be like,
all right, tell us your economic plan, tell us your
economic plan. There are it is, in fact possible to
give questions that are neutral and topic based. The fact
I mean, the fact that they asked Trump about Kamala's
black identity or however.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
There was that was.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
That is just a shot in the ribs at Trump
on the stage. They're correct the fact they didn't ask
about the assassination.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Attempt on Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You go through these things, you say it couldn't be.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
That's about January, not that.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yes, the framing about Ukraine, Ukraine cannot defeat Russia.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Do all the little babies out there need to hear this.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Ukraine cannot beat Russia in a drawn out war. So
Trump want to negotiate an end to the conflict so
people stop dying.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
And if you say that you're rooting for one side
or the other to win, it actually makes it far
more difficult to get a negotiated settlement, which is I mean,
it was a childlike level of debate preparation that was
designed to try to make Kamala Harris look good. My
problem is Trump had a lot of layups. He had
(14:49):
a lot of easy shots, and he missed a lot
of them.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't disagree. I mean
I was very frustrated at home, but hey, good news.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Everybody, don't go anywhere Castru.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Going to win. It's gonna be fine. Don't worry about it.
Call us to eight hundred two two eight A two.
I want to hear your thoughts about the debate. As
you know, today is a day for remembrance. We remember
those who lost their lives on airplanes and in buildings
at the hands of al Qaeda terrorists. We remember those
who bravely charge into buildings and saved lives while sacrificing
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Welcome back in Clay Travits Buck Sexton Show. Quick turn here.
But I did want to play what I wish we
had gotten from Trump. This is newt Gingrich versus Jake
Tapper back in the Republican Primaries.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Your ex wife gave an interview to ABC News and
another interview with the Washington Post, and this story has
now gone viral on the internet. In it, she says
that you came to her in nineteen ninety nine at
a time when you were.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Having an affair.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
She says you asked her, sir to enter into an
open marriage. Would you like to take some time to
respond to that?
Speaker 6 (16:55):
No, but I will I think for this strup jives
vicious negative nature of much of the news media makes
it harder to govern this country, harder to attract decent
people to run for public office. And I am appalled
that you would begin a presidential debate on a topic
like that to take an ex wife and make it
(17:19):
two days before the primary a significant question in a
presidential campaign is as close to despicable as anything I
can imagine.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
That's how you handle biased moderators. Newt laid it down.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
And, by the way, turned a complete attack into a
non story.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
In the way that he handled it, it was we're getting
into his best moment of the entire cycle.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Really, Actually, to get to turn hey you tried to
get your ex wife to be in an open marriage
into the greatest moment of your political career is pretty incredible,
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And dangerous plan called Project twenty twenty five that the
former president intends on implementing if couples who pray and
dream of having a family are being denied IVF treatments,
if Donald Trump were to be re elected, he will
sign a national abortion ban. Wants to be a dictator
on day one, according to himself, And what did the
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president then at the time say, There were fine people
on each side on that day. One hundred and forty
law enforcement officers were injured and some died. Donald Trump,
the candidate, has said in this election, there will be
a bloodbath if this and the outcome of this election
is not to his liking.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
So many lies and no fact checks from the moderators
last night. The bloodbath line, for example, that she quotes
is in reference to how I think the car industry
would do under the Biden You.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Know this, we talked about it back then, Buck. The
bloodbath is used all the time in the context of business.
It's not even an abnormal phrase.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
And the people on the fine people on both sides,
Oh that's Biden really has been carrying that lie further
than absolutely anyone else. That's always been Biden's thing, you know.
And then that's why he had to he had to
run because of the fine people on both sides line,
And it's a figment of his imagination that Trump actually
intended to say, they're a good any you know, you
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go do all this. It was a lot of a
lot of nonsense, a lot of garbage really, no new attacks. Clay,
which was one of my frustrations was that Trump has
heard all this stuff before and did should have been ready.
People have said to me and I get this. They've
been saying, you know, oh, but you know, maybe she
got the questions in advance. I'm sitting here, I'm like, guys,
we all know what the topics are going to be.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
You know that there was no surprise.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You're not gonna suddenly come out with a crazy question
like she was better prepared.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
She was better prepared.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
And it's also you know, it's not like they came
at Trump with you know, who is the current you know,
president of of of Georgia, Tswana or Thailand or something,
you know what I mean, Like it's you know, there
weren't there weren't It wasn't a trivia contest.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
What about the economy? What about the border? This is
the stuff we're talking now.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
The framing of it was all to give openings for
Kamala to go into a can speech. And I think
that she was giving prepared speeches. But ye it's debate prep.
That's not you know, it's not like that's illegal. You're
allowed to do that. And and I think that with
with Trump, look, I'm I I speak Trump is I
think at some level I think I I understand the
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guy pretty well. And the rambling got to a point
where I had a hard time kind of following where
he was going and stuff, and so I'm and I
was watching very intently. So look, it wasn't a good
night for him, but it's okay. I think if we
see the polls, you'll see very little to no movement,
which is why maybe, you know, I think Clay said
that he thought that Kamala got you'd say kama got
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the best of him last night as a debate, right,
I think that's probably true, but I think it's a
polling draw, or rather a numbers draw. So you know,
maybe give you give Trump a little bit of an
out with a three on one you taught you told
me Clay that the biggest TV markets for last night,
I thought, which this was interesting. You know, we were
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in radio, we got to think about market size on
a regular basis. What were the biggest TV markets?
