April 21, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show begins with a recap of the major news from the weekend, including the passing of Pope Francis at the age of 88. The hosts discuss the upcoming conclave to select a new Pope and reflect on the significance of this event. They also highlight the White House Easter egg roll, contrasting President Trump's interactions with children to a previous incident involving President Biden and the Easter Bunny.
The conversation shifts to immigration, focusing on the Trump administration's efforts to expand deportation powers. The hosts discuss the challenges of deporting illegal immigrants, emphasizing the need for new legislation to facilitate this process. They address the Supreme Court's recent decision to halt the deportation of violent criminals and the broader implications for immigration enforcement.
Listeners call in to discuss the potential use of presidential pardoning powers to circumvent legal obstacles in the deportation process. The hosts explore the complexities of this approach and the potential constitutional crisis it could provoke. They also discuss the Democrats' strategy to delay deportations and the long-term impact of illegal immigration on the United States.
The truth about who pays the most taxes.
The show covers the political and legal ramifications of the criminal referral against New York Attorney General Letitia James, highlighting the media's lack of coverage on this issue. The hosts criticize the Democrats' handling of the Kilmar Abrego Garcia case, arguing that it is a political loser for them and emphasizing the importance of enforcing immigration laws.
The hour concludes with a discussion on the benefits of multi-generational households, particularly the involvement of grandparents in raising children. The hosts share personal anecdotes and emphasize the positive impact of grandparents on family dynamics and child-rearing.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. Hope all of
you had fabulous Easter weekends and had a lot of
great time to spend with your families, and we are
back here with you breaking down everything that has happened
over the course of the weekend. First big news, as
(00:21):
we started the show with this, the Pope has passed
at the age of eighty eight. They already have sent
notice that they will be having a conclave to select
a new pope, and that is certainly a major international
story as a new pope is sought, and we will
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see exactly how that comes down. In the early parts
of the show. The White House has been hosting the
annual Easter egg role and President Trump and Milania have
been meeting with so many young kids that are involved
in that great festive occasion, and I had I think
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producer Greg has has got some of this lined up.
That is the difference between the last Easter when Joe
Biden basically I guess that was a couple of years
ago when the Easter Bunny had to come save President
Biden who was answering questions, and it was clear he
(01:27):
didn't know what he was talking about. This is a flashback.
This was in April of twenty twenty two. This is
one of the moments, I think, when it became increasingly
difficult for anyone to argue that Joe Biden was still
in control of his full faculties. This is the Easter
Bunny coming to grab. Do you remember a throwback here?
(01:47):
Twenty twenty two, the Easter Bunny has to rescue Biden
from the press's canast. Okay, it's a little bit hard
to hear, but that is the Easter Bunny. You probably
saw that video that went viral back then of the
(02:08):
Easter Bunny having to rescue Biden from making no sense
while talking to the press. Here is Trump referencing that.
Remember when the Bunny took Joe Biden out, he says
he's not taking Trump out cut twenty five.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Do you remember the Bunny with Joe Biden?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Remember do you remember when the when.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
The Bunny took Joe Biden out back, He's not gonna
take He's not taking Trump out anyway.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
That was a good That was.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
A beautiful moment when the Bunny saved Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
The Bunny saved Joe Biden. Lots of reaction pouring in
from the first hour. We got a VIP email from
Bill said he loved the opening of the show and
he said, I think Buck should be Pope. Well, that
would be certainly a major plot twist. I don't think
the pope can be married. As a general rule, pope
at least is not supposed to have children. Although we
(03:01):
were talking about off air when I went, I'd never
really paid that much attention to the history of all
of the popes. Man, you want to talk about crazy stories,
go back and read some of the histories of the popes.
I mean, some of those guys had like Elon musk
Ish numbers of children, certainly in contravention of some of
(03:24):
them were married. There were a lot of sordid, crazy,
wild stories back in the day about the popes, much
more so than the modern era.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I'm sure you've seen some of those.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
But I would encourage anybody out there if you get
the opportunity on the bucket list, even if you're not Catholic,
the opportunity to visit Vatican City is one of the
most I would say edifying and truly enjoyable moments and
locations anywhere in the world to be able to experience some.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Of those popes that had more colorful backgrounds really paid
for some really nice artwork too, So there's that.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, if you liked.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Assistine Chapel, I mean some of the stuff that they
got done, you know, they were they were they were
getting it done. In other ways, they weren't, they weren't
living in the model of Christ, but they were paying
for some fancy sculptures.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The it's funny that you mentioned the the all of
the different churches and cathedrals and everything else. My youngest
buck when we went to uh, when we went to Italy,
I guess he was maybe seven.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
We went in so many different old churches and everything else,
cathedrals and and near the end of the trip he
just said, I can't you can imagine a seven year
old having to go into so many different old churches.
And his brothers were a little bit better, they were
a little bit older, and they've got a history. Nerd
dad who just can't see, like, I love all of it, right,
(04:54):
I'm just kind of overwhelmed by the majesty of so
many of these old cathedrals and churches all over in
Rome and Italy in general, and I just remember he
just kind of threw a little bit of a seven
year old fit, like I can't see any more churches
any more cathedrals, you know, And I just I'll remember
(05:15):
that for the rest of my life that he just
my youngest was just like I can't do this anymore.
Dav That is not necessarily the ideal place to take
seven year old, but I do think as it gets older,
he's going to really enjoy it a lot. We've been
talking also about the latest Supreme Court battle as Trump
is trying to expansively create a new foundation that would
(05:39):
allow him to deport from inside of the country. And
this is so important. We're not talking about a deportation
being somebody not being allowed into the country. We're talking
about someone being taken out of the country. And the
pace would suggest that only about three hundred thousand a
year are even possible, which means it would take somewhere
(05:59):
around thirty years merely to take all of the people
that Joe Biden let in back out of the country.
And a lot of people want to weigh in on this,
and so let's take some of the calls out there.
Eight hundred and two two two eight A two Scott
in Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
What you got for us?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Just got a couple of questions here. The president has
pretty broad pardoning powers to the point where Biden was
able to pardon people that weren't even charged with anything. Yet,
why can't Trump or the Trump administration keep doing what
they're doing? And if there's any issues, pardon neither himself
or anybody else that's charged with anything regarding these mass deportations.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Oh man, So this is a really interesting question. This
is like a law exam question. He's right that the
scope of the pardons that Biden put in place were
for any crime that had been committed basically over the
last decade. And if the president has the absolce power,
he could theoretically and this turns into actually a constitutional crisis,
(07:05):
which is the reason why I would not advise it.
