February 18, 2025 • 36 mins
Senator Cotton tells us the Seven Things You Can't Say About China. Delta crash landing in Toronto raises questions about aviation safety. Do you believe in Big Foot? Clay thinks an advanced civilization is responsible for the Egyptian pyramids.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Second hour. Clay in Buck kicks off now.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
I think we will be joined shortly, hopefully by Senator
Tom Cotton, who's got a book out.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
We're talking about national security.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Trump's efforts to get the Russia Ukraine war to come
to a ceasefire, Iran, China.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
A lot of stuff, a lot of things to dive into.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
And if he's jammed up and can't join us today,
I'm sure it'll be like Rubio where we get him
the next day. So in the meantime, I just wanted
to take a moment here, Clay. I'm sure you saw it.
These these videos of the Tronto of the plane crash,
the Delta Crowley. Now it's one of these crashes where
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you could say everybody walked out of this plane. There's
some injuries, eighteen injuries, but nobody. We have the Senator
right now. Oh okay, Well, I'll come back and talk.
I want to get into the analysis of the Delta
plane crash. I've been texting my pilot, friends and family
all morning about it.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
We'll get to that.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Center of Cotton appreciate you being with us, Sir, I
know you've got a new book out, Seven Things you
Can't Say about China. Why don't we start with that?
Actually before we got a lot of things to run
through with you today. But what are some things you
can't say about? Why can't we just say whatever we
want about China? This is in Germany. They're not knocking
down doors for memes yet.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Thanks guys for having me on to talk about Seven
Things you Can't Say about China. I focused in the
book's title on the censorship aspect of it because it
highlights the pervasive influence and leverage that China has throughout America.
You know, you might recall five years ago, I think
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five years ago this week in the Winner of twenty twenty,
that I first said the Wuhan coronavirus probably came from
that super lab in Wuhan, not from the food market.
I expected Chinese Communist officials to me for that and
say that it was false. But if you recall, it
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was also piled on by lots of the American elites
Washington Post, CNN, The New York Times and others, in
part because so many American elites are met ready to
man the ramparts on behalf of communists China. So the
seven things you can't say, and I go through each
one of these chapter by chapter, is that China is
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an evil empire. China's preparing for war, China is waging
in economic World war. China has infiltrated our society, China
has infiltrated our government. China is coming for our kids,
and China could win. It's that economic World War that
has really got China to the point of power and influence.
Of course, one it underwrites the massive military build up,
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the largest in history, that allows China prepare for war,
but it also gives them vast influence in American and business,
education and cultural institutions, and our governments as well. A
simple and maybe well known example is Hollywood. When was
the last time you saw a Chinese villain in a
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Hollywood movie. It's been a very long time, because when
Brad Pitt made Seven Years in Tibet in nineteen ninety seven,
China came down on him in the studio like a
ton of bricks, and studio executives knew from that point forward,
you can't say anything bad about China, otherwise they'll cut
off access to the lucrative and massive Chinese movie market.
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But guys, did you know, because I think a lot
of Americans don't know that every network except for Fox
News is owned by or affiliated with one of those
Hollywood studios ABC and Disney, CBS and Paramount NBC and
MSNBC by Comcast Universal, CNN by Warner Brothers. Is a
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surprise those networks host to presidential debate and don't ask
single questions about China. That Fox News is consistently the
network that is strongest on China, the most clear eyed
about his breathday post. I don't think it is. And
that's replicated across so many segments of our society, whether
it's corporate America, Wall Street, professional sports, higher education, all
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designed to protect China as it goes forward with its
campaign to replace America as the world's dominant military and
economic superpower.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I love everything you just laid out, and it is fascinating.
I never really thought about the overlap between the news
business and the Hollywood studios where I came from. Senator Cotton,
you may well remember World of Sports. I've never seen
anything like the NBA's bending of the need to China.
They would rip American institutions to the high heavens. It's
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actually how they've destroyed, in my opinion, much of their brand.
People love basketball. They don't like being lectured by multimillionaire
athletes about how awful America is while they simultaneously bend
the need to China. I saw recent reports that the
NBA may be about to go back to China. What
does that impact? And I don't know how much you
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talk about it in the book, but I think it's
incredibly impactful what they have allowed the NBA to do,
which is rip America to shreds while saying nothing at
all critical of China because they're afraid of what China
will do to them.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah, I write about it some link to Again, I
think it's important that Americans know that. You know, it's
not just you know, Chinese spies in Washington who are
trying to steal intelligence or military secrets. The threat, again,
is pervasive and present throughout all of our lives. And
I write about professional sports and specifically the NBA because
the NBA is the most popular American sport in China,
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and China is the NBA's largest overseas market. And if
you're called back in twenty nineteen before China finally cracked
down once and for all of Hong Kong and violated
its promises to Hong Kongers have freedom and autonomy for
fifty years after Great Britain handed Hong Kong over. In
nineteen ninety seven, the general manager at the Houston Rockets
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posted on social media nothing more than just an image
saying that we should stand with Hong Kong. And China
came down like a ton of bricks on the NBA
and on the Rockets in particular. They pulled NBA games
off of their streaming services and state television. They suspended
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streaming for the Rockets in particular, they stopped selling Rockets
merchandise in their stores, They suspended cooperation with the Rockets,
and where was the NBA as an institution nowhere to
be found. The team didn't support him, the league didn't
support him. Social justice warriors Lebron James and Stephen Kerr,
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who are bound for the Hall of Fame also didn't
support him. In fact, they condemned him so that he's
misinformed or that he needed to be educated on the situation.
Maybe I think what Lebron James mett Is that he
needed to be re educated along the lines of what
China would do. ESPN, who is not only the broadcast
partner of the NBA, but also again a corporate ability
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of Disney that has massive operations in China, didn't even
cover the situation. But China still wasn't vacated. They demanded
that Maury be fired. Adam Silver said not, but strangely enough,
within a year he was out of a job and
the Rockets were back on TV in China. And that's
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not the only example. The Brooklyn Nets CEO, who came
to his defense, one of the few figures in the
world of professional basketball who came to his defense quote unquote,
resigned after just two months on the job. And guess
who owns the Brooklyn Nets Josie who is one of
the founders of the Chinese real retail giant Ali Baba
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and is a frequent apologist for the Chinese Communist Party.
Of course, that's not the only case too involving the NBA.
Remember you know our friend enus cancer Freedom. Yeah, had
long time been a voice on behalf of ordinary Turkish
people who were suffering under their own repressive government. Began
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to take up because of the weaker people, a religious
and ethnic minority in northwest China that both the Trump
and the Biden administration said were suffering from a genocide.
