May 16, 2024 • 36 mins
More discussion of Harrison Butker's speech. A genderless society will collapse. Clay takes calls on the Harrison Butker controversy. Women and men distrust each other. The breakdown of the black family. NBC documentary "Queer Planet" on gay animals.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome again our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Reaction pouring
in to the controversy of Harrison Bucker and his speech
at a Catholic college we have shared and I just
retweeted the clips themselves if you want to go watch them,
(00:22):
and again, I think it's an illustrative moment in how
we talk dishonestly about what true controversy is. And I
do think and I'm going to take some of your
calls here in a moment. A couple of things that
are going on the cross examination of Michael Cohen continuing
in the Trump trial in New York City. We talked
(00:42):
about yesterday the agreement that there would be a June
and September presidential debate. There also now is an agreed
upon date for the vice presidential debate. I'll ask the
team it's going to be in July, I believe, But
the exact date of that vice presidential debate we will
grab for you and share here on the show soon.
(01:05):
I haven't seen the official date yet, if the team
will give me the official date. And the reason why
I bring that up is it could implicate certainly would
seem to implicate the day by which Donald Trump must
have to make a decision on who his vice president
is going to be, so that that vice president could
have the opportunity. One of those vice presidential contender is
going to be talking with us in roughly an hour
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when Tulca Gabbard will join this program. So that is
where we are headed. One thing that I don't think
gets talked about enough though in this controversy surrounding Harrison
Butker's analysis of both men women gender roles and what
it means to be Catholic in modern society is there
is still a major age gap because of biology in
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when men and women have to make decisions. And I
definitely don't think this gets talked about enough, and I'm
going to be candid with you. I don't think a
lot of young men think about it very often. Now.
I became a dad at twenty eight years old. There
are all different sorts of ages at which men become dads.
So I've got a sixteen year old son now, one
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that will be off in college soon. And for someone
who went to law school and didn't finish his education
until twenty five years old, twenty eight is a relatively
young dad, if, for instance, you are a lawyer or
you are a doctor out there and you go on
to get an advanced degree. I never really thought much
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about at what age I needed to become a father,
because in my mind, I could become a dad in
my thirties and my forties and my fifties without really
having to think very much, because men can have children
for their whole lives, and I think there are a
lot of men who contemplate that and in the back
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of their mind. It's why there isn't sort of this
age crunch. If you're thirty three and you are a
guy and you're out there dating, you don't have a
biological clock really ticking in your head the same way
a thirty three year old woman would. Well, when you
are telling women, go get your education, go get your
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graduate degree, begin to climb the corporate ladder, a thirty
two year old woman and her perspective on career is
very different than a thirty two year old man's perspective
on career. And I don't even hear anybody hardly ever
talk about that, but I think it's a huge reason
why there is not necessarily a meeting of the minds
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in the same way. Because a thirty two year old guy,
you can think, hey, I don't have any rush, I
can have kids whenever I want. I'm going to focus
completely on my career. A thirty two year old woman
really has a major in her mind. Time crunch a foot,
so if you're working all the time. I'm trying to
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think from the perspective of women, which I don't think
gets talked about enough, given that women are getting advanced degrees.
For instance, in my law school class, there were more
women than there were men. That was a new thing.
But women are getting sixty percent of college degrees. Now,
women are overwhelmingly going to grad school. You're not coming
out of grad school till you're twenty five or twenty
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six years old. And if you come out of grad
school at twenty five or twenty six years old and
you spent one hundred thousand dollars or more to get
that graduate degree, yeah, a lot of times have loans.
You're going to get run right into the process by
which you become a professional, start to play at payoff
those loans, and thirty happens really fast. And I don't
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know that there's a lot of discussion going on about
the challenges that that brings to bear, and then I
think you're ending up with a lot of women, the
number of women that I know personally who are incredibly
successful that can't find men and are now freezing their
eggs because they're terrified about not being able to have children,
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because they're sitting there at thirty four, thirty five years old,
very successful, but cannot find a man that they want
to be married to. Because a lot of men candidly
are not, let's be honest, not really pursuing masculine ideals.
I think this is the downside of sort of this
genderless society that we're creating. Maybe I'm old school. I
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said in the first hour, it made me physically ill
that I didn't make enough money that my family could
not have me take care of them completely based on
what I earned. Because to me, again you can say
I'm a caveman. To me, a man should pursue success
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such that he can take care of his entire family.
That to me is the primary goal of a man.
Take care of your children, take care of your family,
And historically that was the primary province of masculinity. Be
as successful as you can to take care of your
entire family. Now, there can be challenges with that. For men,
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a lot of you out there listening have probably struggled
with work life balance. I work all the time and
have for about fifteen years, eighty hour or more weeks.
My dad worked forty hour weeks. I think he's a
better dad than I have been. I've had more financial success,
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but he focused more on parenting. He also became a dad,
by the way, a little bit later. I think a
lot of men are better dads later. He was almost
thirty five when I was born. I was twenty eight
when mine was born. It's tough when you're in your
twenties and your thirties. You're going full speed and you're
trying to build a career. Now I've had success, and
some of you notice, I try to take vacations with
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my family. You know, every time I'm not on the show,
I get an email from people saying, why are you
taking off? Why are you not there? Because this job,
while I love it, it doesn't define me. It's what
I do, it's not what I am. And I've come
to that now that I'm in my forties. Hey, we
went to Australia. I always wanted to go to Australia.
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My boys are growing up, you get off to college,
they're going to be busy. Really, we try to travel
around Christmas because a lot of you know, that's like
the only time when sports season isn't going on for kids,
it's when they don't have the extracurricular activities. I took
them to Australia last year. I took them to Italy.
I'm going to be doing the showdown from the beach
during Memorial Day Week. I'm fortunate I've got a studio
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to use down there, but I want to be spending
as much time with my kids as I possibly can.
I work all the time, probably too much, if you're
being honest, if you were going to criticize me, because
in the back of my mom I'm always thinking about
that feeling of having my kids in daycare and feeling
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like a failure because I wasn't providing enough for my
family such that my wife didn't have to work. By
the way, my wife's brilliant, probably smarter than me in
terms of testing, for sure. Vanderbilt Law grad Vanderbilt graduate
of the Grad School there, University of Michigan Grad. Sorry,
Ohio State fans. I'm not saying that women can't work
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or should it work, or by the way, that the
woman can't be the primary bread winner in a household.
