May 17, 2024 • 36 mins
Pro golfer Scottie Scheffler arrested driving into club to play PGA Championship. Texas governor Abbott pardons man convicted of murdering BLM protester. Blue states have effectively outlawed self-defense. Jimmy Fallon mocks Biden. CNN, MSNBC not happy with Michael Cohen's obvious lies on the stand. Clay bets caller that Trump won't get a 12-0 acquittal.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody. Friday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show kicks off right now. We've got a stacked
show for you when I in the state of Tennessee today.
So I'm enjoying all the Tennesseeans that I have seen.
The weather a little dodgy, but fun to be here. Nonetheless,
(00:21):
we have a whole lot to get you. I know
I was out yesterday on my way to this lovely state.
So we might return to a little of the continuing
outrage for the speech given by mister Butker, the kicker
who I have since looked into this Clay he is,
(00:41):
did you know, not only a fantastic kicker and graduation speaker,
but played first tuba in the orchestra. Because it wasn't
the flute.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
You wouldn't have been able to deliver that speech if
he had been a flute player back in the day.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I'm just telling you, man, tuba, that's right. You know,
tuba as an instrument is not usually one that you
would associate with being a multimillionaire athlete. But you never know, Clay,
You never know.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Do you know what chaos has happened in the world
of sports? I bet ninety percent of our audience knows
this right now.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well about the kicker and the speech no no butt
kurtin that story, Yes, that story is out there. The
city of Louisville arrested the number one golfer in the
world driving into the PGA Championship this morning, Scotty Scheffler,
and the entire universe has come undone because he anyway
(01:36):
that I've been following that this morning, and I just
it's as if we're in twenty twenty four, where the
world is trying to come up with the craziest stories
that could possibly headline everything. I mean, I never would
have believed the Kansas City Chiefs kicker would take over
the entire media story cycle for about forty eight hours.
(01:57):
And now the number one golfer in the world just
got arrested trying to drive in to go play golf.
I mean that you can't even come up with some
of these Matt climbs. He got arrested allegedly for running
over a police officer and dragging him with his Well.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
The video of the video of the running over and
dragging would suggest that it is not actually anything like that,
because this guy was in a yellow like a jacket
and he didn't know who he was and he just
started hanging on to the side of the car. But anyway,
and the fact that this could even happen, I bet
(02:31):
it's gonna the fact that golfers drive themselves to golf
tournaments maybe coming to a close soon because I imagine
the PGA doesn't want this to happen.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I mean, theoretically he's facing five to ten years in prison.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
So yes, that's what they're saying. Teed off and birdied
the first hole. So so he's been the process gag. Yes,
that's there.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So there you go. So the golfer who is out
there right now doing great job on the course, a
little bit more problematic out on the roadway, and we
have you know what, Actually, we'll go to the Michael
Cohen stuff a little bit later. The short version of
the very overcovered and a hype story I think from
(03:14):
a lot of the media is Michael Cohen is a
huge liar and everybody knows it. And it was a
bad day for the forces of law fair against Donald
Trump in New York City. So we shall discuss some
of that. But I actually want to start with this
because I think it could be something that not only
(03:35):
is worthy of our attention now, but down the line
the issue of how we handle crime. Keep in mind,
in New York City they have Donald Trump up for
thirty four felony counts, and in other cities all across
the country, as we know, they try to do their
very best not to enforce the law. They try to
(03:56):
go through some pretty extensive machinations at the level of
the prosecutor's office and the you know, with the district attorney,
state's attorney. They don't really want to enforce laws on issues,
particularly of violent crime, with the same kind of clarity
and honesty. I would say that they had been doing
(04:20):
for a while a lot of these cities, and so
you have crime rising. We talk about it here on
the show all the time. And we remember during the
BLM riots, all of a sudden it was like the Purge,
which if you haven't seen as a movie where they
make all crime legal. There were riots across the country,
very few serious prosecutions of BLM rioters. There were assaults
(04:41):
on officers, all kinds of things happening. Well. Texas Governor
Greg Abbott yesterday issued a full pardon to a man
who had been convicted of murder of a Black Lives
Matter protester in twenty twenty in Austin, Texas. Now his
name is Daniel Perry. I want to just note that
(05:03):
because we're also going to be speaking in a second
here about Daniel Penny, who is facing a manslaughter charge
in New York City. But Clay, if you remember this
incident you had, Daniel Perry was effectively his car was
sort of stopped and surrounded by people who were BLM protesters, riders, whatever,
(05:27):
and one of them was walking around carrying I forget
what the rifle. I think it was an AK forty seven.
I forget it was some kind of rifle, obviously not
fully automatic. But he's carrying around a rifle. And Daniel
Perry is a guy who concealed carries and so and
I believe, I believe he has a military background. I
(05:48):
should go back and check to make sure. Daniel Penny
is a marine, as we know. But Daniel Perry drew
down on this protester because he said that he turned
toward him with his rifle and this guy responded. Daniel
Perry responded by shooting and killing this guy who was
waving a gun in his face on the street. A
(06:08):
lot of people said, if you walk around in the
street waving guns in people's faces, and you're doing so
while blocking traffic, which is infraction of the law. I'm
not saying it's a lethal force matter, but by surrounding
someone's car creating this circumstance, you are effectively inviting a
confrontation like this. In some way, Austin is very liberal.
(06:28):
Austin prosecuted this guy, who's going to send him a
prison for a long time. Texas Governor Abbott stepping in
and issuing a full pardon is a big deal, and
I think it sends a message about the direction of
law enforcement in not just Texas, but a lot of
red states going into this election cycle.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think it also speaks to the reality that we
have a completely two tiered justice system that's currently in
play in the United States, and if you are in
a red state, you have protections that you frankly don't
have in blue states and certainly don't have in blue cities.
And to me, it ties in with the prosecution that
(07:09):
we're seeing of Trump, which would never have occurred in
a red state, and frankly, I don't think there's a
red state jury that would convict him. And when you
look at what Alvin Bragg is doing in New York City,
where it's trying to put a former marine in prison
for a long time for trying to basically restrain a
(07:31):
crazy person who is making threats of physical violence on
the subway, it's lowering the actual penalties when it comes
to felonies of almost everybody out there who gets charged
with a violent crime, putting them right back out on
the streets, indeed, and not prosecuting the law fully based
on how he calculates the identity politics behind any particular
(07:55):
defendant out there. And so this is why I've said,
if you're out there right now and you have the
means to leave, blue cities and blue states, I don't
know why you would stay. I mean, again, you have
the means to leave, you have to find out financial opportunity.