Two million, maybe three million had gone into re education
camps and indoctrination and simply wore shoes that criticized Yizhen
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pain or called out the plight of the Wigers, or
he stood up for Tibet, something that liberals in Hollywood
have long done. And what happened. He was cut not
too soon after from the NBA. And he's told me,
and I believe him, that he feels that he was
blacklisted by the NBA. This is just an example again
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of the pervasive influence that China has in our country
and in our society, and it goes far beyond economic titles. Well,
every cultural institution in America faces this. You know, you've
probably heard of sister city programs that you know, American
city's partner with foreign cities. And it's fine if your
foreign city is you know, I don't know, in Spain
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or South Korea or something, but in China comes with strings,
and the strings are they want to turn you into
a de facto lobbyist on behalf of communist China, not
just related to your particular city, like, oh, you know,
call your congressman, so who can get a visa to
come travel to your sister city in China. No, No,
tell your congressman that he should stop speaking out about
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Hong Kong.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
We're speaking to Senator Tom Cotton. He's got a new book.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
He's got a new book out today, Seven things you
can't say about China. Can go get your copy? A
Center of conton You've you've been getting some headline on
the Hill and some other places. Charlie Kirk tweeted out
something about how or I guess we call posting at
allen X. You've got some concerns. This is the first
that I've heard you've had concerns about any of the
Trump nominees. But it has to do with what we're
(10:12):
talking about a bit, because it would be the under
Secretary of Defense for policy at the Pentagon. Bridge Colby,
I know you've addressed this a little bit, but I'm
just wondering if you could for all of us address
is this just you want to hear more from Bridge
about where he stands now on some issues and what
can you tell us about this reporting that you have
some real reservations about a very senior level Trump Pentagon appointee.
(10:36):
Full disclosure, I've known Bridge for twenty years, so I
might be able to help fill in some gaps of
my own here, But.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Go ahead, sure, well, with any nominee, but especially nominees
in critical national security roles at Defense or State or
the Intelligence Committee, we always want to probe their views
and see if those are aligned with the president the
president's priorities. Of course, one of the presidents highest priorities
in one of minees at the very first day I
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got into the Senate is to prevent Iran from acquiring
nuclear weapons. You know, when I came to the Senate,
President Obama was in the final days of negotiating the
nuclear deal with Iran, And in fact, that was the
first time I ever spoke to Donald Trump. He was
a new candidate, and he called me and I wanted
to express his thanks and admiration for the work I
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was doing fighting against that deal and fighting against a
nuclear run. So with all these nominees, if they play
any role and trying to stop Iran from getting a
nuclear weapon, I and other Senators are going to want
to have questions and our meetings with them and our
hearings with them to ensure they're align with the President's priorities.
That's not kind of the ordinary, that's pretty customary. If
you look at the stuff that's gone on over the
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last two or three weeks, guys, you can see, for instance,
that Bobby Kennedy, who had been pro choice his entire life,
when I met with him, and then when you testify
that the committee said that he would support President Trump's
pro life policies, you have not to.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
It's sorry, we're going to come in to break it.
Sounds like you have questions for Bridge. I mean, I
know he's very aligned I think with you on on China,
for example, which is what the book is about. I
think you could say he's a China Hawk for sure.
But on the Iranian issue, you have questions. But if
the if the answers to those questions are satisfactory in
line with President Trump and with with his agenda for
national security in the Middle East and beyond, you don't
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have a problem with the credentials or the background or
anything like that.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I look forward to speaking to him about you know,
what he's written about Iran in the past where he
thinks now how he sees that fitting in with President
Trump's declared priority of stopping Iran from getting nuclear weapons again.
It's a common part of the process that we did
with Bobby Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
How do you how do you? How do you?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I mean you served by the way, how do you
think Secretary of Headsets? Just real quick, I wanted to
know what do you think about Secretary Hegsets? So far,
Clay and I have been having fun talking about just
some of the visuals.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's a refreshing change
to have a secretary who's a little bit close to
our age and therefore closer to the soldier's age, who
was himself a veteran. We've had very fine secretaries of
Defense who are in their sixties or seventies. But it
obviously offers a different perspective. And I think he's already
taken some steps to change some policies that were implemented
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in the Biden era that were foolish, that diminished readiness,
that focused our troops on trivialities or distractions as opposed
to being ready to fight and win our nation's wars,
and therefore preventing them from happening in the first place.
Now he's got longer term challenges that are going to
take years for all of us to tackle, like rebuilding
our industrial capacity, making sure that we have the kind
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of next generation fighters that can counteract China, that our
shipbuildings in a place where we encounter at China as well.
But on the things that he can do on the
first days and the job, I think he's off to
a good start, for instance, getting the Army and the
Marine Corps and the Air Force and the Navy focused
back on fighting our nation's wars, not so engineering or
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not making sure they're using the right pronouns or using
addressing climate change in the way they train and so forth.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
We're trying, as you know, to get a cease fire
and a resolution in Ukraine with Russia, and we just
had Marco Rubio talking with the Russians face to face
for the first time in years in Saudi Arabia. I'm
curious what you think about those conversations, And in particular,
there has been a discussion that one of the demands
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might be an election in Ukraine, which Zelenski has not
allowed since the invasion happened.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Should there be.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
A Ukrainian election, should it be connected to the idea
of a ceasefire in peace?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
How would you assess where we are right now?
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Yeah, I mean, guys, I think Joe Biden left us
all amiss. That's the bottom line. Joe Biden's weakness tempted
Putin to invade in the first place. Biden pussy footed
around for three years, and I think in retrospect it's
clear that his plan was to lose just wait till
after the election. And that's what the President and all
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of us have to deal with right now. And I
think what he wants to what the President's trying to
achieve is what Jade Vance said in Europe last week,
Ukraine's sovereign independence and preventing a third invasion of Ukraine
in the future. So to do that, we need to
have a lasting truce that will allow Ukraine to get
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back on its feet, as you say, to have elections again,
to have long term prosperity. I think that's an important
point as well. You know, Lindsay Graham has floated the
idea of having a long term minerals deal with Ukraine
that would give them, you know, one pillar of long
term economic growth, also giving us what we need, which
is more independence from China to acquire the kind of
rare earth minerals that are necessary in a modern electronic economy. Now,
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is this going to be something that everyone is satisfied with?
