September 12, 2024 • 36 mins
New poll shows Trump up a point in Michigan. Testimonials from citizens of Springfield, Ohio crystalize how the unregulated flood of illegal immigrants is destroying communities. Polls point to GOP control of Senate. JD Vance's take on the Trump-Harris debate. Will there be another? Political sports activism on the decline?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off now,
and we have some updates for you on the numbers,
the post debate numbers. For example, this one Michigan poll
from Insider Polling, you have Trump forty nine, Harris forty eight,
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other one percent. I believe RFK Junior is on that
ballot still, Clay, is that correct?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yes, guys, based on the Michigan Supreme Court decision that
may or may not get appealed on a federal level.
But yes, right now he is on that ballot.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Look, it's cool, it hasn't nothing's happened yet, and so
I'm willing to withhold withhold my angst over this. But
we've got a one point race in Michigan right now
according to the latest poll that I can that I
can see here, and a third party candidate getting one point. Now,
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we don't know what exactly that one point would who
that would go to, but I've got some ideas. So
it's it's a big deal. But the point here, what
I think is is a a good indicator of things
is that right now, Uh, there are some polling, there's
some polling that shows Trump actually up a point or
two from where he was before the debate. In Swing States,
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there has been nothing, nothing to suggest that there is
any like major fallout from the Trump debate, not that
I would think there would be, but it's it's effectively
what we thought, which is that there has been some
marginal movement here and there, and I think that in
terms of the polling, it's largely a draw. Uh. And
(01:50):
I think one of the reasons for this is that
I know that you know, if you're if you're complaining
about the refs, you're losing. I understand that, but also
like if the ref if you find out that the
refs were paid a bag of cash before the game,
like sometimes the refs really are a problem. And I
think that ABC News crossed over into that territory where
any honest observer would say, wow, this is like this
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is pretty out of hand. Not just Trump voters anyway,
but they're also the focus on immigration that has illegal
immigration that has come out of all this clay. You know,
I think that there's there's still a lot of back
and forth over whether or not anybody has taken pets
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or ducks in a park and and hilled and eating them.
And I would not have advised Trump to have jumped
on that issue. I think that's, you know, while that's
very visceral and and has impacted the news cycle this week,
I think that the the bigger issues of immigration, of
illegal immigration, notably, and really just the the wide openess
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of our of our border policy, not even just at
the US Mexico border. People are flying into the country
now on these parole programs that Biden has set up
where and you're they're applying on in apps on their
phones in foreign countries. One hundreds of thousand people coming
to the country. It's a it is a complete mess.
And here's a story. For example. Here is a Springfield,
(03:22):
Ohio resident whose mother in law was killed by somebody
covered under TPS Temporary Protected Status from Haiti play twenty three.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Everyone is talking about the death of ducks and cats
in this town that I'd like to talk about the
death of one very special person, my mother in law,
Kathy Heen. On December first, I received a phone call
that changed my life forever. She was collecting her trash
can from her driveway when I struck and killer instantly
atash she had done over two thousand times spanning four
(03:58):
decades in Springfield. That morning, though, a Haitian immigrant was
allegedly driving recklessly when he struck and killed her.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I say allegedly because to the state.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
There's been no punishment, not even for the expired tags
on the vehicle he was driving.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
You know, Clay. There are many more stories, and Trump
has been talking to some of the families of people
who have had There have been deaths there, I mean murders,
There have been rapes. There have been the most serious
of crimes committed by people who in some cases should
have never been allowed into the country period, and other
cases came into the country illegally then sort of scammed
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the system to manage to stay after their illegal entry.
These are people who should be more grateful to the
American people and show a greater focus on not causing problems,
obeying our laws, and beings as thankful as they possibly
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can do whatever community they choose to spend their time
and while they're under TPS or whatever. And we keep
seeing these stories, and the stories are very upsetting because
people realize it didn't have to be this way.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
This is super important. The illegal immigrant crime rate in
America should be zero. I want to repeat that because
it's really important. And I feel like sometimes we don't
drill down to the essence of an issue. That is
an awful story that that woman just told. But there
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are stories like that in every major city in America,
many rural areas, every state. American citizens are being killed
by illegal immigrants who should not be here. I wish
we had a crime rate of zero. Statistics are going
to reflect that that is impossible anywhere. We should try
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to drive down crime to the lowest possible level. And
when citizens of the Union United States commit crimes, there
should be severe consequences. But there should be an illegal
immigrant crime rate in this country of zero. And I
cannot imagine if you are so unfortunate that your family
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member is a victim of a violent crime, that you
wouldn't be through the roof furious if that violent criminal
should have never been here and making it even worse.
Very often, buck what the case is that violent criminal
has often been arrested for a previous crime and not
had any consequences at all, and released to continue to
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recavoc upon our streets. The Lake and Riley example is
a perfect one. University of Georgia, just off the campus
in Athens, Young nursing student goes for a jog gets
murdered by an illegal immigrant. That it should have never
been here. Every community in America now of any decent
size has a lake and riley. And so for people
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to say and that, you know what the response to
this is. The response to this is typically, well, illegal
immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than American citizens.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
That's the defense. That's not a defense.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
First of all, you can argue about whether that's going
to be the case going forward, because most of the
illegal immigrants coming into this country right now buck are
men sixteen to forty, And most people who commit violent
crimes in America, guess what age they are, men sixteen
to forty. But even if that is true, on a
statistical basis that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower
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rate violent crime, the rate should be zero.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
We should have a border and not allow anybody in.
But that's the defense they try.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
To talk point use, that's a garb that's a garbage statistic.
And here's why they don't want to know how many
illegals commit crimes. Here's how many we have. That's the
other part of the course, right, But we don't even
have to die Yeah, that ties in together, right. I mean,
they don't want to know how many illegals are here.
They don't want to know how many illegals are in
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the prison system. I mean, you could look at this.
The the information, the data on this is so scattered,
it's so hard to find. And yet if you were
looking and say, you know LA County's most wanted list,
you know who's the top ten on the LA counties,
You'll see suspiciously a high number of illegals in the country.
