April 17, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives into several pressing topics. The show begins with a discussion on Harvard's tax-exempt status being rescinded under Trump's administration, highlighting the political implications and reactions from Democrats. The hosts then address the DOJ's stance on transgender athletes, focusing on safety concerns for young women competing against trans individuals.
A poignant segment features Patty Morin, whose daughter was killed by an illegal alien, sharing her thoughts from a White House appearance. The conversation shifts to George Clooney's op-ed criticizing Biden, with the hosts debating the bravery of such statements. They also delve into the controversy surrounding Maryland Democrat Senator's visit to El Salvador, discussing the political and legal ramifications of deporting an alleged MS-13 gang member, Mr. Abrego Garcia.
The hosts argue that Democrats have chosen a poor figure to represent their resistance to Trump's deportation policies, citing Garcia's criminal background, including domestic violence and suspected human trafficking. They juxtapose this with the tragic story of an American citizen killed by an illegal immigrant, emphasizing the Democrats' misplaced priorities.
Throughout the hour, Clay and Buck engage in a heated debate on immigration policies, the rule of law, and the Democrats' stance on illegal immigrants. They invite listeners to share their opinions, questioning the rationale behind defending Garcia's return to the U.S. The show concludes with a discussion on the broader implications of immigration enforcement and the political landscape.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of the Clay Travis d Box
Sexton Show kicks off right now. Much to discuss with
all of you. Harvard, also known as Harvard, some of
our bosson night listeners, is facing an IRS move under
Trump's administration to rescind the tax exempt status of this
(00:27):
storied university. And this is getting a lot of attention
from Democrats who realize that their cathedral, if you will,
which is elite higher education, is coming under pressure in
a way that they really have never before. We also
have that I don't think we got to the DOJ
(00:49):
transgender athlete main story yesterday, Clay, right, we had mentioned it,
so we want to spend a little time on that
one today, and it goes to the issues of safety
concerns and whether there are safety concerns for some of
the or for young women who end up having to
compete with these individuals who are trans We had a
(01:14):
special guest yesterday who appeared in the White House to
speak out, Patty Morin, whose daughter was killed by an
illegal alien in Maryland. She spoke at the White House
and that will bring you some of her thoughts also, Clay,
just a little side note because I'll take any excuse
to throw shade at George Clooney. George Clooney was sitting
(01:37):
down with CNN to talk about the bravery of writing
his op ed to finally say that Biden, it is
not brave when you are caught. I'm just going to say,
there is no bravery when your team has already fumbled
the ball and the other team is trying to take
it into your end zone. We shall discuss them a
little bit of that first thing, though, Clay, you know
(02:00):
you are deep on the reading on this one. You
were going deep down the rabbit hole because new information
came out while the Maryland Democrat senator was down in
El Salvador yesterday. There are a lot of memes flying
around about this that some of you may have seen online.
But the Maryland senator who went down there decided that
(02:21):
he was going to make mister Abrago Garcia a major concern.
This is now the primary method, the primary avenue of
attack against the Trump administration. I think, Clay, we're getting
into a place where they have made this all about
due process and the system, and I think there's a
(02:43):
strong argument for Trump at this point that you can't
have an illegal brought back into America for the purpose
of kicking him out of America. Like there's something crazy.
There's just something inherently crazy about that. But also they're
they're martyr in this case, mister Abrago gar Garcia. We
have found out this may be a politically forget about
(03:05):
the legal wrangling. This may be a politically unwise choice
for Democrats to go all in for the return of
this alleged MS thirteen gang member.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I said six months ago when Trump won that I
thought the resistance to a large extent on a deportation front,
would come when Democrats found an individual that they believed
was unjustly deported and tried to use that anecdote as
a way to attack the entire deportation concept in general.
(03:40):
And they did, and they picked this kilmar Garcia guy
and said, oh my goodness, this is a Maryland dad.
There's no basis whatsoever to have deported him. He's not
a gang member, he hasn't done anything wrong. He's a
loving dad. And evidence keeps coming out that this is
(04:03):
totally wrong and embarrassing. And after we went off the
air yesterday, the police reports, which I think we hinted
were coming of him for being an alleged wife beater
were released and they're bad.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
They're bad.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Look, domestic violence is always difficult for the courts to
reconcile because many times women end up staying with the
man that they accuse of domestic abuse. But the detail,
the evidence, it's pretty awful and it suggests that this
(04:39):
guy is a wife beater. On top of that, there
also was a subsequent report from the Tennessee Star that
this illegal immigrant gang member was pulled over in the
state of Tennessee with seven different individuals in his car
that the State of Tennessee police believed was human trafficking
(05:03):
and that they then made a call to the FBI
in the Biden regime, and the Biden regime FBI said
let him go. So just factually, now, Buck and a
lot of this has been released. You can go look
it up for yourself. If somebody on your Facebook page
(05:25):
is talking about this being a loving Maryland father.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
This guy was arrested.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
With gang members in gang paraphernalia in cash and adjudicated
MS thirteen gang member per evidence from authorities, is in
the state of Maryland. A documented wife beater in the
state of Tennessee. According to the report from the Tennessee
(05:50):
Star was pulled over and suspected of human trafficking and
let go by the Biden FBI, and he is he
legally in the country. All of this is undisputed, factually
accurate information. And the Democrats decided that this is the
(06:11):
hill that they will fight on. This is where they
need to draw the line on who needs to be
let back in the country, such that one of the
forty seven Democrat senators traveled to the state of Maryland,
sorry from the state of Maryland to El Salvador to
try and argue that that individual needed to be let
back into the country. I think this buck has blown
(06:33):
up in their faces. I would expect that you will
see an attempt to kind of run from this guy
and pretend that all of this has not happened, because
for all of it to come out, I can't think
of a less positive face for the deportation is wrong
(06:56):
movement than the guy basically that they have picked. And
I thought the Trump administration yesterday with the mom of
the Maryland resident sadly who was beaten to death by
an illegal immigrant I watched yesterday. She was the special
guest for Caroline Levitt in the White House press briefing room.
(07:17):
The mom's story was hard to hear, I think for
anyone out there, but she wanted to share what happened
to her daughter, and there were no questions afterwards, and
they walked out. And I think in the Maryland sort
of juxtaposition between an American citizen being brutally beaten, raped
to death and what's going on with Maryland senator is
(07:38):
just awful optics. Here's this mother that Clay was just
talking about speaking yesterday in the White House cut.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Too to have a senator from Maryland who didn't even
acknowledge or barely acknowledged my daughter and the brutal death
that she endured, leaving her five children without a mother
and now a grand baby without a grandmother, so that
(08:06):
he can use my taxpayer money to fly to El
Salvador to bring back someone that's not even an American citizen.
