May 10, 2024 • 36 mins
Buck hosts solo, with Clay on family vacation. Election looks good for Trump and Republicans now, because election is about much more than Trump, but don’t get complacent. Dem lawfare backfiring. Trump’s trial is not a "hush money" trial, it's a business records trial. MSNBC analyst: Trump lawyers are employing "nuts and sluts" defense. Steve Bannon appeal denied, could join Peter Navarro in prison for not complying with partisan congressional subpoena.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Friday edition of the Clay Travis en Buck Sexton Show
kicks off now, just Buck today. That would be me
Clay on a deserved vacation.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
With the fam. He'll be back on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
So you and I get to a rock out together
here on Friday and on Monday. We hope play's having
a great time. We got a lot of news to
get to with all of you. We're going to dive
into the Trump trial momentarily. A lot going on there
is actually just speaking to a friend of mine who's
been covering the trial, showing up there at the courthouse
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day in and day out. Trump calls out RFK Junior
and not on the abortion.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Issue, which was interesting. To be sure.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
We'll have updates on twenty twenty four, how the polls
are looking, how the race is going so far, more
on the campus protest, Israel Hamas war, and some other
odds and ends we will throw into the mix today.
I remember the lines were open eight hundred and two,
Ay two two eight A two. I love chatting with you,
(01:09):
especially on a Friday, so light up those lines. Okay,
we have this Trump trial, and I'll start with this.
Yesterday I saw a friend of mine here in Florida
on the street, and uh, he was walking a chow chow,
which I gotta tell you, I had realized this. I
knew what a chow chow was. I had never actually
(01:29):
met one in person before. They're very very particular looking, dog,
very sweet. But I was stopped and how to chat?
And he said, how do you think it's going? And
I get this question all the time from friends and
they see me, and you know, a lot of times
they'd like, I know you don't want to talk business,
but I got to ask you how it's going for
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twenty twenty four. And I always said, and first of all,
I always I'm always down to talk business because business
is politics and politics is life, and this is what
we discuss.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
But he asked about it, and he said, and I said, rather,
it's looking so good that I don't trust it. And
I think that's where I am from now until the
election day, meaning until we can have that beautiful moment
of celebration when it feels like things have been set
right and there's an end to this Biden nightmare. It's
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just full steam ahead. Have to keep the pedal to
the metal, have to do everything possible to make sure
we are putting forward the best possible case to the
American people for why it should be a yes red
wave this fall. I know that's not a term that
anyone wants to hear after twenty twenty two, or rather,
(02:43):
no one's using it after twenty twenty two. But a
red wave would be phenomenal, and it is certainly warranted.
And I think that there's increasingly a possibility that will
have a substantial advantage in the Senate, not sixty votes,
but you know, three, maybe something like that.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Four.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
And then also we will be able to get a
win of the House. Okay, but before I get ahead
of myself, this is what I said. I'm not going
to get ahead of myself.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I'm trying not to. I don't trust it.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
But here's why I'm already in this frame of mind
with what's going on and the trajectory of the country,
this moment in the history of the United States. This
is crazy stuff that's going on in New York City,
with the Trump trot, the fact that we're reporting on
the leading presidential candidate who is ahead of all the polls,
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showing up to a criminal trial in the city of
New York on the flimsiest pretext I have ever heard
of in my life, with the most obvious prosecutorial and
judicial abuse I've ever seen in any trial I can
think of, certainly based around something so absurd in the
(04:01):
first place. The fact that this is blowing up in
the faces of the Democrats so far, based on everything
we can see, is the ultimate poetic justice. Now we're
not there yet, and I know there's still a verdict
to come. The verdict is probably a few weeks out now,
but people are waking up.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Did this?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I do think there's a broader awakening happening right now
in America because we're not going to get everybody. You know,
there's a portion of the country that unfortunately has been brainwashed.
You know, brainwashed actually first appeared in the term appeared
in a column written in a newspaper.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
In Miami a long time ago. I had to do
with what was going on.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
In North Korea and with the communists. But I do
think there have been people that are effectively brainwashed on
the left, and we can't actually do anything to change
their point of view. But for anybody who is persuadable,
and we've heard some big names out there that have
started to see the light a little bit. I don't
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know if that's indicative of broader numbers, really, but we've
heard some big names for anyone who is persuadable. Biden's
stabbing Israel in the back, his absurdly weak explanations for
his faltering economy and stewardship thereof the wide open border,
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which we still need to be focusing on and talking
about a lot more. The Democrat disaster of crime policies
in major cities. I saw this horrific. It's all called
on video. This woman in New York City. New York
Post has it today. She is by this absolute barbarian
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He lassos her looks like with a belt around the
neck and chokes her out and then it's actually assault her.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's all on video.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
And you know, I see this and I think to myself,
First of all, this is moments where I am in
favor of the death penalty. And second of all, I'm
sure that he's been arrested many times before. I don't
know that, but they haven't caught him. I think the
NYPD has released the photo mark this down. The guy
who committed it was on the first of may this
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horrible assault and rape in New York City. We're going
to find out he has a long criminal record. We're
going to find out that Democrats, judges, prosecutors didn't want
to punish him.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
This is a prediction. I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Didn't want to punish him too severely, said he had
a tough life, and so arrest after arrest, he was
let out. And now somebody has suffered a horrible, violent
rape just walking down the streets of New York City.
Democrats are responsible for the policies like this that lead
to things like this incident. They have made a clear
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decision that leads to more of this, more rapes, more murders,
more burglaries, more carfef's, more suffering of people. And with
all of that going on, instead of the Democrats even
making an argument for why they're actually not that bad
or why they've learned some lessons and they're going to
change things around, it's let's try to remember thirty four
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felony counts. Theoretically, they could lock Donald Trump up for
this for the rest of his life. In theory, they
could try, Okay, the judge could just decide, yeah, the guidelines,
I'm going to ignore the guidelines. I know it would
go to appeals and everything else, but certainly a sentence
of incarceration is possible when someone says you have thirty
four felony counts against you. With all the things going
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on in the country, all the abject failures of the
Biden regime, what do they do. They turn around and
they weaponize the system against Donald Trump in the most
obvious and egregious ways, such that I believe now we've
reached a point where people, even people for whom Donald
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Trump is, they don't like his you know, his persona
or the way he approaches. They don't approve of the
way that he reacted to the twenty twenty election. They
you know whatever. There are plenty of people that have
problems with Trump.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
We all know that.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
But some of them who have problems with Trump understand
that this has now been elevated to it's bigger than Trump.