A lot of people say, oh, I'm staying for a job,
(08:16):
or I'm staying because my kids are in school. I
understand all of those aspects, but a lot of you
don't have those restraints.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I don't know why you would stay. I mean, you've
made that choice yourself. Yeah, I'm moved from a blue
state to a red state, and having looked back, and
I would just say in a state that keeps getting
redder as well. So it's fun to be a part
of that conservative revolution in the Free State of Florida.
But by the way, Daniel Perry was an Army sergeant,
so he was a military veteran. The man that he killed,
(08:46):
I believe was also a Air Force veteran. And it
is notable given that these were BLM protests. It was
a white guy shooting another white guy. I think if
it had been a white guy shooting a black guy
these protests, you know you, you would have had even
more of a national focus on this. Obviously, a Black
Lives Matter protester who is black who was shot at
(09:08):
a protest is going to get more media attention.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Ties in with the Kyle Rittenhouse story, Buck, what percentage
of people thought Kyle Rittenhouse killed the black.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Guy a lot, which was a huge percentage of that story.
And and there are a lot of people who really
covered themselves in shame in the initial days even of
the Kyle Rittenhouse situation. But I would just note Daniel
Perry was serving He's out now thanks to Governor Abbott,
And I'm just going to say, Governor Abbot, was a
unanimous decision from the Texas Parole Board for this, or
(09:40):
Texas Pardon per Pardon and Parole Board, however that works.
It was unanimous for them, but it's still a This
is a move that shows some backbone from Governor Abbott,
and I think he deserves credit for that. Texas has
a stand your ground law. If somebody, you know, wave
(10:00):
a gun in your face and is pointing a barrel
at you and you have done nothing, and you think
that your life is in danger, you do not have
a duty. And I think this came up in the trial.
Oh he could have driven away or something. Well, if
someone's putting a rifle at you, they can turn that
car into Swiss cheese. It's not like, you know, you're
driving around in a bulletproof hum Vy or something. So
this was a big signal. And I think that it
(10:21):
goes to the lefts and the Democrats desire to make
us all subject to the whims of the state when
it even comes to whether you can defend yourself our
is self defense legal in blue states? Not really, And
that is really one of the most fundamental rights that
you can. I think it is the most fundamental right
(10:41):
that you have. So when a statist, authoritarian society decides, sorry,
because of the politics, your life may have to be forfeit.
People need to see that for what it is and
need to push back against it. And that then brings
me to Daniel Penny. You see, So, Daniel Penny's the
marine who joked Jordan Neely because he was a threat
(11:03):
to people on the subway. Everyone in the subway said,
this guy was acting like a maniac and screaming and
demanding money. He had assaulted a woman previously in the subway,
punched a woman in the face, and I think brokeer jaw,
and Daniel Penny put him in a choke hold. He
didn't mean to kill him, by his own admission, he
was just trying to subdue him. But he died and
(11:24):
he faces murder charges. Clay. It's coming up October eighth,
right a month before the election. That trial will be
happening as people are thinking about which party represents truth
and justice and the right to self defense. You're also,
I think seeing that story in Texas in the context
(11:44):
of a lot of people recognizing the overreaction that occurred
in the wake of George Floyd, and I think it's
part of the pushback against all of the insanity that
happened there. The pushback is happening more significantly in Red States,
but I think people are feeling it everywhere. And a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Later, we'll play some audio for you that also. I
think a lot of people out there are getting red
pilled who may have been Hispanic, who may have been Asian,
who may be Asian, Hispanic or black, and there's now
a fever pitch. I think that's on inside of the
Democrat Party to try to stop that from happening. Joe
(12:23):
Biden this morning speaking at the NAACP event in Washington,
d C. Trying to basically terrify black people with the
idea of what life might be like under Donald Trump.
The problem is, we've already seen life under Donald Trump,
and it was a lot better than life under Joe Biden.
And so I think all of that is part of
(12:43):
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Speaker 2 (14:13):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. Wanted to play you
a little something that I believe is indicative of Joe
Biden's collapsing support as we roll towards twenty twenty four.
Even in the entertainment industry, where you almost heard no
(14:33):
criticism of Joe Biden in twenty twenty, the late night
show hosts are taking aim at him, and he's obviously
a very fertile target. Here is Jimmy Fallon talking about
the debates being set up and just how mentally incompetent
Joe Biden actually is.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Listen, the first.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Debate would be next month, of which is the earliest
presidential debate has ever been. And if we're being honest,
an early bird debate feels right for these guys. Yeah,
Biden and Trump will meet June twenty seventh on CNN,
and one of Biden's debate conditions was not having an audience,
So that explains why it's on CNN.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Gad this.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Biden actually made the debate challenge to Trump in a
video that he posted.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Biden's talking smack.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Usually an eighty one year old doesn't get this riled
up unless you park in.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Front of their house, like, oh the other time I
forgot my line. No, no, I'll do it twice. Oh no,
Thank goodness and subtitles. All right.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
It may not seem like a lot, but ridiculing Biden
did not occur for the entire twenty twenty election. And
I don't know if you've picked up on this, buck,
but sports pop culture, the anti Trump universe does not seem,
at least so far able to mobilize in the same
(15:58):
way that it was during twenty twenty. In other words,
there doesn't seem like a lot of people lining up
aggressively behind Biden. Maybe it changes, but we're almost the
jewe now.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
There's nothing that they could say about Trump that they
haven't already said a million times. There's no joke that
they could make that has not already been made a
million times. They're out of new stuff. And you can
see that not only in terms of the way pop
culture and the commentariat treats all things Trump. You also
(16:29):
can see it in the way that this trial in
New York City is going on. There's nothing new here
at all. There's nothing new in this trial. This is
past the statute of limitations. It's a non crime anyway,
and they're trying very hard in the coverage of this
to make it seem like, oh my gosh, you know,
this is finally where justice will be done and Trump
(16:51):
will have to face the music, and the whole thing
is an absurdity. Right, So, when they've thrown as much
at Trump as they have, I think the problem is
there's this some degree of fatigue just from the share
repetition of doing what they do all the time against Trump.
It's not funny. All the jokes have been made. They're
not funny anymore. All the efforts to scare everybody have
(17:13):
been made. They can't scare them anymore than they already have.
I think that's where we really are.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I think you're right, and it's going to be interesting
because some of you out there are going to say, well,
they're just waiting. They haven't yet ratcheted it up. Given
where we have the debate that's taking place June twenty
seventh on CNN. To me, they're trying to start the
calendar earlier, and then obviously we've got Milwaukee in July
and then Chicago in August for the Republican and Democrat conventions.
(17:41):
I just think all the noise is not necessarily moving
people in any way. And I think that the entertainment
industry sports politics usually they weigh in. I don't think
it's going to happen, and I think even the comedians
are willing to tee off a little bit.