Why does that person have more right than I do,
or my daughter or my grandchildren.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I don't understand this play. Somehow, the rule of law
means that illegals have all of these layers upon layers
of processes to prevent them from being deported, but there
aren't all these layers and layers to prevent them from
coming into the country. Those laws don't get focused on,
(08:49):
don't get talked about by Democrats. And also, and I
know that this is something that Democrats would find very contentious,
but I don't care. I think it's true. Of course,
if you let ten million people into the country with
no vetting who are illegals, you're going to let murderers, rapists,
gang members in. It was an active choice for them
to do this. Biden and his cronies and his handlers,
(09:12):
and the Democrat leadership and the machinery around it decided
to let in these people. There's no question about this
because now it's down ninety five percent, okay, And it
didn't take long, so that means it was a choice.
So they decided to let people in, and that decision
led to dangerous illegals. I know it's a small percentage
(09:33):
of the overall illegals who came into the country, it
doesn't matter. None of them are supposed to be here
under the law. Dangerous illegals, which resulted in things like
Laken Riley's rape and murder, which resulted in things like
Patty Morin's daughter being killed, and the government now gets
all under the Democrats, I should say, get all haughty
about the due process rights of non Americans. I mean,
(09:55):
I think people have just realized, no, we're not doing
this thing anymore. We don't do this thing where there
are all these special rights for illegals, but Americans are
told too hard to enforce the law. We're a nation
of immigrants, so all these illegals have special privileges. I mean,
a question for anybody out there listening right now, is
there we have millions of people listening. Is there a
(10:16):
single person who thinks this guy should be brought back
into the country. You can call us. I mean, I
would love to hear the argument.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
For why a wife beating gang member that the state
of Tennessee believed was engaged in illegal human trafficking when
he was pulled over a couple of years ago, illegally
in this country, why should he be brought back in
the country. Why should he have been here in the
first place an open form, he'll say, oh, you know,
you don't hear both sides of an argument. Sometimes you
(10:46):
get that, okay, why should this guy be brought back
into the country? Is there a single person out there
listening to us biggest radio show in the country that's
on air right now. Is there a single one of
you that believes that this guy should be brought back?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Buck?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I think this is a ninety ten issue. I think
there are ten percent of Democrats, let's say, who legitimately
believe there should be no borders basically anywhere in the
world that would say, oh, this guy should be brought back.
I think it's a ninety ten issue right now. Even
in Maryland, which is a very blue state. You know
(11:21):
who hasn't really spoken up very much about this. Wes Moore,
of the governor. I think he sees this politically, and
he says, wait a minute, why would I put my
legitimacy as the governor of the citizens of Maryland on
the line over a wife beating gang member from Al
Salvador who is illegally here and may well have been
(11:45):
involved in human trafficking based on getting pulled over per
a Tennessee police report. Why should that guy be here?
I mean, I ask again, Yeah, I mean, I don't
even know what the argument is.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I also say wire Democrats clearly more mobilized and outraged
over this situation than over anything that has happened to
an American at the hands of an illegal alien criminal
over the last four years. Nothing even comes close. So
it's not like we're just picking two random things and all, well,
(12:22):
it's a busy world and there's a lot of things
they can focus on. There is not a single instance
of Democrats deciding that they are going to mobilize and
make an issue, make a national issue of anyone who
has been raped, murdered, carjacked, assaulted by I don't just
mean an illegal in this generic sense of well, there's
(12:43):
a lot of illegals, Clay illegals who have already had
deportation orders, who have already been arrested, who have had
sanctuary cities decide they weren't going to share information with
the Feds. Who have The Democrats have been complicit in
all of this. Yeah, they are openly complicit in this
violation of sovereignty, this violation of law, and now they
(13:05):
want to lecture us on the law man. The only
things I want to say to them I can't say
on the radio without getting a fine. Honestly, that's how
I feel.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I will just point out something that I said yesterday
who you choose to be the avatar of your policy
matters a great deal, and they have chosen poorly. In
the words of the last Crusade Indiana Jones, right, they
have chosen a very poor individual to be the stand
in for why Trump's deportation orders are cruel and unnecessary
(13:36):
and unfair and potentially illegal. The United States public overwhelmingly
says a wife beating illegal immigrant, human trafficker, potentially who
is who is not supposed to be here gang member
of MS thirteen, This guy needs to go.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I think they chose really poorly. I just really do.
I agree with you. I thought the Democrats would at
least play along a bit with the we're going to
deport the illegal criminal MS thirteen types, But what about
the dreamers? I thought that was the pivot. You know,
what about the hard working Yeah, so and so and
so and so who are No, they're actually this is
(14:17):
the hill they want to fight on, and that is
the critical point, Clay. They don't want to deport anyone.
The Democrat Party's actual emotional position on this is they
all should stay. And I don't just mean the ones
who we all know, people that work hard, who are
in the country illegally, and you know that, it gets
(14:38):
to be a more interesting conversation. I still think if
you're illegally you should have to go home to your
home country. But they think that the gang members also
should stay. This is like they're in the fabric of America.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
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Speaker 2 (16:50):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're talking
about the situation with the El Salvador illegal who is
here and and well, we'll take a call from Paul
in Kentucky who wants to defend. I put out the
APB eight hundred two four two four two two four
four two eight eight. I've just forgotten our phone number
(17:10):
off the top of my head. You can call in.
You probably know it, and if you are able to defend,
I'll give a nod in your direction as to why
I believe that you've made a good case. I have
not heard anybody as a lawyer, I have not heard
anybody make a good case for why we should bring
back this guy from l Salvador that everyone acknowledges was
(17:32):
illegally in the country and has been returned to his
home country. Why should we not actually go ahead and
have done that. We'll take up your calls and you
can break all that down when we go forward eight
hundred two A two two eight eight two.
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Speaker 2 (18:57):
The newest focus MS thirteen gang members deported. We'll take
a couple of your calls eight hundred and two two
to two eight A two if anybody out there wants
to defend it. But I did think this was interesting.
