May 1, 2024 • 36 mins
Biden administration considers taking Gaza refugees that the Arab world won't take. Biden announces more student loan forgiveness for campus rioters. UCLA riot rages for hours with no police intervention. Columbia student protester occupying building demands "humanitarian aid." Former congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard talks to Clay and Buck about the campus protests and serving as Trump's VP.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Absolute chaos last
night on college campuses from the East to the West
coast of the United States. Joe Biden responds this morning
by deciding to give you six billion dollars more national
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debt for art graduates.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
This is real.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Also, CBS reports that the White House is planning to
settle Gaza refugees, the same people that Egypt will not take,
the same people that just murdered twelve hundred innocent Jews.
They want the Biden administration does for you and me
and all of America to open our arms to the
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cold blooded killers there. This does not feel like a
very good decision. In many ways, it feels like the
Biden administration is actually trying to lose. They feel so
tone deaf and so out of touch with America that
every single day there is more evidence building that Joe
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Biden is the worst president in any of our lives
and is hapless and unable to find the right way
to bring America together. Remember, he famously claimed, based on
a lie, of course, that after Charlottesville he felt compelled
to run for president of the United States. Well, now
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there are hundreds, if not thousands of Charlottesville's taking place
all over the country and Biden is doing nothing to
stop it. Buck last night, credit to the NYPD who
Columbia finally called in to reclaim their property after idiot
protesters took over campus buildings to face them significantly based
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on the videos that are being shared this morning of
what they did inside of those buildings. Simultaneously, a mass
brawl effectively broke out at UCLA where Jewish students were
not being permitted to enter many different parts of campus,
and that finally required an action to be taken from
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the Los Angeles Police Department to come in at the
UCLA encampment. Two different sides of the country, New York
and LA, both out of control, both virulently anti Semitic
in a way frankly that has never occurred that I
have seen in my life. The left is sick. Biden
has no answer because the Identity politics coalition that elected
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him is made up still of Jewish and Arab individuals,
and so he's trying to both sides it. He's trying
to do what he claimed Trump did false at Charlottesville,
and he's been doing it for six months. I think
we have a couple of clips here that I want
to play because I know a lot of the UCLA
and frankly, some of the Columbia related incidents may have
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happened after many of you tuned out for the night
and we're not paying attention.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And so I want to play.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Here is ABC seven helicopter reporter Chris Christy, not the
former governor of New Jersey, up in the air reporting
on what he was seeing. I shared this video. We'll
get Clay and Buck to share it as well. If
you're wondering what he was seeing. Three hours of riots
on UCLA's campus, no law enforcement intervention at all. Here
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is what he was reporting last night on the ABCLA affiliate.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Somebody is being beaten with a stick and punches in
the middle of the launch. Somebody is being badly beaten
at the bottom of that brawl right there. Look at that.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Look at that.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Somebody is being dragged and beaten in the front of
that that plywood wall. Just incredible, Like where are the police?
Where is security? Where are these people? But just are
where is authority here? It is something I have never
covered without any sign of enforcement, law enforcement security, whatsoever.
This has gone now on for over an hour and
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a half and it is absolutely appalling in my estimation
that we have not seen any response.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I mean, look, this is the March of the mouthcontents,
and there are so many different pieces coming together here.
First off, it is fascinating to watch how the Gaza
protesters or whatever we call manti Israel, the lunatics, but
the people protesting for Gaza in Colombia seem to be
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really confused. They seem to think that they're also in
dire humanitarian.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
We need to play those clips. We need to play
these clips too. That was going to be the next
thing that I was gonna hit.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I mean, the uclathing was interesting just beca because you
had counter protesters who came in and were sick of
the intimidation and the cry baby antics of not only students,
but remember there's a lot of professional agitators. When we
told you this is basically BLM three point zero, as in,
this is the institutional protest left, the Elynski left, That's
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what this is. There are people who I can assure
you were arrested during the BLM protests as well. Who
are on these campuses in New York. There were at
Columbia and City University QUNI. There were a lot of
people reported by the NYPD who have nothing to do
with the school who are at these protests. Think about that,
you're not even a Columbia student and you're out there.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Like free, free Palestine.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
You're in some tent on the ground with a bunch
of college kids. People are loons. But this was the best,
I mean, this was my favorite, uh my favorite moment
of all the videos we've seen, and there's a lot
of it we'll talk about a lot today.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Was this woman who was speaking on behalf of the protesters.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
They had seized Hamilton Hall right at Columbia University, and
and she's speaking about how you know this is this
is a very upsetting moment for them because they're basically
in a humanitarian crisis.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And they need the school to give.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Them or to allow them or bring them food in
this situation. I will say I'll give David from credit
for this one. He tweeted out, Clay, you see that
the revolution will be catered? That one, which is pretty good.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
That is really very very funny that a great ed
here is one of these students demanding that you know,
they need human rights respected as well at Columbia, they
need food to be brought to them.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Play it.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Obligated to provide food to people who've taken over a building.
Speaker 7 (06:54):
Well, for first of all, we're saying that they're obligated
to provide food to students who pay for a meal here.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
But you mentioned that.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
There was a requested that food and water be brought
in unless.
Speaker 7 (07:04):
I to allow it to be brought in. I mean, well,
I guess it's ultimately a question of what kind of
community and obligation Columbia feels it has to its students.
Do you want students to die of dehydration and starvation
or get severely ill even if they disagree with you.
If the answer is no, then you should allow basic
I mean it's crazy to say because we're on an
ivy leage campus, but this is like basic humanitarian aid
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we're asking for, Like could people please to have a
glass of water?
Speaker 4 (07:30):
This is amazing, almost spit by drink out humanitarian aid?
What because she has to walk ten blocks to Zabars.
Think about this for a second. This is wild. That's
a grocery store on the upper west side. If you
don't know, this is wild arvation.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
We also have a second part here where she gets
grilled even more and somebody just listen to part two
this and then Buck, I don't know if you did
you see who that this, this student in that you
are hearing talk this leader of the Columbia revolution on
behalf of hamas this student do you know what her
major is?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Buck?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
O Oh, I've got it all or we're gonna I've
got it all here, I've got all the reasons.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So I just this is a student, a PhD student
at Columbia who is talking.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Here is a follow up. I give credit to the
reporters here for.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Following up say hey, you know you're kind of stage
in a revolution and also demanding that the university bringing
you food. Here's part two of this brilliant dissertation here
from this Columbia student.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
But they didn't put themselves in that very deliberate thing,
in that situation and in that position. So it seems
like you're start of saying, we want to be revolutionari,
so we want to take up this building. Now, would
you please bring us some food on water?