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You'll say, oh, wait a second, because it'll say, you know,
so and so is an illegal entered the country. You
know killed three people. And now on yep, this idea
that the illegals who come into the country are are
somehow better than Americans also goes to this idea that
the illegals who come to the country are harder working
and they're going to contribute more. And this is what
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the lunatics, and some of them are I would note
libertarians funded by corporate interests. They're liberty. There are lunatic
open borders libertarians out there. It's not just left wingers,
although they have the same attitude on this, which is
let America dissolve into nothing, turned into some economic zone
with a giant welfare state. But Clay they the data
on this is intentionally not collected by various state governments.
(09:11):
The data on this is also harder to get because
they won't work with federal law enforcement when it comes
to immigration status and all these different sanctuary jurisdictions, and
this notion that somehow they're going to be better than Americans.
Who says this, I mean, think about there is no
country on the planet that is as diverse as we
are and that it has brought in as many people
(09:32):
I'm talking about apart from the invasion under Biden. I'm
just you know, we're very, very diverse country. And the
theory is that the people that are coming illegally are
going to be better than the three hundred and fifty
people that are here in terms of their work ethic
and they're leg Well, why would that be the case, Like,
in what world does that make any sense? In fact,
the economic burden and the cultural and social burden of
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bringing non English speaking, generally not even educated to a
sixth or seventh grade level, people from the Third World
who are arriving here with tremendous needs medical needs. Uh,
you know, social needs, all kinds of stuff that that
is going to be some huge benefit. We've we've got
a lot we had we had waves of single adult
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male illegal immigrants come into the country, and a lot
of them work, you know, work in restaurants and they
work in the in the service industry and everything else.
Those jobs have been fitned. They working, you know, farming,
those jobs have been filled. What we've had more recently
is people coming from the other side of the planet
because they don't have to go through the normal immigration system.
If they lie and say they're scared of violence in
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their country, the whole thing is a scam. Just what
everything I understand. Whatever you think the immigration system is
right now, it is worse than that, and it is
a choice that Democrats have made.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
And the other thing that is so important, I think
is where people are coming from. Historically, people would come
from Mexico, they would cross the border, they would work
seasonally in the United States, and they would very often
go back home. The people who are coming here now
are never leaving voluntarily.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You're not paying for a plane ticket from Southeast Asia
or West Africa or wherever, so they can go home.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Correct, And if you walked through the frickin' Dairian Gap
to make your way all the way from South America
up to the United States. You're never going back home
ever again for the rest of your life. So it's
not only the immigration patterns, Buck, it's how much different
they are relative to historical norms.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
And they're also ignoring so much law. People don't even
know this. I say these things, they look at me
and you know, people will argue with me online. And
you're not allowed to be in that. You're not allowed
to come to this country, even legally and become a
public charge. That's existing immigration law. Meaning even if you
come here and you're trying to get your green cart
or whatever, you're not supposed to be able to go
(11:58):
on welfare. That's what Ederro immigration law has said for decades,
because there was some understanding that if we just become
open borders with a welfare state. Go back to Milton Friedman,
you cannot have these things. And this is not only
a massive economic burden, but it really is the slow
motion dissolution of our political union. Of our politic people
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come from anywhere, you know, why shouldn't the thirty million
illegals in this country be able to vote. Ask a leftist,
they won't give you any real answer. Said, well, they've
been here, they're paying you know, they're working, they're not
paying in. But the other than Clay that they'll pay
income to half the country already doesn't pay income tax. Correct,
These are all going to be net beneficiaries of the state.
(12:41):
What's going to happen to them when they get into
their sixties. Who's going to pay for all the knee
replacements and the heart surgeries and the diabetes pills and
you know, start to look at this stuff. This is
a disaster.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Also, what is the right number? I would love for
Kama to answer that question. What is the right number
of illegal immigran To me, the answer is zero. Democrats
do they want one hundred million illegals? Like, what would
be the number where the average Democrat politician would suddenly say, hey,
you know what, it's too much.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Here's a fun question, Clay. Ask any Democrat you know
what's the downside of illegal immigration? They won't give you.
They won't have an answer for you. I'm not even
saying that you can't talk about positives. You know, there
are you know, and this is whatever everyone starts to
look at the individual versus the overall policies, say oh, well,
I know I know this guy, and he's got a
law care business, and he works so hard. He's a
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great family, and he's a great person. It's like, Okay,
that's one guy. We're talking about thirty million people. Yeah,
and we're talking about the buying that that puts on
the state. And you know this is we are reaching
the point of no return here. We may have already
reached it. Not gonna lie to you. I mean this
kind of goes beyond the election, where the debt is
too big to ever be tamed and the borders are
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too open to ever be closed because the other here's
a fun statistic that nobody talks about. And I wish
I wish Trump a little bit, wish you could have
gotten this in there, a little bit. You know, how
many people were deported Clay in twenty twenty three, including
people who were turned around at the border within one
hundred miles of the border and turned around immediately. Right,
Just do you have any any guests.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Who want for one hundred and forty Well, I was
gonna say thirty thousand, one hundred and forty two thousand.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, there were call it three million who came into
the country that year. There are crazy and the year
before that it was seventy thousand. So when you look
at this, your chances now are about three million illegal
entries a year, and there's a chance that you might
be one of the seventy to one hundred thousand that
get sent back. You know, those are really good odds.
(14:46):
You got to have massive increase in deportations. Russ. It's
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are talking about
all of the different lies that Kamala has told and
the question that is out there. Buck is that continues
to percolate. Will there be another debate? Because I'll just
point this out. In the twenty twenty cycle, Trump was
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the worst version of himself in the first debate against Biden.
In the second debate, I actually think Trump was the
best that he has been in the presidential arenas since
he was president, And so a part of me thinks
I'd like another.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Bite at the apple. Maybe if I'm Trump.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I don't know how you feel about this, and I'm
not sure that he's gonna want a debate again. But
I think think Kamala is so vulnerable that if he
went back and watched the tape, he would be like, Yeah,
I didn't give the best version of myself in that debate,
let me do it again. And I think he could
do better. But what's your kind of take on this?