He could theoretically defy the ruling of the Supreme Court,
and if someone tried to prosecute him or anyone else
for defying the ruling of the Supreme Court, he could
give them absolute and complete pardons, and therefore there would
be no consequences for then defying the ruling of the
(07:26):
Supreme Court. That would be a means of trying to
hack the system from within. But I will say what
the whole immigration system has shown us up to this
point is that they found that asylum was essentially a
hack for open borders. Yeah, and it was used in
bad faith and Democrats allowed this, and they knew it
(07:47):
and they didn't care. So desperate times call for desperate measures.
There may be I'm not I don't think Trump's going
to go the route that our caller raises, but I
do think that you're getting closer to a point at
which the president may just say, you don't have the
right to review this. This is presidential prerogative. And how
many divisions do you have, Supreme Court. I think that
(08:08):
that may happen at some point here. I also think
the big issue, and we're trying to hammer this because
I do think it's important for you all to conceptually get,
is Joe Biden effectively said I am going to allow
ten million plus illegals into the country. And he did that,
(08:28):
as Buck said, by manipulating the law to basically make
all ten million of those people say, oh, I live
in fear of going back to my country. I would
point this out buck in Europe, the people who have
used the fear of going back to their country, as
soon as they get citizenship, they immediately take trips back
to their country, right, and then they try to sponsor
(08:50):
the rest of their family in too. This is a
whole part of the asylum process that people don't discuss
enough is that if you are able to gain the
system and stay here and get legal status, then you
become the anchor for Well, now I have to bring
my whole family here. I had a fear of whatever
in my country, and now my whole you know, ten
of my relatives have to come as well.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
And this is what ends up happening.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
But if you truly had that fear, you would ever
go back. There are some people who are in danger
of authorities. Those people would never go back to their country, right,
because you would actually fear for your life. Well, these
guys overwhelmingly say I fear, and then as soon as
they get citizenship they start going multiple times a year
back to the country they supposedly were fearful s. Also,
(09:33):
this is where you get to faithless execution of the law,
and then you need to have people who are faithfully
executing the law as we understand it, as Americans or else,
the whole system collapses on itself and we don't have
rule of law.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That is what they did on immigration. They knew we
were being scammed, they knew that people were lying, they
knew this was the system, and they just acted like, sorry,
nothing we can do.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
No.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
There were plenty of things they could have done. They
could have turned them away at the border and say
you're not passing the credible fear test, because reading off
of a sheet of paper that says I have a
fear from my home country of the following doesn't make
me think that you actually have any fear whatsoever. There
were a lot of things that they could have done,
and a lot of means that they could have used,
but they chose not to do it. I mean, which
meant that they chose to leave the border wide open
(10:18):
and let all these people come into the country. And
I think that we're still dealing now with the both
the outrage and the realization of how extensive that process was.
You know, it is the It is in fact the
case that if you had a bunch of you know, clay,
you could have law enforcement in an area just say, look,
we don't have the resources. Sorry, home invasions are illegal
(10:39):
where we are, or you know, burglaries and home invasions
are illegal, we just don't have the resources to devote
to it right now. So we're not going to be
responding to those calls there. I mean, legally, technically they
could do that. And now you'd say, well, of course,
but the sheriff would be fired and okay, yeah, but
they could theoretically just pretend like they're that incompetent, in
(11:00):
that insane and there's not really a lot that in
a certain community you'd.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Be left with.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
This is what I mean, my faithless execution. If the
people that are in charge of actually enforcing the law
say we're not going to do it, well you got
a big problem on your hands. It's exactly what Biden
did with the legal immigration. They had this issue, I
believe in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I think it's better now, but there was something like
an hour and a half average time between when you
would call police saying hey, we need police and when
they would actually show up. Think about that for a
minute in your neighborhoods, in the event that you ever
needed police. To have that long is pretty disastrous. Greg
(11:40):
and Huntington, West Virginia. You're asking a question because we're
trying to find Hey, what is a solution here? Trump
is pushing the presidential powers. I guess he just dropped,
but he was going to ask whether or not there
was an ability for the House and the Senate, since
they're controlled by the Republican party, to pass a law
that would allow this to occur. I think it's a
(12:04):
great question. What I said earlier, and I think it's unfortunate.
Is I think that the Democrats are so committed to
a legal immigration occurring that they would fill a buster
in the Senate to stop any bill that would codify
the president's right to deport illegals at a more rapid fashion.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I think that's how.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
They're committed to it, and this is what we said
would happen. Trump can have the goal, but Democrats are
looking at it and saying, hey, we're going to take
back the House soon. All we have to do is
slow his progress here, and eventually we're going to have
another Democrat president and we're just going to wide open
the southern border again and time. If they can delay
this is on their side insofar as the longer these
(12:47):
people stay in the country. The more they will have
connections to this country, the harder it will be. It's
harder to report somebody in five years than it is
in year one. It's a lot harder to report somebody
in year fifteen or twenty, politically, legally and otherwise. And
they think that eventually the weight I think of the
illegals in this country will be so overwhelming, there'll be
(13:07):
so many tens of millions that there'll just be a
a move toward an amnesty. And I know that sounds
crazy right now. Reagan signed an amnesty. It was a
terrible idea. He was wrong, and now California is a
left wing hell hole. So you know that's what ends.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I know it's beautiful and nice, but you know what
I mean, Politically, California has been turned crazy, and the
amnesty was a huge.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Part of it, huge part of it. This all ties
in with birth right citizenship too. I'm sorry, but no
mom who has an American citizen child, by and large,
is going to get deported. That's the reality. This is
why birthright citizenship in conjunction with an open border creates
what you're saying, Buck, and I think is so important
(13:52):
running issues because if you're in this country illegally for
five years or ten years, you start to live your
normal life here. And if you have children, and your
children are American citizens, and basically they are your gold card,
because it comes very difficult to deport a mom that
has American children.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
We can't agree with the Democrats on core issues, either
of Americanism or what makes you an American. I don't
think right now, if they tried to pass a English
as the national language of the United States, they come
Democrats wouldn't go for it.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
If you ask a Democrat what is an American? Really
interesting question, I think they have effectively no answer for
you whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
These days.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
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Speaker 3 (16:19):
I just want to note.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Silence really over the weekend from the Sunday shows and
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Speaker 7 (16:40):
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referred there was a criminal referral made by the Director
of Federal Housing and Finance Agency. My initial response was,
Oh boy, here we go. Trump is just weaponizing the
(17:02):
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Speaker 3 (17:08):
And then I actually read what they were alleging.