This is truly about the future of the country. Trump
is a critical component of this. But if you can
throw your political opponents into prison, or even just throw
them off the campaign trail and slander them for months
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with absurd prosecutions, and that is what is going on New.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
York is a It is a disgrace.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
To the legal system. What is going on in New
York City. If you can do that to Trump, you
can do it to anyone, and that is exactly what
is going on. Trump sees this. He is remarkably cheerful
and trump like for somebody who's facing for four different
(09:09):
criminal trials, including one that has already underway. But this
was him speaking today. This has cut one before his trial.
Listen to what the man himself has to say.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
On Saturday, we have a tremendous rally and how we
were going to be there in wild Wood, New Jersey.
It's going to be a big crowd and we're going
to be saying, alad we'll be.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Able to campaign on Saturday. And nevertheless, we have a
horrible gig order that hit Ala has never been on.
Nothing like this has ever happened.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
For witnessing is a first What your witnessing is the
first time this has ever happened before. Think about all
the times they used the term unprecedented against Donald Trump
to try to criticize or undermine him when he was president.
And of course, as we know, they were abusing the
term because it wasn't unprecedented. Other presidents had done things,
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but they just wanted to create this false surge of
outrage emotion at Trump all the time. It's become an
addiction Democrats, the Democrat Party, the American Left, the Kamis,
they are addicted to hating Donald Trump. This has become
the great distraction from the holes in their souls, from
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the lack of purpose that they have, from the stupid
decisions that they have supported or done themselves on COVID,
on crime, on the border. Trump is the ultimate distraction
for the left. He makes them think that they're always
the good guys, no matter what is happening, and no
matter what they have done. This is why it is
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so useful for them psychologically to establish Trump as the
end of democracy, the end of the republic, this great evil.
It is a delusion. It is a delusion that serves
a political purpose for the Democrat Party and a delusion
that serves the individual purpose for Democrats.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Of it doesn't matter if I.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Was triple masking and getting my fifteenth COVID shot and
talking about how I want to take illegal migrants into
my home.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I don't even know who they are.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I'm going to give them the guest bedroom, and we
don't need to lock up criminals. And why don't we
just have more regulation on the economy. It's not like
we already spend trillions of dollars on useless regulation.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Maybe we should raise taxes. The people that have.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Just that, that avalanche of bad ideas, of dumb ideas,
it doesn't matter that they're wrong, It doesn't matter that
there are awful consequences that we all observe from this.
The Democrats who believe in all of that, and notice
they basically believe in it all together, all at once,
same people who are on the campus is now, oh,
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Israel isn't apartheid state, cut off all the weapons, digest
all this nonsense, all the same. Donald Trump as the
American hitler, the fascist, the destructor of the American experiment.
Allows them to think that they are on the right
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side of all of this. They are on the left,
but they act like they're in the right. They get
to pretend, they get to costplay, costume play like the
bold counter revolutionaries, when really they are the Bolsheviks. And
all of this they are undermining our society. They are
kicking at the load bearing walls of our civilization and
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Donald Trump is just the fixation of all of this.
You know, when Trump says, They're not coming after me,
They're coming after you.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I just stand in between.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
There's a reason that resonates so well, and in these
criminal trials you are seeing it. Nobody could sensibly believe
that this is the last time they will use the
law as a weapon to get their way in politics.
And nobody can believe that they take the system seriously
and have any interest in protecting the system as it
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stands as a constitutional framework as a liberal, free society,
right liberal in the small L sense. Nobody can believe
that they actually care about our institutions when they are
doing the things that we are seeing them do in
that courthouse in New York City right now, with other
trials on the.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Way, and yet with all of the all of the.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Darkness around this, I still think that we're going to
come through this, and like I said, the ultimate poetic
justice here as possible. They're all in everything, including the
kitchen sink effort to destroy Trump and bring down the
MAGA movement and the Republican Party with it in this
election cycle. May be the greatest backfire, the greatest own
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goal if you will in modern American political history, I
do think that is possible. But I promise you we
will not celebrate early. We will stay focused, and we
will keep pulling apart the nonsense and the lies that
are out there and spreading truth to as many people
as are capable or willing to listen to it. Take
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(15:17):
So the Brad Case against Trump continuing on in New
York City, and this is interesting in a way in
ways that I think the Democrats had not anticipated. For
one thing, they believe that this would hobble the Trump campaign,
but I think in many ways it has invigorated it.
(15:37):
It has made a lot of people sit up and
take notice and say, hold on a second. Trump is
facing this down, and he's going to do a rally
this week, and he's out there campaigning Joe Biden. You'll
notice very limited coverage of what Joe Biden is doing.
You wouldn't be you wouldn't be remiss if you took
(15:58):
a step back and said, who's the president these days?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Really? I mean, who's actually running the show?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Does it really feel to anyone like we are in
a Biden presidency?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Now?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I know you could say, well, Buck, look at all
the crappy numbers and the failures, and no, no, I understand,
but we're really just in generic Democrat presidency with empty
shoot grinning Biden technically playing the role almost like he's
on a soap opera or something. By the way, he
could be that goy. Well, now he's probably too old
(16:31):
for that. He's actually too old to play as an
actor the role of president on TV. But he is
the president of the United States officially speaking. It is
not a surprise at all, my friends, that they're going
to continue with the all out assault on Trump, even
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as it is backfiring in their faces, because what else
have they got. They've got to play out this stratagem
has it unfolds, they have to continue on with the ambush, right,
even if the ambush is going bad and Trump is
returning fire, so to speak, what else are they going
to do? They've already committed. They can't walk. Could you
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imagine if they drop some of these trials they started
to say, oh, you know, turns out that prosecuting a
likely future president and former president's like not a great idea.
So we're just gonna forget about that whole J six case.