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, so my friend Mike Mulvahill, who is a Fox
Sports data and analytics guru, ratings like shares all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I'm always fascinated by the data.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
These are the top ten markets that were watching on
television last night. And by the way, it seems like
the audience is going to be bigger than the audience
was for the debate with Joe Biden, but not necessarily
orders of magnitude larger, so somewhat similar ish in the audience.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
But this was what stood out to me.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Top ten markets, the top two Pittsburgh and Pennsylvania. Buck
Pittsburgh and Pennsylvania. Sorry, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia in Pennsylvania, the
two big cities in the state of Pennsylvania. Whoever wins
Pennsylvania is winning this race. In my opinion, if you
have to go to one state and say give me
one state outcome, you tell me who's winning Pennsylvania, I'll
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tell you who the next president is going to be.
Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, followed by West Palm, which is always
massively high in the ratings. Shout out West Palm. I
don't know why. Maybe a lot of retirees, people are
very plugged in. It always rates highly on politically La
Florida to the high West Palm. Minneapolis. By the way,
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thanks to our listeners in Minneapolis saw the ratings data
the other day. We've been skyrocketing there. Milwaukee. Fuck, we
have a sixteen share right now in Milwaukee. We just
got the ratings data. The other day for people out
there like Milwaukee loves this show, like like they love
cheese in the state of Wisconsin. And by the way,
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I'm going to be in Madison this weekend. I look
forward to seeing a lot of you, Badger and Tied Faithful.
I'm going to be at the Westcos in Alabama. Game
up up in Madison, Milwaukee, Detroit. Also, we're doing really
well in Detroit. Appreciate our new affiliate there. New York
City up forty percent in the last year. Just FYI
shout out New York City for this show. Kansas City,
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Saint Louis, and Providence. Okay, that was the top ten
to me. What stands out to me is Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Detroit.
Those four cities are wheelhouse gonna decide the election cities,
and people were really tuned in there, I would think
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Buck partly this is advertising. You can't escape the fact
that there is an election if you live in a
swing state city. Right now, I've been down to Atlanta
quite a bit. Every time I turn on the television
in Atlanta, it is undeniable that there is a major
election going on. Harris Trump ads. Some people out there say,
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you're not seeing a lot of ads. I think if
you live in one of these seven battleground on states,
guess what, you cannot escape the money that they are
pouring into your location. But anyway, so I thought that
was super interesting. People are paying attention in the battlegrounds.
I certainly hope that the Trump campaign is doing effective
messaging in those states about who Kamala is and really
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who Kamala isn't. Yeah, because there's a lot of rewriting
of her history in terms of the policies and the
things that she has supported in the past. You know,
they gave her opportunities to try to clean that up.
The moderators did last night and exactly the thing that
we've been talking about, which is they were completely in
the tank for it was very, very obvious. ABC News
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should just be blacklisted by any Republican going.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Forward for debate iry. They have to say, no, look,
we are fair about this. I certainly believe we are.
CNN did a good job, and we said they did
a good job. And I know that Biden. Now people say, well,
that's because they wanted Biden to be out. Yeah, but
I mean, can't make Biden have dementia like all they
did was run a fair debate, and that was enough
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for Biden itself, you know, to reveal it right, to
try to cover for a guy with dementia in that situation. Like,
I don't know what CNN really could have done there,
But the point is the questions were fair. They didn't
interrupt one side and not the other, they didn't fact
check one side and not the other. They let the
two people on the stage speak, and the questions weren't Hey,
(26:27):
Donald Trump, you're like a flandering.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Scumbag, Like what's it like to be that way?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I mean, you know, last night was the worst of
everything from the moderator side of things. So I do
think that going forward they should just say, you know,
if CNN is willing to run a fair debate, maybe
you do CNN again, you know, under the same kind
of auspices in the past.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
But ABC News was a total catastrophe.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I really, people, I might have missed this again. Trump
was a little little Meandery also didn't seem like he
was having fun. One of the things about Trump that
is so infectious, that is it's just so powerful politically,
Clay is he's having a good time with it. He
loves the country, he loves the people, and he's out
(27:09):
there and he's doing his thing, and he's he's indefatigable
and he's unflappable.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And he's having fun.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
And last night he looked a little bit like, you know,
somebody didn't have enough milk for his cheerios or something like.
It wasn't the Trump that we're used to now. I
think part of that was Kamala was, you know, irking him, purposely,
going at him on some things. But you know, he
didn't smile that much. I mean, it just wasn't the
true It wasn't the best of Trump. Even it's not
(27:39):
like not like I'm saying, why isn't he all of
a sudden the second coming of Cicero. I mean, it
wasn't the best of Trump, and that I think is
part of the frustration. But again, I don't know. I mean,
I think a debate that's not a disaster, it doesn't
really matter to people very much. Barack Obama twenty and
twelve first debate was horrible, horrible. Even his own side.
There was almost a like anti Obama cou to push
(28:01):
him out. I mean, didn't quite get that bad, but
they were freaking out about how badly he did and
a crush Mitt Romney.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I think to.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Your point on the moderator, I said this yesterday. I've
been saying it for a long time. If you leave
a debate talking about the moderators, they failed. Now for
their purposes, they wanted to rig things for Kamala, but
Jake Tapper and Dana bash I had to go back
and look up who exactly were the moderators for CNN.
(28:29):
They provided a forum for the candidates to express their
differences and debate each other. You should be in the
business of getting out of the way. I think for
many people out there, the reaction today is Trump walked
into a ambush, and he should have been prepared for
the ambush, and he didn't acquit himself as well as
(28:51):
he could have given those scenarios. To me, the biggest
takeaway is going to be how long does this story linger?