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welcome back in. We were talking about the Micael Cohen
testimony from yesterday, and I think it should be a
(19:06):
surprise to absolutely nobody. But they're acting like it is,
so I can't tell. I can't tell if they live
in some deluded world where Michael Cohen is not the
most obvious and loathsome of liars. But Anderson Cooper was
certainly not happy over at CNN because it's clear that
(19:26):
Cohen did not help the case against Donald Trump because
he got caught in some lies and some problems. Listen
to this.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
The last twenty minutes of court today, right before the
lunch break, it was incredible. I mean it was you know,
Elijnig on my program last night had talked about, you know,
on a cross examination, lawyers want to kind of put
the witness in a you know, build a box around
the witness and then slam it shut. That's what Todd
Blanche did to Michael Cohen. It was an extraordinary cross
(19:57):
examination by Todd Blanche and throughout the Michael Cohen when
he found himself in a corner, he does have a
pattern of suddenly not understanding the question that's being asked.
It seemingly kind of I mean, one could say buying
time to try to figure out how he wants to answer,
but he definitely suddenly starts to have Todd Blanche repeat
question since I don't quite understand what you mean. I'm
(20:18):
confused by the question. But this time Michael Cohen was
cornered in what appeared to be a lie. I think
to many in the room, you.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Don't say Clay. You mean the disbarred, disgraced, convicted felon
former attorney who went from being Trump's confidante to devoting
his life to trying to destroy Donald Trump. You mean
that that guy is not on the up and up
all the time. You mean that maybe Michael Cohen is
(20:49):
not the paragon of virtue they need him to be,
to be the quote star witness. I mean, it's this
guy and the porn star lady, and that's what's supposed
to be able to theoretically send Donald Trump to prison.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Cohen's the star witness. This case is essentially built around
his testimony, and Trump's defense attorney proved beyond a shadow
of a doubt that Cohen is a huge liar, and
that much of his testimony that they are relying on
for the prosecution to get a conviction here is rooted
(21:22):
and lies. And if we had honest jurors that were
truly representative of United States citizens, there is no way
on earth that there would be a conviction here. And
I actually think there's a decent chance if there were
an honest jury, we'd get a not guilty verdict, by
(21:43):
which I mean of the entire representative American public, because
I do think if this were a fifty to fifty jury,
six people could be persuaded this is not a crime.
You can believe that Donald Trump is venal, You can
believe that he is a liar. You can believe that
he is untrustworthy. You can believe that he is not
(22:06):
a human being that you would want your children to
aspire to grow up and be like all of those things.
You can believe that doesn't make him a criminal with
these particular charges that have been brought. And I think
what's been eye opening to people like Anderson Cooper who
just bought into the overall media narrative but have set
in that courtroom and actually watched the testimony take place,
(22:29):
is just how much of a house of cards this
entire case is and how weak it truly is. And
they won't directly say it, but when you hear clips
like that, you recognize that they're having a moment of
oh wow, how is this actually happening.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
So I think what we're seeing is it makes it
very clear that the verdict in the Donald Trump case
is if it's about the law, yeah, if it's about
people understanding what's really going on here. I don't think
you can convict Donald Trump if you're a person of
good faith really on the facts. Put aside, if I
(23:10):
were looking at this objectively as objectively as I can
as a neutral observer, this is a situation where you
would have to look at this and say they haven't
proven their case. Remember, this is a criminal standard. The
wins they've gotten before. Is this fifty one percent you know,
probable likely he did it, but we don't know he
(23:32):
did it. For civil trials beyond a reasonable doubt, there's
absolutely reasonable doubt here. There's not even really an established
crime here. It's a crime that's hung together with you know,
with bubblegum and scotch tape. That the whole thing seems sketchy.
They obviously timed it for the election. You're all that. Now,
(23:54):
that's on the one side. On the other side, if
this jury just thinks Donald Trump is bad, we should
prosecute it. I mean, we should convict him because he's bad,
then none of this matters, right, And that my concern
is that that's really where this goes, and that the
second thing will override the first in the jury deliberations.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I do think let's play these two by the way,
because I do think when you have MSNBC in cut
twenty here saying, hey, this was a real moment of
triumph for Trump in the cross x of Michael Cohen,
that has to be a bit staggering to the MSNBC
audience listen to Cut twenty.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Michael Cohen not only admitted that he is now less
than certain about what got discussed that day and that
it could have been both, but he's not positive. Given
the one minute and thirty something seconds of that phone call,
that makes the district attorney's.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Office look sloppy.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
In addition to making Michael Cohen seem like a self
assured either fabricator, liar or forgetful person, it hasts doubt
on the veracity of a ton of his testimony, and
not just about who he did or didn't talk to
on October twenty fourth or October twenty sixth.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
It sort of cast lots.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Of his testimony in doubt given the passage of time,
and makes a district atorney's office look terrible all in
one breath. This is a moment, a real triumph for
Todd Lands. You could even hear it in his voice.
Is not a person to get excitable very easily.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Okay, that's pretty big for MSNBC. CNN buck Cut twenty
one said the same thing, and if you haven't been
paying attention to my new detail. Cohen claims in a
ninety second call that he specifically discussed what was going
on with the payments for Trump, but also in text
messages he was complaining about some fourteen year old that
(25:41):
was harassing him. Ninety seconds, not a lot of time,
and so now he's saying he's not even certain what
exactly was talked about in that conversation. Here's cut twenty one.
By the way, that was what MSNBC was referring to
with the ninety second call. Here's cut twenty one, CNN
telling its audience the same thing.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
Michael Cone had one job to do, and that was
to put Donald Trump in the room and to have
Donald Trump part of the conversation concerning the making of
false entries and the books and records of the Trump
organization in order to influence the election. False centuries of
the misdemeanor elevated to a felony because it's in furtherance
of another crime, which is an election interference.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Election for it.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
Had one job to do and he couldn't do it
on something so simple. Tell us about a conversation, and
the worst part of it is on direct He sounded
so convincing, he sounded so slew so good. It was
such a good day for the prosecution describes the conversation
and then completely shoots the pooch where it looks like
that conversation absolutely actually never happened.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Done. This is in anything. This is what I mean
in any criminal proceeding, if your star witness comes across
to everybody like a liar and the whole thing really
turns on. I mean, he's more than a star witness.
