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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome Ack in hour number two Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we
are rolling through the Tuesday edition of the program. I
imagine a lot of you still out there on the
roads in the skies, traveling all over the place to
get back to wherever you were as part of your
holiday weekend travel. I'm down in Florida, up on the
(00:23):
Panhandle thanks to the Panama City affiliate WFLA ninety six
point three one oh two point five. You guys can
see that banner if you're watching me on video. Buck
is down in Miami, so we're both in the Free
State of Florida this week. Different edges of it, however,
as I'm on the Panhandle and Buck is all the
way down in South Florida. Do you have a good
(00:44):
Memorial Day weekend? Yes?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Excellent. It was just Carrie me the dog had a
great time, no real obligations or anything on the schedule.
It's my favorite kind of weekend. Yeah, do what you
want weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I love it. We did three straight days at the
beach down here, which I don't remember doing three straight
deep days at the beach. The boys are in mourning
over for those of out there, those of you out
there who are Atlanta Braves fans, their favorite player is
Ronald Acunya. He tore his acl We got that news
at the beach, So they have spent the past couple
(01:18):
of days in morning. But that was mean. It was awesome,
just a really fantastic weekend. And I knew Buck coming
out of Memorial Day weekend. I'm always really fascinated to
see the planned stories, and so this morning when I
woke up and I started doing the reading to get
ready for the show, I was not surprised that one
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of the first stories I saw that was published at
five am from Politico. I understand if a lot of
you are not Politico readers, but Politico is the inside
Washington d C news site that many read right up
there with AXI. But Politico obviously just focused on politics
(02:04):
in their lead story, with three different writers bylined on it.
Here's the headline, Dems in full blown freakout over Biden.
One advisor sub headline. One advisor to major Democratic donors
keeps a running list of the reasons Biden could lose.
(02:25):
Listen to this opening paragraph. Buck a pervasive sense of
fear has settled in at the highest levels of the
Democratic Party over President Joe Biden's re election prospects, even
among office holders and strategists who had previously expressed confidence
about the coming battle with Trump. And here's what they say.
(02:49):
The gap. This is not going to be a surprise.
This is a direct read from the article. The gap
between what Democrats will say on TV or in print
and what they'll text their friends has only grown as
worries have surged about Biden's prospects. You don't want to
be that guy direct quote who's on the record saying
(03:12):
we're doomed, or the campaign's bad, or Biden's making mistakes.
Nobody wants to be that guy, said a Democrat operative
in close contact with the White House. But Biden's poor
polling is creating a freak at freak out. This isn't
this is a great quote. Oh my god, Mitt Romney
might become president. It's oh my god, the democracy might end.
(03:38):
And there's so much detail in here, the fact that
they that Trump is now out raising him, the fact
that there's so many different aspects of this. They've spent
twenty five million dollars in battleground states. They are having
real difficulty now raising money, and again the polls have
(04:01):
not worked. The panic is setting in. So if there
were to be a not able to get a verdict
in this case, and then you follow it up, remember
next week, Hunter Biden goes on trial for his gun
charges and is likely to get hit with a felony.
It's not only that the lawfair is blowing up in Democrats' faces,
(04:24):
it's that Joe Biden's own son is almost assuredly going
to be considered a felon by next week. And this
has a lot of people super nervous. So my thought
is June twenty seventh for Biden, now buck is make
or break. I still think there's gonna that there's possibility
they're going to throw him off the boat. I like that,
(04:51):
you st I don't want to say this to I
don't want them to do it because I think Biden
is such a weak candidate. I want him to be
the nominee. But I think the panic is growing to
the point where if he's bad on that June twenty
seventh debate, I think there's trouble brewing.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
There's no mechan should we go through this all? Everybody
one more time.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You get it. You don't believe there's anybody powerful enough
to force him out.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
There is no mechanism through which they could do this.
They're going think about this. They already moved the DNC
convention clashing with Ohio state law. And if Ohio didn't
change the laws, which I guess that's underway because of
Mike the Wine, they would not have Biden on the
ballot there. You know, there are processes here too. It's
(05:36):
not just like you know, poof, we have a new
person who's at the top of the ballot there. It's
not like there's a person who is the case. I mean,
quite honestly, if you're first of all, if it's not Biden,
it's Kamala that's why you have a vice president. There
is no way that you always talk about the fractured
Democrat or the fracturing of the Democrat coalition, The risk
(05:57):
that they take with the the absolute core of the
Democrat Party, which is consistent black female voters who vote
Democrat right, The risk they take by skipping over Kamala
Harris and putting in like Gavin Newsom or something that
that's just a non starter. I know people say Michelle
Obama is a way to get around this, but you'd
(06:20):
have to have a unanimity within the party at the convention,
which you will not have. It'll be a messy fight
of a situation. You have to be convincing everybody not
only that Biden shouldn't be at the top of the ticket,
but that Kamala the vice president, should.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Not take over. I mean, the whole point.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Of a vice president is that if for some reason
the president can't do it, and that's obviously what they
would say.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I think even at.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
This point, they wouldn't say our guy can't get it
done in the election. They would say that there's you know,
we realize now because of the challenges they try to
mold it together, because of the challenges of his schedule
and everything. His age has caught up to him. YadA YadA.
We need somebody else. It has to be uh Kamala
Harris who steps in at that point, because then it
(07:07):
just shows that the whole thing is a political calculation
and they're throwing out the system and the incumbancy that
they have. But this is my whole point, They're not
gonna do it because if they do it, they're ensuring
Donald Trump is going to win.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I mean the whole thing. Let's think about this. You're
you're proseketting this guy.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
You got the cases going against him, and your guy
can't even make it across the finish line to try
to run again while he's the president. I mean, the
optics of this are terrible. So that's just for me.
Oh but I was gonna say though, and this will
get people fired up ready for this, Wing Clay, you
know who the likeliest person is if you're talking, if
you're talking about the parachute situation, and I think you
(07:45):
get one hundred to one odds on this one or
one to one hundred odds whatever. I think you get
one to one hundred odds on this one. Like it's
a one percent chance that this could happen, meaning that
anyone is replacing Biden and Kamala Kamala replacing Biden, I've
always said could happen.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I'm one on this one for a one. Okay, James,
you get paid off at one hundred to one, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
One hundred to one. I think you get a hundred.