The thing about Biden's performance on June twenty seventh wasn't
just that he was a disaster on June twenty seventh.
It's that the media put him in the spin cycle
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and they didn't allow him to get out until he
had to drop out on July twenty. First, they trained
all of their attention on it. They didn't allow it
to alter. My suspicion, and it's just a suspicion is
they're going to try to do it with this debate.
They're going to try to make it a multi day,
multi week story to try to drive it in the
(29:35):
same way buck that they basically eliminated the assassination attempt
of Donald Trump. I mean, it really is a great
study for some of you out there, of your kids.
Jan six They have spent four years talking about. They
won't allow it to escape the news cycle, such that
we got a direct Jan sixth question in yesterday. They
(29:57):
didn't ask about the assassination attempt on TRU which happened
on July thirteenth, because they are trying to memory hole
it and pretend it never existed. I wish Trump when
he got his rallies made fun of again, who the
fuck that gotta be careful?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Who cares how many people go to the rallies? Trump does?
This goes back to my issue. Unfortunately Trump does. That's
the problem, right.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
This goes back to my thing. If I ever got
inaugurated president of the United States and four people showed
up and the crowd wasn't very big. I'd be like
that kind of stings. I guess it's cold in DC.
But I'm the frigging president. It doesn't matter how many
people show up to wait make me raise my right hand.
I wish Trump had seen that attack coming and instead,
(30:40):
which he could and should have, and instead of going
down the rabbit hole of my rallies are great people,
if he had said, I'm glad you brought up the rallies, Kamala.
We lost a brave American patriot who came to Butler,
Pennsylvania to watch me. I think about him every single day,
and that's what I'm fighting for. That's why right after
they tried to kill me and they hit me with
(31:01):
a bullet, I got up and said, fight, fight, fight,
because I'm in this to win this, to fight on
behalf of innocent people that are getting taken advantage of
in this country every single day the pit. And that's
me just reacting. Like we said this yesterday, Buck, and
I'll say it again. I would pay millions of dollars
to have had a freaky Friday opportunity where you or
(31:23):
I could be inside of Donald Trump's body to answer
every question and to get to debate against Kamala because
I think we would have knocked her out. I think
if you or I had been on that stage, who
would have knocked her out? Not because we're excellent debaters,
but because Kamala is such a uniquely far left wing, lying,
awful candidate that her chin was exposed the whole night
(31:43):
and Trump got very limited contact on what should have
been one knockout punch after another, And it started with
that first question. He could have put her in the
corner standing eight count style. When she couldn't answer the
question about whether things are better now than four years ago,
he led her off the hook one time, out dur another.
I think that's what made it so frustrating to me
to watch.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I'm drinking
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was fairly late night last night for many of us
watching the debate, then doing reactions and whatnot over the
course of the evening, let me go ahead and give
out the phone number we'll take your calls in hour
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(33:34):
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(33:55):
Buck that to me was interesting is Kamala's team wants
a second debate. I'm actually surprised by that. I did
not anticipate it. I think that surprises you too.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, look, I'm always this is all This is all perception, right,
Sometimes we talk about things here and we're just deep
into the facts and the numbers and the data.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
This is perception.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
You know, there is a there is a New York
Times headline pundit said Harris won the debate undecided voters
weren't so sure. You know, this is where we have
to do a little bit of an assumptions check on ourselves, right,
not just you and me, but people who work in
this business. We're so finally attuned to the policy details
(34:37):
and the responses that we're hoping for. And we also
do this for a living. So when we see somebody
up there, look, Trump is a gifted entertainer and communicator.
I wouldn't say he's a gifted debater. Those are different things.
But we see somebody up there, and it's easy for
us saying, oh, like I would have done this, or
I would have said that, And I think that's normal,
right to be expected at some level. New York Times headline,
(34:59):
though pun It said Harris won the debate, undecided voters
weren't so sure. Some of these intangibles Harris with her
sort of very stage smirks and looks and the very
clear moderator bias in favor of her, and for people
who are just tuning in who aren't all over politics,
(35:20):
I don't know. You know, Trump wasn't hey. You could
say this for him. Trump wasn't nasty. Kamin was a
little was a little mean. She was a little mean.
You know, we we haven't gotten to this, but she
was kind of mean.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
I have to be careful not to not to curse.
She was way meaner and attacked him way more than
he attacked her.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
And that's not where our thoughts go.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
But you don't mean for some people that aren't really
tuned to politics, they're like, who's this woman who's kind
of being mean to this guy?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Well, look, you and I want to knock out. I mean,
I know that we are on the right side of
these arguments. So when I see her leave her chin exposed,
I just want Mike Tyson style for Trump to take
her out. And I felt like she had her chin
out a ton and that punch never got landed. And
(36:10):
I think there were multiple knockout punches to be had there.
But I'm gonna talk about this more when we come back.
What does Kamala Harris's desire for a second debate tell us?
I think, beyond the shadow of a doubt buck, the
answer is she's behind and she feels like she needs
to make up ground.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I don't want ever to know.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I still think Trump is winning, and I still think
Trump will win. So we're just analyzing the debate. There
is not a hint of despair in my voice at all.
My friends, we are still on mission. We are still
on task. Clay will breakdown this Kamala second debate issue
and also Clay. We have every line lit. We will
get to calls guys, so just be patient with us.