He is the case. He's the only person that has
direct knowledge of this alleged absurd crime with Donald Trump, right,
(27:06):
I mean, he's the only one that this would have
occurred with. It's essentially Michael Cohen is Trump's unindicted co
conspirator in this. I mean, he was indicted plenty for
other stuff and serve a prison sentence. But you get
what I'm saying. It takes two to tango in this one,
and in this case, the guy that you need to
be rock solid to even make this absurd case seem
(27:31):
like it happened, never mind the fact that even if
it happened, it's preposterous, and he failed at that. So
now what we see is exactly I think, Clay what
I lined up a few moments ago, which is, if
they still convict they're just convicting Donald Trump. Yes, they
didn't even do a good job of proving the preposterous
crime that they say Trump committed. They're just He's Trump,
(27:55):
He's guilty. It doesn't matter. And I think you hit
on a really important point. There is ample evidence that
Trump is not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. This is
not a preponderance of the evidence standard fifty percent plus
a feather, which the other cases that he's dealt with
(28:15):
in New York City have been just based on Michael
Cohen admitting that he now is uncertain about what exactly
might have happened in that phone call. Is more than
enough for there to be reasonable doubt about the actual
specific charges in this case. I just hope that there
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is at least one juror that is willing to truly
apply the law and has been paying attention to vote
not guilty on this case and stand up to the
pressure in the event that other jurors are willing to convict.
I would also hope that there are multiple jurors that
are willing to say not guilty, because that would at
(28:58):
least give them maybe a little bit more support. We
talked about buck. If it's eleven to one that one
guy or gal who says no is going to we
believe eventually get outed and they'll be attacked and harassed
if they live in New York City because they didn't
do what the show trial was supposed to do, which
is convict the boogeyman, the bad man. If there's two
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or three, it diffuses the overall attack in a way
that one person, one patriot, one honest, actual juror maybe
doesn't have the same spine. I hope I'm wrong that
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Speaker 3 (30:47):
Speaking truth and having fun Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Welcome back in play Travis Buck Sexton show. A lot
of you want to weigh in on the Michael Cohen
testimony from yesterday that was so devastating to the prosecution's case.
We're going to talk about that here at the top
of the next hour with Andy McCarthy, but let's start
with Brent in Kansas.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Brent, you got a prediction.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
Hey, good to talk to you guys.
Speaker 9 (31:16):
I tell you what I listen to you guys every day,
but all the what if I'm getting I can't harder
take it anymore. This guy is gonna get a twelve zero.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
Acquittal. There is nothing that these guys have.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
To Brent, Brent, twelve zero your prediction. Where do you
live in Kansas?
Speaker 9 (31:38):
I live right in the center at Kansas, about two
hours from Kansas City to the west.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
All right, all right, I'm gonna make this bet. Buck,
you can be the witness. You guys can grab the audio.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Brent.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
If Trump gets a twelve oh acquittal, I will travel
to your hometown and I will take you out for
your favorite steak dinner in your town. Brent, this is
you called in to make this prediction. I think you
are crazy. I think there's no way there'll be a
twelve oh acquittal. But if you are right, in honor
(32:10):
of you calling your shot here on the show, on
this Friday, I will travel to Kansas and you and
I will go out for a steak dinner.
Speaker 8 (32:18):
Okay, I will take you up on that.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
All right, you can order the most expensive bottle of
wine on the menu together, my friend. So that's fuck.
I'm gonna I'm to ride your coat tails.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Stay on the line, Brent, they will get your information,
all of you out there listening. If there is a
twelve oh acquittal, if Brent has called it, then I
will be traveling to Kansas. I think there is a
zero percent chance, even though I think it. Thank you
for the call. Even though Buck, I think it's justified legally,
and I bet Andy McCarthy will as well. I just
think this is such a rig jury that there's no
(32:49):
way you could get twelve people to do the right thing.
I'm just hoping for two or three. I mean, I
know a grand jury will inde the ham sandwich. Everybody
knows the phrase, but in this case, I'm not even
sure it qualifies as a ham sandwich.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Like the fact that this went forward at all, period,
the fact that a judge has not thrown it out.
I mean, well every point, good point. Sorry to cut
you off. There will be a motion for a directed
verdict at the end of this.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Merchant is not going to grant it. He should based
on this tests. He absolutely should, but of course he
will not because he knows his judicial and legal.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Future is over. If he were to bail Donald Trump
out of this, He's going to go punch his pilot
on this one. He has no interest in being the
one that makes the decision. He's going to leave it
up to the crowd, or in this case, to the jurors.
I think that it's an even weaker It's an even
weaker case than we had anticipated it would be, not
(33:49):
on the on the on the sort of merits of
the facts, but really on Michael Cohen. This guy can't
find his way out of a paper bag. It's astonishing
that they thought that he was going to be so
much more capable in this than he was given the
reality of who he is. Do we have any other
calls up?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, Kathy in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida. Kathy, you were
on a jury and you wanted to talk about your
experience analyzing the testimony.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (34:18):
I was on a jury and I kind of had
a preconceived notion about the woman when I first saw
her and I heard her. But yeah, I got on
that jury. I was made the jury for person, and
the longer we sat through that trial, the more we
realized that the prosecution was not proving her guilty. We
went into the jury room for the verdict and we
(34:39):
all felt the same way. We knew she was guilty.
We knew it, but we also knew that we could
not condemn a woman to five years in jail without
the evidence being cruised.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
So in your case, you didn't think the reason even
though you thought she was guilty, you didn't think the
prosecution had carried the burden of beyond a reasonable doubt.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Right, you have to be so certain about this that
you will not lose a moment's sleep at night knowing
that a person could be in prison who is innocent.
That's really the standard.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
I'm curious when you went into the jury room, you
said you were the four person the first vote. All
twelve jurors or however many jurors were on your jury
all had the same agreement.
Speaker 10 (35:20):
Yeah, six of us on the jury all not guilty.
And can I just say one more thing. I've witnessed
jur a case down here in Florida, in Palm Beach
County of a police officer, and I'm witnessing how bad
our justice system is, especially down here, and this is
heartbreaking what they are doing to our police officers. And
(35:40):
on National Police Officer Week, everybody in the media needs
to go and look at what's happening to our police
officers and how many of them are being unjustly sent
to prison for just trying to do their job.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
There's no doubt there is an attack on police officers
that has occurred, particularly since twenty two, and it's been
elevated really quick. Louis and El Paso. We're headed to
the break here to finish the hour. Than Andy McCarthy,
what you got for us.
Speaker 11 (36:09):
Well, I just wanted to stay real quick. I've heard
a lot of discussion about the weakness of the case
against Trump and the lack of credibility of Michigan. The
point is this that I haven't heard. I prosecuted a
lot of cases down here in Texas, and the point
is there, unfortunately, some unethical prosecutors. And the point here
is just get the conviction. It doesn't matter how or where.
(36:32):
I don't think having discussed this with other attorneys, everyone
knows it's coming back on a field. But for the
prosecutor in that drawal room, it doesn't matter. I got
the conviction and a pellicer reversed it.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Would you have brought this case in Texas?
