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May 14, 2024 36 mins
Clay and Buck review part one of their Trump interview: Does Trump really have a chance in blue states like New Jersey, New Mexico and Virginia? The View's Sunny Hostin says there are too many white people at Trump's trial. Nellie Bowles, columnist and author of the new book, “Morning After the Revolution," talks to C&B about what she learned about the lib media while working at the New York Times.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, second hour, Clay and Bucket's going right now.
Just a reminder, in the top of the third hour,
we have more of our exclusive interview with President Trump
from last night after the trial.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
He called in.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
You know, we hung out with the Trumpster for a while,
had a conversation with him about all the things going on,
not just with him here in New York City, but
also you know, the election, saving America.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
The free world, all that good stuff.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
You can definitely and should definitely listen in third hour,
top of the hour. So that'll be right sixty minutes
from now as I speak to you. We remember we
played if you missed it, first hour of the program,
we played the first half of that interview with President Trump.
Go to the iHeartRadio app, which is the best audio
app anywhere, and download it if you don't rehab it.

(00:51):
If you have it, just look up Clay and buck
first hour of the program and boom on demand. The
interview with President Trump said some important stuff covered ground,
like who's on the VP shortlist? Still some maybe have
dropped off recently, He did say, Clay, officially, this is
when you were out NICKI Haley. There was that Axios

(01:11):
piece that said Nicki Haley was in consideration, and then
Trump said, you fired. She is not in consideration as VP.
He did wish her well, though I don't think Trump actually.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Has any.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Well tough to know he's Trump, but I don't think
he bears her any continued agitation or ill will after
what happened with the primary, So how that could be wrong?
That's what's going on there. We also had what am
I leaving out from the first the first part of
the interview you thought was really key. I mean, he

(01:44):
said lee Zelden, name you haven't heard much in a while.
Really an unsung hero of the twenty twenty two election cycle.
I know he didn't win the governorship, obviously, and we
have arguably the worst governor in the country in New
York in Kathy Hochel. That said, he made a heck
of a run of it at a time when the

(02:06):
numbers were really tough and they still are really tough
in New York for Republicans. But I think he helped
deliver really a red Long Island. Long Island now is
a red enclave of New York State. I've spent a
ton of time in Long Island's beautiful place and that
probably tipped the House right. So Leiz Eldon's gubernatorial campaign,

(02:28):
I think as much as it didn't take it all
the way, I think he helped us have imagine, Clay,
what the country looks like at this point and what
would have happened over the last eighteen months if Democrats
had had control in the House and the Senate.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
I mean that we could have been in that world.
You're one hundred percent right about that. What stands out
to me, maybe from the first part of our interview
with Trump the most is and I don't know, it's
always funny to me when we have news making interviews,
what the media picks up on and what they decide
to cover is We've seen a lot with this show
over the years. To me, the most interesting thing he

(03:04):
said in the open was that his polling had him
up one point in New Jersey.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Now that's his polling.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
He also said that they thought they were in play
in Virginia, New Mexico, Minnesota, and maybe New York, which
is what part of the conversation about Leezelden. Now let's
focus on New Jersey for a minute. I went and
looked in twenty twenty, Biden won New Jersey by sixteen points. Now,

(03:38):
some of you out there might be saying, oh, you know,
this is just Trump exaggerating. Buck he had that massive
rally in Wildwood, New Jersey that drew eighty or one
hundred thousand people. I don't think they would be doing
a rally in New Jersey unless they thought that there
was some momentum for them in New Jersey, because otherwise

(04:03):
you would go to the states that you feel like
are going to be the determinative ones. And the reason
why I bring this up is part of being running
for president is not just where you actually go out
and end up winning states. It's also requiring them to

(04:24):
have to spend money on places that should be reliable.
We know Biden's going to have a lot of money,
but Trump going into the Democrat base like New Jersey
and drawing eighty or one hundred thousand is a shot
across the bow, as is saying that their internal polling
has them up won in New Jersey. That would be
a shockwave style of election if that one is close.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Now, look, it's an off election, you're twenty twenty two.
But to compare to twenty twenty that that was in
the you know, the close but no cigar category for Republicans.
There were a number of we wish we had won it,
and we thought we were going to Nobody was really
talking about New Jersey as a possibility in twenty twenty