Let's just sweep that under the rug. Well, then they're
guaranteeing that Trump is going to be president, right, So
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they have no choice here, just.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Like I've been saying, noted that I have been right.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
For two years now that they have no choice but Biden,
because they have already the die.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Is cast.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
They have no choice here but to run with Biden,
and they have no choice but to keep running with
these prosecutions, no matter.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
How bad it looks for them.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
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Speaker 4 (19:00):
In the Manhattan High Money trial, a former president and
Donald Trump is not one of jal but something far more.
Basically is the District Attorney Alvin Bragg's case a joe?
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Is it a prakt? Is it a farce?
Speaker 4 (19:15):
On Thursday, the answers became clear. It's all in the above,
but it's also.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
An abominable abuse.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Of our justice system and a wretched assault from the
rule of law.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
As Johnathan Jarlid.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
That was President Trump who was speaking out again before
the trial today, this is really a part of now
the Trump campaign, he speaks out before his criminal trial
goes in, then comes out, speaks out again, dominating the
news cycle. As I said, who even knows if Joe Biden, Well,
he's never really running the country. But they're not even
making much of a pretense of Biden running the country
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at this point. It's just, you know, the puppeteers are
taking a break. I don't know what to say. They're
they're they're not making Biden dance around as much as
you would think, so they can continue with the charade
of Biden the president. And I mean on Monday, well,
I'll be with you talking about this on Monday. They're
(20:16):
expecting Michael Cohen to testify, and they're they're going through
all of this. You think about the man hours, the
time that is spent on this, that any prosecutor in
the United States of America would think that a week's
long trial of any American over a non crime with
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no downside for anybody except this theoretical belief that it
could have maybe affected the presidential election. I mean, if
they can prosecute Trump for this, they can prosecute anyone
for anything. And that is why this is so dangerous.
That is why this is so wrong. When Trump says
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that this is a farce. When Trump says this is, I,
to my absolute core, one hundred percent believe and agree.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
With all of that.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
And this is a travesty of the justice system. There's
absolutely nothing to this in New York City, but here
we are. It's like a nightmare that we can't wake
up from, although it might become the Democrats nightmare, and
this continues to be what we're seeing, which is I mean,
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I'll just say it. During the primary, Trump didn't have
to campaign very much, he didn't have to debate at all,
and he won and it wasn't even close. Now I
think it's going to be close with Joe Biden. But
I think the Democrats have greatly underestimated, or to borrow
from former President Bush, misunderestimated where this is actually all going.
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And Don Junior just just shared this out earlier this
morning as well. Judge Mrchan, who's doing he's the judge
of the New York City cases. We know he's doing
everything possible to tilt the scale against Trump, already holding
him in contempt, allowing Stormy Daniels to go into all
kinds of stuff. To be clear, I know this little
sidebar here, but they're only allowing Stormy Daniels to talk
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about this stuff in the courtroom because of the salacious
sexual nature of it. And their hope is that even
if they can't get the conviction, at least they're getting
a court record tarnishing Donald Trump, humiliating Donald Trump. That's
the whole And the thing is they've seemed to have forgotten.
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Can't humiliate Trump.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It's not gonna work. He doesn't care, and we don't care.
It's not going to change anything.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
They tried this with the Billy Bush tape right before
the twenty sixteen election.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
It's not going to change anything.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Their dirty tricks aren't working the way they used to.
But if this were about, you know, not not an
NDA having to do with you know, a sexual alleged
sexual encounter, right, But if this were just an NDA,
you know, a more general India, do you think that
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they'd really go into all this detail about what it is. No,
because it's irrelevant. Everyone agrees there was an NDA. An
NDA is not illegal. I don't like when people say
it's a hush money trial. You heard Alita haba Trump
lawyer on our show earlier this week agreeing with me.
This is a business records trial. The only issue at
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the only issue at hand is the recording of internal
business records. It's almost like you would be prosecuted for
how you listed something for your own bookkeeping purposes, and
not that it went to the federal government and you
cheated on your taxes. Just you listed it differently than
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they say you should have. Now you're going to go
to prison. And I still think that no one has
really dug into this. If it was an expense that
should have been listed because of campaign finance reasons, then
he should.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Have paid with campaign finance funds. Think about how crazy
that is. Oh, you're gonna period.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Imagine if Trump used campaign funds to start paying off
former porn stars to shut up about their crazy stories. Right,
what do you think you think the media would be
okay with that?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Oh, throw them in prison.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
But this is why it's a perfect encapsulation of how
they approach everything. It's he should go to prison for
doing what he did, and if he didn't do what
he did and did the other thing, we would try
to throw him in prison for doing that. Trump damned
if he does, damned if he doesn't that is at
the essence of this case.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
But I mentioned Don Junior. He Donald Trump Junior he
tweeted out.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
According to this judge merch on, Stormy Daniels's testimony is relevant,
but Mark Pomerantz, a former prosecutor in the AG's office
who wrote a book on.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
This is not relevant.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
So whatever can be done to prejudice the jury against
Donald Trump is what is being done. Whatever abuse the
judge can engage in, he is going to engage in. Now,
how are they covering this over on the other side. Uh,
this is fascinating. I want to come in and out
of this SoundBite with you because this was a wow
moment one of their top legal analysts over at MSNBC,
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and this is this is she describes what she calls
a I am quoting a nuts and sluts defense.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I never heard.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I tell you, I took pre law on college. Never
heard of the nuts and sluts defense. That's what she
calls it on cable TV. This is cut five. Let's
get into this and we'll make some sense of it together.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
As all the time, I sat through two Eging Carroll
trials and two cross examinations of Eging Carroll, and I
have to tell you I agree with Sue wholeheartedly. This
was very much what I'd call a nuts and sluts defense.