Speaker 7 (08:44):
Nobody's asking them to bring anything everything. We're asking them
to not violently stop us from bringing in basic humanitarian aid.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
They're stopping that delivery of food.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
We are looking for a commitment from them that they will.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Not stop it by having stop it.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
Well, I don't I don't know to what extent it
has been attempted, but we're looking for a commitment Clay.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
She's basically saying, we need Uber Eats drivers to be
able to come to the campus building we have seized
or else you are literally killing us because we're starving
to death and you're blocking humanitarian aid. But you see
when people use the term costplay, like costume plays and
you're pretending to be and this was a real costplay
moment because they are acting like they are in Gaza
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and they are cut off from humanitarian aid, but they're
doing so on an Ivy League campus in Manhattan on
the Upper West Side. And the notion also they would
they would die of dehydration. No one shut off water
to the building, like I'm sure everything should have I mean,
that's a whole other thing, but every bathroom has water.
No one's dying of dehydration this place. But it just
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shows what a bunch of pampered, narcissistic.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Loans they are. Do you want to get into some
of do you have?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I have an excerpt from that spokeswoman's bioph Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Want to hear the exp Let me let me read
what I've got for you, because you guys are gonna
all love this. I actually was wondering what her So,
this is what this person you just heard from? Do
you ever name? It's like Slutkin or something, right, Slutski
is the name that was reported Slutski. So that is
PhD student Slutsky. Just the fact, what an amazing Just
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the facts. Here is what she is doing her PhD in.
This is from her biography. My dissertation is on Fantasies
of limitless energy in the Transatlantic Romantic Imagination from seventeen
sixty to eighteen sixty. My goal is to write a
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prehistory of metabolic rift, Marxist term for the disruption of
energy circuits calls by industrialization under capitalism. I am particularly
interested in theories of the imagination and poetry as interpreted
through a Marxian lens, in order to update and propose
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an alternative to historicist ideological critiques of the Romantic imagination.
Prior to joining Columbia, I worked as a political strategist
for leftist and progressive causes and remain active in the
higher education labor movement. I'm sorry our country has failed.
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When someone can get a pH d in this, I'm
just this is worthless. When sometimes people say why do
you call them communists? I always just have to look
them in the eyes and say, because they're communists.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
This woman's a communist.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I mean she's devoted her life to vague Marxist theory
and education labor organization. Under any real, reasonable definition of
the communist ideology, this woman's a comedy, okay, And a
lot of these people on this campus are comedies.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
That's why I call them that.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
And what she wrote is it's amazing. It doesn't mean anything,
it makes no sense. It's actually gibberish. But what you
realize with the communists, and this is true for this
has been true for over one hundred years, is the
usage of jargon. And this kind of terminology is essentially
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about showing people your devotion to the movement.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
It is you're.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Supposed to say nonsense because the nonsense proves that you
are a true believer.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Do we have more.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I want more from Slutsky, This Slutsky chick, I mean,
she is really a luminous light of intellectual.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Cast is extructing other students. By the way, she's a ta.
So this Slutsky the ta is you're paying seventy grand
a year at a universe that admits like seven percent
or eleven percent or something of the people who apply.
And remember, you're supposed to the the the elite academic
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circles in this country.
Speaker 9 (13:14):
Tell you you're supposed to be impressed by Slutsky and
her ilk because they went to Columbia, And you're supposed
to think that she is incredibly educated, probably smarter than me,
than Clay, than everybody listening, because she went to Colombia.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
And this is what you get. You realize this is
all It's all a farce.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
These schools are preposterous Transatlantic Romantic imagination from seventeen sixty
to eighteen sixty on poetry, and not even just poetry.
I mean, Slutsky is a crazy person. What an amazing name,
by the way, I just you couldn't come up with
a better name, and it couldn't have a better time
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for me. And tell you about Hillsdale College either because
let me tell you also, we're gonna be joined. I
think I meant to mention this off the top, I
didn't Tulci Gabbert's gonna join us in like ten minutes.
She's at the top potentially of the Trump VP condition race.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
We'll see what you think of her.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And then another guy who's kind of tossed his name
in the VP race, Vivek Ramaswami, been on the show
a lot, will be on with us in the third hour.
But I went out to Seattle a couple of weeks
ago to speak at Hillsdale's event in that city, and
I sat next to doctor Larry Arn who runs Hillsdale,
and I got to be honest with you. When I
was sitting talking with him, I was thinking to myself,
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I would be very happy if all three of my
boys went to Hillsdale, because they do something radical. At Hillsdale,
they actually give you an education, and they teach you
things that matter, things that Slutski's not going to be
teaching you at Columbia.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Look, they don't use words.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Like they're not obsessed with diversity and incline illusion and
making sure that the meritocracy is replaced. They actually want
your kids to work and get an education, and that
means that they're not all going to get a's. You know,
they didn't shut down at all during COVID and they
kept in person classes going. How many other universities can
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even see that?
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Say that?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
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Speaker 1 (16:07):
Now its movement in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
That these protests on campus have been broken up in
a lot of places. But as I've been saying, just
because you arrest them doesn't mean that it all stops. Necessarily,
you're gonna have to also prevent them physically from re
entering to campus. Here is a Columbia University protester who's
straight up saying it, Oh, you know, people get let
out all the time here in New York because we
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don't take the criminal justice system seriously. And it'll be
just like that for the protesters play ten.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
So what will you guys do when the police come
right in here and you know, end up maybe handcuffying
people and arresting them.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
We'll do what we always done.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
We'll get arrested, just like the criminals in the subway.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
They always right back out in twenty four hours. He's
a point.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
They're not going to do for crimes like trespassing, criminal mischief, burglary.
They're not going to hold any of them. They are
all out already. I'm sure we saw the paddy wagons.
I'm irish, so I can say it. The paddy wagons.
