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May 29, 2024 36 mins
New York Times lies about Justice Alito's flags flown at his beach home in attempt to disqualify him ahead of Trump immunity decision. CNN puts up Trump verdict clock. Alito says he will not recuse himself from Trump case, explains his wife flew the flags and refused to take them down. Louisville drops all charges against PGA golfer Scottie Sheffler. C&B take calls. Clay predicts mistrial.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, second hour, clay An Buck kicks off, and
this is a story that you might not have heard
much about. We'll give you the details and the backstory
on it so we can dive into why it is meaningful. Flags.
A lot of focus on them from the New York Times.
Why Who's flags? Oh, Supreme Court.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Justice Elito and flags that have flown years ago at
two of his different residences, one in Alexandria, Virginia, which,
of course, as we know, has also been the site
of lunatic left wing protesters intimidating a member of the
federal judiciary, which is a federal crime, not enforced, of course,

by the Biden administration, because intimidating conservative constitutionalists Supreme Court justices.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Is considered okay by Democrats. The law doesn't really count.
Remember that, while they're prosecuting Trump in New York City,
defending Supreme Court justices, even after there was a lunatic
who showed up who said he wanted to assassinate a
conservative Supreme Court justice, It's not something that Biden doj
is really focused on. There's probably an anti abortion protester

somewhere who said a mean thing to a planned parenthood
clinic member who needs to be thrown in prison for
thirty years. You know, there's other things that the DOJ
focus is on, but let's get into this. Here you go.
This is the New York Times headline, the Alito's the
neighborhood clash and the upside down flag inside the escalating

conflict on a bucolic suburban street that Justice Alito said
prompted a stop the steel symbol at his home. Now,
first of all, it is not a stop this steal symbol.
But they pick and choose the meanings of things. And
this comes of course from the same Democrats who I
remember years ago were insistent that the word jihad had

nothing to do with Holy warm was only about internal struggling.
Do you remember that claim Gha was just trying to
be a better person. And all these people running around
who were yelling about I'm doing jihad and blowing myself
up and killing all these people, they were just confused
about the nature of jihad. It really just meant internal
striving and struggling to be a better person. All these

Jihada's terrorists were confused, so they pick and choose meaning
as they see fit for the political purposes of the moment.
I think that's important the basics of this, because they
go deep into the story Clay, They're going back into
phone calls made in twenty twenty one. Here you had
Alito in Alexandria, his wife Martha, and Alito live next

to Is this going to surprise anyone? A failed actress
from New York City with crazy eyes living with her
boyfriend at her parents' home. Okay, so that is the
neighbor of Alito's, of the Alitos, and she started putting
profane signs out, you know, bleep Trump and stuff like that.

And so in response, the Alitos on January seventeenth of
twenty twenty one, had an upside down flag outside their home.
They say it is because they really felt the country
was in distress. The New York Times is trying to
make the case that this is somehow tied to stop
the steel and the insurrection and blah blah, all that

not content to merely get into this squabble where by
the way, the crazy eyed failed actress, democrat, Black Lives
Matter protester, lady white liberal female. So we're all clear,
the people white leftists, white left wing females who fail
at their at their chosen path in life, probably doing
more to destroy America than any other group of human beings,

just saying, and that includes those who have you know, married,
married billionaires and gotten divorced and now want to fund
every terrible left wing calls on the planet because you know,
they have no purpose otherwise. But this woman called the justices,
you know, senior citizen wife a word that I obviously

can't stay on radio. But it's it's even worse than
the B word. How about that it's the worst one
than the B word. She admits in the article to
just calling her neighbor this word because she didn't like
the flag. So she's a really stable, good person. The
New York Times then dove in Clay. Sorry, I know
we're getting deep into the details here, but just whoeveryone
knows to a appeal to Heaven flag that flew at

the Alito's New Jersey summer home residents and the appeal
to Heaven? Where have you seen that before? Well, they
go into some of the history of this. You can
find out that it was it was the maritime flag
of the Massachusetts state after seventeen seventy six, and it
was used at basically in the American Founding. It appears,

as I understand to Clay in the trailer for the
John Adams series on HBO. So it's a little bit
like like the Gods Didn't flag in that sense, it's
an Revolutionary era flag that some people still fly because
of those Revolutionary founding father's spirit. Guess what, Clay, they
found that Alito had one of those. Now they're running
pieces like this. The Appeal to Heaven flag evolves from