Is this what one might have hoped for, you know,
a year or two, three years ago. Probably not, But
it's what Joe Biden has left us with, and we've
got to do the very best we can to try
to get that durable truth that protects Ukraine's sovereign independence
and doesn't lead to a third invasion of Ukraine as
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we've had the first and second invasion under the last
two Democratic presidents.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
The book is Seven Things You Can't Say About China.
Go check it out. Senator Tom Cotton. We appreciate the time.
Look forward to talking to you again sometime soon. Enjoy
the book tour.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Again.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
The book Seven Things You Can't Say about China. That
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Speaker 2 (16:33):
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the uh some of the pilots, some of the mechanical
aerospace UH engineers out there, aeronautics engineers, I think is
actually what.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I'm looking for.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Uh, when it comes to what we've seen with this
plane crash, this, it's it's rare you see video of
a plane crash. This just happened up in It was
a a delta flight from Minneapolis to Toronto and on
landing in uh in Toronto, it looked, it looked really bad.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Everyone walked away.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Nobody uh, nobody was was killed in this flight. In
this crash landing, there's there's multiple angles of video of it.
You see it looks like a very hard landing. And
then the plane there's there's kind of a flame, which
is very scary, right because that's you know, that could
be game over for everybody on that plane. And then
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the wings snap off and it goes into a role,
like the fuselage goes into a role. There's video of
people strapped into their seats. You've seen all this, right, Clay,
It's oh yeah, video people strapped into their seats upside down,
and then the airline attendants kind of waving them through
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the you know, the emergency exit like they actually used it,
and people have video that they're taking as they're exiting
this plane and they're completely obviously in shock and just
can't believe what has happened to them. Is very It
seemed like a very standard flight. I don't think there
was was there trying to see what the details are.
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There was anything strong winds, drifting snow, but yeah, they
should be able.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
To land in I mean, they're landing in Toronto in February.
I think there was drifting snow and winds. That's probably
not a unique atmospheric or weather related condition, but.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
This is you know, you had seventy six people on board.
It seems very It seems like this very easily could
have been a horrific craw You could have had a
mass fatality incident, again after we just had recently that
crash at at Reagan, which was of course the Blackhawk
helicopter colliding with a passenger jet and killing everybody involved.
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One thing I thought was interesting, claud I was I
was reading the UH and I'm still trying to get
more details on this, Like the BBC, I'll just cite
them reported experts saying that the wings are meant to
in a crash situation like this, they're meant to like
detach basically, I.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Had to read that many times. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
This is where I'm curious if anyone can shed some
light on this. You know here, this is this was
I was. I was reading the updates on this this morning.
The sheer survivability of this is really amazing, some expert
tells the BBC, pointing out the airplane's fuselage body, he
had stayed intact. Okay, yeah, you want the fuselage and
those seats to be just you know, you want that
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to be like the you know, the lifeboat for the Titanic,
Like you want those things to be survivable under any circumstance.
He highlighted the importance of the plane's high impact seats,
designed to absorb a great deal of punishment.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Here you go.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Commentators have also held the craft safety features. Former FAA
inspector David Seussi said the plane had broken apart as
meant to, with the detachment of the wings stopping.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
The fuselage from ripping apart.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
So this is a former FAA inspector, I had no
did you know, I had no idea that in a
crash situation. I guess it makes sense, right, because in
a weird way, if the plane like tilts over and
it starts to roll and it maybe rolls on, the
wings are also where all the fuel is. So yeah,
there's that.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I watched this and I know that in the wake
of the crash at National Airport, people are more apprehensive
because we had gone like fifteen years without a major
commercial jet airliner crash. But it is amazing we got
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a couple of clips here. How immediately this plane landed
in Toronto took off in Minneapolis, they immediately said this.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Is Trump's fault.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
I mean, it is kind of extraordinary that a plane
would flip over in Canada and the first thing many
people in the media would think is this is Trump's fault.
This was actually cut seventeen NBC. I think I just
sent in a CNN cut, but cut seventeen from NBC.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
This is guy named.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Tom Costello, I believe, says Trump, Elon Musk and Doge
are to blame for why this airplane flipped.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Listen, this is gonna yet again raised a concern about
air traffic controls. Now, this is a Canadian air traffic
control tower and this is under Canadian authority.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Once across the border.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
And yet, as you know, there has been this talk
about maybe staff cuts at the FAA as a part
of President Trump's effort to trim down the federal workforce.
And yet, as you also know, the FAA has been
complaining for years that they are understaffed and critical job positions,
especially air traffic control. I was having a conversation with
somebody today about whether air traffic control in America is
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being affected by the staff cuts so far, not to
their knowledge, and yet other positions related to maintaining critical
equipment appear to have been cut.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Okay, buck, So we have an analyst who comes on
and says that there is no actual evidence of American
involvement in this crash at all, but yet it raises
questions about Trump and his decisions that he has made.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Airplane flight.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, this is another way of saying, there's no evidence
to support blaming Trump, but I'm going to try to
blame Trump anyway. Everybody, right, That's what this is. There's
no actual logical straight line here of it's Trump's fault,
but the audience has been so deeply trained to look for, Oh, Trump.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Is actually doing a bad job.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Trump is a bad man that people I think in
the media just reflexively now try to you know, try
to find some way this is. They do this also
with yeah, gun control stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
And they used to always blame the NRA.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yes, the ny N rays had a lot of problems recently,
you don't even hear about the NRA anymore, like financial issues.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Uh so it's just a yes.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Well, I was just going to say the landing also,
it seems to me it would be almost impossible. I
want to know what happened, because in a plane should
not end up on its you know, on its roof.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
As it looks like they're just based on the commentary.
But if we have any pilots you know, who want
to weigh in on this, please call or or email
us and scifically if you are an FAA inspector or
aeronautical engineer. The wings snapping off, if the plane crashes
on its belly and starts to go side to side,
that is a fact I've never heard.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I'm just amazed.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
But if that's a real thing, it sounds like it
is the FAA guys telling the BBC that I just
want confirmation of that, that the fuselage is so survivable.
I mean, it makes it seem like if the crash itself,
you know, if you're not killed on impact and you
don't die in a fireball the fuselage, you have a
pretty good shot of keeping people alive at least if
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you can get like a you know, a hard hard
landing on the belly of the plane, that it'll all
stay intact. Was pretty amazing when you think about it.
So we definitely want to take some some calls and
and some some insight on that.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
But Clay, the blame Trump thing, it's.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Crazy, Uh, But they all they also, I think, are
very desperate right now to find some way to slow
down the momentum that Trump has on these things. And
I think that you're going to just see more and
more of this where they will lean into humiliation as
long as it means they get to pretend like Trump's
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doing a bad job for a couple of hours or something.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
That's where we are.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I do think there is a legitimate question to be had.