That's where it comes from. Everybody, remember that. No one
complains about that anymore. They're all out, And now I
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think the question is are they going to try to
continue some kind of an occupation somewhere?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Well?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
The question also is have democrats realized how destructive this
all is such that they're going to try to turn
this off because to me, Buck, what this is really
just a preview for is Chicago. If I lived in
Chicago right now, I wouldn't want the Democrat Convention coming
to my city. We saw what happened to all of
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the main shopping areas in Chicago during the summer of
looting in twenty twenty. I'm not sure they're going to loot.
I'm sure they're going to burn, pillage and destroy. These
people are going to show up in Chicago in a bugs.
It's going to be a replica of sixty eight.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
I don't think so. I don't you think they're gonna
turn them off. I don't think they can turn them off.
I think that they know that Biden's part of the
evil machine and they don't want to help. They don't
want to allow Trump to win. We'll talk more about this. Guys,
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(19:10):
I figured you must love this. First, there's the end.
I saw you share the NYPD raising h the after
tearing down the Palestinian flag whatever that is, and raising
the NYP of raising the American flag. That's good, I mean,
that's that's good to see. But the the fraternity brothers
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you n C Frat bros. My wheelhouse holding up the
American flag. We saw Arizona State fraternity guys clearing up
the mess. You know, college campuses have gone crazy when
only frat guys still have a moral compass at all.
Maybe we need more toxic masculinity in this country. We
bring in now Tulsea Gabbard, former congresswoman from uh Hawaii
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in the mix for potentially being vice president for Donald Trump,
and so also, you've got a lot we'd like to
hit with you.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Appreciate you joining us. Would you have ever believed that
college campuses would be taken over by left wingers and
that they would be preventing Jewish students, for instance, on
UCLA from being able to walk through different parts of
campus because they were Jewish. Would you have thought that
(20:24):
you would see that in your life?
Speaker 8 (20:28):
You know, we've seen protests over generations on college campuses
across the country. You know, this has become increasingly so
as we look at the woke academics, professors who've taken
over so many of our universities. What I would not
have imagined is the blatant overt It's worse than anti
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Semitism because they're directly threatening violence or actually in gear
in violence, taking over these Ivy League schools, taking over
different universities and saying things. I mean, when you listen
to what they are saying. These are not peaceful protesters
calling for a ceasefire. These are people who are repeating
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violent lines coming from Hamas itself, an Islamist terrorist group.
People who are saying October seventh, the tragic, horrific attack
that Hamas waged against Israel. They say October seventh should
happen ten thousand times over. You have some professors at
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some of these Ivy League universities celebrating October seventh, calling
that terrorist attack an awesome day. I never would have
imagined that here in the United States we would have
young Americans in our universities celebrating a radical Islamus terrorist
group in Hamas that is no different than Al Qaeda
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or Ice. This is more than the problems with law
and order and the fact that we've got students and
faculty and professors, Jewish students, faculty and professors who cannot
walk through these schools, and other students who are not
Jewish who don't feel safe in their schools. Bigger than that,
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we have this ideological warfare being waged by a radical
Islamist terrorist group that is taking over our university, many
of our universities here in the United states. This should
be a major wake up call to everyone in this
country because what these terrorists want is not only to
wage these kinetic type of attacks. They are waging ideological
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warfare with the goal being to establish Islamists governance and
make us all live under Sharia law. That is their
end state.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Speaking to Telsey Gabbers, you got a book that just
came out yesterday, for Love of Country, Leave the Democrat
Paul already behind and Tulsi to that. And one of
the things that's getting a fair amount of attention is
the Biden administration's whiplash on this issue, or you know,
the back and forth, the both sides ism, the oh
(23:15):
well we don't want anti Semitism, but we also don't
want anti Islamism or whatever. Does Biden effectively have an
impossible task because as far as he's concerned, he can't
alienate even those who are anti Semites who love Hamas Like,
why is this so hard for him?
Speaker 8 (23:34):
He likes too many of the Democrats in power today,
these politicians in Washington, they are terrified of anger, the
promas apologist faction within the Democrats. As you pointed out,
there's labels long they are too back the ability of
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the distinction radical is and goals stives of exterminating all.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Full of killing's. Uh, Chelsea, I'm sorry to cut you off.
We're having a little bit of a breakup. Let's go
to break right now. Allie, Mac, you can you make
sure that she's good to come back with us. We'll
get that audio cleared up because I want you guys
to be able to hear exactly what she's saying, because
I do think it's incredibly important. So let's get that
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Speaker 4 (25:37):
She's a combat veteran currently serving as lieutenant colonel in
the US Army Reserve. New book Out for Love of
Country just came out yesterday. Tulsi, I want to jump
right back into it. We just had a little bit
of a comms issue there. So why is it so
hard for Biden in this White House to have moral
clarity on the issue of the campus protests?
Speaker 8 (25:59):
You know, it's very telling that President Biden himself has
not spoken out about these protests happening in campuses across
the country. And it's coming from one of two places.
One is he's either intellectually incapable of making the argument
and distinction to say, yes, I stand against anti Semitism
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and I stand against radical Islamist terrorists like Hamas and
the ideology that they are propagating, or he is terrified
of being called an islamophobe, which is why he is
being silent and cannot make that statement that I just
made with strength and clarity and unequivocation. We look at
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the lack of rule of law being enforced, how basic
law enforcement are being called in long after these people
have been disrupting the peace and making these campuses unsafe
for others. President Biden is so terrible of losing a
few votes amongst those who are pro Hamas or Hamas apologists,
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that he is failing at this very moment when the
country needs to hear with a clear voice from the
President of the United States that in this free country,
Jewish people, everyone must be allowed to walk safely and
free in our society. You know, you look again, another
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issue where there's a clear contrast between President Trump and
President Biden. I heard President Trump's statement loud and clear
that was similar to the one that I just stated,
pointing to the action that should be taken, and yet
President Biden is completely silent at this moment.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Paul, See, you and I have a similar political evolution.
I think in many ways, I voted Democrat, you were
a Democrat in Congress, and then I think we both
started seeing all the craziness going on. One of the
reasons why I think you would make an intriguing VP
choice for Trump is because you could speak to maybe
(28:08):
I think a lot of the people out there who
have had a similar political evolution as you and I
have and are out there willing to vote for someone
different if they acknowledge the fact that they have had
that political evolution. Do you think you could make that
case as Trump's VP two independent voters who might not
(28:29):
have been willing to vote for him in sixteen or
twenty And what would you say if Trump came to
you and said, Tulsi, I think you're the right choice
for VP for me, I think you're still a registered independent.