We'll talk about it. I don't think. I don't think
(17:16):
it really matters at this point. I think that what's
gonna matter is is the ground game and the ad
spend in the key states. So I think live events
that Trump can do in Pennsylvania and Michigan, Wisconsin and
go right to the people have much We're gonna have
much more impact than you know who's watching the debates.
I think at this point the debates have a deminimous
(17:38):
impact unless you have a total catastrophe like what Biden did,
and that's not gonna happen for either side.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
That's mine.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I think that's what's likely to see with the data
that this thing really didn't.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Move things very much one way or the other.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
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Speaker 1 (18:51):
All right, welcome back, everybody. Great to have you with
us here on Clay and Buck. I bring you good news.
I mean it's not a done deal, but at least
it's a good news. A little SoundBite here, but I
love being able to tell you good things. And the
good news today is, according to the Cook Political Report,
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they are officially forecasting GOP control of the Senate. And
that is in part because Tim Sheehy, who is the
former Navy seal and entrepreneur running in Montana, looking good
against John Tester in that state. Montana goes and then
(19:33):
it looks like you're at fifty one Republican two, still
in toss up status, but looking like it's going to
be at least fifty one forty nine with Republican control
of the Senate, which is a very good thing. It's
nice to now that hasn't happened yet, and I know
that people, you know, people can be wrong and predictions
gon to be wrong, but h cook political report. This
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also lines up with what the trend has been for
a while here and what expectations have been. Democcrats have
a very difficult Senate map to defend this time around,
far more Democrat seats in play in a meaningful way
than on the Republican side. So no one, I think,
is Clay right. No one's surprised by this, but it's
just getting closer to being a reality. And we still
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have to pedal to the medal for Trump. But at
least if they don't have unified government. I don't want
to go there, but it would limit the damage that
a Harris administration would be able to do somewhat. It
would be bad, but it would put the brakes on it.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It goes back in time too. As devastating as the
close loss we understand in the rig twenty twenty election was,
it actually I think was just as bad and got
very little comparable attention that we lost to Georgia Senate
seats which still are in Democrat control right now, which
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is what allowed Biden to pass his multi trip billion
dollars spending bills, which led to the nine percent inflation.
I mean, if we had just won one of those races,
it would have severely curtailed whatever power existed there. So
if you're out there, and I understand Buck you me,
(21:16):
we're all fired up about what's going to happen in
the presidential election. But my goodness, Ohio, Bernie Marino has
been on this show several times. If you are listening
to us right now in Ohio, and I know many
of you are, because in recent months we have been
number one in Columbus, Cincinnati and also Cleveland, you guys
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are great. We have a massive Ohio audience. You have
to turn out for Bernie Marino. You can't reelect Sharad Brown.
And then Montana's everybody listening in Montana right now. She
he is a must win election as well over John
Tester at a minimum if we win those two. And
you might say, Okay, Clay, why are you saying why
does it I'd like to look I'd like to win.
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I'm going to be campaigning with Dave McCormick cup in Pennsylvania,
going to have Sam Brown on in Nevada. Carry Lake
has been on this show a bunch. There are many
different Senate races that are important that can be won.
But Buck, I don't just want to have a fifty
one to forty nine advantage because if Kamala were somehow
to win, and these are older senators, I hate to
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say it, but there are a lot of older senators.
One guy gets sick, one gal gets sick and suddenly
has a health concern and isn't able to continue, or
God forbid, somebody dies in a fifty to fifty senate.
Democrats take back control if they have the White House.
So you want to be up at least I think
a couple of seats so one older person's health doesn't
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flip back control of the Senate to the Democrat party.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Clay wants to run up the scoreboard, which I like. Yes,
so let's run up that scoreboard. That would be that
would be excellent to that end, what is the best
the best pathway to get us there from here? On
the on the presidential side, look, we've got the Vance
Wall debate coming that that'll be more just uh, that'd
be more of like a political enthusiasts night, you know,
(23:06):
I mean, you got to really care about this stuff
to watch that one. I think because not gonna it's
not gonna move the needle in any meaningful way. But
I think jad Vance is going to pick apart Tim Walls, uh,
pretty pretty handily. I mean, look, you can always fall
back on the talking points, right, you can always be
like Trump is a threat to democracy and I care
about the middle class. I mean, you know, there's it's
(23:27):
not hard to put in a mediocre debate performance in
this in these context, right. Look look at Kamala, you know,
Clay I went back and watched it. She gave practiced
and memorized speeches over everyone's like, Oh, she's more articulate
than I thought she'd be. On the policies, she learned
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her lines. If you look at the questions that she
was asked by the moderators, which were always you know,
tilted to make it favorable for her anyway it did.
They could have asked, Kamala, what's your favorite break? What
food is? It was I'm a middle class you know,
I was born in middle class family, and I want
to help the middle class. And I know, well, we
asked you if you had Cheerio's or Kellogg's this point
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doesn't matter. She went straight with the reheard so and
you know, if someone's going to do that, you're not
gonna be able to corner them because they're not even engaging.
I think Jadvan's going to be very good on this.
But one thing here, should Trump debate again? Will he
debate again? Jd Vance weighed in on this, This is
cut twenty play it.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
I do think the President had a very good night,
and I know the pundits are trying to tell this
story that Kamala Harris knocked him off his game or
got under his skin. But if you look at how
undecided voters reacted to last night, if you look at
the complete lack of any real specificity to Kamala harris plans.
This is a person who's been vice president for three
and a half years, has presided over record inflation, a
wide open southern border, and yet has these super vague
(24:52):
slogans for how she's going to fix it. If the
American people give for a promotion, I think most Americans.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Who saw that, they just don't buy it.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
They don't believe that this person is going to be
radically different than she has been in the past, three
and a half years. So I think the President had
a great night.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
It's ultimately up to him.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Obviously, he likes these debates and he's good at them,
so I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to step
back in the ring. But I also wouldn't be surprised
if he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
So, you know, could go either way. I think. I
don't know. I don't think there's gonna be another presidential event.