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They put out the APB of we're not going to
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in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you
hanging out with us. I do think it's worth mentioning
on all this Abraio Garcia craziness. Taxpayers are funding all
of these trips to El Salvador. You and me and
everybody out there who actually pays taxes, which is only
(19:17):
about half the American population. Don't even be started on that.
Do you know, Buck, that forty percent of all US
income taxes are paid by the top.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
One percent of earners.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I do know that no one ever pushes back on
this and says, okay, what should what should the fair
share of the one percent be? Only half of us
even pay federal income taxes, but forty percent of all
federal income taxes are actually paid by the top one percent?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
What should they pay?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I never hear in argument everybody's like, oh, pay your
fair share all this stuff. It's very rarely discussed how
disproportional the amount of taxes paid actually are. In other words,
if you are paying a single dollar in US federal
income taxes, you are a part of only half of Americans.
(20:10):
It's actually a little bit less than half of Americans,
I think, most recently, that are actually funding all of this.
But the fact that he got paid by taxpayer dollars. Now,
there are four more Congress people in the air right
now on their way to El Salvador. I believe they
have just landed, also paid for by taxpayer dollars. I
(20:34):
can't imagine that there is any way that this is
resonating with average Americans out there that they feel like
five different elected representatives from the Senate and the House
should be going to El Salvador to check on a
wife beating human trafficker. I think it's a clear political
loser for them, and it's one of these moments where
(20:56):
you have to remember Trump's for politics are truly exceptional.
I think he recognizes that part of it. But I'm
actually wondering right now. Let's say I just want to
play this out a little.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Bit, Clay.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Let's say that we were to have a Trump administration
that finally came together. You know what, fine, fine, fine,
Senator so and so and Congresswoman so and so. You
know what, We'll give this guy more due process. So
they're going to then ask the president of El Salvador
to take an El Salvador in national right. No one
(21:36):
disagrees that's It's not like this guy's claim is that
he's actually an American. If you were actually an American,
I would have a problem with this. Okay, he's not
an American citizen. He's someone else's problem. But no one
even claims that. He doesn't claim it. Nobody does. They
just say he's an illegal who should have gotten more
due process. By what mechanism do they take this foreign national,
(21:59):
bring him into the United States, to give him a
tribunal or a a you know, in front of a judge.
I don't even know what this would be, so that
they can say, Okay, now you're here, you're not an American,
you're an illegal, and you have a deportation order. Now
you go back to El Salvador. I really mean this, like,
(22:21):
what what is the game plan here from the people
that are so upset at Trump? We're going to take
a foreign national, bring him, fly him back to America
for this specific in custody.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I suppose correct.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
He's never going to be free at any process during
the course of this procedure.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
So bring him back to US soil to hold him
in custody, to then have him go before I guess
a third judge, because he's already gone in front of two
said he's an MS thirteen member, going for the third judge,
and and then what oh, they hope that that judge
decides that this guy should be able to stay. Like
they think about what that would actually look like for
(22:59):
the Democrats though, right? It imagine that just despite Trump,
they tell or you know, they get some left wing
immigration judge, some Trump aiding judge to say no, this
guy gets to stay. That would then prove to us
the Democrats are completely insane and don't want to deport anyone,
including MS thirteen gang members who aren't Americans.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yes, yes, I think it's all true. And that's why
I think the understanding this battle is so important. The
reason why the Trump team is fighting this battle is
if they're going to be able to deport millions of people,
which is their goal in this four years, they cannot
do it under existing policy and implementation of immigration.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Law because it just takes too long.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
And that is the gamble that the diabolical Democrats who
allowed the ten million illegals into the country took, they
basically think, and you laid it out.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I think it's true.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
The longer and illegal gets to stay in the country,
the harder it becomes to take them back again.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
You could have kids if.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
You're a If you're a woman and you enter this
country illegally and you have a kid on American soil,
I'm telling you, it is going to be virtually impossible
to get you deported.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
That's what I thought they would wait for. Buck.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I thought they would wait for a mom who is
actually a very compelling front facing figure, and that person
gets deported and they say, oh, my goodness, she has
American citizen children. I thought that's what they would wait for.
I think they have chosen poorly in the front facing
member that they have decided to put here. But I
(24:44):
also think it's important that can I wait wait? Can
I just want one one reason about that?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Because I thought too they'd wait for like the abuela
who you know, was like cleaning cleaning a hotel or
houses for thirty years, and she got caught up in
some Allen was being removed. The issue with that, though,
is because of the prioritization that Tom Homan and DHS
are engaged in. They're not going to get to those people,
(25:09):
maybe ever, but they're not going to get to them
for quite a long time. People who have been here
a long time, who aren't a public safety threat, et cetera.
So they had to just lean into this of like,
what do you mean you don't want the trend to
Aragua hit man to still be here? Like how dare you, sir?
He has rights. They've decided that they have to speed
it up with the attacks on Trump.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Here is Glenn Ivy on MSNBC. What they're trying to
say is, first of all, I think a lot of people,
because they're poorly informed, don't even understand that this guy's
an illegal immigrant. Did you see Bill Maher, who should
be really super well informed, did not seem aware that
this guy was an illegal immigrant. That's why they're calling
him a Maryland man. And they're trying to make people fearful. Oh,
(25:54):
if they can do this to him, they'll do it
to you too. This is the this is the foundation
of the thing. He's not an American, he's not supposed
to be here, and all the stuff that has gone
on up to this point are just failures and scams
within our immigration system to prevent him from being deported
(26:15):
in an expeditious fashion. That's the whole Everything else is noise, right,
he does not have the legal, lawful right to be
in America. All the delays and all the other stuff,
this is just processed nonsense. And here is Simone Sanders
and Glenn Ivy saying on MSNBC, this is where they
really want to take the argument. If they can take
(26:37):
this guy, you're next slippery slope, very alive and well
cut twenty. If they could do it to them, if
they could snatch students off the street without any pushback
or recourse, they.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Will do it to any of us. It's to be
very clear, it's gonna be.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
The people of color and vulnerable communities that are next.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Still on, I think that's right, and that's certainly part
of why the African American community is so strongly behind
the supporting kill MA. Yeah, because, as you just said,
if they're gonna wisk them away, what are they gonna
do with us?
Speaker 3 (27:06):
This is so ludicrous.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
There is no black person in America who is a
citizen of the United States that is going to be
whisked away and put into an l Salvadorian prison. And
anybody arguing, by the way, black, Asian, Hispanic, white, if
you are an American citizen, this cannot happen to you.
