January 11, 2024 • 36 mins
Trump senior advisor Stephen Miller tells Clay and Buck in granular detail how Trump will implement the largest deportation in U.S. history if elected president. Trump explains his dictator remark on immigration and oil. Fetterman makes sense again, this time on South African genocide. Speaker of the House Mike Johnson talks to Clay and Buck on the budget negotiations, his approach to governing, and what he saw at the border. Will weather impact the Iowa caucus?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
All right, second hour of Play and Buck chicks off
right now. We are joined by our friend Steven Miller,
formerly senior advisor in the Trump White House, and he's
also the founder of America First Legal. Steven, good to
have you on the program.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Thank you. Great to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
As always, so we have guys, let's start with this one.
We all know the borders that told disaster Steven. The
good news is I mean, not that there's any good
news about this, but this audience very up to speed
on the numbers, the criminality, the lawlessness, and the Biden
administration's utter refusal to do anything meaningful about it. Last
night we heard from President Trump about his proposals, and
(00:47):
here's one thing we talked to. There was a talk
of deportations, rapidly escalating the deportations. Here's what Trump said,
Play fifteen.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
How will you gather the over millions that have already
entered our country illegally and returned them to their country
of origin?
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Great question. It's not sustainable for our country. We have
millions and millions of people here. It is not sustainable.
Did you see in New York City with it getting
the regular students out and they're putting migrants in their place.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
We are going to.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
Have the largest deportation effort in the history of our country.
We're bringing everybody back to where they came from.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
We have no choice, we have no chils. All right, Steven,
you heard it from the man himself.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
What would that look like? What would that deportation effort?
I mean, walk us through how that happens.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yes, well, this is something, of course that we've given
a great deal of thought to. And I'm speaking to
you now in my personal capacity. When I say this,
I am one hundred percent and confident that when President
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Trump takes the oath of office, we will begin and
initiate the largest deportation operation, as he said, in the
history of our country. And the way this will be
done is by number one, involving and leveraging the enormous
federal assets at our disposal beyond the Board of Patrol
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and ICE. So right now, ICE has about six thousand
deportation officers as your starting point. That's not very many.
That's you know, New York City has thirty thousand cops
to put that respective six thousand for the whole country.
So you begin by number one, taking HSI, which is
the organization on top of ice Homeland security investigations, and
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you can pull another probably ten eleven thousand guns and
badges from HSI. Then you go into the Department of Justice,
while you get CBP extra resources for interior operations. Then
you go into de J you pull from FBI atf DEA.
Then you go into from there your other departments and
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agencies that have their own police forces. For example, even
the National Park Service has a significant police service. Then
beyond that is when you bring in the National Guard.
And you do this by going to each of the
different states. You know, just take a pick, right, you
go to, say the governor of Alabama, and you say,
we need to use your National guardsmen to carry out
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deportation operations in and around your state. So it's not
just in the state they're coming from, but you try
to do it regionally for efficiency's sake, so like in
the Southeast region, you know, for example, and then you
go to the sheriffs and the police departments and using
the authority that is delegated to the Secretary of Homeland Security,
you're then able to deputize those individuals as well. But
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the key for efficiency sake is that it has to
be done under the control of your most experienced deportation officers.
In other words, this isn't just like you show up
and you say to a group of people, all right,
now you're immigration officers, because it's an incredibly challenging, complicated
and it's very data driven knowing where the illegals are
and what their case disposition is. So you have experienced
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your best ice officers running these teams that are blends
of federal, state, and local and National Guard for resources. Then,
as we've talked about before, you have to have staging
facilities for outbound flights, right because if you collect a
group of people, say you cook to one hundred people
one day in Alabama, they're going to be from two
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dozen different countries. Each country you have a different plane
of different manifested, different everything. So you have to have
somewhere to hold these people while you're waiting for these
outbound flights and of course dealing with all of the
legal challenges other things that are going to arise, which
that brings me to my next point, which is that
the state Department has to be also the leading edge
of this, and one of the things that I experienced
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firsthand and but many people outside of government I realized,
is the State Department is the tip of the spear
in any deportation operation. There was obtaining unconditional compliance from
countries around the world. So those tarmacs are always open
to your aircraft. You pick up the phone and they're
ready to receive whatever plane that you're sending. No games,
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no ball, no nothing countries. If you let them, they
will nickel and dine you over everything. They will say, oh,
we can only accept twenty right now, or if you
only accept fifteen right now, or we're not going to
give them travel documents, or we don't think this is
a real citizen of our country. It's not the right path.
But whatever you have to say, no, you accept every
single person we're sending back, or consequences are going to
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initiate immediately. The last thing I'll have to say about
this is that you have to bring additional authorities to
their One of those that we talked about before if
the Alien Enemies Act, which gives you expended deportation as
well too, and then additionally by using a CALI forty
to two authority at the border. That will free up
an enormous amount of resources in space to carry out
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the domestic deportation operations. So it's not the complete answer,
but it gives you a sense about the kind of
activity that we need to be put into effect. And
I can assure you it will happen as surely as
the sunrises in the morning. If Donald Trump is the
next president of the United States, then this will happen.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Stephen, Obviously, the border is a unmitigated disaster. Did you
ever think in your wildest dreams that it would get
this bad when Joe Biden came into office? And you're
not exactly a guy who is singing Sunnyside Homilies here
on the border in the first place, right, But even you,
(06:43):
are you astounded that we're talking about you know, six seven,
eight million illegals that we know of pouring into this
country and the record time unlike we've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Even are you stunned by how bad it's gotten.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I'm stunned by the extent to which the Democrat Party
has been willing to sustain this pace of illegal immigration,
knowing the extraordinary public bloback and pressure. I know there
was I thought that they might. I thought that they
might meeter it just enough, because you know, for the
(07:19):
media to cover it, you know, six or seven thousand
apprehensions a day is an unmitigated catastrophe. They're now at
you know, ten eleven thousand apprehensions a day. The media,
the corporate media would ignore it at catastrophe levels. So
there's a state at catastrophe levels. The corporate media would
ignore it. They're at armageddon levels, so that even the
liberal press is covering it. That I did find a
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bit surprising. But what I didn't find surprising at all
is that it happened because and I'm actually really glad
you asked the question, because I very rarely get to
say this. In the Trump administration, we knew that the
whole paradigm on the border had changed, that evieal immigration
was no longer just a Mexican issue, that it was
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one hundred plus countries the smugglers and cartels had left
into the twenty first century, using social media, using networking
apps to facilitate massive legal immigration. That they were able
to use very advanced and sophisticated intelligence tools, that the
cartels were more powerful than ever in the North of Mexico,
and that the cheapness of international transportation and the ability
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of international transportation also changed the game. In other words,
a poor person today in a third world country can
probably still say, with enough money to get to an
intermediate country, you know, say to get to Panama or
even to get to Mexico City and then pay the
cartel for the rest of the way. This wasn't true.