That's certainly possible in many different societies. I'm saying the
goal should be to provide choice to your family to
do whatever is best for them. And by the way,
there's a big difference. I think most moms and dads
would acknowledge between taking care of a kid when they're
two or three years old or a newborn, and taking
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care of a kid when they're ten, going back to
school when somebody's when your kids are in school all
the time, more going and taking a full time job
when your kids are in school all the time is
something that I think makes a lot of sense for
many families. And so the idea that a man saying, hey, men,
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you need to do a better job, and women, you
need to think about what does success look like in
your life? Is it going to be climbing the corporate
ladder such that when you're thirty seven, you're childless and
you look around and you say to yourself, boy, I
really feel fulfilled here, or is it going to be
acknowledging that you're trying to balance many different things in
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a way, frankly because of biology, that men don't have
to have these contemplated thoughts. And by the way, if
you have kids, there's a reason biologically why a lot
of twenty four year old girls are like a decade
older in their mental maturity than twenty four year old boys.
You notice this. A lot of young men are total knuckleheads.
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I always like to say, there there's a reason why
no woman has ever had her final two words be
watch this. Men do stupid things to get women's attention
for most of our lives. Watch this next thing. You know,
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he's jumping off the diving board and he's he's knocked
himself out jump too high off of a diving board.
Women never say watch this and then do something stupid.
Men do it all the time. Watch this. I'm gonna
light these eight fireworks together all at once. Oh, there's
my hand, it's gone. Men do stupid things all the
time to try to get women's attention. The younger the
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men are, the dumber they are. And this goes to
crime too. You ever notice how Grandpa's they never rob banks.
You never see somebody on a walker trying to get
away with one hundred thousand dollars in cash that he
just took out of a bank. As men get older,
we get smarter make better decisions. Every man listening to
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me right now can think back on something he did
between the ages of sixteen and twenty four that in
retrospect he's like, yeah, I probably should have died. And
by the way, if you can't do it, then you
have a friend that you one hundred percent are amazed
he's still alive because he made such maronic decisions for
much of your youth. So men mature later than women,
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and even now a lot of men don't mature. You
know what the data reflects in this ancient, anxious generation
the Jonathan Hate Book, women are having high levels of
suicidal ideation thirty percent of teenage women because of they
think social media. The Internet impacts genders differently. Boys buy
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and large get seduced by porn and video games, and
a lot of them fail to launch as a result.
They don't actually have ambition, They don't pursue anything, and
so they sit around in their house. And there's probably
some of you right now with teenage boys twenty something
boys in your house. They move back in and they're
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sitting around playing video games, looking at porn all day.
They don't even date. You know, this is a big issue.
Because of the access of porn. A lot of men
don't even interact with women anymore. So Harrison Buker saying, Hey,
there's a lot of things that are going wrong. Maybe
we should address them, Maybe we should acknowledge them. Maybe
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we should have these big national discussions and debates. Maybe
the marketplace of ideas should actually work. Maybe the national
malaise that we all feel collectively gripping this country, a
failure of purpose, of basically ambition on behalf of both
men and women pursuing the wrong goals because we think
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they're more remunerative than maybe they actually are. That seems
like a big nowtional debate and discussion that we should
be having as a country. And then somebody comes out
and points out some of these things, and immediately the
NFL says, oh, our dei vice president understand these are
unacceptable views. What what did he say that's unacceptable or
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even controversial? I always say, I say what Seventy five
or eighty percent of Americans agree with and it's considered
controversial because the twenty five percent or the twenty percent
has to shepherd what's allowed to be said, and so
they attack somebody like me. Go read out Kick Company,
I sold three years ago to Fox. It's the least
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controversial sports site on the planet. Yet it's the only
sports site on the planet that will say, yeah, women's
sports shouldn't have men pretending to be women. We don't
think it's heroic that a man could win a swimming
contest and have a penis going against a woman. Oh
my god, that clay that out kicks my boy. They're
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super controversial. Oh yeah, really, I would actually suggest that
a man pretending to be a woman and winning a
women's championship is actually the controversial thing. Not pointing out
this subsurdity going on right now in Australia as we speak,
five dudes pretending to be chicks dominating an Australian soccer league.
Pointing at that and saying yeah, that's wrong, as we
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did today on OutKick, that's not controversial. Saying that a
lot of women are being sold a bill of goods
and likely to end up happier married with children that
by pursuing simply career success. That a lot of men
out there are failing to be the heads of households,
and as a result, society is failing its children. That
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all seems readily apparent to me. We know the problem.
Maybe it's time to actually have these conversations and discuss solutions.
But no solutions. Oh that's too controversial. I promise I'll
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the program. Buck, we'll be back with me tomorrow. A
lot of you want to weigh in a variety of
different topics out there. Brenda and Milwaukee. What you got
for us?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I appreciate your introspection as a man and as a dad.
You spoke to this issue much more eloquently than Bucker did.
But as a conservative woman and a mom and a
career lady, I think what kind of rankled a lot
of women, including me, is that when he told all
the women in the room that they've been lied to.
You know, a great job and your degree gails, but
we all know you'd rather stay home and be a
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wife and mother. Right. That was very I don't know,
dismissive a little bit. Man's fining baby in there? Is
this just a huge gender based assumption.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And let me ask you this, if a woman had
said the exact same thing to the women graduates, what
would your thoughts have been?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I would have also been irritated by that. Okay, I
think that. I mean, all we want is, like like
you said a minute ago, is just the choice. It's
just the choice, you know, not to assume that that's
everybody's goal.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
How many kids do you have?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I have three, three girls?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
And did you work the whole time while you were
raising the three girls?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I did. I was lucky. I'm in a medical field.
I'm a nurse practitioner. I was a bedside nurse when
they were little, so I did shift work and I
was able to be home with them a lot, go
on field trips. But I also made more money than
my now ex husband, so I had the best of
both worlds.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Well, actually stick with me, because I'm curious. I would
like to ask you a question. What if your ex
husband had made a ton of money and you didn't
have to work at all? What would your thought process
have been then? But I do appreciate call A lot
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Welcome back in, Clay, Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. A lot of you
want to weigh in with what we've been talking about.
