March 18, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the hosts continue their engaging discussion on current events and political topics. They start by addressing listener feedback on the cost of eggs and the logistics of maintaining a chicken coop, sharing personal anecdotes and humorous insights. The conversation then shifts to President Trump's recent phone call with Vladimir Putin, emphasizing the potential for a ceasefire in Ukraine and the broader implications for U.S.-Russia relations. The hosts analyze the statement released by the White House, highlighting the importance of peace efforts and the potential economic benefits of ending the conflict. Additionally, Clay and Buck discuss the upcoming release of the JFK assassination files, with Buck expressing skepticism about any significant revelations. They provide a balanced perspective on the historical context and the reasons for the prolonged classification of these documents.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
through the Tuesday edition of the program. I'll have you
know that I am seeing all of your rooster related commentary.
As we have shared the cost of cost of eggs.
Carol wants me to know that she paid nine to
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ninety nine for a dozen at a store in Jacksonville,
Florida this morning. You're being gouged, Carol. The price is
down to three fifty five. You should have waited another week.
Gene wants me to know it's illegal to have roosters
in Davidson County. Don't know what county you're in. I'm
in Williamson County. I just went downstairs.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Buck. My wife was listening to the show.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
She said, she's done chicken cooper research, and it actually
is kind of expensive when you factor in all the
feed and all the roosters and all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Do you know about the actual canst tell you that
it's awesome that Laura has already done chicken coop research
though That's what I'm talking about. She is on the ball.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
She said the chickens are not cheap. The roosters are
not cheap. There's lots of organic feed cost roll then,
and that having your own eggs not easy. By the way,
I live in Williamson County. My wife tells me that
as long as you have an acre or more, she
really has done the research where we live for people
out there Franklin Brentwood, just south of Nashville, that you
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are allowed to have a chicken coop. Now, I am
not going to have a chicken coop, and I hope
that my neighbors where we are moving are not going to.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Have chicken coops.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Because when we lived in the US Virgin Islands, and
I was an attorney in the US Virgin Islands twenty
years ago before I have a law license there. I
have a law license in my home state of Tennessee,
everybody there had roosters and chickens, and those things wake
up so early in the morning. And if you live
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in a normal area where there's lots of houses around, everybody,
here's your rooster. And so I don't want anybody having
roosters really close to me, because it definitely unless you
have a lot of distance between you and your neighbors, everybody,
here's your rooster in the morning.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
You know that we could sell a version of your
life story of southern lawyer goes to Caribbean island to
practice law and has to deal with being woken up
by roosters in the morning. We could sell this like
Netflix or something. No problem. I mean, it sounds like
a sitcom that was on the CWA ten or fifteen
years ago. I still have my law license in the
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US Virgin Islands. I could decide if I wanted to
to just go back to being an island lawyer, which
definitely sounds like it would be a streaming service show.
Probably probably have to be a comedy, but it would
be a lot of fun. And it was not a
bad job to have be a Caribbean lawyer. I was
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at the biggest law firm in the Caribbean. I think
we had twelve attorneys. You can think about how like
the biggest law firm in the entire Caribbean, any country
was twelve attorneys. And so it was kind of a
unique experience. You know, people have been asking me, by
the way, to give them my assessment of this show.
The recruit about a new CIA guy recruited in and
(03:11):
I don't want I don't like to be I don't
like to be such a grouch, but it is just garbage.
It's just a really, really bad show. So I tried.
For those of you who've asked me, what is my assessment,
it is it makes no sense popular hype, I don't.
It's Netflix. So how do you know, right, people watch
it because it's on Netflix. Well, I like one of the.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Ten trending shows. I mean, those are legitimately if you
get top ten, everybody's watching those shit.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I think it probably has been at some point, but
Netflix has so much control over that. I think the
Tennessee Country Lawyer who goes to the Caribbean is a
much better premise for a show personally. So I might
have to write this. I'll bring you on as a consultant.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, well, I certainly can be an expert. There's probably
not that many people that are experts in that. We
got a bunch of stuff that's out there. I mentioned
that the Trump Zolensky, sorry, the Trump Putin call has ended.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I believe this would be the first call between anyone
in Russia, certainly Putin, and anyone in the United States
at a high level in what probably I mean did
Biden ever talk to Putin at all in his whole time.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I don't believe. I don't believe. So the team can
check us on this. I don't think that Biden and
Putin ever had direct high level talks about a ceasefire.
In fact, there's pretty credible reporting from early on, I
think June of twenty two that Biden, because of Boris
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Johnson at the time, shut down an early effort to
have a ceasefire negotiation. And I'm going into the memory
banks here, but I think that's right. I think that
that is totally because the belief was with all of
our munitions and all of our training and all of
our intel. I remember people saying that Ukraine's gonna win
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in this thing, and winning doesn't mean preventing Russia from
steamrolling the whole country. It means kicking the Russians out
of the territory that they had taken. And that was
fantasyland stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Well, lots of people also thought that Putin might get overthrown.
Remember that was kind of the fantasy land take on this.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Oh who you're gonna invade? That means that there's gonna
be Vindsey Graham said something insane at one point about Putin.
I don't remember what it was, you know, maybe the
zeiling is going to come down on Putin's head or something.
He said something crazy and I remember this, like, we
should take him. You know, I'll find it. But yes,
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there was that moment A couple of things that I
want to hit here.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
You have been just completely destroying the idea that there's
going to be anything in this. But there has been
a great deal of discussion about Trump releasing the remainder.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Of the JFK files. What did he say? Lindsey Graham
said on TV that we should take him out. We
should take Putin out. I remember that, now, Yeah, that's insane.
This was insane. He actually said that, So anyway I
remembered it, I'm like, oh my god, Lindsay Graham, you know,
never seen a war. He didn't want somebody else.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I think he said it on Fox News, didn't he
because it went megaviral beyond that, like, hey, we should
go ahead and kill Vladimir Putin.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
But there was someone in it. To be fair, it
was someone in Russia should take this guy out. But
imagine if Putin said somebody in America should take out
the US president. I mean, you know this is this
was reckless, stupid stuff. But anyway, sorry, it's gold files.
Let's well, it was going to be.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
The whole argument was, oh, this is somehow going to
blow up in Vladimir Putin's face. Oh he's going to
lose his power. That was sort of the fever dream
of many people out there early in this war.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That clearly is not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
As a result, we now have a conversation which is
making the idea of a ceasefire increasingly likely, and I
am optimistic that potentially in the next days or so
we might be able to get one. But yes, Trump
is going to release supposedly today, the remainder of the
JFK files.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
What I have seen is that there are eighty thousand
pages of these files that have not yet been public.
