March 17, 2025 • 36 mins
Was President Biden aware of executive acts under his authority? The power of the pardon. Is it legal to preemptively pardon someone? Border Czar Tom Homan smacks down reporter asking about "200-year-old laws." The media was all about The Logan Act. The Stock Market. Batya Ungar-Sargon floors Bill Maher by describing herself as a MAGA leftist. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent explains the detox the economy needs to go through before things level out. Girl math.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, second hour of playing Buck kicks off now, Clay,
I want to get to a couple of things here.
One was the exchange on Bill Maher where he asked,
I think he threw he would I think he thought
he was throwing a fast pitch down the middle, and
it got absolutely walloped into the upper deck with the
(00:20):
question about do you feel bad about voting for Trump?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Now to someone who voted for Trump.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Will get to that first, though, I did want to
get your take on this, you know last week. First,
last week, Trump made a bunch of references to Canada
as the fifty first state. He does not seem to
be budging off of that one. I believe it is
Trump trolling. I do not have any real thought that
the Canadians are going to become the fifty first state.
(00:45):
There's no process through which that would happen. But then
there's this, and I don't know if this is trolling
or a combination of serious and trolling, but it's seems to.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Be a big deal. This is from his truth. So
Donald J.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Trump, the pardons that Sleepy Joe Biden gave to the
Unselect Committee of Political Thugs and many others are hereby
declared void, vacant, and of no further force or effect
because of the fact that they were done by auto
pen In other words, Joe Biden did not sign them,
(01:21):
but more importantly, he did not know anything about them.
The necessary pardoning documents were not explained to or approved
by Biden. He knew nothing about them, and the people
that did may have committed a crime. Therefore, those of
the Unselect Committee who destroyed and deleted all evidence obtained
by their two year witch hunt of me and many
(01:42):
other innocent people should fully understand that they are subject
to investigation at the highest level. The fact is they
were probably responsible for the documents that were signed on
their behalf without the knowledge or consent of the worst
president in the history of our country, Crooked Joe Biden.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
What do you make of this?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I don't think that this is one the Canada thing.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I think is Trump just having fun and doing what
Trump does and getting a little negotiating leverage. Maybe I
don't think that he's kidding about this. I think he's
quite serious. It's super weird. Let's just say that, whatever
you think about Trump, he has made a very calculated
decision to basically sign all of his executive orders directly
(02:25):
in front of the media, a fix his signature, have
people explaining to the assembled media what the orders that
he is signing do, and then he's oftentimes held them up,
He's passed out pins. He has made it very clear
that he is acting on his authority as the president
of the United States. What rational basis would there be
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for an auto pin to be signing executive orders of
this level of significance? And Buck, you'll know this, and
I've bet a lot of people out there certainly have
experienced this. I'm not talking about like you wrote a
letter of your congressman and they like stamp it or
fix an autopen at the signature, you know, to a letter.
I'm talking about when you are acting with the full
(03:11):
force of legal authority. To have an autopen doing it
as opposed to Biden himself doing it is extremely strange,
and I do think it raises the question, was Biden
aware of many of the acts that were being undertaken
by the executive branch under his duly elected authority?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Why would you?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I mean, I think it's like leave aside whether you
agree with the decisions that Biden made, because obviously a
lot of these we don't agree with.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Why would you need to do it via auto pin?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I mean, it's actually a super interesting question. I think
that demands a real answer. And I don't think it's
crazy of Trump to say if Biden wasn't himself sitting
like he should have to sign the Executive Authority Act
Like that doesn't seem like a crazy perspective to take, right. Well,
(04:13):
this is where things get interesting here because Biden was
somebody that we all know now and this is uncontroversial,
had cognitive issues, right, I mean, had dementia. Basically you
had to be a president with dementia. And this is
something that I used to say about Reagan all the time.
They used to always bring up that. They would say
that Reagan had Alzheimer's. Right, That was just meant to
(04:35):
be smirch Reagan's legacy, and this is something that Democrats
through the nineties into the two thousands. Look, Reagan had Alzheimer's.
But what Trump is going after here is he's saying
that you can't. While advisors can push policies to Biden
and he can sign off on it, the power of
part in comes from the president as a person, and
(04:57):
if he does not know of and does not sign
off on a pardon, it is not possible for anyone
else to do so. So if there was an autopen,
like if these signatures that were autopen were also correlated
with pardons that Biden did not himself approve, then you
could consider it to be void.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Essentially.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
That's the idea, Now, can you here? I think the
challenge with this is how would you prove this? I
don't know how you could prove it. And Democrats are
going to say that of course Biden knew, and of
course Biden approved of all of this. And there is
no place in the constitution or in case law that
I'm aware of where a pardon can be The pardon
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power is considered to be absolute, right, Pardons can't be
undone because then there's no such thing as a pardon power.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So I don't really see where this is going.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
It might just be trolling, but Trump is pretty serious
about it.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Here is where Buck I would say, and we said
this on the show at the time that it occurred.
Here is where I do think Trump could challenge many
of these Biden pardons. Is it legal to actually preemptively
pardon someone? That to me is a very valid question
that the Supreme Court should have to address because most
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of the people that Biden pardoned have not actually been
charged with any crime. And so to me, the autopen
aspect of this allegation by Trump is intriguing. I would
actually layer it though with on top of this, which
I think is the far more significant argument. Does the
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president really have the power to preemptively pardon people from
being charged with crimes, potentially for actions going back a decade? Again,
almost all presidential pardons historically have been for duly adjudicated cases.