We're gonna talk with Telsey Gabbard here at the top
of the next hour controversy about Harrison Buttker's comments, and
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we are rolling through some of these calls. Brenda and
Milwaukee was with us. Brenda, you raised three daughters. Congratulations,
happy belated Mother's Day, and you worked. I believe as
a nurse practitioner. If I'm remembering our call as we
went to break, I asked you to hang on question
for you and you can correct me if I got
any of that wrong, because I tried to remember it
over the commercial break. If and you said you had
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an ex husband, If your husband, if your husband had
been a millionaire like Harrison butker Is, and he had
come to you and he says, hey, we've got three daughters.
Your job is great, but I'd like for you to
be able to stay home with the girls. You would
have that choice. What choice do you think you would
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have made as a mother if you'd had a millionaire
husband who made plenty of money for the family to
be taken care of.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I mean, that's a very rare occurrence, let's be real true.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
But it doesn't have to be a million dollars right
depending on where you live. There could be a lot
of people out there if whether it's the breadwinner, to
be fair, can be a man or a woman, and
a lot of the country, if you make one hundred
thousand dollars a year, you can live a very good
life for family, which is what a lot My parents
neither one ever made more than fifty thousand dollars a year.
I think the most they ever made as a combined
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couple was sixty five thousand dollars a year. They both
had to work. But there's a lot of parts of
the country still where you make one hundred thousand dollars
a year, you can live pretty well. But I'm giving
you a big number there for a million. In other words,
for you personally, how much of your decision to work
was a financial requirement versus a that you just loved
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working so much more than you would have loved being
able to be a full time mom.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, that's something I've asked myself before. I would have
had to have a very wealthy husband for me to
not want to work. Yeah, And it's not that I
need to be this big career lady. It's just that
I felt like I had something to offer. And I
tell you now that I'm in my late forties and
my kids are in college and they're not home, I'm
glad I have this. You know, I've got this fulfilling
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career in something to focus my energy on.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That totally makes Thank you for the call, burn, That
totally makes sense. And that's why again, to me, the
key here is choice. Choice is a luxury in life.
If you have financial security, you have flexibility. You can
decide to work, you can both decide to work, you
can do different things. A lot of moms out there,
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in my experience may take off when their kids are
super young and then go back to work when they
go back into school. I think there's a variety of
different perspectives out there. But for me, as a husband
and as a father, I can tell you that our life,
and I think my wife would say the same thing,
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Our life got one thousand percent better when only I
had to work, not a little bit better, one thousand
percent better. And by the way, given how much it
cost for childcare, I say this and I still can't
believe it. It would have been cheaper for me to
have two kids enrolled at the University of Tennessee for
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college than it was to have a two year old
and a four month old in daycare. How crazy is that?
So so many people out there work to put your
kid into daycare, and I think a lot of families
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end up coming to that calculus where you say, man,
I make forty thousand dollars a year, but I have
to pay forty five thousand dollars a year for childcare.
Does this really make sense? Is the dual income strategy
really paying off here? Margie in North Dakota? What you
got for me?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Hi?
Speaker 4 (23:05):
I guess in my thought, it's how you interpret what
mister Butker was saying. I just feel that he was
talking to many young women who wanted to start their careers,
and he just assumed everybody wanted to be a mom.
Forty one years ago, I walked across the stage and
got a criminal justice degree in a psychology degree, and
ten years ago I retired from the police department here
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as a sergeant, and I also have another career in
the meantime. I had five sons from the age when
I was between thirty and forty, I had five sons.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Well, first of all, God bless you five kids.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Yeah, my youngest son was too. My husband had a
nervous breakdown and eventually ended up in prison. So for
the last twenty years, I've been raising these kids on
my own. Yeah, and I'm happy to say the honest
one's graduating college.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
But I look back, congratulations.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Yeah. What I look back is and I see that
it was. It just doesn't fit what he's talking in
today's time. Yeah, I'm a I'm a Catholic, but you
can't predict your future. And I just feel that the
encouragement for young women, especially as me to movement now
should have been more not so much focused on a
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marriage and children is making yourself better and being able
to provide for yourself down the road.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Well, that's it's really well said. You've got five sons,
do you like their girlfriends?
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Only one has when now I treat him as my own.
I like Ludker and what he was saying because I
have that old fashioned philosophy in me and he was
my fantasy.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Football kicker, so I really like him as a player.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
But I just feel like what causes the controversy and
all this is how people interpret in what today's society
is doing, is that we want to make our women
independent and that's it's not all fluffy like that.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Well, thank you for the call, and I think you
really good point that there are a lot of women
out there that if they're going to have families, they
want to be able to handle the kids themselves if
the men in their lives flake out. I think there's
a lot of distrust for women of men because there's
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a lot of frankly men that you don't really want
to create a family with. I think that's a huge
part of this issue. That one reason women feel so
compelled to drive themselves to success is they don't want
to be reliant on frankly, some of the loser men
out there. So if you have a baby and you
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feel like the man in your life is not very reliable,
your safety net is not your husband, it's your college
degree or your advanced degree. In other words, women, because
so many men are failing, feel compelled to cover all
the facet of life. And Buker kind of addressed that too,
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because I do think a huge part of women's disdain
for many young men is a lot of them don't
think they're worthy of being parents with them. You know
a lot of these women with the frozen eggs, some
of you may be having daughters, granddaughters who are doing this.
A lot of them are extremely successful. They can't find
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a man that they want to have a baby with.
That's one of the reasons why the number of kids
is going down. Women are looking around like a good
man really is hard to find, maybe harder to find
than ever. Now you can have an argument out there
that there's also a lot of women that don't want
to invest in men. That's what I would hear from men.
What's the Kanye line, the gold digger line. One day's
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mopping the floors next day. It's the fries that women
don't want to invest in men. That's what I hear
from men, like all she cares about is what I
got or how much I make now. They don't want
to actually invest in the men. That I think is
kind of interesting too, but I think it speaks to
this sort of gender talking past each other, which is
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becoming a big issue because, by the way, nobody's having babies.
Chris and Stockton, Missouri, what you got for us?