And George Bush was in office, and so we understood
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that if we didn't perform exceptionally and feamlessly on the border,
that the gates of hell would open up.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
And we knew that.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
And so for me as as a private sit and
then in early twenty twenty one, watching what Biden was doing,
you know, my heart sank to the floor. I was
just just devastated because I understood what would happened and
what did happen.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I'm sorry, Yeah, Stephen Miller, Yeah, And also Stephen, you
were just kind of hitting at that, but I was curious.
One big part of this storyline has been the Governor
of Texas, Greg Abbott, sending migrants to all of these
sanctuary cities. Would this be something that maybe the Trump
administration as a federal level would do. It's a little
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bit different obviously than the state, but that's obviously been
very successful too, because it's made it impossible for people
who are in New York or Chicago or Washington, d C.
Who sit back and say, oh, the border is not
an issue. Their entire city is collapsing, their budgets are
falling apart. How does that impact going forward?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
No, the answer is that when it comes to the border,
we're not going to do anything other.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Than deport, de port to port, deport.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
That's the bottom line. And we now have we possess
the skills, the knowledge, the bureaucratic know how, the mastery
of the federal agencies, the strategies with the judiciary, and
everything in between to be able to come in on
day one and put in place an enforcement regime that
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no Western country in modern history has been able to
match or equal.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Stephen mill everybody, Steven, thanks for being with us, man,
appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Thank you, God blessed us.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
Soon.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
You know here one big promise that was made last night,
Clay during the debate just wanted to play this for everybody.
I'm sorry, during the town hall, not the debate, when
Trump said this is cut thirty two, and he said,
day one, he's going to be a dictator on two things,
the border and energy.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Play it.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I said, I'm going to be a dictator for one day.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
We're going to do two things.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
The border, we're gonna make it so tight you can't
get in unless you come in legally.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
And the other is energy.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
We're gonna drill, baby, drill. After that, I'm not gonna
be a dictator. After that, I'm not gonna be a dictator.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
There you go. After that is not going to be
a dictator.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
But those are two very important things in all seriousness,
the border and also what energy if it was truly
remember the whether it's people that are going to be
doing oil and gas exploration, uh, people that are setting
up the refinery operations for it clay. They've got to
project far out into the future, right, it's not just
something that happens suddenly. So knowing that you have a
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four year administration that's going to be really favorable because
they're not scared of Greta Thunberg shaming them at the
UN or something really favorable toward American energy independence, I
would be huge. I think for the economy. You secure
the border, and you do that for energy, you're already
way ahead of where we are right now.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
And also Buck, this comes back to what we said
about the border for a long time. There are two
main incentives why people come illegally to the United States.
One is jobs, and that's a courtesy of capitalism in
the fact that we have created the greatest economic success
of a country and the history of the world. Okay,
so that's one that's hard to eliminate. Two, and Steven
has talked about this with us before. If you make
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it harder for people to come here to get jobs,
that eliminates the incentive. Second part is we really have
to address the structural issue here, which is birthright citizenship
has to become a major point of debate in this country,
by which I mean just because you're born on the
soil here, if you are born as the result of
a crime, why should you be rewarded for that. That
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is something that really needs to enter the American consciousness.
This is not a commonplace thing. Most of our rivals
in the world don't allow you to become a citizen
if you are born in their country, even if you're
there legally, And it makes zero sense that we would
allow someone to illegally enter the country, have a child
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maybe eight or nine months pregnant when they come in
and suddenly their child is a citizen forever, and then
you can't deport the mom, you can't apport the dad.
This is a structural problem and an incentive that has
to be addressed.
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Speaker 1 (15:03):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I don't
know what's going on with John Fetterman. Was it yesterday
we had Dave McCormick on two days ago? Maybe that
we had Dave McCormick on who's running for Senate in
Pennsylvania against Bob Casey, the other Senate seed. When we
started twenty twenty three, if you and I know we're
(15:25):
into twenty twenty four now, but if we went back
a year and you had said, who is the worst
elected Democrat in the country, I might have said John
Fetterman full disclosure, because Fetterman couldn't speak. Uh, he almost
immediately had to check himself into a into unfortunately a
(15:47):
hospital for mental health.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Would you, I mean, is that crazy? Or you have
somebody else that you were a little bit hard on,
a little bit hard on Fetterman. Not gonna lie a
little hard on Fetterman a little bit.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I will be honest with you. I crushed John Fetterman.
I still don't don't agree with much of what he says. But,
and I hate to say this, Gavin Newsom might have
to put up the wine buck. I might have a
new favorite Democrat all of a sudden. I might not
be wanting to go out to the French laundry with
Gavin Newsom and twin arms together and have champagne glasses.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I'm kind of starting to like John Fetterman. I'm I'm
in shock.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Here Clay is telling all of you across the country
that when it comes to favorite favorite Democrat, if he
has to pick, he's trading in a fine Italian white
linen shirt button down four buttons for a Fetterman hoodie.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
He's talking about that.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Those jean shorts, those oversized high top shoes. It's got
my heart a little flutter. And here is John Fetterman
telling everybody again he's so right on this Israel Hamas
Israel Palestine thing, and he's got everybody fired up on
the left and country.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
We've got the audio. Listen, who are they really fighting?
Speaker 6 (17:03):
It's a group of cowards.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
They hide in tunnels, they hide behind civilians, they attack,
kill and utilate children living and they do that. Stop
talking about proportion on that. They shot their best shot
on October seventh, and they would have taken more lives
if they could have done that, but they couldn't do it.
And now let's also talk about that now we're talking
(17:28):
about genocide. Now South Africa now is now bringing that
kind of av in the trial. Maybe South Africa being
gonna sit this one out.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I was gonna say, man, I mean his answer on
Israel is perfect. Yeah, perfect, Yeah, he gets it.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
I never would have believed.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
And he's going after South Africa for deciding to weigh
in on this issue as well. John Fetterman making a
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We are joined by the Speaker of the House. Speaker
Mike Johnson is with us right now, mister Speaker, appreciate
you making time.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Hey, great to be with you guys, to hear your voices.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
So we know we're at the border. We talked about
that top of the hour.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
We do want to get into that issue with you
and see what the latest is from your perspective. But
first talk to us here about this spending deal. What's
really going on and why are you taking the positions
that you are right now in terms of the you know,
whether you're agreeing disagree with Democrats. Walk us through the
spending deal as it stands right now.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Yeah, it's a great question. There's a lot of misinformation
and confusion about this.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
What we've done here is we're trying to work towards
the twelve separate appropriations bills. That's the way Congress is
supposed to work. That's how we restore physical sanity to Washington,
and we engage in good stewardship on behalf of tax payers. Right,
we have a thirty four trillion dollar on federal debt.
I mean, it's an incredible landmark and a dangerous one.
