November 19, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show delivers a deep dive into two major stories dominating headlines: Trump’s high-stakes diplomacy with Saudi Arabia and the escalating immigration enforcement battle in North Carolina. Buck Sexton kicks off the hour by revisiting the upcoming release of the Epstein Transparency Act files, warning listeners that even with President Trump’s signature, questions about redactions and completeness will linger. He predicts this will mirror historic controversies like the JFK assassination files—fueling skepticism and demands for more transparency.
The conversation then shifts to Trump’s meeting with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, highlighting a landmark announcement: Saudi Arabia will invest $1 trillion in the United States, up from a previous $600 billion commitment. Buck explains why this matters for American jobs, technology, and energy security. He underscores Saudi Arabia’s strategic role as a bulwark against Iran and its potential normalization with Israel—a move that could reshape Middle East geopolitics. Trump’s agreements with the Saudis span civil nuclear energy, critical minerals, and artificial intelligence, signaling a major boost for U.S. innovation and manufacturing. Buck also defends Trump’s pragmatic approach to foreign policy, contrasting it with Democratic hypocrisy on human rights and global engagement.
Next, Buck covers Trump’s remarks on tariffs and economic policy, including plans for a $2,000 dividend to low- and middle-income Americans and aggressive debt reduction. He blasts mainstream media for fixating on Jamal Khashoggi and 9/11 during the Saudi meeting instead of acknowledging the economic benefits of Trump’s diplomacy.
In the second half of the hour, Buck welcomes Michael Whatley, former RNC Chair and current candidate for U.S. Senate in North Carolina. Whatley details the fallout from Governor Roy Cooper’s veto of legislation requiring sheriffs to honor ICE detainers, which has led to a surge in illegal immigration and crime. They discuss shocking statistics, including 21,000 students absent from Charlotte schools in one day due to immigration enforcement fears, and over 200 arrests of criminal illegal aliens in recent ICE operations. Whatley warns of the massive financial burden on state resources—from Medicaid to education—and contrasts his tough-on-crime stance with Cooper’s record of vetoing tax cuts, police pay raises, and bills protecting women’s sports. He predicts the North Carolina Senate race will be the most expensive in U.S. history, with Democrats pouring in hundreds of millions to flip the seat.
The hour closes with listener talkbacks on the Epstein file release and speculation about fallout for celebrities and politicians linked to Epstein’s network. Buck reminds listeners that expectations of bombshell revelations may be unrealistic, drawing parallels to the overhyped Trump tax return saga.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Second hour of Clay and Buck get's going right now.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Thank you for being here everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
As you know, Clay hanging out with the Pope, eating
some pasta, having a good time over in Rome. And
they'll be back with us either Friday or Monday. I
think it depends on his flight situation. And we have
the near unanimous on the House one no vote, and
then the Senate all voted in favor of the release
of the Epstein additional Epstein files. I'm just gonna tell
(00:29):
you this, There's going to be a lot of is
it all of the files? Did they redact the files?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Are there more.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Classified versions of the files? Have they pulled stuff out?
Have they covered I mean, this is my my concern
with this is absolutely more transparency. Good find always in
favor of more transparency. Is there such a thing as
(00:56):
enough transparency that people will feel satisfied across the board?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
This has been going on, This investigation has been going
on for a long time. The situation of Jeffrey Epstein
spanned decades. There were a lot of things that happened
on the government side that are by the official narrative
still inexplicable by the official narrative right what we're being told,
So I think it will end up being something along
(01:24):
the lines of the JFK, along the lines at JFK's assassination,
things like that, where people just don't ever believe it
they have the full picture, So be prepared for that too.
Some of you may feel that way yourselves. I don't
think that there's going to be a big exhale of Okay,
finally we have all the answers, but we'll have more answers.
(01:48):
That's a good thing. So I view it as more
likely to be a step in a direction now. I
also wanted to spend some time here on what Trump
is trying. So again that's happening. The release Trump's gonna
sign and that's coming out. But Trump is hosting the
Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
As you know, we talked about this bid yesterday and
there was.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
That very terse exchange with an ABC reporter who went after.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Mohammed Vin Salomon.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
For the assassin, I mean assassination of this guy Kashogi
and it was a journalist and I think they like
buried his body in the yard of the consulate in Istanbul, right,
something like that I mean, it was it was it
was grizzly stuff. But the world is the world that
(02:40):
we live in. And learning to work with the Saudis
and be operating in the interest of three hundred and
fifty million Americans, that's the goal, and that's what President
Trump should and is doing. So he's trying to push
things to Saudi Arabia and remember Saudi Era. This is
(03:00):
another part of this discussion that I think is worth
bringing into It is the single most important bulwark against
Iranian ambitions and Iranian meddling and destabilization in the region.
The Iranians are the Shia power of the Middle East,
(03:21):
the Shia Muslim power of the Middle East, and the
Saudis are our host to the cities of Mecca and Medina,
as you know, and they are the most powerful Sunni
Arab nation in the Middle East. So if we're going
to be working to box in the Iranians and make
(03:43):
sure that that regime is who knows how long it's
going to be able to cling to power, but at
least try to make sure that regime does as little
damage as possible. The Saudis are a very important ally
for us in that process. There's also the prospect of
a full Saudi normalization with Israel diplomatically, trade wise, and
(04:04):
if that were to happen, it would be a a
seismic shift in the Middle East and the power dynamic
and maybe put it on a much more stable path,
not a perfect path, but a more stable path than
what we've seen with the Middle East and the post
World War two World War two period overall. So Trump
(04:28):
said that there are some important agreements. Sign let's get
into this. This is just from the last hour, so
this is just breaking just getting out there now. This
is cut twenty eight. He was talking about what some
of these agreements look like, and he cited that trillion
dollar figure.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Listen to this.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
This week, our countries also signed groundbreaking agreements on civil
nuclear energy, critical minerals, and artificial intelligence. And I want
to congratulate a lot of the great American leaders, business
leaders that are in the room. You'll do a great
job for Saudi Arabian for a lot of other people
in the room that are buying your product, taking your product,
and using your product. All of that is an addition
(05:10):
to the six hundred billion dollar investment in the United
States that Saudi Arabia announced during my unforgettable visit their
last spring. Well, I said, could you try and get
that up to a trillion dollars? And yesterday the Crown
prints announced that the number that they'll be investing in
the United States is one trillion dollars. So that's really
a dot.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So the Saudis are responsible for about ten eleven twelve
percent of global something like that. Ten eleven is percent
depends on the time period of the world's crude oil.
