June 17, 2024 • 36 mins
Polls are looking bad for Joe Biden out there, especially with black men. Now Ukraine is going to cost a trillion dollars! Illegals are hurting Biden, as is inflation. Attacking the Supreme Court is part of the Democrat effort to pack the court. Dr. Ben Carson, brilliant surgeon and former HUD secretary, talks with Clay and Buck about what it would take to be President Trump’s VP and why people are supporting Trump’s candidacy. The Resistance 2.0 is taking shape on the left, as Trump proves unstoppable.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in, Clay, Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us on this fantastic Monday as
we roll closer and closer to next week's debate, and
I would say things continue to look bad for Joe
Biden out there in the polling marketplace, but also just
(00:24):
the discussion marketplace that is so much of the public perception.
Let me give you a couple of data points out there.
Number one, and I want to unpack this with you
a little bit here, Buck, the Iowa poll that we
reference that's done by the Des Moines Register by this
sort of pole wizard, has Donald Trump up eighteen points. Reminder,
(00:48):
Trump won Iowa by eight in twenty twenty. I want
to talk a bit about that with you. Also, there
is an economist sort of running tally on what they
expect to see from the election. Joe Biden now is
down to Donald Trump in the probability they that he
(01:08):
will win the election seventy two to twenty eight. The
economist is not a partisan news outlet, so to speak.
It's very obviously as you would expect business, not a
Trump partisan news outlet, that's for sure. Yes, And for
Trump to have opened in their tally, which looks at polling,
which looks at economic indicators. For him to have opened
(01:31):
a seventy two to twenty eight lead is pretty seismic.
So Buck, I want to hit you with this. I
went back and I looked, and I said, Okay, let's
have an actual conversation about the data, not only in Iowa,
but how it has traditionally trended. And you mentioned earlier
in the first hour Trump up eighteen fifty to thirty
(01:52):
two nine for RFK junior, Joe Biden's approval down to
twenty eight percent. This is the demo Register and Seltzer
poll that she has been doing for years and years.
And to put this into context, a couple of different
points here that I think are very significant. First of all,
(02:12):
Ann Seltzer's been doing these des Moines Register polls for
a long time. Do you remember Buck in twenty twenty
in the fall, when she went from in June of
twenty twenty, so four years ago, Trump was up one.
She had Trump up one in Iowa this time in
the four year news cycle, that's June of twenty twenty
(02:33):
September of twenty twenty, she had a dead tie In
her last poll that she put out, she had Trump
up seven. He went on to win Iowa by about eight.
This was for many people, a wait a minute. Twenty
twenty is going to be closer than many people anticipate
(02:53):
because Ann Seltzer has such a reputation for nailing what
happens in Iowa. But I wanted to hit you with
a couple of data points here. So she had Trump
winning by seven in her final poll. He wins by eight.
In twenty twenty, she has Trump up eighteen right now.
This time in twenty twenty against Biden, she had Trump
(03:16):
up one, and she has continued to have Trump continuing
to pull away away a bit in her overall tally.
But Iowa to me is a really interesting snapshot buck
for this reason because if you go back Barack Obama
won Iowa in twenty two one thousand and eight, he
(03:36):
won it in two thousand and twelve, and now you're
talking about Biden losing potentially by eighteen.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
What this would represent to me?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
By the way, Obama won Iowa by fifteen points over
John McCain in two thousand and eight and by five
in twenty twelve over Mitt Romney. So you're talking about, Ay,
what is that thirty two point swing basically in from
two thousand and eight to twenty twenty four if her
(04:10):
numbers are accurate right now, and some of you can say, okay, well,
Trump's gonna win Iowa. We knew that Trump won Iowa
by eight as I mentioned in twenty twenty. What stands
out to me about this buck is there are a
lot of polls now that have Trump running about ten
points better in their state than he did in twenty twenty.
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Virginia dead even Biden one by ten. New York now
single digits, where a state that Biden won by about
twenty three, Minnesota very close. My point on this is,
if Trump is going to win Iowa by eighteen, he's
not gonna lose Wisconsin, He's not going to lose Michigan,
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and he's not gonna lose Pennsylvania if that hit this
pole is accurate. Here's here's how I I think of
the race these days. You know, if this were a marathon,
Trump is way out ahead. It's you know, mile eighteen
or something. I mean, it's deep into this and unless
somebody runs into the course and like pushes him to
(05:19):
the ground or he you know, gets a stress fracture
in his foot. I'm talking, you know about the marathon
analogy here. Unless something crazy happens, this is heading for
a Trump win. But we can't rule out the crazy
happening because of what is what's been going on. I mean,
if someone has said to you in twenty nineteen, Donald
Trump is going to have a booming economy, everything's amazing.
(05:41):
We're not at war, No Russia in Ukraine, none of
this stuff you see happening right now in the Middle
East with the you know, the enemies of Israel just
doing everything they can to destabilize the region. But that
there'd be a global pandemic that actually was greatly exaggerated
and entirely mismanaged by the health authorities, and there'd be
(06:02):
a series of race riots all summer, and that Donald
Trump would would not end up being the president afterwards,
you would have sounded crazy. I just think that we
have to leave room for crazy. I mean, we have
to remember there's this very real possibly, It's not just
a possibility. Cyclically things. The twenty sixteen election was a
mind blowing shock to certainly the elites and the so
(06:22):
called intelligentsia. The twenty twenty, I think was a shock
to the American people and to the whole world because
of COVID and this time around Clay. I just think
that the Rumsfeld the unknown unknown is what is is
what is the concern here because I'm at a point
now where I cannot think of what they would do
(06:43):
that would be kind of normal order of business, standard
operating procedure, even for Democrats, which means a lot of
dirty tricks and a lot of things that I would expect.
I can't anticipate what the thing would be that would
change this the old thing that I can see. Okay,
I know there's a theory about their placement, and I'm
not I'm not sitting here saying that can happen. I'm
(07:05):
just thinking I don't think it's gonna happen. I mean,
you know, anything is possible. I do think that the
debate is what they're this is going to be the
highest stakes presidential debate in memory, because I think it
can either be the beginning of a new trend for Biden,
or it could be they need to do something crazy
(07:27):
to figure this out.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
So that's that's how I'm seeing it. Because the Iowa numbers.