This is Trump announcing that he is going to release them.
This was yesterday afternoon at the Kennedy Center Cut sixteen.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
We are tomorrow announcing and giving all.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Of the Kennedy files. So people have been waiting for
decades for this, and I've instructed my people that are responsible,
Lots of different people put together by Telsea Gabbert and
that's going to be released tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Okay, Buck, go ahead and ruin everybody's fever dreams out
there in the conspiracy universe. It will there be anything newsworthy,
noteworthy of any kind of significant detail that comes out
in these documents. In your opinion, it is my astute
assessment that these documents will come out and that it
(08:14):
will be a nothing burger with cheese and those gross
pickles that they put on burger, sometimes the little like
slivers of pickles. I don't want pickles on my burger.
I don't know why anybody wants pickles on their burger.
It will be that it'll be the worst kind of
nothing burger, if that is my belief. If I am wrong,
perhaps I'll have to eat a burger with these pickles
on it as my way of eating humble pie. I
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think that it's very unlikely that anything. This is what
I always tell people.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
If it was really good, we would either already know
because it would have leaked, or somebody would have talked
about it, or it would already have been so destroyed
and buried that it's not like you can just open
the files and it's in there. Right. This is what
I tell people about Epstein stuff too. It's not that
I don't think I know there was a huge Epstein
can I know there was a lot of stuff going
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on there that we haven't still been told about or
been able to prove in public. But a lot of
the stuff has been destroyed. That's the whole point, right,
It's you know, they're not leaving the evidence out there, like, hey,
here's the huge conspiracy that goes to the top of
the power structure of like the global elites. They're not
going to keep that stuff on the shelf. They don't
have it marked with a little highlighter. So I think
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it's very unlie. Well then, but now here's the think
like people are gonna say, oh, but this gives us
so much more context. And you know, the people that
are obsessed with the JFK stuff, they'll find things in
this to say, oh, that's we know so much more now.
But is there going to be a bombshell? No bombshell? Well,
I mean, CIA didn't kill Kennedy, is what you're not
going to mean. That's the thing. The CIA didn't actually
kill Kennedy, believe it or not. There's also as.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
The CIA guy oh oh oh, it's exactly what you
would say. Also, there's not going to be a written
confession from j Edgar Hoover saying, hey, it was me,
I ordered the entire thing. Uh okay, why would this
stuff have maimed classified until now?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
That's always accept your argument. I mean a very good question.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Why why would Because to me, as just a normal
guy out there, my thought whenever things are classified is
they're trying to hide something. So it's been sixty two
years or whatever the math is on this, why not
just have it public.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Clay a friend of mine who you know, who wrote
a book on World War two naval warfare. If the
CIA wanted to make sure if there's anything that is
OSS related, it could still have class So you can't
write about the OSS unless you're gonna go through the
review eight years later. Yeah, I mean we're gonna be
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on one hundred years before you know it, and there's
still classified stuff about the OSS. There's still classified stuff
about the Korean War. I mean there's classified You sit there,
you go, I'm pretty sure all the informants are dead.
If they're not, we definitely need to know about them
because I want to drink whatever they're drinking. So you know,
this is a part of it is just government bureaucracy.
(11:07):
I think a part of it also is they don't
you know that they want to there's some things where
they want to avoid embarrassment. But yeah, the thing is
that there's anything redacted in these files, well then that's
just going to make the conspiracy folks get even more
fire and understandably so I would agree with them. If
there's anything that's still redacted, you'd say, well, this is
really funky. But yeah, I think it's the government likes
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to avoid embarrassment in different ways. When I say the government,
I mean agencies. When you think of these agencies like
their individual brands, they think of themselves like a company.
You know, people call the CIA the company, but they
think of themselves like, you know, they have a reputation.
So we'd say that government's really more the FBI, state
police agencies, et cetera, et cetera. So that's where I
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think you may find some interesting stuff, but nothing. I
promise you guys, there's not going to be some note
in there from like the I directed. It's like Jack
Ruby was our guy all along. That would be spectacular.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
But I do think a lot of people out I
mean meaning that we finally get some form of resolution.
The fact that all of this has remained classified for
so long, I think for regular people, and I would
put myself in the regular people category here makes us
feel like something is being hidden that otherwise should have
been out there. But the eighty thousand pages in theory
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are going to be released today, and.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I think it would be really interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I don't know, I don't have any My thing is,
why keep it classified for sixty some odd years if
there is nothing of any substance at all that has
remained hidden. That's my biggest question about it.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
In general.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
It just doesn't add up that it would all be
totally boring if they have kept it covered up for
this long. So I hope there's some at least historical
record that comes out and is somewhat interesting or intriguing.
I hope that tomorrow or Thursday, after people have had
the opportunity to start to go through some of this,
(13:16):
that we could come on the show and say, oh,
this is intriguing, let's have a conversation about this.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
It's interesting to me as well that there have been
other assassinations and attempted assassinations of US presidents in the past,
and there's just this there's an acceptance like it was
some crazy person. Yeah it was, you know, it was
some job seeker. In one game, it was some anarchist.
But in this case with Kennedy, and I think it's
in part because of the Oliver Stone movie and it
just has turned into this like Hollywood cause and or
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you know, Hollywood fascination, and I just think, you know,
come on, it's never as interesting as we want it
to be.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Look, we dodged, legitimately basically one of the biggest bullets
in American political history on July thirteenth and Butler pencil.
Everyone living today would die with the majority of Americans
for the next fifty sixty eighty hundred years refusing to
believe that that.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Lunatic was a loan gunman.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
And by the way, we still don't know anything about
that guy. You know, it's kind of crazy that he
came within a quarter inch of blowing the president's head
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Speaker 2 (16:28):
The president is amazing. He's doing great things all around. Clay,
I didn't know it was possible for me to think
that Trump was doing a better job or was more
brilliant than he is. But then he comes out and
blows away all expectations by letting it be known that,
like me, he does not like Hamilton. This is seventeen.
He does not like the Broadway play Hamilton very much.