(05:07):
two for the governor's race.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Twenty twenty one.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
It's an off year election. I'm sorry, twenty twenty I'm sorry,
twenty twenty one. That's why I met virgin Yeah, nobody
was really thinking about it, right Virginia Younkin won twenty
twenty one. I pulled up the numbers Jack Chiatarelli versus
Phil Murphy, who unfortunately won but the Republican Chiatarelli. It
was fifty one forty eight. Yeah, I mean that is

(05:34):
a very for a state that people think of as
solidly blue. That is a very very narrow outcome in
that twenty twenty one off year election. I think Virginia
is in play. I think Governor Youngkin can take a
you know, I mean can't take a bow yet because
we haven't seen it. But I think assuming that's the case,
it will be in part because Youngkin, I think has

(05:56):
done a very good job. Oh another person, by the way,
we can add to our list of Republicans, who are
you serious and competent and could be thought of for
leadership in the future, right you know? Never mind the
guy previously run what was it, Carlisle gro if he
was CEO. So this is a moment I think where
if the Democrats aren't able to stop the momentum, you're

(06:18):
going to start to see certainly money spent in places
that Democrats are going to have to meet with their
own money, which helps it helps the Republican cause.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
I also thought we've heard Virginia and Minnesota. Minnesota ended
up decided by what like one or two points in
twenty sixteen, as Trump ran very strong in the Midwest,
and so Minnesota. If Minnesota goes a read, it would
mean that certainly Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania were likely to

(06:48):
as well. Virginia is the only southern state to the
extent that you want to count Virginia as a Southern
state that Trump has not won so far. But New Mexico,
I haven't heard very many people talk about New Mexico
huge Hispanic population and buck the math right now. If

(07:09):
you look and for instance, use that New York Times
Siena polling.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
If you look at that.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
It has Trump up thirteen in some of their numbers
in Nevada. Remember, Nevada was the only state that flipped
an incumbent. They kicked out the Democrat governor and put
in a Republican in Nevada ended up being very close
in the Senate, going to have another close Senate race.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
But if that.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Hispanic support for Trump is truly real, then the massive
numbers of Hispanic voters in New Mexico, I would bet,
is what would put the state of New Mexico potentially
in play as well. I haven't heard really anybody talk
about New Mexico at all. I thought it was interesting
that Trump mentioned that one. And it has more in

(07:55):
common with say in Arizona and in Nevada than it
would with anything east of the Mississippi in terms of
having a very large Hispanic population. And the important thing
about this is a red wave or a landslide election
only really requires a few points to hit, and then

(08:16):
it sweeps across the country and puts places in play
that we typically would not anticipate being in PLA.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
I think that would be amazing to see.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
I don't know, I think we might want to put
a ban a self imposed show ban on any the
L word landslide, I don't.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
I think we'll.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
We'll talk about it more after the votes are all
in and hopefully we're having a great night on election
night at Clay. You and I both know, man, it's
the Democrats. They are very, very resilient. They will come
up with something where they have to how they have
to the fact that Joe Biden is president now to

(08:58):
me is the best like living and a parent example
of the strength of their election machinations.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Both Yeah, you know, is listed a word ilicit? And listen?
Is listen a word? Can I say that?

Speaker 1 (09:12):
I've never heard listen? I don't think it's a word, right,
So listen? And what's the other thing. What's the opposite
of elicit? I'll find out legal?

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Legal right?