So we are negotiating, trying to work towards a top
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line spinning agreement that is the first cut to non
va non defense spending in many years. Deificantly cuts out
a lot of the side agreements that were negotiated last
year for the spending bills, about sixteen billion dollars in
real new spending costs. We take ten billion out of
IRS slush fund in about six point one billion from
the bid administration's covid Era funds. The real important point
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here is that having an agreement allows our Republican conservative
appropriators to go in the room and fight against the
Nancy Pelosi era policy writers that remain in effect because
we're operating under a continued resolution and we've got to
get the new budget done. So that's what this is about.
It's not the best deal that any of us as
conservatives would draft on our own, but here's what everybody
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has to remember. We only have conservatives. Republicans only have
a majority in one House of Congress. And it's about
to become the smallest majority in US history. I mean,
after January twenty seconds, we'll be down to a one
vote margin. I mean literally, there's only been one Congress
in nineteen seventeen there in World War One, and have
a smaller majority than we'll have smaller margins. So we
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want advance are conservative priorities and principles every moment of
every day as far as we can. But right now, guys,
to give a football metaphor, which you both are converson in.
I'm an LSU guy, so that's how I speak. Right listen.
I want to throw a hill Mary pass on every play,
but right now it's three yards and a cloud of dust,
and we've got to advance the ball up the field incrementally,
and that's what we're trying to do.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
You're an LSU guy, by the way. I got to
build on this. Then. How excited were you when you
saw Nick Saban was retiring?
Speaker 6 (21:26):
You know, I was hoping you would see that up
for me. You know, congratulations to him, undeniable that he's
you know, he's probably one of it's not the greatest coach,
it's certainly in the college game of all time. But
at LSU, we have no love loss for Alabama and
what he's done. So you know, it's a bittersweet day
for college football. How about that.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
That's a good answer.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I think you should have said that that Brian Kelly
is now going to smoke Alabama and the Crimson Tide
or finished as an elite football program. That's what I
was telling my good That's what I was telling my
seventh grader, by the way, who has ended up an
Alabama fan because they've been so dominant now and it's
a real failure of parenting that I've allowed that to happen.
We're talking to speak speaker Mike Johnson. Okay, So for
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people out there who are listening to us right now
and they are not that familiar with you, how are
you different than the speaker that you replaced? What is
going to be different for Republican voters out there that
they should know about you compared to the man you replaced.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
Well, listen, I'm not going to in any way to
spirit McCarthy was a great guy and a patriot, did
the best that he could under tough circumstances all the time.
But you know, my background is different. I was a
constitutional law litigator. I was a frontlines literally frontline conservative
movement conservative my whole life, and that's the background I
bring into this. The lens by which I see things
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is as a constitutional conservative. I mean, I believe in
the founding principles of the country, and we're trying to
advance some merea every day individual freedom, limited government, you know,
the rule of law, peace through strings, fiscal responsibility, free markets,
human dignity. These are the things that built the country
are These are my fixed points in the horizon and
the guide what we do. So what you're going to
see over the long term is a real emphasis on
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that to get us back to what made America great
in the first place. I feel like we've deviated from
it too far now acknowledging right now we're going through
a valley. This is what I want everybody to know
and be encouraged by it. We are going to emerge
on the other side of this. Right now, we have
the smallest majority in US history very soon here with
one majority in one House of Congress. We only have
control of one half of one third of the federal government.
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But it's all going to change because Guy, I am
very bullish on the upcoming election cycle. I am convinced
that we're going to expand the conservative Republican majority. Now,
we're going to win back this in it and I
think we're going to win back to the White House
as well, and so everybody in this country is going
to be in a much better place a year from now.
We've got to get through this valley and we've got
to demonstrate that we can govern well.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I think Speaker Johnson ken we're speaking to the Speaker
of the House, Mike Johnson right now, and Speaker Johnson
to that end, let's let's let's fast forward a little
bit and hope and pray, but let's fast forward to
where we have a really good election at the end
of this year. And let's say you get a Republican president.
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I can let anybody else fill in the blank here
of who they think that would be, but a Republican president,
House and Senate. What do you think the Republican House
caucus is willing to do on the immigration issue?
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Really?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I mean, we just had Stephen Miller on He's talking
about Trump promising massive deportations. He says he one hundred
percent believes him. What is the Republican party in the
House willing to do to deal with our out of
control border. I know you were just down there.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
We were listen. I talked Steve Miller about it all
the time, and all of our friendship were absolutely committed.
I believe it's the number one issue. I think it'll
be a big issue for the election, maybe the biggest one,
because it's the most immediate crisis and catastrophe that we
have to faith. Last week, we took sixty four House
Republicans down to the border, to Ego Pass, to the
Epicenter to see it off with their own two eyes.
Many of us have been of the border multiple times before,
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but it's never been as bad as it is right now. Guys,
three hundred and two thousand people crossed illegally in December.
That's just the ones we could count, ones we had
encounters with. We don't know how many guidaways have come through,
how many people on a terroris and watch the list.
At least three hundred that we know. I think the
actual number is close to fifteen million. So the point is,
we can't really wait until next year to begin to
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address all this. It has happened now, and you're going
to see us draw the line and stand on that
line and fight right now to get that border security.
We passed HR two, our signature legislation eight months ago
to Secure the Border Act. It would do everything we
need to do, you know, fix the broken corol system,
the asylum reform, I mean, reinstitute the Trump era, remain
in Mexico policy, and catch and release, you know, finish
(25:43):
the wall, all that's in there. Every House Republican voter
for that. We lobbed it over the Senate. It's been
collecting dust on Chuck Schumer's desk for eight months. We're
going to push this, We're going to force it through,
and we're going to get transformational policy change on that border.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
One way or the other.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
We have to. We have to do it for the country.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
You mentioned.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
I know you got a lease. That's the last question
for you. You've got to manage everything that's going on
in the House right now. You mentioned the small majority
you have, which is a tiny majority that you inherited.
What happened with Kevin McCarthy was it only took four
people to remove him. Are you concerned at all that
you're going to have the same issue with four or
five people and that they might vote to try to
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remove you in the same way that they did Kevin McCarthy,
or you confident that's not going to happen itself, that
prologue is not going to be a preview for what
happens to you as well.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Yeah, I don't with a moment of time being concerned
about that. I'm working to govern. Look, everybody here is
there's a lot of emotion right now. There's a lot
of fervor and very thoughtful conversations, and that's what we're doing.