We had this conversation a couple of years ago, maybe
last year as well. It does seem like there are
more close calls than most of us are aware of
when it comes to air safety, and so I do wonder,
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in the conjunction of what happened in DC with this
jet now flipping over, is there something to be said
big picture about safety when it comes to airlines? In fact,
you asked for calls. I would be curious for pilots,
for people who have been flying airplanes for decades. Do
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you see and you don't have to tell us which
air line you're with or anything else, do you see
safety protocols that make you more apprehensive today than you
maybe were a decade ago or twenty years ago. Or
could this be like the drones in New Jersey, Buck,
where people just everybody starts looking and then you're not
(28:18):
necessarily showing something representative, but you're just looking for it
more closely.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
And more people with drones started putting them in the
air because they don't have her on with the fact
that there's this whole drone thing going on, which made
sense to me in the beginning, the whole like Iranian offshore,
that was all that was clearly nonsense. I told you guys,
it's boring. Hey, whatever happened to those JFK files. Everybody, buck,
it's gonna be amazing, It's gonna blow your mind. No,
it's not I'm always right on this stuff. We'll see
when they actually come out. By the way, here's Dana
(28:45):
Bash before I forget here. She was on CNN, also
blaming Trump. I just sent this in again CNN, Dana Bash. Hey,
it's Trump's fault. The plane flipped over in Canada.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
This is happening against the backdrop of massive cuts across
the federal govern including at the FAA. Hundreds of FAA
employees have been laid off as part of Elon Musk
going through all the federal agencies. I just want to
read what Chuck Schumer, the top Democrat in the Senate, said,
(29:15):
I'm thankful that everyone in the flight incident in Toronto
that took off from Minneapolis is safe, but we keep
seeing these incidents day after day. Meanwhile, Trump's doing massive
layoffs at the FAA, including safety specialists, and making our
skies less and less safe.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Again, plane flips in Canada, it's Trump's fault. So it's
just important to understand what they are saying. And again,
I want to take your calls. Let's leave aside who
the president of the United States is, because I actually
think the president of the United States, particularly someone who's
been in office for one month doesn't have that much
(29:53):
to do with individual crashes of airplanes general proposition, But.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I was just gonna say this, like with the eggs
thing Clay, where they're like, why hasn't you brought down
the price of vents?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yes in one month for five days? Yeah, yeah, in
one month.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
But I am curious for pilots out there, and this
is building on the call for calls that Buck made.
Do you think that it is more dangerous right now
than it was ten years ago or twenty years ago,
or as a general rule, are you more optimistic about
aviation safety based on what you are seeing in your
(30:31):
own careers? I would be genuinely curious eight hundred and
two two two eight a two For those out there
that are pilots that have been flying for decades, how
you would analyze the safety of our air space and
our flights based on what you were seeing?
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I would just be curious. Got our number? Light us up? Friends?
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Speaker 2 (32:17):
We got a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Rolling in giving us feedback on what happened in Canada
VIP email from Dan there were forty mile per hour
crosswinds over the max. That aircraft is the designed to
land or take off in like the crush zone on cars.
Wings and tails are designed to break away to keep
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the fuselage intact. That is an email from Dan. Gary
is a retired airline Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Real quick, that's pretty cool. Is that's amazing that they
actually can do that? I learned something very new today.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Go ahead, Sorry, Gary is a retired airline captain. What
do you see based on what happened with the landing
in Canada? Gary, Gary, retired captain. We've lost We've lost
radio contact with Gary. See over the Bermuda Triangle.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
What happened? We're to Gary?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Gary has Gary has vanished? We have comms connected with Gary.
We do have, by the way, lots of pilots weighing in.
We will take some of your calls in the third hour.
Can I just of of the I don't even know
what you call these. They're not conspiracy theories, but they're
you know.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Like abominable Snowman, Bermuda Triangle, lockness monster. What do we
call these things? Which one do you find the least implausible?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
The most plausible would be another way of saying thank you, Yes,
the most plausible, that's a better way to say.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I guess I think probable. Well, first of all, I
think the Bermuda.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Triangle is just awful weather, and it makes sense to
me that in awful weather there would be a predominance
of ships getting lost. So I think from you to
triangle doesn't feel that crazy to me. Like, I don't
think there's some you know, other dimension that the ships
are sailing into. Of the animals that are out there.
(34:18):
Do I believe that there is a large mammal that
we have not yet found on the planet Earth.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
No, But if I were.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Going to believe in one, it would be the I
think it would be like the the the.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
The bigfoot Yetti.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Also known as Abominable Snowman. Right, it's all the same
as snowman. Is that that's like, yeah, that's in the like. Also,
I'm not trying to throw off your yetti research here.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
But oh, I used to watch the show Finding Bigfoot.
I would I would watch that show. I loved it,
even though I knew that if they actually found Bigfoot,
I probably wasn't going to find out on A and E,
you know, on a reality television show.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Well that was also I feel like if the reveal
was ever going to be that they had found Bigfoot,
I doubt they'd be able to keep that under wraps,
you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't think they'd
be able to keep you through the commercial break and
be like, hey, guess what, We've actually found Bigfoot. I'm
in South Florida, so I feel like more regionally, el
Choopacabra is something you got to keep in mind here,
do you know? Do you know I thought you were
(35:26):
going to give me the Megalodon, which is the massive
the massive shark that they made movies about the meg
My boys were obsessed with the Megalodon, which was like
a prehistoric shark.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
What say you bought it really existed? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
No, The chuop Ofcabra is like a little I don't
know how you'd even It's like a little lizard like
monster that sucks the blood out of chickens. I don't know,
it's just fun to say though. Elchoopacabra.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
By the way, Gary is back. We're going to take
some pilot calls. When we let's take some pilot calls.
I like them, and and we will dive into what
pilots think about the crash up there.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Where are you on the theory of Atlanti's clay? This
is what all these podcasters are doing now. They're talking
nonsense about you know able them, all of those.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
So here's my thing that I'm going to blow people's
minds with. I think that there is some advanced civilization
that was involved in the construction of the Pyramids. I
don't buy that the Egyptians completely came up with building
the pyramids all by themselves. I think there is something
(36:33):
that is otherworldly or of a different than expected historical
record when it comes to the Pyramids.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
That's my conspiracy there. Maybe locking us monster next we'll
get there.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Second hour. Clay in Buck kicks off now.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
I think we will be joined shortly, hopefully by Senator
Tom Cotton, who's got a book out.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
We're talking about national security.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Trump's efforts to get the Russia Ukraine war to come
to a ceasefire, Iran, China.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
A lot of stuff, a lot of things to dive into.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
And if he's jammed up and can't join us today,
I'm sure it'll be like Rubio where we get him
the next day. So in the meantime, I just wanted
to take a moment here, Clay. I'm sure you saw it.