This is there is a zero percent chance it would
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be a flagrant constitutional violation. This is for illegal immigrants,
and right now, Buck, it's for illegal immigrants that the
Trump team believes are actually engaged in violent, predatory, gangland behavior,
the likes of which has been taking American lives. The
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idea that that would be the argument is just so
fundamentally dishonest, even for them.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Obama the great savior of the left, favorite president. I
think Obama's the favorite Democrat president in all history. For
certainly Democrats alive today, I think he's their number one.
Obama ordered drone strikes that killed American citizens, just just
to be clear everybody, and in one case intentionally. Now
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they were abroad, but they were US citizens. They had
no trial, There was no trial, there was no due
process there. The process was the President said that guy's
a threat, blow them up. Does that ever, you know,
you'd never hear this tough. Where were all the people
laying down in traffic and all upset about that one?
Where were the due process rights for Admiral Alacki and
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his son.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
They didn't care. They didn't care. So just based on
executive authority.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So based on executive authority, you can kill an American citizen,
but you can't actually deport a non citizen to his
country of origin as the president.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Think about that.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
American president, if he's a Democrat, can blow up an
American abroad, hopefully not in like you know, Texas, but
can blow up an American abroad, but the US president
cannot send a foreign national to his country of origin.
That's the system we have.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
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Speaker 1 (29:08):
The other thing they're saying is that America is responsible
for him being in prison. El Salvador believes this guy
is dangerous, which is why he's in prison in their
home country. And you know who has made El Salvador
one of the safest countries in the entire Western hemisphere, Bukayley.
Do you know how he's done it? Radical idea buck
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put bad guys behind bars and keep them there. It's
why he's wildly popular because you can argue, and I
think it's probably true number one thing that a government
really should do help make it citizens safer.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
It's probably the.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Number one most important goal, make your citizens safe. Then
we want to educate, and we also ideally would like
to be able to put out fires. Sorry, Los Angeles,
he'd managed to elect people who aren't capable of doing that.
But making people safe is the utmost responsibility, and that's
what Bukeli's done a good job of, and that's what
Trump is trying to do with all the illegals that
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Speaker 2 (31:21):
Well, welcome back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Here we're seeing this reporting. It's from NPR.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
So, yeah, regime sponsored media that wouldn't be able to
survive on its own. And then they say, yes, we would.
It's such a small part of our budget. All right, Well,
then get why you need it? Get it up right. Yeah,
you can't have it both ways.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
NPR.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Oh, we're so profitable, we don't need that money. Good,
let's just stay with the taxpayers. They're saying that there's
a it's already in the works to replace hexeth. I
don't buy it, I said Carolin Leavitt already said fake news. Well,
we'll dive into this a little bit more. But this
is all part of what we were just talking about,
even with Abrego Garcia, Clay, which is they just have
to do opposition. So it doesn't you know, they Pete
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is the guy they want to take out. Abrego Garcia
is there. Trump is a fascist. You know, we're heading
to authoritarianism. Symbol the stock market is their way of
trying to panic, you know, whatever it is that they
can latch onto and and push hard. That's what they're
going to do at this point. So I just think,
(32:22):
you know, we're not going to fall for it. I
don't I can't see the future, and I haven't talked
to the president about this, so he's the only one
that really matters. But I don't see that at all.
I think Pete's guy. The stuff that they're talking about,
none of that rises to the level, first of all,
is it true? And second of all, I don't think
any of it rises to the level where you would
expect that Trump would would fire. We'll talk a bit
more about that. One thing I did want to say, Clay,
(32:43):
is you know, did we discuss a little bit of
like the multi generational household on the on the Do
we talk about this on the show or did I
mean for us to talk about this about how grand
how good it is for grandparents to be, and we didn't.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Talk about it on the air. I saw you tweet
about it.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I think, okay, that's sometimes I forget if we talked
about her, if I tweeted about it. I think that
this is something that we should see more and more of.
You know, you have already there's a trend of grandparents
getting involved with the with kids, like with their grandchildren,
trying to just help help, you know, pitch in in
whatever ways they can, well, you know, babysitting, yes, but
(33:20):
being involved in their lives like picking them up from
soccer practice doing uh.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
You know. I've had my mother in law.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Here for the last week and let me tell you,
she's planning to leave in a few days.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
And I'm like, are you sure you want to go?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
You know, all these mother in law jokes nonsense, and
especially I mean my my especially don when you have
a brand new baby and grandma is great at helping
with the brand new My in laws are fantastic people
and I feel very blessed, and it's they have a
great family, so yes, that of course is part one
of this, but part two is man having having uh,
(33:51):
having the grandma here to help out, you know, having
her and you know my mom is going to be
coming down soon too.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
It's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
And the knowledge and the experience they have in the
child raising and child rearing part of it. You know,
my mom raised four kids, Carrie's mom raised four kids,
and it's just it's like bringing Obi wan Kenobi down
to help you with the lightsaber, like this is awesome.
So I just think because I was reading an article
and that's what I was a friendly with Clay, you know,
for I know a lot of you listening are grandparents.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Man.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I just think America, we're you know, we're talking about
encouraging more babies. Yes, that's good policy wise, but also
grandparents are a form of parent within the family of
the new kids, like they should be engaged to the
greeds possible. I know some people live far away, and
I know there's logistics challenges for some families, but to
whatever degree, you know, FaceTime, I mean, there's so many
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things you can do now to really be involved.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
And I just I see it.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
My mom is really helping with my nephew in New
York a lot. I just think this makes a lot
of other countries this is how it is. Yeah, the
grandparents don't just go to play golf for the retirement
home or something. They're they're involved in the family.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I feel very fortunate that my parents will live about
a half mile from us, and that my kids have
been able to be around them a great deal over
the last decade. And I feel great about my wife's
side of the family. How fortunate we were there. Also,
I do wonder about this a little bit, and I
think this is one of the challenges of having kids
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later in age. A lot of times. Now, let's say
you're average. I was reading Bucky. You know, the average
man doesn't get married until he's in his thirties now,
which is pretty transformative difference. And even the average woman,
I think is twenty nine now. So if you're married
and you have kids, the earliest someone can now, you know,
on average be having kids for a woman for instance,
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or early thirties. If your parents had kids in their
thirties and you wait to have kids until you're in
your thirties, you're talking about grandparents, first time grandparents sometimes
being in their seventies, and that becomes more challenging because
one of the difficulties of having kids later in life
is your grandkids are going to You're gonna be a
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lot older when they're born compared to historical averages.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Well, this is why I'm on the regimen, because you know,
I'll probably be an older grandparent. And I'll just say,
people now and you listening to this, know this what
people can do and their physicality commonly now into their
seventies and eighties is much more like what our parents
generation was doing in their fifties and sixties.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Right, there's been a decade a lot better health in Yeah,
it's a lot better health.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
And I do think it's wildly important, and it's one
of the things, like the multi generational household aspect, the
one thing that I think the rest of the world
gets right because it allows your entire family to be
raising kids as opposed to just mom and dad or
even just a single parent. Will break down some of this,
give you the latest on the Hegset drama and more
Third Hour coming up next.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Thanks for hanging with us.