I mean, the people that moved to vakate McCarthy, and
there's some my close colleagues and friends, and so I
bring everybody in and we talked through the issues. Remember,
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they know that I am myself a hardline conservative and
I bring that philosophy to the gavel. And what we're
doing right now is we've got to We've got to
advance that conservative philosophy under arguably the most challenging circumstances
in the institution. So we're not going to get everything
we get we want every single day. It's incrementalism and
having everybody understand that and be part of the you know,
(27:15):
advancing the ball is really important. Not to wear out
the football metaphor, but everybody needs to know their place
in the field, what their position is, where they work
in each play. And you can't tackle your own quarterback
and expect you're going to win the game. Right, So
we we talk about this tongue in cheek, but everybody
knows the stakes are so high.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
I think we're going to work together and get this
done and again we're gonna win that election cycle and
be in a much better position next time around.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, mister Speaker, come back
again soon. Thanks for being on the program.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
We'll do it.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Guy's good talk to you. Eight hund two two two
eight a two.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Any thoughts on what the speaker cent or on the
immigration plan as we talked about it with Stephen Miller
in the top of the hour. Want to want to
hear your thoughts. You know, one thing that I do
think people player are going to be asking is they
love they love what Trump is promising day one of
Trump term two, but why didn't it happen Trump term one?
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Right?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
This is something and I think that's a fair it's
a fair question doesn't mean that it's a question without
an answer, and I wonder if anybody out there has an.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Answer that they want to offer up for it at
this point.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Look, this is gonna be a huge year in politics, Clay,
and are gonna have a lot of late nights ahead
of us, and I'm sure many of you as well,
staying up watching debates, watching well more than that, watching
the numbers coming in for a lot of these different
primaries that are coming up, and then eventually election Day.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Right, So you're gonna need energy, right, Clay.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
We can't be a bunch of whimps out there getting tired,
going to bed early, drinking the oval teine with the.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Sippy, crying, crying during the Crown. You know, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I wasn't gonna call them out on that one, but
we did get a lot of emails about the tears
during the Crown that said somebody else said that they
cried because Michael Jordan got an award once and his
wife made fun of one of our VIPs. So pointer is, folks,
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Speaker 1 (30:10):
Travis Buck Sexton Show appreciate all of you hanging out
with us as we are rolling through the Thursday edition
of the program, and wanted to hit you with this
as we get closer to the actual Iowa caucuses, which
are going to be Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, four days
from now.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
You want to talk about weather, and I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Weather's going to play a huge role in exactly how
or why people decide to go out and vote. I
know that it's always cold in Iowa this time of year,
but it's going to be really, really cold Monday. The
high is going to be minus one in Iowa. So
for all of you out there wondering, there's a lot
(30:55):
of talk about the weather on election Day and everything else,
the night's low when a lot of people are gonna
be going out to caucus, is gonna be minus fourteen.
So that is the forecast right now, sitting four days out.
If that ends up being the case that the weather
is as bad as they expect, I would think that
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that would make some people not show up. I'm not
gonna lie if it is that cold, not that it's
ever very that cold where I live in Nashville, bucks
down in Miami, It probably hasn't been below sixty the
whole time you've been in Miami.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
What's the temperature right now? In Miami, it's like seventy degrees.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
It got to like sixty seven a few days ago,
and I was very upset about it.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, you had to put on like a fleece windbreaker,
you had to layer up. Why minus won for a
high and minus fourteen when many people are going to
be going to vote, I would think that that would
actually impact in some way the turnout. Now, maybe people
are super fired up. What I would think it would do, buck, see,
(32:02):
if you would sign on to this theory, what I
would think it would do is limit the number of
people out there that are going out if they're not
die hards. Right, If you're gonna go out and support
somebody in Iowa in minus ten degree weather, you are
not like lukewarm about the guy or gal that you're supporting.
(32:25):
You are all in on who you are supporting, right,
I mean the weather has to impact turnout in some
way when it gets that cold.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I guess it will probably although Iowan's it's you know,
this isn't like they're not prepared for this, right, they
get some rough weather, I wouldn't think it would make
a massive difference. And all this the only way I mean,
because you basically think that Trump would would be hurt
by the snow and cold or the cold, but just
(32:56):
by the cold, right, because people think he's gonna win.
Who are Trump supports or so they the caucus? Right,
that's your that's my thought.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
If it's cold and you're sitting in your house and
you're like, I mean, the Iowa state pole just came
out and they have Trump up forty points over everybody else, right.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I gotta tell you, though, if you were, if you
were planning on going to a caucus though, Clay, I
think you're I think you're in it to win it, right.
I don't know how many you're gonna show up, no
matter what. I think you're probably showing up, no matter what.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
I think.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Islands right now are chuckling at us guy who lives
in Tennessee and guy who lives in South Florida being like,
we can handle the snow, boys, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
So you think weather conditions have no impact minimal I
think it'll have minimal impact on this. I think Iowans
are going to put on the parka and they're gonna
you know, it's just gonna be cold, right, no snow?
Speaker 4 (33:43):
What was the well?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I think there's snow on the ground, but it's it's
freezing in. There's been a lot of snow this week.
It's kind of boggled or juggled some of the schedules
around for some of the candidates.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
And I don't think we mentioned.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
That Iowa State Pole, but in the Iowa State Pole,
buck up is up forty points. I mean, if we're
talking about that kind of landslide, I'll just go ahead
and call it. If Trump wins by that kind of margin,
the election, the primary season is over.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I mean, I don't even need to see if they're
gonna want to pick up a win in New Hampshire.
If they can, right, I mean, there's gonna be.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I mean Nicky Haley made because independence and third party
you know, Democrats or whatever can roll in and vote
for her, and New Hampshire might still be a toss up.
I think I'm correct that it's been all the way.
No Republican since nineteen seventy six has won both Iowa
and New Hampshire.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Have you it's been a long time.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yes, I think Gerald Ford was the last Republican to
win both Iowa and New Hampshire.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
This is what I was trying to think of the
other day. You're right when you said Bernie Sanders was
the front runner at this point in twenty twenty for
the Democrats. Do you remember who won Iowa? Pete Buddha Judge,
oh heat Boodha Judge. So a guy who ended up
with a tiny fraction of.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
The well, black guys won't vote for Mayor Pete. I mean,
this is like the story that nobody will talk about.
You're I did not I did not remember that at all.
That's a great fact point. It's all white, white people
who vote in Iowa. Right, Black people won't vote for
mayor Pete because he's gay, and nobody will talk about it.
It's like it's like the third rail that you're not
allowed to touch.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
So that just to me is a reminder about you know,
Pete winning in Iowa that you know and look, this
is where this is where you start to sound like
we're calling a football game instead of politics. Anything can happen.
It depends who shows up on game day. That that's
all going to be true.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
Here.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
I I think that.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Uh, here's what I do know from from sources. The
internal polling of the campaigns on Iowa mirrors the Iowa
polling that we're talking about. So you're going to have
to have some something crazy happened that day for it
not to be a Trump victory. That's just that's just
(36:06):
the truth. I don't know what else to say. I'm
not I'm not I'm not.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Wishing it into existence or opposing it.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I'm just saying it's you've never seen any kind of
a lead like this evaporated one day. All the campaigns
have similar polling from what I'm told.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
You know, I cannot wait to actually have legit votes
to talk about on Tuesday on the show. Because we've
been talking about what we think is gonna happen. Iowa
voters have the first opportunity to actually show us.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
If Trump wins by those kind of margins, I'm I'm
calling it over right. If he comes out and he
triumphs like that, I don't even care what I've called
it over in July I did last year.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
That's true. Yeah,
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
All right, second hour of Play and Buck chicks off
right now. We are joined by our friend Steven Miller,
formerly senior advisor in the Trump White House, and he's
also the founder of America First Legal. Steven, good to
have you on the program.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Thank you. Great to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
As always, so we have guys, let's start with this one.
