September 11, 2024 • 36 mins
VIP emails and calls reacting to the debate. On the eve of 9/11, Kamala Harris called J6 the worst attack on America since the Civil War. Examples of ABC's biased moderators "fact-checking" to help Harris. More callers weigh in on the debate.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. We got
a lot of people weighing in on the VIP emails.
I'm actually going to read some of them because i
think they're particularly interesting.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
In astute, you.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Can go subscribe to the Clay and Buck vip. You
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Thank you guys. Lots of you in the Clay and
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
As we break down reactions to the debate that happened
last night, let me hit you with this, Buck, I
am of the opinion that the most reliable place to
go look for immediate reaction to the debate is the
gambling markets. And some of you out there are gonna say, I, Clay,
I don't know why you care about.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
The gambling markets. Let me tell you.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
There's basically three ways to decide what you think of
an election. One is intuition and We do a lot
of that on this program. Hey, here's what I'm seeing,
here's what I'm feeling, here's what I'm thinking. But all intuition,
that is, your personal experience is colored by whatever surrounds you.
And the data reflects that most people live in communities
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where people tend to agree with them. That is, there
aren't that many people who actually live in swing states
or swing counties or cities within those swing states. So
most people I know where I live, most people in
my neighborhood, they're all voting Trump. Most people in your
neighborhood to a large extent, probably voting Trump too. So
that has a flaw because it's hard to know what
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three hundred and thirty million people are thinking on any
given day.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Two is the polls.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
The challenge with the polls is they're a varying quality
and they've been proven to be wrong a lot. Third
one is gambling odds. I like gambling odds, but because
at a minimum, it requires you to put your money
where your mouth is. If you think the gambling odds
are wrong, take the other side. I love sports gambling
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for that reason. Hey, this is what we expect to
happen in the game. If you agree or disagree, you
can take either side. Trump came in on polymarket as
the favorite in the debates. Buck, he is still the
favorites in the debate as we are talking right now.
And if you're wondering, nearly nine hundred million dollars has
been met, nearly a billion dollars on who is going
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to be the president? Trump right now fifty percent chance,
Kamala Harris forty eight percent chance. That is a very
tiny margin. We came in with Trump having created a
little bit of a lead. I thought he had the
opportunity to put it away. In sports terms, I felt
like Trump had the opportunity in the fourth quarter to
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score a touchdown to go up double digits, and he
turned the ball over.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
With the way that he performed.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
He didn't take advantage of the best opportunities that Kamala
constantly gave him. And let me read you some of
these VIP emails, Buck, because I think they're super interesting. Tyler,
I joined the Clay and Buck vip just to say
this missed opportunity for Trump when Kamala. So I'm just
gonna kind of give you some some different takes, Mike
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for Trump to be so unprepared for this debate, where
he had a golden opportunity to lock up the presidency
is disappointing. Harris set him up with nonsense rally sizes.
He took debate after that exchange, he never returned to
the calm confidence for such a smart man. I'm disappointed
at his lack of presence.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I identified her pick as Walls as the moment she
lost the election. This is Matt Tonight's when Trump lost it.
But they can't both lose now what. I'm so angry
at him for letting her bait him again and again
and again. Alan Trump got hustled. The debate was a
political ad for Kamala. It's obvious. I've not yelled at
my TV this much in my fifty seven years combined.
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I can't wait to see the media take on the debate.
So many missed opportunities. Chris right out of the gate.
Whether they're better off now than four years ago. Harris
went first and blew it. Trump then blew it anyway.
All of these basically agreeing with what we said in
the first hour, which is Trump had an opportunity to
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knock Kamala out, and he failed, and I want to
just hit you with this buck. The point that I'm
the most angry about today is nine to eleven. Credit
to Tunnel to Towers, which does an impeccable, incredible job
twenty three years after continuing to fight for not only
those who lost their lives there, but all of those
out there that are giving their lives and putting their
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lives on the line every single day. Kamala tried to
say on the eve of nine to eleven in Pennsylvania,
one of the states where the plane crashed in Shanksville, PA,
I had to say that January sixth was the worst
attack on this nation since the Civil War Pearl Harbor happened.
But we're on the eve of nine to eleven. How
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in the world was that allowed to stand when Biden's
been saying it for years on the eve of nine
to eleven. To me, that was the essence of not
being prepared.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
And if you really wanted to get to the top
level of how to respond to this play, it would
have been uh Kamal would have been Trump saying, not
only is today nine eleven, but the Biden Harris administration
handed Afghanistan back to the Taliban and increasingly it is
completely ties in with Yes, yeah, the the twenty plus
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year war Biden allows it to collapse into calamity and
and yeah, it was. It was certainly I think a
missed opportunity there. When did you want to get to
some of our calls? Now, let's take some call? We
when go and take some calls. Let's do it? Do
we have I assume, guys, we still have the same
crew up here, the same same list. Let me know,
(06:08):
David in Utah, you're up first. What's up, David?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Hey, guys, So the part that's really frustrating to me.
And I was a sixteen voter. I voted for him
in twenty and I'm going to vote for him again
in twenty four. That's not but I'm I'm like the
guy was that would attend to rally. Right, You're not
going to change my mind because I can see the obvious.
But it's not good enough right now to hold the
ball and not let them move it forward. We got
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to move the ball the other directions. So the people
in the middle are the ones that have got to
be swayed. So the people in the Trump camp, they're
in the Trump camp, they're gonna stay in the Trump camp.
The people into the Malla's camp, they're going to stay there.
You've got this little group in the middle. And what
frustrated me is what everybody in your VIP emails just
said is where he kept taking the bait, kept falling
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into the traps, and to complain about the moderators. That
frustrates me because I'm like, dude, that is like looking
out the window seeing that it's raining and then choosing
to go out and play in the rain in the
mud and complaining and saying, well, you didn't do your
best because you were wetting money. No kidding, move on,
don't do it. If you're not gonna do your best
in them. If you don't think you can play in
the mud and the rain, don't play in the mud
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and the rain. And the other part that really frustrates
me is when he walks out after and says it
was his best debate performance ever. Now, I don't expect
Trump to whatever come out and say, hey, I didn't
do my best or whatever, even though I truly believe
that if he had an out of humility, which I
believe he sees his weakness, which it's not, he would
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draw a lot more women and a lot more people
who are in the middle, because that's the type of
people they are. They want to see someone that can say, hey,
you know what, I didn't do my best on debating,
but you have lived four years under my administration, You've
lived three and a half under hers. What were you
doing in those those different years? Were you better under
her or were you better under me? I wasn't my
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best debate performance, but hey, I can get the job
done for you. And I truly think that even just
that amount of humility would draw those middle people to
our side to say, hey, you know, he's still human.