I said, I think this is a ninety ten issue,
and I think this is going to blow up in
the Maryland Senator's face. And Harry Inton over at CNN said,
(19:18):
I don't know if you've seen this yet, Buck, Most
Americans support deporting all illegal immigrants. Now, this is a
profound shift from when Trump first entered office, and certainly
I think it's a function of wherever you live. The
ten million plus illegal immigrants who entered during Biden's term
in office have changed the overall perspective on Americans when
(19:40):
it comes on how to deal with illegal immigrants. Play
cut one from CNN this morning to.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Port all undocumented immigrants voters favoring the government trying to
deport all eleven million of them. Back in twenty sixteen,
just thirty eight percent of voters wanted the government to
try to deport all eleven million undocumented immigrants.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Compared to where we are in.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Twenty twenty five, fifty six percent. The majority the American
people have come a long way on this issue, much
closer to Donald Trump, and I think that's a big
part of the reason why Americans are increasingly saying the
country is on the right track when it comes to
immigration policy, and why Donald Trump's not approval rating on
that issue is in the positive.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Okay, fifty six percent want all illegal immigrants sent back
to their countries.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
What do you think the percentages? Buck?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Do you sign off on my ninety ten? If you
ask people, hey, illegal immigrant from l Salvador gang, member
of MS thirteen, wife beater, potential human trafficker having been
pulled over. If it's fifty six percent for everybody, it's
got to be ninety ten. I think for this guy
(20:51):
in particular, which circles back around on Trump has won
this issue for everyone, but in particular, for this guy
to become the avatar of Democrat resistance policy when it
comes to illegal immigrants, is I think an all time miscalculation.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Well, we know the Democrats are capable of the most
epic political miscalculations, because we've seen some of them recently.
Right ringing the charges against Trump. I think that was
the ultimate political boomerang. They let that thing rip, and
it has come back and whack them right in the
face now with Trump presidency two point zero. I think
(21:29):
that running Biden to the point that they did Buck Island,
May you forever stay strong. Yes, those of us who
those of us who thought they would push through, It's
all right. We're still recovering. We're still doing some records.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Times Biden needed to last in order for Buck Island
to remain extant. Or do you think in retrospect now
that they really would have gone nuclear, that the Chuck
Schumers and the Nancy Pelosis would have gone directly public
to force him out.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
No, I honestly, all hitting aside. I believe that if
a couple of things had gone a little bit differently
and they had decided to put Biden forward and have
him do a few live events, that they I think
it was Razor. I mean, obviously I thought he was
gonna be I think it was Razor's edge that that
they pushed him out. And can I just be clear
(22:18):
it was moronic to push him out. They got smoked, right,
Like I understand the polls showed that he had had
a really bad, you know, really bad moment there, but
I think he could have gained ground. Kamala never had
a path There was never a pathway for Kamala, right,
And and I think that we obviously saw that in
the election. So I gave the Democrats credit for being
(22:38):
savvier than they actually were in that instance, Which brings
me to this one, Clay. There's not who's really on
the calls, who's really, you know, making the decisions from
the top of the I mean that across the board
Democrat Party c in an MSNBC industrial complex New York Times.
(23:01):
Who has the most power right now in the Democrat
Party to set the agenda for Trump Resistance? I mean,
I think it's AOC, which we're going to talk more about.
I mean, I think that they're trying to build Rachel.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Maddow because I think she's the only person that has
a substantial audience in the party. I think people want
to be liked by her, and she's not a bomb.
She's she's not a bomb. Have you ever seen her
really tangling with people in public? All she does is
the kind of standard anti trump ism on her show,
Like she's not she's not calling anybody out, she's not
hurting kat So to speak with the Democrat Party, right,
(23:38):
So I'm just saying, who is the enforcer, who is
the who is the brain? Who is the leadership? I
don't think they have one at all. That's why I
think the nominee is going to be in twenty twenty
eight someone who's not even in politics.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
And this is where though Clay to the point about
Abrago Garcia them making another political blunder here, it's not surprised.
Why would that be surprising. Who's in charge right now?
They're just chasing They're like the kids, young kids. You know,
I coach soccer. Clay and I both played soccer back
in the day. When you have young kids playing soccer,
they all just crowd the ball and nobody knows what's
(24:14):
going on, and they're all just sort of kicking the
ball at each other. You know, it's like a little
a little mob. It's a scratch's the Democrat. That's true. Yeah,
they're just all kicking the ball. It's going They're just
like it's Trump kick it.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I do think that if you look at what let's
leave aside the judiciary, because they have clearly emerged as
Trump two point zero. This is what I was kind
of talking about. They sort of haphazardly and almost drunkenly
stumble from one talking point to another. It wasn't very
long ago that everybody suddenly was saying, oh, you can't
(24:47):
afford eggs. Now, well, wholesale egg prices have collapse. They're
actually lower than when Biden was in office. That story's gone.
And then what was everybody focused on the stock market?
Oh my goodness, the tariff battles the stock market. It's
unsustained stock market, same price it was roughly in September.
Right now, that story, given that we have not seen
as much vacillation in stock prices, that story has vanished.
(25:11):
Then it's oh my goodness, you took a Maryland dad,
You took a Maryland man. Oh oh, but actually he's
a wife beater and a human trafficker and a gang
member and a bad dude and so.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Collapsed. He is El Salvador. Yeah, that's true. But this
is critical. This is critical. He's not a Maryland man.
And they do this with This has been the case
with the media for a long time. It's always whenever
illegal does something horrible, it's you know, Minnesota man, Maryland man,
Kansas men. No, that is absolute nonsense. It's a lie.
(25:47):
It's it's very dishonest. I mean, am I bag Dad man?
I was in Bagdad for a while. Am I am
I bag Dad man? This is crazy. Yeah, that's a
good point. You are the person. It's either where you know.
It's either where you live and are from, or your nationality.
It doesn't get to be where you are at some
period of time. Right If if I crossed over state
(26:08):
lines and got in trouble in Texas, nobody said, like
Texas man, does it?
Speaker 3 (26:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I live in Florida.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I mean, this is their their failure to make him
an avatar. We got a couple of callers, by the way,
who went away in Paul in Kentucky, what do you think, Okay,
Paul's no cell phone, no bad connection failed. Shannon Shannon
in South Dakota, what you got.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Yeah. So the issue is is good guy bad guy?