And so Thisaudi's matter, The Saudi's played important role in
a global economy that is that is still entirely depends
really a modern civilization around the world that is entirely
(05:55):
dependent on hydrocarbon fossil fuel.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
This is this is all also.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Why our efforts to and the international community such as
it is NATO, maybe more more specifically to box in Russia. No,
Russia's got too much oil, too much gas, too much
that the world needs. Regardless of how we feel about
Russia's war in Ukraine and how evil Putin is and
all that stuff, the oil is coming out of the
(06:23):
ground and we need it, and people are gonna pay
for it and they want it. Same thing is true
of Saudi Arabia. Know, this is the reality of nation
states is a bit like people. Does their talent outweigh
their baggage, so to speak, does the upside outweigh the
negatives of dealing with them? So you know, you can
get away with a whole lot more if you are
(06:46):
Saudi Arabia, and if you are Russia. Then if you
are North Korea. Let's say North Korea doesn't export anything
except problems, which is why we have been far more
willing and the rest of the world has been far
more willing to cut them off from a whole lot
of things.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
The same thing with China.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
By the way, China is a as we know, massive
human rights abuser as well as a near peer competitor
to the US militarily economically. And while we would like
to decouple from China, perhaps it will take time.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And while we would like to.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Be able to bring more pressure to bear on China,
we have some limitations.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Trump is working with.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
The cards that we have, but it's certainly not something
where we just get to dictate.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Same thing with Saudi Arabia. So a trillion dollars.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Invested in the United States, now this is a substantial,
This gives the Saudi substantial influence. They've had substantial influence
in the US, in our media, in a lot of
US universities have taken a tremendous amount of Saudi money
over the years, and really more golf, golf, oil money
more broadly. But that's something we should be aware of.
(08:01):
There's a huge upside to this. Saudi investment in America
makes US richer, more jobs, more you know, we want
money coming into this country from foreign nations. We just
want to make sure we know where it's going and
how it's being You know, if here's a perfect example, BMW.
(08:23):
I think BMW is a great I drive a BMW.
BMW is a great car company. They want to set
up a US based manufacturing plant. I think it's in uh,
South Carolina or something like that.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Great great.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
You know, that's we want more jobs, we want more
production here, and we welcome that kind of an investment.
Do we want China to control US ports?
Speaker 4 (08:48):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Do we want China to be buying a US farmland?
Speaker 5 (08:53):
No?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Right there there, we can pick and shoot and we
always have. And there are offices of the US government
already that look at this issue and deal with whether
there's too much foreign influence and say in national security
relevant industry. But with all that said, Trump's making these deals.
(09:15):
He's bringing all this money into the country, and that's
a good thing, and he's doing what he knows. I
think we'll have real benefits for the American people, for companies,
for jobs, for the stock market, and yes, for innovation
and our production of technology.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Here.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
We want more done here at the highest level possible.
When it comes to technology. I've spoken to you about
how the Taiwanese semiconductor manufacturing Company TSMC. I visited them
when I was in Taiwan back in September, and they're
doing incredible things. I mean, it almost seems like magic
(09:53):
the level of technology that they operate at, and our
entire AI future rests on the ability to make these
very very advanced chips. They've also now set up in Arizona,
some of you know you've probably driven past them many times,
a fab a fabrication facility for these chips, and are
expanding that rapidly over time.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
We need this, we want this. This is a good thing.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Trombalzo spoke about tariffs in this sit down. This is
cut twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Let's hear what he said, well, waiting for a decision.
We hope that's going to be good, but it's not.
We'll do We always find ways, you know, we find ways.
But we've done things that nobody thought were possible, and
we're taking intriasions and trillions of dollars. Tariffs have been frankly,
the best thing that's ever happened to our country. They've
always been used against us, and we never had people
(10:40):
that were smart enough to use them in the opposite direction.
But there you do, and we have taken in trillions
of dollars and it's been absolutely amazing. We're going to
be doing a dividend to the people low and middle income,
moderate income people of ITA least two thousand dollars. In
addition to that will be paid down debt very substantially.
(11:02):
It's kind of money we're taking in.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Paying down debt, giving the American people a dividend who
could really people who could really use it. These are
things that you would think the media would be in
favor of, but no, instead you get ABC News attacking
Trump and Mohammad BN Salomon for nine to eleven and Kashogi.
Do you think that if it were a Democrat administration.
(11:26):
That's scene in the White House yesterday whatever. Of course not,
of course not. The whole existence of the anti Trump
media has really just now for years, well maybe all along,
but particularly in recent years in this administration, it just
revolves around cheap shots, just an endless stream of cheap
(11:49):
shots against Trump. And that's why when he gets a
little bit, a little bit terse a little bit salty
in response, I think it's the right thing to do.
But he's just gonna sit there and get abused by
people in bad faith. I'm a journalist, so I'm attacking
and showing no respect whatsoever to the President of the
United States.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
No, sorry, that's not gonna fly.
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Speaker 7 (13:37):
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could on the Sunday hang with playing Buck podcast, welcome.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Back in here to play and Buck uh. So we're
talking about the Saudi investment in the US, this big meeting,
and again this is international diplomacy, but with a very
clear focus on what's best for the American people, what
will benefit the American people. This isn't the you know,
the usual thing when Democrats talk about the world stage.
(14:08):
It's like human rights and feeling good about ourselves and
climate change and consensus.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And Trump's like, look.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Let's get foreign partners that we're gonna work with.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Every administration.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Anyone who tells you that the Democrats would shun Saudi
Arabia and not is a moron. Would not happen. It
didn't happen under Biden. It's not going to happen. It's
never it has never happened in the modern history of
the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Because they're too they matter
too much, so we cannot like them. But that doesn't
(14:40):
mean we can ignore them. And I think that's a
bit of a lesson that everybody's learned here who didn't
see it coming with Russia too. You can try to
pressure them, but you cannot box them in and cut
them off from the global financial system and destroy the ruble.
It didn't happen at all. But here is Treasury Secretary
Scott bessn't talk about because remember, there's the investment, that's
(15:02):
the saudis we're making here in the US, which is
in companies, in technology and things that can benefit we,
the American people. There's also the buying of this stuff here, right,
So they're investing here in factories and things like that,
but they're also going to buy our products. And here's
the Treasure Secretary. This is Secretary, this is cut thirteen.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
If you are another country in the world, what do
you look to the US for? What are the sources
of American power? And that's what we saw on display
here today. First there's a military, so Soundings are going
to be buying F thirty five, the coveted by everyone
one around the world. Proof that they are a valuable
ally too, our great economy and the reserve currency status.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Of the dollar.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
So they are willing to put in a trillion dollars
of investment into their portfolio that they already have here.