These these videos of the Tronto of the plane crash,
the Delta Crowley. Now it's one of these crashes where
(00:45):
you could say everybody walked out of this plane. There's
some injuries, eighteen injuries, but nobody. We have the Senator
right now. Oh okay, Well, I'll come back and talk.
I want to get into the analysis of the Delta
plane crash. I've been texting my pilot, friends and family
all morning about it.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
We'll get to that.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Center of Cotton appreciate you being with us, Sir, I
know you've got a new book out, Seven Things you
Can't Say about China. Why don't we start with that?
Actually before we got a lot of things to run
through with you today. But what are some things you
can't say about? Why can't we just say whatever we
want about China? This is in Germany. They're not knocking
down doors for memes yet.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Thanks guys for having me on to talk about Seven
Things you Can't Say about China. I focused in the
book's title on the censorship aspect of it because it
highlights the pervasive influence and leverage that China has throughout America.
You know, you might recall five years ago, I think
(01:45):
five years ago this week in the Winner of twenty twenty,
that I first said the Wuhan coronavirus probably came from
that super lab in Wuhan, not from the food market.
I expected Chinese Communist officials to me for that and
say that it was false. But if you recall, it
(02:05):
was also piled on by lots of the American elites
Washington Post, CNN, The New York Times and others, in
part because so many American elites are met ready to
man the ramparts on behalf of communists China. So the
seven things you can't say, and I go through each
one of these chapter by chapter, is that China is
(02:27):
an evil empire. China's preparing for war, China is waging
in economic World war. China has infiltrated our society, China
has infiltrated our government. China is coming for our kids,
and China could win. It's that economic World War that
has really got China to the point of power and influence.
Of course, one it underwrites the massive military build up,
(02:52):
the largest in history, that allows China prepare for war,
but it also gives them vast influence in American and business,
education and cultural institutions, and our governments as well. A
simple and maybe well known example is Hollywood. When was
the last time you saw a Chinese villain in a
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Hollywood movie. It's been a very long time, because when
Brad Pitt made Seven Years in Tibet in nineteen ninety seven,
China came down on him in the studio like a
ton of bricks, and studio executives knew from that point forward,
you can't say anything bad about China, otherwise they'll cut
off access to the lucrative and massive Chinese movie market.
(03:35):
But guys, did you know, because I think a lot
of Americans don't know that every network except for Fox
News is owned by or affiliated with one of those
Hollywood studios ABC and Disney, CBS and Paramount NBC and
MSNBC by Comcast Universal, CNN by Warner Brothers. Is a
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surprise those networks host to presidential debate and don't ask
single questions about China. That Fox News is consistently the
network that is strongest on China, the most clear eyed
about his breathday post. I don't think it is. And
that's replicated across so many segments of our society, whether
it's corporate America, Wall Street, professional sports, higher education, all
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designed to protect China as it goes forward with its
campaign to replace America as the world's dominant military and
economic superpower.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I love everything you just laid out, and it is fascinating.
I never really thought about the overlap between the news
business and the Hollywood studios where I came from. Senator Cotton,
you may well remember World of Sports. I've never seen
anything like the NBA's bending of the need to China.
They would rip American institutions to the high heavens. It's
(04:51):
actually how they've destroyed, in my opinion, much of their brand.
People love basketball. They don't like being lectured by multimillionaire
athletes about how awful America is while they simultaneously bend
the need to China. I saw recent reports that the
NBA may be about to go back to China. What
does that impact? And I don't know how much you
(05:13):
talk about it in the book, but I think it's
incredibly impactful what they have allowed the NBA to do,
which is rip America to shreds while saying nothing at
all critical of China because they're afraid of what China
will do to them.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah, I write about it some link to Again, I
think it's important that Americans know that. You know, it's
not just you know, Chinese spies in Washington who are
trying to steal intelligence or military secrets. The threat, again,
is pervasive and present throughout all of our lives. And
I write about professional sports and specifically the NBA because
the NBA is the most popular American sport in China,
(05:52):
and China is the NBA's largest overseas market. And if
you're called back in twenty nineteen before China finally cracked
down once and for all of Hong Kong and violated
its promises to Hong Kongers have freedom and autonomy for
fifty years after Great Britain handed Hong Kong over. In
nineteen ninety seven, the general manager at the Houston Rockets
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posted on social media nothing more than just an image
saying that we should stand with Hong Kong. And China
came down like a ton of bricks on the NBA
and on the Rockets in particular. They pulled NBA games
off of their streaming services and state television. They suspended
(06:35):
streaming for the Rockets in particular, they stopped selling Rockets
merchandise in their stores, They suspended cooperation with the Rockets,
and where was the NBA as an institution nowhere to
be found. The team didn't support him, the league didn't
support him. Social justice warriors Lebron James and Stephen Kerr,
(07:00):
who are bound for the Hall of Fame also didn't
support him. In fact, they condemned him so that he's
misinformed or that he needed to be educated on the situation.
Maybe I think what Lebron James mett Is that he
needed to be re educated along the lines of what
China would do. ESPN, who is not only the broadcast
partner of the NBA, but also again a corporate ability
(07:21):
of Disney that has massive operations in China, didn't even
cover the situation. But China still wasn't vacated. They demanded
that Maury be fired. Adam Silver said not, but strangely enough,
within a year he was out of a job and
the Rockets were back on TV in China. And that's
(07:41):
not the only example. The Brooklyn Nets CEO, who came
to his defense, one of the few figures in the
world of professional basketball who came to his defense quote unquote,
resigned after just two months on the job. And guess
who owns the Brooklyn Nets Josie who is one of
the founders of the Chinese real retail giant Ali Baba
(08:04):
and is a frequent apologist for the Chinese Communist Party.
Of course, that's not the only case too involving the NBA.
Remember you know our friend enus cancer Freedom. Yeah, had
long time been a voice on behalf of ordinary Turkish
people who were suffering under their own repressive government. Began
(08:25):
to take up because of the weaker people, a religious
and ethnic minority in northwest China that both the Trump
and the Biden administration said were suffering from a genocide.