Speaker 11 (36:48):
Excuse me?
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Would you have brought this case you're a prosecutor in Texas,
the DOJ, the art
Welcome everybody. Friday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show kicks off right now. We've got a stacked
show for you when I in the state of Tennessee today.
So I'm enjoying all the Tennesseeans that I have seen.
The weather a little dodgy, but fun to be here. Nonetheless,
(00:21):
we have a whole lot to get you. I know
I was out yesterday on my way to this lovely state.
So we might return to a little of the continuing
outrage for the speech given by mister Butker, the kicker
who I have since looked into this Clay he is,
(00:41):
did you know, not only a fantastic kicker and graduation speaker,
but played first tuba in the orchestra. Because it wasn't
the flute.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
You wouldn't have been able to deliver that speech if
he had been a flute player back in the day.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I'm just telling you, man, tuba, that's right. You know,
tuba as an instrument is not usually one that you
would associate with being a multimillionaire athlete. But you never know, Clay,
You never know.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Do you know what chaos has happened in the world
of sports? I bet ninety percent of our audience knows
this right now.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well about the kicker and the speech no no butt
kurtin that story, Yes, that story is out there. The
city of Louisville arrested the number one golfer in the
world driving into the PGA Championship this morning, Scotty Scheffler,
and the entire universe has come undone because he anyway
(01:36):
that I've been following that this morning, and I just
it's as if we're in twenty twenty four, where the
world is trying to come up with the craziest stories
that could possibly headline everything. I mean, I never would
have believed the Kansas City Chiefs kicker would take over
the entire media story cycle for about forty eight hours.
(01:57):
And now the number one golfer in the world just
got arrested trying to drive in to go play golf.
I mean that you can't even come up with some
of these Matt climbs. He got arrested allegedly for running
over a police officer and dragging him with his Well.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
The video of the video of the running over and
dragging would suggest that it is not actually anything like that,
because this guy was in a yellow like a jacket
and he didn't know who he was and he just
started hanging on to the side of the car. But anyway,
and the fact that this could even happen, I bet
(02:31):
it's gonna the fact that golfers drive themselves to golf
tournaments maybe coming to a close soon because I imagine
the PGA doesn't want this to happen.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I mean, theoretically he's facing five to ten years in prison.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
So yes, that's what they're saying. Teed off and birdied
the first hole. So so he's been the process gag. Yes,
that's there.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So there you go. So the golfer who is out
there right now doing great job on the course, a
little bit more problematic out on the roadway, and we
have you know what, Actually, we'll go to the Michael
Cohen stuff a little bit later. The short version of
the very overcovered and a hype story I think from
(03:14):
a lot of the media is Michael Cohen is a
huge liar and everybody knows it. And it was a
bad day for the forces of law fair against Donald
Trump in New York City. So we shall discuss some
of that. But I actually want to start with this
because I think it could be something that not only
(03:35):
is worthy of our attention now, but down the line
the issue of how we handle crime. Keep in mind,
in New York City they have Donald Trump up for
thirty four felony counts, and in other cities all across
the country, as we know, they try to do their
very best not to enforce the law. They try to
(03:56):
go through some pretty extensive machinations at the level of
the prosecutor's office and the you know, with the district attorney,
state's attorney. They don't really want to enforce laws on issues,
particularly of violent crime, with the same kind of clarity
and honesty. I would say that they had been doing
(04:20):
for a while a lot of these cities, and so
you have crime rising. We talk about it here on
the show all the time. And we remember during the
BLM riots, all of a sudden it was like the Purge,
which if you haven't seen as a movie where they
make all crime legal. There were riots across the country,
very few serious prosecutions of BLM rioters. There were assaults
(04:41):
on officers, all kinds of things happening. Well. Texas Governor
Greg Abbott yesterday issued a full pardon to a man
who had been convicted of murder of a Black Lives
Matter protester in twenty twenty in Austin, Texas. Now his
name is Daniel Perry. I want to just note that
(05:03):
because we're also going to be speaking in a second
here about Daniel Penny, who is facing a manslaughter charge
in New York City. But Clay, if you remember this
incident you had, Daniel Perry was effectively his car was
sort of stopped and surrounded by people who were BLM protesters, riders, whatever,
(05:27):
and one of them was walking around carrying I forget
what the rifle. I think it was an AK forty seven.
I forget it was some kind of rifle, obviously not
fully automatic. But he's carrying around a rifle. And Daniel
Perry is a guy who concealed carries and so and
I believe, I believe he has a military background. I
(05:48):
should go back and check to make sure. Daniel Penny
is a marine, as we know. But Daniel Perry drew
down on this protester because he said that he turned
toward him with his rifle and this guy responded. Daniel
Perry responded by shooting and killing this guy who was
waving a gun in his face on the street. A
(06:08):
lot of people said, if you walk around in the
street waving guns in people's faces, and you're doing so
while blocking traffic, which is infraction of the law. I'm
not saying it's a lethal force matter, but by surrounding
someone's car creating this circumstance, you are effectively inviting a
confrontation like this. In some way, Austin is very liberal.
(06:28):
Austin prosecuted this guy, who's going to send him a
prison for a long time. Texas Governor Abbott stepping in
and issuing a full pardon is a big deal, and
I think it sends a message about the direction of
law enforcement in not just Texas, but a lot of
red states going into this election cycle.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think it also speaks to the reality that we
have a completely two tiered justice system that's currently in
play in the United States, and if you are in
a red state, you have protections that you frankly don't
have in blue states and certainly don't have in blue cities.
And to me, it ties in with the prosecution that
(07:09):
we're seeing of Trump, which would never have occurred in
a red state, and frankly, I don't think there's a
red state jury that would convict him. And when you
look at what Alvin Bragg is doing in New York City,
where it's trying to put a former marine in prison
for a long time for trying to basically restrain a
(07:31):
crazy person who is making threats of physical violence on
the subway, it's lowering the actual penalties when it comes
to felonies of almost everybody out there who gets charged
with a violent crime, putting them right back out on
the streets, indeed, and not prosecuting the law fully based
on how he calculates the identity politics behind any particular
(07:55):
defendant out there. And so this is why I've said,
if you're out there right now and you have the
means to leave, blue cities and blue states, I don't
know why you would stay. I mean, again, you have
the means to leave, you have to find out financial opportunity.
A lot of people say, oh, I'm staying for a job,
(08:16):
or I'm staying because my kids are in school. I
understand all of those aspects, but a lot of you
don't have those restraints.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I don't know why you would stay. I mean, you've
made that choice yourself. Yeah, I'm moved from a blue
state to a red state, and having looked back, and
I would just say in a state that keeps getting
redder as well. So it's fun to be a part
of that conservative revolution in the Free State of Florida.