You would have one hundred and one odds on this one.
You know who I think the person would be Hillary Clinton.
I think it's likelier to be Hillary Clinton than it
is to be Michelle Obama. I think it's likely to
be Hillary Clinton than anybody else on the Democrat side
of things. She would say, Uh, you know, I'm here
to finish the job for Joe. We've known each other forever. Uh,
(08:28):
twenty sixteen was a fluke. And and you know, the
if she'd mentioned some stuff about Russia and I'm here
to I don't. I would only serve one term or something.
I know, I'm old sacred democracy, YadA, YadA. Look, I
don't think this is going to happen either, But I'm
just saying, if you're talking total collapse of the Biden
ticket and they did, I then Hillary Clinton. They still
(08:50):
they still think that they're ready for her or whatever
the slogan was, like they now I don't think this
is Just to be clear, I think none of this
is going to happen. But to me, that's a far
likelier situation than when people are talk with Gretchen Whitmer,
Like no one knows how Gretchen Widmer polls and the like.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
This whole thing is crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Gavin Newsom's a snake.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I actually think if they were so pretend that if
Michelle Obama said no, because I think that's how you
get over the black woman angle, which is why I've
been arguing they draft her, they bring her in at
the last minute. What I would say is Gretchen Whitmer
or Josh Shapiro in the battleground states the only route
(09:34):
right now if you look at the polling and if
I understand people out there saying I don't trust the
poll okay, granted, but a lot recently so just to refair,
and then when they're all telling the same story, yes,
could there be an exaggeration? Could Trump only be up uh,
you know, in in in in in Georgia. Could he
(09:54):
only be up three or four instead of seven or eight? Yes, okay,
I can see that. But remember when he's outside the
margin of error in many of these states. Right now,
it looks like you have to win Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan.
If I were just sketching for the Democrats, the best
(10:15):
scenario for them, I think it would be Shapiro Whitmer.
If Michelle Obama says no, Gavin Newsom, I don't buy into,
Kamala Harris would get beat worse. If you took two
popular governors in the Midwest. Shapiro has got a very
high approval rating right now. I can't believe it, but
(10:37):
Michigan Anders have given Gretchen Whitmer decent, decent support. If
you look at the data, Whitmer seven or eight points
ahead of Biden in the state of Michigan. If you
could win those two and then you find a way
to get Wisconsin, you're gonna win the presidents.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
But you have no way of making Gretchen Whitmer and
Jos Shapiro the top of the presidential ticket unless you're
going to somehow have well. You would free up you
would free up all the delegates, right, That's what would
have to happen.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Biden would say, I'm not running. I don't have the
physical capacity. I am not I mean Linda Johnson sixty eight.
He would do it after I think it would have
to be a disastrous performance. On June twenty seventh, he
would say, the state of the nation's too high. I
don't have the ability to do this, and we're going
(11:28):
to have an open, contested convention and Democrats are going
to pick the best candidate to beat Trump. I agree
with you, I don't think it's Gavin Newsom. I don't
think it's Kamala Harris. I don't think it's JB. Pritzker.
If I'm looking at this strategically and Michelle Obama says no,
because I think she's by far the best option, then
the next best option is Shapiro in Pennsylvania and Whitmer,
(11:52):
some combination of a Midwest ticket that would win those
two states.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
But it's going to be Biden. I don't know what
else to say. It's just it's I've told you this all.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
All you have to see on June twenty seven. What
if Biden fell walking on to the stage. Do you
think nothing then.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Eleve, Kamala Harris, the the the issue of a floor fight,
and and the different factions. You gotta remember there's all
these people who are pure egomaniacs who are in politics.
I mean, do you really think you really think, like,
what's her name, the fake Native American Elizabeth Warren. You
think that she's gonna.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Just say okay, like what's best for the party. I'm
just gonna stand aside.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
No, she's gonna start pounding the table.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I'm gonna hold Wall Street accountable. You know, she's gonna
do all the stuff that she I agree it would
be riveting television, but I think that's what they're gambling on.
So but think about what.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
You throw the party in the disarray, you throw it
into a royal rumble situation. While and this is the
key thing, while you have an incumbent president, right, You're
you're bringing this all on yourself as a party. I
think the power of the incumbency is being underestimated here
because as things get closer and Democrats are piling in
more and more money and more and more dollars, and
(13:10):
you know, we'll see how people are feeling. I think
the economy, because of inflation, they can't hide what's really
going on the way that they would like to. And
I don't think that's likely to change. But I think
that there's a I think we're underestimating the machine here
a little bit, just because things look great in May
and things can change really fast.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
The Democrats what that's why, Buck. I think the fact
that the Politico piece says they've spent twenty five million
dollars in the battleground states. That's a lot of money
to spend, and the numbers have gone down. I just
think that what Democrats are recognizing is a lot of
people have made up their mind and they know Trump
and they know Biden, and nothing is moving the numbers.
(13:51):
And at some point you have to start to say, Okay,
if nothing's moved the numbers yet, what are the levers
we're going to pull that's going to change the calculus
that exist right now. And the fact that they would
write that political piece, which is typically a left leaning site,
that they would write that piece on the Tuesday coming
out of Memorial Day and basically say, hey, there's a
full blown panic going on. The timing on it's super
(14:14):
interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I think we agree that if they if they convict
Trump in New York, I think it politically helps them
if they nationally speaking, Yeah, what if they actually put
them in a cell?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Oh, we need to talk about it, because there's a
report that they're seriously conducting discussions about it.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
They sure are, Everybody, we haven't really discussed this, we
haven't put that scenario out there a lot.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
We've talked about it. But what if that's the move They.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Are charging him with thirty four felonies, which is completely insane.
I think he could theoretically serve one hundred and fifty
years or something. But obviously it you know, it would
be like a year. But a year would be all
that need, right, or six months would be all they need.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I I their desperation. We cannot underestimate what the Democrat
Commies are willing to do given the situation that they're in.
That's that's just every day, that's what I'm thinking. I'm
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Speaker 2 (17:30):
All right, real quick turn around here, Clay. See this
from the New York Post. They're saying America's dirtiest city.
Not New York, not even close. You see what they're saying.
