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January 13, 2025 36 mins
Who is the leader of the Democrat Party? Void in Democrat leadership. Rachel Maddow rebranding herself. Biden delivers one of his final foreign policy speeches. Biden is Jimmy Carter without the post-presidency. Breaking news on the hostages. Congrats, Will Cain!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now everybody,

(00:03):
and it's the last week of the Biden administration. So
we got that going for us, which is nice. Joe
Biden still technically the president of the United States for
a few more days. Doesn't really feel like he's been
president for quite some time. But this is where we are,
and Biden is going to be giving a speech here,

(00:26):
I believe, focusing on foreign policy, shortly going to talk
about the way forward. One of the remarkable things about
Joe Biden is that he has a record of being
really catastrophically wrong on foreign policy issues. As a president.
He has a record and vice president under the Obama
administration of catastrophic foreign policy decisions, things that he pushed

(00:51):
forward directly himself, or that he supposedly decided himself, although
I think it's always the advisors, but that's supposed to
be his strong suit. I think that tells you a
lot about Joe Biden, that the area of his greatest
competency is actually an area of tremendous weakness if you
listen to anybody who is honest and has been paying
attention throughout his career. But Clay, this also leaves a

(01:16):
lot of open territory right now for the Democrats. I think,
given the wildfires in California continuing to create devastation across
a wide swath of Los Angeles, and the fact that
Gavin Newsom is running as he's doing a lot of

(01:38):
pr damage control for his stewardship of that state along
with Karen Bass, It's not a moment where you would
think that Gavin Newsom is a top contender for the
leadership of the Democrat Party. He certainly is looking a
little weak in the moment at least. And it's interesting

(01:58):
to me that Peter Doucey news in the closing week
of Carrige Jean Pierre's tenure as White House Press Secretary,
asks her who is the leader of the Democrat Party
between next Monday, when Trump takes office and the next
the next presidential election cycle. Here's just what she had

(02:20):
to say in response, is play twenty eight between next
Monday and twenty twenty eight, who's the leader of the
Democrat Party? Goodness wow?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
That is honestly, that is for people much smarter than
I to make that assessment that decision. Obviously, voters will
decide that is not something for me to decide. I
could say, right now in this moment in this room,
as I'm looking at the clock as it's counting down
because we have to leave shortly. You have the president,
President Joe Biden, who is obviously the president and the

(02:49):
leader of the Democratic Party. I cannot predict the future.
So that is not something that I'm going to do
from here.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
So no, leader of Department. That's not what I said,
full time President. I'm regretting this right now. That's not
what I said.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
I said that I am. You asked me about what's
the twenty twenty eight is going to look like between
now and twenty twenty eight. I can't or post post
obviously this president's tenure does That's not for me to decide.
That's not for me to speak.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
To Clay now. I actually think that it isn't for
her necessarily way in right, I think that it's Peter
Doucy having a little fun in the last week here,
but pointing out a question that I think has to
not only be on the minds of Republicans but Democrats
as well. Who is the leader of the resistance to Trump?

(03:37):
Right now? You know, there used to be this whole,
this whole team, this whole bench of people that were
vying for the leader of the hashtag resistance against Trump,
and now it feels like it's all just been put
on pause. It's it's been sent into remission. I don't know,

(03:59):
it's I've never seen a Democrat party so leaderless in
my adult lifetime as it seems to be right now.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
I think Gavin Newsom wanted to be that Trump alternative,
and honestly, the LA wildfires have to a large extent
crippled him politically, and I don't think that's gonna happen.
My expectation is that it's going to be Gretchen Witmer,
and I know some of you out there are thinking

(04:28):
it's crazy, but she can't run for reelection again. Josh
Shapiro can, and when he gets re elected, I think
there'll be some DeSantis like momentum, presuming that he is reelected.
I think Bucky would get reelected in twenty six, which
would be a natural jumping off point for his political

(04:48):
movement then to move national, But I don't think there's
a national figure. Keem Jefferies is not particularly charismatic or
well spoken enough to me to be a compelling national figure.
Chuck Schumer certainly is not in the Senate as the
minority leader. Sometimes that's the person who's in opposition. I

(05:09):
think there's a huge void of leadership. Kamala Harris is
not because she's never been a particularly well spoken advocate
for the Democrat side. And I do think California Democrats
are going to have a tough time because this fire
in la is going to be seen as an indictment