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Hey, Hello, how are you Clay? Thank you for your
openness and truth you getting to the table. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I grew up working hard, going to work every day,
and so when I got married and had kids, I
told my wife at the time, if you want to work, work,
if not, stay home with the kids. There was two boys,
so she did. She stayed home. We made it. I
drove a truck at the time, and then I got
into run in the city with also law enforcement, emergency management,
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fire and rescue, and EMS and we were able to
live comfortably and she was able to stay home with
the kids. There was times I couldn't make it to
sporting events, which sucked. Yeah, but we made it work
and we were comfortable doing it. Everything worked out. And
I feel like, if you have that availability and the
opportunity to do that and it works for you, by
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all means, do it.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Thank you for the call. I think huge percentages of
women would like to be able to stay home with kids.
I think a lot of them don't feel, either financially
or emotionally that they have a man that they can
trust to be able to provide for the whole family.
I think that's I think that's a big issue here too.
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Chuck in Kentucky fire away.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Yeah, Okay, you're dead on You're dead on everything it's
going on Nowaday, look at your government. They're trying to
destroy women. They're trying to destroy the family, and they're
doing a good job of it. You've got to admit that.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
And there's no doubt they can't say it.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
I'm like you, I watched seven yards week till my
wife could stay home and raise my kids. But these
men coming up now, they don't have the backbone to
hang in there and do that.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Thank you for the call, you know what. I love
the accent. By the way, My family's from Muelenberg County, Kentucky.
I've heard a lot of that over the years. I
was out to dinner on Sunday with It was Mother's Day,
so we had my wife, two other moms, and two
of my law school classmates. My wife is also a
(29:33):
law school classmate. But both of them work their asses
off work all the time practicing attorneys. They run their
own firms basically, And they were saying the number of
twenty five year old guys now that graduate from law
school and don't really care about making very much money,
(29:53):
like they're just kind of staggered by it. They have
very limited motivation, and to what he's saying, their benefit. Look,
I get it, there's probably a lot of you out
there that were married to workaholics. My argument would be
workaholism comes from a good place because it's about a
desperate drive to try to make sure that you're providing
for your family. Now, what level does that need to reach.
(30:15):
I mean, again, that's all a balancing act. But I
come back to Thomas Sowell's stat to build on what
that caller was just kind of pointing out about the
government's attack on traditional families. This is a stat that
I think is really hard to explain away, and I'll
ask the team to make sure that I get it right.
And I'm not for those of you out there that
(30:36):
are going to grab this and clip it. I'm not
sure the percentages are exactly right, but I believe in
nineteen sixty only twenty five percent roughly of black children
were born outside of the family. So this is roughly
one hundred years after the Emancipation Proclamation eighteen sixty three.
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One hundred years later, seventy five percent of kids are
born into a black family with a mom and dad
at home. Now, I don't think anybody out there listening
right now would say, hey, you know what, America was
super fair to black people in the eighteen eighties. America
was insanely welcoming to black families everywhere in the nineteen thirties,
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the forties, the twenties. That's despite a lot of the
legacy of racism and discrimination and the awful stain that
it left in the country. Over that one hundred year period,
the black family emerged strong enough that seventy five percent
of babies were born in two parent households. Do you
(31:44):
know what it was in twenty twenty twenty percent? How
does that happen. I don't think anybody out there would
look at it and say, hey, you know what happened
between nineteen sixty and twenty twenty, Black people were treated
a lot worse than they were in eighteen eighty and
in eighteen seventy and in nineteen twenty. Whatever you think
(32:07):
about race relations, if you were born in nineteen sixty
and you are sixty years old, your life experience was
a lot different than somebody who was born a slave
in eighteen sixty and would have been sixty years old
in nineteen twenty. Yet, the black family in the one
hundred years after slavery ended was in a stronger position
(32:29):
in terms of two parent households in nineteen sixty by
far than it is today. How did that happen? I
would say it's Linda Johnson's Great Society which kicked the
legs out from underneath the black family. How is it
that the black family has collapsed when the government has
poured money into black families. That's not an easy question
(32:52):
for left wingers to answer. Again, regardless of your own
personal circumstances, it's far better to have children born into
two parent households than one parent households, and I always
get emails whenever I say this, somebody says i'm a
single parent. I'm doing I'm not attacking. Sharing facts in
a general sense that are different than your individual experience
(33:15):
is not a personal attack. There are many incredible single parents.
Some single parents do better jobs than double parents. There
are a lot of awful double parents. But in general,
how did the black family collapse when the government is
spending trillions of dollars on them? They took away the
(33:36):
power I think of the black mom and dad, and
they gave it to the government instead. Just think about
that data. It doesn't make any sense. It's not the
legacy of racism, that's what they try to say. But
the legacy of racism was far more present in nineteen
sixty than it is today. Why did that happen? And
(33:57):
maybe it's not intentional, but it's certainly the reality, and
I think it's worth contemplating. That's why I'm always a
little bit skeptical when the government says, hey, I'll solve
this problem, I'm like, ah, I think I think maybe
individuals are better at solving problems than the government. I
think personally, we could fire seventy five percent of government
(34:18):
employees in the country probably be better off. I bet a
lot of you agree. But in the case of the
Black family, that's a complete failure despite pouring our taxpayer
dollars into it. There's a documentary online right now called
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(35:22):
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to be joined by Tulsea Gabbard, potential VP choice of
Donald Trump. Top of the next hour, we'll dive into
a bunch of choice discussions on topics with her. But
I wanted to have a little bit of fun. This
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(35:43):
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You know, the guy who shoved off the dad there
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(36:50):
Mufossa was actually not straight
Welcome again our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Reaction pouring
in to the controversy of Harrison Bucker and his speech
at a Catholic college we have shared and I just
retweeted the clips themselves if you want to go watch them,
(00:22):
and again, I think it's an illustrative moment in how
we talk dishonestly about what true controversy is. And I
do think and I'm going to take some of your
calls here in a moment. A couple of things that
are going on the cross examination of Michael Cohen continuing
in the Trump trial in New York City. We talked
(00:42):
about yesterday the agreement that there would be a June
and September presidential debate. There also now is an agreed
upon date for the vice presidential debate. I'll ask the
team it's going to be in July, I believe, But
the exact date of that vice presidential debate we will
grab for you and share here on the show soon.