We all know the borders that told disaster Steven. The
good news is I mean, not that there's any good
news about this, but this audience very up to speed
on the numbers, the criminality, the lawlessness, and the Biden
administration's utter refusal to do anything meaningful about it. Last
night we heard from President Trump about his proposals, and
(00:47):
here's one thing we talked to. There was a talk
of deportations, rapidly escalating the deportations. Here's what Trump said,
Play fifteen.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
How will you gather the over millions that have already
entered our country illegally and returned them to their country
of origin?
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Great question. It's not sustainable for our country. We have
millions and millions of people here. It is not sustainable.
Did you see in New York City with it getting
the regular students out and they're putting migrants in their place.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
We are going to.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
Have the largest deportation effort in the history of our country.
We're bringing everybody back to where they came from.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
We have no choice, we have no chils. All right, Steven,
you heard it from the man himself.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
What would that look like? What would that deportation effort?
I mean, walk us through how that happens.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yes, well, this is something, of course that we've given
a great deal of thought to. And I'm speaking to
you now in my personal capacity. When I say this,
I am one hundred percent and confident that when President
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Trump takes the oath of office, we will begin and
initiate the largest deportation operation, as he said, in the
history of our country. And the way this will be
done is by number one, involving and leveraging the enormous
federal assets at our disposal beyond the Board of Patrol
(02:25):
and ICE. So right now, ICE has about six thousand
deportation officers as your starting point. That's not very many.
That's you know, New York City has thirty thousand cops
to put that respective six thousand for the whole country.
So you begin by number one, taking HSI, which is
the organization on top of ice Homeland security investigations, and
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you can pull another probably ten eleven thousand guns and
badges from HSI. Then you go into the Department of Justice,
while you get CBP extra resources for interior operations. Then
you go into de J you pull from FBI atf DEA.
Then you go into from there your other departments and
(03:07):
agencies that have their own police forces. For example, even
the National Park Service has a significant police service. Then
beyond that is when you bring in the National Guard.
And you do this by going to each of the
different states. You know, just take a pick, right, you
go to, say the governor of Alabama, and you say,
we need to use your National guardsmen to carry out
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deportation operations in and around your state. So it's not
just in the state they're coming from, but you try
to do it regionally for efficiency's sake, so like in
the Southeast region, you know, for example, and then you
go to the sheriffs and the police departments and using
the authority that is delegated to the Secretary of Homeland Security,
you're then able to deputize those individuals as well. But
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the key for efficiency sake is that it has to
be done under the control of your most experienced deportation officers.
In other words, this isn't just like you show up
and you say to a group of people, all right,
now you're immigration officers, because it's an incredibly challenging, complicated
and it's very data driven knowing where the illegals are
and what their case disposition is. So you have experienced
(04:15):
your best ice officers running these teams that are blends
of federal, state, and local and National Guard for resources. Then,
as we've talked about before, you have to have staging
facilities for outbound flights, right because if you collect a
group of people, say you cook to one hundred people
one day in Alabama, they're going to be from two
(04:36):
dozen different countries. Each country you have a different plane
of different manifested, different everything. So you have to have
somewhere to hold these people while you're waiting for these
outbound flights and of course dealing with all of the
legal challenges other things that are going to arise, which
that brings me to my next point, which is that
the state Department has to be also the leading edge
of this, and one of the things that I experienced
(04:57):
firsthand and but many people outside of government I realized,
is the State Department is the tip of the spear
in any deportation operation. There was obtaining unconditional compliance from
countries around the world. So those tarmacs are always open
to your aircraft. You pick up the phone and they're
ready to receive whatever plane that you're sending. No games,
(05:19):
no ball, no nothing countries. If you let them, they
will nickel and dine you over everything. They will say, oh,
we can only accept twenty right now, or if you
only accept fifteen right now, or we're not going to
give them travel documents, or we don't think this is
a real citizen of our country. It's not the right path.
But whatever you have to say, no, you accept every
single person we're sending back, or consequences are going to
(05:39):
initiate immediately. The last thing I'll have to say about
this is that you have to bring additional authorities to
their One of those that we talked about before if
the Alien Enemies Act, which gives you expended deportation as
well too, and then additionally by using a CALI forty
to two authority at the border. That will free up
an enormous amount of resources in space to carry out
(05:59):
the domestic deportation operations. So it's not the complete answer,
but it gives you a sense about the kind of
activity that we need to be put into effect. And
I can assure you it will happen as surely as
the sunrises in the morning. If Donald Trump is the
next president of the United States, then this will happen.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Stephen, Obviously, the border is a unmitigated disaster. Did you
ever think in your wildest dreams that it would get
this bad when Joe Biden came into office? And you're
not exactly a guy who is singing Sunnyside Homilies here
on the border in the first place, right, But even you,
(06:43):
are you astounded that we're talking about you know, six seven,
eight million illegals that we know of pouring into this
country and the record time unlike we've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Even are you stunned by how bad it's gotten.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I'm stunned by the extent to which the Democrat Party
has been willing to sustain this pace of illegal immigration,
knowing the extraordinary public bloback and pressure. I know there
was I thought that they might. I thought that they
might meeter it just enough, because you know, for the
(07:19):
media to cover it, you know, six or seven thousand
apprehensions a day is an unmitigated catastrophe. They're now at
you know, ten eleven thousand apprehensions a day. The media,
the corporate media would ignore it at catastrophe levels. So
there's a state at catastrophe levels. The corporate media would
ignore it. They're at armageddon levels, so that even the
liberal press is covering it. That I did find a
(07:41):
bit surprising. But what I didn't find surprising at all
is that it happened because and I'm actually really glad
you asked the question, because I very rarely get to
say this. In the Trump administration, we knew that the
whole paradigm on the border had changed, that evieal immigration
was no longer just a Mexican issue, that it was
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one hundred plus countries the smugglers and cartels had left
into the twenty first century, using social media, using networking
apps to facilitate massive legal immigration. That they were able
to use very advanced and sophisticated intelligence tools, that the
cartels were more powerful than ever in the North of Mexico,
and that the cheapness of international transportation and the ability
(08:25):
of international transportation also changed the game. In other words,
a poor person today in a third world country can
probably still say, with enough money to get to an
intermediate country, you know, say to get to Panama or
even to get to Mexico City and then pay the
cartel for the rest of the way. This wasn't true.