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. Hope all of
you had fabulous Easter weekends and had a lot of
great time to spend with your families, and we are
back here with you breaking down everything that has happened
over the course of the weekend. First big news, as
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we started the show with this, the Pope has passed
at the age of eighty eight. They already have sent
notice that they will be having a conclave to select
a new pope, and that is certainly a major international
story as a new pope is sought, and we will
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see exactly how that comes down. In the early parts
of the show. The White House has been hosting the
annual Easter egg role and President Trump and Milania have
been meeting with so many young kids that are involved
in that great festive occasion, and I had I think
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producer Greg has has got some of this lined up.
That is the difference between the last Easter when Joe
Biden basically I guess that was a couple of years
ago when the Easter Bunny had to come save President
Biden who was answering questions, and it was clear he
(01:27):
didn't know what he was talking about. This is a flashback.
This was in April of twenty twenty two. This is
one of the moments, I think, when it became increasingly
difficult for anyone to argue that Joe Biden was still
in control of his full faculties. This is the Easter
Bunny coming to grab. Do you remember a throwback here?
(01:47):
Twenty twenty two, the Easter Bunny has to rescue Biden
from the press's canast. Okay, it's a little bit hard
to hear, but that is the Easter Bunny. You probably
saw that video that went viral back then of the
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Easter Bunny having to rescue Biden from making no sense
while talking to the press. Here is Trump referencing that.
Remember when the Bunny took Joe Biden out, he says
he's not taking Trump out cut twenty five.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Do you remember the Bunny with Joe Biden?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Remember do you remember when the when.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
The Bunny took Joe Biden out back, He's not gonna
take He's not taking Trump out anyway.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
That was a good That was.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
A beautiful moment when the Bunny saved Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
The Bunny saved Joe Biden. Lots of reaction pouring in
from the first hour. We got a VIP email from
Bill said he loved the opening of the show and
he said, I think Buck should be Pope. Well, that
would be certainly a major plot twist. I don't think
the pope can be married. As a general rule, pope
at least is not supposed to have children. Although we
(03:01):
were talking about off air when I went, I'd never
really paid that much attention to the history of all
of the popes. Man, you want to talk about crazy stories,
go back and read some of the histories of the popes.
I mean, some of those guys had like Elon musk
Ish numbers of children, certainly in contravention of some of
(03:24):
them were married. There were a lot of sordid, crazy,
wild stories back in the day about the popes, much
more so than the modern era.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I'm sure you've seen some of those.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
But I would encourage anybody out there if you get
the opportunity on the bucket list, even if you're not Catholic,
the opportunity to visit Vatican City is one of the
most I would say edifying and truly enjoyable moments and
locations anywhere in the world to be able to experience some.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Of those popes that had more colorful backgrounds really paid
for some really nice artwork too, So there's that.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, if you liked.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Assistine Chapel, I mean some of the stuff that they
got done, you know, they were they were they were
getting it done. In other ways, they weren't, they weren't
living in the model of Christ, but they were paying
for some fancy sculptures.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The it's funny that you mentioned the the all of
the different churches and cathedrals and everything else. My youngest
buck when we went to uh, when we went to Italy,
I guess he was maybe seven.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
We went in so many different old churches and everything else,
cathedrals and and near the end of the trip he
just said, I can't you can imagine a seven year
old having to go into so many different old churches.
And his brothers were a little bit better, they were
a little bit older, and they've got a history. Nerd
dad who just can't see, like, I love all of it, right,
(04:54):
I'm just kind of overwhelmed by the majesty of so
many of these old cathedrals and churches all over in
Rome and Italy in general, and I just remember he
just kind of threw a little bit of a seven
year old fit, like I can't see any more churches
any more cathedrals, you know, And I just I'll remember
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that for the rest of my life that he just
my youngest was just like I can't do this anymore.
Dav That is not necessarily the ideal place to take
seven year old, but I do think as it gets older,
he's going to really enjoy it a lot. We've been
talking also about the latest Supreme Court battle as Trump
is trying to expansively create a new foundation that would
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allow him to deport from inside of the country. And
this is so important. We're not talking about a deportation
being somebody not being allowed into the country. We're talking
about someone being taken out of the country. And the
pace would suggest that only about three hundred thousand a
year are even possible, which means it would take somewhere
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around thirty years merely to take all of the people
that Joe Biden let in back out of the country.
And a lot of people want to weigh in on this,
and so let's take some of the calls out there.
Eight hundred and two two two eight A two Scott
in Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
What you got for us?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Just got a couple of questions here. The president has
pretty broad pardoning powers to the point where Biden was
able to pardon people that weren't even charged with anything. Yet,
why can't Trump or the Trump administration keep doing what
they're doing? And if there's any issues, pardon neither himself
or anybody else that's charged with anything regarding these mass deportations.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Oh man, So this is a really interesting question. This
is like a law exam question. He's right that the
scope of the pardons that Biden put in place were
for any crime that had been committed basically over the
last decade. And if the president has the absolce power,
he could theoretically and this turns into actually a constitutional crisis,
(07:05):
which is the reason why I would not advise it.
He could theoretically defy the ruling of the Supreme Court,
and if someone tried to prosecute him or anyone else
for defying the ruling of the Supreme Court, he could
give them absolute and complete pardons, and therefore there would
be no consequences for then defying the ruling of the
(07:26):
Supreme Court. That would be a means of trying to
hack the system from within. But I will say what
the whole immigration system has shown us up to this
point is that they found that asylum was essentially a
hack for open borders. Yeah, and it was used in
bad faith and Democrats allowed this, and they knew it
(07:47):
and they didn't care. So desperate times call for desperate measures.