That is, is the ostensible purpose of the pardon. Right,
you have been convicted of a crime, you are, in
(07:06):
the President's opinion, worthy of clemency, and therefore you are
going to be given it after a duly adjudicated process,
just saying, Hey, for a decade of actions, you are
unable to be charged with any crime, and I am
preemptively pardoning you. To me, that's the angle that they
(07:26):
should be going after, because I don't think that should
be legal.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
It should at least be known what you're being pardoned.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Correct, that's the entire purpose also, right, because there's reason,
there was thinking behind this, right that there it wasn't
just it didn't just come out of nowhere that there
was this idea that the president should have this very
important authority. This is this goes to decisions made after
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the Civil War, for example, how do you handle the
Confederacy right? How do you bring you know, there are
people that wanted there to be much more severe punishments
for some of the particularly the leadership, but it was decided, well, no,
we're going to bring the country together, and so there
was clemency, there were pardons, there were decisions made. You know,
you can see how at baseline there is a need
(08:14):
for presidential pardon or rather why people would think there's
a need for presidential pardons. What about if somebody just
started saying, you know what, anybody who works for me,
you get a you get a total get out of
jail free card for anything you've done over the last
ten years.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah? Is that okay?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Can you can you just write something that says, I
Joe Biden, or have somebody else write and pretend they're
Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Hereby sweep away any crime committed by any member of
my administration for the last decade or anyone who worked
for me in you know, in in the White House.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Is that is that the use of a pardon power.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I mean, there have to be some limits, and I
think that when you're talking of preemptive to your point,
preemptive pardoning is this also goes to can the president
pardon himself? Legitimate questions that people have been asking for
a long time. Yeah, and again, I don't know that
very many people have really spent a lot of time
on it. You and I talked about it because I
(09:16):
think it's such an interesting question.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Also, it presumes guilt. That's the other aspect of this.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
If I said to you, if I said, right now,
if the President called me up and he was like, Clay,
you need a pardon for the last decade of your activities,
I would say no, Like, I don't think that I've
done anything that would be criminal in nature. When you
pardon the entire p number of your family, it suggests
that there have been a lot of criminal actions that
have occurred when you are doing it preemptively. Again, you
(09:46):
and I were not surprised. A lot of the nation
was when Hunter Biden got his pardon, but the pardon
for the conviction that Hunter Biden got in Delaware and
also for his tax related charges is very.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Very v in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Right, you might not agree with it, but the president's
authority to pardon in that context seems quite clear or legally.
Does the president have the ability to just say to
his brother, hey, you're protected from all crimes for the
last decade.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Does the president have the ability to say, for Liz
Cheney or doctor Fauci or any of these other individuals, hey,
you're protected for the last decade from any charges that
any future administration might try to put on on you. No,
that's not constitutionally permissible.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
It also creates a real sense that some people are
above the law, because there can't even be any public
feeling about what somebody is being pardoned for. If it's
a sweeping pardon that I mean, here's the other thing.
Could you be pardoned for any future, un yet future,
not yet described or committed acts.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I don't think anybody will be okay with that, because
now you're just saying that somebody has there's no legal
authority of the federal government over an American citizen soarly.
It can't be any future act that you commit. It
would have to be a thing already done. And I
do think there is grounds to say you have to
at least say what the thing is right, because what
happened here was, for example, Hunter Biden was pardoned.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It should have it should have had to.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Say Hunter Biden has pardoned for tax evasion, for you know,
for bribery, for money laundering, you know, for the following things,
and you know instead the system. I mean, maybe that's
not how it's generally done, but I think that's how
it should be done. You have to you should have
to be pardoned for a thing that people are aware of.
It can't just be like, yeah, you're good nothing, you
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can do whatever you want, you know. I mean think
think about that as well. You could find out. In
the case of Hunter Biden. I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Maybe some stuff went on that we didn't even know
about that was really bad and then you can't you
can't charge them for that either. It's it's not I
am confident that this is not permissible, and it's why
I said I would challenge it. To me, the autopen
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thing is an additional layer to it, But to me
it feels much more worthy of legal challenge to try
to argue, hey, this is one hundred percent permission. So
do you think Trump is going to see this one through?
Do you think do you think he's he's real deal
on this one? He wants to push this. I think
it actually is less likely to be Trump who is
(12:22):
die hard on this, But I do think there are
some people in the administration who see this legally as
being untenable and want to challenge it going forward. It also,
by the way, is the opposite of executive overreach. You know,
all the people who are saying, oh Trump's a fascist,
Oh Trump's a dictator.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
No, the dictator would be the.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Person who's saying, hey, all my whole family is protected
from criminal charges for a decade. I'm signing this as
I go out. I bet Joe Biden actually signed the
Hunter Biden pardon. By the way, really question also on
the auto pen, was there something in Joe Biden's ability
(13:01):
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In other words, is it possible that his overall ability
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Speaker 1 (14:30):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We were just talking
about the presidential part in authority, and I think it
ties in with one of the big questions that is
underway that we're going to talk with Jim Jordan about
in the top of the next hour, which is one
that we've been debating since the country was founded. What
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is the scope of executive authority and who has the
ability to rein in that executive authority, particularly as it
pertains the border by I was reading this morning in
the New York Times. Right now, Trump is on pace
through February. I know, we're basically halfway through March for
the lowest number of illegal border crossings since nineteen sixty seven.
(15:16):
I mean, I want to repeat that again because I
think a lot of you out there. This is in
the New York Times this morning, the lowest border crossings
since nineteen sixty seven. No one is talking suddenly about
the border. Hardly at all. It's buried on page fifteen
the Darien Gap. You remember when we talked about the
Darien Gap and the tens of thousands of people who
(15:37):
were coming through that treacherous region in Latin America. Almost
no one is even attempting to come through the Darien
Gap right now, meaning the overall flow of illegal immigrants
to our border has basically stopped. This is important because
we were told in a presidential campaign by Kamala Harris
(15:58):
and Joe Biden that the problem with the border was
Congress wouldn't act, and there were many Republicans who actually
signed on and tried to agree with that argument. We
still would like to see Congress act because otherwise a
new president could come in under executive authority and change this.
(16:18):
But all Trump needed to do buck was just enforced
the laws that were already on the books. How many
Republicans really were going There was one that I can
think of. I think it was from Oklahoma if I
remember correct. James Langford from Oklahoma was a clown on this.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah. But was there any was there anyone else on
the Senate side Republicans?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
It's a great it's a great question. There were certainly
some supporters. Yeah, to go back and check when that
when that was, That would have been last summer around July.