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Play seventeen.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I'd say, come here and see a show I was
never a big fan of.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I never liked.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Hamilton very much, and I.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Never liked it.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
But we are gonna have some really good shows. I
would say this, come here and watch it, and you'll
see over a period of time it'll improve very greatly physically,
and we're gonna get some very good shows. The thing
that does well a Broadway hits, and we have some
beauty I guess we have Name Is Coming, and we
have some others. But the Broadway hits have done very well.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
So I'm gonna spend some time. We have a good board.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
In the meantime, we're running the country, and we're running
it well.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
All right. That was Trump at the Kennedy Center at Claire.
I didn't know he could be more amazing, But like me,
he realizes Hamilton is trash.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I will say this is a shot from Trump because
he actually likes musicals.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
He really likes Late Miz.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
He likes Phantom of the Opera like this, isn't just
me pointing out the truth, which is all musicals are
overrated and awful, and most men who go to them
are only going so their wives their girlfriends will sleep
with them, which is the truth.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
But Trump really likes them.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
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Speaker 1 (18:58):
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Speaker 2 (19:02):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
A report on what Trump and Putin spoke about.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Is now out.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'm reading this from Caroline Levitt, who posted this on
social media. Today, President Trump and President Putin spoke about
the need for peace and a ceasefire in the Ukraine War.
Both leaders agreed this conflict needs to end with a
lasting peace. They also stress the need for improved bilateral
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relations between the United States and Russia. The blood and
treasure that both Ukraine and Russia have been spending in
this war would be better spent on the needs of
their people. Conflict should have never started and should have
ended long ago with sincere and good faith piece efforts. Again,
I'm reading from the statement. The leaders agreed the movement
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to peace will begin with an energy and infrastructure cease fire,
as well as technical negotiations on implementation of a maritime
ceasefire in the Black Sea, full cease fire and permanent peace.
These negotiations will begin immediately. In the Middle East, the
leader spoke broadly about the Middle East as a region
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of potential cooperation to prevent future conflict. They further discussed
the need to stop proliferation of strategic weapons and will
engage with others to ensure the broadest possible application. The
two leaders shared the view Iran should never be in
a position to destroy Israel, and the two leaders agreed
a future with an improved bilateral relationship between the US
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and Russia has huge upside, including enormous economic deals and
geopolitical stability when peace has been achieved. That is the
statement that was just released on the call between Putin
and Trump. Cleaning up a little bit earlier, we were
talking about when was the last time Biden talked Biden
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had not spoken into Putin since the invasion of Ukraine.
He did speak to him in twenty twenty one. Just
to FYI we were asking, I was whether they had
spoken while Biden was in office.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It happened in twenty twenty one. Buck.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I think all of that is moving in a very
favorable direction. I guess the question out here, and again
that is a statement we just released that was just
released by the White House.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
If Trump is able to actually.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Get peace in Ukraine, wouldn't he deserve the Nobel Peace Prize?
Like in an honest, legitimate world. Wouldn't this be the
very definition of what a mediator and or leader who
was not directly involved in the conflict should receive for
ending a conflict of this significance.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yes, of course, But the Nobel Peace Prize has gone
to Barack Obama for doing nothing. I think Yaser Erafat
got it at one point. You look at the people
who have gotten the Nobel Peace and it has unfortunately
become a bit of a bit of a political joke
in a lot of ways. So I know your your
point is well taken, which is that this would be
a momentous, momentous diplomatic win and not just a win
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for humanity. I mean truly when you I don't know
how many of you have watched, there's a lot of
video out there about what's going on on the Ukraine
Russia front and what these soldiers are going through. It
is trench warfare. They have drones that are flying in
at them and blowing people up. Every day, They've got
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artillery rounds blowing up all around. I mean, it's you've
got guys that are storming trenches and you know, machine
gunning each other at close range. Like it's horrible stuff
that's happening day in and day out over there. And
bringing this to an end, it would be such a win.
And it's very frustrating, is even the right word. It's
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it's grotesque when you see these people that are saying,
but Trump is just throwing in the towel, what do
these people think is going to happen? You know, at
some point it feels like the Slava Ukrainian people really
just feel like if they string this thing out long enough,
maybe we'll have American sent over there to do the
fighting for them, which is an absolute red line for you,
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for me, and I know for everybody listening. I mean,
that's just completely beyond the pale. We should not lose
a single American life, a single American finger fighting over
who's in control of the eastern portion of Ukraine. And
in the meantime, there's nothing to be gained in the
long run for Ukraine continuing to fight and lose its
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entire able bodied male population, when there's the possibility that
you could still have a country that is functioning, a
country that has a homeland for the Ukrainian people, and
wouldn't be in the midst of a horrible and bloody war.
Like I said, Clay, it used to be that the
Democrats were supposedly the peace party. They were really the
under America during time of war party. That's actually more accurate.
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But they would at least go through the motions of
pretending that they didn't want, you know, don't go after
Saddam in the first war, don't go after Saddam in
the second ward. Don't you know. They were the ones
that were saying, we and maybe they're right about the
second one, but we shouldn't be fighting these wars, except
when it comes to wars like this where there's some
humanitarian interest and no real American interest at stake. So
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I think that if Trump was able to pull this off,
it's a huge win all around. And again it brings
us back to yes, Trump out there negotiating to end
wars and stop bloodshed, just like Hitler would have done.
I would also point out if we could get a ceasefire,
the price of gas would drop immediately in a significant fashion.
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Of the Trump sees that he knows all this stuff
with Russia has hurt us economically, probably in the West,
more than it's her Russia. Russia doesn't really care.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
And even the opening back up of the Black Sea
would dramatically decrease prices for a variety of goods, including
is am. I correct that Ukraine is one of the
largest wheat producing countries in the world, and that you know,
you know, the amount of goods that the grain is
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used to produce has also driven up the cost. And
I've been told that because of the shipping cost associated
with the dangers of the Black Sea. The other thing
is Trump has attacked the huties in the Red Sea area,
right that is also driven up the cost of goods
being shipped around the world. So while there is a
(25:45):
great focus on tariffs and what the impact of the
cost of goods could be for tariffs, I think in
Trump's internal calculation, he is seeing the ending of the
wars to the extent that we can keep them ended.
And I know they reignited right now in the Middle East,
but if you could end the war in Ukraine this summer,
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I think you would see a massive deflationary movement on
a variety of the price of goods, in particular oil
and gas.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
You know, there is there is a historical mirror image
here perhaps, or there's echoes of when Reagan came into office.