But by the way, Daniel Perry was an Army sergeant,
so he was a military veteran. The man that he killed,
(08:46):
I believe was also a Air Force veteran. And it
is notable given that these were BLM protests. It was
a white guy shooting another white guy. I think if
it had been a white guy shooting a black guy
these protests, you know you, you would have had even
more of a national focus on this. Obviously, a Black
Lives Matter protester who is black who was shot at
(09:08):
a protest is going to get more media attention.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Ties in with the Kyle Rittenhouse story, Buck, what percentage
of people thought Kyle Rittenhouse killed the black.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Guy a lot, which was a huge percentage of that story.
And and there are a lot of people who really
covered themselves in shame in the initial days even of
the Kyle Rittenhouse situation. But I would just note Daniel
Perry was serving He's out now thanks to Governor Abbott,
And I'm just going to say, Governor Abbot, was a
unanimous decision from the Texas Parole Board for this, or
(09:40):
Texas Pardon per Pardon and Parole Board, however that works.
It was unanimous for them, but it's still a This
is a move that shows some backbone from Governor Abbott,
and I think he deserves credit for that. Texas has
a stand your ground law. If somebody, you know, wave
(10:00):
a gun in your face and is pointing a barrel
at you and you have done nothing, and you think
that your life is in danger, you do not have
a duty. And I think this came up in the trial.
Oh he could have driven away or something. Well, if
someone's putting a rifle at you, they can turn that
car into Swiss cheese. It's not like, you know, you're
driving around in a bulletproof hum Vy or something. So
this was a big signal. And I think that it
(10:21):
goes to the lefts and the Democrats desire to make
us all subject to the whims of the state when
it even comes to whether you can defend yourself our
is self defense legal in blue states? Not really, And
that is really one of the most fundamental rights that
you can. I think it is the most fundamental right
(10:41):
that you have. So when a statist, authoritarian society decides, sorry,
because of the politics, your life may have to be forfeit.
People need to see that for what it is and
need to push back against it. And that then brings
me to Daniel Penny. You see, So, Daniel Penny's the
marine who joked Jordan Neely because he was a threat
(11:03):
to people on the subway. Everyone in the subway said,
this guy was acting like a maniac and screaming and
demanding money. He had assaulted a woman previously in the subway,
punched a woman in the face, and I think brokeer jaw,
and Daniel Penny put him in a choke hold. He
didn't mean to kill him, by his own admission, he
was just trying to subdue him. But he died and
(11:24):
he faces murder charges. Clay. It's coming up October eighth,
right a month before the election. That trial will be
happening as people are thinking about which party represents truth
and justice and the right to self defense. You're also,
I think seeing that story in Texas in the context
(11:44):
of a lot of people recognizing the overreaction that occurred
in the wake of George Floyd, and I think it's
part of the pushback against all of the insanity that
happened there. The pushback is happening more significantly in Red States,
but I think people are feeling it everywhere. And a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Later, we'll play some audio for you that also. I
think a lot of people out there are getting red
pilled who may have been Hispanic, who may have been Asian,
who may be Asian, Hispanic or black, and there's now
a fever pitch. I think that's on inside of the
Democrat Party to try to stop that from happening. Joe
(12:23):
Biden this morning speaking at the NAACP event in Washington,
d C. Trying to basically terrify black people with the
idea of what life might be like under Donald Trump.
The problem is, we've already seen life under Donald Trump,
and it was a lot better than life under Joe Biden.
And so I think all of that is part of
(12:43):
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Speaker 2 (14:13):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. Wanted to play you
a little something that I believe is indicative of Joe
Biden's collapsing support as we roll towards twenty twenty four.
Even in the entertainment industry, where you almost heard no
(14:33):
criticism of Joe Biden in twenty twenty, the late night
show hosts are taking aim at him, and he's obviously
a very fertile target. Here is Jimmy Fallon talking about
the debates being set up and just how mentally incompetent
Joe Biden actually is.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Listen, the first.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Debate would be next month, of which is the earliest
presidential debate has ever been. And if we're being honest,
an early bird debate feels right for these guys. Yeah,
Biden and Trump will meet June twenty seventh on CNN,
and one of Biden's debate conditions was not having an audience,
So that explains why it's on CNN.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Gad this.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Biden actually made the debate challenge to Trump in a
video that he posted.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Biden's talking smack.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Usually an eighty one year old doesn't get this riled
up unless you park in.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Front of their house, like, oh the other time I
forgot my line. No, no, I'll do it twice. Oh no,
Thank goodness and subtitles. All right.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
It may not seem like a lot, but ridiculing Biden
did not occur for the entire twenty twenty election. And
I don't know if you've picked up on this, buck,
but sports pop culture, the anti Trump universe does not seem,
at least so far able to mobilize in the same
(15:58):
way that it was during twenty twenty. In other words,
there doesn't seem like a lot of people lining up
aggressively behind Biden. Maybe it changes, but we're almost the
jewe now.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
There's nothing that they could say about Trump that they
haven't already said a million times. There's no joke that
they could make that has not already been made a
million times. They're out of new stuff. And you can
see that not only in terms of the way pop
culture and the commentariat treats all things Trump. You also
(16:29):
can see it in the way that this trial in
New York City is going on. There's nothing new here
at all. There's nothing new in this trial. This is
past the statute of limitations. It's a non crime anyway,
and they're trying very hard in the coverage of this
to make it seem like, oh my gosh, you know,
this is finally where justice will be done and Trump
(16:51):
will have to face the music, and the whole thing
is an absurdity. Right, So, when they've thrown as much
at Trump as they have, I think the problem is
there's this some degree of fatigue just from the share
repetition of doing what they do all the time against Trump.
It's not funny. All the jokes have been made. They're
not funny anymore. All the efforts to scare everybody have
(17:13):
been made. They can't scare them anymore than they already have.
I think that's where we really are.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I think you're right, and it's going to be interesting
because some of you out there are going to say, well,
they're just waiting. They haven't yet ratcheted it up. Given
where we have the debate that's taking place June twenty
seventh on CNN. To me, they're trying to start the
calendar earlier, and then obviously we've got Milwaukee in July
and then Chicago in August for the Republican and Democrat conventions.
(17:41):
I just think all the noise is not necessarily moving
people in any way. And I think that the entertainment
industry sports politics usually they weigh in. I don't think
it's going to happen, and I think even the comedians
are willing to tee off a little bit.