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Elicit is beyond the law, I think so. I think
the opposite of elicit would just be this is legal.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
There we go. You learn something new every day. I
think I'm right on that.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
But they You're right that they have the machinations in
place to turn out. I think the challenge they've got
is the difference was they sold.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
An unknown in twenty twenty with Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
According to vocabulary dot com Listit is in fact a
word and the opposite of illicit boom. Everybody what we
learned together on this show five hundred stations and we're
all learning as.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
One does listit just mean basically legal. Yeah, it's like allowed, yeah,
not prohibited.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah yeah. So to me and I think he got it.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
This the only way to win if you're worried that
they're going to rig the election, which I know many
of you are concerned, I think justifiably after what we
saw in twenty twenty one, is do what Georgia did.
I think Georgia has strengthened their elections thanks to Governor
Brian Kemp. I think it's way harder to cheat, and

(10:32):
so you can be far more confident in the outcome.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
There. That's one option.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
I'm glad you didn't ask Trump about Brian kep by
the way, and if you would have taken a very
different direction. The other one is just have a lot
of people acknowledge that the person who is in office
right now is not doing a good job. And the
reality is this buck in the twenty first century, we've
only had one race where both sides said yeah, I

(10:59):
pretty much one hundred percent agree with the result, or
where the losing side couldn't go back and look at
the returns and say, boy, if we had just done
a better job in eight counties in Ohio, we could
have changed the outcome of a race. Only two thousand
and eight was not close. I think just about everybody
out there acknowledges Obama beat McCain fairly solidly. Every other

(11:23):
race two thousand, two thousand and four, twelve, sixteen, and twenty.
You could go back into the numbers and you could
reconfigure them just a minute degree and get a different outcome.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
And here's why I'm bringing this up. Trump is now up,
according to the polling, pretty comfortably in Georgia, Nevada, and Arizona.
If he flipped those three states, Buck, do you know
what the race would come down to? Obviously the big
ten states Minnesota, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. But Biden right

(11:57):
now is the betting market favorite in all those states.
If Biden won all those states, the election would come
down to Omaha, Nebraska.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Wow, you're we're going back to the Omaha Omaha Nebraska.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
I want everybody out there in Nebraska to think about that.
That's where the math is as we sit here five
and a half months out. If the betting markets were
right about everything, Biden would win two seventy to two
sixty eight based on one electoral vote that he would
win in Omaha, Nebraska.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
That'll really help political polarization in this country. Yeah, no kidding,
that's gonna that's going to bring us all together. Biden
wins by Omaha, that would be a tough one for us,
but we were we're hoping it's not going to come
down to that because there'll be some other very big
wins for Republicans. But we have to keep pedal to
the medal. We take nothing for granted. It's really on

(12:49):
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We'll take
some of your calls a little bit later in the programs,

(14:37):
we're gonna be joined by Nelly Bowles, who's got a
new book out uh and I think you guys are
really going to enjoy that. She writes now at the
Free Press, which is a I would say, sane, moderate,
somewhat normal news outlet, which used to be common. We'll
talk with her here in a little bit.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
But speaking of the opposite of saying and moderate and normal,
Sonny hostin one of the resident dumbs on the View,
they have not accepted my offer to come on their
program after last week when I got ripped. Just as
an update, she went on and said, there's way too
many white people at Donald Trump's trial.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Listen, Sonny result when she was sent there, So what
didn't you.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
I was in the courtroom again yesterday.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yes, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
What I want to do is.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
Give a little color to the courtroom, because a.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Lot of people have redo that.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
No, no, no, little color.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
I mean that literally in figuratively.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
The color of the people in the courtroom bothered, Sonny Houston.
The courtroom is opened to any I don't know how
Sonny Houstin got in. I'm guessing she got a special
media pass. But my understanding is people start winding up
at two and three am to get some of the
limited public seats in the courtroom. Based on what I've read,

(15:56):
there isn't that much access. This is not a monstrously
huge courtroom. But imagine going to watch this first trial
ever of a former president, and your takeaway when you
come back on your national show is not about the
case at all, but about the color of the people
sitting in the courtroom. I don't know how you could
even focus on a more race obsessed non story than

(16:19):
who's going and sitting in the court room. I wonder
if there's a secondary market that has emerged, like they
have for when they give out Broadway tickets to different things,
where you can pay someone to stand in line for us.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
You can read it, Yes, this is the world.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
We pay to reserve seats basically to show up there
and hold a seat starting at two.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Thirty and three o clocks, because really, it then becomes
just a I observed a piece of history thing. I
think there are people that want to be in that
courtroom just so they can say they were in it
at some point. I mean, if we could go back
in time, if you could sneak into the oj trial,
just for a day, which was a far bigger trial, well, yeah,
far bigger in terms of media coverage in this The
implications for the country are actually, I think much bigger