Nobody who follows politics Clay can dismiss those Iowa numbers.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Nobody. No one's gonna say, oh, that's a bad poll
or I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
That those numbers are catastrophic for Biden in a state
that has real implications for the Democrat strategy, which is
to win the rust belt states. Not only that, to
your point, I even think the poll, I mean, sorry,
the debate next week next Thursday.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
For Biden.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
The problem that Biden has is, even if they shoot
him up with every drug known to man, and he
goes out there and he performs on a somewhat decent level,
that's what he did at the State of the Union,
and then there's going to be some campaigning situation. They
can't hide him in the basement in the same way
(08:18):
that they did before, whether it's Obama having to lead
him off the stage, whether it's at the Juneteenth celebration
just seeming to kind of have a catatonic moment, whether
it was at the G seven where at times it
appears that he loses his train of thought as to
where he is.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
That to me, is the problem for him.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Even if they shoot him up with everything and he
does Okay, June twenty seventh, there's going to be a
viral video of him somewhere on the campaign trail within
the next ten days that completely contradicts whatever we see
on June twenty seventh. And that's a best case scenario.
He could also freeze up like he did at the
(09:00):
Juneteenth celebration and like he did at the Obama big
fundraiser out in LA.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
That could happen for him again. And what do you.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Say at that point in time and all of this
rolls in together, Buck, I want to play this audio
for you of CNN. This is the other thing we've
been talking about Black voters under the age of fifty,
That is, younger Black voters, particularly men, are breaking away
from Joe Biden right now in numbers that stagger even CNN.
(09:32):
I believe this is Harry Inton on CNN taught with
Jim Acosta of all people, talking about the numbers and
how very strong they are for Trump and bad they
are for Biden among Black voters. Listen to cut one.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Look at Black voters under the age of fifty. Holy
cow folks, holy col look at us. Joe Biden was
up by eighty points among this group. Back at this
point in twenty twenty. Look at where that margin haskreem
down towards it's now, let's get this thirty seven points.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
That lead has dropped by more than half. Mister Berman home.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I just never seen anything like this. I'm like speechless
because you always look at history and you go, Okay,
this is a historic moment. If this polling is anywhere
near correct, we are looking at an historic moment right
now where Black voters under the age of fifty, which
have historically been such a big part of the Democratic coalition,
are leaving it in droves.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I think this is real, and I know we've got
a bet about this, But older black voters, if you
grew up in the civil rights movement, you're still connected
to the Democrat Party. I think younger black voters twenties, thirties, forties, fifties,
they don't have that same allegiance under the age of fifty. Well,
there's a couple things happening. Number one is in that bet.
I will admit like I truly don't believe that Biden
(10:48):
is going to be replaced. And that's why I bet
that way the younger blackmail voter bet. We have I'm
emotionally hedging because I would love for that to be
the case, for them to believe it could happen, because
you refused to believe it could happen, because I kind
of I've been let down on this one too many
times where it's all, well, not with Romney, but you know,
last time around with Trump, we thought maybe we're gonna
(11:09):
get more of the black vote. So anyway, but so
that's that's emotional hedging. Here's what I think is going
on with the young blackmail voters as shown in the
polls right now. One thing is the illegal immigrant situation
I truly believe is resonating within the black community. Or remember,
you have a lot of illegals who are showing up
(11:30):
in communities where they'll be already a high minority population.
I'm not talking about the ones in the hotels in Midtown,
just broadly speaking, when you have eight million illegals in
four years, they're not going to be in the in
the ritzy neighborhoods, right, They're gonna generally be congregating in
ethnic enclaves and in places where there's a higher minority distribution.
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And the Democrat Party if you just had to make
an honest calculation right now, has Joe bied in for
the last four years and the Democrats overall, have they
focused more.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
On illegals from all over the world who just got here.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
And I mean in terms of resources, I mean in
terms of you know, time on TV talking about or
young black men trying to build their careers, make their
way up the economic ladder, create some stability financially, and
you know, a future for themselves. I think the answer
is obvious. I think the answer is obvious even to
Black Democrats who absolutely hate Trump, and that's where you're starting.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
To see some of them. Peel Off, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
The allegiance of the older black voters is I would
I would assume, I would analyze overwhelmingly the the sort
of narrative and the goodwill built up over a long
time of Oh, Democrats are the party of civil rights,
even though it's not really true, but put that aside.
You know, Democrats are the party of the quote great
society and the massive wealth transfer of the welfare state
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for the last sixty years or so. So that's where
I think that comes from. But you got to think,
if you're a younger male voter, who's a black guy.
You're hearing a lot of anti masculine, anti masculinity stuff
which just doesn't resonate. That seems very strange. You're hearing
a lot of interest and effort from the Democrats to
put up illegals and hotels and get them work permits
(13:16):
and get them and your wages are getting crushed by
all the spending the people who are Inflation is a
tax that disproportionately affects those who don't have assets, which
means people paid by the hour, and a lot of
young black men working hourly wage jobs. I've got to
be looking what's going on saying. I mean another you
(13:39):
see with Ukraine, they just they're talking about how much
money they need over the next ten years.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I know people gave me heat for it.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I said on this show in twenty twenty two, right, yeah,
twenty twenty two. I was like, it's going to cost
a trillion dollars what they're going to do in Ukraine.
Now it's guaranteed to cost a trillion dollars the tax
payer money.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
And you know you talk about.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
The the fast food cost, the fast food wage is
even more hurt by all this, so that this is why.
I think it's not just oh, Trump is like a
charismatic guy and you that I think wasn't necessarily. I
think it's the illegals, plus the lack of economic progress,
plus the inflationary pressure. People just realize they're paying more
(14:20):
for stuff all the time, and that's why I think
there's an opening.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
And also I would just close it up by saying,
on this perspective, Biden so sold a bill of goods
to people. He said things will get better, things will
get more normal. People don't believe that anymore. So in
twenty twenty, people might have bought into the anti Trump argument.
That's ultimately why I think they may pull the ripcord here,
(14:44):
because they could still run the anti Trump playbook if
they didn't have an incumbent, because then it's like, oh,
you've got an uncertain outcome with the new president, or
you've got Trump who you don't like.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Again.
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of the United States. Possibly we shall discuss that with
the good doctor. But first I just wanted to note
Biden was at this la glitzy la fundraiser. Notice how
he takes a moment to attack the Supreme Court cut five.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
The Supreme Court has never been as out of kilder
as it is today.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I mean never.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
The fact of the matter is that this has never
been a court this this far out of STEMP.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I just say, Clay, we know why he's doing it,
because they're about to say that there is some presidential immunity,
which is a blow to the J six case against Trump.
But also, could you imagine if Trump were president and
he was at a fundraiser and he was crashing the
Supreme Court. I mean, I'm not saying he wouldn't do it.
I'm just saying the response from the media would be
(17:22):
the threat to democracy. Grooms. Well, I mean, Biden says,
you can't even criticize a jury verdict because to do
so is to delegitimize the process of the judiciary completely.