They're starting to fight here. I don't know what's going
to happen. New York Posts claiming that Houston, our beloved Houston, Texas,
is the dirtiest city in America.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
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Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out
with us. As we are rolling through the Tuesday edition
(18:55):
of the program, the defense has effectively rested. I believe
they have finished their closing argument and Trump is out
on the lunch break of the case and talking to
the media. Now we are monitoring in the event that
something arises from that, the prosecution will then make its
(19:18):
final case, and the idea is that the case will
be complete by the end of today. Now, typically Wednesday
has been an off day for the jury. I'm guessing
again yesterday was the holiday. I'm guessing that they will
give staff. You guys can look up on this. I
haven't seen a report on whether they will officially go
(19:42):
to the go to begin the jury deliberations tomorrow and
maybe even try to get it done before the end
of the week. That would be my guess, but that
remains to be seen because Wednesday has typically been a
day when these guys are are not appearing. So just
kind of put a pin in that and pay attention
(20:02):
to it as we continue to follow it. Buck, you
raised a question that we have talked about for a
couple of years off and on on this show, because
it's so crazy since the charges began, they have a
CBS News has got a story up about the discussions
(20:23):
that have been going on between the Secret Service and
the New York officials, which Eric Adams has addressed and
talked about that would be necessary to occur if Trump
was actually put into jail. Now, the case is over
effectively in terms of gag order violations or anything associated
(20:46):
with that. And so what exactly this would look like
remains to be seen. But I'm reading from CBS. If
the jury finds Trump guilty, it's difficult to predict that
say what exactly will occur. And we've talked about this
with Andy McCarthy, and I'm reading from this article. According
to former Manhattan prosecutor Duncan Levin, there is a judges
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have brought authority to determine when sentences are handed down.
And I said this a while back. My concern Buck
is that now that it's likely that this is the
only bite at the apple they're gonna get from a
criminal perspective, if there is a conviction, I really think
(21:31):
they may try to put Trump in prison as soon
as they possibly can speedwalk this whole thing and try
to put him in prison while the trial's actually going on.
Now do you buy that? Point one? I'm concerned that
they would. Point two if they did it. Is it
actually so politically damaging that they might tell Judge merchand No,
(21:56):
you can't do that, because my thought is putting Trump
in risen over this in the middle of a presidential
campaign actually would work very much to Trump's benefit, even
though it would keep him off the trail. Does that
make sense? How do you assess the probability, the likelihood,
and the political impact of what was once kind of
(22:16):
a crazy idea to even discuss.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I think that you have to see this to the
degree that it's possible through the lens of people who
are irrational and emotionally compromised. Because anybody who really believes
that Donald Trump is going to end the country and
end our republic, our democracy, all that stuff is not
of sound mind right now and is really subject to
(22:40):
a mass hysteria. I mean, they they're in a place
where I think they're incapable of sound and reason judgment
on this issue. They may seem normal in a lot
of other things, but they cannot look at this for
what it is and come to a logical or fair
minded conclusion. So with that in mind, yeah, I don't
think you can rule it out. And also, so people
(23:01):
become desperate, and they do desperate things, And the polls
right now are indicative of very desperate Democrats. If I
were a Democrat, like if I had been hired, this
will never happen.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I promise.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
If I had been hired to be a Democrat strategist
in this election cycle right now, I'd be having warroom meetings,
so to speak about we got to shake it up.
We gotta do something. We can't let this situation continue
as it is. There's a lot of things you can
say about locking up the president, even for or former president,
even for a few days. But one thing that's definitely
(23:36):
true is it would change things up a bit. It
would change up the focus, and you would have visuals
of him. I think going into a prison situation, a
holding facility. Do they have the I mean, Clay, let
me just take a step back. It was crazy. I
(23:56):
remember speaking to before a single prosecution happen, and speaking
to two former US attorneys general, and they were both
said to me, this is after the mar Lago ray.
They both said to me privately, they're going to prosecute
this guy, and this is insane. Yeah, they couldn't process.
(24:17):
They knew it was coming, but they even couldn't process
how insane it was that they were actually going.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
To do that.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
And now here we are, they're actually they did the prosecution.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
We're in the middle of it.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
We're about to find out what the verdict is, do
you know what I mean, it's so hard to draw
a line in the sand because they've kicked through so
many lines drawn in the sand.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I think that they may house arrest him, which you've
talked about in an effort to keep him off of
the campaign trail, but then also be able to say, oh,
we're actually being super generous in not trying to put
him in prison, because I think they recognize that trying
to put him in prison politically would up on them.
(25:01):
And I think the idea you would think, and I
think the idea of putting him in Trump Tower or
in mar A Lago. It's a gilded existence, you see it,
but under house arrest.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Here I am ankle bracelet on the most beautiful apartment
in all of New York City, though three floor is amazing.
Look at all the gold, look at all the gildedness.
It's amazing. We're gonna win this election. Horrible Democrats house arrested.
I mean, still very good food, very nice accommodations. Is
that so crazy that it can't happen? No, I can't
tell you that that won't happen.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
And I think the odds of it happening has accelerated
because I really do think the initial idea was we're
going to have him in trial the entire fall, the
entire summer, and we're going to keep him off the
campaign trail. As a result, Now, if they get an arrest, sorry,
if they get a conviction, they may well say house
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arrest and then try to argue that they're being super
beneficial because you know what would happened. All of the
left wing political analysts would go on and talk about
how Trump is getting far more lenient treatment pop I
ever would have deserved, right, They would have their talking points.
You can hear them saying it on MSNBC.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
It will never be enough for them, by the way,
the MSNBC audience, there will be people if Trump is convicted,
and even if they were to put him in let's
say house arrest, they'd be saying that he shouldn't be
treated differently at all. There's nothing in the law that
prevents him from being held in general population. And I
know people would say, what about Secret Service protection. They'd say, well,
the Secret Service could still be there with them.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I guess you know.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
They'll say insane things. It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter
how crazy it is, it just has to feed the
need that a large portion, certainly of the coastal Democrat
voting block, they have a need to hear the most
negative and awful things about Trump possible, and the idea
that maybe they've just been diluted this whole time and
(26:54):
need to calm down, touch grass, as the millennials say,
just chill that curse to them.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I think that you have to be prepared out there
for anything to happen.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Now.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I'm still cautiously optimistic that somebody out there is a
patriot on this jury and will actually apply the law
and recognize that this case has not been proven beyond
a reasonable doubt and refuse to convict. Maybe there will
be multiple of those individuals, and if that ends up happening,
then all of this can still be avoided. And really
(27:30):
then everything will have blown up in the Democrats' faces,
and you could see a situation where you go from
a failure to convict. And I do think buck, how
long does merchand insist that this jury continue to talk
it out before they recognize, hey, we've come to a
hung jury. Nobody's going to change their minds. I think
(27:51):
that's a detail that hasn't been much discussed that all
of you should think about. Are they going to say, hey,
if everybody disagrees for three straight days, It's tough to
be surrounded by people who just say, just go ahead
and say he's guilty. Let's be done with this. It's summer.