revolutionary war symbol to banner of the far right that
was just published a few days ago. What are they
trying to do to Alito with these flag deep dives
is where I want to hand it off to you.
Something is up here.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Let me also mention that the Alitos have a lot
of flags. The one that I was most offended by
was the Philadelphia Phillies flag. I would have expected better
of justice Alito than to be a Phillies fan. I'm
saying that as a Braves fan, but it is worth
mentioning that they have a bunch of flags. Based on
the photos that I have seen, this is not a

one off thing, including a Phillies flag that they fly.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
So they're sports.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Fans, So I am of the belief. I was talking
about this with U off air. We were texting about
it last night. These flags flew in twenty twenty one,
and I think this is really important. The Washington Post
Supreme Court reporter got tipped off about this in twenty
twenty one, went to the residence, interviewed the Alitos at

that time, and The Washington Post decided in twenty twenty
one that this was not a story worthy of writing.
The New York Times then says that they became tipped
off to it years later, and they've put it on
the front page of their newspaper multiple days. Why Why
did they suddenly resurrect a story, Buck, I think it's

fair to say that the Washington Post is no great
fan of Justice Alito or any Trump Supreme Court appointee.
Why did they resurrect this story from twenty twenty one
and suddenly decide to run it in the late spring
early ish of twenty twenty four, And why would they

try to turn this into a multi week story. To me,
and this is my theory, I think they know that
the Trump Immunity ruling is going to come down in
Trump's favor. I think they believe it's going to be
five to four, and they want Alito knocked out of

being able to have a vote in this case, which
would then put it four four and would not allow
there to be a change of the decision that was
made from the Circuit Court. Now, people out there can
call and you can react to this. Certainly, they have
been attacking the Supreme Court Justice Thomas amy Cony Barrett.

The Rolling Stone has a story up today where shutterer
amy Cony Barrett. Her husband is one of the lawyers
who is representing Fox and suddenly meaning the larger Fox
corporation information claims that they still have outstanding. Her husband
is a highly trained attorney. I don't know why this
would be a surprise at all, but they're trying to

make it seem very nefarious, as if there's something that
is not honest going on here. I think they know
inside of the times what the result of this case
is going to be, or they highly suspect that it's
going to be a five to four decision, and they
are trying to knock Alito out of being able to

be involved because they don't want Trump to get a
positive result in the immunity case. That's my theory of
why this is resurrected in twenty four. There is I
think basically no chance that Alito. I mean it would
be I would give you less than a one percent
shot that he actually recuses himself based on any of this.
He's not going to do it. There's no basis for
him doing it. So I don't even think it's about

trying to pressure him to get that result Clay just
because there's no chance. I think it is trying to
delegitimize the conservative is on the court because they know
there are decisions, and specifically Alito. They know there are
decisions that are coming down that they will not like
as it pertains to Trump, and they're holding out. I

think hope that let's say Joe Biden is able to
hold on in some way. I mean, Democrats will pack
the court. It is just a question of when. In
their minds, they're just waiting for when they have the
votes to do it and they decide to pull.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
The trigger, they decide that they're gonna use the political will.
So that's one component of it. I think it's just
the undermining because I mean, do you think Alito, based
on any of the think they could be trying to
So here's my concern. But do you see what I'm saying?
The pressure campaign has zero chance of working. That's not well.
My concern that it could work on John Roberts. And
that's why aren't they going after Roberts going after it.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Because he didn't he didn't do it. They're using Alito
to attack Roberts. I think he's wobbly again. I think
it's messy because of the past history. It just does
it make sense to me that they would sit on
this for three years The Washington Post, why didn't they
write this story three years ago? They know there's the
the immunity case is coming down soon, right, we know

that for sure? Yeah, I and you and I see
that the same way they're gonna say that Trump, They're
gonna come back with some version of the specific, some
more specific version of what kind of immunity present has
and kick it to the lower courts. I think we
both see that as the likeliest outcome, and I think
that is what's going to happen here.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
They want to tell their audience New York Times, ap
et cetera, all these different outlets that they want to
undermine the conservatives on the Court as much as they can,
because this is going to go to the heart of
the narrative which you brought up before, of Trump is
illegitimate and a threat to a threat to democracy, and
they're losing their grip on the threat to democracy stuff