(36:50):
We will get the calls in the next hour.
Welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Wednesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now. It is post debate day and
look we're going to get into it the details, best exchanges, policies,
and also take a look at the numbers the needle
did it move? The aftermath of the debate last night, Clan.
(00:25):
I will share our top line thoughts on this with
all of you. Also want to get a lot of
your reaction to eight hundred eight two eight A two.
Definitely give us a call and we'll want to hear
from you and you can tell us how how you
think that it went. I think based on Twitter or
(00:45):
ex Clay and I on the on the big stuff
see this one pretty much the same way. And we
can get into this right away. Yes, I know that
if any of you don't hear the right away, you're
gonna yell at me. So I don't want you to
yell at me. The moderators were awful, even in comparison
(01:08):
to me thinking that it would be a rig job,
that it would be an ambush. It was an ABC
News ambush of Donald Trump on behalf of Kamala Harris.
We will go into why that is and the most
obvious point is the constant fact checking of Trump, sometimes
incorrectly and other times just fact checking on an opinion
(01:30):
not a fact, which would also be incorrect. But I
mean sometimes they even had the facts wrong. Never once
did they fact check Commel. The most egregious instance of
this was when she once again tried it out to
Charlottesville good people on both sides lie. That is completely
taken out of context. Donald Trump did not say that
(01:51):
there were good neo Nazis. This is a lie. Even
Snopes has admitted this is a lie. This is wrong.
You know, this would be like taking a sound bite
from the beginning of a sentence and cutting out the
end of it and pretending like that is the intent
of what a person said. And and so that was egregious.
It was gross, Clay. I'll just I'll say it. I mean,
(02:12):
I thought that Trump, given that he had to fight
through a three on one, did reasonably well for Trump.
It was not a strong night for Trump. I did
not I look everyone's until their opinion on this one.
I thought he would bring it a little more. I
know it's unfair, but this is the deal that they
(02:32):
signed up for. I would also put this out there, Republicans,
Stop doing this to yourselves. Stop stepping on a rake.
Stop making this mistake of oh, I'm gonna go to
the the ABC or CBS or NBC, they'll do a
fair debate. Let's stop it, okay, especially when it matters
(02:53):
they turn this on and away that it blows up
in our faces. And unfortunately Kamala, as much as her
record is awful and she's a phony and a fake,
she showed up very prepared and I think her remarks
were all canned. I think they were rehearsed speeches effectively.
But Clay, to me, it's kind of I would say
(03:15):
a draw, which I know everyone says that's what you
say when your person loses.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
But it was unfair. It was rigged.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
So maybe you give Trump the edge based on that.
But it wasn't the night that we needed to get
a knockout of the Kamala campaign, that's for sure. Trump
had multiple opportunities to absolutely obliterate Kamala Harris, to knock
her out, and he consistently swung and missed and played
into her traps. I thought it was a poor performance
(03:42):
by him.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
And look, some people are gonna say, oh, well, you.
I don't sugarcoat things, right. I come from the world
of sports. When your team performs at its less than
optimal level, you don't come on and say, hey, they
were great. I thought, look the rig job in effect.
I thought it was disgraceful how Mure and Lindsay Davis
(04:05):
behaved the fact checking in quotation marks. To me, the
debate really pivoted when Lindsey Davis stepped in on the
abortion issue and decided to weigh in. It was like
she was giving a life raft to Kamala, who I
thought was really struggling at that point.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
But let me go to the very start of the debate.
To me, this is.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
When Trump could have completely taken command and dominated her.
The very first question was about to Kamala Harris, essentially,
are people better off now than they were before you
came into office.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
The answer is incontrovertibly no.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Every single person out there, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic is
worse off because Biden and Kamala have failed. And she
started off because I wrote it down. I've got my
notepad here, buck of all the things that I jotted
down as I watched this from my home. After she
got asked if there people are better off than they
were four years ago. Kamala Harris started with a canned answer.
(05:04):
Her first answer was I was raised as a middle
class kid. She completely avoided the answer of the question
that then went to Trump. She didn't even make an
argument that people were better off four years ago now
than they were four years ago.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Trump.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
She whiffed on an epic level. She looked nervous, she
was jumping around. She whiffed, and all Trump had to
say was point out in his response she didn't answer
the question because she can't. Every person white, Black, Asian, Hispanic, gay,
straight male female is worse off today because Biden and
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Kamala have failed. I want all of you to note
that she didn't answer the question. He had a chance
to knock her down on the very first question and
he whiffed. And then the other thing I'll point two
buck is he played into her attacks. They had a
question on immigration. She brought up how many people go
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to his rallies and said they were boring. And instead
of hitting her on now saying she wants to build
a wall and letting tens of millions of illegals into
this country, Trump argued with her. He went down the
rabbit hole about how many people go to his rallies
and about how they have a good time, and she
can't even get as many people as her rallies. She
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baited them, and Trump took the bait all night long
on those. She left her chin exposed in a boxing analogy,
and he never delivered multiple knockout punches. If you want
to take it away from boxing, buck, I understand the
refereeing was rigged. It was, but the people who talk
about refereeing being rigged do it because they lost. If
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you have crappy refs and you still win, you might say, hey,
the refs were crappy, but you still won. I hope
that it doesn't have a major lasting impact. Trump had
a chance to end the race tonight. She was not good.