The US is a premier destination.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
In the world.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
And then three, a technology and innovation economy. Again, they
want to invest in that, they want to buy our chips.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yes, they want to have more productive and lucrative for
American companies, businesses, individuals, relationships with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
And this is a good thing. This is something that
we will benefit all of us. I will tell you this.
The hypocrisy of the people who pretend to care about
(16:30):
human rights only based upon whoever is the human rights
I should say, of foreign nations only when there's a
Republican in the White House. It's just so tiresome. It's
so tiresome.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
What are we really going to do.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
We're not going to talk to the Saudis, We're not
going to deal with China. We're not going to, you know,
sit down with regimes that do things that we don't
like and that we don't agree with. But we don't
get to call the shots for everybody all over the world.
And it would be a huge misstep for the Trump
administration to decide that, in some uh, you know, feat
(17:11):
of self righteousness or sanctimony, we say we're not gonna do.
We're not gonna deal with the Saudis because they they,
you know, assassinated a foreign journalist and years ago, and
so now the American people are We're like, we're all
supposed to suffer.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
What do they want us to do?
Speaker 8 (17:30):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I always want to ask this of the critics, and
they're just so cynical because it's only when there's a
Republican It's like figuring out the world is a dangerous place.
There are people who play rough that we have.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
To still deal with.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
But they only figure this out when Donald Trump is
in office. This is not something I mean when when
doddering fool Joe Biden is stumbling around all of a sudden,
you know, oh, real politique and Kissinger and whatever. Interesting
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going on in North Carolina. Our guest here Michael, running
for a critical Senate seat there. Michael appreciates you joining
us here calling in. Tell us what has been going
on with your state when it comes to illegal immigration enforcement.
(19:14):
There's been some very interesting exchanges I'm seeing online.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
Yeah. Well, the biggest thing to kind of table set
for all of your listeners is the fact that my opponent,
Roy Cooper, when he was the governor of North Carolina
vetoed legislation which would have forced sheriffs to honor ICE
detainers and move violent criminal illegal aliens out of the state.
And so now we have a system where we have
(19:41):
a revolving door that's putting these criminals back on the street.
They are not being deported, and ICE has come in
to make a number of arrests and help clean up
the mess that Roy Cooper has created in North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
People who are trying to get a sense of the
scale of the illegal immigration issue. I don't know if
you say all this it was being shared broadly online.
This number that in the Charlotte Public School system earlier
this week there were twenty one thousand. Now apparently the
CMS data is not finalized yet, but basically twenty one
(20:17):
thousand students missed school and just the Charlotte Public School
District on Monday, which they say is fifteen percent.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I mean, this is this is kind of stunning.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I think that that many kids are affected by because
they have a legal immigrant parents.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
What's going on here? What can you tell us about this?
Speaker 8 (20:32):
Well, I think it's stunning that when you look at
the you know, millions of illegal immigrants that came across
the border. During Joe Biden's administration, ten fifteen million immigrants
that came across, hundreds of thousands of them were known
criminals who had records, and they still were released into
(20:53):
you know, states like North Carolina. The fact is that
North Carolina should not be a border state, but we
are a border state. And so you know, when we
think about having ICE come in and be able to
take these people off the street, and they're saying, you know,
there've been over two hundred plus arrests so far. You know,
these are people who've been arrested who have criminal records,
(21:14):
that people who are wanted for criminal records and need
to be deported. It is absolutely a dereliction of duty
for you know, the sheriff of Mecklenburg County, sheriffs of
of Wake County, which is Raleigh, or you know, Durham
County to not honor these ICE detainers. And it was
a dereliction of duty for Roy Cooper to veto legislation.
(21:36):
Would it have forced them to be able to do that?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
What kind of drain on the budget has it been
for the State of North Carolina to have And can
you give us a sense there are some places we
think about illegal immigration a lot, right you think about
New York City and the state of California, Texas, you know,
places along the border the Carolinas don't necessarily come to
(22:00):
mind right away. But can you give some sense of
the of the scale and and also the cost for
the people of your state about illegal immigration, uh and
and how much of an issue it has become.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
Well, it's a huge issue, you know when you talk
about uh, you know, the federal programs in the state
programs to be able to help our needy and the
fact that we have you know, millions of people around
the country illegal aliens that were on medicaid. The fact
that we actually had to pass legislation as part of
the One Big Beautiful Bill to take illegal aliens and
(22:34):
say that they cannot be on medicaid, and the fact
that the Democrats were fighting extremely hard to try and
put you know, those provisions back into place. When we
look at at food stamps, we look at at the
which programs, we look at you know, schools, and and
all of the other costs that are out there. The
societal costs for services for illegal aliens is absolutely stupefying,
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and it is it is remarkable that that Democrats in
North Carolina and around the country, including Roy Cooper, want
to fight harder for illegal aliens than they do their
own constituents.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Speaking to Michael Watley, former R and C chair and
candidate for Senate in North Carolina, I know it's technically
early in that cycle, Michael, but the Republican Party has
already been, you know, moving forward with your candidacy, trying
to trying to back things up, back you up in
(23:33):
this because I think they recognize, Man, the Democrats, what
kind of money are they going to put behind Roy
Cooper to try to get this Senate see.
Speaker 8 (23:42):
Well, it's going to be the most expensive Senate race
in the history of the country. We've seen estimates that
this could be as high as six hundred to eight
hundred million dollars that will be spent in North Carolina.
We know that Democrats are going to pour hundreds of
millions of dollars into the race. It's it's really they're
they're one of two pick up opportunities that they have
(24:02):
all around the country, Susan Collins up in Maine being
the other one. And the fact is we're going to
have the support of President Trump. We're going to have
the support of the grassroots. We're going to have the support,
you know, from people all across North Carolina to be
able to go toe to toe with that out of
state money. But you know, we we look at, you know,
the amount of money that Roy Cooper is going to
(24:23):
be able to bring in from around the country, and
it's not daunting because as we saw in the last
election cycled, President Trump got outspent by a billion dollars.
Kamala Harris, you know, raised and spent you know, two
point five billion dollars, but she had a terrible message.
And you know, good policy is good politics. So we're
going to win this race even if we're outspent, because
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we're going to be focused on creating jobs and raising wages.