He doesn't like to lose, but he can acknowledge. Because
even in the best sports athlete, if you can't look
at the situation and say, hey, I dropped the ball
too many times, but I mean you give me on
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that field again, and I'm going to put six on
the board. That right there, I think would move a
move mountains. Because after he about had his head blown off,
everybody sensed just a slight difference about Donald Trump, and
I truly believe it was because there was an ounce
of humility around him, and people saw that and it
was uniting.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I think he felt touched by God when he did
not get assassinated Techno day. Absolutely, Yes, yeah it was.
I do think there was an element of humility there.
Let me play that. Well, let's keep taking calls that
I want to play. We've got the cut of Kamala
trying to say it's the worst day since the Civil War.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
But uh, what you got Ryan and Pennsylvania up? Now?
What's up?
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Ryan?
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Guys?
Speaker 6 (09:02):
How you doing good?
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Great? Good?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Look, we all know Trump to do better, we all
know this.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
Maybe he did that on purpose.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
No, this is a bad theory.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You think he intentionally didn't perform well in front of
tens of millions of people.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Oh, he laying the trap?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Now he wants this a bad argument. Sorry, we got
to cut him off. You don't lay a trap by
getting your ass kicked. I'm sorry, Ryan, I'm Ryan. I
didn't get to weigh in here, and I would I
would have let.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
You you you think Ryan's I I agree with Clay's
veto of the theory, but I would have We would
have let Ryan finish out his point there. But Ryan,
we do love you, We appreciate you calling in. I
think we got to guide you back. I don't think
that Trump is playing possum here in the hopes of
in the second time around. He should. He knows it
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is finish, finish the job time right away, no question
about it. But hey, taking outside the box. We appreciate it,
Jennifer and Texas, what have you got for us?
Speaker 7 (10:09):
Hi, guys. My take is a little bit different. I
think that last night was a big cofou feast for
the socialist liberals, but as far as independence go, I'm
a libertarian as far as that goes. She looked cold, calculating, unsympathetic,
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and then I think for it also, the it just
looked like it was a setup. It looked like they
worked together. Yes, at least Trump looked sincere. He looked
like he was trying to explain himself, even though he
didn't do a good job. So I just think there
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was a difference between oh, we don't. I don't think so.
She looked she didn't answer any questions. She just had punchline,
that's all she had, and so I think it was
for her tofu group. I don't think the independence really really.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, Jennifer. I hope you're right. I hope you're right.
I'm a I'm a you know, I'm open to UH.
I'm open to the data that says that the swing
voters didn't really like Kamala. If this was like a
Lincoln Douglas debuit, what's the what kind of debate does
your son do?
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Clay?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I used toe the Lincoln Douglas debate LD debate they
called it? What is a? Is it policy debate or
something they called what do they call it?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, it's when you talk really fast and try to
make as many points as you can and as rapid
of a fashion as you can. It's not a Douglas
style debate. I think it's the policy debate.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
But yeah, I'm just saying, if we were grading this
like debate judges, which is kind of how we've approached it,
that's different, Right, politics is different than uh than some
academic exercise. One more here before we get to break
mark in Denver. You wanted to win, and my friend
thank you?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (12:02):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Very disappointed in the debate last night. At one point
I turned to my wife and said, boy, I just
don't like how this is going. I'm curious so about
the potential of a second debate and where that could
be held in a more neutral location, perhaps a black university.
I don't really know, but I'm certainly open suggestions. I'd
like to see something more fair at Kurve.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
I love.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I turned to my wife. My wife came out about
an hour into the debate. We were watching in different rooms,
and she was so mad. She was so mad at
how Kamala was just baiting Trump. And I think there
were a lot of you out there that as soon
as you heard her attack the rally, you were like, oh, no,
he's going to talk about the rallies instead of talking
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about the border and the economy and pivoting and all
these things. And I felt like, you know, I kind
of laughed. They said she went back and watched tape
of all the debates. But I think that she did
a better job than Biden did of getting Trump to
follow her down the rabbit hole instead of focused on
all of her failures. It's just like the half the
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time you were talking about things that didn't matter.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Just think about it this way for a moment. Last night,
there was discussion of J six, There was discussion of
crowd size, there was discussion of all prompted by the moderators,
by the way, and Kamala jumped in on this too.
Who was discussion of who won the twenty twenty election.
There was discussion of Kamala's previous sort of heritage identification
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or whatever. None of that matters at all to any
of your lives for the next four years. None of
that has any any effect of any meaningful kind on
our lives at all. And yet somehow they all came
up last night of the debate, isn't isn't that just
so interesting?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I'm still so angry just about the whole way that
this went down. It's not every day that I come
on and I'm angry, but I just I find her
to be uniquely detestable and awful as a choice for
the country, and I want her to get eviscerated. And
I feel like there's so much ammunition out there to
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One of the most outrageous and just grotesque statements of Kamalaris,
of course, is J six on the eve of nine
to eleven, J six, the worst attack on our country
since the Civil War. This is what she said. Play it.
Speaker 10 (15:58):
Donald Trump left us the worst attack on our democracy
since the Civil War. And what we have done is
clean up Donald Trump's mess.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Of nine to eleven. Dude, worse than worse than Pearl Harbor. Yes,
way worse. Thousands of thousand people killed. There was a
cop who had a heart attack a few days later,
and she's saying that that's worse than what happened on
nine to eleven and Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Wow, and I get on the spot if that's said.
New attacks can sometimes be difficult to respond to in
the moment. It's a high stress, high stakes environment. They've
been making this argument for multiple years now, and when
they have arguments like those to me, I understand some
of you out there, and you said this earlier. I
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think it's important people say, oh, she had the questions
in advance. We all had the questions in advance. It's
not like they got asked who the Prime Minister of
Albania is right. It wasn't a quiz bowl. It's hey,
we're gonna ask you. There's forty potential questions they could ask.
Really right, everybody knew what those forty questions were. Prep
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have your best answers ready and know what the other
side's gonna say, and deliver the best.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Case for your side out there. Now there's polling.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I think the reality of this buck and I do
think this is important. I don't think very many people's
mind have been changed at all by anything that happened
in the debate, because I don't think there's that many
truly swing voters. And I think ultimately this race comes
down to was your life better with four years of
Trump or has your life been better with four years
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of Biden? That is the question, and I think most
people are going to come down on my life was
better with Trump. But Trump had a chance to make
that case and really knock her out, and it didn't
happen last night.