Vulkar had to tighten things, tighten things at a level
that way beyond what we've seen so far in terms
of how high rates had to go. And yeah, I
mean there was essentially a recession. Reagan more or less
(26:39):
inherited that recession. But you had to you had to
get the you know, you had to clear the system out,
you had to get things under control, and there was
a little bit of economic pain that the country had
to go through early on, and then twenty years of
boom and prosperity afterwards. Right, So, if this is a
Reagan moment for Trump on the economy, and I think
(27:02):
there are a lot of reasons to believe that it
could be and that it will be. The historical analogy
here is very favorable. But it might take a year,
eighteen months something like that for things to really get
cooking the way they would like them to. You cannot
fix a problem that others refuse to fix. And expect
that there's not going to be some discomfort along the way,
(27:25):
because why wouldn't they fix it if that wasn't the case.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
This is, though, a very good sign. I think it's
hard to spin it as a bad sign. It'll be
interesting to see what the larger media ecosystem says about this. Remember,
Ukraine has effectively already agreed to a thirty day ceasefire,
and it sounds like Russia is willing to potentially get
(27:49):
involved as well.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Let's say, let's just go through a best case scenario
here for those of us who are adults, and then
I'll tell you what the Libs will say and how
they'll play this. Right, Let's assume that this sea fire
goes forward, and maybe it doesn't, and maybe, you know,
maybe Trump ends up having to drop the hammer on
Putin with a whole lot more economic warfare stuff. And
that's all possible. Okay, we don't know. We don't get
(28:11):
ahead of ourselves here, but if you're gonna wargain this
out a little bit, uh, Let's assume, Clay, that the
ceasefire goes forward and it is durable, and we go
into at every phase of the ceasefire, you know, you'll
be hearing from Democrats Putin got too much of what
he wanted, and he could break the ceasefire any moment.
Putin got too much of what he wanted, and he
(28:33):
could break the ceasefied any You're gonna hear that over
and over for months and months and months, so that
by the time it's clear that this conflict, if this happens,
this conflict actually has ceased to be the war, the
meat grinder of humanity that it has been. They're just
hoping to play this out so that nobody even realizes
(28:53):
that Trump is what. You know, if you extend this
out and complain about it the whole time, it denies him,
at some level, the victory, the political victory, at least
to some that he would be winning by ending this thing.
You see what I mean. They complain, They say, we
don't know yet, we don't know yet, and they keep
doing that until eventually when it's clear, oh no, Trump
actually pulled off something of a diplomatic miracle here, people
(29:16):
will have moved on to other things. I think that's
how they play it because they're never going to say, Wow,
he's a brilliant statesman and he saved thousands and thousands
of lives and had the economy boom because of it.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
It is a really good sign that they are talking.
I think again, we read you the read out on
the report. I am cautiously optimistic. I like to go
to look at polymarket. It has now buck the chances
of a ceasefire by May one at sixty percent. You know,
(29:49):
you can go take either side on this on this
prediction market, right It's why it's kind of interesting to
look at. But that is a small favorite that we
may have a ceasefire in Ukraine by May one. The
other reason the timing matters on this a lot, buck
and I do think it's worth, you know, reinforcing this
on a regular basis. Typically as it gets warm in Ukraine,
(30:12):
the armies are better able to move and the overall
fatality rates increase. It's still the midst of winter over
there right now.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
But moving the fighting series essentially the same thing was
true in Afghanistan when when the mountain passes melt down
and it's easier to you know, to move around, you
get more fighting and we're shooting. So hopefully if there.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Is a ceasefire, they could get a ceasefire in place
by the time it starts to warm up there, so
that we can limit the overall amount of death that
might be occurring. And again to your point, yes, very
hilarian of Trump to try to end the largest war
in Europe since World War Two. It's exactly what Hitler
(30:53):
would have done if he had been in a position
of prominence in America. And obviously we're ridiculing the absurdity
of that.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
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to watch the Happy to Go More trailer, but I will,
and I will give you my most salty and bitter
(33:36):
possible review of what I am certain to be one
of the worst sequels in the history of sequels. But
maybe I'm wrong. I have to see that. I have
to see the trailer first.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Well, I mean look Axel F which was the fourth
in the Beverly Hills universe.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Not bad.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Also the and I'm not saying that it was as
good as the originals, all right, because I get a
delusion with people on this too. Also didn't think Coming
to America Too was awful. Also watched that one. I
got ripped to shreds by Buck for saying I didn't
think Gladiator two was awful. I probably will like Happy
Gilmore too, and I think Buck will certainly dislike it.
(34:16):
By the way, a little bit of news. Caroline Levitt
just texted me so so I can. I can say it.
I'm gonna be on the road Saturday with President Trump
at the n C Double A Wrestling Championships in Philadelphia.
They have not yet announced that he is going to
(34:37):
be there. For those of you that are big n
C Double A wrestling fans, I know the n C
DOUBLEA Tournament is underway as well, but it should be
a really cool event. Our friend Jim Jordan is going
to be there, who wrestled in college coach as well
as Dave McCormick, a newly elected senator from Pennsylvania who
wrestled at West Point.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
So this is a big event. I've never you know,
what's a really good but haunting and disturbing movie, Fox Catcher.
I've never watched it, Steve Carrell. That is insane. You're
the sports guy and you've never watched Fox Catcher.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
You Steve Carrell did that like in the middle of
the office, didn't He like left and made that movie.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
It is a very He is freakishly good at doing
the weird DuPont air guy because I you know, I
know they not an heiress. I guess you're the air right. Yeah,
he is so good. You haven't seen that, Clay. You
have got to watch that movie. It is disturbing though. Yeah, no,
I need to check it out. By the way.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Caroline Lovitt also she is giving us access as part
of new media. She said that nobody else would have
ever let us travel for this buck. We're gonna be
doing cool things as a part of the new media
on this radio show. So our buddy Caroline Lovitt expanding
the access to the press corps and it's gonna be
(36:02):
super cool. So I'll be on Air Force one Friday
as soon as we finished the show, I'm gonna head
to Andrew's Air Force Base and we'll spend Friday, Saturday,
Sunday traveling with Trump, including at that NCAA wrestling match.
So should be really cool. I can't wait to get
on Air Force One. I've never been on Air Force
one obviously before. That's a pretty cool experience, so I
(36:25):
can't wait to be able to share that with all
of you on Monday after we spend the weekend.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
There.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Have you ever done collegiate style wrestling? No? Oh, I have.