And George Bush was in office, and so we understood
(08:46):
that if we didn't perform exceptionally and feamlessly on the border,
that the gates of hell would open up.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
And we knew that.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
And so for me as as a private sit and
then in early twenty twenty one, watching what Biden was doing,
you know, my heart sank to the floor. I was
just just devastated because I understood what would happened and
what did happen.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I'm sorry, Yeah, Stephen Miller, Yeah, And also Stephen, you
were just kind of hitting at that, but I was curious.
One big part of this storyline has been the Governor
of Texas, Greg Abbott, sending migrants to all of these
sanctuary cities. Would this be something that maybe the Trump
administration as a federal level would do. It's a little
(09:40):
bit different obviously than the state, but that's obviously been
very successful too, because it's made it impossible for people
who are in New York or Chicago or Washington, d C.
Who sit back and say, oh, the border is not
an issue. Their entire city is collapsing, their budgets are
falling apart. How does that impact going forward?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
No, the answer is that when it comes to the border,
we're not going to do anything other.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Than deport, de port to port, deport.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
That's the bottom line. And we now have we possess
the skills, the knowledge, the bureaucratic know how, the mastery
of the federal agencies, the strategies with the judiciary, and
everything in between to be able to come in on
day one and put in place an enforcement regime that
(10:31):
no Western country in modern history has been able to
match or equal.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Stephen mill everybody, Steven, thanks for being with us, man,
appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Thank you, God blessed us.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
Soon.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
You know here one big promise that was made last night,
Clay during the debate just wanted to play this for everybody.
I'm sorry, during the town hall, not the debate, when
Trump said this is cut thirty two, and he said,
day one, he's going to be a dictator on two things,
the border and energy.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Play it.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I said, I'm going to be a dictator for one day.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
We're going to do two things.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
The border, we're gonna make it so tight you can't
get in unless you come in legally.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
And the other is energy.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
We're gonna drill, baby, drill. After that, I'm not gonna
be a dictator. After that, I'm not gonna be a dictator.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
There you go. After that is not going to be
a dictator.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
But those are two very important things in all seriousness,
the border and also what energy if it was truly
remember the whether it's people that are going to be
doing oil and gas exploration, uh, people that are setting
up the refinery operations for it clay. They've got to
project far out into the future, right, it's not just
something that happens suddenly. So knowing that you have a
(11:45):
four year administration that's going to be really favorable because
they're not scared of Greta Thunberg shaming them at the
UN or something really favorable toward American energy independence, I
would be huge. I think for the economy. You secure
the border, and you do that for energy, you're already
way ahead of where we are right now.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
And also Buck, this comes back to what we said
about the border for a long time. There are two
main incentives why people come illegally to the United States.
One is jobs, and that's a courtesy of capitalism in
the fact that we have created the greatest economic success
of a country and the history of the world. Okay,
so that's one that's hard to eliminate. Two, and Steven
has talked about this with us before. If you make
(12:27):
it harder for people to come here to get jobs,
that eliminates the incentive. Second part is we really have
to address the structural issue here, which is birthright citizenship
has to become a major point of debate in this country,
by which I mean just because you're born on the
soil here, if you are born as the result of
a crime, why should you be rewarded for that. That
(12:49):
is something that really needs to enter the American consciousness.
This is not a commonplace thing. Most of our rivals
in the world don't allow you to become a citizen
if you are born in their country, even if you're
there legally, And it makes zero sense that we would
allow someone to illegally enter the country, have a child
(13:10):
maybe eight or nine months pregnant when they come in
and suddenly their child is a citizen forever, and then
you can't deport the mom, you can't apport the dad.
This is a structural problem and an incentive that has
to be addressed.
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Speaker 1 (15:03):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I don't
know what's going on with John Fetterman. Was it yesterday
we had Dave McCormick on two days ago? Maybe that
we had Dave McCormick on who's running for Senate in
Pennsylvania against Bob Casey, the other Senate seed. When we
started twenty twenty three, if you and I know we're
(15:25):
into twenty twenty four now, but if we went back
a year and you had said, who is the worst
elected Democrat in the country, I might have said John
Fetterman full disclosure, because Fetterman couldn't speak. Uh, he almost
immediately had to check himself into a into unfortunately a
(15:47):
hospital for mental health.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Would you, I mean, is that crazy? Or you have
somebody else that you were a little bit hard on,
a little bit hard on Fetterman. Not gonna lie a
little hard on Fetterman a little bit.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I will be honest with you. I crushed John Fetterman.
I still don't don't agree with much of what he says. But,
and I hate to say this, Gavin Newsom might have
to put up the wine buck. I might have a
new favorite Democrat all of a sudden. I might not
be wanting to go out to the French laundry with
Gavin Newsom and twin arms together and have champagne glasses.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I'm kind of starting to like John Fetterman. I'm I'm
in shock.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Here Clay is telling all of you across the country
that when it comes to favorite favorite Democrat, if he
has to pick, he's trading in a fine Italian white
linen shirt button down four buttons for a Fetterman hoodie.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
He's talking about that.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Those jean shorts, those oversized high top shoes. It's got
my heart a little flutter. And here is John Fetterman
telling everybody again he's so right on this Israel Hamas
Israel Palestine thing, and he's got everybody fired up on
the left and country.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
We've got the audio. Listen, who are they really fighting?
Speaker 6 (17:03):
It's a group of cowards.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
They hide in tunnels, they hide behind civilians, they attack,
kill and utilate children living and they do that. Stop
talking about proportion on that. They shot their best shot
on October seventh, and they would have taken more lives
if they could have done that, but they couldn't do it.
And now let's also talk about that now we're talking
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about genocide. Now South Africa now is now bringing that
kind of av in the trial. Maybe South Africa being
gonna sit this one out.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I was gonna say, man, I mean his answer on
Israel is perfect. Yeah, perfect, Yeah, he gets it.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
I never would have believed.
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We are joined by the Speaker of the House. Speaker
Mike Johnson is with us right now, mister Speaker, appreciate
you making time.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Hey, great to be with you guys, to hear your voices.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
So we know we're at the border. We talked about
that top of the hour.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
We do want to get into that issue with you
and see what the latest is from your perspective. But
first talk to us here about this spending deal. What's
really going on and why are you taking the positions
that you are right now in terms of the you know,
whether you're agreeing disagree with Democrats. Walk us through the
spending deal as it stands right now.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Yeah, it's a great question. There's a lot of misinformation
and confusion about this.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
What we've done here is we're trying to work towards
the twelve separate appropriations bills. That's the way Congress is
supposed to work. That's how we restore physical sanity to Washington,
and we engage in good stewardship on behalf of tax payers. Right,
we have a thirty four trillion dollar on federal debt.
I mean, it's an incredible landmark and a dangerous one.
So we are negotiating, trying to work towards a top
(19:54):
line spinning agreement that is the first cut to non
va non defense spending in many years. Deificantly cuts out
a lot of the side agreements that were negotiated last
year for the spending bills, about sixteen billion dollars in
real new spending costs. We take ten billion out of
IRS slush fund in about six point one billion from
the bid administration's covid Era funds. The real important point
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here is that having an agreement allows our Republican conservative
appropriators to go in the room and fight against the
Nancy Pelosi era policy writers that remain in effect because
we're operating under a continued resolution and we've got to
get the new budget done. So that's what this is about.