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Clay Travis and buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I want
to play a couple of cuts that I thought were
an important pivot point in this debate. Kamala came out,
I thought she was weak. I thought the first thirty
minutes was basically even then. I thought Trump delivered a
pretty good answer on abortion.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
And I want to.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Play two cuts where it felt like to me. They
helped weigh in on the debate in favor of Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
And here is.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Cut two when there is a quote unquote fact check
about no state allowing post birth abortions. This was the
first time that suddenly the moderators stepped in and aggressively
went on Kamala Harris's side.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Cut two.
Speaker 11 (19:37):
I give tremendous credit to those six justices.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
There is no state in this country where it is
legal to kill a baby after it's born.
Speaker 8 (19:45):
Not and Vice President want to get your response to
President Trump.
Speaker 10 (19:48):
Well, as I said, you're gonna hear a bunch of lies.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
That was when Kamala Harris suddenly was like, okay, they
got my back. I can get away with anything. And
then they saved Kamala Harris. I thought Trump was really
good here when he says he has her on the
ropes and he asked Kamala Harris if she supports full
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term abortions, which every Democrat does. Listen to cut four
where suddenly the demoderators come in and pull Trump. You know,
it's like a boxing match. They pull him away from
her and in the round. Listen to cut four. Right
after that Lindsay Davis interjection.
Speaker 11 (20:29):
You should ask will she allow abortion in the eighth month,
ninth month, seventh month?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Okay, would you do that?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Why don't you ask that question?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
That's the question, the question.
Speaker 11 (20:42):
You could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth month,
the ninth month, and probably after birth. Just look at
the governor, former governor of Virginia. The governor of Virginia said,
we put the baby aside and then we determine what
we want to do with a baby.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
We're going to turn down to immigration and order security.
He's right.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Governor Ralph Northam is on video talking about performing abortions.
Like again, one of the challenges you have in debates
is you have to sometimes explain, but they suddenly pivot
right when he's got Kamala Harris, Hey, where do you
actually draw on the line? Which is the question?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Right? Well, also this goes to what what are the
legal protections offered, if any, to a baby, I'll say
a fetus, a baby that survives an abortion that does happen.
There are people who have testified before Congress about it
happening to them. So in the case of an abortion procedure,
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what it means is that they have removed the fetus
from the womb and they have not destroyed the fetus,
and now there is a little baby that is alive.
This is a reality, This is a thing that happens.
In fact, there was a bill that uh was passed
or they tried to pass it at past the state level.
Have to go back and find all the you know,
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the history of it was called the Born Alive Infant
Protection Act, and it was because they were addressing the
conservatives and pro life movement. We're trying to address what
legal protections are offered to a baby that survives an abortion,
because essentially the abortion procedure is only completed based on
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the logic of the procedure when the fetus is terminated.
But if you have a failed, failed abortion, does then
the fetus get actually legal protection as a baby, as
a human being. This was a real law. This was
a There was a state version of by the Obama
voted against it when he was in Illinois, just the
state version of it. So what they're saying is not true.
And I mean, if you look at Colorado, Colorado passed
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a state in advance of Row, passed a state abortion
rights law that said that you know any reason, no reason,
any time in a pregnancy. I mean, it is the
most radical abortion law outside of North Korea in the
entire world.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
There's also a push here, and I think this is
important to seven to me, seven eight nine month abortion
is radical. It is Democrat orthodoxy to allow that. Trump
was trying to get at that. They pulled him away.
They shifted the discussion as soon as he was starting
to levy those points and make those points. Here's something
else that I think ties in with this buck Kamala
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Harris prosecutor. She makes a big deal by being a prosecutor.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I would love to know.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
If Kamala Harris ever prosecuted a murder of a pregnant
mother with a viable fetus that was also killed in
that murder. Reason why I asked this question. There's an
inherent tension very easily laid out in the Democrat position
on abortion.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Let me explain.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I think the vast majority of you out there, if
you had a pregnant wife and or a pregnant mother
someone in relation to you, and a vile act of
murder was committed against her and she was seven to
eight or nine months pregnant or six months pregnant, or
whatever the term is, and she died, you wouldn't see
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that as only one murder. You would grieve that as
the murder of the mother and the murder of the baby.
There are many state laws that protect the life of
a child in the event that that occurs. It's in
direct conflict with the idea that you should be able
to have an abortion in seven, eight, nine months, because
the viability of the fetus is treated as a life
for purposes of murder and not one for purposes of abortion.
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That's a real tension. Now, that's complicated, but I think
it gets at the essence here of where we draw
the line. And the Democrat position is radical. And when
Trump was trying to lay that out, first of all,
they came in, Lindsay Davis weighed in and said, you're
basically a liar, which is her putting her full support
behind Kamala Harris. And then they allow Kamala Harris to
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lie about Charlottesville and to lie about the boss bath,
and they don't weigh in at all.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Why move Why I move the discussion? There's a rhetorical question,
why move the discussion? At that point, Trump said, is
this is an abortion in the seventh month. Yeah, not
to save the life of the mother, which is a
separate issue which Trump has also addressed, but as an
elective abortion in the in the seventh month of the
eighth month, when there's clear viability of the baby inside
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the womb to live currently normal life outside the womb.
Is that Okay? Why doesn't Kamala Harris have to answer
that question? She doesn't want to answer the question because
the position of the Democrat Party and therefore the position
of Kamala Harris as the answer is yes, it's in fantasy.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
That's It's a great example buck also of how questions
are asked. And I'll give you another example of this.
I believe if you were going to ask a question
about January sixth, or you were going to ask a
question about July thirteenth, the assassination attempt on Trump, you
should ask a question about the assassination attempt. Maybe you
could ask about both. But if you ask Kamala Harris,
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you you have regularly compared Donald.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Trump to a fascist dictator.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You and your boss, Joe Biden have said that Donald
Trump is like Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederacy.
You have compared him to Adolf Hitler. Does your rhetoric
bear any responsibility when an assassination attempt occurs and the
president is almost killed? Would you like to change your rhetoric?
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Do you believe that he is actually Adolf Hitler? That's
the kind of question you could ask that would really
put her on the spot. There were none of those questions,
by and large for Kamala last night. If you go
back and look, there were a lot of them for Trump.
And the way in which you convey that question dictates
to not only weighing in on pact checks, but how
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you ask questions gives an incredible idea of where you
actually are on the bias scale. Buck, I think you
and I if we had been there instead of David
Muir and Lindsay Davis and I think we could have
done and I would fill out degated to do a
far fairer example. I think a lot of you out
there would actually be upset with me, because my goal
would be if I were a moderator of a debate,
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my job is not to be the star. It's to
make these people tell you what they really think and
provoke disagreement. And that sometimes means that you're going to
ask tough questions like Megan Kelly did back in the day.