We had to in my school. It was required of
everybody and so we I was head tossing people around
and have house. We did it from like fourth to
eighth grade. It was everybody had to do it. Everybody
had to do wow the cow and kids around.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I trained some with the wrestling team, never really threw
people around.
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
through the Tuesday edition of the program. I'll have you
know that I am seeing all of your rooster related commentary.
As we have shared the cost of cost of eggs.
Carol wants me to know that she paid nine to
(00:20):
ninety nine for a dozen at a store in Jacksonville,
Florida this morning. You're being gouged, Carol. The price is
down to three fifty five. You should have waited another week.
Gene wants me to know it's illegal to have roosters
in Davidson County. Don't know what county you're in. I'm
in Williamson County. I just went downstairs.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Buck. My wife was listening to the show.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
She said, she's done chicken cooper research, and it actually
is kind of expensive when you factor in all the
feed and all the roosters and all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Do you know about the actual canst tell you that
it's awesome that Laura has already done chicken coop research
though That's what I'm talking about. She is on the ball.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
She said the chickens are not cheap. The roosters are
not cheap. There's lots of organic feed cost roll then,
and that having your own eggs not easy. By the way,
I live in Williamson County. My wife tells me that
as long as you have an acre or more, she
really has done the research where we live for people
out there Franklin Brentwood, just south of Nashville, that you
(01:21):
are allowed to have a chicken coop. Now, I am
not going to have a chicken coop, and I hope
that my neighbors where we are moving are not going to.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Have chicken coops.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Because when we lived in the US Virgin Islands, and
I was an attorney in the US Virgin Islands twenty
years ago before I have a law license there. I
have a law license in my home state of Tennessee,
everybody there had roosters and chickens, and those things wake
up so early in the morning. And if you live
(01:51):
in a normal area where there's lots of houses around, everybody,
here's your rooster. And so I don't want anybody having
roosters really close to me, because it definitely unless you
have a lot of distance between you and your neighbors, everybody,
here's your rooster in the morning.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
You know that we could sell a version of your
life story of southern lawyer goes to Caribbean island to
practice law and has to deal with being woken up
by roosters in the morning. We could sell this like
Netflix or something. No problem. I mean, it sounds like
a sitcom that was on the CWA ten or fifteen
years ago. I still have my law license in the
(02:29):
US Virgin Islands. I could decide if I wanted to
to just go back to being an island lawyer, which
definitely sounds like it would be a streaming service show.
Probably probably have to be a comedy, but it would
be a lot of fun. And it was not a
bad job to have be a Caribbean lawyer. I was
(02:49):
at the biggest law firm in the Caribbean. I think
we had twelve attorneys. You can think about how like
the biggest law firm in the entire Caribbean, any country
was twelve attorneys. And so it was kind of a
unique experience. You know, people have been asking me, by
the way, to give them my assessment of this show.
The recruit about a new CIA guy recruited in and
(03:11):
I don't want I don't like to be I don't
like to be such a grouch, but it is just garbage.
It's just a really, really bad show. So I tried.
For those of you who've asked me, what is my assessment,
it is it makes no sense popular hype, I don't.
It's Netflix. So how do you know, right, people watch
it because it's on Netflix. Well, I like one of the.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Ten trending shows. I mean, those are legitimately if you
get top ten, everybody's watching those shit.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I think it probably has been at some point, but
Netflix has so much control over that. I think the
Tennessee Country Lawyer who goes to the Caribbean is a
much better premise for a show personally. So I might
have to write this. I'll bring you on as a consultant.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, well, I certainly can be an expert. There's probably
not that many people that are experts in that. We
got a bunch of stuff that's out there. I mentioned
that the Trump Zolensky, sorry, the Trump Putin call has ended.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I believe this would be the first call between anyone
in Russia, certainly Putin, and anyone in the United States
at a high level in what probably I mean did
Biden ever talk to Putin at all in his whole time.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I don't believe. I don't believe. So the team can
check us on this. I don't think that Biden and
Putin ever had direct high level talks about a ceasefire.
In fact, there's pretty credible reporting from early on, I
think June of twenty two that Biden, because of Boris
(04:39):
Johnson at the time, shut down an early effort to
have a ceasefire negotiation. And I'm going into the memory
banks here, but I think that's right. I think that
that is totally because the belief was with all of
our munitions and all of our training and all of
our intel. I remember people saying that Ukraine's gonna win
(05:00):
in this thing, and winning doesn't mean preventing Russia from
steamrolling the whole country. It means kicking the Russians out
of the territory that they had taken. And that was
fantasyland stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Well, lots of people also thought that Putin might get overthrown.
Remember that was kind of the fantasy land take on this.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Oh who you're gonna invade? That means that there's gonna
be Vindsey Graham said something insane at one point about Putin.
I don't remember what it was, you know, maybe the
zeiling is going to come down on Putin's head or something.
He said something crazy and I remember this, like, we
should take him. You know, I'll find it. But yes,
(05:39):
there was that moment A couple of things that I
want to hit here.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
You have been just completely destroying the idea that there's
going to be anything in this. But there has been
a great deal of discussion about Trump releasing the remainder.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Of the JFK files. What did he say? Lindsey Graham
said on TV that we should take him out. We
should take Putin out. I remember that, now, Yeah, that's insane.
This was insane. He actually said that, So anyway I
remembered it, I'm like, oh my god, Lindsay Graham, you know,
never seen a war. He didn't want somebody else.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I think he said it on Fox News, didn't he
because it went megaviral beyond that, like, hey, we should
go ahead and kill Vladimir Putin.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
But there was someone in it. To be fair, it
was someone in Russia should take this guy out. But
imagine if Putin said somebody in America should take out
the US president. I mean, you know this is this
was reckless, stupid stuff. But anyway, sorry, it's gold files.
Let's well, it was going to be.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
The whole argument was, oh, this is somehow going to
blow up in Vladimir Putin's face. Oh he's going to
lose his power. That was sort of the fever dream
of many people out there early in this war.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That clearly is not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
As a result, we now have a conversation which is
making the idea of a ceasefire increasingly likely, and I
am optimistic that potentially in the next days or so
we might be able to get one. But yes, Trump
is going to release supposedly today, the remainder of the
JFK files.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
What I have seen is that there are eighty thousand
pages of these files that have not yet been public.
This is Trump announcing that he is going to release them.