(01:05):
I haven't seen the official date yet, if the team
will give me the official date. And the reason why
I bring that up is it could implicate certainly would
seem to implicate the day by which Donald Trump must
have to make a decision on who his vice president
is going to be, so that that vice president could
have the opportunity. One of those vice presidential contender is
going to be talking with us in roughly an hour
(01:27):
when Tulca Gabbard will join this program. So that is
where we are headed. One thing that I don't think
gets talked about enough though in this controversy surrounding Harrison
Butker's analysis of both men women gender roles and what
it means to be Catholic in modern society is there
is still a major age gap because of biology in
(01:50):
when men and women have to make decisions. And I
definitely don't think this gets talked about enough, and I'm
going to be candid with you. I don't think a
lot of young men think about it very often. Now.
I became a dad at twenty eight years old. There
are all different sorts of ages at which men become dads.
So I've got a sixteen year old son now, one
(02:13):
that will be off in college soon. And for someone
who went to law school and didn't finish his education
until twenty five years old, twenty eight is a relatively
young dad, if, for instance, you are a lawyer or
you are a doctor out there and you go on
to get an advanced degree. I never really thought much
(02:35):
about at what age I needed to become a father,
because in my mind, I could become a dad in
my thirties and my forties and my fifties without really
having to think very much, because men can have children
for their whole lives, and I think there are a
lot of men who contemplate that and in the back
(02:55):
of their mind. It's why there isn't sort of this
age crunch. If you're thirty three and you are a
guy and you're out there dating, you don't have a
biological clock really ticking in your head the same way
a thirty three year old woman would. Well, when you
are telling women, go get your education, go get your
(03:17):
graduate degree, begin to climb the corporate ladder, a thirty
two year old woman and her perspective on career is
very different than a thirty two year old man's perspective
on career. And I don't even hear anybody hardly ever
talk about that, but I think it's a huge reason
why there is not necessarily a meeting of the minds
(03:41):
in the same way. Because a thirty two year old guy,
you can think, hey, I don't have any rush, I
can have kids whenever I want. I'm going to focus
completely on my career. A thirty two year old woman
really has a major in her mind. Time crunch a foot,
so if you're working all the time. I'm trying to
(04:01):
think from the perspective of women, which I don't think
gets talked about enough, given that women are getting advanced degrees.
For instance, in my law school class, there were more
women than there were men. That was a new thing.
But women are getting sixty percent of college degrees. Now,
women are overwhelmingly going to grad school. You're not coming
out of grad school till you're twenty five or twenty
(04:21):
six years old. And if you come out of grad
school at twenty five or twenty six years old and
you spent one hundred thousand dollars or more to get
that graduate degree, yeah, a lot of times have loans.
You're going to get run right into the process by
which you become a professional, start to play at payoff
those loans, and thirty happens really fast. And I don't
(04:43):
know that there's a lot of discussion going on about
the challenges that that brings to bear, and then I
think you're ending up with a lot of women, the
number of women that I know personally who are incredibly
successful that can't find men and are now freezing their
eggs because they're terrified about not being able to have children,
(05:05):
because they're sitting there at thirty four, thirty five years old,
very successful, but cannot find a man that they want
to be married to. Because a lot of men candidly
are not, let's be honest, not really pursuing masculine ideals.
I think this is the downside of sort of this
genderless society that we're creating. Maybe I'm old school. I
(05:28):
said in the first hour, it made me physically ill
that I didn't make enough money that my family could
not have me take care of them completely based on
what I earned. Because to me, again you can say
I'm a caveman. To me, a man should pursue success
(05:52):
such that he can take care of his entire family.
That to me is the primary goal of a man.
Take care of your children, take care of your family,
And historically that was the primary province of masculinity. Be
as successful as you can to take care of your
entire family. Now, there can be challenges with that. For men,
(06:16):
a lot of you out there listening have probably struggled
with work life balance. I work all the time and
have for about fifteen years, eighty hour or more weeks.
My dad worked forty hour weeks. I think he's a
better dad than I have been. I've had more financial success,
(06:39):
but he focused more on parenting. He also became a dad,
by the way, a little bit later. I think a
lot of men are better dads later. He was almost
thirty five when I was born. I was twenty eight
when mine was born. It's tough when you're in your
twenties and your thirties. You're going full speed and you're
trying to build a career. Now I've had success, and
some of you notice, I try to take vacations with
(07:01):
my family. You know, every time I'm not on the show,
I get an email from people saying, why are you
taking off? Why are you not there? Because this job,
while I love it, it doesn't define me. It's what
I do, it's not what I am. And I've come
to that now that I'm in my forties. Hey, we
went to Australia. I always wanted to go to Australia.
(07:21):
My boys are growing up, you get off to college,
they're going to be busy. Really, we try to travel
around Christmas because a lot of you know, that's like
the only time when sports season isn't going on for kids,
it's when they don't have the extracurricular activities. I took
them to Australia last year. I took them to Italy.
I'm going to be doing the showdown from the beach
during Memorial Day Week. I'm fortunate I've got a studio
(07:43):
to use down there, but I want to be spending
as much time with my kids as I possibly can.
I work all the time, probably too much, if you're
being honest, if you were going to criticize me, because
in the back of my mom I'm always thinking about
that feeling of having my kids in daycare and feeling
(08:08):
like a failure because I wasn't providing enough for my
family such that my wife didn't have to work. By
the way, my wife's brilliant, probably smarter than me in
terms of testing, for sure. Vanderbilt Law grad Vanderbilt graduate
of the Grad School there, University of Michigan Grad. Sorry,
Ohio State fans. I'm not saying that women can't work
(08:29):
or should it work, or by the way, that the
woman can't be the primary bread winner in a household.
That's certainly possible in many different societies. I'm saying the
goal should be to provide choice to your family to
do whatever is best for them. And by the way,
there's a big difference. I think most moms and dads
would acknowledge between taking care of a kid when they're
two or three years old or a newborn, and taking
(08:53):
care of a kid when they're ten, going back to
school when somebody's when your kids are in school all
the time, more going and taking a full time job
when your kids are in school all the time is
something that I think makes a lot of sense for
many families. And so the idea that a man saying, hey, men,
(09:14):
you need to do a better job, and women, you
need to think about what does success look like in
your life? Is it going to be climbing the corporate
ladder such that when you're thirty seven, you're childless and
you look around and you say to yourself, boy, I
really feel fulfilled here, or is it going to be
acknowledging that you're trying to balance many different things in
(09:36):
a way, frankly because of biology, that men don't have
to have these contemplated thoughts. And by the way, if
you have kids, there's a reason biologically why a lot
of twenty four year old girls are like a decade
older in their mental maturity than twenty four year old boys.