Let's get back to our rest of our lives. To
your point, Buck, the name's coming out if you live
(28:12):
in New York, the pressure that you may feel put
upon you and your family, all of those things I
think come into play here, and that will become a
reality potentially as soon as this afternoon when the State
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Speaker 2 (30:11):
And welcome back into Clay and Buck's a reminder. We've
got Alex Barnson, Remember the guy who was saying this
stuff about the vaccines and about the masks and all that,
who was right and who was attacked by the Biden
administration both directly and indirectly, and attacked by the Democrat
legacy media and all.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
The rest of it.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
We're going to have him with us. We're going to
have him joining us, so we have something to talk
to him about. With Fauci, who I have not neither
forgotten nor forgiven. I have neither forgotten nor forgiven, Anthony Fauci,
you're looking at me like you want to say something.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
No.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I think some of the things that Alex is going
to say, because so many people have moved on from COVID,
they just want to pretend it didn't happen. I think
some of the things he's going to say is going
to stagger or some of you because the media is
not covering many of the revelations that are coming out.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Steve in Pensacola Beach, Florida, Steve, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Gentlemen. We've spoken before about the gun charge and may
servant with Conrad Black in federal prison, and I just
wanted to clarify even if he even if Trump is convicted,
which I do not believe he will be, and they
put him in house arrest, he will still be able
to campaign. They will not be able to restrict his
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ability of doing his job.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Okay, so let me ask you this, Steve, Sorry, sorry
to cut you off. I know that under house arrest
you're able to do your job, but usually your job
is in the vicinity in which you are under house arrest.
So you're saying you think the house arrest terms would
allow him to, say, fly, fly from mar A Lago
to Phoenix, Arizona, to do a big rally, or to
(31:56):
Milwaukee or to like I've not seen I'm gonna be candid,
I've not seen house arrest that would allow someone to
cross state lines where you're you know, going all over
the country effectively, you.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Have, yes, absolutely, if that is his job in which
it is obviously is communication and going out there. And
as a presidential candidate, his job is to go out
there and do those specific things. They cannot restrict him
by the constitution of I should say they cannot restrict him.
(32:29):
I shouldn't say this.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Wait, but what would be the point of house arrest
then at all? Like if you know what, yeah, what
would you see? That's a great bucks asking.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
That's why I don't think that will be a I
don't think that's going to be a qualifier. I don't.
I don't think they're going to be able to do
that because they realize that you cannot restrict somebody's Does that.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Mean no punishment or does that does that mean no
punishment or incarceration?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Well, I think there will be restrictions on what he
could do. He could go specifically to that rally, come
back specifically to where he is located, go to a
specific rally, come back to that specific location. So they
can't sit there and say, well, you can't. His living
is obviously going to be as president.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Of Well, I can tell you that the Trump if
it happens, If it happens, the Trump ankle monitor photos
are going to be iconic, just like the mugshot photo.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
John, So that defeats the entire purpose of house arrest,
which I again I'm skeptical that they would allow that, but.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, I would agree with that, John, and Roaring Spring, Pennsylvania. John,
what have you got?
Speaker 4 (33:36):
The Bible says if you do something wrong, you have
to stand face to face with your accuser. With Trump,
they neither define the crime nor let him know what
he did wrong. How can they get away with rationing
for that? And then, well, you raise a good.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Point, John, I mean they haven't even said thank you,
John for calling it. I mean this is this should
hold this whole thing. When I say should never should
have been brought, we know that they held it. They
shouldn't have done that. The judge is stacking the deck
against Trump.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
We know that.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
But on top of all of it, it's a misdemeanor.
The act that he committed is a allegedly is a misdemeanor,
which is like a no big deal, and they're making
it seem much much more serious and creating a felony,
which also extends the statute of limitations, by the way,
by saying that he violated a federal law.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
But they don't have to prove or even say what
the federal law is well. And this is why I
think this is going to get tossed on appeal, because
it's when you are in a criminal trial, in order
to provide the best possible defense to your client, you
need to know all of the elements of the crime
that are required to be proven or disproven. And I
(34:50):
just think what they're doing here is is not workable.
I think that's the case.
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Speaker 1 (35:12):
Is it me?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Or was de Niro comparing nine to eleven and the
Terrorist to Trump? I wonder how these families would feel
about this comparison. I think that's right. We kind of
didn't mention because there's so much to talk about.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
With Dedaniro.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I think Daniro was saying he was like, hey, look
at here the Tao. It was bad terrorist Trump is
a terrorist. I mean, that was sort of what he
was going for there. It was weird, like end of
democracy from al Qaeda is like the end of democracy
from Trump or something.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I think it was such a bad argument that I
didn't even pick up on. I thought he was just
talking about the challenges that New York had overcome, including
right by where we are nine to eleven. But it
is a very strange but he peopleted to Trump.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I mean, to be fair, people, Trump very rapidly from
you know, nine to eleven, New York we had to
overcome this. And he said something about, you know, threat
to democracy. And then he did say Trump wants to
destroy the city, destroy the country.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
And destroy the world.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Kind of sounds like al Qaeda is bumperstick.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
And the challenge why I think the de Niro crazy
argument that not really registering that worked better when he
hadn't already been president. Now he has, and most of
you out there you liked what he did when he
was in president when he was president, and we'll talk
with Alex Bearnson about this, But nobody seems to be
(36:32):
blaming any politician or COVID. No one lost their job
at all over this. No one won a election at
all over this. This was the Ron DeSantis campaign, But
some of this COVID stuff you need to hear. The
latest from Alex Barnson
Welcome Ack in hour number two Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we
are rolling through the Tuesday edition of the program. I
imagine a lot of you still out there on the
roads in the skies, traveling all over the place to
get back to wherever you were as part of your
holiday weekend travel. I'm down in Florida, up on the
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Panhandle thanks to the Panama City affiliate WFLA ninety six
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is down in Miami, so we're both in the Free
State of Florida this week. Different edges of it, however,
as I'm on the Panhandle and Buck is all the
way down in South Florida. Do you have a good
(00:44):
Memorial Day weekend? Yes?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Excellent. It was just Carrie me the dog had a
great time, no real obligations or anything on the schedule.