We're going to be focused on keeping our kids in
our community safe, and obviously this current conversation is a
big part of that. And we're also going to focus
on making sure that our men and women in uniform
have what they need to protect our interests in our
allies around the world.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I wanted to let you react to Josh Stein, the
Governor of North Carolina. Here, Michael, this has cut seventeen
on our sheet team, he's saying, well, I'll let everybody
hear what he's saying, Play seventeen.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
We've seen mass heavily armed agents and paramilitary garb driving
unmarked cars, targeting American citizens based on their skin color,
racially profiling and picking up random people in parking lots
and off of our sidewalks, going after landscapers, simply decorating
a Christmas tree in someone's front yard, and entering churches
and stores to grab people. This is not making us safer.
(25:43):
It's stoking fear and dividing our community. We are a
nation of immigrants, and our state and this country is
stronger because of our immigrant communities. Unfortunately, our immigration system
is broken, but rather than fix it, the federal government
continues to play with it.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
So Governor Governor Stein in North Carolina, Michael, does he
get all of his talking points from MSNBC?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
How does that work?
Speaker 8 (26:11):
Yeah? Absolutely? I mean that is lock stock and Barrow,
the messaging platform from the far left, the progressive radical left.
The fact is, if Roy Cooper had signed that legislation
and sheriff had honored their ice detainers, then we probably
would not need to have President Trump sending his administration
down here and taking these people off of the streets.
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Nobody can dispute the fact that the hundreds of arrests
that have been made are people who have criminal records
and should not be walking the streets, whether it's in
Charlotte or Raleigh or anywhere else in North Carolina. And
the fact is that there are thousands of people who
are in North Carolina jails right now that are not
being turned over to Ice when they are when they
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are illegal aliens. Is a huge problem. That that is
the fault of of Roy Cooper, is a total failure
of leadership on his part.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Now, Roy Cooper, your opponent in this Senate race, is
going to be trying to convince everybody that you know,
he's a pragmatic Democrat, one of the reasonable Democrats.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I mean, we're seeing right now in real time what
that actually means on say, illegal immigration and the enforcement
underway from the Trump administration. Democrats are expected to pretend
that this is like the East German Stazi picking up
innocent people off the streets.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Where are some other key areas of difference between what
you would bring to the United States Senate versus Roy Cooper.
Just so we have a huge audience all across North Carolina,
I want them to hear from you how you two
guys would be markedly different and what that would mean
in the United States Senate.
Speaker 8 (27:49):
Well, we certainly could talk about the fact that he
vetoed six different bills with tax cuts, bounce budgets, police
pay raises, and teacher pay raises, and we can talk
about the legislation that he that would have kept boys
out of girls sports and men out of women's locker rooms.
But I think that probably the most important thing that
we're going to need to talk about is keeping our
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kids in our communities safe. And Roy Cooper, when he
was the governor in twenty twenty, when we had Antifa
and BLM riding all across North Carolina, was out there
marching with them in protest, and also signed an executive
order that basically created cashless bail and pre trial release
in North Carolina, created a revolving door for all of
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our criminals and led to violent crime spikes in all
major North Carolina cities. And that that is the reason
why we had to Rena Zeroska, a beautiful young lady
who was murdered in Charlotte has kind of been held
up as the most vivid example where her murderer had
been arrested fourteen different times and released under Roy Cooper's
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soft on crime policies. That we need to keep our
kids in our community safe. That is the number one
function for any government, whether it's state, local, or federal,
and we need, ultimately to have policies that are going
to be set at the federal level to keep our
kids in the community safe. And we cannot trust Roy
Cooper with it. But at the end of the day,
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this is going to come down to a vote in
the Senate and whether we're going to have somebody who
will be an ally for President Trump and stand up
for the conservative values of North Carolina, or are we
going to have a radical progressive, a card carrying member
of the woke mob like Roy Cooper. And ultimately, at
the end of the day, North Carolina is going to
side with North Carolina values. They do not want a
(29:37):
candidate who's going to fight every day harder for criminals
and illegal aliens than he is his own constituents.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Well, Michael, make sure that you keep in touch with
us here and our team, so that as you get
deeper into this race and you have I'm sure a
debate that will happen with Roy Cooper, and we want
to get the word out and continue to talk about
this one because as you point out, it's North Carolina
in Maine that are the big targets for Democrat pickups.
So hundreds of millions of dollars going to be spent
(30:05):
against you. A lot of it's going to come from
Malibu and Manhattan. But anyway, as you already know, where
can people go to follow what you're doing, help out
pitch in.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Excellent. Michael Wattley dot com is the website and they
can follow me on xt at Wattley NC.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Bring home the w for us. Michael, thanks for joining us.
We'll talk to you again soon, Yes, sir, take care.
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Speaker 2 (31:36):
All right, welcome back in here.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Coming up in a big third hour and just moments
and we'll have all the latest you from Trump's meetings
today with the Saudi Crown Prince.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Also any updates coming.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
In on the signing of the Epstein Transparency Act, which
Trump's going to be doing, and if Clay has any
more words of wisdom. Now that he walks around with
wings and a halo on because he met with the Pope,
perhaps he can descend from the clouds in the sky
and with a little harp and tell us all everything
(32:07):
we need to know. You know, he has been blessed
from on high. We will get into that Crockett coffee.
By the way, I'm gonna be drinking some Crockett. I
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Speaker 8 (32:42):
Please Clay, please tell me that you shaved.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Before you met the Pontiffs and you didn't wear that
wretched orange jacket.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
WHOA, the range is hot.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
We have a caller there calling out Clay saying, and
I don't know which one is the orange pretty sure, Ali,
do we know which one is the orange jacket? Clay's jackets.
He definitely goes game show host jackets.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Sometimes.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I'm just saying, right, he's not here to defend himself,
so when he comes back he can explain his jacket choices.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
But I'm sure he was stressed.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Up very nice, very nicely, very nicely for a meeting
with the pontiff. But I'm really excited for him. That's
a very cool thing. I remember I went a long
time ago. I was maybe fourteen thirteen. I was in
Italy and went to Saint Peter's and went to the Vatican.
(33:40):
Vatican city was really really quite especially as a Catholic,
it was quite an experience. He's got that Syracuse orange jacket.
That's hideous. Bruce Rally says, Oh wow, Okay, he's got
an ugly orange jacket. I didn't even know about that one.
Let's also take here, Mike CC listener from San Diego,
Go play it.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
This is Mike in San Diego.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
I'm really curious to see what happens with the people
that are on this epstein lists. I know that there
were flight logs that shook movie stars and politicians and
other celebrities and powerful business people. I'm really curious to
see if there's Paul out outside of government.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Uh yeah, I'd be curious as well. I wouldn't hold
your breath on it, just because we don't know what's
in these files. And like I said, the files are
in the possession of the Department of Justice of the
United States government. If they're going to release the files,
I think it's very, very unlikely that they're going to
(34:43):
release files and say, oh, wow, you're right, we should
have prosecuted this person. We didn't even think about that
until now. So this is also what I was saying
about the complete non story of Trump's tax returns.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
You remember that, Do you remember how how insane Democrats
were about.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
The tax return And I used to joke about this
when I was doing my solo show years ago. I'd say,
they speak of this, and I mean Rachel Maddow at
MSNBC and the big voices of the time on the left.