There was a portion of the cross examination where Susan
Necklace was focused on the fact that Stormy Daniels now
claims that she is a medium and that she communicates
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with dead people and has participated in a TV Store
TV series about the paranormal where she explores things including
the fact that at one point an ex boyfriend of
hers was inhabited by spirits. She was mocking Stormy Daniels,
shoe Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Hold on, hold on, okay.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I gotta say, I think that is really relevant to
whether or not you could believe somebody's testimony under elth
Did you hear all that? I didn't even know that
so other than the you know, spirits and mediums and
their boyfriend was inhabited by a spirit and you know,
I think I think if the woman who's under oath,
who's trying to stop somebody from becoming president and engaged
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in extortion, as we all know, I mean, the line
between extortion and having your lawyer extort somebody is something
the legal system really needs to take a little bit
of a closer look at and she violated the ndakind
I just also note that, so she has no honor
whatsoever in any of this. Okay, and unsurprising given what
she does for a living. I know the Left loves
to elevate, you know, porn stars. First of all, I
(27:23):
don't even like to term porn stars, you know, because
this call them stars. There's there's always this elevation of
it's it's effectively acting as a recorded prostitute.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
It's really very sad.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
That this happens in this country and that it has
been as popular as it is. But anyway, yeah, I
think it's relevant that she's, you know, basically sitting there
with a crystal ball and think she's speaking to spirits
in the room or something at some point.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah, I think that's relevant. But let's keep going here.
Play it.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
It wants the jury to think Stormy Daniels is a
liar and she is crazy, and she also wants the
jurors to judge her for her occupation. And Stormy Daniels
gave no ground on that. As Sue just said, she
might be an exotic dancer and adult film actor, but
she was very clear when Susan Necklace used the phrase
selling yourself to describe what Stormy Daniels was doing on
(28:18):
a tour where she was making appearances at clubs. Stormy
Daniels set her straight. I was not selling myself. I
was dancing.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I wasn't selling myself. I was dancing I mean naked.
And also she has sold herself. I mean, if you
are paid to have sex on camera with somebody, I
mean you are selling your corporeal existence. That is what
you are doing, right. You are engaged in a form
of exhibitionist prostitution. That is what is going on. Notice
(28:50):
though at MSNBC the way they described it, so Trump
can be trashed and bashed for anything and everything he's
ever done in his entire life, personally profession and that's
all fair game. But the lunatic porn star who broke
the NDA, who extorted Trump, who's obviously a little cuckoo
for cocoa puffs, how dare he questioned this adult film actor.
(29:15):
I mean, the way this woman, the way this legal
anilence describes it makes it sound like Stormy was up
for an oscar. Calm down, lady, Okay, we all know
what she was doing, and that is relevant. You're talking
about character believability. I think these things are very relevant
to the case. But look at look at the way
(29:35):
that they will do these twists and turns. Oh, it's
horrible suggesting that Stormy Daniels is some way untruthful and unethical. Yeah,
I think that's what the defense is suggesting. I think
that makes a lot of sense under the circumstances, but
it's also can you imagine dragging the country into this.
(29:56):
The entire Manhattan District Attorney's Office should just be hanging
their heads in abject shame.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Shame.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
You know, it's not a perfect place, but it used
to be under sy Vance and before that, for a
long time under morganhal the Advance wasn't very good, but
under morganhaw.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
It was a serious place. It wasn't a perfect place,
but it was a serious place.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
The District Attorney's Office in Manhattan is now a joke.
It is a place run by clowns for the benefit
of an emotionally unstable mob of Democrats in New York
and spread out across the country. And they do what
they do for the amusement of the clowns who love
MSNBC and CNN and think that the new York Times
(30:42):
front page is objective news. We're seeing this all and
it's clear as day. But it doesn't mean they're going
to stop. It doesn't mean they're going to slow down.
So we have to be prepared for the fight ahead.
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up here in just a few minutes. I want to
bring you some breaking news. Well, I guess I can
tell you what it is now and we'll discuss it
more than a few minutes. I think it merits a
(33:01):
longer conversation. Steve Bannon's appeal for his contempt of Congress
conviction has been upheld by the Court of Appeals in
d C. The Circuit Court of Appeals rather for the
District of Columbia has upheld the Steve Bannon.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Conviction.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Now, it does not mean that Steve Bannon, who is
a fighter for the right to be sure, does not
mean that he has to go to prison immediately. He
can appeal this to I believe, the full Circuit Court
en buanc or he can try to take it all
(33:46):
the way up to the Supreme Court. But this is
showing you the willingness that they have on the other
side to play rough Keep in mind, I think this
gets nowhere near enough tension, nowhere near enough attention that
they have already locked up. Peter Navarro, who was a
(34:08):
senior I mean I used to interview this guy during
the Trump years. He was a senior guy on trade
policy issues. He was really one of the architects of
the Trump China policy, where he was helping to finally
begin leveling the playing field between the US and China.
(34:29):
Peter Navarro, the guy's a senior citizen he's in prison.
He's actually serving a sentence in Miami here.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I don't know how long it is. I think maybe
he's already out. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
But he served a prison sentence. He went to I'm sorry,
ninety days behind bars. Ninety days is what they expected.
So he went in in March. So no, he's still
in prison. So a senior Trump advisor is in prison
for refusing to comply with a pena from the House
(35:02):
Select Committee. So a bunch of Democrat partisans in the
House of Representatives demand information that Navarro believes is privileged
as presidential communication that has to do with they say
January sixth, twenty twenty one, and he doesn't comply, and
they lock him up. They've actually done that. They're trying
(35:25):
to do that to Steve Bennon as well, who was
also at one time a senior White House advisor, and
somebody who they man the left hates banned, they hate
ben And I always say this, the more the left
hates a person, the more I'm like, he's probably a
good guy.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
He's probably getting it done.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
They hate Bannon, and good for him, by the way,
wear it is a badge of honor.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
But you see what's going on here.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
They're not just you know, whining about this stuff and
acting like they're using the raw power of the state
to punish people. I don't think enough attention has been
paid to the fact that they locked up Weiselberg, who
was a Trump accountant basically for the Trump organization, for
(36:15):
the most TICKI tacked nonsense tax crime. Oh he didn't
put that he had a company car and his tax returns.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I didn't even know you had to do that.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I mean, I'm not an accountant, but you know, and
who goes to prison for that? They sent Trump's accountant
to Rikers Island over the most absurd tax violation. So
you've got Navarro in prison, now Weiseelberg sent to prison.