This was yesterday afternoon at the Kennedy Center Cut sixteen.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
We are tomorrow announcing and giving all.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Of the Kennedy files. So people have been waiting for
decades for this, and I've instructed my people that are responsible,
Lots of different people put together by Telsea Gabbert and
that's going to be released tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Okay, Buck, go ahead and ruin everybody's fever dreams out
there in the conspiracy universe. It will there be anything newsworthy,
noteworthy of any kind of significant detail that comes out
in these documents. In your opinion, it is my astute
assessment that these documents will come out and that it
(08:14):
will be a nothing burger with cheese and those gross
pickles that they put on burger, sometimes the little like
slivers of pickles. I don't want pickles on my burger.
I don't know why anybody wants pickles on their burger.
It will be that it'll be the worst kind of
nothing burger, if that is my belief. If I am wrong,
perhaps I'll have to eat a burger with these pickles
on it as my way of eating humble pie. I
(08:37):
think that it's very unlikely that anything. This is what
I always tell people.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
If it was really good, we would either already know
because it would have leaked, or somebody would have talked
about it, or it would already have been so destroyed
and buried that it's not like you can just open
the files and it's in there. Right. This is what
I tell people about Epstein stuff too. It's not that
I don't think I know there was a huge Epstein
can I know there was a lot of stuff going
(09:03):
on there that we haven't still been told about or
been able to prove in public. But a lot of
the stuff has been destroyed. That's the whole point, right,
It's you know, they're not leaving the evidence out there, like, hey,
here's the huge conspiracy that goes to the top of
the power structure of like the global elites. They're not
going to keep that stuff on the shelf. They don't
have it marked with a little highlighter. So I think
(09:23):
it's very unlie. Well then, but now here's the think
like people are gonna say, oh, but this gives us
so much more context. And you know, the people that
are obsessed with the JFK stuff, they'll find things in
this to say, oh, that's we know so much more now.
But is there going to be a bombshell? No bombshell? Well,
I mean, CIA didn't kill Kennedy, is what you're not
going to mean. That's the thing. The CIA didn't actually
kill Kennedy, believe it or not. There's also as.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
The CIA guy oh oh oh, it's exactly what you
would say. Also, there's not going to be a written
confession from j Edgar Hoover saying, hey, it was me,
I ordered the entire thing. Uh okay, why would this
stuff have maimed classified until now?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
That's always accept your argument. I mean a very good question.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Why why would Because to me, as just a normal
guy out there, my thought whenever things are classified is
they're trying to hide something. So it's been sixty two
years or whatever the math is on this, why not
just have it public.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Clay a friend of mine who you know, who wrote
a book on World War two naval warfare. If the
CIA wanted to make sure if there's anything that is
OSS related, it could still have class So you can't
write about the OSS unless you're gonna go through the
review eight years later. Yeah, I mean we're gonna be
(10:46):
on one hundred years before you know it, and there's
still classified stuff about the OSS. There's still classified stuff
about the Korean War. I mean there's classified You sit there,
you go, I'm pretty sure all the informants are dead.
If they're not, we definitely need to know about them
because I want to drink whatever they're drinking. So you know,
this is a part of it is just government bureaucracy.
(11:07):
I think a part of it also is they don't
you know that they want to there's some things where
they want to avoid embarrassment. But yeah, the thing is
that there's anything redacted in these files, well then that's
just going to make the conspiracy folks get even more
fire and understandably so I would agree with them. If
there's anything that's still redacted, you'd say, well, this is
really funky. But yeah, I think it's the government likes
(11:30):
to avoid embarrassment in different ways. When I say the government,
I mean agencies. When you think of these agencies like
their individual brands, they think of themselves like a company.
You know, people call the CIA the company, but they
think of themselves like, you know, they have a reputation.
So we'd say that government's really more the FBI, state
police agencies, et cetera, et cetera. So that's where I
(11:53):
think you may find some interesting stuff, but nothing. I
promise you guys, there's not going to be some note
in there from like the I directed. It's like Jack
Ruby was our guy all along. That would be spectacular.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
But I do think a lot of people out I
mean meaning that we finally get some form of resolution.
The fact that all of this has remained classified for
so long, I think for regular people, and I would
put myself in the regular people category here makes us
feel like something is being hidden that otherwise should have
been out there. But the eighty thousand pages in theory
(12:29):
are going to be released today, and.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I think it would be really interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I don't know, I don't have any My thing is,
why keep it classified for sixty some odd years if
there is nothing of any substance at all that has
remained hidden. That's my biggest question about it.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
In general.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
It just doesn't add up that it would all be
totally boring if they have kept it covered up for
this long. So I hope there's some at least historical
record that comes out and is somewhat interesting or intriguing.
I hope that tomorrow or Thursday, after people have had
the opportunity to start to go through some of this,
(13:16):
that we could come on the show and say, oh,
this is intriguing, let's have a conversation about this.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
It's interesting to me as well that there have been
other assassinations and attempted assassinations of US presidents in the past,
and there's just this there's an acceptance like it was
some crazy person. Yeah it was, you know, it was
some job seeker. In one game, it was some anarchist.
But in this case with Kennedy, and I think it's
in part because of the Oliver Stone movie and it
just has turned into this like Hollywood cause and or
(13:45):
you know, Hollywood fascination, and I just think, you know,
come on, it's never as interesting as we want it
to be.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Look, we dodged, legitimately basically one of the biggest bullets
in American political history on July thirteenth and Butler pencil.
Everyone living today would die with the majority of Americans
for the next fifty sixty eighty hundred years refusing to
believe that that.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Lunatic was a loan gunman.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
And by the way, we still don't know anything about
that guy. You know, it's kind of crazy that he
came within a quarter inch of blowing the president's head
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The president is amazing. He's doing great things all around. Clay,
I didn't know it was possible for me to think
that Trump was doing a better job or was more
brilliant than he is. But then he comes out and
blows away all expectations by letting it be known that,
like me, he does not like Hamilton. This is seventeen.
He does not like the Broadway play Hamilton very much.
(16:48):
Play seventeen.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I'd say, come here and see a show I was
never a big fan of.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I never liked.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Hamilton very much, and I.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Never liked it.
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But we are gonna have some really good shows. I
would say this, come here and watch it, and you'll
see over a period of time it'll improve very greatly physically,
and we're gonna get some very good shows. The thing
that does well a Broadway hits, and we have some
beauty I guess we have Name Is Coming, and we
have some others. But the Broadway hits have done very well.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
So I'm gonna spend some time. We have a good board.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
In the meantime, we're running the country, and we're running
it well.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
All right. That was Trump at the Kennedy Center at Claire.