You notice this. A lot of young men are total knuckleheads.
(09:57):
I always like to say, there there's a reason why
no woman has ever had her final two words be
watch this. Men do stupid things to get women's attention
for most of our lives. Watch this next thing. You know,
(10:18):
he's jumping off the diving board and he's he's knocked
himself out jump too high off of a diving board.
Women never say watch this and then do something stupid.
Men do it all the time. Watch this. I'm gonna
light these eight fireworks together all at once. Oh, there's
my hand, it's gone. Men do stupid things all the
time to try to get women's attention. The younger the
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men are, the dumber they are. And this goes to
crime too. You ever notice how Grandpa's they never rob banks.
You never see somebody on a walker trying to get
away with one hundred thousand dollars in cash that he
just took out of a bank. As men get older,
we get smarter make better decisions. Every man listening to
(11:03):
me right now can think back on something he did
between the ages of sixteen and twenty four that in
retrospect he's like, yeah, I probably should have died. And
by the way, if you can't do it, then you
have a friend that you one hundred percent are amazed
he's still alive because he made such maronic decisions for
much of your youth. So men mature later than women,
(11:25):
and even now a lot of men don't mature. You
know what the data reflects in this ancient, anxious generation
the Jonathan Hate Book, women are having high levels of
suicidal ideation thirty percent of teenage women because of they
think social media. The Internet impacts genders differently. Boys buy
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and large get seduced by porn and video games, and
a lot of them fail to launch as a result.
They don't actually have ambition, They don't pursue anything, and
so they sit around in their house. And there's probably
some of you right now with teenage boys twenty something
boys in your house. They move back in and they're
(12:06):
sitting around playing video games, looking at porn all day.
They don't even date. You know, this is a big issue.
Because of the access of porn. A lot of men
don't even interact with women anymore. So Harrison Buker saying, Hey,
there's a lot of things that are going wrong. Maybe
we should address them, Maybe we should acknowledge them. Maybe
(12:29):
we should have these big national discussions and debates. Maybe
the marketplace of ideas should actually work. Maybe the national
malaise that we all feel collectively gripping this country, a
failure of purpose, of basically ambition on behalf of both
men and women pursuing the wrong goals because we think
(12:52):
they're more remunerative than maybe they actually are. That seems
like a big nowtional debate and discussion that we should
be having as a country. And then somebody comes out
and points out some of these things, and immediately the
NFL says, oh, our dei vice president understand these are
unacceptable views. What what did he say that's unacceptable or
(13:16):
even controversial? I always say, I say what Seventy five
or eighty percent of Americans agree with and it's considered
controversial because the twenty five percent or the twenty percent
has to shepherd what's allowed to be said, and so
they attack somebody like me. Go read out Kick Company,
I sold three years ago to Fox. It's the least
(13:40):
controversial sports site on the planet. Yet it's the only
sports site on the planet that will say, yeah, women's
sports shouldn't have men pretending to be women. We don't
think it's heroic that a man could win a swimming
contest and have a penis going against a woman. Oh
my god, that clay that out kicks my boy. They're
(14:01):
super controversial. Oh yeah, really, I would actually suggest that
a man pretending to be a woman and winning a
women's championship is actually the controversial thing. Not pointing out
this subsurdity going on right now in Australia as we speak,
five dudes pretending to be chicks dominating an Australian soccer league.
Pointing at that and saying yeah, that's wrong, as we
(14:22):
did today on OutKick, that's not controversial. Saying that a
lot of women are being sold a bill of goods
and likely to end up happier married with children that
by pursuing simply career success. That a lot of men
out there are failing to be the heads of households,
and as a result, society is failing its children. That
(14:46):
all seems readily apparent to me. We know the problem.
Maybe it's time to actually have these conversations and discuss solutions.
But no solutions. Oh that's too controversial. I promise I'll
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hanging out with us rolling through the Thursday edition of
the program. Buck, we'll be back with me tomorrow. A
lot of you want to weigh in a variety of
different topics out there. Brenda and Milwaukee. What you got
for us?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I appreciate your introspection as a man and as a dad.
You spoke to this issue much more eloquently than Bucker did.
But as a conservative woman and a mom and a
career lady, I think what kind of rankled a lot
of women, including me, is that when he told all
the women in the room that they've been lied to.
You know, a great job and your degree gails, but
we all know you'd rather stay home and be a
(16:49):
wife and mother. Right. That was very I don't know,
dismissive a little bit. Man's fining baby in there? Is
this just a huge gender based assumption.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And let me ask you this, if a woman had
said the exact same thing to the women graduates, what
would your thoughts have been?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I would have also been irritated by that. Okay, I
think that. I mean, all we want is, like like
you said a minute ago, is just the choice. It's
just the choice, you know, not to assume that that's
everybody's goal.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
How many kids do you have?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I have three, three girls?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
And did you work the whole time while you were
raising the three girls?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I did. I was lucky. I'm in a medical field.
I'm a nurse practitioner. I was a bedside nurse when
they were little, so I did shift work and I
was able to be home with them a lot, go
on field trips. But I also made more money than
my now ex husband, so I had the best of
both worlds.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Well, actually stick with me, because I'm curious. I would
like to ask you a question. What if your ex
husband had made a ton of money and you didn't
have to work at all? What would your thought process
have been then? But I do appreciate call A lot
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of you hanging out with us. A lot of you
want to weigh in with what we've been talking about.
We're gonna talk with Telsey Gabbard here at the top
of the next hour controversy about Harrison Buttker's comments, and
(19:09):
we are rolling through some of these calls. Brenda and
Milwaukee was with us. Brenda, you raised three daughters. Congratulations,
happy belated Mother's Day, and you worked. I believe as
a nurse practitioner. If I'm remembering our call as we
went to break, I asked you to hang on question
for you and you can correct me if I got
any of that wrong, because I tried to remember it
over the commercial break. If and you said you had
(19:32):
an ex husband, If your husband, if your husband had
been a millionaire like Harrison butker Is, and he had
come to you and he says, hey, we've got three daughters.