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welcome back in. We were talking about the Micael Cohen
testimony from yesterday, and I think it should be a
(19:06):
surprise to absolutely nobody. But they're acting like it is,
so I can't tell. I can't tell if they live
in some deluded world where Michael Cohen is not the
most obvious and loathsome of liars. But Anderson Cooper was
certainly not happy over at CNN because it's clear that
(19:26):
Cohen did not help the case against Donald Trump because
he got caught in some lies and some problems. Listen
to this.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
The last twenty minutes of court today, right before the
lunch break, it was incredible. I mean it was you know,
Elijnig on my program last night had talked about, you know,
on a cross examination, lawyers want to kind of put
the witness in a you know, build a box around
the witness and then slam it shut. That's what Todd
Blanche did to Michael Cohen. It was an extraordinary cross
(19:57):
examination by Todd Blanche and throughout the Michael Cohen when
he found himself in a corner, he does have a
pattern of suddenly not understanding the question that's being asked.
It seemingly kind of I mean, one could say buying
time to try to figure out how he wants to answer,
but he definitely suddenly starts to have Todd Blanche repeat
question since I don't quite understand what you mean. I'm
(20:18):
confused by the question. But this time Michael Cohen was
cornered in what appeared to be a lie. I think
to many in the room, you.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Don't say Clay. You mean the disbarred, disgraced, convicted felon
former attorney who went from being Trump's confidante to devoting
his life to trying to destroy Donald Trump. You mean
that that guy is not on the up and up
all the time. You mean that maybe Michael Cohen is
(20:49):
not the paragon of virtue they need him to be,
to be the quote star witness. I mean, it's this
guy and the porn star lady, and that's what's supposed
to be able to theoretically send Donald Trump to prison.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Cohen's the star witness. This case is essentially built around
his testimony, and Trump's defense attorney proved beyond a shadow
of a doubt that Cohen is a huge liar, and
that much of his testimony that they are relying on
for the prosecution to get a conviction here is rooted
(21:22):
and lies. And if we had honest jurors that were
truly representative of United States citizens, there is no way
on earth that there would be a conviction here. And
I actually think there's a decent chance if there were
an honest jury, we'd get a not guilty verdict, by
(21:43):
which I mean of the entire representative American public, because
I do think if this were a fifty to fifty jury,
six people could be persuaded this is not a crime.
You can believe that Donald Trump is venal, You can
believe that he is a liar. You can believe that
he is untrustworthy. You can believe that he is not
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a human being that you would want your children to
aspire to grow up and be like all of those things.
You can believe that doesn't make him a criminal with
these particular charges that have been brought. And I think
what's been eye opening to people like Anderson Cooper who
just bought into the overall media narrative but have set
in that courtroom and actually watched the testimony take place,
(22:29):
is just how much of a house of cards this
entire case is and how weak it truly is. And
they won't directly say it, but when you hear clips
like that, you recognize that they're having a moment of
oh wow, how is this actually happening.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
So I think what we're seeing is it makes it
very clear that the verdict in the Donald Trump case
is if it's about the law, yeah, if it's about
people understanding what's really going on here. I don't think
you can convict Donald Trump if you're a person of
good faith really on the facts. Put aside, if I
(23:10):
were looking at this objectively as objectively as I can
as a neutral observer, this is a situation where you
would have to look at this and say they haven't
proven their case. Remember, this is a criminal standard. The
wins they've gotten before. Is this fifty one percent you know,
probable likely he did it, but we don't know he
(23:32):
did it. For civil trials beyond a reasonable doubt, there's
absolutely reasonable doubt here. There's not even really an established
crime here. It's a crime that's hung together with you know,
with bubblegum and scotch tape. That the whole thing seems sketchy.
They obviously timed it for the election. You're all that. Now,
(23:54):
that's on the one side. On the other side, if
this jury just thinks Donald Trump is bad, we should
prosecute it. I mean, we should convict him because he's bad,
then none of this matters, right, And that my concern
is that that's really where this goes, and that the
second thing will override the first in the jury deliberations.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I do think let's play these two by the way,
because I do think when you have MSNBC in cut
twenty here saying, hey, this was a real moment of
triumph for Trump in the cross x of Michael Cohen,
that has to be a bit staggering to the MSNBC
audience listen to Cut twenty.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Michael Cohen not only admitted that he is now less
than certain about what got discussed that day and that
it could have been both, but he's not positive. Given
the one minute and thirty something seconds of that phone call,
that makes the district attorney's.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Office look sloppy.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
In addition to making Michael Cohen seem like a self
assured either fabricator, liar or forgetful person, it hasts doubt
on the veracity of a ton of his testimony, and
not just about who he did or didn't talk to
on October twenty fourth or October twenty sixth.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
It sort of cast lots.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Of his testimony in doubt given the passage of time,
and makes a district atorney's office look terrible all in
one breath. This is a moment, a real triumph for
Todd Lands. You could even hear it in his voice.
Is not a person to get excitable very easily.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Okay, that's pretty big for MSNBC. CNN buck Cut twenty
one said the same thing, and if you haven't been
paying attention to my new detail. Cohen claims in a
ninety second call that he specifically discussed what was going
on with the payments for Trump, but also in text
messages he was complaining about some fourteen year old that
(25:41):
was harassing him. Ninety seconds, not a lot of time,
and so now he's saying he's not even certain what
exactly was talked about in that conversation. Here's cut twenty one.
By the way, that was what MSNBC was referring to
with the ninety second call. Here's cut twenty one, CNN
telling its audience the same thing.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
Michael Cone had one job to do, and that was
to put Donald Trump in the room and to have
Donald Trump part of the conversation concerning the making of
false entries and the books and records of the Trump
organization in order to influence the election. False centuries of
the misdemeanor elevated to a felony because it's in furtherance
of another crime, which is an election interference.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Election for it.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
Had one job to do and he couldn't do it
on something so simple. Tell us about a conversation, and
the worst part of it is on direct He sounded
so convincing, he sounded so slew so good. It was
such a good day for the prosecution describes the conversation
and then completely shoots the pooch where it looks like
that conversation absolutely actually never happened.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Done. This is in anything. This is what I mean
in any criminal proceeding, if your star witness comes across
to everybody like a liar and the whole thing really
turns on. I mean, he's more than a star witness.