That's the job of a moderator, but it's not the
job of a moderator to end up the story. And
I think the ABC moderators are the story. The CNN
moderators were not. The candidate should be the story.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Good news is I think this whole story is going
to fade very quickly. I think Trump's ahead. I think
Trump's going to continue to stay ahead as long as
he stays focused. It seems to me that the Kamala
campaign as of today is likely to have another debate,
So maybe maybe we'll get an opportunity. Do you think
he should do it?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Let's talk about it when we come back, because I
think that's a good question. Should he do another debate?
I'm also curious from you guys. You can continue to
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Speaker 2 (29:05):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. It's a
post debate day. Were getting into all of it. We're
also going to talk to our friend Ryan Gradusky here
in just a few minutes about what the numbers are
looking like, because that's what really I think matters. The
most at this stage. Obviously, eventually what will matter the
most is wins this election. But I do think that
going into this debate, Trump was ahead. I think he
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is still ahead, and we'll see how swing voters and
moderates react to what happened last night, if they really
react in a perceptible way at all. I think there's
a lot that's still open, and we'll get into some
of that. We'll talk to Ryan about that here in
just a moment, we have Okay, we got a lot
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of calls Maureene in North Carolina. What's up, Maureen?
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Hey, how you doing.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
We are great, Thanks for calling in.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
I'm a huge fan of the show, love it.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
So yeah. I sat and watched the entire debate, and
I have to agree I was a bit disappointed. I
was pulling for the Dawn, you know, and I thought,
but as soon as a few questions in, I realized
it was an ambush. Like immediately I said, I said
(30:26):
to my husband, oh, it's three against one, you know
what I mean. But I just I was disappointed. And
I know he had a lot of opportunities where he
could have just stuck.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
It to her.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Dude, excuse me, he had a few good jobs though
in there that we're pretty entertaining. But I got to
tell you, I just wish that he would have just
dropped the ego for just a few minutes, you know,
and just you know, a feel to the American people
and tell him that, you know, I've gone through how
well and that because I you know, I believe in
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our country, you know, and just be more leader like.
And it was just a bit of a disappointment. And
I detest Kamala or however you say her name. I
don't think that she is a good person. I don't
think that she is authentic, and I think she was
(31:25):
a liar. And I think the ABC did a disservice
to the American people.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Thank you for the call, Maureene.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I think one of the challenges Buck is you can
over prepare for a debate, and that comes across because
you sound inauthentic and you're just trying to deliver winning lines.
But you can also underprepare, and there is a fine
line between being authentic and on your feet responding. I
actually thought Trump listened to Kamala and allowed her to
(31:57):
dictate the direction that he went a lot, because he
responded to the things that she said, whereas I thought
more she just went straight to her talking points and
to a large extent, ignored much of what Trump said.
And I think that's why the debate felt the way
it did, because she put it on the ground that
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she wanted. And I mean, when you get a border
question and you end up talking about the size of
your crowds, I mean she wins.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yes. Unfortunately, that was that was one of the moments
where you saw the Kamala strategy working. Look, one of
my big concerns here is that the don't have Kamala unscripted,
don't subject her to real media questioning or even just
sort of public interaction in a way that is natural
and real. If that works, what does that say about
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politics in America. I mean, it's honestly says we're a
country of idiots who can be easily fooled, or at
least half of us can be. So that's very disconcerting.
We've also got Keith in West Texas. I thinks Trump
did an amazing job. Okay, go ahead, Keith.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Hey, guys, I completely disagree with all your loyal listeners
Monday morning quarterbacks that Trump, you know, could have done
would have done, should have done. He eviscerated her on
all the points he commanded that whole debate. Yeah, the
fix was in, you know, of course the fix was in.
(33:25):
I mean, I'm a loyal Trump supporter. But at the
end of the day, whoever's voting for Trump his voting
for Trump. Whoever's not voting for Trump isn't voting for Trump.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Well, then, Keith, does the debate is not? Yeah, serious,
then what's the point of doing debate at all?
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Exactly exactly?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Okay, well, look I made thank you for the call, Keith.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I do think that the entire point of the presidential
campaign at this point.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Keith is right.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Ninety five percent of people may well have decided exactly
how they're going to vote. But let's be generous in
say there there are five percent of the American public
out there that still doesn't know how they vote. They're
going to decide the election. So this is not a
base election. You can't just say, oh, the people who
like Trump already like Trump, and the people who don't
like him already. There are people who voted for Biden
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in twenty twenty that are willing to vote for Trump
in twenty twenty four. You might think that's crazy. There
are people who voted for Trump in twenty twenty that
are willing to vote for Kamala in twenty twenty four.
You might think that's crazy. There are also a lot
of people buck who are going to decide on election
day whether they go to vote or not based on
what happens in the couple of weeks before the election.
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Those people decide the race, and so any opportunity you
can get to speak to them and tell them why
you're the right choice, I think matters. I think that's
ultimately why we have elections in the first place. So
I disagree with Keith. I guess well, we also got
k C in Utah. Case wants to take Keith's part
in this.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
What's up? Case?
Speaker 8 (34:57):
Hi, just a quick question for you guy. You guys,
out of the last nine presidents, who would you rank
as a top orator out of the last nine? So
that goes back to President Ford.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I mean probably Reagan?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Okay, Yeah, I mean I look, I would say in
terms of you mean like a speech or debating, are
you wanting like a top nine power ranking? I think
Reagan is a phenomenal communicator. I think if you're talking
just reading glass, Obama read and delivered speech as well
as a very good communicator. I think Clinton was in
his era a very good communicator, So that would probably
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be in the last I wasn't alive for Ford, but
that would probably be my top three if you were
asking me in terms of just straight communicat W.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Bush was kind of famously not a great adept at communicating,
and honestly, George H. W.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Bush was also not great at I think that's right.
So what are you what were you getting at, Casey?
What's your what's your argument here?
Speaker 8 (35:59):
I would put Barack Obama in the top two. I
mean he's smooth, okay, when as far as the orator, Now,
who would you how would where would you rank Barack
Obama as far as the president?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Terrible?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
And your point is that lots of people can be
good presidents and not great speakers. I don't think we
dispute that at all. People have different skill sets. In fact,
I was telling Debuck on some level, I wish Trump
could pick the best defender of his policy and have
that person speak for him, and Kamala could pick the
best defender of her policy and have that person speak
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for the n might be a better debate.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
It's it's like when Cherry and Lanister had Prince Obin
step in for him, but that didn't end that well.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Unfortunately spoiler alert, the Mountain got him
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. We got
a lot of people weighing in on the VIP emails.