It's my favorite kind of weekend. Yeah, do what you
want weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I love it. We did three straight days at the
beach down here, which I don't remember doing three straight
deep days at the beach. The boys are in mourning
over for those of out there, those of you out
there who are Atlanta Braves fans, their favorite player is
Ronald Acunya. He tore his acl We got that news
at the beach, So they have spent the past couple
(01:18):
of days in morning. But that was mean. It was awesome,
just a really fantastic weekend. And I knew Buck coming
out of Memorial Day weekend. I'm always really fascinated to
see the planned stories, and so this morning when I
woke up and I started doing the reading to get
ready for the show, I was not surprised that one
(01:42):
of the first stories I saw that was published at
five am from Politico. I understand if a lot of
you are not Politico readers, but Politico is the inside
Washington d C news site that many read right up
there with AXI. But Politico obviously just focused on politics
(02:04):
in their lead story, with three different writers bylined on it.
Here's the headline, Dems in full blown freakout over Biden.
One advisor sub headline. One advisor to major Democratic donors
keeps a running list of the reasons Biden could lose.
(02:25):
Listen to this opening paragraph. Buck a pervasive sense of
fear has settled in at the highest levels of the
Democratic Party over President Joe Biden's re election prospects, even
among office holders and strategists who had previously expressed confidence
about the coming battle with Trump. And here's what they say.
(02:49):
The gap. This is not going to be a surprise.
This is a direct read from the article. The gap
between what Democrats will say on TV or in print
and what they'll text their friends has only grown as
worries have surged about Biden's prospects. You don't want to
be that guy direct quote who's on the record saying
(03:12):
we're doomed, or the campaign's bad, or Biden's making mistakes.
Nobody wants to be that guy, said a Democrat operative
in close contact with the White House. But Biden's poor
polling is creating a freak at freak out. This isn't
this is a great quote. Oh my god, Mitt Romney
might become president. It's oh my god, the democracy might end.
(03:38):
And there's so much detail in here, the fact that
they that Trump is now out raising him, the fact
that there's so many different aspects of this. They've spent
twenty five million dollars in battleground states. They are having
real difficulty now raising money, and again the polls have
(04:01):
not worked. The panic is setting in. So if there
were to be a not able to get a verdict
in this case, and then you follow it up, remember
next week, Hunter Biden goes on trial for his gun
charges and is likely to get hit with a felony.
It's not only that the lawfair is blowing up in Democrats' faces,
(04:24):
it's that Joe Biden's own son is almost assuredly going
to be considered a felon by next week. And this
has a lot of people super nervous. So my thought
is June twenty seventh for Biden, now buck is make
or break. I still think there's gonna that there's possibility
they're going to throw him off the boat. I like that,
(04:51):
you st I don't want to say this to I
don't want them to do it because I think Biden
is such a weak candidate. I want him to be
the nominee. But I think the panic is growing to
the point where if he's bad on that June twenty
seventh debate, I think there's trouble brewing.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
There's no mechan should we go through this all? Everybody
one more time.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You get it. You don't believe there's anybody powerful enough
to force him out.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
There is no mechanism through which they could do this.
They're going think about this. They already moved the DNC
convention clashing with Ohio state law. And if Ohio didn't
change the laws, which I guess that's underway because of
Mike the Wine, they would not have Biden on the
ballot there. You know, there are processes here too. It's
(05:36):
not just like you know, poof, we have a new
person who's at the top of the ballot there. It's
not like there's a person who is the case. I mean,
quite honestly, if you're first of all, if it's not Biden,
it's Kamala that's why you have a vice president. There
is no way that you always talk about the fractured
Democrat or the fracturing of the Democrat coalition, The risk
(05:57):
that they take with the the absolute core of the
Democrat Party, which is consistent black female voters who vote
Democrat right, The risk they take by skipping over Kamala
Harris and putting in like Gavin Newsom or something that
that's just a non starter. I know people say Michelle
Obama is a way to get around this, but you'd
(06:20):
have to have a unanimity within the party at the convention,
which you will not have. It'll be a messy fight
of a situation. You have to be convincing everybody not
only that Biden shouldn't be at the top of the ticket,
but that Kamala the vice president, should.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Not take over. I mean, the whole point.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Of a vice president is that if for some reason
the president can't do it, and that's obviously what they
would say.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I think even at.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
This point, they wouldn't say our guy can't get it
done in the election. They would say that there's you know,
we realize now because of the challenges they try to
mold it together, because of the challenges of his schedule
and everything. His age has caught up to him. YadA YadA.
We need somebody else. It has to be uh Kamala
Harris who steps in at that point, because then it
(07:07):
just shows that the whole thing is a political calculation
and they're throwing out the system and the incumbancy that
they have. But this is my whole point, They're not
gonna do it because if they do it, they're ensuring
Donald Trump is going to win.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I mean the whole thing. Let's think about this. You're
you're proseketting this guy.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
You got the cases going against him, and your guy
can't even make it across the finish line to try
to run again while he's the president. I mean, the
optics of this are terrible. So that's just for me.
Oh but I was gonna say though, and this will
get people fired up ready for this, Wing Clay, you
know who the likeliest person is if you're talking, if
you're talking about the parachute situation, and I think you
(07:45):
get one hundred to one odds on this one or
one to one hundred odds whatever. I think you get
one to one hundred odds on this one. Like it's
a one percent chance that this could happen, meaning that
anyone is replacing Biden and Kamala Kamala replacing Biden, I've
always said could happen.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I'm one on this one for a one. Okay, James,
you get paid off at one hundred to one, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
One hundred to one. I think you get a hundred.