There may be I'm not I don't think Trump's going
to go the route that our caller raises, but I
do think that you're getting closer to a point at
which the president may just say, you don't have the
right to review this. This is presidential prerogative. And how
many divisions do you have, Supreme Court. I think that
(08:08):
that may happen at some point here. I also think
the big issue, and we're trying to hammer this because
I do think it's important for you all to conceptually get,
is Joe Biden effectively said I am going to allow
ten million plus illegals into the country. And he did that,
(08:28):
as Buck said, by manipulating the law to basically make
all ten million of those people say, oh, I live
in fear of going back to my country. I would
point this out buck in Europe, the people who have
used the fear of going back to their country, as
soon as they get citizenship, they immediately take trips back
to their country, right, and then they try to sponsor
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the rest of their family in too. This is a
whole part of the asylum process that people don't discuss
enough is that if you are able to gain the
system and stay here and get legal status, then you
become the anchor for Well, now I have to bring
my whole family here. I had a fear of whatever
in my country, and now my whole you know, ten
of my relatives have to come as well.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
And this is what ends up happening.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
But if you truly had that fear, you would ever
go back. There are some people who are in danger
of authorities. Those people would never go back to their country, right,
because you would actually fear for your life. Well, these
guys overwhelmingly say I fear, and then as soon as
they get citizenship they start going multiple times a year
back to the country they supposedly were fearful s. Also,
(09:33):
this is where you get to faithless execution of the law,
and then you need to have people who are faithfully
executing the law as we understand it, as Americans or else,
the whole system collapses on itself and we don't have
rule of law.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That is what they did on immigration. They knew we
were being scammed, they knew that people were lying, they
knew this was the system, and they just acted like, sorry,
nothing we can do.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
No.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
There were plenty of things they could have done. They
could have turned them away at the border and say
you're not passing the credible fear test, because reading off
of a sheet of paper that says I have a
fear from my home country of the following doesn't make
me think that you actually have any fear whatsoever. There
were a lot of things that they could have done,
and a lot of means that they could have used,
but they chose not to do it. I mean, which
meant that they chose to leave the border wide open
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and let all these people come into the country. And
I think that we're still dealing now with the both
the outrage and the realization of how extensive that process was.
You know, it is the It is in fact the
case that if you had a bunch of you know, clay,
you could have law enforcement in an area just say, look,
we don't have the resources. Sorry, home invasions are illegal
(10:39):
where we are, or you know, burglaries and home invasions
are illegal, we just don't have the resources to devote
to it right now. So we're not going to be
responding to those calls there. I mean, legally, technically they
could do that. And now you'd say, well, of course,
but the sheriff would be fired and okay, yeah, but
they could theoretically just pretend like they're that incompetent, in
(11:00):
that insane and there's not really a lot that in
a certain community you'd.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Be left with.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
This is what I mean, my faithless execution. If the
people that are in charge of actually enforcing the law
say we're not going to do it, well you got
a big problem on your hands. It's exactly what Biden
did with the legal immigration. They had this issue, I
believe in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I think it's better now, but there was something like
an hour and a half average time between when you
would call police saying hey, we need police and when
they would actually show up. Think about that for a
minute in your neighborhoods, in the event that you ever
needed police. To have that long is pretty disastrous. Greg
(11:40):
and Huntington, West Virginia. You're asking a question because we're
trying to find Hey, what is a solution here? Trump
is pushing the presidential powers. I guess he just dropped,
but he was going to ask whether or not there
was an ability for the House and the Senate, since
they're controlled by the Republican party, to pass a law
that would allow this to occur. I think it's a
(12:04):
great question. What I said earlier, and I think it's unfortunate.
Is I think that the Democrats are so committed to
a legal immigration occurring that they would fill a buster
in the Senate to stop any bill that would codify
the president's right to deport illegals at a more rapid fashion.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I think that's how.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
They're committed to it, and this is what we said
would happen. Trump can have the goal, but Democrats are
looking at it and saying, hey, we're going to take
back the House soon. All we have to do is
slow his progress here, and eventually we're going to have
another Democrat president and we're just going to wide open
the southern border again and time. If they can delay
this is on their side insofar as the longer these
(12:47):
people stay in the country. The more they will have
connections to this country, the harder it will be. It's
harder to report somebody in five years than it is
in year one. It's a lot harder to report somebody
in year fifteen or twenty, politically, legally and otherwise. And
they think that eventually the weight I think of the
illegals in this country will be so overwhelming, there'll be
(13:07):
so many tens of millions that there'll just be a
a move toward an amnesty. And I know that sounds
crazy right now. Reagan signed an amnesty. It was a
terrible idea. He was wrong, and now California is a
left wing hell hole. So you know that's what ends.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I know it's beautiful and nice, but you know what
I mean, Politically, California has been turned crazy, and the
amnesty was a huge.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Part of it, huge part of it. This all ties
in with birth right citizenship too. I'm sorry, but no
mom who has an American citizen child, by and large,
is going to get deported. That's the reality. This is
why birthright citizenship in conjunction with an open border creates
what you're saying, Buck, and I think is so important
(13:52):
running issues because if you're in this country illegally for
five years or ten years, you start to live your
normal life here. And if you have children, and your
children are American citizens, and basically they are your gold card,
because it comes very difficult to deport a mom that
has American children.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
We can't agree with the Democrats on core issues, either
of Americanism or what makes you an American. I don't
think right now, if they tried to pass a English
as the national language of the United States, they come
Democrats wouldn't go for it.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
If you ask a Democrat what is an American? Really
interesting question, I think they have effectively no answer for
you whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
These days.
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Speaker 3 (16:19):
I just want to note.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Silence really over the weekend from the Sunday shows and
everywhere else in the media about possibility that ag Letitia
James of New York State could be criminally prosecuted. Here
Dan Abrams, who's a media guy, lawyer, legal analyst, he
pointed out that they really don't seem to care about
this play nine.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
When I first heard that the Attorney General had been
referred there was a criminal referral made by the Director
of Federal Housing and Finance Agency. My initial response was,
Oh boy, here we go. Trump is just weaponizing the
(17:02):
departments and in this case making a reference to the
DOJ and I'm sure this is all nonsense.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
And then I actually read what they were alleging.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
This is real, This is serious, and I think this
could mean big trouble for the attorney I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, look's the care of the media.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
He's right, he's right.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
They put out the APB of we're not going to
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hanging out with us. I do think it's worth mentioning
on all this Abraio Garcia craziness. Taxpayers are funding all
of these trips to El Salvador. You and me and
everybody out there who actually pays taxes, which is only
(19:17):
about half the American population. Don't even be started on that.
Do you know, Buck, that forty percent of all US
income taxes are paid by the top.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
One percent of earners.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I do know that no one ever pushes back on
this and says, okay, what should what should the fair
share of the one percent be? Only half of us
even pay federal income taxes, but forty percent of all
federal income taxes are actually paid by the top one percent?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
What should they pay?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I never hear in argument everybody's like, oh, pay your
fair share all this stuff. It's very rarely discussed how
disproportional the amount of taxes paid actually are. In other words,
if you are paying a single dollar in US federal
income taxes, you are a part of only half of Americans.