Would you be willing to become a Republican to run
and make that case?
Speaker 8 (28:49):
A few important points you brought up there, Clay, Yes,
I am uniquely able to connect with people across the
country who have walked a similar path that you and
I have, regardless of their political affiliation. They may still
be Democrats, they may have left the Democratic Party, but
people who are looking for someone to say, hey, come
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and stand with us as Americans who love our country,
who cherish peace and freedom, and who are deeply concerned
about how the Biden Heris administration is undermining some of
the most fundamental principles that make our country what it
is that make this country great. I have no doubt
because I've been already connecting and hearing from people who
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saw what I said when I left the Democratic Party,
who are starting to read my book and say, hey,
my gosh, this is exactly what I've been feeling and
what I've been thinking. This is an essential opportunity to
bring people together at a time when we need it
in order to save our country. If President Trump asked
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me to serve as his running mate to help beat
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris in this election so that
we can begin the important work of saving our country,
I would be honored to do so, and I would
work tirelessly to make this happen, because, like him, like you,
like most Americans, I love our country, and I believe
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that we can save our country, but only if we
take action now.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
And Tolsie, have you and the President spoken recently? Just
curious what you can tell us. I know you did
a fundraiser with him a little while back at mar
A Lago. I'm wondering, one if you've at least had
conversations with him about how you would like to help
in a future Trump administration, and if not, if you
can't speak to that. I also wanted to know just
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what you think about what's going on. You mentioned love
of country. I think it's very hard for anyone to
see what's going on in New York City and not
feel like something very fundamental about this nation is being
damaged when a political well the nominee effectively for a
political party, is being used in this way and attacked
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in this way.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
Yes, President Trump and I have spoken, and I won't
share the contents of a private conversation, but he knows,
he knows what motivates me. He knows my loyalty and
my commitment to serving our country. And I look forward
to and I'm hopeful of the opportunity to be able
to be in a position where we cannot only get
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our domestic policy back on track, but also get our
foreign policy in order and walk us back from the
brink of World War three and nuclear war. What's happening here,
and I'm calling you from New York City today, where
President Biden and his administration are engaging in this law
fair tying up the presumptive Republican nominee in court as
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long as possible and wherever possible to keep him off
the campaign trail and drain him of time and resources.
I just I hope that more and more Americans are
seeing what they are doing for what it is and
how undemocratic it is. This is undermining our democracy and
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our ability as Americans to have a free and fair election,
the thing that Democrats claim to stand for, they are
the ones who are actually undermining our democracy. We have
to point out that truth and make sure that those
who aren't watching it as closely as you and I
may be understand the reality about what's going on and
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the doubles speak and hypocrisy between what the Democrat elites
say and what they're actually doing, because what they're doing
is dangerous.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I agree with just about everything you're saying, Tulsi. Some
people will call into us, they will email us, and
they will say, well, given the fact that Trump is
seventy seven years old, I believe and he's going to
be if he wins in twenty twenty four, an older president,
the oldest president right alongside of that we could possibly
have you might, as VP have to end up being
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the president. I mean, that's a real concern with obviously
Kamala Harris. It would be the same concern with Trump,
even more so with Age. It's always a concern with VP.
What would you say to people who say she's a Democrat.
I'm not sure if I could trust her, given she's
going to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.
Speaker 8 (33:22):
I'm not a Democrat. I've always been an independent minded person.
I left the Democratic Party almost two years ago. More
important than that, though, I would just encourage people to
listen to what I'm saying, not only now, but what
I have been saying and the things that I have
been working on for our country for quite some time.
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I was no sweetheart of the Democratic Party while I
was in Congress, specifically because I challenged them on the
issues where they were undermining our country's interests, the interests
of the American people, and called them out when they
were wrong. There are going to be some issues we
agree on or disagree on, but fundamentally I am committed
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to protecting and defending the Constitution of the United States,
taking that oath that I swore both as a member
of Congress and as a soldier, where I still serve
to heart. This is an unwavering commitment, and my desire
to serve the American people is rooted in that commitment.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
We have a link up Tulsi's book at Clayanbuck dot com,
so we want to go and get your copy today.
For love of country, leave the Democrat Party behind, Tulsi.
We always appreciate when you make time for us, and
we hope down the line there's some exciting news about
how you can continue to serve the country in a
new role. So thank you for being with.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
Us, Thanks for having me on. Clay, great to talk
to you.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Aloha Helloha.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
So Clay, I got to say, it would be very interesting,
and I think that there's a lot that.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Would come from adding.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Her into the the situation with Donald Trump. I believe
that she's I mean, she's a convert effectively. I don't
think that she's somebody who still harbors I mean, you
can tell she has seen the Democrat beast and does
not want to be any part of it anymore, and
has really left that party. And I think to your
point about if you're trying to win over independence and people,
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you know you got right wing ground pounders like me
who are like I've been right wing since I could
spell my name. Yeah, yeah, well you know we got
a lot of those listening right now, obviously, But if
you want to win over some of those middle of
the road folks or some of those people who are
the persuadables, I think somebody who has herself been persuaded,
truly persuaded.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I see. I believe in her conversion.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
I mean, having spoken to her privately and personally, I
don't think she's playing some game now. I think she knows,
Oh my gosh, the Democrats are destroying the country. I
got to stop this.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I would be curious to hear from some of y'all
out there who heard that interview.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Eight hundred and two A two two eight A two.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I think she's firmly in the mix to be the
next vice president for Trump. I think Trump likes her
the reason I like her, and I'm not picking who
I think would be the best VP. I've said that
I think Tim Scott is going to be the pick,
and I still do. But the thing that I like
about her is, obviously you heard the question. I have
had a similar political evolution as her, and I think
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sometimes when you've seen that evolution, you are more committed
than somebody might have been if you've been a Republican
for forty years. I think she's scared of where she
sees the country going. And I just told you I
feel like right now, from a metaphor perspective back in
the day, this is like a stage coach that's out
of control. I don't know how many of you feel this,
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but if you remember the old Western when the horses
suddenly started to run and the stage coaches bucking along behind,
something's bad's happening.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
That's where we are. I feel like
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Absolute chaos last
night on college campuses from the East to the West
coast of the United States. Joe Biden responds this morning
by deciding to give you six billion dollars more national
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debt for art graduates.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
This is real.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Also, CBS reports that the White House is planning to
settle Gaza refugees, the same people that Egypt will not take,
the same people that just murdered twelve hundred innocent Jews.