I'm actually going to read some of them because i
think they're particularly interesting.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
In astute, you.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Can go subscribe to the Clay and Buck vip. You
can watch us on video. Waving to you right now here. Hi,
Thank you guys. Lots of you in the Clay and
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you listening at the five hundred some odd stations out
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
As we break down reactions to the debate that happened
last night, let me hit you with this, Buck, I
am of the opinion that the most reliable place to
go look for immediate reaction to the debate is the
gambling markets. And some of you out there are gonna say, I, Clay,
I don't know why you care about.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
The gambling markets. Let me tell you.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
There's basically three ways to decide what you think of
an election. One is intuition and We do a lot
of that on this program. Hey, here's what I'm seeing,
here's what I'm feeling, here's what I'm thinking. But all intuition,
that is, your personal experience is colored by whatever surrounds you.
And the data reflects that most people live in communities
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where people tend to agree with them. That is, there
aren't that many people who actually live in swing states
or swing counties or cities within those swing states. So
most people I know where I live, most people in
my neighborhood, they're all voting Trump. Most people in your
neighborhood to a large extent, probably voting Trump too. So
that has a flaw because it's hard to know what
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three hundred and thirty million people are thinking on any
given day.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Two is the polls.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
The challenge with the polls is they're a varying quality
and they've been proven to be wrong a lot. Third
one is gambling odds. I like gambling odds, but because
at a minimum, it requires you to put your money
where your mouth is. If you think the gambling odds
are wrong, take the other side. I love sports gambling
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for that reason. Hey, this is what we expect to
happen in the game. If you agree or disagree, you
can take either side. Trump came in on polymarket as
the favorite in the debates. Buck, he is still the
favorites in the debate as we are talking right now.
And if you're wondering, nearly nine hundred million dollars has
been met, nearly a billion dollars on who is going
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to be the president? Trump right now fifty percent chance,
Kamala Harris forty eight percent chance. That is a very
tiny margin. We came in with Trump having created a
little bit of a lead. I thought he had the
opportunity to put it away. In sports terms, I felt
like Trump had the opportunity in the fourth quarter to
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score a touchdown to go up double digits, and he
turned the ball over.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
With the way that he performed.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
He didn't take advantage of the best opportunities that Kamala
constantly gave him. And let me read you some of
these VIP emails, Buck, because I think they're super interesting. Tyler,
I joined the Clay and Buck vip just to say
this missed opportunity for Trump when Kamala. So I'm just
gonna kind of give you some some different takes, Mike
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for Trump to be so unprepared for this debate, where
he had a golden opportunity to lock up the presidency
is disappointing. Harris set him up with nonsense rally sizes.
He took debate after that exchange, he never returned to
the calm confidence for such a smart man. I'm disappointed
at his lack of presence.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I identified her pick as Walls as the moment she
lost the election. This is Matt Tonight's when Trump lost it.
But they can't both lose now what. I'm so angry
at him for letting her bait him again and again
and again. Alan Trump got hustled. The debate was a
political ad for Kamala. It's obvious. I've not yelled at
my TV this much in my fifty seven years combined.
(04:05):
I can't wait to see the media take on the debate.
So many missed opportunities. Chris right out of the gate.
Whether they're better off now than four years ago. Harris
went first and blew it. Trump then blew it anyway.
All of these basically agreeing with what we said in
the first hour, which is Trump had an opportunity to
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knock Kamala out, and he failed, and I want to
just hit you with this buck. The point that I'm
the most angry about today is nine to eleven. Credit
to Tunnel to Towers, which does an impeccable, incredible job
twenty three years after continuing to fight for not only
those who lost their lives there, but all of those
out there that are giving their lives and putting their
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lives on the line every single day. Kamala tried to
say on the eve of nine to eleven in Pennsylvania,
one of the states where the plane crashed in Shanksville, PA,
I had to say that January sixth was the worst
attack on this nation since the Civil War Pearl Harbor happened.
But we're on the eve of nine to eleven. How
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in the world was that allowed to stand when Biden's
been saying it for years on the eve of nine
to eleven. To me, that was the essence of not
being prepared.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
And if you really wanted to get to the top
level of how to respond to this play, it would
have been uh Kamal would have been Trump saying, not
only is today nine eleven, but the Biden Harris administration
handed Afghanistan back to the Taliban and increasingly it is
completely ties in with Yes, yeah, the the twenty plus
(05:46):
year war Biden allows it to collapse into calamity and
and yeah, it was. It was certainly I think a
missed opportunity there. When did you want to get to
some of our calls? Now, let's take some call? We
when go and take some calls. Let's do it? Do
we have I assume, guys, we still have the same
crew up here, the same same list. Let me know,
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David in Utah, you're up first. What's up, David?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Hey, guys, So the part that's really frustrating to me.
And I was a sixteen voter. I voted for him
in twenty and I'm going to vote for him again
in twenty four. That's not but I'm I'm like the
guy was that would attend to rally. Right, You're not
going to change my mind because I can see the obvious.
But it's not good enough right now to hold the
ball and not let them move it forward. We got
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to move the ball the other directions. So the people
in the middle are the ones that have got to
be swayed. So the people in the Trump camp, they're
in the Trump camp, they're gonna stay in the Trump camp.
The people into the Malla's camp, they're going to stay there.
You've got this little group in the middle. And what
frustrated me is what everybody in your VIP emails just
said is where he kept taking the bait, kept falling
(06:55):
into the traps, and to complain about the moderators. That
frustrates me because I'm like, dude, that is like looking
out the window seeing that it's raining and then choosing
to go out and play in the rain in the
mud and complaining and saying, well, you didn't do your
best because you were wetting money. No kidding, move on,
don't do it. If you're not gonna do your best
in them. If you don't think you can play in
the mud and the rain, don't play in the mud
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and the rain. And the other part that really frustrates
me is when he walks out after and says it
was his best debate performance ever. Now, I don't expect
Trump to whatever come out and say, hey, I didn't
do my best or whatever, even though I truly believe
that if he had an out of humility, which I
believe he sees his weakness, which it's not, he would
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draw a lot more women and a lot more people
who are in the middle, because that's the type of
people they are. They want to see someone that can say, hey,
you know what, I didn't do my best on debating,
but you have lived four years under my administration, You've
lived three and a half under hers. What were you
doing in those those different years? Were you better under
her or were you better under me? I wasn't my
(07:58):
best debate performance, but hey, I can get the job
done for you. And I truly think that even just
that amount of humility would draw those middle people to
our side to say, hey, you know, he's still human.