via the law Fair campaign. But they may try to say,
just look they did in two thousand and bush by
Gore Trump, everything about him is illegitimate, even the Supreme
Court stuff that holds up his rights or that that's
illegitimate too. So to me, it's it's smearing them all. Also,
I think they just hate Aledo. I think they hate
him in a way that's irrational to all of us

because of what he did for the abortion decision, in
the you know, writing the Dobbs decision. I think that
they can't help themselves. You know, you've ever been around
somebody who knows it's not a good idea to attack
somebody at a dinner or something. But they just load
them so much that they kind of say they let
things rip anyway, and you're like, oh gosh, you know,
you know what I mean, I've seen what I've seen

that happen before, where it's clearly unwise, but they'll do
it anyway. I'm not sure it's unwise for them, but
it's definitely uncouth. It's definitely showing their hand. Clay. I
just think the mainstream Democrat legacy media hates Justice Alito,
and so they're willing to go down this rabbit hole
on the flag. I'm not saying that's a primary. I
think you're right on the pressure side of this as

the primary. But I do think that whenever you're talking
about Alito and Thomas, they just low. You know, they
don't feel the same way about Amy Coney Barrett or Gorsics.
They just don't. They hate Alito and Thomas.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
They really Gorsuch gets off with no criticism, relatively speaking,
and I don't know why that is, but I ranked
them as you were talking. Clarence Thomas clearly the most hated.
I think Alita well, but Kavanaugh clearly has been ripped
to the shreds. I'd put him second, Alito third, Amy
Coney Barrett fourth. It feels like all four of those

they've had people going after over the years. Roberts and
Gorsach don't get as much of an attack. We'll take
some of your calls on this, and also I want
to just talk about the way that this is so
dishonest to me because the story is laundered through the
New York Times, which has really just become a propaganda

arm of the Democrat Party, and they want the Times
to write it so they then can then claim the
Democrat Party, can oh, look this independent are or a
fact is actually coming down on our side. We had
nothing to do with this. We're just reacting. We're talking
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Reminder that the jury has the k in New York City,
and we will update you as soon as any of
this might come out. But we're talking about the Supreme
Court and the immunity case that potentially will be resolved
either next month or early in July if they hold
it a bit. Here's the other thing that I think

all of you need to be aware of. They wandered this.
This gets me so fired up, and I think it's
important to take you behind the sort of the curtain here.
This is all Democrat operatives deciding to waunder this story
through the New York Times. This is not a legitimate
news story. If it was, the Washington Post would have

written it back in twenty twenty one. They made the decision.
They made the decision to go after Alito, and they
use the New York Times to do it. You pointed
out we were talking off Airbuck. It's like planting evidence
and then saying.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Like, oh, look at what the police found. This is crazy.
Who could have ever known this was here.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
This is a targeted attempt to go after him and
his family because they don't like his decisions as a judge.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg made far more politically inflammatory comments by
far during her tenure and The New York Times lionized
her as a great workout star. Remember all these articles

they had about her personal.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, it was bizarre. There was this RBG workout cult thing.
I was like, she's a tiny, decrepit woman. Everyone calm down,
like this is very weird, Like look at how many
look at how long she can plank for. There were
videos about this. It was weird, okay, And I'm not
one to throw around my Jim prowess, but I'm just saying,
you know, RBG was not my gym hero. There's something

else about this too. They've been trying to do this
with Justice Thomas through Ginny Thomas forever as well. They've
been trying to say, well, she's you know, she has opinions,
therefore Justice Thomas can't be on the case. What are
you talking about. That's not how this works, right, It's
not unless there's a monetary incentive of some kind. Your
spouse having opinions or saying things in public does not

mean that you, as a judge, recuse yourself from anything
having to do with you know. But they've been trying
this for a long time with her as well, with
Justice Thomas as well. It's not going to work, you see.
By the way, it's reminded me of back Remember when
they had a COVID death clock on CNN. You know
of all the people that have died from COVID. Oh yeah,
of course.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
You know.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
CNN has a jury deliberation clock on the screen right now.
Do you know that they're running a minute by minute?
You know, I don't. I don't hate it.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
If you're desperate for people to be why the showman
does not hate just doesn't.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
I don't hate it.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
You know.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
I went to Fox News and said, instead of the
COVID illegal illegal immigrants for sure immigrant ticker, I said,
we should have an illegal immigrant ticker on the front
page of Fox.