(05:29):
of their leadership, even if they're national. And let me
mention this two buck because you just play that audio,
are you gonna miss a little bit the Peter Doucy
Corene Jean Pierre interactions. I mean, we've had basically four
years of sharing those clips because Peter Deucy has been
one of the few media members who would actually ask

(05:49):
questions of Karine Jean Pierre that were something other than
on a scale of awesomeness, How awesome would you say
Joe Biden and his administration have done, which is the
default White House Press Corps questioning in general, with the
exception after June twenty seventh. Obviously that changed when suddenly
everybody had teeth after the debate performance. But Peter Deucey

(06:11):
is going to be, I imagine, having way less fun
in a Trump White House briefing room than he has
with Karine Jean Pierre. And a part of me thinks
Karine Jean Pierre, even in that interaction, likes Peter Deucy,
like you know, even though they obviously are have gone
at it quite a lot. And I think Karine Jean
Pierre has lost almost He's got like an O and

(06:34):
six hundred and forty two record against Peter Deucy questions.
I do think that even she's going to miss that
a little bit. Well, there's a degree of theatricality in
the in these West Wing press corps exchange.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Both of them are performing in some West right.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
It's not yeah, it's televised, it's a it's a it's
a shadow boxing.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Our friend Caroline Levitt, though, is going to be taking
over that role for the Trump administration, and I would
think that there would be a degree of theatrics there.
But to start off with, I don't know. I think
that a lot of these I think a lot of
the journals out there, the people that really insist that

(07:17):
they're still the quote mainstream and unbiased or nonpartisan journalists.
I think that they realized that that whole brand is
shakier than it has been in a very long time.
When even Bezos at the Washington Post, you know, with
his Washington Post says, guys, we need to stop being
so crazy. So I don't know that they're going to

(07:39):
go after the White House Press secretary with the same
ferocity that say they initially did in twenty sixteen when
Trump's team were in twenty seventeen, rather when Trump's team
took over, you know, I think that they may ease
into it a little more. Again, we'll see where this
goes with deportations. I still believe that as those ramp up,

(08:00):
that's going to become a centerpiece of the of the
resistance to Trump such as such as it will be uh.
But yeah, I I think also, I know you've you've
mentioned this, Clay Di Biden UH State Departments, his his
farewell UH address at the State Department. UH is going
to be defending his foreign policy legacy. Has its Has

(08:24):
it kicked off yet? I don't think it started yet.
Has it? We're on the air as this is going
not yet. Yeah, he's a little late. It was supposed
to start around too. But it's Biden. So they got
to wake him up. They got to get him some
apple juice. They got to probably give him a shot
of something to get him, you know, get his eyes
open and look with some clarity. So he's going to
give a speech, but they are hopefully going to be
announcing a pretty major breakthrough with the release of hostages

(08:48):
from Hamas uh. That is the expected The expectation, right,
is that that's what's going to be announced in this speech,
some some degree of hostage swap uh and or a
hostage trade. And I think that that's Biden's attempting. Look,
we want all the hostages free, we want the hostages home.
So good news is good news no matter what. Of course,

(09:11):
it's tragic that it's so few hostages. It should have
been all of them. It should have been done a
long time ago. But I think that it's an incredibly
meek and almost chastened Biden Whitehouse that is handing over
the reins here. They're really desperate for some kind of

(09:32):
legacy to latch onto. That's something that they can say,
look what we did, and look what we have to
be proud of. I think it's you know, what I mean.
I think it's a remarkably weak record that they're trying
to trying to, you know, doll up a bit here
in the final stages, and it just goes to the
overall Democrat lack of leadership, lack of message. I've never

(09:57):
seen the Democrat Party as a brand and look as
depressed as it does right now. And I know that
it's temporary. I'm not deluding myself into thing this is
going to last forever. It's not.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
But right now they're at a nator good word. Look,
I do think you also have to give a lot
of credit. Again, we're getting a little bit ahead of
this speech, but there are reports that they are going
to be somewhere in the neighborhood of thirty some odd
hostages that are going to be released in Gaza by
Hamas Trump saying that there's going to be hell to

(10:32):
pay if these hostages were not released before he came
into office. Buck, I think is actually the impetus to
the extent that we get a result behind that, because
I think much of the Middle East fears Trump in
the wake of his assassination of Solomony, and there's talk