He didn't take it of it. To me, it was
an incredibly frustrating debate to watch.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
You know, we talk about beat the cheat in the
context of getting enough votes to win even with whatever
shenaniganst Democrats are planning. If you're going into an ABC
News debate as a Republican this close to election day,
in particular, you've got to be prepared to beat the
cheat when it comes to the refs or the moderators
(07:23):
in this case. You know, I've gone in before, I've
gone done CNN, and I've been on the Bill Mahershaw,
and I've I've done shows with leftists. You know, the
game is the game, right, I mean, you can't show
up and be like, oh, but it's so unfair. I mean,
if you're agreeing to be there, you've got to do
the best with what you've got. I would say, yeah,
I mean it wasn't. It wasn't strong from Trump in
(07:47):
a bunch of places where it needed to be, And
that was frustrating as somebody watching and who is very
invested in Trump winning obviously for the for the benefit
of the call of the whole country. But Clay, if
you remember back, I think it was the twenty twelve
primary or twenty eleven primary. In the twenty twelve election,
remember Nute Gingrich had one moment it was it was
(08:08):
a primary, it wasn't even a general election. Yes, where
he went after I wonder who the I wonder which
anchor it was?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Was it Chris Wallace?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
He went after one of the questioners in a way
that got him his moment, right, that was the one
nude Gingrich moment of that cycle. I bring it up
because I don't understand why Trump didn't say to attack
the moderator, go right at the moderators. And I tweeted
this during the debate. Others were tweeting this too, because
I think it was so obvious. At some point, you've
(08:39):
got to say, this is just you guys are being unfair.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
This is outrageous.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And then that that resets for a lot of the audience,
Oh oh no, he knows, Okay, we understand what's going
on here, And it reframes a lot of the conversation
that comes afterwards, because then everyone's more aware of it
and everyone sees that Trump isn't taking it lying down.
You know, there were a few things. I mean the
fact that it never was really there was no looking
(09:06):
into the camera and saying she has been the vice
president for four years. Biden's administration is a disaster. You
can afford half the house. You could when she and
Biden came into office, she lied about Biden being of
sound mind for years up until the very very end.
(09:26):
She was a part of that lie. She is changing
all of her policy positions that are disadvantageous for her now,
as though it all meant nothing, just from a few
years ago. She's a phony, she's a fraud, and she
would be a terrible president. I mean, yeah, people can
point to me to say, well, he said Trump said this,
(09:46):
or Trump said that.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I mean, you know, man, nobody cares about the crowd size.
I don't know what else this. Nobody else cares. I mean,
that's what he cares about. That the period everybody was
seeing at home saying he's doing she's doing doing that
to paid him. We all saw it. It was so
obvious and sure enough. So it's frustrating.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Look on the good news.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
By the way, we're not gonna lie. It's not like
whining today Trump. I don't think this moves the polls
at all. I still think Trump is going to win.
I have not moved off of that. But I think
he could have given himself a little more momentum and
a little bit of an insurance policy last night. And
I don't think he did it.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
He could have ended it.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
She is a uniquely awful candidate, and he led her
off the hook time after time.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
It reminds me of my fishing.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I went fly fishing recently and I got a bunch
of bites, and every time I tried to get the
big fish in, they got off.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
He had so many opportunities to reel her in and exposure.
Now did the moderators help. I thought he had a
good moment in the abortion thing when he went directly
to Kamala and said, do you think there should be
abortions in the seventh, eighth, and ninth month?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And then they cut it off.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
There was an element of officiating where when Trump I
felt like had her a bit cornered and would hit
her with a punch, that suddenly the moderator swept in
and tried to protect her. Which is why I think
you're right, Buck. I think at some point Trump should
have turned to Mrror and to Lindsey Davis, and I
think he should have absolutely ripped them to shreds now.
(11:18):
I bet that this is where you get trained. I
bet they've said to him to a large extent, don't
get controlled by the moderators. But I think this was
such a blatant rig job, and when they did it
correct the very fine people, the blood bath, the Charlottesville hoax.
I don't think the moderator should be in the business
of trying to do fact checks, because as you mentioned,
(11:38):
a lot of times, the fact checks are wrong. That is,
they get the actual facts wrong, and they just disrupt
the flow of the actual debate. Let people argue it out.
I thought CNN did that well. I thought that ABC
was in on the rig job with Kamala because she's
from losing and they know that desperately they need to
(11:58):
elevate her.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
You also can tell how it's going based on are
the most rapidly partisan leftists online all praising what a
great job the moderators are.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Doing right away?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
And that happened right, I mean you had, like, yes,
like Chris Hayes from MSNBC. I mean, you know, think
of somebody who is an outright comi and has absolutely
no interest whatsoever in a fair debate, and who was
criticizing the CNN debate. I'm sure all those monitors were,
but I mean that was really Biden has to mention.
Everyone saw it. It was absurd, But the moderators were
(12:34):
in the tank. These are newsreaders too, I would just
point out. I mean, these are people whose job is
really to look a certain way and read words off
a prompter. They are not politically astute, They are not
particularly educated. Neither one of them is somebody who would
be impressive if you were to have a conversation. I
can assure you having worked at CBS even News with
Dan Rather as an intern when I was eighteen and
(12:57):
hearing this guy talk and be like, oh, so he's
kind of an idiot. What a shock making seven million
dollars a year at the time to read off a prompter.