I would argue attacking the Supreme Court, which is far
more significant than a random jury composition. Is if you're
going to talk about direct attacks upon the judicial system,
(17:43):
the one against the Supreme court's far more serious. And
I think it's important to understand what's being laid the
ground for here, and that is to clearly expand the
Supreme Court and add justices.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
If Biden were to win re election.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
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out with us. We're set to be joined here in
a little bit by doctor Ben Carson, will potentially alert
(19:02):
you when he hops on with us. Bud Buck, I
wanted to mention I'm down in Atlanta right now. I'm
gonna be down here Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and I've been
watching a lot of sports on television. Father's Day weekend,
a lot of time with the kids. Went watch the
Atlanta Braves play. That's what we're down here for. My
(19:22):
kids are big Braves fans. But I am seeing a
monster amount of ads on Georgia local television, and some
of you may be like me that even though we're
sitting about four and a half months out from the election,
I'm not seeing a lot of television ads in general.
(19:44):
I want to tell you about some of those ads
that are running, and we'll discuss them in a moment.
But right now, doctor Ben Carson is with US retired neurosurgeon,
former HUD secretary under trump new book, The Perilous Fight,
Overcoming Our Culture's War on the American Family. Doctor Carson,
appreciate you joining us. We were just playing a pole
(20:04):
that discussed the increasing amount of support, especially among young
black voters, that is out there for Donald Trump. You
travel the country a great deal talking to people, and
you have for years.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Do you see that?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Do you think black voters are more open to Trump
than they were in sixteen or twenty. What are you
seeing out on your travels and your discussions.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Yeah, there's a big difference between the previous times because
they've had an echo chance to see what he does.
You know, he actually does what he says. He's unlike
most politicians, and he's transparent. You never have to sit
there and wonder what he's thinking. He's going to tell
you what he's thinking. And I think people appreciate that.
(20:49):
They've also seen the impact of his policies. You know,
the average American had a way each gain of eight
point two percent during the Trump administration and a three
point two percent decrease under Biden. That's a big swing.
(21:11):
And people feel that when they go to the gas plump,
when they open their utility bills, you know, when they
go to the grocery stores. And I think people recognize
now it's becomes patently obvious that the media is very
biased and will say whatever they need to say in
order to support their ideology and their candidate, as opposed
(21:34):
to providing the truth. So people are discounting a lot
of what they took as gospel before.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Doctor Carson, appreciate you being with us. You, I'm sure
know that there is a chatter out there reporting sources
close to the former president on this issue that you
are in contention for the vice president role on a
Trump ticket. Can you just tell us have you had
(22:02):
any conversations with President Trump about this, and whether you
have or not, would you be ready to serve in
the role of VP if called upon.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
I've had that conversation, was talked about what we can
do to save this country, and I am four square
committed to doing that from within the administration or outside
of the administration. But I continue to be dedicated to
that one way or the other.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
We're talking to doctor Ben Carson in your telling, I
know you've got grandchildren. Now, when you look at the
history of the country, are you more optimistic today or
pessimistic based on the way you see things going?
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Well, I'm optimistic when you just look at the facts.
You know, there's some pessimism when you look at all
the spent you know, for instance, a lot of people
on the left like to tell you we haven't made
much progress in terms of race relationships. And yet you know,
I vividly remember as a six year old going to Chattanooga, Tennessee,
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and seeing the whites and colored signs and having people
explain that to me. And yet in the very same lifetime,
we've got black admirals and generals and CEOs of fortune,
five hundred companies and hits, the foundations, university presidents, We've
had a black President of United States. I mean, to
sit there and say that we haven't made tremendous progress
(23:30):
is absolutely asinine. But some people do that. They just
have blinders on and they they think if they keep
repeating something that people will come to believe that we've
made enormous progress. It doesn't mean that we've reached nirvana.
We haven't. We have ways to go. But the way
we do that is that we learn from things that
(23:53):
have occurred in the past. We don't try to bury them,
we don't try to rewrite them. We learn from them good,
bad and ugly. But the fact of the matter is,
when it comes to that states, there's a lot more
good than there is bad and ugly.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Talking to doctor Ben Carson, he's got a new book,
The Perilous Fight, Overcoming Our Culture's War on the American Family,
Doctor Carson, what do you think is the most important
thing that could be done as a policy matter. I mean,
certainly there's just community. There's church, there's there's a synagogue.
There's so many aspects to the way that we can
(24:27):
have a family focused future here in this country. But
what do you think from policy level, could be done
differently or could be done to help family formation? Because
there is clearly a crisis of family in America today.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Well, there's no question when you look at family formation.
The average birth per woman is down to one point
six now it requires two point one in order to
maintain the population. So that's a real issue. But I
think policy wise, we need to firmly put in place
(25:03):
something about voting. Voting can only occur if you're an
American citizen, because if we don't get that firmly in place,
there's going to be some major problems coming down the pank.
Here with all these people who've implicated our country.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
We're talking to doctor Ben Carson, building on what Buck
just said. Yesterday was Father's Day. Having Father's Day to you,
and as I've said, all the dads out there, if
you look at the data, starting about the time that
Lynda Johnson began the Great Society, the percentage of fathers
inside of homes, that is, two parent households has collapsed.
It collapsed for white, Black, Asian, and Hispanic families if
(25:45):
you look at the data, but particularly for black families.
How does that get addressed and how can we talk
about the importance of dads being in the home and
what they mean for kids to help to reverse not
only as you just pointed out, every woman only having
one point six kids. We've got a real population crisis
everywhere Japan, China, United States, Italy. It doesn't really matter
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the country, but dad's not being present in households has
a devastating impact on individual kid outcomes.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
What do we do to address that?