Two million, maybe three million had gone into re education
camps and indoctrination and simply wore shoes that criticized Yizhen
(08:46):
pain or called out the plight of the Wigers, or
he stood up for Tibet, something that liberals in Hollywood
have long done. And what happened. He was cut not
too soon after from the NBA. And he's told me,
and I believe him, that he feels that he was
blacklisted by the NBA. This is just an example again
(09:07):
of the pervasive influence that China has in our country
and in our society, and it goes far beyond economic titles. Well,
every cultural institution in America faces this. You know, you've
probably heard of sister city programs that you know, American
city's partner with foreign cities. And it's fine if your
foreign city is you know, I don't know, in Spain
(09:27):
or South Korea or something, but in China comes with strings,
and the strings are they want to turn you into
a de facto lobbyist on behalf of communist China, not
just related to your particular city, like, oh, you know,
call your congressman, so who can get a visa to
come travel to your sister city in China. No, No,
tell your congressman that he should stop speaking out about
(09:49):
Hong Kong.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
We're speaking to Senator Tom Cotton. He's got a new book.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
He's got a new book out today, Seven things you
can't say about China. Can go get your copy? A
Center of conton You've you've been getting some headline on
the Hill and some other places. Charlie Kirk tweeted out
something about how or I guess we call posting at
allen X. You've got some concerns. This is the first
that I've heard you've had concerns about any of the
Trump nominees. But it has to do with what we're
(10:12):
talking about a bit, because it would be the under
Secretary of Defense for policy at the Pentagon. Bridge Colby,
I know you've addressed this a little bit, but I'm
just wondering if you could for all of us address
is this just you want to hear more from Bridge
about where he stands now on some issues and what
can you tell us about this reporting that you have
some real reservations about a very senior level Trump Pentagon appointee.
(10:36):
Full disclosure, I've known Bridge for twenty years, so I
might be able to help fill in some gaps of
my own here, But.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Go ahead, sure, well, with any nominee, but especially nominees
in critical national security roles at Defense or State or
the Intelligence Committee, we always want to probe their views
and see if those are aligned with the president the
president's priorities. Of course, one of the presidents highest priorities
in one of minees at the very first day I
(11:02):
got into the Senate is to prevent Iran from acquiring
nuclear weapons. You know, when I came to the Senate,
President Obama was in the final days of negotiating the
nuclear deal with Iran, And in fact, that was the
first time I ever spoke to Donald Trump. He was
a new candidate, and he called me and I wanted
to express his thanks and admiration for the work I
(11:23):
was doing fighting against that deal and fighting against a
nuclear run. So with all these nominees, if they play
any role and trying to stop Iran from getting a
nuclear weapon, I and other Senators are going to want
to have questions and our meetings with them and our
hearings with them to ensure they're align with the President's priorities.
That's not kind of the ordinary, that's pretty customary. If
you look at the stuff that's gone on over the
(11:44):
last two or three weeks, guys, you can see, for instance,
that Bobby Kennedy, who had been pro choice his entire life,
when I met with him, and then when you testify
that the committee said that he would support President Trump's
pro life policies, you have not to.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
It's sorry, we're going to come in to break it.
Sounds like you have questions for Bridge. I mean, I
know he's very aligned I think with you on on China,
for example, which is what the book is about. I
think you could say he's a China Hawk for sure.
But on the Iranian issue, you have questions. But if
the if the answers to those questions are satisfactory in
line with President Trump and with with his agenda for
national security in the Middle East and beyond, you don't
(12:23):
have a problem with the credentials or the background or
anything like that.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I look forward to speaking to him about you know,
what he's written about Iran in the past where he
thinks now how he sees that fitting in with President
Trump's declared priority of stopping Iran from getting nuclear weapons again.
It's a common part of the process that we did
with Bobby Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
How do you how do you? How do you?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I mean you served by the way, how do you
think Secretary of Headsets? Just real quick, I wanted to
know what do you think about Secretary Hegsets? So far,
Clay and I have been having fun talking about just
some of the visuals.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's a refreshing change
to have a secretary who's a little bit close to
our age and therefore closer to the soldier's age, who
was himself a veteran. We've had very fine secretaries of
Defense who are in their sixties or seventies. But it
obviously offers a different perspective. And I think he's already
taken some steps to change some policies that were implemented
(13:18):
in the Biden era that were foolish, that diminished readiness,
that focused our troops on trivialities or distractions as opposed
to being ready to fight and win our nation's wars,
and therefore preventing them from happening in the first place.
Now he's got longer term challenges that are going to
take years for all of us to tackle, like rebuilding
our industrial capacity, making sure that we have the kind
(13:39):
of next generation fighters that can counteract China, that our
shipbuildings in a place where we encounter at China as well.
But on the things that he can do on the
first days and the job, I think he's off to
a good start, for instance, getting the Army and the
Marine Corps and the Air Force and the Navy focused
back on fighting our nation's wars, not so engineering or
(14:01):
not making sure they're using the right pronouns or using
addressing climate change in the way they train and so forth.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
We're trying, as you know, to get a cease fire
and a resolution in Ukraine with Russia, and we just
had Marco Rubio talking with the Russians face to face
for the first time in years in Saudi Arabia. I'm
curious what you think about those conversations, And in particular,
there has been a discussion that one of the demands
(14:29):
might be an election in Ukraine, which Zelenski has not
allowed since the invasion happened.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Should there be.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
A Ukrainian election, should it be connected to the idea
of a ceasefire in peace?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
How would you assess where we are right now?
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Yeah, I mean, guys, I think Joe Biden left us
all amiss. That's the bottom line. Joe Biden's weakness tempted
Putin to invade in the first place. Biden pussy footed
around for three years, and I think in retrospect it's
clear that his plan was to lose just wait till
after the election. And that's what the President and all
(15:05):
of us have to deal with right now. And I
think what he wants to what the President's trying to
achieve is what Jade Vance said in Europe last week,
Ukraine's sovereign independence and preventing a third invasion of Ukraine
in the future. So to do that, we need to
have a lasting truce that will allow Ukraine to get
(15:25):
back on its feet, as you say, to have elections again,
to have long term prosperity. I think that's an important
point as well. You know, Lindsay Graham has floated the
idea of having a long term minerals deal with Ukraine
that would give them, you know, one pillar of long
term economic growth, also giving us what we need, which
is more independence from China to acquire the kind of
rare earth minerals that are necessary in a modern electronic economy. Now,
(15:51):
is this going to be something that everyone is satisfied with?