Who on the Republican side was willing to go along
with the preposterous Well, now Democrats want to fix the
border just before the election. You know, honestly, it was
such an insult to the intelligence of the American people.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It really was.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Even for Democrats who are in on it anyway, they
had to know, Wow, they're really treating us like a
bunch of idiots. I do think when there are so Look,
there are all sorts of things that people argue about,
and we still don't know what is the right decision.
It's complicated. The data isn't clear. The data is clear here.
All Trump had to do was sign these executive actions.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
And enforce the law, and the border would have shut down.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Biden let ten million plus illegals into this country and
all he had to do was keep the same policies
in place as Trump. Again, we have to celebrate some
victories here, and a lot of media is not talking
about it.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Lowest border crossings.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Since nineteen sixty seven. It's an extraordinary accomplishment. In the
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thanks here on the boarder situation. First off, Tom Holman
trying did not sound like I have a man crush
(19:04):
on Tom Holman. But he is doing phenomenal work, and
he's the right man for the job, and he's a
patriot who's serving his country incredibly well.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Uh here he is.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
When a reporter asks about this alien acts, a law
that has been used to send these trend to Aragua
guys out. A reporter asked Tom Holman about the two
hundred year old law.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
That's what he said.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
Twenty YEA, those claims in your old law to circumvent.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Law not as old as constitution.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
We still pay attention to that, don't we.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I like that it's not as old as the Constitution,
and we still care about that, Clay. Notice, old law
like the Logan Act to jam up, which was never
used and is actually probably unconstitutional on its in itself.
Uh to jam up. General Flynn media is all about it.
This law used to get you know, rapist murderers and
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gang member thugs out of the country. Media is crying
about due process for illegals. We met Tom Homan on
the show a ton and obviously his voice is great
because he sounds like the guy who should be in
charge of the border. This is one of those things
that I do think Trump is right about in a
television era, the central casting element of the person who
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is the communicator in chief of a particular issue and decision.
Tom Homan both looks and sounds like the grizzled veteran
who should be in charge of making sure that our
border is safe. If you asked me to like central cast,
if we were doing a television show or a movie
and you said, hey, who's the guy. What does the
guy look like who's going to shut down the border?
(20:44):
I would say, Oh, it's a guy like Tom Homan.
And his responses when these questions get yelled out are extraordinary.
This is going megaviral. We just played for you, But
remember buck for years. Tom Homan came on this show
and he said, it's really simple. If President Trump's in office,
he will shut down the border, just like we shut
(21:05):
down the border in the first term and Tom Holman's
in office, and again they have shut down the border.
And I do think you will sometimes know when Trump
has huge wins because stories just disappear. They don't give
him credit. Really, they just kind of stopped talking about
an issue. For instance, the price of eggs. Buck has
(21:26):
evidently plummeted in the last ten days or so, and
it's back down to a normal level price of eggs.
I'm not an expert on egg pricing, but my understanding
is that they have essentially come back down to a
normal ish price. Story's going to vanish. For years, as
the price went up, nobody talked about it. Trump's in
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office fifty days. Suddenly he owns the price of eggs.
I'll tell you another one. The stock market. I was
out last week, rough week for the stock market. Suddenly
Trump is responsible for every day's activity in the stock market.
When it comes back up, and it will come back up,
the story will just vanish. They only have these short
(22:10):
lived little narrative arts. Suddenly everybody in the Democrat Party
cares about where the stock prices are. Look, I want
the stock market to go up. My advice to you
in general is the same advice that I follow buy
index funds. I buy s and p five hundred index funds.
On average, Historically every ten years they double. The more
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time you pay attention to stock market prices, the more
likely you are to respond emotionally and make decisions to
sell low and buy high, because that's how most people think.
Oh the prices keep going up, Oh I'm going to buy.
Oh the prices are going down. Oh I'm going to sell.
What is the great line? For more and Buffett be
greedy when others are fearful, and be fearful when others
(22:57):
are greedy, honestly emotional aspects of how to judge this
and look, the stock market was a disaster for the
first two years of Biden, but the overall American economy
is such that even when you have a bad president,
and I think Biden was the worst president in any
of our lives, the stock market didn't completely collapse because
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there were enough red states out there making great decisions,
and enough red state governors to help to allow their
states to be growing dynamically, even while the federal government
policies actually made it more difficult for in general companies
to succeed.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
So I do think the way.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
These narratives just vanishbuck is super interesting in the context
of Trump's successes. You don't hear them trumpet them, they
just vanish. Yes, And I had mentioned this before, and
I did want to play it for everybody so they
could hear it, which is when Bill Maher I was
surprised he went in this direct. Look, Bill's a pretty
(24:01):
Bill's a savvy guy, and he's realized that. And he
knew before the election too. I think where the Democrat
Party was going, which was off a cliff into a
brick wall, pick your metaphor. He knew this because they
went crazy and he was trying to tell them to stop.
He's so crazy, stop being so crazy, and they wouldn't listen.
I was surprised though, that he went in the well,
now Trump is This is the thing with Bill. He
(24:24):
can he can be reasonable even if he's wrong, like
he's wrong on climate change in my mind, but you
can talk to him about it somewhat Trump. He despises
Trump like he has he is Trump arrangement syndrome. Truly,
he has a trumped arrangement syndrome. And he took the
approach with one of his guests who is a former
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leftist or center left, I should say, a former Democrat
who has come over to the Trump side as a
Trump voter. And he's like, well, don't you feel like
you shouldn't have voted for Trump now that we've seen
what's going on? And uh, I was shocked. Here is
how how she explained this. This is Batya Hunger Sargan
on Bill Maher. This is cut twenty five.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Play it.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
And I'm just wondering what you think now we're approaching
two months in. I mean, you must have a feeling.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
In your gut.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Look Linia, and tell me you don't that this is
really going badly and I shouldn't have thrown my lot
in with this team.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
Oh no, I feel the opposite, all right, tell me
why I'm so sorry, Bill, No, no, tell me why?