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Well, first of all, we acknowledge it. You know, the
liberal think tanks and the conservative thing tanks both come
to the same conclusion, and that is children raised in
the traditional nuclear parent family do much better on every
level career, academics, trouble with police, mental status, everything. So
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we should first of all acknowledge that, and then don't
ignore that when it comes to the kinds of things
that we do in our society, kinds of rules that
we make, the policies that we have. You know, I
think about you know, when I was at HUD you know,
there's a policy that if you're receiving government assistance and
(27:06):
your income goes up, you have to report that immediately
so your rent can go up. That's not a big
incentive to improve yourself. You bring somebody else into the
household with an income, you have to report that so
that your rent can go up. You know, that's not
something that's going to increase family formation. So, you know,
(27:28):
we need to actually make our policies congruent with what
we know to be facts and do things based on
facts and not ideology. That would make a huge difference.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Doctor Ben Carson. The book is the perilous fight overcoming
our culture's war on the American family. Doctor Carson, always
an honor sor. Thanks for spending some time with us today.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Thanks for having me take care.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
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Buck podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you
get your podcasts.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. I can't believe
it's already a third hour of the show on this Monday.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Just a little heads up, we uh, we will have
Clay out on Wednesday and Thursday this weekend. I will
be out on Friday, so we're gonna be doing a
little bit of change up Clay.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
You're gonna be hanging out with the fam. Is that right?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
What you mean?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I am going the Braves have a game on Wednesday
afternoon and then and this could be a disaster. You
remember a couple of years ago when I played in
the live pro am up at Bedminster and we traveled
and we had Trump on from Bedminster.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Oh, I am playing in the Live Golf pro am.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Shout out to Bryson Deshamba, by the way, who won
the US Open yesterday in an epic down the stretch
battle with Rory McElroy. He'll be at this tournament in Nashville,
So Thursday, I will be on the golf course all
day with a couple of pro golfers. And if you're
going to be at this event, just keep your head
on a swivel for every one of my shots, because
(30:09):
you know it's it's going to be a I am
not a pro. So that's where I'll be on Wednesday
and Thursday, and then you're out Friday Monday. We'll still
all be here hanging out. But it's summer, so there'll
be some moving parts during the course of the summer
as we take different to different days off with the
family and run around. Yeah, so I just want to
give you, give you that heads up on it, and
(30:32):
let me see what else do we have here coming
up to the third I we'll go back and look
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Speaker 3 (30:56):
The Resistance two point zero.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I think this is, uh, this was an inevitable but
it's still very interesting to read about it, and it
is the way that democrats and I think we're hearing
about it in some ways right now. From the New
York Times, which is the still if you're talking about print,
you know, I say that Morning Joe is the cable
(31:18):
news mothership of the Biden campaign. New York Times is
the prince mothership. The Washington Post is kind of they're
going through problems. They've lost a step. Everyone's realized, no one,
they've lost fifty percent of their readership since Biden became president.
I mean, you know, usually you lose fifty percent of
your customer base and you go bankrupt.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
So they're lucky that it's the Bezos Post.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
But anyway, Clay the New York Times laying out how
they're going to do everything they can to jam up
the system Sawlolynski style. If Trump wins, with the hashtag
resistance two point zero, right, meaning what are states going
to do to stop Trump? What's the bureaucracy going to
(32:00):
do to stop Trump? And I mean I had friends
in the State Department, for example, when Trump won in
twenty sixteen, and I know fewer now because more and
more people I know get out of these places they're
talking about people in their offices were crying at their
desks when Trump won. Oh yeah, imagine. I can tell
you I have never cried over a presidential election. I've
been angry, I've been happy, but I've never cried over
(32:20):
a presidential election, and certainly not at work. Well, especially
when you have protection, it's sadly almost impossible to fire
anybody who is a federal employee. This is why anybody
in any four year term, even if you have the
absolute greatest ideas in the history of mankind and you're
(32:42):
going to try to put them in place, it's really
hard to get a bureaucracy moving. Basically, they are designed
not to do anything and keep their jobs. I mean,
that's the reality. And I personally think the best thing
that could happen for this country would be if seventy
five percent of all federal employees got fired tomorrow, I
don't think the government would really change in its overall
(33:04):
in its overall performance. In fact, if you told the
twenty five percent remaining, hey, if you can cover the
work that everybody else took, will double your salary. You
would still save a tremendous amount of money and you'd
have way more competence. And I think just about everybody
could pull that off. And I think that's true for
a lot of for profit companies too. I think inertia
(33:25):
and bureaucracy ultimately pulls down many different groups, whether it's
government or for profit industries. But this is crazy the
degree to which they were convinced. And I think we
can talk about this some in the third hour. Even
smart people like I was reading over the weekend, some
of the guys involved at Sequoia Bill Ackman, they bought
(33:45):
into the idea that the Very Fine People hoax was real.
They think Trump is Hitler because the media has convinced them.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
So, you know, my older brother is somebody who listens
to some of the He's always been connected with, interested
in the in the Tech World a bit, and uh,
he told me, he's like, you got to listen to
the most recent This All In podcast. Yes, because there
were these guys like David Sachs I think, who's now
(34:13):
pretty clearly pro Trump.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
He's one of these.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
There's all these guys that maybe you know, maybe you don't,
from Silicon Valley who are worth like being worth four
hundred million dollars in Silicon Valley is you know, if.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
You're not a billionaire, you it's hard to even get noticed.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, like I mean being worth like hundreds of millions,
which is obscene. Well, but anyway, they got all these
super rich guys who are on this podcast, and they're
they're generally I would say, I've listened in a little bit.
I have very little time to listen to anyone's podcast
because I'm always preparing for this one. But I listened
a little bit because Mason said, You've got it is
the most the funniest Trump thing.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
You've got to listen.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
So u Chamath I can't pronounce his last name, but
he's one of the guys on this and he's remarried
and apparently he's married a very attractive like twenty years
younger than him woman. And so they're at this they're
at this U fundraiser, right, They're at the fundraiser for
David at David Sachs's house for Trump. And Trump walks
(35:06):
up to Tremathe and his wife and Tamatte.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
It's not like it. He's like a super handsome guy.
I'm not I'm not gonna look normal, normal looking guy.
I'm normal looking guy.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I'm not I'm not casting a spersions or a casting
you know, throwing stones. I'm just saying he's a normal
looking guy. Okay, normal looking guy. And and Trump walks
up them and says, oh, look at this beautiful couple.
And then this is traumatthe telling this story. And then
he pulls Roam out the side. He's like, you must
be really rich. And I'm just like, that is the
(35:37):
most Trump. And then he got off and he was
making jokes. Apparently the the Winklevoss twins were there, and
he's like, I know you actually did Facebook.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
You actually are the inventors of Facebook. You made it happen.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
But you know you look like male models, so you
didn't lose much in life. You look good kids, you know,
like he's just he's so Trump.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
And the big takeaway there was I went and listened
to this too, said what you and I have been saying,
because we've had the good fortune to meet Trump face
to face a bunch. He said, you know what, he's
actually just kind of a nice guy who is very
likable and good one on one. He's great in the
room and all of those big tech guys and I
(36:19):
think we should talk about it some in the third
hour as well. All those big tech guys are super busy.
They're trying to reinvent the world. They're again, as you
pointed out, hundreds of millions and billions of dollars. A
lot of them bought into the hype around oh Trump's
a Nazi. Oh Trump is saying Nazis are great people.