I didn't know he could be more amazing, But like me,
he realizes Hamilton is trash.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I will say this is a shot from Trump because
he actually likes musicals.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
He really likes Late Miz.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
He likes Phantom of the Opera like this, isn't just
me pointing out the truth, which is all musicals are
overrated and awful, and most men who go to them
are only going so their wives their girlfriends will sleep
with them, which is the truth.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
But Trump really likes them.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
So this is a shot across the bout Lynn Manuel Miranda.
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Welcome back in Clay t Ravis buck Sexton show.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
A report on what Trump and Putin spoke about.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Is now out.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'm reading this from Caroline Levitt, who posted this on
social media. Today, President Trump and President Putin spoke about
the need for peace and a ceasefire in the Ukraine War.
Both leaders agreed this conflict needs to end with a
lasting peace. They also stress the need for improved bilateral
(19:29):
relations between the United States and Russia. The blood and
treasure that both Ukraine and Russia have been spending in
this war would be better spent on the needs of
their people. Conflict should have never started and should have
ended long ago with sincere and good faith piece efforts. Again,
I'm reading from the statement. The leaders agreed the movement
(19:51):
to peace will begin with an energy and infrastructure cease fire,
as well as technical negotiations on implementation of a maritime
ceasefire in the Black Sea, full cease fire and permanent peace.
These negotiations will begin immediately. In the Middle East, the
leader spoke broadly about the Middle East as a region
(20:14):
of potential cooperation to prevent future conflict. They further discussed
the need to stop proliferation of strategic weapons and will
engage with others to ensure the broadest possible application. The
two leaders shared the view Iran should never be in
a position to destroy Israel, and the two leaders agreed
a future with an improved bilateral relationship between the US
(20:37):
and Russia has huge upside, including enormous economic deals and
geopolitical stability when peace has been achieved. That is the
statement that was just released on the call between Putin
and Trump. Cleaning up a little bit earlier, we were
talking about when was the last time Biden talked Biden
(20:59):
had not spoken into Putin since the invasion of Ukraine.
He did speak to him in twenty twenty one. Just
to FYI we were asking, I was whether they had
spoken while Biden was in office.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It happened in twenty twenty one. Buck.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I think all of that is moving in a very
favorable direction. I guess the question out here, and again
that is a statement we just released that was just
released by the White House.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
If Trump is able to actually.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Get peace in Ukraine, wouldn't he deserve the Nobel Peace Prize?
Like in an honest, legitimate world. Wouldn't this be the
very definition of what a mediator and or leader who
was not directly involved in the conflict should receive for
ending a conflict of this significance.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yes, of course, But the Nobel Peace Prize has gone
to Barack Obama for doing nothing. I think Yaser Erafat
got it at one point. You look at the people
who have gotten the Nobel Peace and it has unfortunately
become a bit of a bit of a political joke
in a lot of ways. So I know your your
point is well taken, which is that this would be
a momentous, momentous diplomatic win and not just a win
(22:15):
for humanity. I mean truly when you I don't know
how many of you have watched, there's a lot of
video out there about what's going on on the Ukraine
Russia front and what these soldiers are going through. It
is trench warfare. They have drones that are flying in
at them and blowing people up. Every day, They've got
(22:38):
artillery rounds blowing up all around. I mean, it's you've
got guys that are storming trenches and you know, machine
gunning each other at close range. Like it's horrible stuff
that's happening day in and day out over there. And
bringing this to an end, it would be such a win.
And it's very frustrating, is even the right word. It's
(23:00):
it's grotesque when you see these people that are saying,
but Trump is just throwing in the towel, what do
these people think is going to happen? You know, at
some point it feels like the Slava Ukrainian people really
just feel like if they string this thing out long enough,
maybe we'll have American sent over there to do the
fighting for them, which is an absolute red line for you,
(23:20):
for me, and I know for everybody listening. I mean,
that's just completely beyond the pale. We should not lose
a single American life, a single American finger fighting over
who's in control of the eastern portion of Ukraine. And
in the meantime, there's nothing to be gained in the
long run for Ukraine continuing to fight and lose its
(23:41):
entire able bodied male population, when there's the possibility that
you could still have a country that is functioning, a
country that has a homeland for the Ukrainian people, and
wouldn't be in the midst of a horrible and bloody war.
Like I said, Clay, it used to be that the
Democrats were supposedly the peace party. They were really the
under America during time of war party. That's actually more accurate.
(24:03):
But they would at least go through the motions of
pretending that they didn't want, you know, don't go after
Saddam in the first war, don't go after Saddam in
the second ward. Don't you know. They were the ones
that were saying, we and maybe they're right about the
second one, but we shouldn't be fighting these wars, except
when it comes to wars like this where there's some
humanitarian interest and no real American interest at stake. So
(24:26):
I think that if Trump was able to pull this off,
it's a huge win all around. And again it brings
us back to yes, Trump out there negotiating to end
wars and stop bloodshed, just like Hitler would have done.
I would also point out if we could get a ceasefire,
the price of gas would drop immediately in a significant fashion.
(24:53):
Of the Trump sees that he knows all this stuff
with Russia has hurt us economically, probably in the West,
more than it's her Russia. Russia doesn't really care.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
And even the opening back up of the Black Sea
would dramatically decrease prices for a variety of goods, including
is am. I correct that Ukraine is one of the
largest wheat producing countries in the world, and that you know,
you know, the amount of goods that the grain is
(25:22):
used to produce has also driven up the cost. And
I've been told that because of the shipping cost associated
with the dangers of the Black Sea. The other thing
is Trump has attacked the huties in the Red Sea area,
right that is also driven up the cost of goods
being shipped around the world. So while there is a
(25:45):
great focus on tariffs and what the impact of the
cost of goods could be for tariffs, I think in
Trump's internal calculation, he is seeing the ending of the
wars to the extent that we can keep them ended.
And I know they reignited right now in the Middle East,
but if you could end the war in Ukraine this summer,
(26:08):
I think you would see a massive deflationary movement on
a variety of the price of goods, in particular oil
and gas.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
You know, there is there is a historical mirror image
here perhaps, or there's echoes of when Reagan came into office.