He was convicted of no crimes, he was charged with no.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Crimes, and well he's illegally here though, sure sure so
do you think he could be deported.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
In the protective order? Yea, absolutely can be deported. I
think one of the issues is is that we deported
him to a prison. We do not ship.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
We did him to a prison hold on. We sent
him to El Salvador, and El Salvador decided that he
should be in prison there.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
Sure, And the reason that they didn't want to send
him back there was fear of you know, reprisal from
other gang members or something like that. But they knew
he was going to a prison.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Ship man, we don't control.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
We don't control what anybody does when we send him
back to their country.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
So you think he should still be here in control?
Speaker 6 (27:27):
No, I think that we could have deported him. That's fine,
give him his due process. The Supreme Court, I read it,
they violated his due process and I legally shipped him
to a country where he was immediately put into prison.
And we don't put people in prison for accusations. People.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
We didn't put him in prison.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
In prison Pete Haigseth is not in prison for his
accused rape. Trump is not in prison.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Well, Pete Hegseth is a citizen of the United States,
And actually he was investigated by the state of California
and they determined that didn't happen.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
No, they did determine it to happen. They determined that
they didn't have enough. It was a he said, she said,
just for clarification.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But when you hold on, hold on, When you hold on,
when you investigate someone to see if they committed a
crime and you choose not to bring charges in that crime,
that's pretty strong evidence that you didn't commit a crime,
right Because if you think that they might have committed
a crime and you are bringing charges, then you would
(28:28):
take it to the jury to determine whether or not
they committed a crime.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
The standard of is would would a jury be able
to convict them based on the evidence that it's provided.
It is not a determination of guilt or not guilty.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
So you are of the opinion if I said, right now, hey,
we've got to investigate whatever your name is. In South Dakota,
I think he's committed a crime. And if in South
Dakota they investigated it and chose not to bring charges
against you. You think the standard would be, Well, they
didn't determine I didn't commit a crime. They determined I did,
(29:04):
there wasn't enough evidence to convict me of a crime.
That's how you'd want to be identified as a caller
on the program.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
That is the standard. What do I want to be
accused of a crime? Anybod who has been accused of
a crime is already underneath scrutiny at that point in time.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
But again especially if again the investigators look into it.
All right, so what's your position here? Do you want
him sit back? What is your actual advocacy that you've
called in to advocate for here?
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Sure, I would like to get him out of prison,
get him to a place where he's not going to
be put in prison unless we convict him of a crime.
If they want to charge it for a crime here
buying go ahead, which they have not done.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
And I've but he's not in prison in the unit.
Thanks for the call. I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
We're just kind of going around in circles here. I look,
he is not put in prison here, he is illegally
here he has been investigated for wife beating based on
his own wife's position. He was investigated for human trafficking
in ten and the Biden FBI said, hey, let him go.
We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he
(30:06):
is not supposed to be here. He was arrested with
other MS thirteen game members, gang members with many different
aspects of gang affiliation directly connected to him, and he
was sent to El Salvador. El Salvador, which is now
one of the safest countries in the world thanks to
what Bouqueley has done there, made the determination that he
(30:28):
should be in prison because they believe that he is
a gang member.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Well, I also think that that it's not. You can't
expect the American people to me This even goes to
more just common sense and fundamental belief about where the
country is and what's happening here. You cannot expect us
all to say, you know what, all the laws about
(30:54):
keeping illegals out and finding and deporting illegals, those aren't
really lass like, sorry, there's too much going on, too
much complexity. But if you do anything to an illegal,
that does not give him his five different versions of
a day in court, that does not take into account
(31:14):
that any judge at any time can keep the law
cannot be anyone can come here and no one gets
kicked out. That's the there's just a rejection of that.
I reject that premise, okay, And that seems to be
where the Democrats are on this.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I also think that somebody out there thinking, hey, I'm
here illegally. If I get stopped, I might end up
in a prison back in my home country, maybe I
should leave, is not a bad message to be sending, right,
I mean, honestly, like this guy is I think quite clearly,
(31:54):
based on all the evidence, a bad dude who should
not be here, and the fact that they would make
him the avatar, and that the best defense that we
got is some guy from South Dakota says, Oh, I
don't think he should be in prison in El Salvador. Well,
shouldn't his home country be able to determine whether they
believe that he is a threat or not and apply
the laws of their home country as it pertains to
(32:17):
their citizen. And again, if this guy had come here
and he had been a sterling man of character and
all the things, he would still be here illegally and
he would still be subject to deportation, but he was not.
He is a gang member based on all the evidence
you can go read it. He is potentially engaged in
human trafficking based on a Tennessee police report. He is
(32:40):
clearly based on his own wife, someone who has beaten
her and she has needed to seek the protection of
the state. Like, I'm not losing or weeping at all
for this guy.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Well, that's exactly the point, and that's where I was
going to go. Now is just I don't care. This
guy's problem, not my problem. He's gone. He's not an American. Sorry.
You know that they can win, and they're trying to
make us care about this, and I think that increasingly
they are finding they're unable to do. So I don't care.
It's not my problem. He wasn't supposed to be here.
(33:12):
He's not a good guy. End of story. I'm sick
of this country being exploited by people who think that
the only laws that are the laws are the ones
that are in their interest, the illegals interest, and not
the interest of the American people. So I take a
step back. It's more of a philosophical thing for me,
is what I'm saying here. I'm just we've had enough. Okay,
(33:33):
we had ten million, commented to Biden. This is madness.
We're getting rid of the worst of the worst right now.
And I'm sorry if it's not perfect. You know, sometimes
you got to drop a bomb on the building and
get the bad guy, and bad things happen.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Let me also say this, because he tried to pivot
and attack Pete. Hegseth on this. I think this is
actually really significant, and I know this has been something
that matters to you too. He tried to say, well,
they investigated it and they chose not to bring charges,
But that doesn't mean that he didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Commit a rape.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
That argument it needs to vanish, right because if you
have a woman who can anonymously accuse a man of
inappropriate behavior of a sexual nature, the authorities actually investigate it,
they choose not to bring charges, you can't then say well,
(34:23):
he may have raped her, but they just chose not
to bring charges. No, if you get investigated and they
don't bring charges, I'm sorry, anonymous, your name gets dragged
through the mud and everything else. I think we need
to make it the standard that we say this didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Not well, they didn't.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
They decided they couldn't convict beyond reasonable doubts. So that
doesn't mean he didn't rape her. That is just I'm
sorry that line of thought in this era, when you
can levy any accusation against someone at all that you want,
and then when authorities investigate and don't bring it, you
still say, well, it didn't mean he didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I'm over that era. I think that is frankly indefensible.