And now they're going back and it feels to me
(36:40):
Buck a little bit like they're getting red pilled. But
they're several years behind a lot of the rest of
us because they bought many of those lies and now
they're rejecting them.
Welcome in, Clay, Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us on this fantastic Monday as
we roll closer and closer to next week's debate, and
I would say things continue to look bad for Joe
Biden out there in the polling marketplace, but also just
(00:24):
the discussion marketplace that is so much of the public perception.
Let me give you a couple of data points out there.
Number one, and I want to unpack this with you
a little bit here, Buck, the Iowa poll that we
reference that's done by the Des Moines Register by this
sort of pole wizard, has Donald Trump up eighteen points. Reminder,
(00:48):
Trump won Iowa by eight in twenty twenty. I want
to talk a bit about that with you. Also, there
is an economist sort of running tally on what they
expect to see from the election. Joe Biden now is
down to Donald Trump in the probability they that he
(01:08):
will win the election seventy two to twenty eight. The
economist is not a partisan news outlet, so to speak.
It's very obviously as you would expect business, not a
Trump partisan news outlet, that's for sure. Yes, And for
Trump to have opened in their tally, which looks at polling,
which looks at economic indicators. For him to have opened
(01:31):
a seventy two to twenty eight lead is pretty seismic.
So Buck, I want to hit you with this. I
went back and I looked, and I said, Okay, let's
have an actual conversation about the data, not only in Iowa,
but how it has traditionally trended. And you mentioned earlier
in the first hour Trump up eighteen fifty to thirty
(01:52):
two nine for RFK junior, Joe Biden's approval down to
twenty eight percent. This is the demo Register and Seltzer
poll that she has been doing for years and years.
And to put this into context, a couple of different
points here that I think are very significant. First of all,
(02:12):
Ann Seltzer's been doing these des Moines Register polls for
a long time. Do you remember Buck in twenty twenty
in the fall, when she went from in June of
twenty twenty, so four years ago, Trump was up one.
She had Trump up one in Iowa this time in
the four year news cycle, that's June of twenty twenty
(02:33):
September of twenty twenty, she had a dead tie In
her last poll that she put out, she had Trump
up seven. He went on to win Iowa by about eight.
This was for many people, a wait a minute. Twenty
twenty is going to be closer than many people anticipate
(02:53):
because Ann Seltzer has such a reputation for nailing what
happens in Iowa. But I wanted to hit you with
a couple of data points here. So she had Trump
winning by seven in her final poll. He wins by eight.
In twenty twenty, she has Trump up eighteen right now.
This time in twenty twenty against Biden, she had Trump
(03:16):
up one, and she has continued to have Trump continuing
to pull away away a bit in her overall tally.
But Iowa to me is a really interesting snapshot buck
for this reason because if you go back Barack Obama
won Iowa in twenty two one thousand and eight, he
(03:36):
won it in two thousand and twelve, and now you're
talking about Biden losing potentially by eighteen.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
What this would represent to me?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
By the way, Obama won Iowa by fifteen points over
John McCain in two thousand and eight and by five
in twenty twelve over Mitt Romney. So you're talking about, Ay,
what is that thirty two point swing basically in from
two thousand and eight to twenty twenty four if her
(04:10):
numbers are accurate right now, and some of you can say, okay, well,
Trump's gonna win Iowa. We knew that Trump won Iowa
by eight as I mentioned in twenty twenty. What stands
out to me about this buck is there are a
lot of polls now that have Trump running about ten
points better in their state than he did in twenty twenty.
(04:33):
Virginia dead even Biden one by ten. New York now
single digits, where a state that Biden won by about
twenty three, Minnesota very close. My point on this is,
if Trump is going to win Iowa by eighteen, he's
not gonna lose Wisconsin, He's not going to lose Michigan,
(04:55):
and he's not gonna lose Pennsylvania if that hit this
pole is accurate. Here's here's how I I think of
the race these days. You know, if this were a marathon,
Trump is way out ahead. It's you know, mile eighteen
or something. I mean, it's deep into this and unless
somebody runs into the course and like pushes him to
(05:19):
the ground or he you know, gets a stress fracture
in his foot. I'm talking, you know about the marathon
analogy here. Unless something crazy happens, this is heading for
a Trump win. But we can't rule out the crazy
happening because of what is what's been going on. I mean,
if someone has said to you in twenty nineteen, Donald
Trump is going to have a booming economy, everything's amazing.
(05:41):
We're not at war, No Russia in Ukraine, none of
this stuff you see happening right now in the Middle
East with the you know, the enemies of Israel just
doing everything they can to destabilize the region. But that
there'd be a global pandemic that actually was greatly exaggerated
and entirely mismanaged by the health authorities, and there'd be
(06:02):
a series of race riots all summer, and that Donald
Trump would would not end up being the president afterwards,
you would have sounded crazy. I just think that we
have to leave room for crazy. I mean, we have
to remember there's this very real possibly, It's not just
a possibility. Cyclically things. The twenty sixteen election was a
mind blowing shock to certainly the elites and the so
(06:22):
called intelligentsia. The twenty twenty, I think was a shock
to the American people and to the whole world because
of COVID and this time around Clay. I just think
that the Rumsfeld the unknown unknown is what is is
what is the concern here because I'm at a point
now where I cannot think of what they would do
(06:43):
that would be kind of normal order of business, standard
operating procedure, even for Democrats, which means a lot of
dirty tricks and a lot of things that I would expect.
I can't anticipate what the thing would be that would
change this the old thing that I can see. Okay,
I know there's a theory about their placement, and I'm
not I'm not sitting here saying that can happen. I'm
(07:05):
just thinking I don't think it's gonna happen. I mean,
you know, anything is possible. I do think that the
debate is what they're this is going to be the
highest stakes presidential debate in memory, because I think it
can either be the beginning of a new trend for Biden,
or it could be they need to do something crazy
(07:27):
to figure this out.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
So that's that's how I'm seeing it. Because the Iowa numbers.
Nobody who follows politics Clay can dismiss those Iowa numbers.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Nobody. No one's gonna say, oh, that's a bad poll
or I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
That those numbers are catastrophic for Biden in a state
that has real implications for the Democrat strategy, which is
to win the rust belt states. Not only that, to
your point, I even think the poll, I mean, sorry,
the debate next week next Thursday.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
For Biden.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
The problem that Biden has is, even if they shoot
him up with every drug known to man, and he
goes out there and he performs on a somewhat decent level,
that's what he did at the State of the Union,
and then there's going to be some campaigning situation. They
can't hide him in the basement in the same way
(08:18):
that they did before, whether it's Obama having to lead
him off the stage, whether it's at the Juneteenth celebration
just seeming to kind of have a catatonic moment, whether
it was at the G seven where at times it
appears that he loses his train of thought as to
where he is.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
That to me, is the problem for him.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Even if they shoot him up with everything and he
does Okay, June twenty seventh, there's going to be a
viral video of him somewhere on the campaign trail within
the next ten days that completely contradicts whatever we see
on June twenty seventh. And that's a best case scenario.