I don't feel strong in this one though, so don't
think you're getting a stake bet out of this one.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I could go either way. I would if I were
designing this right now. First of all, I think Fox
News should host a debate, and as you said yesterday,
I think the reality is Fox would be right down
the middle.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I know Trump went on Fox and Friends on Wednesday
morning and said he didn't want Brett Bayer or Martha
McCallum anymore. I think he'd like the guy after us
to do a debate, Sean Hannity or Jesse Waters.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
It would be great. But you know, I can understand,
I can understand a little bit why the Democrats would
quake in their boots on that one.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Kavel is not going in with Sean Hannity or Jesse
Waters or Klay Travis or Bucks. I still think my
idea is actually great television and also would be very
explanatory for the average American voter. Of Trump picks the
person that he wants to ask questions of Kamala Harris,
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Kamala Harris picks the person that she wants to ask
questions of Donald Trump, and maybe you end up with
in that scenario a Sean Hannity and Rachel Maddow moderated
debate with Hannity asking the questions of Kamala and Mattow
asking the questions of Trump. I think if that were
to occur, Kamala would crumble against aggressive, but honest and
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fair questioning. And I think that Trump would be able
to handle Rachel Maddow because he's actually gone into the
lions den a lot with left wing questioners. Remember that
Caitlin god her name not Caitlin Clark, who everybody now
talks about all the time, who is on CNN in
(27:01):
the Kitelon Collins, who is on CNN did the town
hall that basically got the head of CNN fired. Because
it worked out so well for Trump, He's gone into
the lion dens before. He just did it with ABC,
he did it with CNN with the moderators. I don't
think he would struggle. I think Kamala would collapse. And
that's why I think if Trump put that forward as
(27:23):
an idea, he could call her a chicken for not
wanting to debate again, which I think is why there
is some advantage to trying to set the parameters of
a debate in advance. I also think it would be
actually explanatory and helpful for the American viewer.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Well, I would like to see it. I'm not sure
we will see it, and it really is. It's pretty
disappointing that it's even a consideration that the Democrats can
run somebody whose entire campaign is I don't believe anything
that I've ever said in public life before of any
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concent sequence, and I'm not going to answer for it anywhere.
Vote for me, and that's basically what they're doing. I
understand it was, you know, it was very frustrating, but
I understand some of the psychology of how they pulled
it off with Biden in twenty twenty. I can understand
for people who were very you know, there was a
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mass delusion about you know, the need for vaccine mandates,
and and there was well that wasn't really quite in
play yet, but about mass mandates and lockdowns and all
this stuff. People were scared, and there was this grandfatherly
figure who represented change. What we were told was going
to be just a nice guy and everything would be normal.
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They were lies. But I could see how somebody might say,
it's Joe Biden. How bad could it be. I don't
agree with this, but I'm just saying that doesn't shock
me that somebody who's not that into politics was like,
I mean, Joe Biden, I mean, you know, the guy's
kind of a clown. But with Kamala Harris, you that
means you're willing to say, oh, yes, she doesn't believe
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anything that she believed the first you know, fifty whatever
years of her life, fifty nine years of her life.
I totally buy that she just changed her mind in
August of twenty twenty four. To believe this, you have
to be very dim witted. I mean, really, this is unacceptable.
The Democrats are just voting for she's a Democrat. I
get this.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I don't begrudge people changing their minds, but I think
when you change your mind and go to the diametrical opposition,
you should be questioned on it and have to explain it,
especially if it's so politically expedient.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Well, this is what I was gonna say. Is the
real problem that she hasn't changed her mind on any
of this. Right. The part of this that is almost
more insulting than anything else is that Kamala Harris has
this whole surrogate campaign, whisper campaign of she doesn't believe
in that crazy thing, she doesn't believe in this other
crazy thing. If she wins, guess what he believes in
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all the crazy things? Again, she has changed her mind
on nothing.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Correct, and she will implement as much of that as
she can. As Bernie Sanders said, they're like, Bernie, are
you worried that she's it's.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
All the kids like, she's a giant fraud, She's a phony.
I love it. She's gonna fool the imbeciles, get them
to vote for her, and then full on communism.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I didn't mind Bernie and even Elizabeth Warren. I disagree
with them completely, but they didn't try to hide what
they actually believed in to a large extent. Now, look
Elizabeth Warren lied about being a fake Indian, which I
think is pretty, which is very funny. That is very funny.
But at least they let you know what they believe.
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Kamala just thought she had to be far left wing
to be the nominee. She was wrong, and now she
realizes to win the election in twenty four, she's got
to pretend to all the things that she said she
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I'm super optimistic about something I am seeing in the
American culture at large, many different celebrities out there. I
know Taylor Swift, as many of us anticipated she would
(35:31):
came out and said she was voting for Kamala Harris.
But actually there is a tremendous amount of big time
celebrities that are saying, hey, I don't really think I
should be in the business of doing any kind of endorsement,
and so I'm going to play some of this audio.
All of it came out yesterday. Patrick Mahomes probably the
(35:54):
most famous male athlete in America right now, Caitlin Clark
probably the most famous female athlete in America right now,
and the singer Usher was on the view of all things.
Joy Behart tried to put pressure on him to endorse
Kamala Harris and he wouldn't do it. What's going on
(36:15):
out there in the sports and cultural arena that is
meaning and leading to a lot of people who were
super active in twenty twenty and in twenty sixteen not
being willing to.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Do the same. In twenty twenty four, I'm going to
talk about it.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I think it's really a fascinating pivot point in the culture,
and I'll lay out why I think that is. Plus,
we're going to be joined by our friend Chip Roy
from down in the great State of Texas, talk about
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All right, second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off now,
and we have some updates for you on the numbers,
the post debate numbers. For example, this one Michigan poll
from Insider Polling, you have Trump forty nine, Harris forty eight,
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other one percent. I believe RFK Junior is on that
ballot still, Clay, is that correct?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yes, guys, based on the Michigan Supreme Court decision that
may or may not get appealed on a federal level.