Is this what one might have hoped for, you know,
a year or two, three years ago. Probably not, But
it's what Joe Biden has left us with, and we've
got to do the very best we can to try
to get that durable truth that protects Ukraine's sovereign independence
and doesn't lead to a third invasion of Ukraine as
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we've had the first and second invasion under the last
two Democratic presidents.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
The book is Seven Things You Can't Say About China.
Go check it out. Senator Tom Cotton. We appreciate the time.
Look forward to talking to you again sometime soon. Enjoy
the book tour.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Again.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
The book Seven Things You Can't Say about China. That
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Speaker 2 (19:12):
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Uh, when it comes to what we've seen with this
plane crash, this, it's it's rare you see video of
a plane crash. This just happened up in It was
a a delta flight from Minneapolis to Toronto and on
landing in uh in Toronto, it looked, it looked really bad.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Everyone walked away.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Nobody uh, nobody was was killed in this flight. In
this crash landing, there's there's multiple angles of video of it.
You see it looks like a very hard landing. And
then the plane there's there's kind of a flame, which
is very scary, right because that's you know, that could
be game over for everybody on that plane. And then
(19:58):
the wings snap off and it goes into a role,
like the fuselage goes into a role. There's video of
people strapped into their seats. You've seen all this, right, Clay,
It's oh yeah, video people strapped into their seats upside down,
and then the airline attendants kind of waving them through
(20:20):
the you know, the emergency exit like they actually used it,
and people have video that they're taking as they're exiting
this plane and they're completely obviously in shock and just
can't believe what has happened to them. Is very It
seemed like a very standard flight. I don't think there
was was there trying to see what the details are.
(20:41):
There was anything strong winds, drifting snow, but yeah, they
should be able.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
To land in I mean, they're landing in Toronto in February.
I think there was drifting snow and winds. That's probably
not a unique atmospheric or weather related condition, but.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
This is you know, you had seventy six people on board.
It seems very It seems like this very easily could
have been a horrific craw You could have had a
mass fatality incident, again after we just had recently that
crash at at Reagan, which was of course the Blackhawk
helicopter colliding with a passenger jet and killing everybody involved.
(21:20):
One thing I thought was interesting, claud I was I
was reading the UH and I'm still trying to get
more details on this, Like the BBC, I'll just cite
them reported experts saying that the wings are meant to
in a crash situation like this, they're meant to like
detach basically, I.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Had to read that many times. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
This is where I'm curious if anyone can shed some
light on this. You know here, this is this was
I was. I was reading the updates on this this morning.
The sheer survivability of this is really amazing, some expert
tells the BBC, pointing out the airplane's fuselage body, he
had stayed intact. Okay, yeah, you want the fuselage and
those seats to be just you know, you want that
(22:05):
to be like the you know, the lifeboat for the Titanic,
Like you want those things to be survivable under any circumstance.
He highlighted the importance of the plane's high impact seats,
designed to absorb a great deal of punishment.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Here you go.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Commentators have also held the craft safety features. Former FAA
inspector David Seussi said the plane had broken apart as
meant to, with the detachment of the wings stopping.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
The fuselage from ripping apart.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
So this is a former FAA inspector, I had no
did you know, I had no idea that in a
crash situation. I guess it makes sense, right, because in
a weird way, if the plane like tilts over and
it starts to roll and it maybe rolls on, the
wings are also where all the fuel is. So yeah,
there's that.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I watched this and I know that in the wake
of the crash at National Airport, people are more apprehensive
because we had gone like fifteen years without a major
commercial jet airliner crash. But it is amazing we got
(23:15):
a couple of clips here. How immediately this plane landed
in Toronto took off in Minneapolis, they immediately said this.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Is Trump's fault.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
I mean, it is kind of extraordinary that a plane
would flip over in Canada and the first thing many
people in the media would think is this is Trump's fault.
This was actually cut seventeen NBC. I think I just
sent in a CNN cut, but cut seventeen from NBC.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
This is guy named.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Tom Costello, I believe, says Trump, Elon Musk and Doge
are to blame for why this airplane flipped.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Listen, this is gonna yet again raised a concern about
air traffic controls. Now, this is a Canadian air traffic
control tower and this is under Canadian authority.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Once across the border.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
And yet, as you know, there has been this talk
about maybe staff cuts at the FAA as a part
of President Trump's effort to trim down the federal workforce.
And yet, as you also know, the FAA has been
complaining for years that they are understaffed and critical job positions,
especially air traffic control. I was having a conversation with
somebody today about whether air traffic control in America is
(24:30):
being affected by the staff cuts so far, not to
their knowledge, and yet other positions related to maintaining critical
equipment appear to have been cut.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Okay, buck, So we have an analyst who comes on
and says that there is no actual evidence of American
involvement in this crash at all, but yet it raises
questions about Trump and his decisions that he has made.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Airplane flight.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, this is another way of saying, there's no evidence
to support blaming Trump, but I'm going to try to
blame Trump anyway. Everybody, right, That's what this is. There's
no actual logical straight line here of it's Trump's fault,
but the audience has been so deeply trained to look for, Oh, Trump.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Is actually doing a bad job.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Trump is a bad man that people I think in
the media just reflexively now try to you know, try
to find some way this is. They do this also
with yeah, gun control stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
And they used to always blame the NRA.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yes, the ny N rays had a lot of problems recently,
you don't even hear about the NRA anymore, like financial issues.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Uh so it's just a yes.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Well, I was just going to say the landing also,
it seems to me it would be almost impossible. I
want to know what happened, because in a plane should
not end up on its you know, on its roof.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
As it looks like they're just based on the commentary.
But if we have any pilots you know, who want
to weigh in on this, please call or or email
us and scifically if you are an FAA inspector or
aeronautical engineer. The wings snapping off, if the plane crashes
on its belly and starts to go side to side,
that is a fact I've never heard.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I'm just amazed.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
But if that's a real thing, it sounds like it
is the FAA guys telling the BBC that I just
want confirmation of that, that the fuselage is so survivable.
I mean, it makes it seem like if the crash itself,
you know, if you're not killed on impact and you
don't die in a fireball the fuselage, you have a
pretty good shot of keeping people alive at least if
(26:34):
you can get like a you know, a hard hard
landing on the belly of the plane, that it'll all
stay intact. Was pretty amazing when you think about it.
So we definitely want to take some some calls and
and some some insight on that.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
But Clay, the blame Trump thing, it's.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Crazy, Uh, But they all they also, I think, are
very desperate right now to find some way to slow
down the momentum that Trump has on these things. And
I think that you're going to just see more and
more of this where they will lean into humiliation as
long as it means they get to pretend like Trump's
(27:11):
doing a bad job for a couple of hours or something.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
That's where we are.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I do think there is a legitimate question to be had.