He could also freeze up like he did at the
(09:00):
Juneteenth celebration and like he did at the Obama big
fundraiser out in LA.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
That could happen for him again. And what do you.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Say at that point in time and all of this
rolls in together, Buck, I want to play this audio
for you of CNN. This is the other thing we've
been talking about Black voters under the age of fifty,
That is, younger Black voters, particularly men, are breaking away
from Joe Biden right now in numbers that stagger even CNN.
(09:32):
I believe this is Harry Inton on CNN taught with
Jim Acosta of all people, talking about the numbers and
how very strong they are for Trump and bad they
are for Biden among Black voters. Listen to cut one.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Look at Black voters under the age of fifty. Holy
cow folks, holy col look at us. Joe Biden was
up by eighty points among this group. Back at this
point in twenty twenty. Look at where that margin haskreem
down towards it's now, let's get this thirty seven points.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
That lead has dropped by more than half. Mister Berman home.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I just never seen anything like this. I'm like speechless
because you always look at history and you go, Okay,
this is a historic moment. If this polling is anywhere
near correct, we are looking at an historic moment right
now where Black voters under the age of fifty, which
have historically been such a big part of the Democratic coalition,
are leaving it in droves.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I think this is real, and I know we've got
a bet about this, But older black voters, if you
grew up in the civil rights movement, you're still connected
to the Democrat Party. I think younger black voters twenties, thirties, forties, fifties,
they don't have that same allegiance under the age of fifty. Well,
there's a couple things happening. Number one is in that bet.
I will admit like I truly don't believe that Biden
(10:48):
is going to be replaced. And that's why I bet
that way the younger blackmail voter bet. We have I'm
emotionally hedging because I would love for that to be
the case, for them to believe it could happen, because
you refused to believe it could happen, because I kind
of I've been let down on this one too many
times where it's all, well, not with Romney, but you know,
last time around with Trump, we thought maybe we're gonna
(11:09):
get more of the black vote. So anyway, but so
that's that's emotional hedging. Here's what I think is going
on with the young blackmail voters as shown in the
polls right now. One thing is the illegal immigrant situation
I truly believe is resonating within the black community. Or remember,
you have a lot of illegals who are showing up
(11:30):
in communities where they'll be already a high minority population.
I'm not talking about the ones in the hotels in Midtown,
just broadly speaking, when you have eight million illegals in
four years, they're not going to be in the in
the ritzy neighborhoods, right, They're gonna generally be congregating in
ethnic enclaves and in places where there's a higher minority distribution.
(11:51):
And the Democrat Party if you just had to make
an honest calculation right now, has Joe bied in for
the last four years and the Democrats overall, have they
focused more.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
On illegals from all over the world who just got here.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
And I mean in terms of resources, I mean in
terms of you know, time on TV talking about or
young black men trying to build their careers, make their
way up the economic ladder, create some stability financially, and
you know, a future for themselves. I think the answer
is obvious. I think the answer is obvious even to
Black Democrats who absolutely hate Trump, and that's where you're starting.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
To see some of them. Peel Off, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
The allegiance of the older black voters is I would
I would assume, I would analyze overwhelmingly the the sort
of narrative and the goodwill built up over a long
time of Oh, Democrats are the party of civil rights,
even though it's not really true, but put that aside.
You know, Democrats are the party of the quote great
society and the massive wealth transfer of the welfare state
(12:53):
for the last sixty years or so. So that's where
I think that comes from. But you got to think,
if you're a younger male voter, who's a black guy.
You're hearing a lot of anti masculine, anti masculinity stuff
which just doesn't resonate. That seems very strange. You're hearing
a lot of interest and effort from the Democrats to
put up illegals and hotels and get them work permits
(13:16):
and get them and your wages are getting crushed by
all the spending the people who are Inflation is a
tax that disproportionately affects those who don't have assets, which
means people paid by the hour, and a lot of
young black men working hourly wage jobs. I've got to
be looking what's going on saying. I mean another you
(13:39):
see with Ukraine, they just they're talking about how much
money they need over the next ten years.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I know people gave me heat for it.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I said on this show in twenty twenty two, right, yeah,
twenty twenty two. I was like, it's going to cost
a trillion dollars what they're going to do in Ukraine.
Now it's guaranteed to cost a trillion dollars the tax
payer money.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
And you know you talk about.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
The the fast food cost, the fast food wage is
even more hurt by all this, so that this is why.
I think it's not just oh, Trump is like a
charismatic guy and you that I think wasn't necessarily. I
think it's the illegals, plus the lack of economic progress,
plus the inflationary pressure. People just realize they're paying more
(14:20):
for stuff all the time, and that's why I think
there's an opening.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
And also I would just close it up by saying,
on this perspective, Biden so sold a bill of goods
to people. He said things will get better, things will
get more normal. People don't believe that anymore. So in
twenty twenty, people might have bought into the anti Trump argument.
That's ultimately why I think they may pull the ripcord here,
(14:44):
because they could still run the anti Trump playbook if
they didn't have an incumbent, because then it's like, oh,
you've got an uncertain outcome with the new president, or
you've got Trump who you don't like.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Again.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
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Podcasts come back in. You know, we're talking to doctor
Ben Carson in just a few minutes here about everything
going on, including Missy going to be the vice president
of the United States. Possibly we shall discuss that with
the good doctor. But first I just wanted to note
Biden was at this la glitzy la fundraiser. Notice how
he takes a moment to attack the Supreme Court cut five.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
The Supreme Court has never been as out of kilder
as it is today.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I mean never.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
The fact of the matter is that this has never
been a court this this far out of STEMP.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I just say, Clay, we know why he's doing it,
because they're about to say that there is some presidential immunity,
which is a blow to the J six case against Trump.
But also, could you imagine if Trump were president and
he was at a fundraiser and he was crashing the
Supreme Court. I mean, I'm not saying he wouldn't do it.
I'm just saying the response from the media would be
(17:22):
the threat to democracy. Grooms. Well, I mean, Biden says,
you can't even criticize a jury verdict because to do
so is to delegitimize the process of the judiciary completely.