(10:53):
already about hey, what's going to happen with Iran going forward. Hezbola,
you have a ceasefire in the North, now do you
get one with Hamas. I think that Trump's victory has
created negotiating power for Israel. And I know this because
the Israelis told it to me when I was over
there last month in December. They said that Trump's election

(11:16):
fundamentally altered that the hostage negotiations because there was an
understanding that you're not going to get Kamala Harris, who's
trying to Playkate the left of her base that just
doesn't frankly care that much about what happens to Jews,
that Trump was going to come in and recavoc if necessary.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
There's something very clear here, and it's something that all
of MAGA and Trump voters can be quite proud of,
which is that there is no pro Hamas wing of
Trump voting world. This is not a thing, doesn't exist.
There's no contingent that Trump is trying to play Kate

(11:55):
on the right that thinks that Hamas is a glorious
resistance to tear the organization or something right. That is
a thing on the left. As we all know, it
was a big problem for the Democrats in this last
election cycle. We saw it with the protests on college campuses.
There is a pro Hamas wing of the Democrat Party
and that's gone now. So anything that the US can

(12:20):
and would do going forward to put greater to really
support Israel and you know, allow Israel to do what
it needs to do. Hamas knows that that's happening now.
So there's a new sheriff in town and his name
is Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Well, not only that, remember the Hitler taught We got
some funny clips for you about Democrats freaking out about
Barack Obama interacting with Trump because he's Hitler. Still in
their mind, Remember that Trump would have won Israel if
Israel were voting as a United States state by a
margin similar to what he won West Virginia and Wyoming

(12:56):
by I mean we're talking about like seventy thirty if
Israeli's were voting for who the next United States president
should be. Which is why the whole idea of oh,
this guy's Hitler, Like, I don't think Hitler's that popular
at Israel. Just going to toss that out there, he
would have won. Trump would have on the same level
as he won the most Trumpian states in the United States,

(13:18):
and it's like no one ever wants to even talk
about that, but it's pretty consequential. And again, I think
if we get that news, I think Trump deserves a
lot of credit for it with his hell to Pay commentary.

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Speaker 1 (14:47):
Buck.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
You asked who is the leader of the Democrat Party
right now? And I think the easy answer is there
isn't one, certainly not in the House or the Senate.
I think you would have to go down to a
state figure, which is why I came back to Gretchen Whitmer.
I think Gavin Newsom was trying to brand himself as
the anti Trump with the way that he had undertaken

(15:10):
Trump proofing the California economy and.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
The laws that they had passed.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
But I think anyone in California politically, it's going to
be almost impossible for them to have any national standing
when they can't put out fires in their backyard in
Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
But I do think.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
They're trying to brand someone as the king or queen,
as it may be, of the Trump resistance. In media,
Rachel Maddow MSNBC's audience has completely collapsed. Fox News now
has something like seventy percent roughly of the overall news viewership,
as both CNN and MSNBC have lost all their audience.

(15:50):
Did you see our good friend Rachel Maddow, she of
the Monday Only Show and twenty five or thirty million
dollars a year paycheck, is now going to return to
anchor her show for the first one hundred days of
the Trump administration. If you were wondering how the media
would gear up, there hasn't really been any resistance or opposition.

(16:12):
You and I will get up to DC on Friday,
but I haven't even heard of any major protests that
they're trying to put in place for the Trump inauguration
so far. Mattow is going to try to rebrand herself
as the anti Trump zealot that made her a lot
of money in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
I wonder how she'll position this, though, I think that
there's this The difference here is they said that Trump
was hitler and then he got reelected. Do you know,
it's a whole The popular vote didn't just win.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
It's why I think the popular vote matters so much.
This felt like a sweeping victory. And it also has
to feel something like.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
A rejection of the legacy corporate media's ability to direct
elections the way that they had been able to get
away with in the past. Something. It's very different now
we're in a very different environment. I think the existence
of X as well as you know, Rumble and you

(17:16):
know truth and these other places for the narrative or
counter narratives to get out make a major difference. I
think Rachel Maddow, look, I don't know what the finances
are of that show. My guess is she's wildly overpaid
at thirty million dollars a year. She would not make
thirty million dollars a year if MSNBC wasn't signing her checks.

(17:36):
So I don't think that it's justifiable based on the
audience size that they have over there. I don't you know, usually, Clay,
I can see what the next steps are going to
be for the other side. I still think they're in disarray.
I think they're licking their wounds in the Democrat Party,
media and politics. I don't know what they're gonna do.