But yes, right now he is on that ballot.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Look, it's cool, it hasn't nothing's happened yet, and so
I'm willing to withhold withhold my angst over this. But
we've got a one point race in Michigan right now
according to the latest poll that I can that I
can see here, and a third party candidate getting one point. Now,
(01:06):
we don't know what exactly that one point would who
that would go to, but I've got some ideas. So
it's it's a big deal. But the point here, what
I think is is a a good indicator of things
is that right now, Uh, there are some polling, there's
some polling that shows Trump actually up a point or
two from where he was before the debate. In Swing States,
(01:28):
there has been nothing, nothing to suggest that there is
any like major fallout from the Trump debate, not that
I would think there would be, but it's it's effectively
what we thought, which is that there has been some
marginal movement here and there, and I think that in
terms of the polling, it's largely a draw. Uh. And
(01:50):
I think one of the reasons for this is that
I know that you know, if you're if you're complaining
about the refs, you're losing. I understand that, but also
like if the ref if you find out that the
refs were paid a bag of cash before the game,
like sometimes the refs really are a problem. And I
think that ABC News crossed over into that territory where
any honest observer would say, wow, this is like this
(02:13):
is pretty out of hand. Not just Trump voters anyway,
but they're also the focus on immigration that has illegal
immigration that has come out of all this clay. You know,
I think that there's there's still a lot of back
and forth over whether or not anybody has taken pets
(02:35):
or ducks in a park and and hilled and eating them.
And I would not have advised Trump to have jumped
on that issue. I think that's, you know, while that's
very visceral and and has impacted the news cycle this week,
I think that the the bigger issues of immigration, of
illegal immigration, notably, and really just the the wide openess
(03:00):
of our of our border policy, not even just at
the US Mexico border. People are flying into the country
now on these parole programs that Biden has set up
where and you're they're applying on in apps on their
phones in foreign countries. One hundreds of thousand people coming
to the country. It's a it is a complete mess.
And here's a story. For example. Here is a Springfield,
(03:22):
Ohio resident whose mother in law was killed by somebody
covered under TPS Temporary Protected Status from Haiti play twenty three.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Everyone is talking about the death of ducks and cats
in this town that I'd like to talk about the
death of one very special person, my mother in law,
Kathy Heen. On December first, I received a phone call
that changed my life forever. She was collecting her trash
can from her driveway when I struck and killer instantly
atash she had done over two thousand times spanning four
(03:58):
decades in Springfield. That morning, though, a Haitian immigrant was
allegedly driving recklessly when he struck and killed her.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I say allegedly because to the state.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
There's been no punishment, not even for the expired tags
on the vehicle he was driving.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
You know, Clay. There are many more stories, and Trump
has been talking to some of the families of people
who have had There have been deaths there, I mean murders,
There have been rapes. There have been the most serious
of crimes committed by people who in some cases should
have never been allowed into the country period, and other
cases came into the country illegally then sort of scammed
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the system to manage to stay after their illegal entry.
These are people who should be more grateful to the
American people and show a greater focus on not causing problems,
obeying our laws, and beings as thankful as they possibly
(04:58):
can do whatever community they choose to spend their time
and while they're under TPS or whatever. And we keep
seeing these stories, and the stories are very upsetting because
people realize it didn't have to be this way.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
This is super important. The illegal immigrant crime rate in
America should be zero. I want to repeat that because
it's really important. And I feel like sometimes we don't
drill down to the essence of an issue. That is
an awful story that that woman just told. But there
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are stories like that in every major city in America,
many rural areas, every state. American citizens are being killed
by illegal immigrants who should not be here. I wish
we had a crime rate of zero. Statistics are going
to reflect that that is impossible anywhere. We should try
(05:55):
to drive down crime to the lowest possible level. And
when citizens of the Union United States commit crimes, there
should be severe consequences. But there should be an illegal
immigrant crime rate in this country of zero. And I
cannot imagine if you are so unfortunate that your family
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member is a victim of a violent crime, that you
wouldn't be through the roof furious if that violent criminal
should have never been here and making it even worse.
Very often, buck what the case is that violent criminal
has often been arrested for a previous crime and not
had any consequences at all, and released to continue to
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recavoc upon our streets. The Lake and Riley example is
a perfect one. University of Georgia, just off the campus
in Athens, Young nursing student goes for a jog gets
murdered by an illegal immigrant. That it should have never
been here. Every community in America now of any decent
size has a lake and riley. And so for people
(07:02):
to say and that, you know what the response to
this is. The response to this is typically, well, illegal
immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than American citizens.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
That's the defense. That's not a defense.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
First of all, you can argue about whether that's going
to be the case going forward, because most of the
illegal immigrants coming into this country right now buck are
men sixteen to forty, And most people who commit violent
crimes in America, guess what age they are, men sixteen
to forty. But even if that is true, on a
statistical basis that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower
(07:37):
rate violent crime, the rate should be zero.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
We should have a border and not allow anybody in.
But that's the defense they try.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
To talk point use, that's a garb that's a garbage statistic.
And here's why they don't want to know how many
illegals commit crimes. Here's how many we have. That's the
other part of the course, right, But we don't even
have to die Yeah, that ties in together, right. I mean,
they don't want to know how many illegals are here.
They don't want to know how many illegals are in
(08:06):
the prison system. I mean, you could look at this.
The the information, the data on this is so scattered,
it's so hard to find. And yet if you were
looking and say, you know LA County's most wanted list,
you know who's the top ten on the LA counties,
You'll see suspiciously a high number of illegals in the country.
(08:26):
You'll say, oh, wait a second, because it'll say, you know,
so and so is an illegal entered the country. You
know killed three people. And now on yep, this idea
that the illegals who come into the country are are
somehow better than Americans also goes to this idea that
the illegals who come to the country are harder working
and they're going to contribute more. And this is what
(08:47):
the lunatics, and some of them are I would note
libertarians funded by corporate interests. They're liberty. There are lunatic
open borders libertarians out there. It's not just left wingers,
although they have the same attitude on this, which is
let America dissolve into nothing, turned into some economic zone
with a giant welfare state. But Clay they the data
on this is intentionally not collected by various state governments.
(09:11):
The data on this is also harder to get because
they won't work with federal law enforcement when it comes
to immigration status and all these different sanctuary jurisdictions, and
this notion that somehow they're going to be better than Americans.
