November 17, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show delivers a dynamic mix of breaking political news, cultural debates, and viral trends. The hour kicks off with analysis of President Trump’s call to release all Epstein files, ahead of a major congressional vote. Clay and Buck argue that Democrats are using the Epstein story as a distraction from their failed government shutdown strategy, while Trump’s transparency stance undercuts partisan attacks. They note that if damaging evidence existed, it would have surfaced during Trump’s multiple indictments, reinforcing the narrative that this is political theater.
The conversation then revisits the Butler, Pennsylvania Trump assassination attempt revelations, spotlighting reports from Miranda Devine and Tucker Carlson that the shooter posted violent threats under his real name and embraced radical left-wing ideology, including trans activism. Clay and Buck question why the FBI missed these signals and explore whether online interactions further radicalized the suspect, framing this as a growing national security concern tied to extremist rhetoric amplified by Democrats.
Next, the hosts tackle the controversy surrounding Tucker Carlson’s interview with Nick Fuentes, dissecting Trump’s response defending Tucker’s right to choose his guests and rejecting calls for censorship. They highlight Carlson’s striking comments to The New York Times about the GOP’s growing hostility to free speech, warning against speech policing within conservative ranks. Clay and Buck reaffirm their commitment to open dialogue, emphasizing that the cure for speech you dislike is more speech—not censorship.
The hour shifts to lighter but trending topics, including Clay’s viral Whispering Angel rosé moment at the Patriot Awards, sparking humorous banter about masculinity, wine culture, and social media reactions. Producer Ali joins the discussion, adding levity to the ongoing ribbing. Buck even dives into science, explaining why beer’s phytoestrogens can raise estrogen levels, fueling a spirited debate on health and lifestyle choices.
Finally, Clay and Buck explore Bill Ackman’s viral dating advice, “May I meet you?”, and its backlash online. They offer practical tips for young men navigating modern dating, stressing confidence, humor, and resilience in the face of rejection. The segment evolves into a broader cultural critique of declining face-to-face interactions and the impact of social media on relationships, with Clay likening dating to baseball—lots of swings and misses before hitting a home run.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
In hour number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, we
got a bunch of stuff to dive into and update
you on. We've been talking about the alleged revelations involving
Trump Butler Pa Assassin, what he said online, what his
motivations appear to have been. We opened up the program
(00:22):
talking about that. Miranda Devine will be a guest on
the program tomorrow. She has written a substantial article about
it for The New York Post. Tucker Carlson has also
done a big video discussion of all of that, and
that has been a big topic of discussion. President Trump
(00:43):
was at mar A Lago over the weekend. We also
been talking about affordability. We'll get to some of that.
We talked with Senator Mark Wayne Mullen of Oklahoma. We
also talked with Paul Feinbaum, potential candidate for the Senate in.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
The state of Alabama.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
And we should mention we have not talked about it yet,
that there is a discussion surrounding the Epstein files vote
and President Trump weighed in last night and said, hey,
let's go ahead and everybody vote and release all of
(01:22):
these files. I believe that vote is coming on Tuesday,
and they tried to submarine Trump with selective leaking of
emails last week because they didn't want the attention to
be on the fact that the government shut down had collapsed.
And now Buck, I think Trump has gotten ahead entirely
(01:44):
on this story. And as a result, I just I
don't think there's going to be much there there, for
lack of a better way of describing it, because President
Trump is now saying release all the files, and there's
going to be a huge vote to release all the files,
and I think the ones that are most damning for
Trump have already been leaked. Do you have a different
(02:06):
take on this. I think it's gonna go a long
way towards really kind of tamping down the discussion surrounding
everything having to do with the Epstein files.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
No.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I like that he's gonna give this no more at
least no more partisan oxygen in the sense that, all right, fine,
just just release the stuff, guys. Let's let's just see.
Let's see what you got. You know, the smoking gun
that is in there that somehow nobody else has been
able to find or get out into the public before
about Trump. Please that that's the part of it. You
(02:38):
can just apply logic and common sense to these things,
and I think generally come to what is overwhelmingly going
to be ninety nine percent of the time the correct conclusion,
which is, if they had something about Donald Trump where
he was the bad guy in something Epstein related, he
wouldn't be in the middle of his second term and
thinking about, you know, his legacy on the world stage
(03:00):
in foreign policy, like it never would have gotten Here
is the point. So it's if they could have gotten
away with, to be clear, manufacturing a story about Trump
with Epstein, that would have stuck, would have to stick, right,
They would have done that too. If they could have
Russia collusioned him, they would have done that. But they can't.
So this is why again this is a frustration, and
(03:22):
I think that's why Donald it's a frustration in terms
of the time and here he is, this is cut too.
Trump just says it. Look, they the Democrats are doing
this because it's the shiny object to distract the news
cycle from the disastrous and idiotic shutdown they did.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
But cut two fake news like you. You're a terrible reporter,
as fake news like you. They just keep bringing that up,
should deflect from the tremendous success of the Trump administration.
So a guy like Massy, his hull numbers are showing
he said, six percent approval rating right now. And we
call him Ran Paul Junior because he never he never
(03:57):
votes for the Republican Party. So they using Jeffrey Epstein
as a deflection from the tremendous success that we're having
as a party.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I think that's one hundred percent right, and we'll see
on Tuesday. I think the odds of there being anything
major that comes out when these are eventually voted on
and released is very low. In building on what you said, Buck,
if they were going to charge Trump with over fifty
felonies in New York, in DC, in South Florida, and
(04:29):
in Atlanta, if they had anything they could have charged
him with related to Jeffrey Epstein, don't you think they
would have instead of paying off a porn star and
the way that it was accounted for in the in
the books during the election campaign, don't you think they
maybe would have just said, Hey, this Epstein thing's got
a little more juice than many of the things that
(04:51):
he was charged with. Again, I think you just have
to use common sense here to recognize what's going on.