They want the Biden administration does for you and me
and all of America to open our arms to the
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cold blooded killers there. This does not feel like a
very good decision. In many ways, it feels like the
Biden administration is actually trying to lose. They feel so
tone deaf and so out of touch with America that
every single day there is more evidence building that Joe
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Biden is the worst president in any of our lives
and is hapless and unable to find the right way
to bring America together. Remember, he famously claimed, based on
a lie, of course, that after Charlottesville he felt compelled
to run for president of the United States. Well, now
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there are hundreds, if not thousands of Charlottesville's taking place
all over the country and Biden is doing nothing to
stop it. Buck last night, credit to the NYPD who
Columbia finally called in to reclaim their property after idiot
protesters took over campus buildings to face them significantly based
(02:03):
on the videos that are being shared this morning of
what they did inside of those buildings. Simultaneously, a mass
brawl effectively broke out at UCLA where Jewish students were
not being permitted to enter many different parts of campus,
and that finally required an action to be taken from
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the Los Angeles Police Department to come in at the
UCLA encampment. Two different sides of the country, New York
and LA, both out of control, both virulently anti Semitic
in a way frankly that has never occurred that I
have seen in my life. The left is sick. Biden
has no answer because the Identity politics coalition that elected
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him is made up still of Jewish and Arab individuals,
and so he's trying to both sides it. He's trying
to do what he claimed Trump did false at Charlottesville,
and he's been doing it for six months. I think
we have a couple of clips here that I want
to play because I know a lot of the UCLA
and frankly, some of the Columbia related incidents may have
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happened after many of you tuned out for the night
and we're not paying attention.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And so I want to play.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Here is ABC seven helicopter reporter Chris Christy, not the
former governor of New Jersey, up in the air reporting
on what he was seeing. I shared this video. We'll
get Clay and Buck to share it as well. If
you're wondering what he was seeing. Three hours of riots
on UCLA's campus, no law enforcement intervention at all. Here
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is what he was reporting last night on the ABCLA affiliate.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Somebody is being beaten with a stick and punches in
the middle of the launch. Somebody is being badly beaten
at the bottom of that brawl right there. Look at that.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Look at that.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Somebody is being dragged and beaten in the front of
that that plywood wall. Just incredible, Like where are the police?
Where is security? Where are these people? But just are
where is authority here? It is something I have never
covered without any sign of enforcement, law enforcement security, whatsoever.
This has gone now on for over an hour and
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a half and it is absolutely appalling in my estimation
that we have not seen any response.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I mean, look, this is the March of the mouthcontents,
and there are so many different pieces coming together here.
First off, it is fascinating to watch how the Gaza
protesters or whatever we call manti Israel, the lunatics, but
the people protesting for Gaza in Colombia seem to be
(04:47):
really confused. They seem to think that they're also in
dire humanitarian.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
We need to play those clips. We need to play
these clips too. That was going to be the next
thing that I was gonna hit.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I mean, the uclathing was interesting just beca because you
had counter protesters who came in and were sick of
the intimidation and the cry baby antics of not only students,
but remember there's a lot of professional agitators. When we
told you this is basically BLM three point zero, as in,
this is the institutional protest left, the Elynski left, That's
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what this is. There are people who I can assure
you were arrested during the BLM protests as well. Who
are on these campuses in New York. There were at
Columbia and City University QUNI. There were a lot of
people reported by the NYPD who have nothing to do
with the school who are at these protests. Think about that,
you're not even a Columbia student and you're out there.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Like free, free Palestine.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
You're in some tent on the ground with a bunch
of college kids. People are loons. But this was the best,
I mean, this was my favorite, uh my favorite moment
of all the videos we've seen, and there's a lot
of it we'll talk about a lot today.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Was this woman who was speaking on behalf of the protesters.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
They had seized Hamilton Hall right at Columbia University, and
and she's speaking about how you know this is this
is a very upsetting moment for them because they're basically
in a humanitarian crisis.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And they need the school to give.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Them or to allow them or bring them food in
this situation. I will say I'll give David from credit
for this one. He tweeted out, Clay, you see that
the revolution will be catered? That one, which is pretty good.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
That is really very very funny that a great ed
here is one of these students demanding that you know,
they need human rights respected as well at Columbia, they
need food to be brought to them.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Play it.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Obligated to provide food to people who've taken over a building.
Speaker 7 (06:54):
Well, for first of all, we're saying that they're obligated
to provide food to students who pay for a meal here.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
But you mentioned that.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
There was a requested that food and water be brought
in unless.
Speaker 7 (07:04):
I to allow it to be brought in. I mean, well,
I guess it's ultimately a question of what kind of
community and obligation Columbia feels it has to its students.
Do you want students to die of dehydration and starvation
or get severely ill even if they disagree with you.
If the answer is no, then you should allow basic
I mean it's crazy to say because we're on an
ivy leage campus, but this is like basic humanitarian aid
(07:26):
we're asking for, Like could people please to have a
glass of water?
Speaker 4 (07:30):
This is amazing, almost spit by drink out humanitarian aid?
What because she has to walk ten blocks to Zabars.
Think about this for a second. This is wild. That's
a grocery store on the upper west side. If you
don't know, this is wild arvation.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
We also have a second part here where she gets
grilled even more and somebody just listen to part two
this and then Buck, I don't know if you did
you see who that this, this student in that you
are hearing talk this leader of the Columbia revolution on
behalf of hamas this student do you know what her
major is?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Buck?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
O Oh, I've got it all or we're gonna I've
got it all here, I've got all the reasons.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So I just this is a student, a PhD student
at Columbia who is talking.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Here is a follow up. I give credit to the
reporters here for.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Following up say hey, you know you're kind of stage
in a revolution and also demanding that the university bringing
you food. Here's part two of this brilliant dissertation here
from this Columbia student.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
But they didn't put themselves in that very deliberate thing,
in that situation and in that position. So it seems
like you're start of saying, we want to be revolutionari,
so we want to take up this building. Now, would
you please bring us some food on water?