Who says this, I mean, think about there is no
country on the planet that is as diverse as we
are and that it has brought in as many people
(09:32):
I'm talking about apart from the invasion under Biden. I'm
just you know, we're very, very diverse country. And the
theory is that the people that are coming illegally are
going to be better than the three hundred and fifty
people that are here in terms of their work ethic
and they're leg Well, why would that be the case, Like,
in what world does that make any sense? In fact,
the economic burden and the cultural and social burden of
(09:55):
bringing non English speaking, generally not even educated to a
sixth or seventh grade level, people from the Third World
who are arriving here with tremendous needs medical needs. Uh,
you know, social needs, all kinds of stuff that that
is going to be some huge benefit. We've we've got
a lot we had we had waves of single adult
(10:18):
male illegal immigrants come into the country, and a lot
of them work, you know, work in restaurants and they
work in the in the service industry and everything else.
Those jobs have been fitned. They working, you know, farming,
those jobs have been filled. What we've had more recently
is people coming from the other side of the planet
because they don't have to go through the normal immigration system.
If they lie and say they're scared of violence in
(10:39):
their country, the whole thing is a scam. Just what
everything I understand. Whatever you think the immigration system is
right now, it is worse than that, and it is
a choice that Democrats have made.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
And the other thing that is so important, I think
is where people are coming from. Historically, people would come
from Mexico, they would cross the border, they would work
seasonally in the United States, and they would very often
go back home. The people who are coming here now
are never leaving voluntarily.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You're not paying for a plane ticket from Southeast Asia
or West Africa or wherever, so they can go home.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Correct, And if you walked through the frickin' Dairian Gap
to make your way all the way from South America
up to the United States. You're never going back home
ever again for the rest of your life. So it's
not only the immigration patterns, Buck, it's how much different
they are relative to historical norms.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
And they're also ignoring so much law. People don't even
know this. I say these things, they look at me
and you know, people will argue with me online. And
you're not allowed to be in that. You're not allowed
to come to this country, even legally and become a
public charge. That's existing immigration law. Meaning even if you
come here and you're trying to get your green cart
or whatever, you're not supposed to be able to go
(11:58):
on welfare. That's what Ederro immigration law has said for decades,
because there was some understanding that if we just become
open borders with a welfare state. Go back to Milton Friedman,
you cannot have these things. And this is not only
a massive economic burden, but it really is the slow
motion dissolution of our political union. Of our politic people
(12:21):
come from anywhere, you know, why shouldn't the thirty million
illegals in this country be able to vote. Ask a leftist,
they won't give you any real answer. Said, well, they've
been here, they're paying you know, they're working, they're not
paying in. But the other than Clay that they'll pay
income to half the country already doesn't pay income tax. Correct,
These are all going to be net beneficiaries of the state.
(12:41):
What's going to happen to them when they get into
their sixties. Who's going to pay for all the knee
replacements and the heart surgeries and the diabetes pills and
you know, start to look at this stuff. This is
a disaster.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Also, what is the right number? I would love for
Kama to answer that question. What is the right number
of illegal immigran To me, the answer is zero. Democrats
do they want one hundred million illegals? Like, what would
be the number where the average Democrat politician would suddenly say, hey,
you know what, it's too much.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Here's a fun question, Clay. Ask any Democrat you know
what's the downside of illegal immigration? They won't give you.
They won't have an answer for you. I'm not even
saying that you can't talk about positives. You know, there
are you know, and this is whatever everyone starts to
look at the individual versus the overall policies, say oh, well,
I know I know this guy, and he's got a
law care business, and he works so hard. He's a
(13:35):
great family, and he's a great person. It's like, Okay,
that's one guy. We're talking about thirty million people. Yeah,
and we're talking about the buying that that puts on
the state. And you know this is we are reaching
the point of no return here. We may have already
reached it. Not gonna lie to you. I mean this
kind of goes beyond the election, where the debt is
too big to ever be tamed and the borders are
(13:56):
too open to ever be closed because the other here's
a fun statistic that nobody talks about. And I wish
I wish Trump a little bit, wish you could have
gotten this in there, a little bit. You know, how
many people were deported Clay in twenty twenty three, including
people who were turned around at the border within one
hundred miles of the border and turned around immediately. Right,
Just do you have any any guests.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Who want for one hundred and forty Well, I was
gonna say thirty thousand, one hundred and forty two thousand.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, there were call it three million who came into
the country that year. There are crazy and the year
before that it was seventy thousand. So when you look
at this, your chances now are about three million illegal
entries a year, and there's a chance that you might
be one of the seventy to one hundred thousand that
get sent back. You know, those are really good odds.
(14:46):
You got to have massive increase in deportations. Russ. It's
never stopped. Sorry, I got fired up, so I went
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are talking about
all of the different lies that Kamala has told and
the question that is out there. Buck is that continues
to percolate. Will there be another debate? Because I'll just
point this out. In the twenty twenty cycle, Trump was
(16:35):
the worst version of himself in the first debate against Biden.
In the second debate, I actually think Trump was the
best that he has been in the presidential arenas since
he was president, And so a part of me thinks
I'd like another.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Bite at the apple. Maybe if I'm Trump.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I don't know how you feel about this, and I'm
not sure that he's gonna want a debate again. But
I think think Kamala is so vulnerable that if he
went back and watched the tape, he would be like, Yeah,
I didn't give the best version of myself in that debate,
let me do it again. And I think he could
do better. But what's your kind of take on this?
We'll talk about it. I don't think. I don't think
(17:16):
it really matters at this point. I think that what's
gonna matter is is the ground game and the ad
spend in the key states. So I think live events
that Trump can do in Pennsylvania and Michigan, Wisconsin and
go right to the people have much We're gonna have
much more impact than you know who's watching the debates.