Speaker 5 (25:29):
No?
Speaker 7 (25:29):
I feel so proud of I mean, I was never
a Republican or a conservative. I was a leftist and
I am still a leftist. I'm just a maga leftist
now because that.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Exactly.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
I raised you, Yes, when I look at what President
Trump ran on and the agenda that he's enacting right now.
He took a Republican party that was built on social
conservatism for interventions and wars and free trade and free markets,
and he basically took an ax to all of those.
During the campaign he said, look, I mean he's pretty
(26:10):
pro gay, that's pretty obvious. He appointed the highest ranking
out gay person, Scott the sent our Secretary of Treasury,
which is incredible, and he sidelined the pro life wing
of his party. Okay, so he believes abortion should be
legal for twelve weeks.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
That's not actually really where he is on it.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
But the point here is, Clay, you know, we could
talk about the abortion thing in more detail, but the
point is the don't you feel badly about how Trump
is doing so far for Trump voters is still a
total misread of where Trump voters are, which is, I
think for most of us who are expecting it to
(26:49):
be good or very good, it is excellent. It has
actually exceeded the expectations of those who had high expectations.
So the notion that anybody would regret it who've voted
for Trump, I just think this goes to Democrats aren't
paying attention to the mood of the country, or they're
just connected from the mood of the country. They just
can't tell Look, if Trump were in any way experiencing
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a backlash or regret, Democrats, as we started off the
show talking about, wouldn't be at historic lows of approval.
In general, the approval rating of the Democrat Party would
not have collapsed if the Republican president were wildly unpopular.
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I don't think anybody, anybody regrets their decision about Trump.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
And look, I mean, buck just quickly. There is a
very good chance.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I think we're going to get a ceasefire in Ukraine
and end that war between Russia and Ukraine within the
first hundred days of Trump's presidency. We have a ceasefire
right now in the Middle East. It's tenuous, hopefully it holds.
That's because of Trump. We have, as we just laid out,
potentially the fewest illegal border crossings since nighte teen sixty
seven at our southern border. We have inflation hitting a
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four year low last week, and we have violent crime
overall on decline in many different cities across America, and
bad guys being put behind bars and kicked out of
the country when they have no business being here.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Again.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
The stock market is basically the only thing you can
point to right now if you are a Democrat and.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Say, oh, it's not going well.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
But the stock market is basically right now as we speak,
the exact same level S and P.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Five hundred that it was on election day.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
So really six months, I mean, you have corrections constantly,
stock prices go up and down, and the fact that
we're sitting and I saw a clip from you and
I watched it over the last week, Buck where you
were laying out, Hey, we've had a sugar high in
the way that much of the government has been dealt
with in terms of the money that's just been the
spigot that's been being paid by Democrats. And there may
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be a little bit of a retrenchment as people recognize
that that sugar high is going away. I did say
that last week, thank you for noting it. And the
Treasury Secretary was on TV this morning This is Cut nine.
Scott Bessant was saying, that's exactly what has happened.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Everybody. We need to face reality play nine.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Top ten percent of Americans are forty or fifty percent
of consumption and that is an unstable equilibrium. The bottom
fifty percent of working Americans have gotten killed. We are
trying to address that we're trying to get rates down,
and could we be seeing this economy that we inherited
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starting to roll a bit?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (29:44):
And look, there's going to be a natural adjustment as
we move away from public spending, the private spending. The
market and the economy have just become hooked. We've become
addicted to this government spending, and there's going to be.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
A detox period, detox period. Of course, there's going to
be a detox period when you've been spending beyond your means,
if you've been running to the mall, I guess, does
anything really go to the mall anymore to spend on money?
But if you've been running to the mall spending ten
grand a month on your credit?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Wife does okay? My mother and my mother in law?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Does? I think? Yes?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I just want I just wonder, like at what point
they're gonna name a chair or something after my wife
at Costco? You know, like, at what point does she
get that honor for spending as much at Costco as
she does? I'll tell you this, fuck you know. I
went downstairs to get my smoothie for lunch, and I
look down and we have a big Costco chili ready
for dinner tonight, and I'm already excited about having Costco chili.
(30:40):
It's my I don't shop I shop at Amazon, and
I shop at Costco. That's like ninety nine percent of
where I buy anything. I love every I'm like your wife.
I love every time I get to go into a Costco.
It's just always a glorious experience. And it's funny too.
I've said, honey, do you want me to go with you?
And she's be like, no, it's fine. I'm like, oh,
It's like it's like she doesn't want me to spoil
it by so asking my my ignorant Costco questions or
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anything like. This is her place, this is her this
is her field trip that she gets to go on
once a week and load up the entire suv full
of things from Costco. So, but look, you a bundle
of money in the process, as one does. She's saving
me nothing but money. It's almost like everything she buys
is free because of all of the savings. And those
of you who are familiar with wife or girl math
(31:25):
are familiar with how that actually goes. She's doing me
a favor by bringing home those big jars of whatever
it is because it's such a good deal. That's exactly right.
That's how girl math works. It's gone popular on TikTok.
We've talked about this before, where women will go on
and say, look at how much I saved, and then
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you know that they sometimes try to talk to the
men in their lives like that's not actually no, But
girl math is you don't spend money, you only save money.
So something's half off. You have saved a massive amount
in the process. So this is the costco is the
perfect example of this.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yes, but back to.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
The economy overall, this is not a surprise to the
administration that there would be a little bit of a
disruption of the market because if you're going to cut
the spigot off of tremendous spending from the federal government
and the expectation that this will just continue, you know
there is you can pay a lot of people to
do nothing, and a lot of people are making money.
(32:25):
The point is we don't want that to continue to happen. Yeah,
so there'll be a little bit of a disruption there.