Speaker 7 (08:44):
Nobody's asking them to bring anything everything. We're asking them
to not violently stop us from bringing in basic humanitarian aid.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
They're stopping that delivery of food.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
We are looking for a commitment from them that they will.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Not stop it by having stop it.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
Well, I don't I don't know to what extent it
has been attempted, but we're looking for a commitment Clay.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
She's basically saying, we need Uber Eats drivers to be
able to come to the campus building we have seized
or else you are literally killing us because we're starving
to death and you're blocking humanitarian aid. But you see
when people use the term costplay, like costume plays and
you're pretending to be and this was a real costplay
moment because they are acting like they are in Gaza
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and they are cut off from humanitarian aid, but they're
doing so on an Ivy League campus in Manhattan on
the Upper West Side. And the notion also they would
they would die of dehydration. No one shut off water
to the building, like I'm sure everything should have I mean,
that's a whole other thing, but every bathroom has water.
No one's dying of dehydration this place. But it just
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shows what a bunch of pampered, narcissistic.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Loans they are. Do you want to get into some
of do you have?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I have an excerpt from that spokeswoman's bioph Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Want to hear the exp Let me let me read
what I've got for you, because you guys are gonna
all love this. I actually was wondering what her So,
this is what this person you just heard from? Do
you ever name? It's like Slutkin or something, right, Slutski
is the name that was reported Slutski. So that is
PhD student Slutsky. Just the fact, what an amazing Just
(10:32):
the facts. Here is what she is doing her PhD in.
This is from her biography. My dissertation is on Fantasies
of limitless energy in the Transatlantic Romantic Imagination from seventeen
sixty to eighteen sixty. My goal is to write a
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prehistory of metabolic rift, Marxist term for the disruption of
energy circuits calls by industrialization under capitalism. I am particularly
interested in theories of the imagination and poetry as interpreted
through a Marxian lens, in order to update and propose
(11:15):
an alternative to historicist ideological critiques of the Romantic imagination.
Prior to joining Columbia, I worked as a political strategist
for leftist and progressive causes and remain active in the
higher education labor movement. I'm sorry our country has failed.
(11:35):
When someone can get a pH d in this, I'm
just this is worthless. When sometimes people say why do
you call them communists? I always just have to look
them in the eyes and say, because they're communists.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
This woman's a communist.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I mean she's devoted her life to vague Marxist theory
and education labor organization. Under any real, reasonable definition of
the communist ideology, this woman's a comedy, okay, And a
lot of these people on this campus are comedies.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
That's why I call them that.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
And what she wrote is it's amazing. It doesn't mean anything,
it makes no sense. It's actually gibberish. But what you
realize with the communists, and this is true for this
has been true for over one hundred years, is the
usage of jargon. And this kind of terminology is essentially
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about showing people your devotion to the movement.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
It is you're.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Supposed to say nonsense because the nonsense proves that you
are a true believer.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Do we have more.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I want more from Slutsky, This Slutsky chick, I mean,
she is really a luminous light of intellectual.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Cast is extructing other students. By the way, she's a ta.
So this Slutsky the ta is you're paying seventy grand
a year at a universe that admits like seven percent
or eleven percent or something of the people who apply.
And remember, you're supposed to the the the elite academic
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circles in this country.
Speaker 9 (13:14):
Tell you you're supposed to be impressed by Slutsky and
her ilk because they went to Columbia, And you're supposed
to think that she is incredibly educated, probably smarter than me,
than Clay, than everybody listening, because she went to Colombia.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
And this is what you get. You realize this is
all It's all a farce.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
These schools are preposterous Transatlantic Romantic imagination from seventeen sixty
to eighteen sixty on poetry, and not even just poetry.
I mean, Slutsky is a crazy person. What an amazing name,
by the way, I just you couldn't come up with
a better name, and it couldn't have a better time
(13:57):
for me. And tell you about Hillsdale College either because
let me tell you also, we're gonna be joined. I
think I meant to mention this off the top, I
didn't Tulci Gabbert's gonna join us in like ten minutes.
She's at the top potentially of the Trump VP condition race.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
We'll see what you think of her.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And then another guy who's kind of tossed his name
in the VP race, Vivek Ramaswami, been on the show
a lot, will be on with us in the third hour.
But I went out to Seattle a couple of weeks
ago to speak at Hillsdale's event in that city, and
I sat next to doctor Larry Arn who runs Hillsdale,
and I got to be honest with you. When I
was sitting talking with him, I was thinking to myself,
(14:35):
I would be very happy if all three of my
boys went to Hillsdale, because they do something radical. At Hillsdale,
they actually give you an education, and they teach you
things that matter, things that Slutski's not going to be
teaching you at Columbia.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Look, they don't use words.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Like they're not obsessed with diversity and incline illusion and
making sure that the meritocracy is replaced. They actually want
your kids to work and get an education, and that
means that they're not all going to get a's. You know,
they didn't shut down at all during COVID and they
kept in person classes going. How many other universities can
(15:18):
even see that?
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Say that?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
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Speaker 1 (16:07):
Now its movement in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
That these protests on campus have been broken up in
a lot of places. But as I've been saying, just
because you arrest them doesn't mean that it all stops. Necessarily,
you're gonna have to also prevent them physically from re
entering to campus. Here is a Columbia University protester who's
straight up saying it, Oh, you know, people get let
out all the time here in New York because we
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don't take the criminal justice system seriously. And it'll be
just like that for the protesters play ten.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
So what will you guys do when the police come
right in here and you know, end up maybe handcuffying
people and arresting them.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
We'll do what we always done.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
We'll get arrested, just like the criminals in the subway.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
They always right back out in twenty four hours. He's
a point.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
They're not going to do for crimes like trespassing, criminal mischief, burglary.
They're not going to hold any of them. They are
all out already. I'm sure we saw the paddy wagons.
I'm irish, so I can say it. The paddy wagons.
That's where it comes from. Everybody, remember that. No one
complains about that anymore. They're all out, And now I
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think the question is are they going to try to
continue some kind of an occupation somewhere?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Well?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
The question also is have democrats realized how destructive this
all is such that they're going to try to turn
this off because to me, Buck, what this is really
just a preview for is Chicago. If I lived in
Chicago right now, I wouldn't want the Democrat Convention coming
to my city. We saw what happened to all of
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the main shopping areas in Chicago during the summer of
looting in twenty twenty. I'm not sure they're going to loot.