I think at this point the debates have a deminimous
(17:38):
impact unless you have a total catastrophe like what Biden did,
and that's not gonna happen for either side.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
That's mine.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I think that's what's likely to see with the data
that this thing really didn't.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
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I mean it's not a done deal, but at least
it's a good news. A little SoundBite here, but I
love being able to tell you good things. And the
good news today is, according to the Cook Political Report,
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they are officially forecasting GOP control of the Senate. And
that is in part because Tim Sheehy, who is the
former Navy seal and entrepreneur running in Montana, looking good
against John Tester in that state. Montana goes and then
(19:33):
it looks like you're at fifty one Republican two, still
in toss up status, but looking like it's going to
be at least fifty one forty nine with Republican control
of the Senate, which is a very good thing. It's
nice to now that hasn't happened yet, and I know
that people, you know, people can be wrong and predictions
gon to be wrong, but h cook political report. This
(19:55):
also lines up with what the trend has been for
a while here and what expectations have been. Democcrats have
a very difficult Senate map to defend this time around,
far more Democrat seats in play in a meaningful way
than on the Republican side. So no one, I think,
is Clay right. No one's surprised by this, but it's
just getting closer to being a reality. And we still
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have to pedal to the medal for Trump. But at
least if they don't have unified government. I don't want
to go there, but it would limit the damage that
a Harris administration would be able to do somewhat. It
would be bad, but it would put the brakes on it.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It goes back in time too. As devastating as the
close loss we understand in the rig twenty twenty election was,
it actually I think was just as bad and got
very little comparable attention that we lost to Georgia Senate
seats which still are in Democrat control right now, which
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is what allowed Biden to pass his multi trip billion
dollars spending bills, which led to the nine percent inflation.
I mean, if we had just won one of those races,
it would have severely curtailed whatever power existed there. So
if you're out there, and I understand Buck you me,
(21:16):
we're all fired up about what's going to happen in
the presidential election. But my goodness, Ohio, Bernie Marino has
been on this show several times. If you are listening
to us right now in Ohio, and I know many
of you are, because in recent months we have been
number one in Columbus, Cincinnati and also Cleveland, you guys
(21:36):
are great. We have a massive Ohio audience. You have
to turn out for Bernie Marino. You can't reelect Sharad Brown.
And then Montana's everybody listening in Montana right now. She
he is a must win election as well over John
Tester at a minimum if we win those two. And
you might say, Okay, Clay, why are you saying why
does it I'd like to look I'd like to win.
(21:56):
I'm going to be campaigning with Dave McCormick cup in Pennsylvania,
going to have Sam Brown on in Nevada. Carry Lake
has been on this show a bunch. There are many
different Senate races that are important that can be won.
But Buck, I don't just want to have a fifty
one to forty nine advantage because if Kamala were somehow
to win, and these are older senators, I hate to
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say it, but there are a lot of older senators.
One guy gets sick, one gal gets sick and suddenly
has a health concern and isn't able to continue, or
God forbid, somebody dies in a fifty to fifty senate.
Democrats take back control if they have the White House.
So you want to be up at least I think
a couple of seats so one older person's health doesn't
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flip back control of the Senate to the Democrat party.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Clay wants to run up the scoreboard, which I like. Yes,
so let's run up that scoreboard. That would be that
would be excellent to that end, what is the best
the best pathway to get us there from here? On
the on the presidential side, look, we've got the Vance
Wall debate coming that that'll be more just uh, that'd
be more of like a political enthusiasts night, you know,
(23:06):
I mean, you got to really care about this stuff
to watch that one. I think because not gonna it's
not gonna move the needle in any meaningful way. But
I think jad Vance is going to pick apart Tim Walls, uh,
pretty pretty handily. I mean, look, you can always fall
back on the talking points, right, you can always be
like Trump is a threat to democracy and I care
about the middle class. I mean, you know, there's it's
(23:27):
not hard to put in a mediocre debate performance in
this in these context, right. Look look at Kamala, you know,
Clay I went back and watched it. She gave practiced
and memorized speeches over everyone's like, Oh, she's more articulate
than I thought she'd be. On the policies, she learned
(23:48):
her lines. If you look at the questions that she
was asked by the moderators, which were always you know,
tilted to make it favorable for her anyway it did.
They could have asked, Kamala, what's your favorite break? What
food is? It was I'm a middle class you know,
I was born in middle class family, and I want
to help the middle class. And I know, well, we
asked you if you had Cheerio's or Kellogg's this point
(24:10):
doesn't matter. She went straight with the reheard so and
you know, if someone's going to do that, you're not
gonna be able to corner them because they're not even engaging.
I think Jadvan's going to be very good on this.
But one thing here, should Trump debate again? Will he
debate again? Jd Vance weighed in on this, This is
cut twenty play it.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
I do think the President had a very good night,
and I know the pundits are trying to tell this
story that Kamala Harris knocked him off his game or
got under his skin. But if you look at how
undecided voters reacted to last night, if you look at
the complete lack of any real specificity to Kamala harris plans.
This is a person who's been vice president for three
and a half years, has presided over record inflation, a
wide open southern border, and yet has these super vague
(24:52):
slogans for how she's going to fix it. If the
American people give for a promotion, I think most Americans.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Who saw that, they just don't buy it.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
They don't believe that this person is going to be
radically different than she has been in the past, three
and a half years. So I think the President had
a great night.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
It's ultimately up to him.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Obviously, he likes these debates and he's good at them,
so I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to step
back in the ring. But I also wouldn't be surprised
if he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
So, you know, could go either way. I think. I
don't know. I don't think there's gonna be another presidential event.