And that is the only thing that you can point to. Basically,
the stock market, the S and P five hundred down
like fifty one hundred points. I think in the last
six months the only thing you can point to and
be unhappy with, I think, and certainly that's why Democrats
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All right, second hour of playing Buck kicks off now, Clay,
I want to get to a couple of things here.
One was the exchange on Bill Maher where he asked,
I think he threw he would I think he thought
he was throwing a fast pitch down the middle, and
it got absolutely walloped into the upper deck with the
(00:20):
question about do you feel bad about voting for Trump?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Now to someone who voted for Trump.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Will get to that first, though, I did want to
get your take on this, you know last week. First,
last week, Trump made a bunch of references to Canada
as the fifty first state. He does not seem to
be budging off of that one. I believe it is
Trump trolling. I do not have any real thought that
the Canadians are going to become the fifty first state.
(00:45):
There's no process through which that would happen. But then
there's this, and I don't know if this is trolling
or a combination of serious and trolling, but it's seems to.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Be a big deal. This is from his truth. So
Donald J.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Trump, the pardons that Sleepy Joe Biden gave to the
Unselect Committee of Political Thugs and many others are hereby
declared void, vacant, and of no further force or effect
because of the fact that they were done by auto
pen In other words, Joe Biden did not sign them,
(01:21):
but more importantly, he did not know anything about them.
The necessary pardoning documents were not explained to or approved
by Biden. He knew nothing about them, and the people
that did may have committed a crime. Therefore, those of
the Unselect Committee who destroyed and deleted all evidence obtained
by their two year witch hunt of me and many
(01:42):
other innocent people should fully understand that they are subject
to investigation at the highest level. The fact is they
were probably responsible for the documents that were signed on
their behalf without the knowledge or consent of the worst
president in the history of our country, Crooked Joe Biden.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
What do you make of this?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I don't think that this is one the Canada thing.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I think is Trump just having fun and doing what
Trump does and getting a little negotiating leverage. Maybe I
don't think that he's kidding about this. I think he's
quite serious. It's super weird. Let's just say that, whatever
you think about Trump, he has made a very calculated
decision to basically sign all of his executive orders directly
(02:25):
in front of the media, a fix his signature, have
people explaining to the assembled media what the orders that
he is signing do, and then he's oftentimes held them up,
He's passed out pins. He has made it very clear
that he is acting on his authority as the president
of the United States. What rational basis would there be
(02:48):
for an auto pin to be signing executive orders of
this level of significance? And Buck, you'll know this, and
I've bet a lot of people out there certainly have
experienced this. I'm not talking about like you wrote a
letter of your congressman and they like stamp it or
fix an autopen at the signature, you know, to a letter.
I'm talking about when you are acting with the full
(03:11):
force of legal authority. To have an autopen doing it
as opposed to Biden himself doing it is extremely strange,
and I do think it raises the question, was Biden
aware of many of the acts that were being undertaken
by the executive branch under his duly elected authority?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Why would you?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I mean, I think it's like leave aside whether you
agree with the decisions that Biden made, because obviously a
lot of these we don't agree with.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Why would you need to do it via auto pin?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I mean, it's actually a super interesting question. I think
that demands a real answer. And I don't think it's
crazy of Trump to say if Biden wasn't himself sitting
like he should have to sign the Executive Authority Act
Like that doesn't seem like a crazy perspective to take, right. Well,
(04:13):
this is where things get interesting here because Biden was
somebody that we all know now and this is uncontroversial,
had cognitive issues, right, I mean, had dementia. Basically you
had to be a president with dementia. And this is
something that I used to say about Reagan all the time.
They used to always bring up that. They would say
that Reagan had Alzheimer's. Right, That was just meant to
(04:35):
be smirch Reagan's legacy, and this is something that Democrats
through the nineties into the two thousands. Look, Reagan had Alzheimer's.
But what Trump is going after here is he's saying
that you can't. While advisors can push policies to Biden
and he can sign off on it, the power of
part in comes from the president as a person, and
(04:57):
if he does not know of and does not sign
off on a pardon, it is not possible for anyone
else to do so. So if there was an autopen,
like if these signatures that were autopen were also correlated
with pardons that Biden did not himself approve, then you
could consider it to be void.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Essentially.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
That's the idea, Now, can you here? I think the
challenge with this is how would you prove this? I
don't know how you could prove it. And Democrats are
going to say that of course Biden knew, and of
course Biden approved of all of this. And there is
no place in the constitution or in case law that
I'm aware of where a pardon can be The pardon
(05:43):
power is considered to be absolute, right, Pardons can't be
undone because then there's no such thing as a pardon power.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So I don't really see where this is going.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
It might just be trolling, but Trump is pretty serious
about it.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Here is where Buck I would say, and we said
this on the show at the time that it occurred.
Here is where I do think Trump could challenge many
of these Biden pardons. Is it legal to actually preemptively
pardon someone? That to me is a very valid question
that the Supreme Court should have to address because most
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of the people that Biden pardoned have not actually been
charged with any crime. And so to me, the autopen
aspect of this allegation by Trump is intriguing. I would
actually layer it though with on top of this, which
I think is the far more significant argument. Does the
(06:43):
president really have the power to preemptively pardon people from
being charged with crimes, potentially for actions going back a decade? Again,
almost all presidential pardons historically have been for duly adjudicated cases.