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President Biden almost there not trying to get ahead of things.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Thankfully, I'm one week thankfully seven days.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, one one week left here Biden soon to be
ex President Biden giving a speech right now where he
is touting his foreign policy accomplishments. Twenty three of thirty
two NATO allies spending two percent on defense. So okay,
I bet of the what's my math here? Of the

(19:26):
nine that aren't, I bet there's some of the bigger ones.
But put that aside. Nobody, no one's really all that
focused in on this. But here's what I will say. Gosh,
I was going to say in Biden's defense. I can't
believe I'm gonna say that out loud, but I am Clay.
You know, we keep it real here. I think that
Joe Biden, getting up in front of the camera right now,
giving this closing speech at the State Department in his

(19:49):
last week as president, I think that he still feels
very much vindicated by in a sense, by the the
loss that Kamala had I think he views himself as
a winner still, even though he got pushed out by
his own party. I think that he views his legacy

(20:12):
as one to zero against Trump, and you know, if
he had been in there. Again, I'm speaking from the
Biden perspective, but you could see this guy up there
into the degree that he looks not particularly vacant and present.
I think that Biden feels like his legacy is in
much better shape than say, Kamala Harris is at this stage,

(20:36):
and it's in better shape than it would have been
for him had he lost the big bout. So you know,
this is probably an overly charitable view of Biden, but again,
from his perspective, he's not the guy that got annihilated
in the general election and led to this current state

(21:00):
where it's really a leaderless Democrat party. I think he
believes again this is my Biden interpretation, Clay. I think
he believes that history will look bite I'm talking about
from the Democrat perspective, will look more kindly on him
in this election cycle, and it will look more and

(21:22):
more to people like they should have back Biden all along.
I'm just this is where I think his mind is
as he's closing the books here, I think so.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
I always like to say it's hard to predict recent
future history, meaning we got a lot right looking at
twenty twenty four, it's very hard to predict. Hey, forty
years from now, sixty hundred years from now, how will
people look back on the Biden presidency? With that in mind,
here's why I think he's actually going to continue to

(21:56):
look worse and worse. What did Biden that in retrospect
could look really smart. I'll give you an example.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
George W. Bush.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
I think, personally, this is my personal opinion, utterly failed
in the money that he spent in Iraq and to
a large extent, Afghanistan. We should never have gone to
war in Iraq. But one hundred years from now, Buck,
if suddenly the Middle East becomes a flourishing, democrat, human

(22:28):
rights laden outpost of civilization, people may look back at
George W. Bush and say, you know what, his decision
to go to war in Iraq, even though it got
criticized at the time, was brilliant. Historically, I don't think
that's going to happen. But if there were the seeds
that Bush helped to create, and they flourished in Iraq

(22:50):
becomes a democracy that is the envy of countries around
the Middle East, and everybody moves in that direction. You
could look at that and say what seeds did Biden
plant that you can look at during his four years
and say, boy, this looks really bad right now, but
it could flourish fifty or one hundred years from now.

(23:10):
I can't even think of anything that he could look
better at in retrospect.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
I think that Biden's presidency will largely be now Again,
I was saying from I'm thinking about this from the
Democrat branding perspective, totally totally understanding perspective of what are
the names that you know, we've lived in this world,
Clay for twenty years now, where it's well, I mean
the Obamas are more recent, but it's Clinton, Obama, Kennedy,

(23:38):
and now Biden has become a name, one of the
big Democrat names out there. He's been president for four years,
and they're going to want to have some kind of
a legacy going forward to rally around on their side.
Biden's presidency I think is very inconsequential in many ways

(23:59):
because I don't think that Biden's presidency was anything other
than the machine running right. The Democratic Party was making
a lot of the decisions. But here's what I would say, they,
you know, the big disaster of the Biden years in
a sense, again, if you're a Democrat, is the win
that Donald Trump just had and Biden's not really I

(24:20):
think that he's gonna be viewed as not really responsible
for it. Yes, So I think his party made the
decision to shove him aside. And people are going to
look at this and they're going to say that was
you never push out an incumbent president. It was a huge,
huge mistake because it's also sacrificed Kamala Harris's political future

(24:42):
in the process too. You see, it is the worst
possible world what they did. Push out your incumbent, serve
up Kamala to get absolutely destroyed. Now what do they have?