So the fact that they would or the idea that
they would fact check Clay in real time, you know,
they're not in a position.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
And here's the other thing. I think I haven't heard
anybody else point this out. My wife was fired up
about it. They were ready for the fact checks, so
they were prepared to go after Trump because they were
instantaneous in the fact checks. They were the questions wanting
to do this.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yes, I mean the.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Framing of the questions was very favorable for Kamala and
very you know, it's not hard to do. You'd be like,
all right, tell us your economic plan, tell us your
economic plan. There are it is, in fact possible to
give questions that are neutral and topic based. The fact
I mean, the fact that they asked Trump about Kamala's
black identity or however.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
There was that was.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
That is just a shot in the ribs at Trump
on the stage. They're correct the fact they didn't ask
about the assassination.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Attempt on Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You go through these things, you say it couldn't be.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
That's about January, not that.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yes, the framing about Ukraine, Ukraine cannot defeat Russia.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Do all the little babies out there need to hear this.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Ukraine cannot beat Russia in a drawn out war. So
Trump want to negotiate an end to the conflict so
people stop dying.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
And if you say that you're rooting for one side
or the other to win, it actually makes it far
more difficult to get a negotiated settlement, which is I mean,
it was a childlike level of debate preparation that was
designed to try to make Kamala Harris look good. My
problem is Trump had a lot of layups. He had
(14:49):
a lot of easy shots, and he missed a lot
of them.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't disagree. I mean
I was very frustrated at home, but hey, good news.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Everybody, don't go anywhere Castru.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Going to win. It's gonna be fine. Don't worry about it.
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But I did want to play what I wish we
had gotten from Trump. This is newt Gingrich versus Jake
Tapper back in the Republican Primaries.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Your ex wife gave an interview to ABC News and
another interview with the Washington Post, and this story has
now gone viral on the internet. In it, she says
that you came to her in nineteen ninety nine at
a time when you were.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Having an affair.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
She says you asked her, sir to enter into an
open marriage. Would you like to take some time to
respond to that?
Speaker 6 (16:55):
No, but I will I think for this strup jives
vicious negative nature of much of the news media makes
it harder to govern this country, harder to attract decent
people to run for public office. And I am appalled
that you would begin a presidential debate on a topic
like that to take an ex wife and make it
(17:19):
two days before the primary a significant question in a
presidential campaign is as close to despicable as anything I
can imagine.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
That's how you handle biased moderators. Newt laid it down.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
And, by the way, turned a complete attack into a
non story.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
In the way that he handled it, it was we're getting
into his best moment of the entire cycle.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Really, Actually, to get to turn hey you tried to
get your ex wife to be in an open marriage
into the greatest moment of your political career is pretty incredible,
pretty incredible rhetoric. Look, watching sports more fun when you're
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And dangerous plan called Project twenty twenty five that the
former president intends on implementing if couples who pray and
dream of having a family are being denied IVF treatments,
if Donald Trump were to be re elected, he will
sign a national abortion ban. Wants to be a dictator
on day one, according to himself, And what did the
(19:16):
president then at the time say, There were fine people
on each side on that day. One hundred and forty
law enforcement officers were injured and some died. Donald Trump,
the candidate, has said in this election, there will be
a bloodbath if this and the outcome of this election
is not to his liking.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
So many lies and no fact checks from the moderators
last night. The bloodbath line, for example, that she quotes
is in reference to how I think the car industry
would do under the Biden You.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Know this, we talked about it back then, Buck. The
bloodbath is used all the time in the context of business.
It's not even an abnormal phrase.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
And the people on the fine people on both sides,
Oh that's Biden really has been carrying that lie further
than absolutely anyone else. That's always been Biden's thing, you know.
And then that's why he had to he had to
run because of the fine people on both sides line,
And it's a figment of his imagination that Trump actually
intended to say, they're a good any you know, you
(20:22):
go do all this. It was a lot of a
lot of nonsense, a lot of garbage really, no new attacks. Clay,
which was one of my frustrations was that Trump has
heard all this stuff before and did should have been ready.
People have said to me and I get this. They've
been saying, you know, oh, but you know, maybe she
got the questions in advance. I'm sitting here, I'm like, guys,
we all know what the topics are going to be.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
You know that there was no surprise.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You're not gonna suddenly come out with a crazy question
like she was better prepared.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
She was better prepared.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
And it's also you know, it's not like they came
at Trump with you know, who is the current you know,
president of of of Georgia, Tswana or Thailand or something,
you know what I mean, Like it's you know, there
weren't there weren't It wasn't a trivia contest.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
What about the economy? What about the border? This is
the stuff we're talking now.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
The framing of it was all to give openings for
Kamala to go into a can speech. And I think
that she was giving prepared speeches. But ye it's debate prep.
That's not you know, it's not like that's illegal. You're
allowed to do that. And and I think that with
with Trump, look, I'm I I speak Trump is I
think at some level I think I I understand the
(21:31):
guy pretty well. And the rambling got to a point
where I had a hard time kind of following where
he was going and stuff, and so I'm and I
was watching very intently. So look, it wasn't a good
night for him, but it's okay. I think if we
see the polls, you'll see very little to no movement,
which is why maybe, you know, I think Clay said
that he thought that Kamala got you'd say kama got
(21:53):
the best of him last night as a debate, right,
I think that's probably true, but I think it's a
polling draw, or rather a numbers draw. So you know,
maybe give you give Trump a little bit of an
out with a three on one you taught you told
me Clay that the biggest TV markets for last night,
I thought, which this was interesting. You know, we were
(22:13):
in radio, we got to think about market size on
a regular basis. What were the biggest TV markets?