Your job is great, but I'd like for you to
be able to stay home with the girls. You would
have that choice. What choice do you think you would
(19:53):
have made as a mother if you'd had a millionaire
husband who made plenty of money for the family to
be taken care of.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I mean, that's a very rare occurrence, let's be real true.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
But it doesn't have to be a million dollars right
depending on where you live. There could be a lot
of people out there if whether it's the breadwinner, to
be fair, can be a man or a woman, and
a lot of the country, if you make one hundred
thousand dollars a year, you can live a very good
life for family, which is what a lot My parents
neither one ever made more than fifty thousand dollars a year.
I think the most they ever made as a combined
(20:27):
couple was sixty five thousand dollars a year. They both
had to work. But there's a lot of parts of
the country still where you make one hundred thousand dollars
a year, you can live pretty well. But I'm giving
you a big number there for a million. In other words,
for you personally, how much of your decision to work
was a financial requirement versus a that you just loved
(20:49):
working so much more than you would have loved being
able to be a full time mom.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, that's something I've asked myself before. I would have
had to have a very wealthy husband for me to
not want to work. Yeah, And it's not that I
need to be this big career lady. It's just that
I felt like I had something to offer. And I
tell you now that I'm in my late forties and
my kids are in college and they're not home, I'm
glad I have this. You know, I've got this fulfilling
(21:16):
career in something to focus my energy on.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That totally makes Thank you for the call, burn, That
totally makes sense. And that's why again, to me, the
key here is choice. Choice is a luxury in life.
If you have financial security, you have flexibility. You can
decide to work, you can both decide to work, you
can do different things. A lot of moms out there,
(21:39):
in my experience may take off when their kids are
super young and then go back to work when they
go back into school. I think there's a variety of
different perspectives out there. But for me, as a husband
and as a father, I can tell you that our life,
and I think my wife would say the same thing,
(22:00):
Our life got one thousand percent better when only I
had to work, not a little bit better, one thousand
percent better. And by the way, given how much it
cost for childcare, I say this and I still can't
believe it. It would have been cheaper for me to
have two kids enrolled at the University of Tennessee for
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college than it was to have a two year old
and a four month old in daycare. How crazy is that?
So so many people out there work to put your
kid into daycare, and I think a lot of families
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end up coming to that calculus where you say, man,
I make forty thousand dollars a year, but I have
to pay forty five thousand dollars a year for childcare.
Does this really make sense? Is the dual income strategy
really paying off here? Margie in North Dakota? What you
got for me?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Hi?
Speaker 4 (23:05):
I guess in my thought, it's how you interpret what
mister Butker was saying. I just feel that he was
talking to many young women who wanted to start their careers,
and he just assumed everybody wanted to be a mom.
Forty one years ago, I walked across the stage and
got a criminal justice degree in a psychology degree, and
ten years ago I retired from the police department here
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as a sergeant, and I also have another career in
the meantime. I had five sons from the age when
I was between thirty and forty, I had five sons.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Well, first of all, God bless you five kids.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Yeah, my youngest son was too. My husband had a
nervous breakdown and eventually ended up in prison. So for
the last twenty years, I've been raising these kids on
my own. Yeah, and I'm happy to say the honest
one's graduating college.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
But I look back, congratulations.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Yeah. What I look back is and I see that
it was. It just doesn't fit what he's talking in
today's time. Yeah, I'm a I'm a Catholic, but you
can't predict your future. And I just feel that the
encouragement for young women, especially as me to movement now
should have been more not so much focused on a
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marriage and children is making yourself better and being able
to provide for yourself down the road.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Well, that's it's really well said. You've got five sons,
do you like their girlfriends?
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Only one has when now I treat him as my own.
I like Ludker and what he was saying because I
have that old fashioned philosophy in me and he was
my fantasy.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Football kicker, so I really like him as a player.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
But I just feel like what causes the controversy and
all this is how people interpret in what today's society
is doing, is that we want to make our women
independent and that's it's not all fluffy like that.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Well, thank you for the call, and I think you
really good point that there are a lot of women
out there that if they're going to have families, they
want to be able to handle the kids themselves if
the men in their lives flake out. I think there's
a lot of distrust for women of men because there's
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a lot of frankly men that you don't really want
to create a family with. I think that's a huge
part of this issue. That one reason women feel so
compelled to drive themselves to success is they don't want
to be reliant on frankly, some of the loser men
out there. So if you have a baby and you
(25:40):
feel like the man in your life is not very reliable,
your safety net is not your husband, it's your college
degree or your advanced degree. In other words, women, because
so many men are failing, feel compelled to cover all
the facet of life. And Buker kind of addressed that too,
(26:05):
because I do think a huge part of women's disdain
for many young men is a lot of them don't
think they're worthy of being parents with them. You know
a lot of these women with the frozen eggs, some
of you may be having daughters, granddaughters who are doing this.
A lot of them are extremely successful. They can't find
(26:26):
a man that they want to have a baby with.
That's one of the reasons why the number of kids
is going down. Women are looking around like a good
man really is hard to find, maybe harder to find
than ever. Now you can have an argument out there
that there's also a lot of women that don't want
to invest in men. That's what I would hear from men.
What's the Kanye line, the gold digger line. One day's
(26:50):
mopping the floors next day. It's the fries that women
don't want to invest in men. That's what I hear
from men, like all she cares about is what I
got or how much I make now. They don't want
to actually invest in the men. That I think is
kind of interesting too, but I think it speaks to
this sort of gender talking past each other, which is
(27:12):
becoming a big issue because, by the way, nobody's having babies.
Chris and Stockton, Missouri, what you got for us?
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Hey, Hello, how are you Clay? Thank you for your
openness and truth you getting to the table. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I grew up working hard, going to work every day,
and so when I got married and had kids, I
told my wife at the time, if you want to work, work,
if not, stay home with the kids. There was two boys,
so she did. She stayed home. We made it. I
drove a truck at the time, and then I got
into run in the city with also law enforcement, emergency management,
(27:50):
fire and rescue, and EMS and we were able to
live comfortably and she was able to stay home with
the kids. There was times I couldn't make it to
sporting events, which sucked. Yeah, but we made it work
and we were comfortable doing it. Everything worked out. And
I feel like, if you have that availability and the
opportunity to do that and it works for you, by
(28:13):
all means, do it.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Thank you for the call. I think huge percentages of
women would like to be able to stay home with kids.
I think a lot of them don't feel, either financially
or emotionally that they have a man that they can
trust to be able to provide for the whole family.