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yes, So I think the criticism is going to end
up bouncing back on Biden and his team saying he
should have never announced that he was running, That that
was reckless and that was the sin. The only things
that I could say, like, and I'm trying to think,
like fifty years down the horizon, do you see where
Jake Sullivan said that Jake Sullivan said, well, one reason

(25:14):
we're not getting a lot of credit right now is
because we made so many decisions that in the decades
to come will look brilliant. And I'm paraphrasing him, but basically,
I'm trying to look and say, Okay, let's be generous.
What did Biden do. I can see historians saying, okay,
he beat COVID. That's not accurate. COVID was gonna go away,
as you and I talked about because the natural flow

(25:36):
of virus, whether Trump was in office or Biden like so,
I don't think they can make that argument.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
That could be one of their arguments.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Then they could say, I guess the withdrawal from Afghanistan,
even though it was a disaster, was the right one.
They can say, hey, we stood up against Russia in
the battle with Ukraine and we kept Vladimir Putin from
what being Hitler and going into like Belarus and other countries.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
I don't think you buy that. That could be their argument.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
They could say, hey, in the Middle East, October seventh
really made it hard. Remember Jake Sullivan said, We've never
seen a quieter Middle East, and one week later, October seventh, happened.
So I think it's hard to argue, but they can say, hey,
we stood behind Israel, and that helps set the foundation.
My point is, I think it's going to be hard
to make long range Biden made a big difference arguments.

(26:23):
I think Biden is Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter just died,
and everybody's reassessing the difference is Unlike Jimmy Carter, Biden's
not going to have a post presidency where he creates
habitats for humanity and does a lot of global jet
setting to try to make up for the fact that
he was a bad president.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
I think unless my major advances in biogenetics years, I.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Think I think Biden is Jimmy Carter without the Jimmy
Carter post presidency, which actually means Biden is the worst
president in any of our lives. And I think, again,
I'm thinking historically, not right now. I'm trying to think
decades into the future. I just see very few things
that in retrospect somebody can point to and today, boy
he got ripped, but he got this.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
See I'll I'll throw this out there. First of all,
I mean, I think Barack Obama set in motion the
entire leftward tilt of the country that really just crashed
into the wall of Trump in this past election with
all of the most insane left wing stuff. You can
trace back to the Obama administration into the early years

(27:27):
of Obama. So I, you know, to the beginnings of obamasm.
So I would say Obama's the worst president of the
century by far. I think, far more destructive and far
more consequential in his destruction than what we've seen now.
To be fair, eight years versus four years. You know,
there's a there's a you.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Could point to Obama and say he killed Osama bin Laden, right,
most presidents.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
You can point to Joe Biden and say he's the
president who in twenty years of the Iraq I mean,
of the Afghanistan war, just said enough is enough and
he ended the war. I know, well, that's the Afghanistan argument.
But that's what they're gonna say.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
That's the Afghanistan argument you can make in twenty forty
to fifty years. Here's why I think Jimmy Carter is
the appropriate analogy. Historically, again, were history nerds here. Jimmy
Carter really got elected because of Watergate, right, because Gerald
Ford pardoned because Gerald Ford made the decision to pardon

(28:22):
Richard Nixon, and Carter narrowly got in in seventy six
as the ultimate Washington outsider, and there was an anger
associated with the Nixon end of that era, and Ford
tried to run. Ford, by the way, is a good
guy who historically most people have said, Yeah, that was
the right decision to pardon Nixon. The country benefited, he
lost in the short term. Carter is somewhat of an

(28:43):
accidental president as a result. I think Joe Biden is
an accidental president because of COVID, because Democrats used COVID,
much like they did Watergate, to get a otherwise never
electable guy into office, and then, much like in nineteen eighty,
Reagan came in and just swept out Carter. I think

(29:04):
Trump re emerging in twenty four and sweeping out Biden
makes the analogy between Jimmy Carter and Joe Biden. Then
you can toss in the selection yours inflation.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, but this election was a lot closer than Carter
the Reagan just to I mean, I think it's well worth.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
To be fair. The Carter Reagan example was supposed to
be very close, and this is actually we're a little
bit scary. Is it possible to have a truly Reagan
era whipping of anybody who's a Democrat, even if they're
an awful candidate.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
You know, the country is dug in in a way
now where people will continue to stay with party. I
think almost irrespective of results. I believe this of Democrats.
They would say it's true. Republicans too, I would disagree,
but I think that yes, the polarization of the country
is a reality. The Democrat Party has moved far to
the left compared to what it was even a few