I would argue attacking the Supreme Court, which is far
more significant than a random jury composition. Is if you're
going to talk about direct attacks upon the judicial system,
(17:43):
the one against the Supreme court's far more serious. And
I think it's important to understand what's being laid the
ground for here, and that is to clearly expand the
Supreme Court and add justices.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
If Biden were to win re election.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Come back here with doctor Carson in just a moment.
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(18:18):
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(19:02):
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wanted to mention I'm down in Atlanta right now. I'm
gonna be down here Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and I've been
watching a lot of sports on television. Father's Day weekend,
a lot of time with the kids. Went watch the
Atlanta Braves play. That's what we're down here for. My
(19:22):
kids are big Braves fans. But I am seeing a
monster amount of ads on Georgia local television, and some
of you may be like me that even though we're
sitting about four and a half months out from the election,
I'm not seeing a lot of television ads in general.
(19:44):
I want to tell you about some of those ads
that are running, and we'll discuss them in a moment.
But right now, doctor Ben Carson is with US retired neurosurgeon,
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appreciate you joining us. We were just playing a pole
(20:04):
that discussed the increasing amount of support, especially among young
black voters, that is out there for Donald Trump. You
travel the country a great deal talking to people, and
you have for years.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Do you see that?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Do you think black voters are more open to Trump
than they were in sixteen or twenty. What are you
seeing out on your travels and your discussions.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Yeah, there's a big difference between the previous times because
they've had an echo chance to see what he does.
You know, he actually does what he says. He's unlike
most politicians, and he's transparent. You never have to sit
there and wonder what he's thinking. He's going to tell
you what he's thinking. And I think people appreciate that.
(20:49):
They've also seen the impact of his policies. You know,
the average American had a way each gain of eight
point two percent during the Trump administration and a three
point two percent decrease under Biden. That's a big swing.
(21:11):
And people feel that when they go to the gas plump,
when they open their utility bills, you know, when they
go to the grocery stores. And I think people recognize
now it's becomes patently obvious that the media is very
biased and will say whatever they need to say in
order to support their ideology and their candidate, as opposed
(21:34):
to providing the truth. So people are discounting a lot
of what they took as gospel before.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Doctor Carson, appreciate you being with us. You, I'm sure
know that there is a chatter out there reporting sources
close to the former president on this issue that you
are in contention for the vice president role on a
Trump ticket. Can you just tell us have you had
(22:02):
any conversations with President Trump about this, and whether you
have or not, would you be ready to serve in
the role of VP if called upon.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
I've had that conversation, was talked about what we can
do to save this country, and I am four square
committed to doing that from within the administration or outside
of the administration. But I continue to be dedicated to
that one way or the other.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
We're talking to doctor Ben Carson in your telling, I
know you've got grandchildren. Now, when you look at the
history of the country, are you more optimistic today or
pessimistic based on the way you see things going?
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Well, I'm optimistic when you just look at the facts.
You know, there's some pessimism when you look at all
the spent you know, for instance, a lot of people
on the left like to tell you we haven't made
much progress in terms of race relationships. And yet you know,
I vividly remember as a six year old going to Chattanooga, Tennessee,
(23:09):
and seeing the whites and colored signs and having people
explain that to me. And yet in the very same lifetime,
we've got black admirals and generals and CEOs of fortune,
five hundred companies and hits, the foundations, university presidents, We've
had a black President of United States. I mean, to
sit there and say that we haven't made tremendous progress
(23:30):
is absolutely asinine. But some people do that. They just
have blinders on and they they think if they keep
repeating something that people will come to believe that we've
made enormous progress. It doesn't mean that we've reached nirvana.
We haven't. We have ways to go. But the way
we do that is that we learn from things that
(23:53):
have occurred in the past. We don't try to bury them,
we don't try to rewrite them. We learn from them good,
bad and ugly. But the fact of the matter is,
when it comes to that states, there's a lot more
good than there is bad and ugly.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Talking to doctor Ben Carson, he's got a new book,
The Perilous Fight, Overcoming Our Culture's War on the American Family,
Doctor Carson, what do you think is the most important
thing that could be done as a policy matter. I mean,
certainly there's just community. There's church, there's there's a synagogue.
There's so many aspects to the way that we can
(24:27):
have a family focused future here in this country. But
what do you think from policy level, could be done
differently or could be done to help family formation? Because
there is clearly a crisis of family in America today.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Well, there's no question when you look at family formation.
The average birth per woman is down to one point
six now it requires two point one in order to
maintain the population. So that's a real issue. But I
think policy wise, we need to firmly put in place
(25:03):
something about voting. Voting can only occur if you're an
American citizen, because if we don't get that firmly in place,
there's going to be some major problems coming down the pank.
Here with all these people who've implicated our country.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
We're talking to doctor Ben Carson, building on what Buck
just said. Yesterday was Father's Day. Having Father's Day to you,
and as I've said, all the dads out there, if
you look at the data, starting about the time that
Lynda Johnson began the Great Society, the percentage of fathers
inside of homes, that is, two parent households has collapsed.
It collapsed for white, Black, Asian, and Hispanic families if
(25:45):
you look at the data, but particularly for black families.
How does that get addressed and how can we talk
about the importance of dads being in the home and
what they mean for kids to help to reverse not
only as you just pointed out, every woman only having
one point six kids. We've got a real population crisis
everywhere Japan, China, United States, Italy. It doesn't really matter
(26:07):
the country, but dad's not being present in households has
a devastating impact on individual kid outcomes.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
What do we do to address that?