I also think, yeah, I I as soon as the
guys started, you were much more polite to him that
I would have been if I was handling that. But
I would just say, because you and I agree. The
Pete thing, it's uh, there's just there's no there there.
But anyway, and the cops found there's no no there there.
Trust me, they weren't giving the Fox News host in
(35:20):
California like the benefit of the doubt. There was said too,
there's no yeah, there's no privilege of being a Fox
News host in in California investigated for you know, sexual assault.
So Pete, uh, you know, I I have there's zeroed
out in my mind that Pete did not actually break
any laws there whatsoever. Beyond that, though, uh, this is
(35:40):
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we keep being told, oh you know what, we got
we gotta we gotta come back, come back, we got
to go to keep.
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Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of the Clay Travis d Box
Sexton Show kicks off right now. Much to discuss with
all of you. Harvard, also known as Harvard, some of
our bosson night listeners, is facing an IRS move under
Trump's administration to rescind the tax exempt status of this
(00:27):
storied university. And this is getting a lot of attention
from Democrats who realize that their cathedral, if you will,
which is elite higher education, is coming under pressure in
a way that they really have never before. We also
have that I don't think we got to the DOJ
(00:49):
transgender athlete main story yesterday, Clay, right, we had mentioned it,
so we want to spend a little time on that
one today, and it goes to the issues of safety
concerns and whether there are safety concerns for some of
the or for young women who end up having to
compete with these individuals who are trans We had a
(01:14):
special guest yesterday who appeared in the White House to
speak out, Patty Morin, whose daughter was killed by an
illegal alien in Maryland. She spoke at the White House
and that will bring you some of her thoughts also, Clay,
just a little side note because I'll take any excuse
to throw shade at George Clooney. George Clooney was sitting
(01:37):
down with CNN to talk about the bravery of writing
his op ed to finally say that Biden, it is
not brave when you are caught. I'm just going to say,
there is no bravery when your team has already fumbled
the ball and the other team is trying to take
it into your end zone. We shall discuss them a
little bit of that first thing, though, Clay, you know
(02:00):
you are deep on the reading on this one. You
were going deep down the rabbit hole because new information
came out while the Maryland Democrat senator was down in
El Salvador yesterday. There are a lot of memes flying
around about this that some of you may have seen online.
But the Maryland senator who went down there decided that
(02:21):
he was going to make mister Abrago Garcia a major concern.
This is now the primary method, the primary avenue of
attack against the Trump administration. I think, Clay, we're getting
into a place where they have made this all about
due process and the system, and I think there's a
(02:43):
strong argument for Trump at this point that you can't
have an illegal brought back into America for the purpose
of kicking him out of America. Like there's something crazy.
There's just something inherently crazy about that. But also they're
they're martyr in this case, mister Abrago gar Garcia. We
have found out this may be a politically forget about
(03:05):
the legal wrangling. This may be a politically unwise choice
for Democrats to go all in for the return of
this alleged MS thirteen gang member.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I said six months ago when Trump won that I
thought the resistance to a large extent on a deportation front,
would come when Democrats found an individual that they believed
was unjustly deported and tried to use that anecdote as
a way to attack the entire deportation concept in general.
(03:40):
And they did, and they picked this kilmar Garcia guy
and said, oh my goodness, this is a Maryland dad.
There's no basis whatsoever to have deported him. He's not
a gang member, he hasn't done anything wrong. He's a
loving dad. And evidence keeps coming out that this is
(04:03):
totally wrong and embarrassing. And after we went off the
air yesterday, the police reports, which I think we hinted
were coming of him for being an alleged wife beater
were released and they're bad.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
They're bad.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Look, domestic violence is always difficult for the courts to
reconcile because many times women end up staying with the
man that they accuse of domestic abuse. But the detail,
the evidence, it's pretty awful and it suggests that this
(04:39):
guy is a wife beater. On top of that, there
also was a subsequent report from the Tennessee Star that
this illegal immigrant gang member was pulled over in the
state of Tennessee with seven different individuals in his car
that the State of Tennessee police believed was human trafficking
(05:03):
and that they then made a call to the FBI
in the Biden regime, and the Biden regime FBI said
let him go. So just factually, now, Buck and a
lot of this has been released. You can go look
it up for yourself. If somebody on your Facebook page
(05:25):
is talking about this being a loving Maryland father.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
This guy was arrested.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
With gang members in gang paraphernalia in cash and adjudicated
MS thirteen gang member per evidence from authorities, is in
the state of Maryland. A documented wife beater in the
state of Tennessee. According to the report from the Tennessee
(05:50):
Star was pulled over and suspected of human trafficking and
let go by the Biden FBI, and he is he
legally in the country. All of this is undisputed, factually
accurate information. And the Democrats decided that this is the
(06:11):
hill that they will fight on. This is where they
need to draw the line on who needs to be
let back in the country, such that one of the
forty seven Democrat senators traveled to the state of Maryland,
sorry from the state of Maryland to El Salvador to
try and argue that that individual needed to be let
back into the country. I think this buck has blown
(06:33):
up in their faces. I would expect that you will
see an attempt to kind of run from this guy
and pretend that all of this has not happened, because
for all of it to come out, I can't think
of a less positive face for the deportation is wrong
(06:56):
movement than the guy basically that they have picked. And
I thought the Trump administration yesterday with the mom of
the Maryland resident sadly who was beaten to death by
an illegal immigrant I watched yesterday. She was the special
guest for Caroline Levitt in the White House press briefing room.
(07:17):
The mom's story was hard to hear, I think for
anyone out there, but she wanted to share what happened
to her daughter, and there were no questions afterwards, and
they walked out. And I think in the Maryland sort
of juxtaposition between an American citizen being brutally beaten, raped
to death and what's going on with Maryland senator is
(07:38):
just awful optics. Here's this mother that Clay was just
talking about speaking yesterday in the White House cut.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Too to have a senator from Maryland who didn't even
acknowledge or barely acknowledged my daughter and the brutal death
that she endured, leaving her five children without a mother
and now a grand baby without a grandmother, so that
(08:06):
he can use my taxpayer money to fly to El
Salvador to bring back someone that's not even an American citizen.