They spoke of Trump's tax returns as if there was
going to be a page that was like big bribe
from Pultin, Like that's not going to happen. There isn't
(35:25):
going to be something that the tax returns are in
the possession of the government, so they think that if
they got leaked, then all of a sudden it would
be oh my gosh, the government was sitting this whole
time on the smoking gun evidence of Trump's Russia collusion.
That is a crazy belief that made no sense. And
(35:46):
as we know, they eventually some guy went to prison
for leaking Trump's tax returns. It made no sense, but
there you go.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Prduce Rally says that play has a pink pepto bismal
colored check too. I haven't seen this one. That's something
that's something I gotta check out. Although a pink blazer
in Miami, especially with maybe a light blue shirt something
like that, it's pretty Crockett and tubs.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
It's a throwback to Miami vice days. So I'm not
gonna hate on a pink blazer, at least not that
where I am. So we're gonna come back in here
and dive into the latest on immigration.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Oh and Rohn de Santa's governor of.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Florida, my state, fabulous governor, fantastic governor. He'll be with
us tomorrow at least that's on the schedule for right now,
might talk a bit about the housing situation, affordability, and
a lot of the debate surrounding property tax, which could
affect all of us.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
We'll talk about it.
Second hour of Clay and Buck get's going right now.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Thank you for being here everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
As you know, Clay hanging out with the Pope, eating
some pasta, having a good time over in Rome. And
they'll be back with us either Friday or Monday. I
think it depends on his flight situation. And we have
the near unanimous on the House one no vote, and
then the Senate all voted in favor of the release
of the Epstein additional Epstein files. I'm just gonna tell
(00:29):
you this, There's going to be a lot of is
it all of the files? Did they redact the files?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Are there more.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Classified versions of the files? Have they pulled stuff out?
Have they covered I mean, this is my my concern
with this is absolutely more transparency. Good find always in
favor of more transparency. Is there such a thing as
(00:56):
enough transparency that people will feel satisfied across the board?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
This has been going on, This investigation has been going
on for a long time. The situation of Jeffrey Epstein
spanned decades. There were a lot of things that happened
on the government side that are by the official narrative
still inexplicable by the official narrative right what we're being told,
So I think it will end up being something along
(01:24):
the lines of the JFK, along the lines at JFK's assassination,
things like that, where people just don't ever believe it
they have the full picture, So be prepared for that too.
Some of you may feel that way yourselves. I don't
think that there's going to be a big exhale of Okay,
finally we have all the answers, but we'll have more answers.
(01:48):
That's a good thing. So I view it as more
likely to be a step in a direction now. I
also wanted to spend some time here on what Trump
is trying. So again that's happening. The release Trump's gonna
sign and that's coming out. But Trump is hosting the
Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
As you know, we talked about this bid yesterday and
there was.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
That very terse exchange with an ABC reporter who went after.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Mohammed Vin Salomon.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
For the assassin, I mean assassination of this guy Kashogi
and it was a journalist and I think they like
buried his body in the yard of the consulate in Istanbul, right,
something like that I mean, it was it was it
was grizzly stuff. But the world is the world that
(02:40):
we live in. And learning to work with the Saudis
and be operating in the interest of three hundred and
fifty million Americans, that's the goal, and that's what President
Trump should and is doing. So he's trying to push
things to Saudi Arabia and remember Saudi Era. This is
(03:00):
another part of this discussion that I think is worth
bringing into It is the single most important bulwark against
Iranian ambitions and Iranian meddling and destabilization in the region.
The Iranians are the Shia power of the Middle East,
(03:21):
the Shia Muslim power of the Middle East, and the
Saudis are our host to the cities of Mecca and Medina,
as you know, and they are the most powerful Sunni
Arab nation in the Middle East. So if we're going
to be working to box in the Iranians and make
(03:43):
sure that that regime is who knows how long it's
going to be able to cling to power, but at
least try to make sure that regime does as little
damage as possible. The Saudis are a very important ally
for us in that process. There's also the prospect of
a full Saudi normalization with Israel diplomatically, trade wise, and
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if that were to happen, it would be a a
seismic shift in the Middle East and the power dynamic
and maybe put it on a much more stable path,
not a perfect path, but a more stable path than
what we've seen with the Middle East and the post
World War two World War two period overall. So Trump
(04:28):
said that there are some important agreements. Sign let's get
into this. This is just from the last hour, so
this is just breaking just getting out there now. This
is cut twenty eight. He was talking about what some
of these agreements look like, and he cited that trillion
dollar figure.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Listen to this.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
This week, our countries also signed groundbreaking agreements on civil
nuclear energy, critical minerals, and artificial intelligence. And I want
to congratulate a lot of the great American leaders, business
leaders that are in the room. You'll do a great
job for Saudi Arabian for a lot of other people
in the room that are buying your product, taking your product,
and using your product. All of that is an addition
(05:10):
to the six hundred billion dollar investment in the United
States that Saudi Arabia announced during my unforgettable visit their
last spring. Well, I said, could you try and get
that up to a trillion dollars? And yesterday the Crown
prints announced that the number that they'll be investing in
the United States is one trillion dollars. So that's really
a dot.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So the Saudis are responsible for about ten eleven twelve
percent of global something like that. Ten eleven is percent
depends on the time period of the world's crude oil.
And so Thisaudi's matter, The Saudi's played important role in
a global economy that is that is still entirely depends
really a modern civilization around the world that is entirely
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dependent on hydrocarbon fossil fuel.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
This is this is all also.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Why our efforts to and the international community such as
it is NATO, maybe more more specifically to box in Russia. No,
Russia's got too much oil, too much gas, too much
that the world needs. Regardless of how we feel about
Russia's war in Ukraine and how evil Putin is and
all that stuff, the oil is coming out of the
(06:23):
ground and we need it, and people are gonna pay
for it and they want it. Same thing is true
of Saudi Arabia. Know, this is the reality of nation
states is a bit like people. Does their talent outweigh
their baggage, so to speak, does the upside outweigh the
negatives of dealing with them? So you know, you can
get away with a whole lot more if you are
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Saudi Arabia, and if you are Russia. Then if you
are North Korea. Let's say North Korea doesn't export anything
except problems, which is why we have been far more
willing and the rest of the world has been far
more willing to cut them off from a whole lot
of things.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
The same thing with China.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
By the way, China is a as we know, massive
human rights abuser as well as a near peer competitor
to the US militarily economically. And while we would like
to decouple from China, perhaps it will take time.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And while we would like to.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Be able to bring more pressure to bear on China,
we have some limitations.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Trump is working with.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
The cards that we have, but it's certainly not something
where we just get to dictate.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Same thing with Saudi Arabia. So a trillion dollars.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Invested in the United States, now this is a substantial,
This gives the Saudi substantial influence. They've had substantial influence
in the US, in our media, in a lot of
US universities have taken a tremendous amount of Saudi money
over the years, and really more golf, golf, oil money
more broadly. But that's something we should be aware of.