He doesn't like to lose, but he can acknowledge. Because
even in the best sports athlete, if you can't look
at the situation and say, hey, I dropped the ball
too many times, but I mean you give me on
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that field again, and I'm going to put six on
the board. That right there, I think would move a
move mountains. Because after he about had his head blown off,
everybody sensed just a slight difference about Donald Trump, and
I truly believe it was because there was an ounce
of humility around him, and people saw that and it
was uniting.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I think he felt touched by God when he did
not get assassinated Techno day. Absolutely, Yes, yeah it was.
I do think there was an element of humility there.
Let me play that. Well, let's keep taking calls that
I want to play. We've got the cut of Kamala
trying to say it's the worst day since the Civil War.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
But uh, what you got Ryan and Pennsylvania up? Now?
What's up?
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Ryan?
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Guys?
Speaker 6 (09:02):
How you doing good?
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Great? Good?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Look, we all know Trump to do better, we all
know this.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
Maybe he did that on purpose.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
No, this is a bad theory.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You think he intentionally didn't perform well in front of
tens of millions of people.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Oh, he laying the trap?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Now he wants this a bad argument. Sorry, we got
to cut him off. You don't lay a trap by
getting your ass kicked. I'm sorry, Ryan, I'm Ryan. I
didn't get to weigh in here, and I would I
would have let.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
You you you think Ryan's I I agree with Clay's
veto of the theory, but I would have We would
have let Ryan finish out his point there. But Ryan,
we do love you, We appreciate you calling in. I
think we got to guide you back. I don't think
that Trump is playing possum here in the hopes of
in the second time around. He should. He knows it
(09:58):
is finish, finish the job time right away, no question
about it. But hey, taking outside the box. We appreciate it,
Jennifer and Texas, what have you got for us?
Speaker 7 (10:09):
Hi, guys. My take is a little bit different. I
think that last night was a big cofou feast for
the socialist liberals, but as far as independence go, I'm
a libertarian as far as that goes. She looked cold, calculating, unsympathetic,
(10:31):
and then I think for it also, the it just
looked like it was a setup. It looked like they
worked together. Yes, at least Trump looked sincere. He looked
like he was trying to explain himself, even though he
didn't do a good job. So I just think there
(10:52):
was a difference between oh, we don't. I don't think so.
She looked she didn't answer any questions. She just had punchline,
that's all she had, and so I think it was
for her tofu group. I don't think the independence really really.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, Jennifer. I hope you're right. I hope you're right.
I'm a I'm a you know, I'm open to UH.
I'm open to the data that says that the swing
voters didn't really like Kamala. If this was like a
Lincoln Douglas debuit, what's the what kind of debate does
your son do?
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Clay?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I used toe the Lincoln Douglas debate LD debate they
called it? What is a? Is it policy debate or
something they called what do they call it?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, it's when you talk really fast and try to
make as many points as you can and as rapid
of a fashion as you can. It's not a Douglas
style debate. I think it's the policy debate.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
But yeah, I'm just saying, if we were grading this
like debate judges, which is kind of how we've approached it,
that's different, Right, politics is different than uh than some
academic exercise. One more here before we get to break
mark in Denver. You wanted to win, and my friend
thank you?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (12:02):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Very disappointed in the debate last night. At one point
I turned to my wife and said, boy, I just
don't like how this is going. I'm curious so about
the potential of a second debate and where that could
be held in a more neutral location, perhaps a black university.
I don't really know, but I'm certainly open suggestions. I'd
like to see something more fair at Kurve.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
I love.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I turned to my wife. My wife came out about
an hour into the debate. We were watching in different rooms,
and she was so mad. She was so mad at
how Kamala was just baiting Trump. And I think there
were a lot of you out there that as soon
as you heard her attack the rally, you were like, oh, no,
he's going to talk about the rallies instead of talking
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about the border and the economy and pivoting and all
these things. And I felt like, you know, I kind
of laughed. They said she went back and watched tape
of all the debates. But I think that she did
a better job than Biden did of getting Trump to
follow her down the rabbit hole instead of focused on
all of her failures. It's just like the half the
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time you were talking about things that didn't matter.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Just think about it this way for a moment. Last night,
there was discussion of J six, There was discussion of
crowd size, there was discussion of all prompted by the moderators,
by the way, and Kamala jumped in on this too.
Who was discussion of who won the twenty twenty election.
There was discussion of Kamala's previous sort of heritage identification
(13:37):
or whatever. None of that matters at all to any
of your lives for the next four years. None of
that has any any effect of any meaningful kind on
our lives at all. And yet somehow they all came
up last night of the debate, isn't isn't that just
so interesting?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I'm still so angry just about the whole way that
this went down. It's not every day that I come
on and I'm angry, but I just I find her
to be uniquely detestable and awful as a choice for
the country, and I want her to get eviscerated. And
I feel like there's so much ammunition out there to
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Speaker 2 (15:42):
One of the most outrageous and just grotesque statements of Kamalaris,
of course, is J six on the eve of nine
to eleven, J six, the worst attack on our country
since the Civil War. This is what she said. Play it.
Speaker 10 (15:58):
Donald Trump left us the worst attack on our democracy
since the Civil War. And what we have done is
clean up Donald Trump's mess.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Of nine to eleven. Dude, worse than worse than Pearl Harbor. Yes,
way worse. Thousands of thousand people killed. There was a
cop who had a heart attack a few days later,
and she's saying that that's worse than what happened on
nine to eleven and Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Wow, and I get on the spot if that's said.
New attacks can sometimes be difficult to respond to in
the moment. It's a high stress, high stakes environment. They've
been making this argument for multiple years now, and when
they have arguments like those to me, I understand some
of you out there, and you said this earlier. I
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think it's important people say, oh, she had the questions
in advance. We all had the questions in advance. It's
not like they got asked who the Prime Minister of
Albania is right. It wasn't a quiz bowl. It's hey,
we're gonna ask you. There's forty potential questions they could ask.
Really right, everybody knew what those forty questions were. Prep
(17:09):
have your best answers ready and know what the other
side's gonna say, and deliver the best.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Case for your side out there. Now there's polling.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I think the reality of this buck and I do
think this is important. I don't think very many people's
mind have been changed at all by anything that happened
in the debate, because I don't think there's that many
truly swing voters. And I think ultimately this race comes
down to was your life better with four years of
Trump or has your life been better with four years
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of Biden? That is the question, and I think most
people are going to come down on my life was
better with Trump. But Trump had a chance to make
that case and really knock her out, and it didn't
happen last night.
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Clay Travis and buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I want
to play a couple of cuts that I thought were
an important pivot point in this debate. Kamala came out,
I thought she was weak. I thought the first thirty
minutes was basically even then. I thought Trump delivered a
pretty good answer on abortion.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
And I want to.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Play two cuts where it felt like to me. They
helped weigh in on the debate in favor of Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
And here is.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Cut two when there is a quote unquote fact check
about no state allowing post birth abortions. This was the
first time that suddenly the moderators stepped in and aggressively
went on Kamala Harris's side.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Cut two.