Vulkar had to tighten things, tighten things at a level
that way beyond what we've seen so far in terms
of how high rates had to go. And yeah, I
mean there was essentially a recession. Reagan more or less
(26:39):
inherited that recession. But you had to you had to
get the you know, you had to clear the system out,
you had to get things under control, and there was
a little bit of economic pain that the country had
to go through early on, and then twenty years of
boom and prosperity afterwards. Right, So, if this is a
Reagan moment for Trump on the economy, and I think
(27:02):
there are a lot of reasons to believe that it
could be and that it will be. The historical analogy
here is very favorable. But it might take a year,
eighteen months something like that for things to really get
cooking the way they would like them to. You cannot
fix a problem that others refuse to fix. And expect
that there's not going to be some discomfort along the way,
(27:25):
because why wouldn't they fix it if that wasn't the case.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
This is, though, a very good sign. I think it's
hard to spin it as a bad sign. It'll be
interesting to see what the larger media ecosystem says about this. Remember,
Ukraine has effectively already agreed to a thirty day ceasefire,
and it sounds like Russia is willing to potentially get
(27:49):
involved as well.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Let's say, let's just go through a best case scenario
here for those of us who are adults, and then
I'll tell you what the Libs will say and how
they'll play this. Right, Let's assume that this sea fire
goes forward, and maybe it doesn't, and maybe, you know,
maybe Trump ends up having to drop the hammer on
Putin with a whole lot more economic warfare stuff. And
that's all possible. Okay, we don't know. We don't get
(28:11):
ahead of ourselves here, but if you're gonna wargain this
out a little bit, uh, Let's assume, Clay, that the
ceasefire goes forward and it is durable, and we go
into at every phase of the ceasefire, you know, you'll
be hearing from Democrats Putin got too much of what
he wanted, and he could break the ceasefire any moment.
Putin got too much of what he wanted, and he
(28:33):
could break the ceasefied any You're gonna hear that over
and over for months and months and months, so that
by the time it's clear that this conflict, if this happens,
this conflict actually has ceased to be the war, the
meat grinder of humanity that it has been. They're just
hoping to play this out so that nobody even realizes
(28:53):
that Trump is what. You know, if you extend this
out and complain about it the whole time, it denies him,
at some level, the victory, the political victory, at least
to some that he would be winning by ending this thing.
You see what I mean. They complain, They say, we
don't know yet, we don't know yet, and they keep
doing that until eventually when it's clear, oh no, Trump
actually pulled off something of a diplomatic miracle here, people
(29:16):
will have moved on to other things. I think that's
how they play it because they're never going to say, Wow,
he's a brilliant statesman and he saved thousands and thousands
of lives and had the economy boom because of it.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
It is a really good sign that they are talking.
I think again, we read you the read out on
the report. I am cautiously optimistic. I like to go
to look at polymarket. It has now buck the chances
of a ceasefire by May one at sixty percent. You know,
(29:49):
you can go take either side on this on this
prediction market, right It's why it's kind of interesting to
look at. But that is a small favorite that we
may have a ceasefire in Ukraine by May one. The
other reason the timing matters on this a lot, buck
and I do think it's worth, you know, reinforcing this
on a regular basis. Typically as it gets warm in Ukraine,
(30:12):
the armies are better able to move and the overall
fatality rates increase. It's still the midst of winter over
there right now.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
But moving the fighting series essentially the same thing was
true in Afghanistan when when the mountain passes melt down
and it's easier to you know, to move around, you
get more fighting and we're shooting. So hopefully if there.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Is a ceasefire, they could get a ceasefire in place
by the time it starts to warm up there, so
that we can limit the overall amount of death that
might be occurring. And again to your point, yes, very
hilarian of Trump to try to end the largest war
in Europe since World War Two. It's exactly what Hitler
(30:53):
would have done if he had been in a position
of prominence in America. And obviously we're ridiculing the absurdity
of that.
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to watch the Happy to Go More trailer, but I will,
and I will give you my most salty and bitter
(33:36):
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of the worst sequels in the history of sequels. But
maybe I'm wrong. I have to see that. I have
to see the trailer first.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Well, I mean look Axel F which was the fourth
in the Beverly Hills universe.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Not bad.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Also the and I'm not saying that it was as
good as the originals, all right, because I get a
delusion with people on this too. Also didn't think Coming
to America Too was awful. Also watched that one. I
got ripped to shreds by Buck for saying I didn't
think Gladiator two was awful. I probably will like Happy
Gilmore too, and I think Buck will certainly dislike it.
(34:16):
By the way, a little bit of news. Caroline Levitt
just texted me so so I can. I can say it.
I'm gonna be on the road Saturday with President Trump
at the n C Double A Wrestling Championships in Philadelphia.
They have not yet announced that he is going to
(34:37):
be there. For those of you that are big n
C Double A wrestling fans, I know the n C
DOUBLEA Tournament is underway as well, but it should be
a really cool event. Our friend Jim Jordan is going
to be there, who wrestled in college coach as well
as Dave McCormick, a newly elected senator from Pennsylvania who
wrestled at West Point.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
So this is a big event. I've never you know,
what's a really good but haunting and disturbing movie, Fox Catcher.
I've never watched it, Steve Carrell. That is insane. You're
the sports guy and you've never watched Fox Catcher.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
You Steve Carrell did that like in the middle of
the office, didn't He like left and made that movie.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
It is a very He is freakishly good at doing
the weird DuPont air guy because I you know, I
know they not an heiress. I guess you're the air right. Yeah,
he is so good. You haven't seen that, Clay. You
have got to watch that movie. It is disturbing though. Yeah, no,
I need to check it out. By the way.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Caroline Lovitt also she is giving us access as part
of new media. She said that nobody else would have
ever let us travel for this buck. We're gonna be
doing cool things as a part of the new media
on this radio show. So our buddy Caroline Lovitt expanding
the access to the press corps and it's gonna be
(36:02):
super cool. So I'll be on Air Force one Friday
as soon as we finished the show, I'm gonna head
to Andrew's Air Force Base and we'll spend Friday, Saturday,
Sunday traveling with Trump, including at that NCAA wrestling match.
So should be really cool. I can't wait to get
on Air Force One. I've never been on Air Force
one obviously before. That's a pretty cool experience, so I
(36:25):
can't wait to be able to share that with all
of you on Monday after we spend the weekend.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
There.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Have you ever done collegiate style wrestling? No? Oh, I have.
We had to in my school. It was required of
everybody and so we I was head tossing people around
and have house. We did it from like fourth to
eighth grade. It was everybody had to do it. Everybody
had to do wow the cow and kids around.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I trained some with the wrestling team, never really threw
people around.
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