(20:10):
It's actually a little bit less than half of Americans,
I think, most recently, that are actually funding all of this.
But the fact that he got paid by taxpayer dollars. Now,
there are four more Congress people in the air right
now on their way to El Salvador. I believe they
have just landed, also paid for by taxpayer dollars. I
(20:34):
can't imagine that there is any way that this is
resonating with average Americans out there that they feel like
five different elected representatives from the Senate and the House
should be going to El Salvador to check on a
wife beating human trafficker. I think it's a clear political
loser for them, and it's one of these moments where
(20:56):
you have to remember Trump's for politics are truly exceptional.
I think he recognizes that part of it. But I'm
actually wondering right now. Let's say I just want to
play this out a little.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Bit, Clay.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Let's say that we were to have a Trump administration
that finally came together. You know what, fine, fine, fine,
Senator so and so and Congresswoman so and so. You
know what, We'll give this guy more due process. So
they're going to then ask the president of El Salvador
to take an El Salvador in national right. No one
(21:36):
disagrees that's It's not like this guy's claim is that
he's actually an American. If you were actually an American,
I would have a problem with this. Okay, he's not
an American citizen. He's someone else's problem. But no one
even claims that. He doesn't claim it. Nobody does. They
just say he's an illegal who should have gotten more
due process. By what mechanism do they take this foreign national,
(21:59):
bring him into the United States, to give him a
tribunal or a a you know, in front of a judge.
I don't even know what this would be, so that
they can say, Okay, now you're here, you're not an American,
you're an illegal, and you have a deportation order. Now
you go back to El Salvador. I really mean this, like,
(22:21):
what what is the game plan here from the people
that are so upset at Trump? We're going to take
a foreign national, bring him, fly him back to America
for this specific in custody.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I suppose correct.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
He's never going to be free at any process during
the course of this procedure.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
So bring him back to US soil to hold him
in custody, to then have him go before I guess
a third judge, because he's already gone in front of two
said he's an MS thirteen member, going for the third judge,
and and then what oh, they hope that that judge
decides that this guy should be able to stay. Like
they think about what that would actually look like for
(22:59):
the Democrats though, right? It imagine that just despite Trump,
they tell or you know, they get some left wing
immigration judge, some Trump aiding judge to say no, this
guy gets to stay. That would then prove to us
the Democrats are completely insane and don't want to deport anyone,
including MS thirteen gang members who aren't Americans.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yes, yes, I think it's all true. And that's why
I think the understanding this battle is so important. The
reason why the Trump team is fighting this battle is
if they're going to be able to deport millions of people,
which is their goal in this four years, they cannot
do it under existing policy and implementation of immigration.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Law because it just takes too long.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
And that is the gamble that the diabolical Democrats who
allowed the ten million illegals into the country took, they
basically think, and you laid it out.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I think it's true.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
The longer and illegal gets to stay in the country,
the harder it becomes to take them back again.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
You could have kids if.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
You're a If you're a woman and you enter this
country illegally and you have a kid on American soil,
I'm telling you, it is going to be virtually impossible
to get you deported.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
That's what I thought they would wait for. Buck.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I thought they would wait for a mom who is
actually a very compelling front facing figure, and that person
gets deported and they say, oh, my goodness, she has
American citizen children. I thought that's what they would wait for.
I think they have chosen poorly in the front facing
member that they have decided to put here. But I
(24:44):
also think it's important that can I wait wait? Can
I just want one one reason about that?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Because I thought too they'd wait for like the abuela
who you know, was like cleaning cleaning a hotel or
houses for thirty years, and she got caught up in
some Allen was being removed. The issue with that, though,
is because of the prioritization that Tom Homan and DHS
are engaged in. They're not going to get to those people,
(25:09):
maybe ever, but they're not going to get to them
for quite a long time. People who have been here
a long time, who aren't a public safety threat, et cetera.
So they had to just lean into this of like,
what do you mean you don't want the trend to
Aragua hit man to still be here? Like how dare you, sir?
He has rights. They've decided that they have to speed
it up with the attacks on Trump.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Here is Glenn Ivy on MSNBC. What they're trying to
say is, first of all, I think a lot of people,
because they're poorly informed, don't even understand that this guy's
an illegal immigrant. Did you see Bill Maher, who should
be really super well informed, did not seem aware that
this guy was an illegal immigrant. That's why they're calling
him a Maryland man. And they're trying to make people fearful. Oh,
(25:54):
if they can do this to him, they'll do it
to you too. This is the this is the foundation
of the thing. He's not an American, he's not supposed
to be here, and all the stuff that has gone
on up to this point are just failures and scams
within our immigration system to prevent him from being deported
(26:15):
in an expeditious fashion. That's the whole Everything else is noise, right,
he does not have the legal, lawful right to be
in America. All the delays and all the other stuff,
this is just processed nonsense. And here is Simone Sanders
and Glenn Ivy saying on MSNBC, this is where they
really want to take the argument. If they can take
(26:37):
this guy, you're next slippery slope, very alive and well
cut twenty. If they could do it to them, if
they could snatch students off the street without any pushback
or recourse, they.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Will do it to any of us. It's to be
very clear, it's gonna be.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
The people of color and vulnerable communities that are next.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Still on, I think that's right, and that's certainly part
of why the African American community is so strongly behind
the supporting kill MA. Yeah, because, as you just said,
if they're gonna wisk them away, what are they gonna
do with us?
Speaker 3 (27:06):
This is so ludicrous.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
There is no black person in America who is a
citizen of the United States that is going to be
whisked away and put into an l Salvadorian prison. And
anybody arguing, by the way, black, Asian, Hispanic, white, if
you are an American citizen, this cannot happen to you.
This is there is a zero percent chance it would
(27:31):
be a flagrant constitutional violation. This is for illegal immigrants,
and right now, Buck, it's for illegal immigrants that the
Trump team believes are actually engaged in violent, predatory, gangland behavior,
the likes of which has been taking American lives. The
(27:52):
idea that that would be the argument is just so
fundamentally dishonest, even for them.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Obama the great savior of the left, favorite president. I
think Obama's the favorite Democrat president in all history. For
certainly Democrats alive today, I think he's their number one.
Obama ordered drone strikes that killed American citizens, just just
to be clear everybody, and in one case intentionally. Now
(28:18):
they were abroad, but they were US citizens. They had
no trial, There was no trial, there was no due
process there. The process was the President said that guy's
a threat, blow them up. Does that ever, you know,
you'd never hear this tough. Where were all the people
laying down in traffic and all upset about that one?