(08:01):
There's a huge upside to this. Saudi investment in America
makes US richer, more jobs, more you know, we want
money coming into this country from foreign nations. We just
want to make sure we know where it's going and
how it's being You know, if here's a perfect example, BMW.
(08:23):
I think BMW is a great I drive a BMW.
BMW is a great car company. They want to set
up a US based manufacturing plant. I think it's in uh,
South Carolina or something like that.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Great great.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
You know, that's we want more jobs, we want more
production here, and we welcome that kind of an investment.
Do we want China to control US ports?
Speaker 4 (08:48):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Do we want China to be buying a US farmland?
Speaker 5 (08:53):
No?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Right there there, we can pick and shoot and we
always have. And there are offices of the US government
already that look at this issue and deal with whether
there's too much foreign influence and say in national security
relevant industry. But with all that said, Trump's making these deals.
(09:15):
He's bringing all this money into the country, and that's
a good thing, and he's doing what he knows. I
think we'll have real benefits for the American people, for companies,
for jobs, for the stock market, and yes, for innovation
and our production of technology.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Here.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
We want more done here at the highest level possible.
When it comes to technology. I've spoken to you about
how the Taiwanese semiconductor manufacturing Company TSMC. I visited them
when I was in Taiwan back in September, and they're
doing incredible things. I mean, it almost seems like magic
(09:53):
the level of technology that they operate at, and our
entire AI future rests on the ability to make these
very very advanced chips. They've also now set up in Arizona,
some of you know you've probably driven past them many times,
a fab a fabrication facility for these chips, and are
expanding that rapidly over time.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
We need this, we want this. This is a good thing.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Trombalzo spoke about tariffs in this sit down. This is
cut twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Let's hear what he said, well, waiting for a decision.
We hope that's going to be good, but it's not.
We'll do We always find ways, you know, we find ways.
But we've done things that nobody thought were possible, and
we're taking intriasions and trillions of dollars. Tariffs have been frankly,
the best thing that's ever happened to our country. They've
always been used against us, and we never had people
(10:40):
that were smart enough to use them in the opposite direction.
But there you do, and we have taken in trillions
of dollars and it's been absolutely amazing. We're going to
be doing a dividend to the people low and middle income,
moderate income people of ITA least two thousand dollars. In
addition to that will be paid down debt very substantially.
(11:02):
It's kind of money we're taking in.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Paying down debt, giving the American people a dividend who
could really people who could really use it. These are
things that you would think the media would be in
favor of, but no, instead you get ABC News attacking
Trump and Mohammad BN Salomon for nine to eleven and Kashogi.
Do you think that if it were a Democrat administration.
(11:26):
That's scene in the White House yesterday whatever. Of course not,
of course not. The whole existence of the anti Trump
media has really just now for years, well maybe all along,
but particularly in recent years in this administration, it just
revolves around cheap shots, just an endless stream of cheap
(11:49):
shots against Trump. And that's why when he gets a
little bit, a little bit terse a little bit salty
in response, I think it's the right thing to do.
But he's just gonna sit there and get abused by
people in bad faith. I'm a journalist, so I'm attacking
and showing no respect whatsoever to the President of the
United States.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
No, sorry, that's not gonna fly.
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Speaker 7 (13:37):
You don't know what's you don't know right, but you
could on the Sunday hang with playing Buck podcast, welcome.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Back in here to play and Buck uh. So we're
talking about the Saudi investment in the US, this big meeting,
and again this is international diplomacy, but with a very
clear focus on what's best for the American people, what
will benefit the American people. This isn't the you know,
the usual thing when Democrats talk about the world stage.
(14:08):
It's like human rights and feeling good about ourselves and
climate change and consensus.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And Trump's like, look.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Let's get foreign partners that we're gonna work with.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Every administration.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Anyone who tells you that the Democrats would shun Saudi
Arabia and not is a moron. Would not happen. It
didn't happen under Biden. It's not going to happen. It's
never it has never happened in the modern history of
the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Because they're too they matter
too much, so we cannot like them. But that doesn't
(14:40):
mean we can ignore them. And I think that's a
bit of a lesson that everybody's learned here who didn't
see it coming with Russia too. You can try to
pressure them, but you cannot box them in and cut
them off from the global financial system and destroy the ruble.
It didn't happen at all. But here is Treasury Secretary
Scott bessn't talk about because remember, there's the investment, that's
(15:02):
the saudis we're making here in the US, which is
in companies, in technology and things that can benefit we,
the American people. There's also the buying of this stuff here, right,
So they're investing here in factories and things like that,
but they're also going to buy our products. And here's
the Treasure Secretary. This is Secretary, this is cut thirteen.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
If you are another country in the world, what do
you look to the US for? What are the sources
of American power? And that's what we saw on display
here today. First there's a military, so Soundings are going
to be buying F thirty five, the coveted by everyone
one around the world. Proof that they are a valuable
ally too, our great economy and the reserve currency status.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Of the dollar.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
So they are willing to put in a trillion dollars
of investment into their portfolio that they already have here.
The US is a premier destination.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
In the world.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
And then three, a technology and innovation economy. Again, they
want to invest in that, they want to buy our chips.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yes, they want to have more productive and lucrative for
American companies, businesses, individuals, relationships with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
And this is a good thing. This is something that
we will benefit all of us. I will tell you this.
The hypocrisy of the people who pretend to care about
(16:30):
human rights only based upon whoever is the human rights
I should say, of foreign nations only when there's a
Republican in the White House. It's just so tiresome. It's
so tiresome.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
What are we really going to do.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
We're not going to talk to the Saudis, We're not
going to deal with China. We're not going to, you know,
sit down with regimes that do things that we don't
like and that we don't agree with. But we don't
get to call the shots for everybody all over the world.