(17:05):
from this one. But yeah, it'd be interesting going there
for a day. So I'm I'm curious to see, you know,
how people that have watched this and have been there
as they continue to filter out and tell more and
more about this. I just think, Clay, I have not
seen a single day of this trial so far where

(17:26):
I thought, oh, wow, they're actually getting what they want
and this is bad for Trump, you.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
I haven't had I agree, there has been a single moment.
They keep running these headlines like do you realize that
Stormy Daniels allegas Trump had sex with her and she
was a porn star.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, we've known that for years. Nobody cares.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
That's the problem they're running up against is I think
the people who are truly obsessed with this have been
reading about it for years. To my knowledge, nothing new
has really come out at all so far in any
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Speaker 1 (18:55):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck here in studio with today.
Nellie Bowles gonna talk to us about her new book
Morning After the Revolution Dispatches from the Wrong Side of History.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
She's here in studio with me. Clay.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
She is formerly a New York Times correspondent, so she
is a refugee from the communist camp and we have
much to discuss with her, and her book is actually
about this.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
To some degree. So let's start with it.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Oh and we want to talk about the Free Press
as well, which is the media company that you and
Barry Clay Weiss. Yes, Barry Wise has founded with her
and they're both you guys are married and also founded
this company together. It's doing very very well, Nellie. Let's
start with Morning After the Revolution. So I did read
the first two chapters, and it was fun because I

(19:48):
got to sit there and say, so the New York
Times is as insane from the inside as me, an
outsider who grew up in New York City thinks it is.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
Well, first of all, just say it's a pleasure to
be here, very nice to see you. And I don't
think there are enough American flags around me in this.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Studio or American flags.

Speaker 5 (20:08):
There need to be more. There's some mall space that
doesn't have American flag on it. Yeah. So I wrote
the book as really an insider in prestige media, I
think that what was going on at the New York Times,
which anyone from the outside can obviously see what's happening inside,
more or less, I think what was going on there
was also going on within NPR, within half a dozen

(20:32):
of the prestige media brands. And it's basically a movement
to say, don't report on anything that isn't beneficial, specifically
to the Democratic Party and to our sort of politics
of the day. And that's just a really boring way
to be a writer, Like, that's not a way, it's
not fun. You can't be curious. And you're seeing now.

(20:56):
I don't know if you saw last week the editor
in chief of the New York Times came out and said,
in a major earth chattering statement, the New York Times
is not in the business of helping promote Joe Biden,
and we need to stop that sort of.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Advertation advocacy journal.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
And I think the fact that he needed to say
it is unbelievable, but it's amazing that he needed to
make the statement. It was of course controversial that he
made it, but yeah, So it's a book about the
last few years which I think we all can see
everyone went a little crazy and now is starting to
come to their senses.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Way, it's like she takes a little surveillance camera and
we get to know what it's like inside the writing
of the Daily Communist Manifesto over in Times Square.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Well, look, I'm a longtime New York Times subscriber. I
subscribe to the Washington Post, I subscribe to the Wall
Street Journal. I read everything, as you have to do
when you're doing a show like this, to try to
familiarize yourself with all arguments. So I have a couple
of questions, and I'm curious if you address them in
the book, And thanks for coming in studio with us
in New York, where Bucket is right now. So one,

(22:02):
is Trump in your mind a cause of this? Or
is he merely a symptom and he's not really the cause?
I'm curious how you would assess that.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
That's second part of this, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Second part of this, because I don't know the answer,
and I think it's a great debate. Second part of this,
how much of it do you think is subscription based?
In other words, instead of having an advertiser business, which
is you want as many people as possible to read
the paper. Now you're basically selling to the diehards, which
is a different business model. Those are two questions. I