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Well, first of all, we acknowledge it. You know, the
liberal think tanks and the conservative thing tanks both come
to the same conclusion, and that is children raised in
the traditional nuclear parent family do much better on every
level career, academics, trouble with police, mental status, everything. So
(26:44):
we should first of all acknowledge that, and then don't
ignore that when it comes to the kinds of things
that we do in our society, kinds of rules that
we make, the policies that we have. You know, I
think about you know, when I was at HUD you know,
there's a policy that if you're receiving government assistance and
(27:06):
your income goes up, you have to report that immediately
so your rent can go up. That's not a big
incentive to improve yourself. You bring somebody else into the
household with an income, you have to report that so
that your rent can go up. You know, that's not
something that's going to increase family formation. So, you know,
(27:28):
we need to actually make our policies congruent with what
we know to be facts and do things based on
facts and not ideology. That would make a huge difference.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Doctor Ben Carson. The book is the perilous fight overcoming
our culture's war on the American family. Doctor Carson, always
an honor sor. Thanks for spending some time with us today.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Thanks for having me take care.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
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Speaker 3 (29:07):
Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. I can't believe
it's already a third hour of the show on this Monday.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Just a little heads up, we uh, we will have
Clay out on Wednesday and Thursday this weekend. I will
be out on Friday, so we're gonna be doing a
little bit of change up Clay.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
You're gonna be hanging out with the fam. Is that right?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
What you mean?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I am going the Braves have a game on Wednesday
afternoon and then and this could be a disaster. You
remember a couple of years ago when I played in
the live pro am up at Bedminster and we traveled
and we had Trump on from Bedminster.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
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Speaker 1 (29:47):
Shout out to Bryson Deshamba, by the way, who won
the US Open yesterday in an epic down the stretch
battle with Rory McElroy. He'll be at this tournament in Nashville,
So Thursday, I will be on the golf course all
day with a couple of pro golfers. And if you're
going to be at this event, just keep your head
on a swivel for every one of my shots, because
(30:09):
you know it's it's going to be a I am
not a pro. So that's where I'll be on Wednesday
and Thursday, and then you're out Friday Monday. We'll still
all be here hanging out. But it's summer, so there'll
be some moving parts during the course of the summer
as we take different to different days off with the
family and run around. Yeah, so I just want to
give you, give you that heads up on it, and
(30:32):
let me see what else do we have here coming
up to the third I we'll go back and look
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Speaker 3 (30:56):
The Resistance two point zero.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I think this is, uh, this was an inevitable but
it's still very interesting to read about it, and it
is the way that democrats and I think we're hearing
about it in some ways right now. From the New
York Times, which is the still if you're talking about print,
you know, I say that Morning Joe is the cable
(31:18):
news mothership of the Biden campaign. New York Times is
the prince mothership. The Washington Post is kind of they're
going through problems. They've lost a step. Everyone's realized, no one,
they've lost fifty percent of their readership since Biden became president.
I mean, you know, usually you lose fifty percent of
your customer base and you go bankrupt.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
So they're lucky that it's the Bezos Post.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
But anyway, Clay the New York Times laying out how
they're going to do everything they can to jam up
the system Sawlolynski style. If Trump wins, with the hashtag
resistance two point zero, right, meaning what are states going
to do to stop Trump? What's the bureaucracy going to
(32:00):
do to stop Trump? And I mean I had friends
in the State Department, for example, when Trump won in
twenty sixteen, and I know fewer now because more and
more people I know get out of these places they're
talking about people in their offices were crying at their
desks when Trump won. Oh yeah, imagine. I can tell
you I have never cried over a presidential election. I've
been angry, I've been happy, but I've never cried over
(32:20):
a presidential election, and certainly not at work. Well, especially
when you have protection, it's sadly almost impossible to fire
anybody who is a federal employee. This is why anybody
in any four year term, even if you have the
absolute greatest ideas in the history of mankind and you're
(32:42):
going to try to put them in place, it's really
hard to get a bureaucracy moving. Basically, they are designed
not to do anything and keep their jobs. I mean,
that's the reality. And I personally think the best thing
that could happen for this country would be if seventy
five percent of all federal employees got fired tomorrow, I
don't think the government would really change in its overall
(33:04):
in its overall performance. In fact, if you told the
twenty five percent remaining, hey, if you can cover the
work that everybody else took, will double your salary. You
would still save a tremendous amount of money and you'd
have way more competence. And I think just about everybody
could pull that off. And I think that's true for
a lot of for profit companies too. I think inertia
(33:25):
and bureaucracy ultimately pulls down many different groups, whether it's
government or for profit industries. But this is crazy the
degree to which they were convinced. And I think we
can talk about this some in the third hour. Even
smart people like I was reading over the weekend, some
of the guys involved at Sequoia Bill Ackman, they bought
(33:45):
into the idea that the Very Fine People hoax was real.
They think Trump is Hitler because the media has convinced them.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
So, you know, my older brother is somebody who listens
to some of the He's always been connected with, interested
in the in the Tech World a bit, and uh,
he told me, he's like, you got to listen to
the most recent This All In podcast. Yes, because there
were these guys like David Sachs I think, who's now
(34:13):
pretty clearly pro Trump.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
He's one of these.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
There's all these guys that maybe you know, maybe you don't,
from Silicon Valley who are worth like being worth four
hundred million dollars in Silicon Valley is you know, if.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
You're not a billionaire, you it's hard to even get noticed.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, like I mean being worth like hundreds of millions,
which is obscene. Well, but anyway, they got all these
super rich guys who are on this podcast, and they're
they're generally I would say, I've listened in a little bit.
I have very little time to listen to anyone's podcast
because I'm always preparing for this one. But I listened
a little bit because Mason said, You've got it is
the most the funniest Trump thing.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
You've got to listen.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
So u Chamath I can't pronounce his last name, but
he's one of the guys on this and he's remarried
and apparently he's married a very attractive like twenty years
younger than him woman. And so they're at this they're
at this U fundraiser, right, They're at the fundraiser for
David at David Sachs's house for Trump. And Trump walks
(35:06):
up to Tremathe and his wife and Tamatte.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
It's not like it. He's like a super handsome guy.
I'm not I'm not gonna look normal, normal looking guy.
I'm normal looking guy.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I'm not I'm not casting a spersions or a casting
you know, throwing stones. I'm just saying he's a normal
looking guy. Okay, normal looking guy. And and Trump walks
up them and says, oh, look at this beautiful couple.
And then this is traumatthe telling this story. And then
he pulls Roam out the side. He's like, you must
be really rich. And I'm just like, that is the
(35:37):
most Trump. And then he got off and he was
making jokes. Apparently the the Winklevoss twins were there, and
he's like, I know you actually did Facebook.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
You actually are the inventors of Facebook. You made it happen.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
But you know you look like male models, so you
didn't lose much in life. You look good kids, you know,
like he's just he's so Trump.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
And the big takeaway there was I went and listened
to this too, said what you and I have been saying,
because we've had the good fortune to meet Trump face
to face a bunch. He said, you know what, he's
actually just kind of a nice guy who is very
likable and good one on one. He's great in the
room and all of those big tech guys and I
(36:19):
think we should talk about it some in the third
hour as well. All those big tech guys are super busy.
They're trying to reinvent the world. They're again, as you
pointed out, hundreds of millions and billions of dollars. A
lot of them bought into the hype around oh Trump's
a Nazi. Oh Trump is saying Nazis are great people.
And now they're going back and it feels to me
(36:40):
Buck a little bit like they're getting red pilled. But
they're several years behind a lot of the rest of
us because they bought many of those lies and now
they're rejecting them.
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