We had this conversation a couple of years ago, maybe
last year as well. It does seem like there are
more close calls than most of us are aware of
when it comes to air safety, and so I do wonder,
(27:36):
in the conjunction of what happened in DC with this
jet now flipping over, is there something to be said
big picture about safety when it comes to airlines? In fact,
you asked for calls. I would be curious for pilots,
for people who have been flying airplanes for decades. Do
(27:57):
you see and you don't have to tell us which
air line you're with or anything else, do you see
safety protocols that make you more apprehensive today than you
maybe were a decade ago or twenty years ago. Or
could this be like the drones in New Jersey, Buck,
where people just everybody starts looking and then you're not
(28:18):
necessarily showing something representative, but you're just looking for it
more closely.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
And more people with drones started putting them in the
air because they don't have her on with the fact
that there's this whole drone thing going on, which made
sense to me in the beginning, the whole like Iranian offshore,
that was all that was clearly nonsense. I told you guys,
it's boring. Hey, whatever happened to those JFK files. Everybody, buck,
it's gonna be amazing, It's gonna blow your mind. No,
it's not I'm always right on this stuff. We'll see
when they actually come out. By the way, here's Dana
(28:45):
Bash before I forget here. She was on CNN, also
blaming Trump. I just sent this in again CNN, Dana Bash. Hey,
it's Trump's fault. The plane flipped over in Canada.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
This is happening against the backdrop of massive cuts across
the federal govern including at the FAA. Hundreds of FAA
employees have been laid off as part of Elon Musk
going through all the federal agencies. I just want to
read what Chuck Schumer, the top Democrat in the Senate, said,
(29:15):
I'm thankful that everyone in the flight incident in Toronto
that took off from Minneapolis is safe, but we keep
seeing these incidents day after day. Meanwhile, Trump's doing massive
layoffs at the FAA, including safety specialists, and making our
skies less and less safe.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Again, plane flips in Canada, it's Trump's fault. So it's
just important to understand what they are saying. And again,
I want to take your calls. Let's leave aside who
the president of the United States is, because I actually
think the president of the United States, particularly someone who's
been in office for one month doesn't have that much
(29:53):
to do with individual crashes of airplanes general proposition, But.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I was just gonna say this, like with the eggs
thing Clay, where they're like, why hasn't you brought down
the price of vents?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yes in one month for five days? Yeah, yeah, in
one month.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
But I am curious for pilots out there, and this
is building on the call for calls that Buck made.
Do you think that it is more dangerous right now
than it was ten years ago or twenty years ago,
or as a general rule, are you more optimistic about
aviation safety based on what you are seeing in your
(30:31):
own careers? I would be genuinely curious eight hundred and
two two two eight a two For those out there
that are pilots that have been flying for decades, how
you would analyze the safety of our air space and
our flights based on what you were seeing?
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I would just be curious. Got our number? Light us up? Friends?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
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Speaker 2 (32:17):
We got a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Rolling in giving us feedback on what happened in Canada
VIP email from Dan there were forty mile per hour
crosswinds over the max. That aircraft is the designed to
land or take off in like the crush zone on cars.
Wings and tails are designed to break away to keep
(32:40):
the fuselage intact. That is an email from Dan. Gary
is a retired airline Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Real quick, that's pretty cool. Is that's amazing that they
actually can do that? I learned something very new today.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Go ahead, Sorry, Gary is a retired airline captain. What
do you see based on what happened with the landing
in Canada? Gary, Gary, retired captain. We've lost We've lost
radio contact with Gary. See over the Bermuda Triangle.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
What happened? We're to Gary?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Gary has Gary has vanished? We have comms connected with Gary.
We do have, by the way, lots of pilots weighing in.
We will take some of your calls in the third hour.
Can I just of of the I don't even know
what you call these. They're not conspiracy theories, but they're
you know.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Like abominable Snowman, Bermuda Triangle, lockness monster. What do we
call these things? Which one do you find the least implausible?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
The most plausible would be another way of saying thank you, Yes,
the most plausible, that's a better way to say.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I guess I think probable. Well, first of all, I
think the Bermuda.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Triangle is just awful weather, and it makes sense to
me that in awful weather there would be a predominance
of ships getting lost. So I think from you to
triangle doesn't feel that crazy to me. Like, I don't
think there's some you know, other dimension that the ships
are sailing into. Of the animals that are out there.
(34:18):
Do I believe that there is a large mammal that
we have not yet found on the planet Earth.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
No, But if I were.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Going to believe in one, it would be the I
think it would be like the the the.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
The bigfoot Yetti.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Also known as Abominable Snowman. Right, it's all the same
as snowman. Is that that's like, yeah, that's in the like. Also,
I'm not trying to throw off your yetti research here.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
But oh, I used to watch the show Finding Bigfoot.
I would I would watch that show. I loved it,
even though I knew that if they actually found Bigfoot,
I probably wasn't going to find out on A and E,
you know, on a reality television show.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Well that was also I feel like if the reveal
was ever going to be that they had found Bigfoot,
I doubt they'd be able to keep that under wraps,
you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't think they'd
be able to keep you through the commercial break and
be like, hey, guess what, We've actually found Bigfoot. I'm
in South Florida, so I feel like more regionally, el
Choopacabra is something you got to keep in mind here,
do you know? Do you know I thought you were
(35:26):
going to give me the Megalodon, which is the massive
the massive shark that they made movies about the meg
My boys were obsessed with the Megalodon, which was like
a prehistoric shark.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
What say you bought it really existed? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
No, The chuop Ofcabra is like a little I don't
know how you'd even It's like a little lizard like
monster that sucks the blood out of chickens. I don't know,
it's just fun to say though. Elchoopacabra.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
By the way, Gary is back. We're going to take
some pilot calls. When we let's take some pilot calls.
I like them, and and we will dive into what
pilots think about the crash up there.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Where are you on the theory of Atlanti's clay? This
is what all these podcasters are doing now. They're talking
nonsense about you know able them, all of those.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
So here's my thing that I'm going to blow people's
minds with. I think that there is some advanced civilization
that was involved in the construction of the Pyramids. I
don't buy that the Egyptians completely came up with building
the pyramids all by themselves. I think there is something
(36:33):
that is otherworldly or of a different than expected historical
record when it comes to the Pyramids.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
That's my conspiracy there. Maybe locking us monster next we'll
get there.
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