Speaker 11 (19:37):
I give tremendous credit to those six justices.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
There is no state in this country where it is
legal to kill a baby after it's born.
Speaker 8 (19:45):
Not and Vice President want to get your response to
President Trump.
Speaker 10 (19:48):
Well, as I said, you're gonna hear a bunch of lies.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
That was when Kamala Harris suddenly was like, okay, they
got my back. I can get away with anything. And
then they saved Kamala Harris. I thought Trump was really
good here when he says he has her on the
ropes and he asked Kamala Harris if she supports full
(20:11):
term abortions, which every Democrat does. Listen to cut four
where suddenly the demoderators come in and pull Trump. You know,
it's like a boxing match. They pull him away from
her and in the round. Listen to cut four. Right
after that Lindsay Davis interjection.
Speaker 11 (20:29):
You should ask will she allow abortion in the eighth month,
ninth month, seventh month?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Okay, would you do that?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Why don't you ask that question?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
That's the question, the question.
Speaker 11 (20:42):
You could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth month,
the ninth month, and probably after birth. Just look at
the governor, former governor of Virginia. The governor of Virginia said,
we put the baby aside and then we determine what
we want to do with a baby.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
We're going to turn down to immigration and order security.
He's right.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Governor Ralph Northam is on video talking about performing abortions.
Like again, one of the challenges you have in debates
is you have to sometimes explain, but they suddenly pivot
right when he's got Kamala Harris, Hey, where do you
actually draw on the line? Which is the question?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Right? Well, also this goes to what what are the
legal protections offered, if any, to a baby, I'll say
a fetus, a baby that survives an abortion that does happen.
There are people who have testified before Congress about it
happening to them. So in the case of an abortion procedure,
(21:37):
what it means is that they have removed the fetus
from the womb and they have not destroyed the fetus,
and now there is a little baby that is alive.
This is a reality, This is a thing that happens.
In fact, there was a bill that uh was passed
or they tried to pass it at past the state level.
Have to go back and find all the you know,
(21:57):
the history of it was called the Born Alive Infant
Protection Act, and it was because they were addressing the
conservatives and pro life movement. We're trying to address what
legal protections are offered to a baby that survives an abortion,
because essentially the abortion procedure is only completed based on
(22:17):
the logic of the procedure when the fetus is terminated.
But if you have a failed, failed abortion, does then
the fetus get actually legal protection as a baby, as
a human being. This was a real law. This was
a There was a state version of by the Obama
voted against it when he was in Illinois, just the
state version of it. So what they're saying is not true.
And I mean, if you look at Colorado, Colorado passed
(22:41):
a state in advance of Row, passed a state abortion
rights law that said that you know any reason, no reason,
any time in a pregnancy. I mean, it is the
most radical abortion law outside of North Korea in the
entire world.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
There's also a push here, and I think this is
important to seven to me, seven eight nine month abortion
is radical. It is Democrat orthodoxy to allow that. Trump
was trying to get at that. They pulled him away.
They shifted the discussion as soon as he was starting
to levy those points and make those points. Here's something
else that I think ties in with this buck Kamala
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Harris prosecutor. She makes a big deal by being a prosecutor.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I would love to know.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
If Kamala Harris ever prosecuted a murder of a pregnant
mother with a viable fetus that was also killed in
that murder. Reason why I asked this question. There's an
inherent tension very easily laid out in the Democrat position
on abortion.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Let me explain.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I think the vast majority of you out there, if
you had a pregnant wife and or a pregnant mother
someone in relation to you, and a vile act of
murder was committed against her and she was seven to
eight or nine months pregnant or six months pregnant, or
whatever the term is, and she died, you wouldn't see
(24:07):
that as only one murder. You would grieve that as
the murder of the mother and the murder of the baby.
There are many state laws that protect the life of
a child in the event that that occurs. It's in
direct conflict with the idea that you should be able
to have an abortion in seven, eight, nine months, because
the viability of the fetus is treated as a life
for purposes of murder and not one for purposes of abortion.
(24:30):
That's a real tension. Now, that's complicated, but I think
it gets at the essence here of where we draw
the line. And the Democrat position is radical. And when
Trump was trying to lay that out, first of all,
they came in, Lindsay Davis weighed in and said, you're
basically a liar, which is her putting her full support
behind Kamala Harris. And then they allow Kamala Harris to
(24:53):
lie about Charlottesville and to lie about the boss bath,
and they don't weigh in at all.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Why move Why I move the discussion? There's a rhetorical question,
why move the discussion? At that point, Trump said, is
this is an abortion in the seventh month. Yeah, not
to save the life of the mother, which is a
separate issue which Trump has also addressed, but as an
elective abortion in the in the seventh month of the
eighth month, when there's clear viability of the baby inside
(25:19):
the womb to live currently normal life outside the womb.
Is that Okay? Why doesn't Kamala Harris have to answer
that question? She doesn't want to answer the question because
the position of the Democrat Party and therefore the position
of Kamala Harris as the answer is yes, it's in fantasy.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
That's It's a great example buck also of how questions
are asked. And I'll give you another example of this.
I believe if you were going to ask a question
about January sixth, or you were going to ask a
question about July thirteenth, the assassination attempt on Trump, you
should ask a question about the assassination attempt. Maybe you
could ask about both. But if you ask Kamala Harris,
(25:59):
you you have regularly compared Donald.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Trump to a fascist dictator.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You and your boss, Joe Biden have said that Donald
Trump is like Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederacy.
You have compared him to Adolf Hitler. Does your rhetoric
bear any responsibility when an assassination attempt occurs and the
president is almost killed? Would you like to change your rhetoric?
(26:25):
Do you believe that he is actually Adolf Hitler? That's
the kind of question you could ask that would really
put her on the spot. There were none of those questions,
by and large for Kamala last night. If you go
back and look, there were a lot of them for Trump.
And the way in which you convey that question dictates
to not only weighing in on pact checks, but how
(26:47):
you ask questions gives an incredible idea of where you
actually are on the bias scale. Buck, I think you
and I if we had been there instead of David
Muir and Lindsay Davis and I think we could have
done and I would fill out degated to do a
far fairer example. I think a lot of you out
there would actually be upset with me, because my goal
would be if I were a moderator of a debate,
(27:09):
my job is not to be the star. It's to
make these people tell you what they really think and
provoke disagreement. And that sometimes means that you're going to
ask tough questions like Megan Kelly did back in the day.