Where were the due process rights for Admiral Alacki and
(28:40):
his son.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
They didn't care. They didn't care. So just based on
executive authority.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So based on executive authority, you can kill an American citizen,
but you can't actually deport a non citizen to his
country of origin as the president.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Think about that.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
American president, if he's a Democrat, can blow up an
American abroad, hopefully not in like you know, Texas, but
can blow up an American abroad, but the US president
cannot send a foreign national to his country of origin.
That's the system we have.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
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Speaker 1 (29:08):
The other thing they're saying is that America is responsible
for him being in prison. El Salvador believes this guy
is dangerous, which is why he's in prison in their
home country. And you know who has made El Salvador
one of the safest countries in the entire Western hemisphere, Bukayley.
Do you know how he's done it? Radical idea buck
(29:30):
put bad guys behind bars and keep them there. It's
why he's wildly popular because you can argue, and I
think it's probably true number one thing that a government
really should do help make it citizens safer.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
It's probably the.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Number one most important goal, make your citizens safe. Then
we want to educate, and we also ideally would like
to be able to put out fires. Sorry, Los Angeles,
he'd managed to elect people who aren't capable of doing that.
But making people safe is the utmost responsibility, and that's
what Bukeli's done a good job of, and that's what
Trump is trying to do with all the illegals that
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Speaker 3 (31:23):
Here we're seeing this reporting. It's from NPR.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
So, yeah, regime sponsored media that wouldn't be able to
survive on its own. And then they say, yes, we would.
It's such a small part of our budget. All right, Well,
then get why you need it? Get it up right. Yeah,
you can't have it both ways.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
NPR.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Oh, we're so profitable, we don't need that money. Good,
let's just stay with the taxpayers. They're saying that there's
a it's already in the works to replace hexeth. I
don't buy it, I said Carolin Leavitt already said fake news. Well,
we'll dive into this a little bit more. But this
is all part of what we were just talking about,
even with Abrego Garcia, Clay, which is they just have
to do opposition. So it doesn't you know, they Pete
(32:01):
is the guy they want to take out. Abrego Garcia
is there. Trump is a fascist. You know, we're heading
to authoritarianism. Symbol the stock market is their way of
trying to panic, you know, whatever it is that they
can latch onto and and push hard. That's what they're
going to do at this point. So I just think,
(32:22):
you know, we're not going to fall for it. I
don't I can't see the future, and I haven't talked
to the president about this, so he's the only one
that really matters. But I don't see that at all.
I think Pete's guy. The stuff that they're talking about,
none of that rises to the level, first of all,
is it true? And second of all, I don't think
any of it rises to the level where you would
expect that Trump would would fire. We'll talk a bit
more about that. One thing I did want to say, Clay,
(32:43):
is you know, did we discuss a little bit of
like the multi generational household on the on the Do
we talk about this on the show or did I
mean for us to talk about this about how grand
how good it is for grandparents to be, and we didn't.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Talk about it on the air. I saw you tweet
about it.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I think, okay, that's sometimes I forget if we talked
about her, if I tweeted about it. I think that
this is something that we should see more and more of.
You know, you have already there's a trend of grandparents
getting involved with the with kids, like with their grandchildren,
trying to just help help, you know, pitch in in
whatever ways they can, well, you know, babysitting, yes, but
(33:20):
being involved in their lives like picking them up from
soccer practice doing uh.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
You know. I've had my mother in law.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Here for the last week and let me tell you,
she's planning to leave in a few days.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
And I'm like, are you sure you want to go?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
You know, all these mother in law jokes nonsense, and
especially I mean my my especially don when you have
a brand new baby and grandma is great at helping
with the brand new My in laws are fantastic people
and I feel very blessed, and it's they have a
great family, so yes, that of course is part one
of this, but part two is man having having uh,
(33:51):
having the grandma here to help out, you know, having
her and you know my mom is going to be
coming down soon too.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
It's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
And the knowledge and the experience they have in the
child raising and child rearing part of it. You know,
my mom raised four kids, Carrie's mom raised four kids,
and it's just it's like bringing Obi wan Kenobi down
to help you with the lightsaber, like this is awesome.
So I just think because I was reading an article
and that's what I was a friendly with Clay, you know,
for I know a lot of you listening are grandparents.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Man.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I just think America, we're you know, we're talking about
encouraging more babies. Yes, that's good policy wise, but also
grandparents are a form of parent within the family of
the new kids, like they should be engaged to the
greeds possible. I know some people live far away, and
I know there's logistics challenges for some families, but to
whatever degree, you know, FaceTime, I mean, there's so many
(34:40):
things you can do now to really be involved.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
And I just I see it.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
My mom is really helping with my nephew in New
York a lot. I just think this makes a lot
of other countries this is how it is. Yeah, the
grandparents don't just go to play golf for the retirement
home or something. They're they're involved in the family.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I feel very fortunate that my parents will live about
a half mile from us, and that my kids have
been able to be around them a great deal over
the last decade. And I feel great about my wife's
side of the family. How fortunate we were there. Also,
I do wonder about this a little bit, and I
think this is one of the challenges of having kids
(35:17):
later in age. A lot of times. Now, let's say
you're average. I was reading Bucky. You know, the average
man doesn't get married until he's in his thirties now,
which is pretty transformative difference. And even the average woman,
I think is twenty nine now. So if you're married
and you have kids, the earliest someone can now, you know,
on average be having kids for a woman for instance,
(35:39):
or early thirties. If your parents had kids in their
thirties and you wait to have kids until you're in
your thirties, you're talking about grandparents, first time grandparents sometimes
being in their seventies, and that becomes more challenging because
one of the difficulties of having kids later in life
is your grandkids are going to You're gonna be a
(36:00):
lot older when they're born compared to historical averages.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Well, this is why I'm on the regimen, because you know,
I'll probably be an older grandparent. And I'll just say,
people now and you listening to this, know this what
people can do and their physicality commonly now into their
seventies and eighties is much more like what our parents
generation was doing in their fifties and sixties.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Right, there's been a decade a lot better health in Yeah,
it's a lot better health.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
And I do think it's wildly important, and it's one
of the things, like the multi generational household aspect, the
one thing that I think the rest of the world
gets right because it allows your entire family to be
raising kids as opposed to just mom and dad or
even just a single parent. Will break down some of this,
give you the latest on the Hegset drama and more
Third Hour coming up next.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Thanks for hanging with us.
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