(22:35):
don't know what your answer would be, but I'm curious
how you would assess them.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
Those are both great questions I try to wrestle with
in the book. I think if you look at how
The New York Times is doing as a business, it's
doing great. Yeah, And that's because, as like you said,
as it pivoted from being an advertiser business, where Macy's
and Clorox just want maximum eyes, they don't necessarily the

(23:00):
actually really don't want it to just be limited to
this political group or that political group. So you're incentivized
to serve a broader audience. But as it pivots to
a subscription business, the logical thing to do is to
serve those subscribers. And what those subscribers want is red meat.
They want to be told every single day the same

(23:20):
bad things about Trump, things that it's not like it's
lies necessarily, other than like lies of omission. Sometimes there's lies.
But they want to be given the red meat of
anti Trump content every day, and they want the paper
to be their sword in the world, to be there
to be their soldier out there fighting for them, and

(23:41):
that's what they're paying for, the subscription. And the Times
courted that with the advertising model and with with their
with not the advertising model, with the advertising campaigns around
framing themselves as the subscriber's sword in the world. Now,
as for did Trump and his.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Rise, did he break them?

Speaker 1 (24:00):
This is we talked about emotionally. Did he emotionally break
them or is it just the last straw?

Speaker 5 (24:07):
I'm going to go on the side of yeah, I
think Trump emotionally broke them a little bit. I think
his wildness and his lack of like traditional decorum made
it so the Democrats became a little wild and lost
their sense of traditional decorum. Because if you think about
all the old values of the old journalists and things,

(24:29):
it's it's a lot of it is like a manners
and decorum and sort of like this is how we
like to act, and this is what we like to
you know. The idea of objectivity is an aspiration. Yeah,
And so then you've got the Times definitely reacting, you
have the whole liberal intelligentsia definitely reacting. I don't think

(24:52):
that's an excuse though. I don't think you can say, oh,
I just got a note saying no cursing.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
No, it's okay, it's just we're on broadcast radio. I wish,
I wish we could just let you let it fly.
But unfortunately there are there are limitations. There are limitations. Look,
we were talking, we were talking to Trump last night.
He's he's a He's Trump. You can't even really begin
to describe it. I think at this point it's fair
to say he's the most famous person on the planet.
He's the most polarizing person in the United States of

(25:22):
any real magnitude politically, and so the question as to
whether or not he broke them up, I could say this,
I grew up here in New York City. My family
were New York Times subscribers. Growing up, most of the
people that grew that were around me. I think I've
grown up to be a bide in, voting Obama, voting Democrats,
et cetera. And it's very clear though that even they

(25:45):
recognize what you said about the creation of the New
York Times, or the perception of the New York Times
as the sword in the world for the left. Trump
there was like an explicit shift right of now the
truth is anti Trump. Therefore anti Trump is the truth.
And that changed. I think that we saw that The
Washington Post saw that The New York Times, we.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
Saw that NBR came out proudly and said, we're not
covering the Hunter Biden.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Right because that would help the enemy.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Effectively, we're proudly we're speaking to Nelly Balls or book
by the Way, Morning after the Revolution Dispatches from the
Wrong Side of History, and I just say, our producer
Ali Clay read the entire thing. We get books, We
get books and top books, the top books. We get
like books for people I've never heard of before, books
and foreign languages, like we got books everywhere here for

(26:32):
one of our producers to go and read it cover
to cover and then make sure that Nelly comes on
I think says something about what's in it.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
I just want to pose this one to you, Nelly.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
The For me, actually, it felt like the Tom Cotton
op ed was.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
I know a lot of people felt this way. A
turning point.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
A sitting senator making an argument on the editorial page
is unacceptable to the rest of the tribe, so to speak.
Inside the Times, how did that play out?