That's the job of a moderator, but it's not the
job of a moderator to end up the story. And
I think the ABC moderators are the story. The CNN
moderators were not. The candidate should be the story.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Good news is I think this whole story is going
to fade very quickly. I think Trump's ahead. I think
Trump's going to continue to stay ahead as long as
he stays focused. It seems to me that the Kamala
campaign as of today is likely to have another debate,
So maybe maybe we'll get an opportunity. Do you think
he should do it?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Let's talk about it when we come back, because I
think that's a good question. Should he do another debate?
I'm also curious from you guys. You can continue to
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Speaker 2 (29:05):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. It's a
post debate day. Were getting into all of it. We're
also going to talk to our friend Ryan Gradusky here
in just a few minutes about what the numbers are
looking like, because that's what really I think matters. The
most at this stage. Obviously, eventually what will matter the
most is wins this election. But I do think that
going into this debate, Trump was ahead. I think he
(29:26):
is still ahead, and we'll see how swing voters and
moderates react to what happened last night, if they really
react in a perceptible way at all. I think there's
a lot that's still open, and we'll get into some
of that. We'll talk to Ryan about that here in
just a moment, we have Okay, we got a lot
(29:48):
of calls Maureene in North Carolina. What's up, Maureen?
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Hey, how you doing.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
We are great, Thanks for calling in.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
I'm a huge fan of the show, love it.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
So yeah. I sat and watched the entire debate, and
I have to agree I was a bit disappointed. I
was pulling for the Dawn, you know, and I thought,
but as soon as a few questions in, I realized
it was an ambush. Like immediately I said, I said
(30:26):
to my husband, oh, it's three against one, you know
what I mean. But I just I was disappointed. And
I know he had a lot of opportunities where he
could have just stuck.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
It to her.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Dude, excuse me, he had a few good jobs though
in there that we're pretty entertaining. But I got to
tell you, I just wish that he would have just
dropped the ego for just a few minutes, you know,
and just you know, a feel to the American people
and tell him that, you know, I've gone through how
well and that because I you know, I believe in
(31:03):
our country, you know, and just be more leader like.
And it was just a bit of a disappointment. And
I detest Kamala or however you say her name. I
don't think that she is a good person. I don't
think that she is authentic, and I think she was
(31:25):
a liar. And I think the ABC did a disservice
to the American people.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Thank you for the call, Maureene.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I think one of the challenges Buck is you can
over prepare for a debate, and that comes across because
you sound inauthentic and you're just trying to deliver winning lines.
But you can also underprepare, and there is a fine
line between being authentic and on your feet responding. I
actually thought Trump listened to Kamala and allowed her to
(31:57):
dictate the direction that he went a lot, because he
responded to the things that she said, whereas I thought
more she just went straight to her talking points and
to a large extent, ignored much of what Trump said.
And I think that's why the debate felt the way
it did, because she put it on the ground that
(32:18):
she wanted. And I mean, when you get a border
question and you end up talking about the size of
your crowds, I mean she wins.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yes. Unfortunately, that was that was one of the moments
where you saw the Kamala strategy working. Look, one of
my big concerns here is that the don't have Kamala unscripted,
don't subject her to real media questioning or even just
sort of public interaction in a way that is natural
and real. If that works, what does that say about
(32:46):
politics in America. I mean, it's honestly says we're a
country of idiots who can be easily fooled, or at
least half of us can be. So that's very disconcerting.
We've also got Keith in West Texas. I thinks Trump
did an amazing job. Okay, go ahead, Keith.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Hey, guys, I completely disagree with all your loyal listeners
Monday morning quarterbacks that Trump, you know, could have done
would have done, should have done. He eviscerated her on
all the points he commanded that whole debate. Yeah, the
fix was in, you know, of course the fix was in.
(33:25):
I mean, I'm a loyal Trump supporter. But at the
end of the day, whoever's voting for Trump his voting
for Trump. Whoever's not voting for Trump isn't voting for Trump.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Well, then, Keith, does the debate is not? Yeah, serious,
then what's the point of doing debate at all?
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Exactly exactly?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Okay, well, look I made thank you for the call, Keith.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I do think that the entire point of the presidential
campaign at this point.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Keith is right.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Ninety five percent of people may well have decided exactly
how they're going to vote. But let's be generous in
say there there are five percent of the American public
out there that still doesn't know how they vote. They're
going to decide the election. So this is not a
base election. You can't just say, oh, the people who
like Trump already like Trump, and the people who don't
like him already. There are people who voted for Biden
(34:15):
in twenty twenty that are willing to vote for Trump
in twenty twenty four. You might think that's crazy. There
are people who voted for Trump in twenty twenty that
are willing to vote for Kamala in twenty twenty four.
You might think that's crazy. There are also a lot
of people buck who are going to decide on election
day whether they go to vote or not based on
what happens in the couple of weeks before the election.
(34:37):
Those people decide the race, and so any opportunity you
can get to speak to them and tell them why
you're the right choice, I think matters. I think that's
ultimately why we have elections in the first place. So
I disagree with Keith. I guess well, we also got
k C in Utah. Case wants to take Keith's part
in this.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
What's up? Case?
Speaker 8 (34:57):
Hi, just a quick question for you guy. You guys,
out of the last nine presidents, who would you rank
as a top orator out of the last nine? So
that goes back to President Ford.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I mean probably Reagan?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Okay, Yeah, I mean I look, I would say in
terms of you mean like a speech or debating, are
you wanting like a top nine power ranking? I think
Reagan is a phenomenal communicator. I think if you're talking
just reading glass, Obama read and delivered speech as well
as a very good communicator. I think Clinton was in
his era a very good communicator, So that would probably
(35:38):
be in the last I wasn't alive for Ford, but
that would probably be my top three if you were
asking me in terms of just straight communicat W.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Bush was kind of famously not a great adept at communicating,
and honestly, George H. W.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Bush was also not great at I think that's right.
So what are you what were you getting at, Casey?
What's your what's your argument here?
Speaker 8 (35:59):
I would put Barack Obama in the top two. I
mean he's smooth, okay, when as far as the orator, Now,
who would you how would where would you rank Barack
Obama as far as the president?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Terrible?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
And your point is that lots of people can be
good presidents and not great speakers. I don't think we
dispute that at all. People have different skill sets. In fact,
I was telling Debuck on some level, I wish Trump
could pick the best defender of his policy and have
that person speak for him, and Kamala could pick the
best defender of her policy and have that person speak
(36:35):
for the n might be a better debate.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
It's it's like when Cherry and Lanister had Prince Obin
step in for him, but that didn't end that well.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Unfortunately spoiler alert, the Mountain got him
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