And it would be a huge misstep for the Trump
administration to decide that, in some uh, you know, feat
(17:11):
of self righteousness or sanctimony, we say we're not gonna do.
We're not gonna deal with the Saudis because they they,
you know, assassinated a foreign journalist and years ago, and
so now the American people are We're like, we're all
supposed to suffer.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
What do they want us to do?
Speaker 8 (17:30):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I always want to ask this of the critics, and
they're just so cynical because it's only when there's a
Republican It's like figuring out the world is a dangerous place.
There are people who play rough that we have.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
To still deal with.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
But they only figure this out when Donald Trump is
in office. This is not something I mean when when
doddering fool Joe Biden is stumbling around all of a sudden,
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going on in North Carolina. Our guest here Michael, running
for a critical Senate seat there. Michael appreciates you joining
us here calling in. Tell us what has been going
on with your state when it comes to illegal immigration enforcement.
(19:14):
There's been some very interesting exchanges I'm seeing online.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
Yeah. Well, the biggest thing to kind of table set
for all of your listeners is the fact that my opponent,
Roy Cooper, when he was the governor of North Carolina
vetoed legislation which would have forced sheriffs to honor ICE
detainers and move violent criminal illegal aliens out of the state.
And so now we have a system where we have
(19:41):
a revolving door that's putting these criminals back on the street.
They are not being deported, and ICE has come in
to make a number of arrests and help clean up
the mess that Roy Cooper has created in North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
People who are trying to get a sense of the
scale of the illegal immigration issue. I don't know if
you say all this it was being shared broadly online.
This number that in the Charlotte Public School system earlier
this week there were twenty one thousand. Now apparently the
CMS data is not finalized yet, but basically twenty one
(20:17):
thousand students missed school and just the Charlotte Public School
District on Monday, which they say is fifteen percent.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I mean, this is this is kind of stunning.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I think that that many kids are affected by because
they have a legal immigrant parents.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
What's going on here? What can you tell us about this?
Speaker 8 (20:32):
Well, I think it's stunning that when you look at
the you know, millions of illegal immigrants that came across
the border. During Joe Biden's administration, ten fifteen million immigrants
that came across, hundreds of thousands of them were known
criminals who had records, and they still were released into
(20:53):
you know, states like North Carolina. The fact is that
North Carolina should not be a border state, but we
are a border state. And so you know, when we
think about having ICE come in and be able to
take these people off the street, and they're saying, you know,
there've been over two hundred plus arrests so far. You know,
these are people who've been arrested who have criminal records,
(21:14):
that people who are wanted for criminal records and need
to be deported. It is absolutely a dereliction of duty
for you know, the sheriff of Mecklenburg County, sheriffs of
of Wake County, which is Raleigh, or you know, Durham
County to not honor these ICE detainers. And it was
a dereliction of duty for Roy Cooper to veto legislation.
(21:36):
Would it have forced them to be able to do that?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
What kind of drain on the budget has it been
for the State of North Carolina to have And can
you give us a sense there are some places we
think about illegal immigration a lot, right you think about
New York City and the state of California, Texas, you know,
places along the border the Carolinas don't necessarily come to
(22:00):
mind right away. But can you give some sense of
the of the scale and and also the cost for
the people of your state about illegal immigration, uh and
and how much of an issue it has become.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
Well, it's a huge issue, you know when you talk
about uh, you know, the federal programs in the state
programs to be able to help our needy and the
fact that we have you know, millions of people around
the country illegal aliens that were on medicaid. The fact
that we actually had to pass legislation as part of
the One Big Beautiful Bill to take illegal aliens and
(22:34):
say that they cannot be on medicaid, and the fact
that the Democrats were fighting extremely hard to try and
put you know, those provisions back into place. When we
look at at food stamps, we look at at the
which programs, we look at you know, schools, and and
all of the other costs that are out there. The
societal costs for services for illegal aliens is absolutely stupefying,
(22:59):
and it is it is remarkable that that Democrats in
North Carolina and around the country, including Roy Cooper, want
to fight harder for illegal aliens than they do their
own constituents.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Speaking to Michael Watley, former R and C chair and
candidate for Senate in North Carolina, I know it's technically
early in that cycle, Michael, but the Republican Party has
already been, you know, moving forward with your candidacy, trying
to trying to back things up, back you up in
(23:33):
this because I think they recognize, Man, the Democrats, what
kind of money are they going to put behind Roy
Cooper to try to get this Senate see.
Speaker 8 (23:42):
Well, it's going to be the most expensive Senate race
in the history of the country. We've seen estimates that
this could be as high as six hundred to eight
hundred million dollars that will be spent in North Carolina.
We know that Democrats are going to pour hundreds of
millions of dollars into the race. It's it's really they're
they're one of two pick up opportunities that they have
(24:02):
all around the country, Susan Collins up in Maine being
the other one. And the fact is we're going to
have the support of President Trump. We're going to have
the support of the grassroots. We're going to have the support,
you know, from people all across North Carolina to be
able to go toe to toe with that out of
state money. But you know, we we look at, you know,
the amount of money that Roy Cooper is going to
(24:23):
be able to bring in from around the country, and
it's not daunting because as we saw in the last
election cycled, President Trump got outspent by a billion dollars.
Kamala Harris, you know, raised and spent you know, two
point five billion dollars, but she had a terrible message.
And you know, good policy is good politics. So we're
going to win this race even if we're outspent, because
(24:46):
we're going to be focused on creating jobs and raising wages.
We're going to be focused on keeping our kids in
our community safe, and obviously this current conversation is a
big part of that. And we're also going to focus
on making sure that our men and women in uniform
have what they need to protect our interests in our
allies around the world.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I wanted to let you react to Josh Stein, the
Governor of North Carolina. Here, Michael, this has cut seventeen
on our sheet team, he's saying, well, I'll let everybody
hear what he's saying, Play seventeen.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
We've seen mass heavily armed agents and paramilitary garb driving
unmarked cars, targeting American citizens based on their skin color,
racially profiling and picking up random people in parking lots
and off of our sidewalks, going after landscapers, simply decorating
a Christmas tree in someone's front yard, and entering churches
and stores to grab people. This is not making us safer.
(25:43):
It's stoking fear and dividing our community. We are a
nation of immigrants, and our state and this country is
stronger because of our immigrant communities. Unfortunately, our immigration system
is broken, but rather than fix it, the federal government
continues to play with it.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
So Governor Governor Stein in North Carolina, Michael, does he
get all of his talking points from MSNBC?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
How does that work?
Speaker 8 (26:11):
Yeah? Absolutely? I mean that is lock stock and Barrow,
the messaging platform from the far left, the progressive radical left.