I think that's I think that's a big issue here too.
(28:36):
Chuck in Kentucky fire away.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Yeah, Okay, you're dead on You're dead on everything it's
going on Nowaday, look at your government. They're trying to
destroy women. They're trying to destroy the family, and they're
doing a good job of it. You've got to admit that.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
And there's no doubt they can't say it.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
I'm like you, I watched seven yards week till my
wife could stay home and raise my kids. But these
men coming up now, they don't have the backbone to
hang in there and do that.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Thank you for the call, you know what. I love
the accent. By the way, My family's from Muelenberg County, Kentucky.
I've heard a lot of that over the years. I
was out to dinner on Sunday with It was Mother's Day,
so we had my wife, two other moms, and two
of my law school classmates. My wife is also a
(29:33):
law school classmate. But both of them work their asses
off work all the time practicing attorneys. They run their
own firms basically, And they were saying the number of
twenty five year old guys now that graduate from law
school and don't really care about making very much money,
(29:53):
like they're just kind of staggered by it. They have
very limited motivation, and to what he's saying, their benefit. Look,
I get it, there's probably a lot of you out
there that were married to workaholics. My argument would be
workaholism comes from a good place because it's about a
desperate drive to try to make sure that you're providing
for your family. Now, what level does that need to reach.
(30:15):
I mean, again, that's all a balancing act. But I
come back to Thomas Sowell's stat to build on what
that caller was just kind of pointing out about the
government's attack on traditional families. This is a stat that
I think is really hard to explain away, and I'll
ask the team to make sure that I get it right.
And I'm not for those of you out there that
(30:36):
are going to grab this and clip it. I'm not
sure the percentages are exactly right, but I believe in
nineteen sixty only twenty five percent roughly of black children
were born outside of the family. So this is roughly
one hundred years after the Emancipation Proclamation eighteen sixty three.
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One hundred years later, seventy five percent of kids are
born into a black family with a mom and dad
at home. Now, I don't think anybody out there listening
right now would say, hey, you know what, America was
super fair to black people in the eighteen eighties. America
was insanely welcoming to black families everywhere in the nineteen thirties,
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the forties, the twenties. That's despite a lot of the
legacy of racism and discrimination and the awful stain that
it left in the country. Over that one hundred year period,
the black family emerged strong enough that seventy five percent
of babies were born in two parent households. Do you
(31:44):
know what it was in twenty twenty twenty percent? How
does that happen. I don't think anybody out there would
look at it and say, hey, you know what happened
between nineteen sixty and twenty twenty, Black people were treated
a lot worse than they were in eighteen eighty and
in eighteen seventy and in nineteen twenty. Whatever you think
(32:07):
about race relations, if you were born in nineteen sixty
and you are sixty years old, your life experience was
a lot different than somebody who was born a slave
in eighteen sixty and would have been sixty years old
in nineteen twenty. Yet, the black family in the one
hundred years after slavery ended was in a stronger position
(32:29):
in terms of two parent households in nineteen sixty by
far than it is today. How did that happen? I
would say it's Linda Johnson's Great Society which kicked the
legs out from underneath the black family. How is it
that the black family has collapsed when the government has
poured money into black families. That's not an easy question
(32:52):
for left wingers to answer. Again, regardless of your own
personal circumstances, it's far better to have children born into
two parent households than one parent households, and I always
get emails whenever I say this, somebody says i'm a
single parent. I'm doing I'm not attacking. Sharing facts in
a general sense that are different than your individual experience
(33:15):
is not a personal attack. There are many incredible single parents.
Some single parents do better jobs than double parents. There
are a lot of awful double parents. But in general,
how did the black family collapse when the government is
spending trillions of dollars on them? They took away the
(33:36):
power I think of the black mom and dad, and
they gave it to the government instead. Just think about
that data. It doesn't make any sense. It's not the
legacy of racism, that's what they try to say. But
the legacy of racism was far more present in nineteen
sixty than it is today. Why did that happen? And
(33:57):
maybe it's not intentional, but it's certainly the reality, and
I think it's worth contemplating. That's why I'm always a
little bit skeptical when the government says, hey, I'll solve
this problem, I'm like, ah, I think I think maybe
individuals are better at solving problems than the government. I
think personally, we could fire seventy five percent of government
(34:18):
employees in the country probably be better off. I bet a
lot of you agree. But in the case of the
Black family, that's a complete failure despite pouring our taxpayer
dollars into it. There's a documentary online right now called
America's Last Election. It is something that I would encourage
all of you to be checking out, worthy of watching.
(34:39):
It's from our Buck's good friend, Porter Stansbury. Years ago,
he warned about the collapse of major lenders, and he
predicted the two thousand and eight financial crisis early on
calling both and he spoke up. Documentary details how a
new financial crisis could be brewing in America, the dangers
it poses. He's paying a lot of attention to it.
We encourage you to go check it out. Make sure
(35:00):
you watch it while it's still online. It's free. Last
Election Plot dot com. That's Last Election Plot dot com
paid for by Porter and company. Sheep out with the
guys on the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast.
A new episode of Every Sunday. Find it on the
iHeart app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back
(35:22):
in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I'm gonna take some
more of your calls. In the third hour, we're going
to be joined by Tulsea Gabbard, potential VP choice of
Donald Trump. Top of the next hour, we'll dive into
a bunch of choice discussions on topics with her. But
I wanted to have a little bit of fun. This
is a new documentary. This is not made up. This
is NBC. If you're wondering how did everything go crazy,
(35:43):
they have a new documentary that is called let me
make sure that I get this right, Queer Planet, and
it's about gay animals. Listen, everywhere everything is wrong. Gay
pays find sexual sex changing crown fish. That's clear they
(36:05):
haven't always the sex I mean humans that we have
such stay about.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
The idea of just having too fixed sexes is clearly
out of style. Mother Nature is pretty open minded.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Sex is not just the reproduction.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
It's clear that no matter where you look on our planet,
nature is full of queer surprises.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Just what you've all been hoping to see. Bisexual lions.
I've been sitting around for a long time, like the
one thing I need to make sure that I don't
miss this summer that bisexual lions show. By the way,
we've already known about gay lions. I think Mufossa was gay.
You know, the guy who shoved off the dad there
in the Lion King. I have a lot of faith
(36:50):
Mufossa was actually not straight
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