You would have one hundred and one odds on this one.
You know who I think the person would be Hillary Clinton.
I think it's likelier to be Hillary Clinton than it
is to be Michelle Obama. I think it's likely to
be Hillary Clinton than anybody else on the Democrat side
of things. She would say, Uh, you know, I'm here
to finish the job for Joe. We've known each other forever. Uh,
(08:28):
twenty sixteen was a fluke. And and you know, the
if she'd mentioned some stuff about Russia and I'm here
to I don't. I would only serve one term or something.
I know, I'm old sacred democracy, YadA, YadA. Look, I
don't think this is going to happen either, But I'm
just saying, if you're talking total collapse of the Biden
ticket and they did, I then Hillary Clinton. They still
(08:50):
they still think that they're ready for her or whatever
the slogan was, like they now I don't think this
is Just to be clear, I think none of this
is going to happen. But to me, that's a far
likelier situation than when people are talk with Gretchen Whitmer,
Like no one knows how Gretchen Widmer polls and the like.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
This whole thing is crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Gavin Newsom's a snake.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I actually think if they were so pretend that if
Michelle Obama said no, because I think that's how you
get over the black woman angle, which is why I've
been arguing they draft her, they bring her in at
the last minute. What I would say is Gretchen Whitmer
or Josh Shapiro in the battleground states the only route
(09:34):
right now if you look at the polling and if
I understand people out there saying I don't trust the
poll okay, granted, but a lot recently so just to refair,
and then when they're all telling the same story, yes,
could there be an exaggeration? Could Trump only be up uh,
you know, in in in in in Georgia. Could he
(09:54):
only be up three or four instead of seven or eight? Yes, okay,
I can see that. But remember when he's outside the
margin of error in many of these states. Right now,
it looks like you have to win Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan.
If I were just sketching for the Democrats, the best
(10:15):
scenario for them, I think it would be Shapiro Whitmer.
If Michelle Obama says no, Gavin Newsom, I don't buy into,
Kamala Harris would get beat worse. If you took two
popular governors in the Midwest. Shapiro has got a very
high approval rating right now. I can't believe it, but
(10:37):
Michigan Anders have given Gretchen Whitmer decent, decent support. If
you look at the data, Whitmer seven or eight points
ahead of Biden in the state of Michigan. If you
could win those two and then you find a way
to get Wisconsin, you're gonna win the presidents.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
But you have no way of making Gretchen Whitmer and
Jos Shapiro the top of the presidential ticket unless you're
going to somehow have well. You would free up you
would free up all the delegates, right, That's what would
have to happen.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Biden would say, I'm not running. I don't have the
physical capacity. I am not I mean Linda Johnson sixty eight.
He would do it after I think it would have
to be a disastrous performance. On June twenty seventh, he
would say, the state of the nation's too high. I
don't have the ability to do this, and we're going
(11:28):
to have an open, contested convention and Democrats are going
to pick the best candidate to beat Trump. I agree
with you, I don't think it's Gavin Newsom. I don't
think it's Kamala Harris. I don't think it's JB. Pritzker.
If I'm looking at this strategically and Michelle Obama says no,
because I think she's by far the best option, then
the next best option is Shapiro in Pennsylvania and Whitmer,
(11:52):
some combination of a Midwest ticket that would win those
two states.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
But it's going to be Biden. I don't know what
else to say. It's just it's I've told you this all.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
All you have to see on June twenty seven. What
if Biden fell walking on to the stage. Do you
think nothing then.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Eleve, Kamala Harris, the the the issue of a floor fight,
and and the different factions. You gotta remember there's all
these people who are pure egomaniacs who are in politics.
I mean, do you really think you really think, like,
what's her name, the fake Native American Elizabeth Warren. You
think that she's gonna.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Just say okay, like what's best for the party. I'm
just gonna stand aside.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
No, she's gonna start pounding the table.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I'm gonna hold Wall Street accountable. You know, she's gonna
do all the stuff that she I agree it would
be riveting television, but I think that's what they're gambling on.
So but think about what.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
You throw the party in the disarray, you throw it
into a royal rumble situation. While and this is the
key thing, while you have an incumbent president, right, You're
you're bringing this all on yourself as a party. I
think the power of the incumbency is being underestimated here
because as things get closer and Democrats are piling in
more and more money and more and more dollars, and
(13:10):
you know, we'll see how people are feeling. I think
the economy, because of inflation, they can't hide what's really
going on the way that they would like to. And
I don't think that's likely to change. But I think
that there's a I think we're underestimating the machine here
a little bit, just because things look great in May
and things can change really fast.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
The Democrats what that's why, Buck. I think the fact
that the Politico piece says they've spent twenty five million
dollars in the battleground states. That's a lot of money
to spend, and the numbers have gone down. I just
think that what Democrats are recognizing is a lot of
people have made up their mind and they know Trump
and they know Biden, and nothing is moving the numbers.
(13:51):
And at some point you have to start to say, Okay,
if nothing's moved the numbers yet, what are the levers
we're going to pull that's going to change the calculus
that exist right now. And the fact that they would
write that political piece, which is typically a left leaning site,
that they would write that piece on the Tuesday coming
out of Memorial Day and basically say, hey, there's a
full blown panic going on. The timing on it's super
(14:14):
interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I think we agree that if they if they convict
Trump in New York, I think it politically helps them
if they nationally speaking, Yeah, what if they actually put
them in a cell?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Oh, we need to talk about it, because there's a
report that they're seriously conducting discussions about it.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
They sure are, Everybody, we haven't really discussed this, we
haven't put that scenario out there a lot.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
We've talked about it. But what if that's the move They.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Are charging him with thirty four felonies, which is completely insane.
I think he could theoretically serve one hundred and fifty
years or something. But obviously it you know, it would
be like a year. But a year would be all
that need, right, or six months would be all they need.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I I their desperation. We cannot underestimate what the Democrat
Commies are willing to do given the situation that they're in.
That's that's just every day, that's what I'm thinking. I'm
thinking we cannot underestimate how underhanded they are willing to
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Speaker 2 (17:30):
All right, real quick turn around here, Clay. See this
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Not New York, not even close. You see what they're saying.