(30:02):
decades ago. Look, I'm just trying to sort of see
what the messaging is here from. I mean, Biden's trying
to tell us how the US is so strong and
the foreign policy front where so strong. Things are great.
It's a weak argument, Clay, I get it. I'm just
trying to figure out what the Democrat to do with this,

(30:22):
because they need something to rally or someone, some brand
to rally around. It's by it's not going to be
Obama going forward, it's not going to be a Clinton
going forward. They are so leaderless and without messaging at
this point too, because the whole last year, the messaging
wasn't you know we got to finish the job with

(30:44):
the middle class and get more. It was Trump is hitler,
let's prosecute him, and then the country said, actually, we
kind of like this guy, Let's give him four more years.
I don't know how they come back from that. And
I think Biden is running around doing his version of
you know, the farewell tour based on foreign policy because
you know who really, you know, it's not going to
be No one really cares that much about what Biden

(31:07):
says at this stage, so he's just trying to put
some put some nice flowery of words together in his defense.
Let me put something out there that points to how
hard the history can be to predict, even in the
short term, to say nothing of decades into the future.
You and I were not on together as a team yet.
If on January seventh, the day after January sixth, twenty

(31:27):
twenty one, I had come on and I'd said, Hey,
things look bad for Trump now, but I'm telling you
January twenty twenty five, Trump is going to win the
popular vote, the biggest Republican win since nineteen eighty eight.
Every single person in America just about would have called

(31:48):
me a moron, not crazy, not dissimilar from normal, and
that would have been a headline everywhere. Four years later
that all happened. So while you think about Kamala, I'll
just say in winter, so to speak, she's not in
as bad of a spot right now as Trump was

(32:09):
on January seventh, twenty twenty one. I see, this is
kind of what I was getting at Clay. I think
that there'll be some Biden nostalgia within a couple of years.
This is what I mean, I think. And then Biden
knows that, and they're gonna they're gonna go with it.
They're gonna pretend you're gonna say, you know, he was
a steady hand and you know things are okay, because
they's gonna need something.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Kamala's team has to convince the nation over the next
two years that but for Biden's decision to wait to
step down, she would have beaten Trump. That's her argument
for why she deserves to be the nominee in twenty
eight I think it's wrong because I think Kamala, the
more time people spend with her, the less they like her.
But there's gonna be a battle over who is to

(32:51):
blame for twenty twenty four, and Kamala's people need it
to be Biden, and Biden's people need it to be.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Common and that that's really what I'm trying to get
out here with Biden is is I think laying the
groundwork for in the future Democrats to feel like it
was Kamala's fault, right, this is the whole thing. It's
it's in the fault.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Remember in the debate Republican debate, We're about to go
to break but when suddenly Nicky Haley like pulled out
a knife and metaphorically stabbed Tim Scott and they were
like close friends to that point, and Tim Scott's like, Okay,
we're gonna go here. But they were so similar, both
South Carolina Republicans, that one or the other had to survive.
And Nicky Haley had the knife in her hand and

(33:33):
just gutted Tim Scott on the stage metaphorically speaking, that's
what's gonna have to happen, Biden, Kamala, one of them
is gonna have to get get a knife.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
And just it was like Tim Scott's such a nice guy.
What just happened? He's so nice?

Speaker 3 (33:46):
And what Nicky Haley ended up surviving the longest. She
was the last you know, the last executioner you know
in that respects, like, what does she gain? But she
had to do that, I think to get to the
point she did. Kamala Biden are gonna have to make
that choice at some point.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Look, we're talking a lot about Trump taken over next week.
It's going to be fantastic in so many ways. I'm
honestly thrilled for the country. I think this is going
to be a great era in America. But you also
got to prepare for the unexpected. And that includes what's
going to happen, at least in the short term with
the economy, with our thirty six trillion dollars of debt,

(34:22):
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(36:04):
speech right now as we're speaking. Report from CNN World
that Hamas is expected to release thirty three hostages in
the first phase of.

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An emerging deal.

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That is according to multiple Israeli officials. According to CNN
reporting from Jerusalem, that would obviously be very good news.
Biden has not mentioned that to our knowledge so far. Buck,
we will break all of this down and more. Plus
Pete Hegseth starts his testimony tomorrow as the cabinet hearings
really get underway.

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