Speaker 5 (27:00):
I think, I mean, at this point We've all read
a lot about how that played out, and how it
played out was basically internally within the Times, every good
reporter had to get together and tweet the same tweet.
We were all supposed to tweet that this off ed
puts our black colleagues in danger, that a sitting senator
saying to call in cops, to call in the National

(27:22):
Guard to quell some of the riots puts our colleagues
somehow in danger. And if you didn't post that message,
you were on the wrong side, and you would start
people would notice, they reach out. Yeah, And so I
was never canceled. I'm not here like with a tiny

(27:43):
violin complaining like our life is great, we now have
the free press, like things are fabulous. But at the
time when I was there as a staffer, when I
didn't post the tweet and try to cancel that the
young editor who was behind that op ed, or was
one of the editors behind it, that was kind of

(28:03):
my end of my time there. It was sort of
the line drawn in the sand by the movement, and
it said you have to post something irrational, you have
to post something that we all kind of know is
a lie. The opbed doesn't put lives in danger. But
you have to do that, and if you don't, then
you're clearly not with us and so. And that's not

(28:23):
coming from the top down. That's coming bottom up. And
I think a lot of what we're seeing in these
companies and in universities too right now, with what's going
on campus, it's it's bottom up, and then the leadership
crumbles to it. So obviously, then the editor, the opinion
section editor at the Times, after that piece Ran had
to resign. Was basically fucking a forced resignations deputy.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Also, the last question for you, I encourage everybody to
go check it out and also check out the Free Press.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
Let me tell you to check out the Free Press.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Having read this book, I did a little bit of
player managing myself when I ran out Kick and then
I saw to Fox. I'm curious for you to analyze
what you think the future is of news and journalism.
I'm sure you thought about it a lot as you
wrote the book. You're having a lot of success at
the Free Press, which is a subscriber based platform. You're
a player manager, I would imagine in some ways, along

(29:16):
with your wife and trying to manage this new era
of journalism and news. Are you optimistic that we come
through the Trump era, however it ends, and news is
in a better place. Or do you think we fragmented
and blown up to such an extent that everybody just
goes and finds their shard of reality and there is

(29:36):
no sort of cohesive news industry anymore.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Where are we going?

Speaker 5 (29:40):
I think the new world of media upstarts is obviously
so exciting. Guys like real players who are coming up
to push against the legacy press and to have the
old values but in slightly new formats. What are we
at the Free Press. We're a newsletter that's now a website,
we have a the podcast. We're not doing anything revolutionary

(30:02):
in terms of form. What's revolutionary is we're doing old
fashioned journalism with the skill sets and the values of
the old world, but the freedom and curiosity of the new.
And I'm really optimistic about us, obviously, but others too.
I'm optimistic about a bunch of new media up starts.
And then what in my dream world happens is then

(30:25):
all of these upstarts start to pressure the legacy media
to be more honest, to get better, to improve itself,
and so Hopefully the free press ends up making The
New York Times a better place and making NPR a
better place. Hopefully it makes a better ecosystem, a more
honest one. I think no one wants to be lied to,
and no one wants even your political adversaries, no one

(30:46):
wants them fed lies.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
I'm excited about the future as well. This is great.
I'm gonna read the book. To Bucks point Ally's point,
we get a lot of books. I'm very fascinated to
read yours. Keep up the good work. Congrats on the
book coming out, and hopefully we'll talk to you again soon.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
Thank you so much for having me on your producers.
A very smart woman, weird story.

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(32:47):
him on several times between now and the election. In fact,
we'll talk about that a little bit with him during
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But also, if you're out in your car right now,
let's say you just got in, you're like, okay, good,
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So if you just want to hear Trump for the
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to go listen to that there. Thanks Toanelli Bowls. By
the way, I'm going to read that book too. Morning
after the Revolution, you and I were talking about how
more competition in media is good overall, we think for

(33:32):
an industry that is quite frankly broken in many ways.
And we want to say also, Michael Mason video Guru,
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They're very cute couple, the two of them. And they
also have an adorable Boston Terrier. So that's near and
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and many decades of health, happiness and love ahead of you.
And Michael, thank you for all the great work you
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President Trump here. You have not heard this if you're

(36:22):
listening to right now. This has not aired before. It
is our interview with President Trump. We talked to him
for a while last night, hanging out with Big Tea himself,
and we're gonna bring you the latest. He talks about
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That's all coming up. Trump stick around

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