I'm sure they're going to burn, pillage and destroy. These
people are going to show up in Chicago in a bugs.
It's going to be a replica of sixty eight.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
I don't think so. I don't you think they're gonna
turn them off. I don't think they can turn them off.
I think that they know that Biden's part of the
evil machine and they don't want to help. They don't
want to allow Trump to win. We'll talk more about this. Guys,
if you've been feeling low energy or you know, Heaven
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(19:10):
I figured you must love this. First, there's the end.
I saw you share the NYPD raising h the after
tearing down the Palestinian flag whatever that is, and raising
the NYP of raising the American flag. That's good, I mean,
that's that's good to see. But the the fraternity brothers
(19:31):
you n C Frat bros. My wheelhouse holding up the
American flag. We saw Arizona State fraternity guys clearing up
the mess. You know, college campuses have gone crazy when
only frat guys still have a moral compass at all.
Maybe we need more toxic masculinity in this country. We
bring in now Tulsea Gabbard, former congresswoman from uh Hawaii
(19:54):
in the mix for potentially being vice president for Donald Trump,
and so also, you've got a lot we'd like to
hit with you.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Appreciate you joining us. Would you have ever believed that
college campuses would be taken over by left wingers and
that they would be preventing Jewish students, for instance, on
UCLA from being able to walk through different parts of
campus because they were Jewish. Would you have thought that
(20:24):
you would see that in your life?
Speaker 8 (20:28):
You know, we've seen protests over generations on college campuses
across the country. You know, this has become increasingly so
as we look at the woke academics, professors who've taken
over so many of our universities. What I would not
have imagined is the blatant overt It's worse than anti
(20:54):
Semitism because they're directly threatening violence or actually in gear
in violence, taking over these Ivy League schools, taking over
different universities and saying things. I mean, when you listen
to what they are saying. These are not peaceful protesters
calling for a ceasefire. These are people who are repeating
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violent lines coming from Hamas itself, an Islamist terrorist group.
People who are saying October seventh, the tragic, horrific attack
that Hamas waged against Israel. They say October seventh should
happen ten thousand times over. You have some professors at
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some of these Ivy League universities celebrating October seventh, calling
that terrorist attack an awesome day. I never would have
imagined that here in the United States we would have
young Americans in our universities celebrating a radical Islamus terrorist
group in Hamas that is no different than Al Qaeda
(21:59):
or Ice. This is more than the problems with law
and order and the fact that we've got students and
faculty and professors, Jewish students, faculty and professors who cannot
walk through these schools, and other students who are not
Jewish who don't feel safe in their schools. Bigger than that,
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we have this ideological warfare being waged by a radical
Islamist terrorist group that is taking over our university, many
of our universities here in the United states. This should
be a major wake up call to everyone in this
country because what these terrorists want is not only to
wage these kinetic type of attacks. They are waging ideological
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warfare with the goal being to establish Islamists governance and
make us all live under Sharia law. That is their
end state.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Speaking to Telsey Gabbers, you got a book that just
came out yesterday, for Love of Country, Leave the Democrat
Paul already behind and Tulsi to that. And one of
the things that's getting a fair amount of attention is
the Biden administration's whiplash on this issue, or you know,
the back and forth, the both sides ism, the oh
(23:15):
well we don't want anti Semitism, but we also don't
want anti Islamism or whatever. Does Biden effectively have an
impossible task because as far as he's concerned, he can't
alienate even those who are anti Semites who love Hamas Like,
why is this so hard for him?
Speaker 8 (23:34):
He likes too many of the Democrats in power today,
these politicians in Washington, they are terrified of anger, the
promas apologist faction within the Democrats. As you pointed out,
there's labels long they are too back the ability of
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the distinction radical is and goals stives of exterminating all.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Full of killing's. Uh, Chelsea, I'm sorry to cut you off.
We're having a little bit of a breakup. Let's go
to break right now. Allie, Mac, you can you make
sure that she's good to come back with us. We'll
get that audio cleared up because I want you guys
to be able to hear exactly what she's saying, because
I do think it's incredibly important. So let's get that
cleared up. I want to tell you in the meantime, look,
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Speaker 4 (25:37):
She's a combat veteran currently serving as lieutenant colonel in
the US Army Reserve. New book Out for Love of
Country just came out yesterday. Tulsi, I want to jump
right back into it. We just had a little bit
of a comms issue there. So why is it so
hard for Biden in this White House to have moral
clarity on the issue of the campus protests?
Speaker 8 (25:59):
You know, it's very telling that President Biden himself has
not spoken out about these protests happening in campuses across
the country. And it's coming from one of two places.
One is he's either intellectually incapable of making the argument
and distinction to say, yes, I stand against anti Semitism
(26:20):
and I stand against radical Islamist terrorists like Hamas and
the ideology that they are propagating, or he is terrified
of being called an islamophobe, which is why he is
being silent and cannot make that statement that I just
made with strength and clarity and unequivocation. We look at
(26:43):
the lack of rule of law being enforced, how basic
law enforcement are being called in long after these people
have been disrupting the peace and making these campuses unsafe
for others. President Biden is so terrible of losing a
few votes amongst those who are pro Hamas or Hamas apologists,
(27:08):
that he is failing at this very moment when the
country needs to hear with a clear voice from the
President of the United States that in this free country,
Jewish people, everyone must be allowed to walk safely and
free in our society. You know, you look again, another
(27:28):
issue where there's a clear contrast between President Trump and
President Biden. I heard President Trump's statement loud and clear
that was similar to the one that I just stated,
pointing to the action that should be taken, and yet
President Biden is completely silent at this moment.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Paul, See, you and I have a similar political evolution.
I think in many ways, I voted Democrat, you were
a Democrat in Congress, and then I think we both
started seeing all the craziness going on. One of the
reasons why I think you would make an intriguing VP
choice for Trump is because you could speak to maybe
(28:08):
I think a lot of the people out there who
have had a similar political evolution as you and I
have and are out there willing to vote for someone
different if they acknowledge the fact that they have had
that political evolution. Do you think you could make that
case as Trump's VP two independent voters who might not
(28:29):
have been willing to vote for him in sixteen or
twenty And what would you say if Trump came to
you and said, Tulsi, I think you're the right choice
for VP for me, I think you're still a registered independent.