It's not the best deal that any of us as
conservatives would draft on our own, but here's what everybody
(20:38):
has to remember. We only have conservatives. Republicans only have
a majority in one House of Congress. And it's about
to become the smallest majority in US history. I mean,
after January twenty seconds, we'll be down to a one
vote margin. I mean literally, there's only been one Congress
in nineteen seventeen there in World War One, and have
a smaller majority than we'll have smaller margins. So we
(20:59):
want advance are conservative priorities and principles every moment of
every day as far as we can. But right now, guys,
to give a football metaphor, which you both are converson in.
I'm an LSU guy, so that's how I speak. Right listen.
I want to throw a hill Mary pass on every play,
but right now it's three yards and a cloud of dust,
and we've got to advance the ball up the field incrementally,
and that's what we're trying to do.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
You're an LSU guy, by the way. I got to
build on this. Then. How excited were you when you
saw Nick Saban was retiring?
Speaker 6 (21:26):
You know, I was hoping you would see that up
for me. You know, congratulations to him, undeniable that he's
you know, he's probably one of it's not the greatest coach,
it's certainly in the college game of all time. But
at LSU, we have no love loss for Alabama and
what he's done. So you know, it's a bittersweet day
for college football. How about that.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
That's a good answer.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I think you should have said that that Brian Kelly
is now going to smoke Alabama and the Crimson Tide
or finished as an elite football program. That's what I
was telling my good That's what I was telling my
seventh grader, by the way, who has ended up an
Alabama fan because they've been so dominant now and it's
a real failure of parenting that I've allowed that to happen.
We're talking to speak speaker Mike Johnson. Okay, So for
(22:06):
people out there who are listening to us right now
and they are not that familiar with you, how are
you different than the speaker that you replaced? What is
going to be different for Republican voters out there that
they should know about you compared to the man you replaced.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
Well, listen, I'm not going to in any way to
spirit McCarthy was a great guy and a patriot, did
the best that he could under tough circumstances all the time.
But you know, my background is different. I was a
constitutional law litigator. I was a frontlines literally frontline conservative
movement conservative my whole life, and that's the background I
bring into this. The lens by which I see things
(22:47):
is as a constitutional conservative. I mean, I believe in
the founding principles of the country, and we're trying to
advance some merea every day individual freedom, limited government, you know,
the rule of law, peace through strings, fiscal responsibility, free markets,
human dignity. These are the things that built the country
are These are my fixed points in the horizon and
the guide what we do. So what you're going to
see over the long term is a real emphasis on
(23:09):
that to get us back to what made America great
in the first place. I feel like we've deviated from
it too far now acknowledging right now we're going through
a valley. This is what I want everybody to know
and be encouraged by it. We are going to emerge
on the other side of this. Right now, we have
the smallest majority in US history very soon here with
one majority in one House of Congress. We only have
control of one half of one third of the federal government.
(23:30):
But it's all going to change because Guy, I am
very bullish on the upcoming election cycle. I am convinced
that we're going to expand the conservative Republican majority. Now,
we're going to win back this in it and I
think we're going to win back to the White House
as well, and so everybody in this country is going
to be in a much better place a year from now.
We've got to get through this valley and we've got
to demonstrate that we can govern well.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I think Speaker Johnson ken we're speaking to the Speaker
of the House, Mike Johnson right now, and Speaker Johnson
to that end, let's let's let's fast forward a little
bit and hope and pray, but let's fast forward to
where we have a really good election at the end
of this year. And let's say you get a Republican president.
(24:11):
I can let anybody else fill in the blank here
of who they think that would be, but a Republican president,
House and Senate. What do you think the Republican House
caucus is willing to do on the immigration issue?
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Really?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I mean, we just had Stephen Miller on He's talking
about Trump promising massive deportations. He says he one hundred
percent believes him. What is the Republican party in the
House willing to do to deal with our out of
control border. I know you were just down there.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
We were listen. I talked Steve Miller about it all
the time, and all of our friendship were absolutely committed.
I believe it's the number one issue. I think it'll
be a big issue for the election, maybe the biggest one,
because it's the most immediate crisis and catastrophe that we
have to faith. Last week, we took sixty four House
Republicans down to the border, to Ego Pass, to the
Epicenter to see it off with their own two eyes.
Many of us have been of the border multiple times before,
(25:01):
but it's never been as bad as it is right now. Guys,
three hundred and two thousand people crossed illegally in December.
That's just the ones we could count, ones we had
encounters with. We don't know how many guidaways have come through,
how many people on a terroris and watch the list.
At least three hundred that we know. I think the
actual number is close to fifteen million. So the point is,
we can't really wait until next year to begin to
(25:21):
address all this. It has happened now, and you're going
to see us draw the line and stand on that
line and fight right now to get that border security.
We passed HR two, our signature legislation eight months ago
to Secure the Border Act. It would do everything we
need to do, you know, fix the broken corol system,
the asylum reform, I mean, reinstitute the Trump era, remain
in Mexico policy, and catch and release, you know, finish
(25:43):
the wall, all that's in there. Every House Republican voter
for that. We lobbed it over the Senate. It's been
collecting dust on Chuck Schumer's desk for eight months. We're
going to push this, We're going to force it through,
and we're going to get transformational policy change on that border.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
One way or the other.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
We have to. We have to do it for the country.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
You mentioned.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
I know you got a lease. That's the last question
for you. You've got to manage everything that's going on
in the House right now. You mentioned the small majority
you have, which is a tiny majority that you inherited.
What happened with Kevin McCarthy was it only took four
people to remove him. Are you concerned at all that
you're going to have the same issue with four or
five people and that they might vote to try to
(26:20):
remove you in the same way that they did Kevin McCarthy,
or you confident that's not going to happen itself, that
prologue is not going to be a preview for what
happens to you as well.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Yeah, I don't with a moment of time being concerned
about that. I'm working to govern. Look, everybody here is
there's a lot of emotion right now. There's a lot
of fervor and very thoughtful conversations, and that's what we're doing.