Why does that person have more right than I do,
or my daughter or my grandchildren.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I don't understand this play. Somehow, the rule of law
means that illegals have all of these layers upon layers
of processes to prevent them from being deported, but there
aren't all these layers and layers to prevent them from
coming into the country. Those laws don't get focused on,
(08:49):
don't get talked about by Democrats. And also, and I
know that this is something that Democrats would find very contentious,
but I don't care. I think it's true. Of course,
if you let ten million people into the country with
no vetting who are illegals, you're going to let murderers, rapists,
gang members in. It was an active choice for them
to do this. Biden and his cronies and his handlers,
(09:12):
and the Democrat leadership and the machinery around it decided
to let in these people. There's no question about this
because now it's down ninety five percent, okay, And it
didn't take long, so that means it was a choice.
So they decided to let people in, and that decision
led to dangerous illegals. I know it's a small percentage
(09:33):
of the overall illegals who came into the country, it
doesn't matter. None of them are supposed to be here
under the law. Dangerous illegals, which resulted in things like
Laken Riley's rape and murder, which resulted in things like
Patty Morin's daughter being killed, and the government now gets
all under the Democrats, I should say, get all haughty
about the due process rights of non Americans. I mean,
(09:55):
I think people have just realized, no, we're not doing
this thing anymore. We don't do this thing where there
are all these special rights for illegals, but Americans are
told too hard to enforce the law. We're a nation
of immigrants, so all these illegals have special privileges. I mean,
a question for anybody out there listening right now, is
there we have millions of people listening. Is there a
(10:16):
single person who thinks this guy should be brought back
into the country. You can call us. I mean, I
would love to hear the argument.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
For why a wife beating gang member that the state
of Tennessee believed was engaged in illegal human trafficking when
he was pulled over a couple of years ago, illegally
in this country, why should he be brought back in
the country. Why should he have been here in the
first place an open form, he'll say, oh, you know,
you don't hear both sides of an argument. Sometimes you
(10:46):
get that, okay, why should this guy be brought back
into the country? Is there a single person out there
listening to us biggest radio show in the country that's
on air right now. Is there a single one of
you that believes that this guy should be brought back?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Buck?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I think this is a ninety ten issue. I think
there are ten percent of Democrats, let's say, who legitimately
believe there should be no borders basically anywhere in the
world that would say, oh, this guy should be brought back.
I think it's a ninety ten issue right now. Even
in Maryland, which is a very blue state. You know
(11:21):
who hasn't really spoken up very much about this. Wes Moore,
of the governor. I think he sees this politically, and
he says, wait a minute, why would I put my
legitimacy as the governor of the citizens of Maryland on
the line over a wife beating gang member from Al
Salvador who is illegally here and may well have been
(11:45):
involved in human trafficking based on getting pulled over per
a Tennessee police report. Why should that guy be here?
I mean, I ask again, Yeah, I mean, I don't
even know what the argument is.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I also say wire Democrats clearly more mobilized and outraged
over this situation than over anything that has happened to
an American at the hands of an illegal alien criminal
over the last four years. Nothing even comes close. So
it's not like we're just picking two random things and all, well,
(12:22):
it's a busy world and there's a lot of things
they can focus on. There is not a single instance
of Democrats deciding that they are going to mobilize and
make an issue, make a national issue of anyone who
has been raped, murdered, carjacked, assaulted by I don't just
mean an illegal in this generic sense of well, there's
(12:43):
a lot of illegals, Clay illegals who have already had
deportation orders, who have already been arrested, who have had
sanctuary cities decide they weren't going to share information with
the Feds. Who have The Democrats have been complicit in
all of this. Yeah, they are openly complicit in this
violation of sovereignty, this violation of law, and now they
(13:05):
want to lecture us on the law man. The only
things I want to say to them I can't say
on the radio without getting a fine. Honestly, that's how
I feel.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I will just point out something that I said yesterday
who you choose to be the avatar of your policy
matters a great deal, and they have chosen poorly. In
the words of the last Crusade Indiana Jones, right, they
have chosen a very poor individual to be the stand
in for why Trump's deportation orders are cruel and unnecessary
(13:36):
and unfair and potentially illegal. The United States public overwhelmingly
says a wife beating illegal immigrant, human trafficker, potentially who
is who is not supposed to be here gang member
of MS thirteen, This guy needs to go.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I think they chose really poorly. I just really do.
I agree with you. I thought the Democrats would at
least play along a bit with the we're going to
deport the illegal criminal MS thirteen types, But what about
the dreamers? I thought that was the pivot. You know,
what about the hard working Yeah, so and so and
so and so who are No, they're actually this is
(14:17):
the hill they want to fight on, and that is
the critical point, Clay. They don't want to deport anyone.
The Democrat Party's actual emotional position on this is they
all should stay. And I don't just mean the ones
who we all know, people that work hard, who are
in the country illegally, and you know that, it gets
(14:38):
to be a more interesting conversation. I still think if
you're illegally you should have to go home to your
home country. But they think that the gang members also
should stay. This is like they're in the fabric of America.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
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Speaker 2 (16:50):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're talking
about the situation with the El Salvador illegal who is
here and and well, we'll take a call from Paul
in Kentucky who wants to defend. I put out the
APB eight hundred two four two four two two four
four two eight eight. I've just forgotten our phone number
(17:10):
off the top of my head. You can call in.
You probably know it, and if you are able to defend,
I'll give a nod in your direction as to why
I believe that you've made a good case. I have
not heard anybody as a lawyer, I have not heard
anybody make a good case for why we should bring
back this guy from l Salvador that everyone acknowledges was
(17:32):
illegally in the country and has been returned to his
home country. Why should we not actually go ahead and
have done that. We'll take up your calls and you
can break all that down when we go forward eight
hundred two A two two eight eight two.
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Speaker 2 (18:57):
The newest focus MS thirteen gang members deported. We'll take
a couple of your calls eight hundred and two two
to two eight A two if anybody out there wants
to defend it. But I did think this was interesting.