The fact is, if Roy Cooper had signed that legislation
and sheriff had honored their ice detainers, then we probably
would not need to have President Trump sending his administration
down here and taking these people off of the streets.
(26:33):
Nobody can dispute the fact that the hundreds of arrests
that have been made are people who have criminal records
and should not be walking the streets, whether it's in
Charlotte or Raleigh or anywhere else in North Carolina. And
the fact is that there are thousands of people who
are in North Carolina jails right now that are not
being turned over to Ice when they are when they
(26:55):
are illegal aliens. Is a huge problem. That that is
the fault of of Roy Cooper, is a total failure
of leadership on his part.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Now, Roy Cooper, your opponent in this Senate race, is
going to be trying to convince everybody that you know,
he's a pragmatic Democrat, one of the reasonable Democrats.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I mean, we're seeing right now in real time what
that actually means on say, illegal immigration and the enforcement
underway from the Trump administration. Democrats are expected to pretend
that this is like the East German Stazi picking up
innocent people off the streets.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Where are some other key areas of difference between what
you would bring to the United States Senate versus Roy Cooper.
Just so we have a huge audience all across North Carolina,
I want them to hear from you how you two
guys would be markedly different and what that would mean
in the United States Senate.
Speaker 8 (27:49):
Well, we certainly could talk about the fact that he
vetoed six different bills with tax cuts, bounce budgets, police
pay raises, and teacher pay raises, and we can talk
about the legislation that he that would have kept boys
out of girls sports and men out of women's locker rooms.
But I think that probably the most important thing that
we're going to need to talk about is keeping our
(28:10):
kids in our communities safe. And Roy Cooper, when he
was the governor in twenty twenty, when we had Antifa
and BLM riding all across North Carolina, was out there
marching with them in protest, and also signed an executive
order that basically created cashless bail and pre trial release
in North Carolina, created a revolving door for all of
(28:31):
our criminals and led to violent crime spikes in all
major North Carolina cities. And that that is the reason
why we had to Rena Zeroska, a beautiful young lady
who was murdered in Charlotte has kind of been held
up as the most vivid example where her murderer had
been arrested fourteen different times and released under Roy Cooper's
(28:54):
soft on crime policies. That we need to keep our
kids in our community safe. That is the number one
function for any government, whether it's state, local, or federal,
and we need, ultimately to have policies that are going
to be set at the federal level to keep our
kids in the community safe. And we cannot trust Roy
Cooper with it. But at the end of the day,
(29:16):
this is going to come down to a vote in
the Senate and whether we're going to have somebody who
will be an ally for President Trump and stand up
for the conservative values of North Carolina, or are we
going to have a radical progressive, a card carrying member
of the woke mob like Roy Cooper. And ultimately, at
the end of the day, North Carolina is going to
side with North Carolina values. They do not want a
(29:37):
candidate who's going to fight every day harder for criminals
and illegal aliens than he is his own constituents.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Well, Michael, make sure that you keep in touch with
us here and our team, so that as you get
deeper into this race and you have I'm sure a
debate that will happen with Roy Cooper, and we want
to get the word out and continue to talk about
this one because as you point out, it's North Carolina
in Maine that are the big targets for Democrat pickups.
So hundreds of millions of dollars going to be spent
(30:05):
against you. A lot of it's going to come from
Malibu and Manhattan. But anyway, as you already know, where
can people go to follow what you're doing, help out
pitch in.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Excellent. Michael Wattley dot com is the website and they
can follow me on xt at Wattley NC.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Bring home the w for us. Michael, thanks for joining us.
We'll talk to you again soon, Yes, sir, take care.
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Speaker 8 (32:42):
Please Clay, please tell me that you shaved.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Before you met the Pontiffs and you didn't wear that
wretched orange jacket.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
WHOA, the range is hot.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
We have a caller there calling out Clay saying, and
I don't know which one is the orange pretty sure, Ali,
do we know which one is the orange jacket? Clay's jackets.
He definitely goes game show host jackets.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Sometimes.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I'm just saying, right, he's not here to defend himself,
so when he comes back he can explain his jacket choices.
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Speaker 1 (33:20):
Up very nice, very nicely, very nicely for a meeting
with the pontiff. But I'm really excited for him. That's
a very cool thing. I remember I went a long
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(33:40):
Vatican city was really really quite especially as a Catholic,
it was quite an experience. He's got that Syracuse orange jacket.
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Let's also take here, Mike CC listener from San Diego,
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Speaker 6 (34:03):
I'm really curious to see what happens with the people
that are on this epstein lists. I know that there
were flight logs that shook movie stars and politicians and
other celebrities and powerful business people. I'm really curious to
see if there's Paul out outside of government.
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Uh yeah, I'd be curious as well. I wouldn't hold
your breath on it, just because we don't know what's
in these files. And like I said, the files are
in the possession of the Department of Justice of the
United States government. If they're going to release the files,
I think it's very, very unlikely that they're going to
(34:43):
release files and say, oh, wow, you're right, we should
have prosecuted this person. We didn't even think about that
until now. So this is also what I was saying
about the complete non story of Trump's tax returns.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
You remember that, Do you remember how how insane Democrats
were about.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
The tax return And I used to joke about this
when I was doing my solo show years ago. I'd say,
they speak of this, and I mean Rachel Maddow at
MSNBC and the big voices of the time on the left.
They spoke of Trump's tax returns as if there was
going to be a page that was like big bribe
from Pultin, Like that's not going to happen. There isn't
(35:25):
going to be something that the tax returns are in
the possession of the government, so they think that if
they got leaked, then all of a sudden it would
be oh my gosh, the government was sitting this whole
time on the smoking gun evidence of Trump's Russia collusion.
That is a crazy belief that made no sense. And
(35:46):
as we know, they eventually some guy went to prison
for leaking Trump's tax returns. It made no sense, but
there you go.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
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Speaker 1 (35:56):
Prduce Rally says that play has a pink pepto bismal
colored check too. I haven't seen this one. That's something
that's something I gotta check out. Although a pink blazer
in Miami, especially with maybe a light blue shirt something
like that, it's pretty Crockett and tubs.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
It's a throwback to Miami vice days. So I'm not
gonna hate on a pink blazer, at least not that
where I am. So we're gonna come back in here
and dive into the latest on immigration.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Oh and Rohn de Santa's governor of.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Florida, my state, fabulous governor, fantastic governor. He'll be with
us tomorrow at least that's on the schedule for right now,
might talk a bit about the housing situation, affordability, and
a lot of the debate surrounding property tax, which could
affect all of us.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
We'll talk about it.
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