Would you be willing to become a Republican to run
and make that case?
Speaker 8 (28:49):
A few important points you brought up there, Clay, Yes,
I am uniquely able to connect with people across the
country who have walked a similar path that you and
I have, regardless of their political affiliation. They may still
be Democrats, they may have left the Democratic Party, but
people who are looking for someone to say, hey, come
(29:10):
and stand with us as Americans who love our country,
who cherish peace and freedom, and who are deeply concerned
about how the Biden Heris administration is undermining some of
the most fundamental principles that make our country what it
is that make this country great. I have no doubt
because I've been already connecting and hearing from people who
(29:34):
saw what I said when I left the Democratic Party,
who are starting to read my book and say, hey,
my gosh, this is exactly what I've been feeling and
what I've been thinking. This is an essential opportunity to
bring people together at a time when we need it
in order to save our country. If President Trump asked
(29:54):
me to serve as his running mate to help beat
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris in this election so that
we can begin the important work of saving our country,
I would be honored to do so, and I would
work tirelessly to make this happen, because, like him, like you,
like most Americans, I love our country, and I believe
(30:16):
that we can save our country, but only if we
take action now.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
And Tolsie, have you and the President spoken recently? Just
curious what you can tell us. I know you did
a fundraiser with him a little while back at mar
A Lago. I'm wondering, one if you've at least had
conversations with him about how you would like to help
in a future Trump administration, and if not, if you
can't speak to that. I also wanted to know just
(30:42):
what you think about what's going on. You mentioned love
of country. I think it's very hard for anyone to
see what's going on in New York City and not
feel like something very fundamental about this nation is being
damaged when a political well the nominee effectively for a
political party, is being used in this way and attacked
(31:04):
in this way.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
Yes, President Trump and I have spoken, and I won't
share the contents of a private conversation, but he knows,
he knows what motivates me. He knows my loyalty and
my commitment to serving our country. And I look forward
to and I'm hopeful of the opportunity to be able
to be in a position where we cannot only get
(31:29):
our domestic policy back on track, but also get our
foreign policy in order and walk us back from the
brink of World War three and nuclear war. What's happening here,
and I'm calling you from New York City today, where
President Biden and his administration are engaging in this law
fair tying up the presumptive Republican nominee in court as
(31:53):
long as possible and wherever possible to keep him off
the campaign trail and drain him of time and resources.
I just I hope that more and more Americans are
seeing what they are doing for what it is and
how undemocratic it is. This is undermining our democracy and
(32:14):
our ability as Americans to have a free and fair election,
the thing that Democrats claim to stand for, they are
the ones who are actually undermining our democracy. We have
to point out that truth and make sure that those
who aren't watching it as closely as you and I
may be understand the reality about what's going on and
(32:34):
the doubles speak and hypocrisy between what the Democrat elites
say and what they're actually doing, because what they're doing
is dangerous.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I agree with just about everything you're saying, Tulsi. Some
people will call into us, they will email us, and
they will say, well, given the fact that Trump is
seventy seven years old, I believe and he's going to
be if he wins in twenty twenty four, an older president,
the oldest president right alongside of that we could possibly
have you might, as VP have to end up being
(33:05):
the president. I mean, that's a real concern with obviously
Kamala Harris. It would be the same concern with Trump,
even more so with Age. It's always a concern with VP.
What would you say to people who say she's a Democrat.
I'm not sure if I could trust her, given she's
going to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.
Speaker 8 (33:22):
I'm not a Democrat. I've always been an independent minded person.
I left the Democratic Party almost two years ago. More
important than that, though, I would just encourage people to
listen to what I'm saying, not only now, but what
I have been saying and the things that I have
been working on for our country for quite some time.
(33:43):
I was no sweetheart of the Democratic Party while I
was in Congress, specifically because I challenged them on the
issues where they were undermining our country's interests, the interests
of the American people, and called them out when they
were wrong. There are going to be some issues we
agree on or disagree on, but fundamentally I am committed
(34:07):
to protecting and defending the Constitution of the United States,
taking that oath that I swore both as a member
of Congress and as a soldier, where I still serve
to heart. This is an unwavering commitment, and my desire
to serve the American people is rooted in that commitment.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
We have a link up Tulsi's book at Clayanbuck dot com,
so we want to go and get your copy today.
For love of country, leave the Democrat Party behind, Tulsi.
We always appreciate when you make time for us, and
we hope down the line there's some exciting news about
how you can continue to serve the country in a
new role. So thank you for being with.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
Us, Thanks for having me on. Clay, great to talk
to you.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Aloha Helloha.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
So Clay, I got to say, it would be very interesting,
and I think that there's a lot that.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Would come from adding.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Her into the the situation with Donald Trump. I believe
that she's I mean, she's a convert effectively. I don't
think that she's somebody who still harbors I mean, you
can tell she has seen the Democrat beast and does
not want to be any part of it anymore, and
has really left that party. And I think to your
point about if you're trying to win over independence and people,
(35:19):
you know you got right wing ground pounders like me
who are like I've been right wing since I could
spell my name. Yeah, yeah, well you know we got
a lot of those listening right now, obviously, But if
you want to win over some of those middle of
the road folks or some of those people who are
the persuadables, I think somebody who has herself been persuaded,
truly persuaded.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I see. I believe in her conversion.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
I mean, having spoken to her privately and personally, I
don't think she's playing some game now. I think she knows,
Oh my gosh, the Democrats are destroying the country. I
got to stop this.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I would be curious to hear from some of y'all
out there who heard that interview.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Eight hundred and two A two two eight A two.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I think she's firmly in the mix to be the
next vice president for Trump. I think Trump likes her
the reason I like her, and I'm not picking who
I think would be the best VP. I've said that
I think Tim Scott is going to be the pick,
and I still do. But the thing that I like
about her is, obviously you heard the question. I have
had a similar political evolution as her, and I think
(36:16):
sometimes when you've seen that evolution, you are more committed
than somebody might have been if you've been a Republican
for forty years. I think she's scared of where she
sees the country going. And I just told you I
feel like right now, from a metaphor perspective back in
the day, this is like a stage coach that's out
of control. I don't know how many of you feel this,
(36:36):
but if you remember the old Western when the horses
suddenly started to run and the stage coaches bucking along behind,
something's bad's happening.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
That's where we are. I feel like
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