They're trying to throw Bannon in prison. So when we
(36:46):
come back, let's talk about this. Are they trying to
throw Trump in prison? There's some updates on it. We'll
discuss
Welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Friday edition of the Clay Travis en Buck Sexton Show
kicks off now, just Buck today. That would be me
Clay on a deserved vacation.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
With the fam. He'll be back on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
So you and I get to a rock out together
here on Friday and on Monday. We hope play's having
a great time. We got a lot of news to
get to with all of you. We're going to dive
into the Trump trial momentarily. A lot going on there
is actually just speaking to a friend of mine who's
been covering the trial, showing up there at the courthouse
(00:36):
day in and day out. Trump calls out RFK Junior
and not on the abortion.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Issue, which was interesting. To be sure.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
We'll have updates on twenty twenty four, how the polls
are looking, how the race is going so far, more
on the campus protest, Israel Hamas war, and some other
odds and ends we will throw into the mix today.
I remember the lines were open eight hundred and two,
Ay two two eight A two. I love chatting with you,
(01:09):
especially on a Friday, so light up those lines. Okay,
we have this Trump trial, and I'll start with this.
Yesterday I saw a friend of mine here in Florida
on the street, and uh, he was walking a chow chow,
which I gotta tell you, I had realized this. I
knew what a chow chow was. I had never actually
(01:29):
met one in person before. They're very very particular looking, dog,
very sweet. But I was stopped and how to chat?
And he said, how do you think it's going? And
I get this question all the time from friends and
they see me, and you know, a lot of times
they'd like, I know you don't want to talk business,
but I got to ask you how it's going for
(01:49):
twenty twenty four. And I always said, and first of all,
I always I'm always down to talk business because business
is politics and politics is life, and this is what
we discuss.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
But he asked about it, and he said, and I said, rather,
it's looking so good that I don't trust it. And
I think that's where I am from now until the
election day, meaning until we can have that beautiful moment
of celebration when it feels like things have been set
right and there's an end to this Biden nightmare. It's
(02:22):
just full steam ahead. Have to keep the pedal to
the metal, have to do everything possible to make sure
we are putting forward the best possible case to the
American people for why it should be a yes red
wave this fall. I know that's not a term that
anyone wants to hear after twenty twenty two, or rather,
(02:43):
no one's using it after twenty twenty two. But a
red wave would be phenomenal, and it is certainly warranted.
And I think that there's increasingly a possibility that will
have a substantial advantage in the Senate, not sixty votes,
but you know, three, maybe something like that.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Four.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
And then also we will be able to get a
win of the House. Okay, but before I get ahead
of myself, this is what I said. I'm not going
to get ahead of myself.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I'm trying not to. I don't trust it.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
But here's why I'm already in this frame of mind
with what's going on and the trajectory of the country,
this moment in the history of the United States. This
is crazy stuff that's going on in New York City,
with the Trump trot, the fact that we're reporting on
the leading presidential candidate who is ahead of all the polls,
(03:41):
showing up to a criminal trial in the city of
New York on the flimsiest pretext I have ever heard
of in my life, with the most obvious prosecutorial and
judicial abuse I've ever seen in any trial I can
think of, certainly based around something so absurd in the
(04:01):
first place. The fact that this is blowing up in
the faces of the Democrats so far, based on everything
we can see, is the ultimate poetic justice. Now we're
not there yet, and I know there's still a verdict
to come. The verdict is probably a few weeks out now,
but people are waking up.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Did this?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I do think there's a broader awakening happening right now
in America because we're not going to get everybody. You know,
there's a portion of the country that unfortunately has been brainwashed.
You know, brainwashed actually first appeared in the term appeared
in a column written in a newspaper.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
In Miami a long time ago. I had to do
with what was going on.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
In North Korea and with the communists. But I do
think there have been people that are effectively brainwashed on
the left, and we can't actually do anything to change
their point of view. But for anybody who is persuadable,
and we've heard some big names out there that have
started to see the light a little bit. I don't
(05:10):
know if that's indicative of broader numbers, really, but we've
heard some big names for anyone who is persuadable. Biden's
stabbing Israel in the back, his absurdly weak explanations for
his faltering economy and stewardship thereof the wide open border,
(05:32):
which we still need to be focusing on and talking
about a lot more. The Democrat disaster of crime policies
in major cities. I saw this horrific. It's all called
on video. This woman in New York City. New York
Post has it today. She is by this absolute barbarian
(05:52):
He lassos her looks like with a belt around the
neck and chokes her out and then it's actually assault her.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's all on video.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
And you know, I see this and I think to myself,
First of all, this is moments where I am in
favor of the death penalty. And second of all, I'm
sure that he's been arrested many times before. I don't
know that, but they haven't caught him. I think the
NYPD has released the photo mark this down. The guy
who committed it was on the first of may this
(06:20):
horrible assault and rape in New York City. We're going
to find out he has a long criminal record. We're
going to find out that Democrats, judges, prosecutors didn't want
to punish him.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
This is a prediction. I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Didn't want to punish him too severely, said he had
a tough life, and so arrest after arrest, he was
let out. And now somebody has suffered a horrible, violent
rape just walking down the streets of New York City.
Democrats are responsible for the policies like this that lead
to things like this incident. They have made a clear
(06:56):
decision that leads to more of this, more rapes, more murders,
more burglaries, more carfef's, more suffering of people. And with
all of that going on, instead of the Democrats even
making an argument for why they're actually not that bad
or why they've learned some lessons and they're going to
change things around, it's let's try to remember thirty four
(07:20):
felony counts. Theoretically, they could lock Donald Trump up for
this for the rest of his life. In theory, they
could try, Okay, the judge could just decide, yeah, the guidelines,
I'm going to ignore the guidelines. I know it would
go to appeals and everything else, but certainly a sentence
of incarceration is possible when someone says you have thirty
four felony counts against you. With all the things going
(07:42):
on in the country, all the abject failures of the
Biden regime, what do they do. They turn around and
they weaponize the system against Donald Trump in the most
obvious and egregious ways, such that I believe now we've
reached a point where people, even people for whom Donald
(08:03):
Trump is, they don't like his you know, his persona
or the way he approaches. They don't approve of the
way that he reacted to the twenty twenty election. They
you know whatever. There are plenty of people that have
problems with Trump.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
We all know that.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
But some of them who have problems with Trump understand
that this has now been elevated to it's bigger than Trump.