I said, I think this is a ninety ten issue,
and I think this is going to blow up in
the Maryland Senator's face. And Harry Inton over at CNN said,
(19:18):
I don't know if you've seen this yet, Buck, Most
Americans support deporting all illegal immigrants. Now, this is a
profound shift from when Trump first entered office, and certainly
I think it's a function of wherever you live. The
ten million plus illegal immigrants who entered during Biden's term
in office have changed the overall perspective on Americans when
(19:40):
it comes on how to deal with illegal immigrants. Play
cut one from CNN this morning to.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Port all undocumented immigrants voters favoring the government trying to
deport all eleven million of them. Back in twenty sixteen,
just thirty eight percent of voters wanted the government to
try to deport all eleven million undocumented immigrants.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Compared to where we are in.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Twenty twenty five, fifty six percent. The majority the American
people have come a long way on this issue, much
closer to Donald Trump, and I think that's a big
part of the reason why Americans are increasingly saying the
country is on the right track when it comes to
immigration policy, and why Donald Trump's not approval rating on
that issue is in the positive.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Okay, fifty six percent want all illegal immigrants sent back
to their countries.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
What do you think the percentages? Buck?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Do you sign off on my ninety ten? If you
ask people, hey, illegal immigrant from l Salvador gang, member
of MS thirteen, wife beater, potential human trafficker having been
pulled over. If it's fifty six percent for everybody, it's
got to be ninety ten. I think for this guy
(20:51):
in particular, which circles back around on Trump has won
this issue for everyone, but in particular, for this guy
to become the avatar of Democrat resistance policy when it
comes to illegal immigrants, is I think an all time miscalculation.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Well, we know the Democrats are capable of the most
epic political miscalculations, because we've seen some of them recently.
Right ringing the charges against Trump. I think that was
the ultimate political boomerang. They let that thing rip, and
it has come back and whack them right in the
face now with Trump presidency two point zero. I think
(21:29):
that running Biden to the point that they did Buck Island,
May you forever stay strong. Yes, those of us who
those of us who thought they would push through, It's
all right. We're still recovering. We're still doing some records.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Times Biden needed to last in order for Buck Island
to remain extant. Or do you think in retrospect now
that they really would have gone nuclear, that the Chuck
Schumers and the Nancy Pelosis would have gone directly public
to force him out.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
No, I honestly, all hitting aside. I believe that if
a couple of things had gone a little bit differently
and they had decided to put Biden forward and have
him do a few live events, that they I think
it was Razor. I mean, obviously I thought he was
gonna be I think it was Razor's edge that that
they pushed him out. And can I just be clear
(22:18):
it was moronic to push him out. They got smoked, right,
Like I understand the polls showed that he had had
a really bad, you know, really bad moment there, but
I think he could have gained ground. Kamala never had
a path There was never a pathway for Kamala, right,
And and I think that we obviously saw that in
the election. So I gave the Democrats credit for being
(22:38):
savvier than they actually were in that instance, Which brings
me to this one, Clay. There's not who's really on
the calls, who's really, you know, making the decisions from
the top of the I mean that across the board
Democrat Party c in an MSNBC industrial complex New York Times.
(23:01):
Who has the most power right now in the Democrat
Party to set the agenda for Trump Resistance? I mean,
I think it's AOC, which we're going to talk more about.
I mean, I think that they're trying to build Rachel.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Maddow because I think she's the only person that has
a substantial audience in the party. I think people want
to be liked by her, and she's not a bomb.
She's she's not a bomb. Have you ever seen her
really tangling with people in public? All she does is
the kind of standard anti trump ism on her show,
Like she's not she's not calling anybody out, she's not
hurting kat So to speak with the Democrat Party, right,
(23:38):
So I'm just saying, who is the enforcer, who is
the who is the brain? Who is the leadership? I
don't think they have one at all. That's why I
think the nominee is going to be in twenty twenty
eight someone who's not even in politics.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
And this is where though Clay to the point about
Abrago Garcia them making another political blunder here, it's not surprised.
Why would that be surprising. Who's in charge right now?
They're just chasing They're like the kids, young kids. You know,
I coach soccer. Clay and I both played soccer back
in the day. When you have young kids playing soccer,
they all just crowd the ball and nobody knows what's
(24:14):
going on, and they're all just sort of kicking the
ball at each other. You know, it's like a little
a little mob. It's a scratch's the Democrat. That's true. Yeah,
they're just all kicking the ball. It's going They're just
like it's Trump kick it.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I do think that if you look at what let's
leave aside the judiciary, because they have clearly emerged as
Trump two point zero. This is what I was kind
of talking about. They sort of haphazardly and almost drunkenly
stumble from one talking point to another. It wasn't very
long ago that everybody suddenly was saying, oh, you can't
(24:47):
afford eggs. Now, well, wholesale egg prices have collapse. They're
actually lower than when Biden was in office. That story's gone.
And then what was everybody focused on the stock market?
Oh my goodness, the tariff battles the stock market. It's
unsustained stock market, same price it was roughly in September.
Right now, that story, given that we have not seen
as much vacillation in stock prices, that story has vanished.
(25:11):
Then it's oh my goodness, you took a Maryland dad,
You took a Maryland man. Oh oh, but actually he's
a wife beater and a human trafficker and a gang
member and a bad dude and so.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Collapsed. He is El Salvador. Yeah, that's true. But this
is critical. This is critical. He's not a Maryland man.
And they do this with This has been the case
with the media for a long time. It's always whenever
illegal does something horrible, it's you know, Minnesota man, Maryland man,
Kansas men. No, that is absolute nonsense. It's a lie.
(25:47):
It's it's very dishonest. I mean, am I bag Dad man?
I was in Bagdad for a while. Am I am
I bag Dad man? This is crazy. Yeah, that's a
good point. You are the person. It's either where you know.
It's either where you live and are from, or your nationality.
It doesn't get to be where you are at some
period of time. Right If if I crossed over state
(26:08):
lines and got in trouble in Texas, nobody said, like
Texas man, does it?
Speaker 3 (26:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I live in Florida.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I mean, this is their their failure to make him
an avatar. We got a couple of callers, by the way,
who went away in Paul in Kentucky, what do you think, Okay,
Paul's no cell phone, no bad connection failed. Shannon Shannon
in South Dakota, what you got.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Yeah. So the issue is is good guy bad guy?
He was convicted of no crimes, he was charged with no.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Crimes, and well he's illegally here though, sure sure so
do you think he could be deported.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
In the protective order? Yea, absolutely can be deported. I
think one of the issues is is that we deported
him to a prison. We do not ship.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
We did him to a prison hold on. We sent
him to El Salvador, and El Salvador decided that he
should be in prison there.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
Sure, And the reason that they didn't want to send
him back there was fear of you know, reprisal from
other gang members or something like that. But they knew
he was going to a prison.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Ship man, we don't control.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
We don't control what anybody does when we send him
back to their country.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
So you think he should still be here in control?
Speaker 6 (27:27):
No, I think that we could have deported him. That's fine,
give him his due process. The Supreme Court, I read it,
they violated his due process and I legally shipped him
to a country where he was immediately put into prison.