That is, is the ostensible purpose of the pardon. Right,
you have been convicted of a crime, you are, in
(07:06):
the President's opinion, worthy of clemency, and therefore you are
going to be given it after a duly adjudicated process,
just saying, Hey, for a decade of actions, you are
unable to be charged with any crime, and I am
preemptively pardoning you. To me, that's the angle that they
(07:26):
should be going after, because I don't think that should
be legal.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
It should at least be known what you're being pardoned.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Correct, that's the entire purpose also, right, because there's reason,
there was thinking behind this, right that there it wasn't
just it didn't just come out of nowhere that there
was this idea that the president should have this very
important authority. This is this goes to decisions made after
(07:52):
the Civil War, for example, how do you handle the
Confederacy right? How do you bring you know, there are
people that wanted there to be much more severe punishments
for some of the particularly the leadership, but it was decided, well, no,
we're going to bring the country together, and so there
was clemency, there were pardons, there were decisions made. You know,
you can see how at baseline there is a need
(08:14):
for presidential pardon or rather why people would think there's
a need for presidential pardons. What about if somebody just
started saying, you know what, anybody who works for me,
you get a you get a total get out of
jail free card for anything you've done over the last
ten years.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah? Is that okay?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Can you can you just write something that says, I
Joe Biden, or have somebody else write and pretend they're
Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Hereby sweep away any crime committed by any member of
my administration for the last decade or anyone who worked
for me in you know, in in the White House.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Is that is that the use of a pardon power.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I mean, there have to be some limits, and I
think that when you're talking of preemptive to your point,
preemptive pardoning is this also goes to can the president
pardon himself? Legitimate questions that people have been asking for
a long time. Yeah, and again, I don't know that
very many people have really spent a lot of time
on it. You and I talked about it because I
(09:16):
think it's such an interesting question.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Also, it presumes guilt. That's the other aspect of this.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
If I said to you, if I said, right now,
if the President called me up and he was like, Clay,
you need a pardon for the last decade of your activities,
I would say no, Like, I don't think that I've
done anything that would be criminal in nature. When you
pardon the entire p number of your family, it suggests
that there have been a lot of criminal actions that
have occurred when you are doing it preemptively. Again, you
(09:46):
and I were not surprised. A lot of the nation
was when Hunter Biden got his pardon, but the pardon
for the conviction that Hunter Biden got in Delaware and
also for his tax related charges is very.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Very v in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Right, you might not agree with it, but the president's
authority to pardon in that context seems quite clear or legally.
Does the president have the ability to just say to
his brother, hey, you're protected from all crimes for the
last decade.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Does the president have the ability to say, for Liz
Cheney or doctor Fauci or any of these other individuals, hey,
you're protected for the last decade from any charges that
any future administration might try to put on on you. No,
that's not constitutionally permissible.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
It also creates a real sense that some people are
above the law, because there can't even be any public
feeling about what somebody is being pardoned for. If it's
a sweeping pardon that I mean, here's the other thing.
Could you be pardoned for any future, un yet future,
not yet described or committed acts.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I don't think anybody will be okay with that, because
now you're just saying that somebody has there's no legal
authority of the federal government over an American citizen soarly.
It can't be any future act that you commit. It
would have to be a thing already done. And I
do think there is grounds to say you have to
at least say what the thing is right, because what
happened here was, for example, Hunter Biden was pardoned.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It should have it should have had to.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Say Hunter Biden has pardoned for tax evasion, for you know,
for bribery, for money laundering, you know, for the following things,
and you know instead the system. I mean, maybe that's
not how it's generally done, but I think that's how
it should be done. You have to you should have
to be pardoned for a thing that people are aware of.
It can't just be like, yeah, you're good nothing, you
(11:39):
can do whatever you want, you know. I mean think
think about that as well. You could find out. In
the case of Hunter Biden. I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Maybe some stuff went on that we didn't even know
about that was really bad and then you can't you
can't charge them for that either. It's it's not I
am confident that this is not permissible, and it's why
I said I would challenge it. To me, the autopen
(11:59):
thing is an additional layer to it, But to me
it feels much more worthy of legal challenge to try
to argue, hey, this is one hundred percent permission. So
do you think Trump is going to see this one through?
Do you think do you think he's he's real deal
on this one? He wants to push this. I think
it actually is less likely to be Trump who is
(12:22):
die hard on this, But I do think there are
some people in the administration who see this legally as
being untenable and want to challenge it going forward. It also,
by the way, is the opposite of executive overreach. You know,
all the people who are saying, oh Trump's a fascist,
Oh Trump's a dictator.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
No, the dictator would be the.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Person who's saying, hey, all my whole family is protected
from criminal charges for a decade. I'm signing this as
I go out. I bet Joe Biden actually signed the
Hunter Biden pardon. By the way, really question also on
the auto pen, was there something in Joe Biden's ability
(13:01):
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In other words, is it possible that his overall ability
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We were just talking
about the presidential part in authority, and I think it
ties in with one of the big questions that is
underway that we're going to talk with Jim Jordan about
in the top of the next hour, which is one
that we've been debating since the country was founded. What
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is the scope of executive authority and who has the
ability to rein in that executive authority, particularly as it
pertains the border by I was reading this morning in
the New York Times. Right now, Trump is on pace
through February. I know, we're basically halfway through March for
the lowest number of illegal border crossings since nineteen sixty seven.
(15:16):
I mean, I want to repeat that again because I
think a lot of you out there. This is in
the New York Times this morning, the lowest border crossings
since nineteen sixty seven. No one is talking suddenly about
the border. Hardly at all. It's buried on page fifteen
the Darien Gap. You remember when we talked about the
Darien Gap and the tens of thousands of people who
(15:37):
were coming through that treacherous region in Latin America. Almost
no one is even attempting to come through the Darien
Gap right now, meaning the overall flow of illegal immigrants
to our border has basically stopped. This is important because
we were told in a presidential campaign by Kamala Harris
(15:58):
and Joe Biden that the problem with the border was
Congress wouldn't act, and there were many Republicans who actually
signed on and tried to agree with that argument. We
still would like to see Congress act because otherwise a
new president could come in under executive authority and change this.
(16:18):
But all Trump needed to do buck was just enforced
the laws that were already on the books. How many
Republicans really were going There was one that I can
think of. I think it was from Oklahoma if I
remember correct. James Langford from Oklahoma was a clown on this.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah. But was there any was there anyone else on
the Senate side Republicans?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
It's a great it's a great question. There were certainly
some supporters. Yeah, to go back and check when that
when that was, That would have been last summer around July.