I don't feel strong in this one though, so don't
think you're getting a stake bet out of this one.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I could go either way. I would if I were
designing this right now. First of all, I think Fox
News should host a debate, and as you said yesterday,
I think the reality is Fox would be right down
the middle.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I know Trump went on Fox and Friends on Wednesday
morning and said he didn't want Brett Bayer or Martha
McCallum anymore. I think he'd like the guy after us
to do a debate, Sean Hannity or Jesse Waters.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
It would be great. But you know, I can understand,
I can understand a little bit why the Democrats would
quake in their boots on that one.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Kavel is not going in with Sean Hannity or Jesse
Waters or Klay Travis or Bucks. I still think my
idea is actually great television and also would be very
explanatory for the average American voter. Of Trump picks the
person that he wants to ask questions of Kamala Harris,
(26:16):
Kamala Harris picks the person that she wants to ask
questions of Donald Trump, and maybe you end up with
in that scenario a Sean Hannity and Rachel Maddow moderated
debate with Hannity asking the questions of Kamala and Mattow
asking the questions of Trump. I think if that were
to occur, Kamala would crumble against aggressive, but honest and
(26:40):
fair questioning. And I think that Trump would be able
to handle Rachel Maddow because he's actually gone into the
lions den a lot with left wing questioners. Remember that
Caitlin god her name not Caitlin Clark, who everybody now
talks about all the time, who is on CNN in
(27:01):
the Kitelon Collins, who is on CNN did the town
hall that basically got the head of CNN fired. Because
it worked out so well for Trump, He's gone into
the lion dens before. He just did it with ABC,
he did it with CNN with the moderators. I don't
think he would struggle. I think Kamala would collapse. And
that's why I think if Trump put that forward as
(27:23):
an idea, he could call her a chicken for not
wanting to debate again, which I think is why there
is some advantage to trying to set the parameters of
a debate in advance. I also think it would be
actually explanatory and helpful for the American viewer.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Well, I would like to see it. I'm not sure
we will see it, and it really is. It's pretty
disappointing that it's even a consideration that the Democrats can
run somebody whose entire campaign is I don't believe anything
that I've ever said in public life before of any
(27:59):
concent sequence, and I'm not going to answer for it anywhere.
Vote for me, and that's basically what they're doing. I
understand it was, you know, it was very frustrating, but
I understand some of the psychology of how they pulled
it off with Biden in twenty twenty. I can understand
for people who were very you know, there was a
(28:21):
mass delusion about you know, the need for vaccine mandates,
and and there was well that wasn't really quite in
play yet, but about mass mandates and lockdowns and all
this stuff. People were scared, and there was this grandfatherly
figure who represented change. What we were told was going
to be just a nice guy and everything would be normal.
(28:42):
They were lies. But I could see how somebody might say,
it's Joe Biden. How bad could it be. I don't
agree with this, but I'm just saying that doesn't shock
me that somebody who's not that into politics was like,
I mean, Joe Biden, I mean, you know, the guy's
kind of a clown. But with Kamala Harris, you that
means you're willing to say, oh, yes, she doesn't believe
(29:04):
anything that she believed the first you know, fifty whatever
years of her life, fifty nine years of her life.
I totally buy that she just changed her mind in
August of twenty twenty four. To believe this, you have
to be very dim witted. I mean, really, this is unacceptable.
The Democrats are just voting for she's a Democrat. I
get this.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I don't begrudge people changing their minds, but I think
when you change your mind and go to the diametrical opposition,
you should be questioned on it and have to explain it,
especially if it's so politically expedient.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Well, this is what I was gonna say. Is the
real problem that she hasn't changed her mind on any
of this. Right. The part of this that is almost
more insulting than anything else is that Kamala Harris has
this whole surrogate campaign, whisper campaign of she doesn't believe
in that crazy thing, she doesn't believe in this other
crazy thing. If she wins, guess what he believes in
(30:00):
all the crazy things? Again, she has changed her mind
on nothing.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Correct, and she will implement as much of that as
she can. As Bernie Sanders said, they're like, Bernie, are
you worried that she's it's.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
All the kids like, she's a giant fraud, She's a phony.
I love it. She's gonna fool the imbeciles, get them
to vote for her, and then full on communism.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I didn't mind Bernie and even Elizabeth Warren. I disagree
with them completely, but they didn't try to hide what
they actually believed in to a large extent. Now, look
Elizabeth Warren lied about being a fake Indian, which I
think is pretty, which is very funny. That is very funny.
But at least they let you know what they believe.
(30:45):
Kamala just thought she had to be far left wing
to be the nominee. She was wrong, and now she
realizes to win the election in twenty four, she's got
to pretend to all the things that she said she
supported she doesn't actually support. All Right, Buck, Thursday night football,
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an email from one of the guys down at the Alamo.
We are going to go down to San Antonio at
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to tour again. I haven't been to San Antonio. This
is true since I was six years old and I
was obsessed with the history of the Alamo, went on
the tour down in San Antonio. Appreciate, by the way,
all of you listening to us in San Antonio. Great
audience down there, and we're gonna do an event with
the radio show.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
But I also want to do wi j wi. Big
thank you to all of you listening down there in
San anton.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
We're going to do a radio event for the listeners
in San Antonio. We'll figure that out in the spring.
But we also want to do a Crockett subscriber coffee event.
We're going to give you the date. But if you
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coffee with Buck and I, maybe you just want to
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tour the Alamo, like we are all going to do
at some point in the spring, so that is on
the horizon. You can sign up and be a part
of that. We'll send you an email and say, hey,
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And if you're a Crockett Coffee subscriber, you can come
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gonna set all that up now, Buck we come back.
I'm super optimistic about something I am seeing in the
American culture at large, many different celebrities out there. I
know Taylor Swift, as many of us anticipated she would
(35:31):
came out and said she was voting for Kamala Harris.
But actually there is a tremendous amount of big time
celebrities that are saying, hey, I don't really think I
should be in the business of doing any kind of endorsement,
and so I'm going to play some of this audio.
All of it came out yesterday. Patrick Mahomes probably the
(35:54):
most famous male athlete in America right now, Caitlin Clark
probably the most famous female athlete in America right now,
and the singer Usher was on the view of all things.
Joy Behart tried to put pressure on him to endorse
Kamala Harris and he wouldn't do it. What's going on
(36:15):
out there in the sports and cultural arena that is
meaning and leading to a lot of people who were
super active in twenty twenty and in twenty sixteen not
being willing to.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Do the same. In twenty twenty four, I'm going to
talk about it.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I think it's really a fascinating pivot point in the culture,
and I'll lay out why I think that is. Plus,
we're going to be joined by our friend Chip Roy
from down in the great State of Texas, talk about
the latest down there, All that and more. Thanks for
hanging with us on the Thursday edition of Claim Back.
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