This is truly about the future of the country. Trump
is a critical component of this. But if you can
throw your political opponents into prison, or even just throw
them off the campaign trail and slander them for months
(08:40):
with absurd prosecutions, and that is what is going on New.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
York is a It is a disgrace.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
To the legal system. What is going on in New
York City. If you can do that to Trump, you
can do it to anyone, and that is exactly what
is going on. Trump sees this. He is remarkably cheerful
and trump like for somebody who's facing for four different
(09:09):
criminal trials, including one that has already underway. But this
was him speaking today. This has cut one before his trial.
Listen to what the man himself has to say.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
On Saturday, we have a tremendous rally and how we
were going to be there in wild Wood, New Jersey.
It's going to be a big crowd and we're going
to be saying, alad we'll be.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Able to campaign on Saturday. And nevertheless, we have a
horrible gig order that hit Ala has never been on.
Nothing like this has ever happened.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
For witnessing is a first What your witnessing is the
first time this has ever happened before. Think about all
the times they used the term unprecedented against Donald Trump
to try to criticize or undermine him when he was president.
And of course, as we know, they were abusing the
term because it wasn't unprecedented. Other presidents had done things,
(09:58):
but they just wanted to create this false surge of
outrage emotion at Trump all the time. It's become an
addiction Democrats, the Democrat Party, the American Left, the Kamis,
they are addicted to hating Donald Trump. This has become
the great distraction from the holes in their souls, from
(10:19):
the lack of purpose that they have, from the stupid
decisions that they have supported or done themselves on COVID,
on crime, on the border. Trump is the ultimate distraction
for the left. He makes them think that they're always
the good guys, no matter what is happening, and no
matter what they have done. This is why it is
(10:41):
so useful for them psychologically to establish Trump as the
end of democracy, the end of the republic, this great evil.
It is a delusion. It is a delusion that serves
a political purpose for the Democrat Party and a delusion
that serves the individual purpose for Democrats.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Of it doesn't matter if I.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Was triple masking and getting my fifteenth COVID shot and
talking about how I want to take illegal migrants into
my home.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I don't even know who they are.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I'm going to give them the guest bedroom, and we
don't need to lock up criminals. And why don't we
just have more regulation on the economy. It's not like
we already spend trillions of dollars on useless regulation.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Maybe we should raise taxes. The people that have.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Just that, that avalanche of bad ideas, of dumb ideas,
it doesn't matter that they're wrong, It doesn't matter that
there are awful consequences that we all observe from this.
The Democrats who believe in all of that, and notice
they basically believe in it all together, all at once,
same people who are on the campus is now, oh,
(11:43):
Israel isn't apartheid state, cut off all the weapons, digest
all this nonsense, all the same. Donald Trump as the
American hitler, the fascist, the destructor of the American experiment.
Allows them to think that they are on the right
(12:03):
side of all of this. They are on the left,
but they act like they're in the right. They get
to pretend, they get to costplay, costume play like the
bold counter revolutionaries, when really they are the Bolsheviks. And
all of this they are undermining our society. They are
kicking at the load bearing walls of our civilization and
(12:26):
Donald Trump is just the fixation of all of this.
You know, when Trump says, They're not coming after me,
They're coming after you.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I just stand in between.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
There's a reason that resonates so well, and in these
criminal trials you are seeing it. Nobody could sensibly believe
that this is the last time they will use the
law as a weapon to get their way in politics.
And nobody can believe that they take the system seriously
and have any interest in protecting the system as it
(12:55):
stands as a constitutional framework as a liberal, free society,
right liberal in the small L sense. Nobody can believe
that they actually care about our institutions when they are
doing the things that we are seeing them do in
that courthouse in New York City right now, with other
trials on the.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Way, and yet with all of the all of the.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Darkness around this, I still think that we're going to
come through this, and like I said, the ultimate poetic
justice here as possible. They're all in everything, including the
kitchen sink effort to destroy Trump and bring down the
MAGA movement and the Republican Party with it in this
election cycle. May be the greatest backfire, the greatest own
(13:44):
goal if you will in modern American political history, I
do think that is possible. But I promise you we
will not celebrate early. We will stay focused, and we
will keep pulling apart the nonsense and the lies that
are out there and spreading truth to as many people
as are capable or willing to listen to it. Take
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(15:17):
So the Brad Case against Trump continuing on in New
York City, and this is interesting in a way in
ways that I think the Democrats had not anticipated. For
one thing, they believe that this would hobble the Trump campaign,
but I think in many ways it has invigorated it.
(15:37):
It has made a lot of people sit up and
take notice and say, hold on a second. Trump is
facing this down, and he's going to do a rally
this week, and he's out there campaigning Joe Biden. You'll
notice very limited coverage of what Joe Biden is doing.
You wouldn't be you wouldn't be remiss if you took
(15:58):
a step back and said, who's the president these days?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Really? I mean, who's actually running the show?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Does it really feel to anyone like we are in
a Biden presidency?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Now?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I know you could say, well, Buck, look at all
the crappy numbers and the failures, and no, no, I understand,
but we're really just in generic Democrat presidency with empty
shoot grinning Biden technically playing the role almost like he's
on a soap opera or something. By the way, he
could be that goy. Well, now he's probably too old
(16:31):
for that. He's actually too old to play as an
actor the role of president on TV. But he is
the president of the United States officially speaking. It is
not a surprise at all, my friends, that they're going
to continue with the all out assault on Trump, even
(16:52):
as it is backfiring in their faces, because what else
have they got. They've got to play out this stratagem
has it unfolds, they have to continue on with the ambush, right,
even if the ambush is going bad and Trump is
returning fire, so to speak, what else are they going
to do? They've already committed. They can't walk. Could you
(17:15):
imagine if they drop some of these trials they started
to say, oh, you know, turns out that prosecuting a
likely future president and former president's like not a great idea.
So we're just gonna forget about that whole J six case.