He is the case. He's the only person that has
direct knowledge of this alleged absurd crime with Donald Trump, right,
(27:06):
I mean, he's the only one that this would have
occurred with. It's essentially Michael Cohen is Trump's unindicted co
conspirator in this. I mean, he was indicted plenty for
other stuff and serve a prison sentence. But you get
what I'm saying. It takes two to tango in this one,
and in this case, the guy that you need to
be rock solid to even make this absurd case seem
(27:31):
like it happened, never mind the fact that even if
it happened, it's preposterous, and he failed at that. So
now what we see is exactly I think, Clay what
I lined up a few moments ago, which is, if
they still convict they're just convicting Donald Trump. Yes, they
didn't even do a good job of proving the preposterous
crime that they say Trump committed. They're just He's Trump,
(27:55):
He's guilty. It doesn't matter. And I think you hit
on a really important point. There is ample evidence that
Trump is not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. This is
not a preponderance of the evidence standard fifty percent plus
a feather, which the other cases that he's dealt with
(28:15):
in New York City have been just based on Michael
Cohen admitting that he now is uncertain about what exactly
might have happened in that phone call. Is more than
enough for there to be reasonable doubt about the actual
specific charges in this case. I just hope that there
(28:36):
is at least one juror that is willing to truly
apply the law and has been paying attention to vote
not guilty on this case and stand up to the
pressure in the event that other jurors are willing to convict.
I would also hope that there are multiple jurors that
are willing to say not guilty, because that would at
(28:58):
least give them maybe a little bit more support. We
talked about buck. If it's eleven to one that one
guy or gal who says no is going to we
believe eventually get outed and they'll be attacked and harassed
if they live in New York City because they didn't
do what the show trial was supposed to do, which
is convict the boogeyman, the bad man. If there's two
(29:21):
or three, it diffuses the overall attack in a way
that one person, one patriot, one honest, actual juror maybe
doesn't have the same spine. I hope I'm wrong that
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Speaker 3 (30:47):
Speaking truth and having fun Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Welcome back in play Travis Buck Sexton show. A lot
of you want to weigh in on the Michael Cohen
testimony from yesterday that was so devastating to the prosecution's case.
We're going to talk about that here at the top
of the next hour with Andy McCarthy, but let's start
with Brent in Kansas.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Brent, you got a prediction.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
Hey, good to talk to you guys.
Speaker 9 (31:16):
I tell you what I listen to you guys every day,
but all the what if I'm getting I can't harder
take it anymore. This guy is gonna get a twelve zero.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
Acquittal. There is nothing that these guys have.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
To Brent, Brent, twelve zero your prediction. Where do you
live in Kansas?
Speaker 9 (31:38):
I live right in the center at Kansas, about two
hours from Kansas City to the west.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
All right, all right, I'm gonna make this bet. Buck,
you can be the witness. You guys can grab the audio.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Brent.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
If Trump gets a twelve oh acquittal, I will travel
to your hometown and I will take you out for
your favorite steak dinner in your town. Brent, this is
you called in to make this prediction. I think you
are crazy. I think there's no way there'll be a
twelve oh acquittal. But if you are right, in honor
(32:10):
of you calling your shot here on the show, on
this Friday, I will travel to Kansas and you and
I will go out for a steak dinner.
Speaker 8 (32:18):
Okay, I will take you up on that.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
All right, you can order the most expensive bottle of
wine on the menu together, my friend. So that's fuck.
I'm gonna I'm to ride your coat tails.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Stay on the line, Brent, they will get your information,
all of you out there listening. If there is a
twelve oh acquittal, if Brent has called it, then I
will be traveling to Kansas. I think there is a
zero percent chance, even though I think it. Thank you
for the call. Even though Buck, I think it's justified legally,
and I bet Andy McCarthy will as well. I just
think this is such a rig jury that there's no
(32:49):
way you could get twelve people to do the right thing.
I'm just hoping for two or three. I mean, I
know a grand jury will inde the ham sandwich. Everybody
knows the phrase, but in this case, I'm not even
sure it qualifies as a ham sandwich.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Like the fact that this went forward at all, period,
the fact that a judge has not thrown it out.
I mean, well every point, good point. Sorry to cut
you off. There will be a motion for a directed
verdict at the end of this.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Merchant is not going to grant it. He should based
on this tests. He absolutely should, but of course he
will not because he knows his judicial and legal.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Future is over. If he were to bail Donald Trump
out of this, He's going to go punch his pilot
on this one. He has no interest in being the
one that makes the decision. He's going to leave it
up to the crowd, or in this case, to the jurors.
I think that it's an even weaker It's an even
weaker case than we had anticipated it would be, not
(33:49):
on the on the on the sort of merits of
the facts, but really on Michael Cohen. This guy can't
find his way out of a paper bag. It's astonishing
that they thought that he was going to be so
much more capable in this than he was given the
reality of who he is. Do we have any other
calls up?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, Kathy in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida. Kathy, you were
on a jury and you wanted to talk about your
experience analyzing the testimony.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (34:18):
I was on a jury and I kind of had
a preconceived notion about the woman when I first saw
her and I heard her. But yeah, I got on
that jury. I was made the jury for person, and
the longer we sat through that trial, the more we
realized that the prosecution was not proving her guilty. We
went into the jury room for the verdict and we
(34:39):
all felt the same way. We knew she was guilty.
We knew it, but we also knew that we could
not condemn a woman to five years in jail without
the evidence being cruised.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
So in your case, you didn't think the reason even
though you thought she was guilty, you didn't think the
prosecution had carried the burden of beyond a reasonable doubt.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Right, you have to be so certain about this that
you will not lose a moment's sleep at night knowing
that a person could be in prison who is innocent.
That's really the standard.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
I'm curious when you went into the jury room, you
said you were the four person the first vote. All
twelve jurors or however many jurors were on your jury
all had the same agreement.
Speaker 10 (35:20):
Yeah, six of us on the jury all not guilty.
And can I just say one more thing. I've witnessed
jur a case down here in Florida, in Palm Beach
County of a police officer, and I'm witnessing how bad
our justice system is, especially down here, and this is
heartbreaking what they are doing to our police officers. And
(35:40):
on National Police Officer Week, everybody in the media needs
to go and look at what's happening to our police
officers and how many of them are being unjustly sent
to prison for just trying to do their job.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
There's no doubt there is an attack on police officers
that has occurred, particularly since twenty two, and it's been
elevated really quick. Louis and El Paso. We're headed to
the break here to finish the hour. Than Andy McCarthy,
what you got for us.
Speaker 11 (36:09):
Well, I just wanted to stay real quick. I've heard
a lot of discussion about the weakness of the case
against Trump and the lack of credibility of Michigan. The
point is this that I haven't heard. I prosecuted a
lot of cases down here in Texas, and the point
is there, unfortunately, some unethical prosecutors. And the point here
is just get the conviction. It doesn't matter how or where.
(36:32):
I don't think having discussed this with other attorneys, everyone
knows it's coming back on a field. But for the
prosecutor in that drawal room, it doesn't matter. I got
the conviction and a pellicer reversed it.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Would you have brought this case in Texas?
Speaker 11 (36:48):
Excuse me?
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Would you have brought this case you're a prosecutor in Texas,
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