I mean, the people that moved to vakate McCarthy, and
there's some my close colleagues and friends, and so I
bring everybody in and we talked through the issues. Remember,
(26:53):
they know that I am myself a hardline conservative and
I bring that philosophy to the gavel. And what we're
doing right now is we've got to We've got to
advance that conservative philosophy under arguably the most challenging circumstances
in the institution. So we're not going to get everything
we get we want every single day. It's incrementalism and
having everybody understand that and be part of the you know,
(27:15):
advancing the ball is really important. Not to wear out
the football metaphor, but everybody needs to know their place
in the field, what their position is, where they work
in each play. And you can't tackle your own quarterback
and expect you're going to win the game. Right, So
we we talk about this tongue in cheek, but everybody
knows the stakes are so high.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
I think we're going to work together and get this
done and again we're gonna win that election cycle and
be in a much better position next time around.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, mister Speaker, come back
again soon. Thanks for being on the program.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
We'll do it.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Guy's good talk to you. Eight hund two two two
eight a two.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Any thoughts on what the speaker cent or on the
immigration plan as we talked about it with Stephen Miller
in the top of the hour. Want to want to
hear your thoughts. You know, one thing that I do
think people player are going to be asking is they
love they love what Trump is promising day one of
Trump term two, but why didn't it happen Trump term one?
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Right?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
This is something and I think that's a fair it's
a fair question doesn't mean that it's a question without
an answer, and I wonder if anybody out there has an.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Answer that they want to offer up for it at
this point.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Look, this is gonna be a huge year in politics, Clay,
and are gonna have a lot of late nights ahead
of us, and I'm sure many of you as well,
staying up watching debates, watching well more than that, watching
the numbers coming in for a lot of these different
primaries that are coming up, and then eventually election Day.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Right, So you're gonna need energy, right, Clay.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
We can't be a bunch of whimps out there getting tired,
going to bed early, drinking the oval teine with the.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Sippy, crying, crying during the Crown. You know, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I wasn't gonna call them out on that one, but
we did get a lot of emails about the tears
during the Crown that said somebody else said that they
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Travis Buck Sexton Show appreciate all of you hanging out
with us as we are rolling through the Thursday edition
of the program, and wanted to hit you with this
as we get closer to the actual Iowa caucuses, which
are going to be Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, four days
from now.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
You want to talk about weather, and I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Weather's going to play a huge role in exactly how
or why people decide to go out and vote. I
know that it's always cold in Iowa this time of year,
but it's going to be really, really cold Monday. The
high is going to be minus one in Iowa. So
for all of you out there wondering, there's a lot
(30:55):
of talk about the weather on election Day and everything else,
the night's low when a lot of people are gonna
be going out to caucus, is gonna be minus fourteen.
So that is the forecast right now, sitting four days out.
If that ends up being the case that the weather
is as bad as they expect, I would think that
(31:19):
that would make some people not show up. I'm not
gonna lie if it is that cold, not that it's
ever very that cold where I live in Nashville, bucks
down in Miami, It probably hasn't been below sixty the
whole time you've been in Miami.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
What's the temperature right now? In Miami, it's like seventy degrees.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
It got to like sixty seven a few days ago,
and I was very upset about it.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, you had to put on like a fleece windbreaker,
you had to layer up. Why minus won for a
high and minus fourteen when many people are going to
be going to vote, I would think that that would
actually impact in some way the turnout. Now, maybe people
are super fired up. What I would think it would do, buck, see,
(32:02):
if you would sign on to this theory, what I
would think it would do is limit the number of
people out there that are going out if they're not
die hards. Right, If you're gonna go out and support
somebody in Iowa in minus ten degree weather, you are
not like lukewarm about the guy or gal that you're supporting.
(32:25):
You are all in on who you are supporting, right,
I mean the weather has to impact turnout in some
way when it gets that cold.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I guess it will probably although Iowan's it's you know,
this isn't like they're not prepared for this, right, they
get some rough weather, I wouldn't think it would make
a massive difference. And all this the only way I mean,
because you basically think that Trump would would be hurt
by the snow and cold or the cold, but just
(32:56):
by the cold, right, because people think he's gonna win.
Who are Trump supports or so they the caucus? Right,
that's your that's my thought.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
If it's cold and you're sitting in your house and
you're like, I mean, the Iowa state pole just came
out and they have Trump up forty points over everybody else, right.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I gotta tell you, though, if you were, if you
were planning on going to a caucus though, Clay, I
think you're I think you're in it to win it, right.
I don't know how many you're gonna show up, no
matter what. I think you're probably showing up, no matter what.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
I think.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Islands right now are chuckling at us guy who lives
in Tennessee and guy who lives in South Florida being like,
we can handle the snow, boys, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
So you think weather conditions have no impact minimal I
think it'll have minimal impact on this. I think Iowans
are going to put on the parka and they're gonna
you know, it's just gonna be cold, right, no snow?
Speaker 4 (33:43):
What was the well?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I think there's snow on the ground, but it's it's
freezing in. There's been a lot of snow this week.
It's kind of boggled or juggled some of the schedules
around for some of the candidates.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
And I don't think we mentioned.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
That Iowa State Pole, but in the Iowa State Pole,
buck up is up forty points. I mean, if we're
talking about that kind of landslide, I'll just go ahead
and call it. If Trump wins by that kind of margin,
the election, the primary season is over.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I mean, I don't even need to see if they're
gonna want to pick up a win in New Hampshire.
If they can, right, I mean, there's gonna be.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I mean Nicky Haley made because independence and third party
you know, Democrats or whatever can roll in and vote
for her, and New Hampshire might still be a toss up.
I think I'm correct that it's been all the way.
No Republican since nineteen seventy six has won both Iowa
and New Hampshire.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Have you it's been a long time.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yes, I think Gerald Ford was the last Republican to
win both Iowa and New Hampshire.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
This is what I was trying to think of the
other day. You're right when you said Bernie Sanders was
the front runner at this point in twenty twenty for
the Democrats. Do you remember who won Iowa? Pete Buddha Judge,
oh heat Boodha Judge. So a guy who ended up
with a tiny fraction of.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
The well, black guys won't vote for Mayor Pete. I mean,
this is like the story that nobody will talk about.
You're I did not I did not remember that at all.
That's a great fact point. It's all white, white people
who vote in Iowa. Right, Black people won't vote for
mayor Pete because he's gay, and nobody will talk about it.
It's like it's like the third rail that you're not
allowed to touch.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
So that just to me is a reminder about you know,
Pete winning in Iowa that you know and look, this
is where this is where you start to sound like
we're calling a football game instead of politics. Anything can happen.
It depends who shows up on game day. That that's
all going to be true.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
Here.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
I I think that.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Uh, here's what I do know from from sources. The
internal polling of the campaigns on Iowa mirrors the Iowa
polling that we're talking about. So you're going to have
to have some something crazy happened that day for it
not to be a Trump victory. That's just that's just
(36:06):
the truth. I don't know what else to say. I'm
not I'm not I'm not.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Wishing it into existence or opposing it.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I'm just saying it's you've never seen any kind of
a lead like this evaporated one day. All the campaigns
have similar polling from what I'm told.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
You know, I cannot wait to actually have legit votes
to talk about on Tuesday on the show. Because we've
been talking about what we think is gonna happen. Iowa
voters have the first opportunity to actually show us.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
If Trump wins by those kind of margins, I'm I'm
calling it over right. If he comes out and he
triumphs like that, I don't even care what I've called
it over in July I did last year.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
That's true. Yeah,
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