And we don't put people in prison for accusations. People.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
We didn't put him in prison.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
In prison Pete Haigseth is not in prison for his
accused rape. Trump is not in prison.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Well, Pete Hegseth is a citizen of the United States,
And actually he was investigated by the state of California
and they determined that didn't happen.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
No, they did determine it to happen. They determined that
they didn't have enough. It was a he said, she said,
just for clarification.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But when you hold on, hold on, When you hold on,
when you investigate someone to see if they committed a
crime and you choose not to bring charges in that crime,
that's pretty strong evidence that you didn't commit a crime,
right Because if you think that they might have committed
a crime and you are bringing charges, then you would
(28:28):
take it to the jury to determine whether or not
they committed a crime.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
The standard of is would would a jury be able
to convict them based on the evidence that it's provided.
It is not a determination of guilt or not guilty.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
So you are of the opinion if I said, right now, hey,
we've got to investigate whatever your name is. In South Dakota,
I think he's committed a crime. And if in South
Dakota they investigated it and chose not to bring charges
against you. You think the standard would be, Well, they
didn't determine I didn't commit a crime. They determined I did,
(29:04):
there wasn't enough evidence to convict me of a crime.
That's how you'd want to be identified as a caller
on the program.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
That is the standard. What do I want to be
accused of a crime? Anybod who has been accused of
a crime is already underneath scrutiny at that point in time.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
But again especially if again the investigators look into it.
All right, so what's your position here? Do you want
him sit back? What is your actual advocacy that you've
called in to advocate for here?
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Sure, I would like to get him out of prison,
get him to a place where he's not going to
be put in prison unless we convict him of a crime.
If they want to charge it for a crime here
buying go ahead, which they have not done.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
And I've but he's not in prison in the unit.
Thanks for the call. I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
We're just kind of going around in circles here. I look,
he is not put in prison here, he is illegally
here he has been investigated for wife beating based on
his own wife's position. He was investigated for human trafficking
in ten and the Biden FBI said, hey, let him go.
We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he
(30:06):
is not supposed to be here. He was arrested with
other MS thirteen game members, gang members with many different
aspects of gang affiliation directly connected to him, and he
was sent to El Salvador. El Salvador, which is now
one of the safest countries in the world thanks to
what Bouqueley has done there, made the determination that he
(30:28):
should be in prison because they believe that he is
a gang member.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Well, I also think that that it's not. You can't
expect the American people to me This even goes to
more just common sense and fundamental belief about where the
country is and what's happening here. You cannot expect us
all to say, you know what, all the laws about
(30:54):
keeping illegals out and finding and deporting illegals, those aren't
really lass like, sorry, there's too much going on, too
much complexity. But if you do anything to an illegal,
that does not give him his five different versions of
a day in court, that does not take into account
(31:14):
that any judge at any time can keep the law
cannot be anyone can come here and no one gets
kicked out. That's the there's just a rejection of that.
I reject that premise, okay, And that seems to be
where the Democrats are on this.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I also think that somebody out there thinking, hey, I'm
here illegally. If I get stopped, I might end up
in a prison back in my home country, maybe I
should leave, is not a bad message to be sending, right,
I mean, honestly, like this guy is I think quite clearly,
(31:54):
based on all the evidence, a bad dude who should
not be here, and the fact that they would make
him the avatar, and that the best defense that we
got is some guy from South Dakota says, Oh, I
don't think he should be in prison in El Salvador. Well,
shouldn't his home country be able to determine whether they
believe that he is a threat or not and apply
the laws of their home country as it pertains to
(32:17):
their citizen. And again, if this guy had come here
and he had been a sterling man of character and
all the things, he would still be here illegally and
he would still be subject to deportation, but he was not.
He is a gang member based on all the evidence
you can go read it. He is potentially engaged in
human trafficking based on a Tennessee police report. He is
(32:40):
clearly based on his own wife, someone who has beaten
her and she has needed to seek the protection of
the state. Like, I'm not losing or weeping at all
for this guy.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Well, that's exactly the point, and that's where I was
going to go. Now is just I don't care. This
guy's problem, not my problem. He's gone. He's not an American. Sorry.
You know that they can win, and they're trying to
make us care about this, and I think that increasingly
they are finding they're unable to do. So I don't care.
It's not my problem. He wasn't supposed to be here.
(33:12):
He's not a good guy. End of story. I'm sick
of this country being exploited by people who think that
the only laws that are the laws are the ones
that are in their interest, the illegals interest, and not
the interest of the American people. So I take a
step back. It's more of a philosophical thing for me,
is what I'm saying here. I'm just we've had enough. Okay,
(33:33):
we had ten million, commented to Biden. This is madness.
We're getting rid of the worst of the worst right now.
And I'm sorry if it's not perfect. You know, sometimes
you got to drop a bomb on the building and
get the bad guy, and bad things happen.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Let me also say this, because he tried to pivot
and attack Pete. Hegseth on this. I think this is
actually really significant, and I know this has been something
that matters to you too. He tried to say, well,
they investigated it and they chose not to bring charges,
But that doesn't mean that he didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Commit a rape.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
That argument it needs to vanish, right because if you
have a woman who can anonymously accuse a man of
inappropriate behavior of a sexual nature, the authorities actually investigate it,
they choose not to bring charges, you can't then say well,
(34:23):
he may have raped her, but they just chose not
to bring charges. No, if you get investigated and they
don't bring charges, I'm sorry, anonymous, your name gets dragged
through the mud and everything else. I think we need
to make it the standard that we say this didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Not well, they didn't.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
They decided they couldn't convict beyond reasonable doubts. So that
doesn't mean he didn't rape her. That is just I'm
sorry that line of thought in this era, when you
can levy any accusation against someone at all that you want,
and then when authorities investigate and don't bring it, you
still say, well, it didn't mean he didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I'm over that era. I think that is frankly indefensible.
I also think, yeah, I I as soon as the
guys started, you were much more polite to him that
I would have been if I was handling that. But
I would just say, because you and I agree. The
Pete thing, it's uh, there's just there's no there there.
But anyway, and the cops found there's no no there there.
Trust me, they weren't giving the Fox News host in
(35:20):
California like the benefit of the doubt. There was said too,
there's no yeah, there's no privilege of being a Fox
News host in in California investigated for you know, sexual assault.
So Pete, uh, you know, I I have there's zeroed
out in my mind that Pete did not actually break
any laws there whatsoever. Beyond that, though, uh, this is
(35:40):
this is where I think people just in we're we're
we keep being told, oh you know what, we got
we gotta we gotta come back, come back, we got
to go to keep.
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