Let's just sweep that under the rug. Well, then they're
guaranteeing that Trump is going to be president, right, So
(17:35):
they have no choice here, just.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Like I've been saying, noted that I have been right.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
For two years now that they have no choice but Biden,
because they have already the die.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Is cast.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
They have no choice here but to run with Biden,
and they have no choice but to keep running with
these prosecutions, no matter.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
How bad it looks for them.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
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Speaker 4 (19:00):
In the Manhattan High Money trial, a former president and
Donald Trump is not one of jal but something far more.
Basically is the District Attorney Alvin Bragg's case a joe?
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Is it a prakt? Is it a farce?
Speaker 4 (19:15):
On Thursday, the answers became clear. It's all in the above,
but it's also.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
An abominable abuse.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Of our justice system and a wretched assault from the
rule of law.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
As Johnathan Jarlid.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
That was President Trump who was speaking out again before
the trial today, this is really a part of now
the Trump campaign, he speaks out before his criminal trial
goes in, then comes out, speaks out again, dominating the
news cycle. As I said, who even knows if Joe Biden, Well,
he's never really running the country. But they're not even
making much of a pretense of Biden running the country
(19:55):
at this point. It's just, you know, the puppeteers are
taking a break. I don't know what to say. They're
they're they're not making Biden dance around as much as
you would think, so they can continue with the charade
of Biden the president. And I mean on Monday, well,
I'll be with you talking about this on Monday. They're
(20:16):
expecting Michael Cohen to testify, and they're they're going through
all of this. You think about the man hours, the
time that is spent on this, that any prosecutor in
the United States of America would think that a week's
long trial of any American over a non crime with
(20:37):
no downside for anybody except this theoretical belief that it
could have maybe affected the presidential election. I mean, if
they can prosecute Trump for this, they can prosecute anyone
for anything. And that is why this is so dangerous.
That is why this is so wrong. When Trump says
(20:57):
that this is a farce. When Trump says this is, I,
to my absolute core, one hundred percent believe and agree.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
With all of that.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
And this is a travesty of the justice system. There's
absolutely nothing to this in New York City, but here
we are. It's like a nightmare that we can't wake
up from, although it might become the Democrats nightmare, and
this continues to be what we're seeing, which is I mean,
(21:28):
I'll just say it. During the primary, Trump didn't have
to campaign very much, he didn't have to debate at all,
and he won and it wasn't even close. Now I
think it's going to be close with Joe Biden. But
I think the Democrats have greatly underestimated, or to borrow
from former President Bush, misunderestimated where this is actually all going.
(21:54):
And Don Junior just just shared this out earlier this
morning as well. Judge Mrchan, who's doing he's the judge
of the New York City cases. We know he's doing
everything possible to tilt the scale against Trump, already holding
him in contempt, allowing Stormy Daniels to go into all
kinds of stuff. To be clear, I know this little
sidebar here, but they're only allowing Stormy Daniels to talk
(22:18):
about this stuff in the courtroom because of the salacious
sexual nature of it. And their hope is that even
if they can't get the conviction, at least they're getting
a court record tarnishing Donald Trump, humiliating Donald Trump. That's
the whole And the thing is they've seemed to have forgotten.
(22:38):
Can't humiliate Trump.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It's not gonna work. He doesn't care, and we don't care.
It's not going to change anything.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
They tried this with the Billy Bush tape right before
the twenty sixteen election.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
It's not going to change anything.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Their dirty tricks aren't working the way they used to.
But if this were about, you know, not not an
NDA having to do with you know, a sexual alleged
sexual encounter, right, But if this were just an NDA,
you know, a more general India, do you think that
(23:12):
they'd really go into all this detail about what it is. No,
because it's irrelevant. Everyone agrees there was an NDA. An
NDA is not illegal. I don't like when people say
it's a hush money trial. You heard Alita haba Trump
lawyer on our show earlier this week agreeing with me.
This is a business records trial. The only issue at
(23:35):
the only issue at hand is the recording of internal
business records. It's almost like you would be prosecuted for
how you listed something for your own bookkeeping purposes, and
not that it went to the federal government and you
cheated on your taxes. Just you listed it differently than
(23:55):
they say you should have. Now you're going to go
to prison. And I still think that no one has
really dug into this. If it was an expense that
should have been listed because of campaign finance reasons, then
he should.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Have paid with campaign finance funds. Think about how crazy
that is. Oh, you're gonna period.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Imagine if Trump used campaign funds to start paying off
former porn stars to shut up about their crazy stories. Right,
what do you think you think the media would be
okay with that?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Oh, throw them in prison.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
But this is why it's a perfect encapsulation of how
they approach everything. It's he should go to prison for
doing what he did, and if he didn't do what
he did and did the other thing, we would try
to throw him in prison for doing that. Trump damned
if he does, damned if he doesn't that is at
the essence of this case.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
But I mentioned Don Junior. He Donald Trump Junior he
tweeted out.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
According to this judge merch on, Stormy Daniels's testimony is relevant,
but Mark Pomerantz, a former prosecutor in the AG's office
who wrote a book on.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
This is not relevant.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
So whatever can be done to prejudice the jury against
Donald Trump is what is being done. Whatever abuse the
judge can engage in, he is going to engage in. Now,
how are they covering this over on the other side. Uh,
this is fascinating. I want to come in and out
of this SoundBite with you because this was a wow
moment one of their top legal analysts over at MSNBC,
(25:40):
and this is this is she describes what she calls
a I am quoting a nuts and sluts defense.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I never heard.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I tell you, I took pre law on college. Never
heard of the nuts and sluts defense. That's what she
calls it on cable TV. This is cut five. Let's
get into this and we'll make some sense of it together.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
As all the time, I sat through two Eging Carroll
trials and two cross examinations of Eging Carroll, and I
have to tell you I agree with Sue wholeheartedly. This
was very much what I'd call a nuts and sluts defense.