Speaker 4 (17:52):

Speaker 1 (17:52):
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out our timing today is really something we were just
talking about. The deep dive into flags, the appeal to
Heaven flag, like they're practically flying the stars and stripes
over there too.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
The appeal to Heaven flag outside of a justice Alito
Beach home from three years ago, very upsetting to The
New York Times. We discussed why they might be doing this,
and I said to you, I believe I would say
almost exactly ten minutes ago the chance. Yes, I agree
with Clay. They want to put pressure on Aledo. The
chance of Alito recusing over this, as I said, is

absolutely zero. I said, there's no chance of Alido doing it.
And now we have a statement that was just released
as we are on air with You Live from Justice Alito,
who wants to guess Clay go ahead. He is responding,
and again this is where I talk about the way
that this is wandered. After the New York Times story
which Democrats got them to write, multiple senators demanded that

Alito recuse himself. Alito now has just released a letter
to Durban and White House, two Democrat senators, and he says,
this is in response to your letter of May twenty
third to the Chief Justice, which I was saying John Roberts,
requesting that he takes steps to ensure I recuse in

Trump the United States and any other cases quote related
to the twenty twenty presidential election or quote the January
sixth attack on the Capitol. And he cites the code
of conduct and says that it does not disqualify him
because his impartiality might not reasonably be questioned here. He

then explained the two incidents you cite again, these flag
flying incidents don't meet conditions for recusal and this is
kind of funny, I thought, Buck, as I was reading it.
The first incident cited concerns the flying of an upside
down American flag outside the Virginia house where my wife
and I zide, and he said, I.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Had I'm reading. I had nothing whatsoever to do with
the flying of that flag. I was not even aware
of the upside down flag until it was called to
my attention. As soon as I saw it, I asked
my wife to take it down, but for several days
she refused.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
I just I want to pause here for a guy
is married. The guy is married, you know what I mean.
He's got to do what he's gotta do.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
There's a lot of married men out there, Buck, you're
a newly married man my wife. And then he continues,
My wife and I own our Virginia home jointly. She
therefore has the legal right to use the property as
she sees fit, and there were no additional steps I
could have taken to have the flag taken down more promptly.

My wife's reasons for flying the flag are not relevant
for present purposes, but I note that she was greatly
distressed at the time, doing a large part to a
very nasty neighborhood dispute in which I had no involvement.
A house on the street displayed a sign attacking her personally,
and a man who was living in the house at
the time trailed her all the way down the street

and berated her in my presence, using foul language, including
what I regard as the vilist epithet that can be
addressed to a woman.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yes, than the bee word, The one that's worse than
the bee word. Yeah, starts with the C.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
In case you're wondering, my wife wouldn't recommend to use it,
especially not with a woman. My wife is a private citizen.
She possesses the same First Amendment rights as every other American.
She makes her own decisions, and I've always respected her
right to do so. She's made many sacrifices to accommodate
my service on the Supreme Court, including the insult of

having to endure numerous loud, obscene, and personally insulting protests
in front of our home that continue to this day
and now threatened to escalate. This is important. That is illegal.
They are not enforcing the law to protect Supreme Court justices.
We know this because someone tried to kill Brett Kavanaugh.

Remember before the Roe v. Wade case. Until the case
is published, the case is not law.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
I am.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
I'm continuing to read. I am confident a reasonable person
who is not motivated by political or ideological considerations or
desire to affect the outcome of the Supreme Court cases
would conclude the events are counted above do not meet
the applicable standard for recusal. I am therefore required to
reject your request. That is the official letters that has

just been released.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
This is Elito kind of like that Leonardo DiCaprio meme,
but he's not using any profanity where he's like, I'm
not leaving. Alito is not leaving. He's not recusing. He
is not stepping down. Sorry, Libs. Nice tried, but not
even close, not even close. But I think it does
go to the anxiety they have Clay over some of
the super Court decisions that are coming this way, and