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, so my friend Mike Mulvahill, who is a Fox
Sports data and analytics guru, ratings like shares all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I'm always fascinated by the data.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
These are the top ten markets that were watching on
television last night. And by the way, it seems like
the audience is going to be bigger than the audience
was for the debate with Joe Biden, but not necessarily
orders of magnitude larger, so somewhat similar ish in the audience.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
But this was what stood out to me.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Top ten markets, the top two Pittsburgh and Pennsylvania. Buck
Pittsburgh and Pennsylvania. Sorry, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia in Pennsylvania, the
two big cities in the state of Pennsylvania. Whoever wins
Pennsylvania is winning this race. In my opinion, if you
have to go to one state and say give me
one state outcome, you tell me who's winning Pennsylvania, I'll
(23:10):
tell you who the next president is going to be.
Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, followed by West Palm, which is always
massively high in the ratings. Shout out West Palm. I
don't know why. Maybe a lot of retirees, people are
very plugged in. It always rates highly on politically La
Florida to the high West Palm. Minneapolis. By the way,
(23:31):
thanks to our listeners in Minneapolis saw the ratings data
the other day. We've been skyrocketing there. Milwaukee. Fuck, we
have a sixteen share right now in Milwaukee. We just
got the ratings data. The other day for people out
there like Milwaukee loves this show, like like they love
cheese in the state of Wisconsin. And by the way,
(23:53):
I'm going to be in Madison this weekend. I look
forward to seeing a lot of you, Badger and Tied Faithful.
I'm going to be at the Westcos in Alabama. Game
up up in Madison, Milwaukee, Detroit. Also, we're doing really
well in Detroit. Appreciate our new affiliate there. New York
City up forty percent in the last year. Just FYI
shout out New York City for this show. Kansas City,
(24:15):
Saint Louis, and Providence. Okay, that was the top ten
to me. What stands out to me is Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Detroit.
Those four cities are wheelhouse gonna decide the election cities,
and people were really tuned in there, I would think
(24:35):
Buck partly this is advertising. You can't escape the fact
that there is an election if you live in a
swing state city. Right now, I've been down to Atlanta
quite a bit. Every time I turn on the television
in Atlanta, it is undeniable that there is a major
election going on. Harris Trump ads. Some people out there say,
(24:56):
you're not seeing a lot of ads. I think if
you live in one of these seven battleground on states,
guess what, you cannot escape the money that they are
pouring into your location. But anyway, so I thought that
was super interesting. People are paying attention in the battlegrounds.
I certainly hope that the Trump campaign is doing effective
messaging in those states about who Kamala is and really
(25:19):
who Kamala isn't. Yeah, because there's a lot of rewriting
of her history in terms of the policies and the
things that she has supported in the past. You know,
they gave her opportunities to try to clean that up.
The moderators did last night and exactly the thing that
we've been talking about, which is they were completely in
the tank for it was very, very obvious. ABC News
(25:41):
should just be blacklisted by any Republican going.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Forward for debate iry. They have to say, no, look,
we are fair about this. I certainly believe we are.
CNN did a good job, and we said they did
a good job. And I know that Biden. Now people say, well,
that's because they wanted Biden to be out. Yeah, but
I mean, can't make Biden have dementia like all they
did was run a fair debate, and that was enough
(26:04):
for Biden itself, you know, to reveal it right, to
try to cover for a guy with dementia in that situation. Like,
I don't know what CNN really could have done there,
But the point is the questions were fair. They didn't
interrupt one side and not the other, they didn't fact
check one side and not the other. They let the
two people on the stage speak, and the questions weren't Hey,
(26:27):
Donald Trump, you're like a flandering.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Scumbag, Like what's it like to be that way?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I mean, you know, last night was the worst of
everything from the moderator side of things. So I do
think that going forward they should just say, you know,
if CNN is willing to run a fair debate, maybe
you do CNN again, you know, under the same kind
of auspices in the past.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
But ABC News was a total catastrophe.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I really, people, I might have missed this again. Trump
was a little little Meandery also didn't seem like he
was having fun. One of the things about Trump that
is so infectious, that is it's just so powerful politically,
Clay is he's having a good time with it. He
loves the country, he loves the people, and he's out
(27:09):
there and he's doing his thing, and he's he's indefatigable
and he's unflappable.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And he's having fun.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
And last night he looked a little bit like, you know,
somebody didn't have enough milk for his cheerios or something like.
It wasn't the Trump that we're used to now. I
think part of that was Kamala was, you know, irking him, purposely,
going at him on some things. But you know, he
didn't smile that much. I mean, it just wasn't the
true It wasn't the best of Trump. Even it's not
(27:39):
like not like I'm saying, why isn't he all of
a sudden the second coming of Cicero. I mean, it
wasn't the best of Trump, and that I think is
part of the frustration. But again, I don't know. I mean,
I think a debate that's not a disaster, it doesn't
really matter to people very much. Barack Obama twenty and
twelve first debate was horrible, horrible. Even his own side.
There was almost a like anti Obama cou to push
(28:01):
him out. I mean, didn't quite get that bad, but
they were freaking out about how badly he did and
a crush Mitt Romney.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I think to.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Your point on the moderator, I said this yesterday. I've
been saying it for a long time. If you leave
a debate talking about the moderators, they failed. Now for
their purposes, they wanted to rig things for Kamala, but
Jake Tapper and Dana bash I had to go back
and look up who exactly were the moderators for CNN.
(28:29):
They provided a forum for the candidates to express their
differences and debate each other. You should be in the
business of getting out of the way. I think for
many people out there, the reaction today is Trump walked
into a ambush, and he should have been prepared for
the ambush, and he didn't acquit himself as well as
(28:51):
he could have given those scenarios. To me, the biggest
takeaway is going to be how long does this story linger?