There was a portion of the cross examination where Susan
Necklace was focused on the fact that Stormy Daniels now
claims that she is a medium and that she communicates
(26:19):
with dead people and has participated in a TV Store
TV series about the paranormal where she explores things including
the fact that at one point an ex boyfriend of
hers was inhabited by spirits. She was mocking Stormy Daniels,
shoe Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Hold on, hold on, okay.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I gotta say, I think that is really relevant to
whether or not you could believe somebody's testimony under elth
Did you hear all that? I didn't even know that
so other than the you know, spirits and mediums and
their boyfriend was inhabited by a spirit and you know,
I think I think if the woman who's under oath,
who's trying to stop somebody from becoming president and engaged
(27:00):
in extortion, as we all know, I mean, the line
between extortion and having your lawyer extort somebody is something
the legal system really needs to take a little bit
of a closer look at and she violated the ndakind
I just also note that, so she has no honor
whatsoever in any of this. Okay, and unsurprising given what
she does for a living. I know the Left loves
to elevate, you know, porn stars. First of all, I
(27:23):
don't even like to term porn stars, you know, because
this call them stars. There's there's always this elevation of
it's it's effectively acting as a recorded prostitute.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
It's really very sad.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
That this happens in this country and that it has
been as popular as it is. But anyway, yeah, I
think it's relevant that she's, you know, basically sitting there
with a crystal ball and think she's speaking to spirits
in the room or something at some point.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah, I think that's relevant. But let's keep going here.
Play it.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
It wants the jury to think Stormy Daniels is a
liar and she is crazy, and she also wants the
jurors to judge her for her occupation. And Stormy Daniels
gave no ground on that. As Sue just said, she
might be an exotic dancer and adult film actor, but
she was very clear when Susan Necklace used the phrase
selling yourself to describe what Stormy Daniels was doing on
(28:18):
a tour where she was making appearances at clubs. Stormy
Daniels set her straight. I was not selling myself. I
was dancing.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I wasn't selling myself. I was dancing I mean naked.
And also she has sold herself. I mean, if you
are paid to have sex on camera with somebody, I
mean you are selling your corporeal existence. That is what
you are doing, right. You are engaged in a form
of exhibitionist prostitution. That is what is going on. Notice
(28:50):
though at MSNBC the way they described it, so Trump
can be trashed and bashed for anything and everything he's
ever done in his entire life, personally profession and that's
all fair game. But the lunatic porn star who broke
the NDA, who extorted Trump, who's obviously a little cuckoo
for cocoa puffs, how dare he questioned this adult film actor.
(29:15):
I mean, the way this woman, the way this legal
anilence describes it makes it sound like Stormy was up
for an oscar. Calm down, lady, Okay, we all know
what she was doing, and that is relevant. You're talking
about character believability. I think these things are very relevant
to the case. But look at look at the way
(29:35):
that they will do these twists and turns. Oh, it's
horrible suggesting that Stormy Daniels is some way untruthful and unethical. Yeah,
I think that's what the defense is suggesting. I think
that makes a lot of sense under the circumstances, but
it's also can you imagine dragging the country into this.
(29:56):
The entire Manhattan District Attorney's Office should just be hanging
their heads in abject shame.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Shame.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
You know, it's not a perfect place, but it used
to be under sy Vance and before that, for a
long time under morganhal the Advance wasn't very good, but
under morganhaw.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
It was a serious place. It wasn't a perfect place,
but it was a serious place.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
The District Attorney's Office in Manhattan is now a joke.
It is a place run by clowns for the benefit
of an emotionally unstable mob of Democrats in New York
and spread out across the country. And they do what
they do for the amusement of the clowns who love
MSNBC and CNN and think that the new York Times
(30:42):
front page is objective news. We're seeing this all and
it's clear as day. But it doesn't mean they're going
to stop. It doesn't mean they're going to slow down.
So we have to be prepared for the fight ahead.
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up here in just a few minutes. I want to
bring you some breaking news. Well, I guess I can
tell you what it is now and we'll discuss it
more than a few minutes. I think it merits a
(33:01):
longer conversation. Steve Bannon's appeal for his contempt of Congress
conviction has been upheld by the Court of Appeals in
d C. The Circuit Court of Appeals rather for the
District of Columbia has upheld the Steve Bannon.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Conviction.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Now, it does not mean that Steve Bannon, who is
a fighter for the right to be sure, does not
mean that he has to go to prison immediately. He
can appeal this to I believe, the full Circuit Court
en buanc or he can try to take it all
(33:46):
the way up to the Supreme Court. But this is
showing you the willingness that they have on the other
side to play rough Keep in mind, I think this
gets nowhere near enough tension, nowhere near enough attention that
they have already locked up. Peter Navarro, who was a
(34:08):
senior I mean I used to interview this guy during
the Trump years. He was a senior guy on trade
policy issues. He was really one of the architects of
the Trump China policy, where he was helping to finally
begin leveling the playing field between the US and China.
(34:29):
Peter Navarro, the guy's a senior citizen he's in prison.
He's actually serving a sentence in Miami here.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I don't know how long it is. I think maybe
he's already out. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
But he served a prison sentence. He went to I'm sorry,
ninety days behind bars. Ninety days is what they expected.
So he went in in March. So no, he's still
in prison. So a senior Trump advisor is in prison
for refusing to comply with a pena from the House
(35:02):
Select Committee. So a bunch of Democrat partisans in the
House of Representatives demand information that Navarro believes is privileged
as presidential communication that has to do with they say
January sixth, twenty twenty one, and he doesn't comply, and
they lock him up. They've actually done that. They're trying
(35:25):
to do that to Steve Bennon as well, who was
also at one time a senior White House advisor, and
somebody who they man the left hates banned, they hate
ben And I always say this, the more the left
hates a person, the more I'm like, he's probably a
good guy.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
He's probably getting it done.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
They hate Bannon, and good for him, by the way,
wear it is a badge of honor.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
But you see what's going on here.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
They're not just you know, whining about this stuff and
acting like they're using the raw power of the state
to punish people. I don't think enough attention has been
paid to the fact that they locked up Weiselberg, who
was a Trump accountant basically for the Trump organization, for
(36:15):
the most TICKI tacked nonsense tax crime. Oh he didn't
put that he had a company car and his tax returns.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I didn't even know you had to do that.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I mean, I'm not an accountant, but you know, and
who goes to prison for that? They sent Trump's accountant
to Rikers Island over the most absurd tax violation. So
you've got Navarro in prison, now Weiseelberg sent to prison.
They're trying to throw Bannon in prison. So when we
(36:46):
come back, let's talk about this. Are they trying to
throw Trump in prison? There's some updates on it. We'll
discuss
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