they are hoping that they can at a minimum delegitimize,
if not pressure, I mean pressuring Alito, you know, good luck,
like they've been pressuring Thomas, as I said, for thirty
something years, and it doesn't Thomas loves to just you know, crush, crush,
the communists hopes and dreams at every opportunity. So yeah,
I think it's a couple of more funny quotes. By

the way, from this letter, my wife is fond of
flying flags. I am not, which is a very funny line.
My wife was solely responsible for having flags put up
at the residents and our vacation home, and she's flown
a wide variety of flags over the years, and I
thought this is funny. In addition to the American flag,
she's flown other patriotic flags and flags of nations from

which the ancestors of family members came, flags of places
we have visited, seasonal flags, and religious flags, and we
get with the appeal to Heaven flag. He addressed both
of these stories that specifically have been written.

Speaker 4 (25:03):

Speaker 1 (25:04):
One thing that I will say, and this just came
up in one of our one of our commercial breaks.
Clay did not warn me that as a married man,
it is my duty to smell all questionable meat in
the refrigerator and make the final determination. But it's whether
it's like safe to eat or spoiled. But once is
not enough. I usually have to smell it a couple

of times to make sure that she truly believes that
I have given enough smelling of the spoiled meat to
make that determination. I had never done this before I
was married. I did not know that this was this
was a thing I usuld just go. It looked okay,
no problem, but I am forced to smell this. Clay
tells me he does not have to smell the possibly
expired meat as part of his gig, So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Well, that's just because my wife rightly recognizes that I
can't smell anything. I mean, I I think I have
no now. I mean not like I'm not like a
one of these COVID long sufferers who claims it. I mean,
I can smell like road, you know, sense of smell.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
But if you ever lose your sense of taste during
COVID that when I had COVID, that did happen to me.
And I remember just ordering lots of really spicy food
because I had learned from the interwebs that your ability
to detect spice is like heat based, it's not sensory
taste based. So you could pick up spice even if
you couldn't pick up salty, sweet and sour important stuff.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
That's true, I had no I had other than like
a mild cold. The multiple times that I know of
that I had COVID, I had like I mean, it
was I would rather have had a lot of bad
colds rather than I would rather have COVID than a
lot of bad colds I've had. Do you think, by
the way, this is I'm still laughing about this flag situation.

This is utterly absurd. Alito having to have conversations with
his wife about the fact that he was going to
write a long letter about the flags that she's been
flying outside of the house is one has to have
been one of the most ridiculous Supreme Court discussions ever.
Because I bet Alito, even though he's one of the

nine most powerful jurists on the planet. I bet he
gets to decide nothing inside of his house, right, I mean, has.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Married, he wants to stayment. This is what you saw.
There was a letter of a Supreme Court justice who
is one not recusing himself and two correct not planning
on getting divorced.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
I just I love the idea that he is all powerful,
that he can decide whether abortion is legal in the country,
that he can decide whether Trump has a presidential immunity,
But he can't even decide what flags fly outside of
his actual house, and that I'm not kidding strikes me
as exactly one hundred percent true for the vast majority

of married men in the country. If your wife's really
into flags, and it sounds like she is because this list,
he's sports teams flags, college flag she is a flag
flying fan. The last thing you want to do is
get into a dispute with her over what flag she
could fly.

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not recuse himself over the flag related incidents and more

legal related news for those of you out there who
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video came out of the arresting officer. Scheffler has pretty
good attorneys, I would imagine, as a millionaire charged with
a crime often does.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
And the Louisville DA.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Has announced that based on the evidence, they have dropped
all charges against Scotty Scheffler. So that entire store, crazy
as it was, of him being arrested almost missing his
tea time, is officially resolved in that respect.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Can I just say I saw that as a news story, Clay,
and I just remember reading the headlines and they made
it sound serious. Oh yeah. Then they said that the
police officer said he was dragged by a car, and
you know, they made it seem like it was a
really big deal. And then there's video and now they
dropped the whole thing. Something really funky went on here,

something something, This was not acceptable.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
When the Louisville cop didn't have the functioning camera that
he's supposed to have, you know, it's a bad sign.
They found footage of from a further distance didn't look
like Scotty Scheffler really did anything wrong. The cop overreacted.
We've said this for a long time. Most cops are
good at their jobs, and they have an incredibly difficult job,