The thing about Biden's performance on June twenty seventh wasn't
just that he was a disaster on June twenty seventh.
It's that the media put him in the spin cycle
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and they didn't allow him to get out until he
had to drop out on July twenty. First, they trained
all of their attention on it. They didn't allow it
to alter. My suspicion, and it's just a suspicion is
they're going to try to do it with this debate.
They're going to try to make it a multi day,
multi week story to try to drive it in the
(29:35):
same way buck that they basically eliminated the assassination attempt
of Donald Trump. I mean, it really is a great
study for some of you out there, of your kids.
Jan six They have spent four years talking about. They
won't allow it to escape the news cycle, such that
we got a direct Jan sixth question in yesterday. They
(29:57):
didn't ask about the assassination attempt on TRU which happened
on July thirteenth, because they are trying to memory hole
it and pretend it never existed. I wish Trump when
he got his rallies made fun of again, who the
fuck that gotta be careful?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Who cares how many people go to the rallies? Trump does?
This goes back to my issue. Unfortunately Trump does. That's
the problem, right.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
This goes back to my thing. If I ever got
inaugurated president of the United States and four people showed
up and the crowd wasn't very big. I'd be like
that kind of stings. I guess it's cold in DC.
But I'm the frigging president. It doesn't matter how many
people show up to wait make me raise my right hand.
I wish Trump had seen that attack coming and instead,
(30:40):
which he could and should have, and instead of going
down the rabbit hole of my rallies are great people,
if he had said, I'm glad you brought up the rallies, Kamala.
We lost a brave American patriot who came to Butler,
Pennsylvania to watch me. I think about him every single day,
and that's what I'm fighting for. That's why right after
they tried to kill me and they hit me with
(31:01):
a bullet, I got up and said, fight, fight, fight,
because I'm in this to win this, to fight on
behalf of innocent people that are getting taken advantage of
in this country every single day the pit. And that's
me just reacting. Like we said this yesterday, Buck, and
I'll say it again. I would pay millions of dollars
to have had a freaky Friday opportunity where you or
(31:23):
I could be inside of Donald Trump's body to answer
every question and to get to debate against Kamala because
I think we would have knocked her out. I think
if you or I had been on that stage, who
would have knocked her out? Not because we're excellent debaters,
but because Kamala is such a uniquely far left wing, lying,
awful candidate that her chin was exposed the whole night
(31:43):
and Trump got very limited contact on what should have
been one knockout punch after another, And it started with
that first question. He could have put her in the
corner standing eight count style. When she couldn't answer the
question about whether things are better now than four years ago,
he led her off the hook one time, out dur another.
I think that's what made it so frustrating to me
to watch.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I'm drinking
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was fairly late night last night for many of us
watching the debate, then doing reactions and whatnot over the
course of the evening, let me go ahead and give
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(33:34):
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named after American history. I will say one takeaway here,
(33:55):
Buck that to me was interesting is Kamala's team wants
a second debate. I'm actually surprised by that. I did
not anticipate it. I think that surprises you too.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, look, I'm always this is all This is all perception, right,
Sometimes we talk about things here and we're just deep
into the facts and the numbers and the data.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
This is perception.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
You know, there is a there is a New York
Times headline pundit said Harris won the debate undecided voters
weren't so sure. You know, this is where we have
to do a little bit of an assumptions check on ourselves, right,
not just you and me, but people who work in
this business. We're so finally attuned to the policy details
(34:37):
and the responses that we're hoping for. And we also
do this for a living. So when we see somebody
up there, look, Trump is a gifted entertainer and communicator.
I wouldn't say he's a gifted debater. Those are different things.
But we see somebody up there, and it's easy for
us saying, oh, like I would have done this, or
I would have said that, And I think that's normal,
right to be expected at some level. New York Times headline,
(34:59):
though pun It said Harris won the debate, undecided voters
weren't so sure. Some of these intangibles Harris with her
sort of very stage smirks and looks and the very
clear moderator bias in favor of her, and for people
who are just tuning in who aren't all over politics,
(35:20):
I don't know. You know, Trump wasn't hey. You could
say this for him. Trump wasn't nasty. Kamin was a
little was a little mean. She was a little mean.
You know, we we haven't gotten to this, but she
was kind of mean.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
I have to be careful not to not to curse.
She was way meaner and attacked him way more than
he attacked her.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
And that's not where our thoughts go.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
But you don't mean for some people that aren't really
tuned to politics, they're like, who's this woman who's kind
of being mean to this guy?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Well, look, you and I want to knock out. I mean,
I know that we are on the right side of
these arguments. So when I see her leave her chin exposed,
I just want Mike Tyson style for Trump to take
her out. And I felt like she had her chin
out a ton and that punch never got landed. And
(36:10):
I think there were multiple knockout punches to be had there.
But I'm gonna talk about this more when we come back.
What does Kamala Harris's desire for a second debate tell us?
I think, beyond the shadow of a doubt buck, the
answer is she's behind and she feels like she needs
to make up ground.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I don't want ever to know.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I still think Trump is winning, and I still think
Trump will win. So we're just analyzing the debate. There
is not a hint of despair in my voice at all.
My friends, we are still on mission. We are still
on task. Clay will breakdown this Kamala second debate issue
and also Clay. We have every line lit. We will
get to calls guys, so just be patient with us.
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