They're starting to fight here. I don't know what's going
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is the dirtiest city in America.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Fighting words. What is the standard for the dirtiest city
in America to be? I actually, poor Houston residents out
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of the program, the defense has effectively rested. I believe
they have finished their closing argument and Trump is out
on the lunch break of the case and talking to
the media. Now we are monitoring in the event that
something arises from that, the prosecution will then make its
(19:18):
final case, and the idea is that the case will
be complete by the end of today. Now, typically Wednesday
has been an off day for the jury. I'm guessing
again yesterday was the holiday. I'm guessing that they will
give staff. You guys can look up on this. I
haven't seen a report on whether they will officially go
(19:42):
to the go to begin the jury deliberations tomorrow and
maybe even try to get it done before the end
of the week. That would be my guess, but that
remains to be seen because Wednesday has typically been a
day when these guys are are not appearing. So just
kind of put a pin in that and pay attention
(20:02):
to it as we continue to follow it. Buck, you
raised a question that we have talked about for a
couple of years off and on on this show, because
it's so crazy since the charges began, they have a
CBS News has got a story up about the discussions
(20:23):
that have been going on between the Secret Service and
the New York officials, which Eric Adams has addressed and
talked about that would be necessary to occur if Trump
was actually put into jail. Now, the case is over
effectively in terms of gag order violations or anything associated
(20:46):
with that. And so what exactly this would look like
remains to be seen. But I'm reading from CBS. If
the jury finds Trump guilty, it's difficult to predict that
say what exactly will occur. And we've talked about this
with Andy McCarthy, and I'm reading from this article. According
to former Manhattan prosecutor Duncan Levin, there is a judges
(21:10):
have brought authority to determine when sentences are handed down.
And I said this a while back. My concern Buck
is that now that it's likely that this is the
only bite at the apple they're gonna get from a
criminal perspective, if there is a conviction, I really think
(21:31):
they may try to put Trump in prison as soon
as they possibly can speedwalk this whole thing and try
to put him in prison while the trial's actually going on.
Now do you buy that? Point one? I'm concerned that
they would. Point two if they did it. Is it
actually so politically damaging that they might tell Judge merchand No,
(21:56):
you can't do that, because my thought is putting Trump
in risen over this in the middle of a presidential
campaign actually would work very much to Trump's benefit, even
though it would keep him off the trail. Does that
make sense? How do you assess the probability, the likelihood,
and the political impact of what was once kind of
(22:16):
a crazy idea to even discuss.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I think that you have to see this to the
degree that it's possible through the lens of people who
are irrational and emotionally compromised. Because anybody who really believes
that Donald Trump is going to end the country and
end our republic, our democracy, all that stuff is not
of sound mind right now and is really subject to
(22:40):
a mass hysteria. I mean, they they're in a place
where I think they're incapable of sound and reason judgment
on this issue. They may seem normal in a lot
of other things, but they cannot look at this for
what it is and come to a logical or fair
minded conclusion. So with that in mind, yeah, I don't
think you can rule it out. And also, so people
(23:01):
become desperate, and they do desperate things, And the polls
right now are indicative of very desperate Democrats. If I
were a Democrat, like if I had been hired, this
will never happen.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I promise.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
If I had been hired to be a Democrat strategist
in this election cycle right now, I'd be having warroom meetings,
so to speak about we got to shake it up.
We gotta do something. We can't let this situation continue
as it is. There's a lot of things you can
say about locking up the president, even for or former president,
even for a few days. But one thing that's definitely
(23:36):
true is it would change things up a bit. It
would change up the focus, and you would have visuals
of him. I think going into a prison situation, a
holding facility. Do they have the I mean, Clay, let
me just take a step back. It was crazy. I
(23:56):
remember speaking to before a single prosecution happen, and speaking
to two former US attorneys general, and they were both
said to me, this is after the mar Lago ray.
They both said to me privately, they're going to prosecute
this guy, and this is insane. Yeah, they couldn't process.
(24:17):
They knew it was coming, but they even couldn't process
how insane it was that they were actually going.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
To do that.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
And now here we are, they're actually they did the prosecution.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
We're in the middle of it.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
We're about to find out what the verdict is, do
you know what I mean, it's so hard to draw
a line in the sand because they've kicked through so
many lines drawn in the sand.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I think that they may house arrest him, which you've
talked about in an effort to keep him off of
the campaign trail, but then also be able to say, oh,
we're actually being super generous in not trying to put
him in prison, because I think they recognize that trying
to put him in prison politically would up on them.
(25:01):
And I think the idea you would think, and I
think the idea of putting him in Trump Tower or
in mar A Lago. It's a gilded existence, you see it,
but under house arrest.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Here I am ankle bracelet on the most beautiful apartment
in all of New York City, though three floor is amazing.
Look at all the gold, look at all the gildedness.
It's amazing. We're gonna win this election. Horrible Democrats house arrested.
I mean, still very good food, very nice accommodations. Is
that so crazy that it can't happen? No, I can't
tell you that that won't happen.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
And I think the odds of it happening has accelerated
because I really do think the initial idea was we're
going to have him in trial the entire fall, the
entire summer, and we're going to keep him off the
campaign trail. As a result, Now, if they get an arrest, sorry,
if they get a conviction, they may well say house
(25:55):
arrest and then try to argue that they're being super
beneficial because you know what would happened. All of the
left wing political analysts would go on and talk about
how Trump is getting far more lenient treatment pop I
ever would have deserved, right, They would have their talking points.
You can hear them saying it on MSNBC.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
It will never be enough for them, by the way,
the MSNBC audience, there will be people if Trump is convicted,
and even if they were to put him in let's
say house arrest, they'd be saying that he shouldn't be
treated differently at all. There's nothing in the law that
prevents him from being held in general population. And I
know people would say, what about Secret Service protection. They'd say, well,
the Secret Service could still be there with them.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I guess you know.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
They'll say insane things. It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter
how crazy it is, it just has to feed the
need that a large portion, certainly of the coastal Democrat
voting block, they have a need to hear the most
negative and awful things about Trump possible, and the idea
that maybe they've just been diluted this whole time and
(26:54):
need to calm down, touch grass, as the millennials say,
just chill that curse to them.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I think that you have to be prepared out there
for anything to happen.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Now.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I'm still cautiously optimistic that somebody out there is a
patriot on this jury and will actually apply the law
and recognize that this case has not been proven beyond
a reasonable doubt and refuse to convict. Maybe there will
be multiple of those individuals, and if that ends up happening,
then all of this can still be avoided. And really
(27:30):
then everything will have blown up in the Democrats' faces,
and you could see a situation where you go from
a failure to convict. And I do think buck, how
long does merchand insist that this jury continue to talk
it out before they recognize, hey, we've come to a
hung jury. Nobody's going to change their minds. I think
(27:51):
that's a detail that hasn't been much discussed that all
of you should think about. Are they going to say, hey,
if everybody disagrees for three straight days, It's tough to
be surrounded by people who just say, just go ahead
and say he's guilty. Let's be done with this. It's summer.