and we were speck the heck out of him. Doesn't
mean that cops don't make mistakes too, and sometimes the
mistakes are more serious. This one, in the grand scheme
of things, not super serious in terms of the injury
to the cop or any injury to Scotti Scheveler or
anything like that. But this cop appears to have been
out of wine and uh and as a result, the

charges have been dropped and there doesn't seem to have
been a major harm here other than Scotty Scheffler having
to spend a couple of hours in prison. And actually
I think he helped his overall notoriety and fame in
the end result here.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, this guy who's the guy who threw the chair
off the roof that is just selling out wall and
three straight days sold out in Nashville, sold out everything.
You know, he threw a chair off the roof and
his ticket sales went up. No one seems to care.
So you know, sometimes these things, these things have unexpected
situations that occurred. You want to take some of these calls? Yeah,

let's take something my Crockett coffee which is delicious at
Crocket Coffee.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Dot Linda in Bernie, Texas. Linda, what you got for us? Hi?

Speaker 4 (33:06):
There, guys, I just have a question. This judge has
been so biased in this whole thing of favoring the prosecution.
What are the chances, in your opinion of him, if
this goes to appeal of him being brought up and disbarred?

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Zero percent? Zero.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Thank you for the Call's addressed it.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
This is part of the problem here is the system
that this has been brought under in New York. It
has to function the way that it is set up,
and so there's going to be an appeal. I think
Clay's right. I think on appeal, I'm not as certain
he is as Clay is that this will be overturned,
but I think there's a good shot that there will
be some stuff on appeal just because it makes the

whole It'll be less important politically by the time they
look at this, so there won't be the same Oh
my gosh, the election looming and this makes the whole
New York judicial system look like a farce, and I
think there'll be some awareness of that. I'm not convinced
that they will, you know, overturn if there's a guilty verdict.
The it's all assum there's a guilty verdict. I'm not
convinced that will happen, but it could happen. I think

it's far likely or that will happen. Then say, you'll
get a not guilty verdict coming in the next few days.
But unfortunately, judges and prosecutors have a lot of power
and authority. It is very hard to get rid of them.
It's especially hard to get rid of them in a
one party state, effectively like New York. In a politicized case, right,

I mean, it would be like asking, you know, why
don't Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer work together to remove
some Democrat left wing justice on the federal bench. Well,
because they don't want to, right, That's why. And they're
the check and balance in a sense, or rather, Democrats
are the check and balance on the judiciary in New York,

it's not going to work. The standard for removal of
a judge or even disbarment of a lawyer is typically
pretty high. Now, I will make a couple of caveats here.
I think that there have been several people who represented
Trump in Blue state and blue city jurisdictions that have
been treated unfairly as it pertains to their law license.

Usually you have to engaged in criminal behavior, and so
I think there's a zero percent chance on that one.
Mark in Savannah. Yeah, Claive, before you get Mark, we'll
get through the second as well, say, there have been
judges that have been removed I think for public drunkenness
or drunkenness on the bench, and judges have been impeached.
But see why that might be. It might be a negative.
Is fair? That seems fair?

Speaker 3 (35:41):
You show up in your slosh, You're like, oh here,
you know, court to order. That's not good, but probably
hard to manage. I would imagine a courtroom while wasted.
Mark in Savannah, Georgia what you got for us.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Yeah, guys, as as competitive as you all are, I'm
surprised you haven't taken a bet on how long the
jury is going to have this case.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Oh that's a good think about the timeline. You know,
do you think it's going to be short long?

Speaker 4 (36:09):
And if it is short and long, is that good
or bad?

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Okay, Clay, ready, we got to just fire on this one.
You call sir for Martin Marcusavna. Don't get mad at me, everybody.
I'm just making a prediction, Okay. I think the verdict
is guilty. I think we know before the weekend.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
I think that they will The faster it comes back,
the worse it is for Trump. So if they came
back today, for instance, I would almost certainly guarantee it's
going to be guilty. The longer it goes, the better
for him. I Well, the reason why I don't know
what I think there's going to be a mistrial. I
think there's going to be a mistrial. My prediction here
at least one judge or and the reason why, I

don't know when that would happen.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
When do we know?

Speaker 4 (36:46):

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Do we know that?

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Well? One, I think that merchand will make them fight
it out. I think it'll be next week, next week. Okay,
he did get it in the

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