Who on the Republican side was willing to go along
with the preposterous Well, now Democrats want to fix the
border just before the election. You know, honestly, it was
such an insult to the intelligence of the American people.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It really was.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Even for Democrats who are in on it anyway, they
had to know, Wow, they're really treating us like a
bunch of idiots. I do think when there are so Look,
there are all sorts of things that people argue about,
and we still don't know what is the right decision.
It's complicated. The data isn't clear. The data is clear here.
All Trump had to do was sign these executive actions.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
And enforce the law, and the border would have shut down.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Biden let ten million plus illegals into this country and
all he had to do was keep the same policies
in place as Trump. Again, we have to celebrate some
victories here, and a lot of media is not talking
about it.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Lowest border crossings.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Since nineteen sixty seven. It's an extraordinary accomplishment. In the
first fifty days of the Trump administration, to have pulled
this off. It is amazing and we're not tired of winning. Well,
tell the President you're not tired of winning either. We're
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thanks here on the boarder situation. First off, Tom Holman
trying did not sound like I have a man crush
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on Tom Holman. But he is doing phenomenal work, and
he's the right man for the job, and he's a
patriot who's serving his country incredibly well.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Uh here he is.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
When a reporter asks about this alien acts, a law
that has been used to send these trend to Aragua
guys out. A reporter asked Tom Holman about the two
hundred year old law.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
That's what he said.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
Twenty YEA, those claims in your old law to circumvent.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Law not as old as constitution.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
We still pay attention to that, don't we.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I like that it's not as old as the Constitution,
and we still care about that, Clay. Notice, old law
like the Logan Act to jam up, which was never
used and is actually probably unconstitutional on its in itself.
Uh to jam up. General Flynn media is all about it.
This law used to get you know, rapist murderers and
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gang member thugs out of the country. Media is crying
about due process for illegals. We met Tom Homan on
the show a ton and obviously his voice is great
because he sounds like the guy who should be in
charge of the border. This is one of those things
that I do think Trump is right about in a
television era, the central casting element of the person who
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is the communicator in chief of a particular issue and decision.
Tom Homan both looks and sounds like the grizzled veteran
who should be in charge of making sure that our
border is safe. If you asked me to like central cast,
if we were doing a television show or a movie
and you said, hey, who's the guy. What does the
guy look like who's going to shut down the border?
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I would say, Oh, it's a guy like Tom Homan.
And his responses when these questions get yelled out are extraordinary.
This is going megaviral. We just played for you, But
remember buck for years. Tom Homan came on this show
and he said, it's really simple. If President Trump's in office,
he will shut down the border, just like we shut
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down the border in the first term and Tom Holman's
in office, and again they have shut down the border.
And I do think you will sometimes know when Trump
has huge wins because stories just disappear. They don't give
him credit. Really, they just kind of stopped talking about
an issue. For instance, the price of eggs. Buck has
(21:26):
evidently plummeted in the last ten days or so, and
it's back down to a normal level price of eggs.
I'm not an expert on egg pricing, but my understanding
is that they have essentially come back down to a
normal ish price. Story's going to vanish. For years, as
the price went up, nobody talked about it. Trump's in
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office fifty days. Suddenly he owns the price of eggs.
I'll tell you another one. The stock market. I was
out last week, rough week for the stock market. Suddenly
Trump is responsible for every day's activity in the stock market.
When it comes back up, and it will come back up,
the story will just vanish. They only have these short
(22:10):
lived little narrative arts. Suddenly everybody in the Democrat Party
cares about where the stock prices are. Look, I want
the stock market to go up. My advice to you
in general is the same advice that I follow buy
index funds. I buy s and p five hundred index funds.
On average, Historically every ten years they double. The more
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time you pay attention to stock market prices, the more
likely you are to respond emotionally and make decisions to
sell low and buy high, because that's how most people think.
Oh the prices keep going up, Oh I'm going to buy.
Oh the prices are going down. Oh I'm going to sell.
What is the great line? For more and Buffett be
greedy when others are fearful, and be fearful when others
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are greedy, honestly emotional aspects of how to judge this
and look, the stock market was a disaster for the
first two years of Biden, but the overall American economy
is such that even when you have a bad president,
and I think Biden was the worst president in any
of our lives, the stock market didn't completely collapse because
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there were enough red states out there making great decisions,
and enough red state governors to help to allow their
states to be growing dynamically, even while the federal government
policies actually made it more difficult for in general companies
to succeed.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
So I do think the way.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
These narratives just vanishbuck is super interesting in the context
of Trump's successes. You don't hear them trumpet them, they
just vanish. Yes, And I had mentioned this before, and
I did want to play it for everybody so they
could hear it, which is when Bill Maher I was
surprised he went in this direct. Look, Bill's a pretty
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Bill's a savvy guy, and he's realized that. And he
knew before the election too. I think where the Democrat
Party was going, which was off a cliff into a
brick wall, pick your metaphor. He knew this because they
went crazy and he was trying to tell them to stop.
He's so crazy, stop being so crazy, and they wouldn't listen.
I was surprised though, that he went in the well,
now Trump is This is the thing with Bill. He
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can he can be reasonable even if he's wrong, like
he's wrong on climate change in my mind, but you
can talk to him about it somewhat Trump. He despises
Trump like he has he is Trump arrangement syndrome. Truly,
he has a trumped arrangement syndrome. And he took the
approach with one of his guests who is a former
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leftist or center left, I should say, a former Democrat
who has come over to the Trump side as a
Trump voter. And he's like, well, don't you feel like
you shouldn't have voted for Trump now that we've seen
what's going on? And uh, I was shocked. Here is
how how she explained this. This is Batya Hunger Sargan
on Bill Maher. This is cut twenty five.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Play it.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
And I'm just wondering what you think now we're approaching
two months in. I mean, you must have a feeling.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
In your gut.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Look Linia, and tell me you don't that this is
really going badly and I shouldn't have thrown my lot
in with this team.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
Oh no, I feel the opposite, all right, tell me
why I'm so sorry, Bill, No, no, tell me why?