Let's get back to our rest of our lives. To
your point, Buck, the name's coming out if you live
(28:12):
in New York, the pressure that you may feel put
upon you and your family, all of those things I
think come into play here, and that will become a
reality potentially as soon as this afternoon when the State
of New York completes its argument. But man, this is
truly uncharted waters, and trying to predict exactly what's going
(28:35):
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rely upon. Last night we saw the Boston Celtics. Unfortunately
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got Alex Barnson, Remember the guy who was saying this
stuff about the vaccines and about the masks and all that,
who was right and who was attacked by the Biden
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Speaker 1 (30:32):
The rest of it.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
We're going to have him with us. We're going to
have him joining us, so we have something to talk
to him about. With Fauci, who I have not neither
forgotten nor forgiven. I have neither forgotten nor forgiven, Anthony Fauci,
you're looking at me like you want to say something.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
No.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I think some of the things that Alex is going
to say, because so many people have moved on from COVID,
they just want to pretend it didn't happen. I think
some of the things he's going to say is going
to stagger or some of you because the media is
not covering many of the revelations that are coming out.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Steve in Pensacola Beach, Florida, Steve, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Gentlemen. We've spoken before about the gun charge and may
servant with Conrad Black in federal prison, and I just
wanted to clarify even if he even if Trump is convicted,
which I do not believe he will be, and they
put him in house arrest, he will still be able
to campaign. They will not be able to restrict his
(31:31):
ability of doing his job.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Okay, so let me ask you this, Steve, Sorry, sorry
to cut you off. I know that under house arrest
you're able to do your job, but usually your job
is in the vicinity in which you are under house arrest.
So you're saying you think the house arrest terms would
allow him to, say, fly, fly from mar A Lago
to Phoenix, Arizona, to do a big rally, or to
(31:56):
Milwaukee or to like I've not seen I'm gonna be candid,
I've not seen house arrest that would allow someone to
cross state lines where you're you know, going all over
the country effectively, you.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Have, yes, absolutely, if that is his job in which
it is obviously is communication and going out there. And
as a presidential candidate, his job is to go out
there and do those specific things. They cannot restrict him
by the constitution of I should say they cannot restrict him.
(32:29):
I shouldn't say this.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Wait, but what would be the point of house arrest
then at all? Like if you know what, yeah, what
would you see? That's a great bucks asking.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
That's why I don't think that will be a I
don't think that's going to be a qualifier. I don't.
I don't think they're going to be able to do
that because they realize that you cannot restrict somebody's Does that.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Mean no punishment or does that does that mean no
punishment or incarceration?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Well, I think there will be restrictions on what he
could do. He could go specifically to that rally, come
back specifically to where he is located, go to a
specific rally, come back to that specific location. So they
can't sit there and say, well, you can't. His living
is obviously going to be as president.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Of Well, I can tell you that the Trump if
it happens, If it happens, the Trump ankle monitor photos
are going to be iconic, just like the mugshot photo.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
John, So that defeats the entire purpose of house arrest,
which I again I'm skeptical that they would allow that, but.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, I would agree with that, John, and Roaring Spring, Pennsylvania. John,
what have you got?
Speaker 4 (33:36):
The Bible says if you do something wrong, you have
to stand face to face with your accuser. With Trump,
they neither define the crime nor let him know what
he did wrong. How can they get away with rationing
for that? And then, well, you raise a good.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Point, John, I mean they haven't even said thank you,
John for calling it. I mean this is this should
hold this whole thing. When I say should never should
have been brought, we know that they held it. They
shouldn't have done that. The judge is stacking the deck
against Trump.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
We know that.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
But on top of all of it, it's a misdemeanor.
The act that he committed is a allegedly is a misdemeanor,
which is like a no big deal, and they're making
it seem much much more serious and creating a felony,
which also extends the statute of limitations, by the way,
by saying that he violated a federal law.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
But they don't have to prove or even say what
the federal law is well. And this is why I
think this is going to get tossed on appeal, because
it's when you are in a criminal trial, in order
to provide the best possible defense to your client, you
need to know all of the elements of the crime
that are required to be proven or disproven. And I
(34:50):
just think what they're doing here is is not workable.
I think that's the case.
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Speaker 1 (35:12):
Is it me?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Or was de Niro comparing nine to eleven and the
Terrorist to Trump? I wonder how these families would feel
about this comparison. I think that's right. We kind of
didn't mention because there's so much to talk about.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
With Dedaniro.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I think Daniro was saying he was like, hey, look
at here the Tao. It was bad terrorist Trump is
a terrorist. I mean, that was sort of what he
was going for there. It was weird, like end of
democracy from al Qaeda is like the end of democracy
from Trump or something.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I think it was such a bad argument that I
didn't even pick up on. I thought he was just
talking about the challenges that New York had overcome, including
right by where we are nine to eleven. But it
is a very strange but he peopleted to Trump.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I mean, to be fair, people, Trump very rapidly from
you know, nine to eleven, New York we had to
overcome this. And he said something about, you know, threat
to democracy. And then he did say Trump wants to
destroy the city, destroy the country.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
And destroy the world.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Kind of sounds like al Qaeda is bumperstick.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
And the challenge why I think the de Niro crazy
argument that not really registering that worked better when he
hadn't already been president. Now he has, and most of
you out there you liked what he did when he
was in president when he was president, and we'll talk
with Alex Bearnson about this, But nobody seems to be
(36:32):
blaming any politician or COVID. No one lost their job
at all over this. No one won a election at
all over this. This was the Ron DeSantis campaign, But
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