Speaker 5 (25:29):
No?
Speaker 7 (25:29):
I feel so proud of I mean, I was never
a Republican or a conservative. I was a leftist and
I am still a leftist. I'm just a maga leftist
now because that.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Exactly.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
I raised you, Yes, when I look at what President
Trump ran on and the agenda that he's enacting right now.
He took a Republican party that was built on social
conservatism for interventions and wars and free trade and free markets,
and he basically took an ax to all of those.
During the campaign he said, look, I mean he's pretty
(26:10):
pro gay, that's pretty obvious. He appointed the highest ranking
out gay person, Scott the sent our Secretary of Treasury,
which is incredible, and he sidelined the pro life wing
of his party. Okay, so he believes abortion should be
legal for twelve weeks.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
That's not actually really where he is on it.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
But the point here is, Clay, you know, we could
talk about the abortion thing in more detail, but the
point is the don't you feel badly about how Trump
is doing so far for Trump voters is still a
total misread of where Trump voters are, which is, I
think for most of us who are expecting it to
(26:49):
be good or very good, it is excellent. It has
actually exceeded the expectations of those who had high expectations.
So the notion that anybody would regret it who've voted
for Trump, I just think this goes to Democrats aren't
paying attention to the mood of the country, or they're
just connected from the mood of the country. They just
can't tell Look, if Trump were in any way experiencing
(27:12):
a backlash or regret, Democrats, as we started off the
show talking about, wouldn't be at historic lows of approval.
In general, the approval rating of the Democrat Party would
not have collapsed if the Republican president were wildly unpopular.
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I don't think anybody, anybody regrets their decision about Trump.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
And look, I mean, buck just quickly. There is a
very good chance.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I think we're going to get a ceasefire in Ukraine
and end that war between Russia and Ukraine within the
first hundred days of Trump's presidency. We have a ceasefire
right now in the Middle East. It's tenuous, hopefully it holds.
That's because of Trump. We have, as we just laid out,
potentially the fewest illegal border crossings since nighte teen sixty
seven at our southern border. We have inflation hitting a
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four year low last week, and we have violent crime
overall on decline in many different cities across America, and
bad guys being put behind bars and kicked out of
the country when they have no business being here.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Again.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
The stock market is basically the only thing you can
point to right now if you are a Democrat and.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Say, oh, it's not going well.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
But the stock market is basically right now as we speak,
the exact same level S and P.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Five hundred that it was on election day.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
So really six months, I mean, you have corrections constantly,
stock prices go up and down, and the fact that
we're sitting and I saw a clip from you and
I watched it over the last week, Buck where you
were laying out, Hey, we've had a sugar high in
the way that much of the government has been dealt
with in terms of the money that's just been the
spigot that's been being paid by Democrats. And there may
(29:02):
be a little bit of a retrenchment as people recognize
that that sugar high is going away. I did say
that last week, thank you for noting it. And the
Treasury Secretary was on TV this morning This is Cut nine.
Scott Bessant was saying, that's exactly what has happened.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Everybody. We need to face reality play nine.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Top ten percent of Americans are forty or fifty percent
of consumption and that is an unstable equilibrium. The bottom
fifty percent of working Americans have gotten killed. We are
trying to address that we're trying to get rates down,
and could we be seeing this economy that we inherited
(29:41):
starting to roll a bit?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (29:44):
And look, there's going to be a natural adjustment as
we move away from public spending, the private spending. The
market and the economy have just become hooked. We've become
addicted to this government spending, and there's going to be.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
A detox period, detox period. Of course, there's going to
be a detox period when you've been spending beyond your means,
if you've been running to the mall, I guess, does
anything really go to the mall anymore to spend on money?
But if you've been running to the mall spending ten
grand a month on your credit?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Wife does okay? My mother and my mother in law?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Does? I think? Yes?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I just want I just wonder, like at what point
they're gonna name a chair or something after my wife
at Costco? You know, like, at what point does she
get that honor for spending as much at Costco as
she does? I'll tell you this, fuck you know. I
went downstairs to get my smoothie for lunch, and I
look down and we have a big Costco chili ready
for dinner tonight, and I'm already excited about having Costco chili.
(30:40):
It's my I don't shop I shop at Amazon, and
I shop at Costco. That's like ninety nine percent of
where I buy anything. I love every I'm like your wife.
I love every time I get to go into a Costco.
It's just always a glorious experience. And it's funny too.
I've said, honey, do you want me to go with you?
And she's be like, no, it's fine. I'm like, oh,
It's like it's like she doesn't want me to spoil
it by so asking my my ignorant Costco questions or
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anything like. This is her place, this is her this
is her field trip that she gets to go on
once a week and load up the entire suv full
of things from Costco. So, but look, you a bundle
of money in the process, as one does. She's saving
me nothing but money. It's almost like everything she buys
is free because of all of the savings. And those
of you who are familiar with wife or girl math
(31:25):
are familiar with how that actually goes. She's doing me
a favor by bringing home those big jars of whatever
it is because it's such a good deal. That's exactly right.
That's how girl math works. It's gone popular on TikTok.
We've talked about this before, where women will go on
and say, look at how much I saved, and then
(31:45):
you know that they sometimes try to talk to the
men in their lives like that's not actually no, But
girl math is you don't spend money, you only save money.
So something's half off. You have saved a massive amount
in the process. So this is the costco is the
perfect example of this.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yes, but back to.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
The economy overall, this is not a surprise to the
administration that there would be a little bit of a
disruption of the market because if you're going to cut
the spigot off of tremendous spending from the federal government
and the expectation that this will just continue, you know
there is you can pay a lot of people to
do nothing, and a lot of people are making money.
(32:25):
The point is we don't want that to continue to happen. Yeah,
so there'll be a little bit of a disruption there.
And that is the only thing that you can point to. Basically,
the stock market, the S and P five hundred down
like fifty one hundred points. I think in the last
six months the only thing you can point to and
be unhappy with, I think, and certainly that's why Democrats
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