Our friend Miranda Divine, by the way, is on right
now the lead story on Fox as we began our
show with two hours ago. Fox is now leading with
the New York Post revelations relating to this would be
(05:11):
assassin in Pennsylvania. And so I do think that this
story is going to have a lot of legs. If
you haven't heard yet, there are reports from the New
York Post also Tucker Carlson and others now that they
have been able to find the social media post surrounding
this assassin that led would be assassin, he did kill
(05:34):
an innocent dad, Corey Campetore can't forget in Butler, Pennsylvania,
as well as clip the president's ear and seriously injure
others that he was motivated not surprisingly by left wing
anti Trump political perspectives, that he under his own name,
called for political violence, that he appears to have been
(05:57):
pursuing or at least intrigued by trans related identity aspects,
and that if you go and look at his postings,
he moved from a young man who was supportive of
Trump to post covid deciding that Trump was a unique
threat to American life and that using violence to stop
(06:18):
him was potentially justified. Unfortunately, there are a lot of
young men and young women who have followed this path,
particularly young men.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So there was this period of time when the left
was trying to make a mathematical concept popularized of stochastic terrorism, right,
stochastic terrorism. And so what they were saying is, if
you put enough of this out there, even if you're
not really crossing the line, you know that with the
(06:50):
millions and millions of people out there, someone is going
to cross the line, and therefore it's your fault for
what you have said or what your beliefs are. This
is what they the left was trying very hard to
push this for Alclay. I just think it's interesting that
that has disappeared in the era of the trantifa terrorist.
When it's not a This is where it's a big difference.
(07:12):
This isn't a fringe concept, This isn't among Democrats. This
isn't something that you will only hear among the most
hard left. They will say things about erasing trans people,
they will say things about Trump is a fascist and
a Nazi. From the very top of the Democrat system
(07:33):
and from the Democrat Party. You name it, right, the
No Kings protest. All this stuff is about hysteria and hyperbole.
The whole purpose of this is to emotionally manipulate people
and make them crazy. And then they have some crazies
who actually do things like try assassinations that would plunge
(07:55):
this country into the abyss. And they take no responsibility
whatsoever for the insane things that they have been saying
everywhere from everyone, all the time, on the left, all
the time among Democrats.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And I wonder, based on having seen these posts, and again,
the FBI, to my knowledge, has not commented yet on
these reports from the New York Post and from Tucker,
But there were people interacting with this kid. And I
say kid because he was a kid when he was
posting in the YouTube comments all of these incredibly violent things.
(08:30):
And then he goes dark starting in the summer ish
of twenty twenty. He's not posting from these accounts anymore.
I wonder whether, unfortunately, people saw this young man with
a radical bent who was posting all these violent threats,
and whether they were able to get in touch with him.
(08:50):
This is my speculation, and that further radicalized him, because
why would the posts have stopped? And then the next
thing you hear from him in a public vain is
that he's attempting to kill people and kill the president
of the United States. So I just I wonder what
is going on here and how all of this is
(09:14):
is developing. The Epstein file story is out there, as
we just said. Also, we probably should mention this because
it's gotten a lot of attention. I don't know how
hyper online you guys are, but there's a a guy
frankly that buck and I find most of his views
to be abhorrent. His name is Nick Fouintes, and whether
(09:35):
or not Tucker Carlson should have interviewed him has turned
into a major talking point where people have been going
back and forth, typically in the online ecosystem. I don't
know how much tension this gets elsewhere, but President Trump
was asked about it. I thought his answer was actually
pretty solid. We can play that as well. This was
last night.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Publican party, the Conservative.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Hut, the books.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
But well, I found him to be good. I mean,
he said good things about me over the years and season.
I think he's good. We've had some good interviews. I
did an interview with him. We had three hundred million hits.
You know that. Look, I can't tell him, well, you
let me finish rise back. You are the worst. You're
with Bloomberg, right, you are the worst.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I don't know why they even have you.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
We've had some great interviews with Tucker Carlson, but you
can't tell him who to interview him. And if he
wants to interview Nick Fluentez, I don't know much about him.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
But if he wants to do it, get the word out.
Let him. You know, people have to decide.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
So brought Trump basically saying I don't think that guests
should be policed and we make.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Our own mission and also this show. Yeah, not willing
to throw Tucker under the bus at all, even for
one second on that one, which was interesting, right, It
could be so easy to say, well, I you know,
I'm you know, I really disagree with Tucker or whatever.
Trump stood right by Tucker did not, did not back
down an inch off of it, and just said, look,
(11:08):
he decided to do this for his show, and now
it's become something of a national conversation. A lot of
people are having this chat. There was a little bit
of a hubbub over at the Heritage Foundation. A venerated
conservative institution in DC where the the head whatever I
don't know, I not the CEO, the director, I guess,
(11:29):
or the whatever you call the head guy Kevin Roberts,
who we know actually listens to this show on occasion.
He stood up for Tucker and there's a lot of
backlash to it. Look, there's a fight. We don't really
spend our time here on this because one, I think
we serve our we serve all of you best by
talking about the news every day as it's happening and
(11:52):
not getting into some of the more personality based squabbling
that is going on out there. Because I also think
a lot clay to your point. I think if you
do this job, you're very aware of it. I think
for a lot of the country who's fighting with whom
about what? It gets some clicks online, But I don't
think anyone's waking up saying what do we think about
(12:13):
that Tucker Ted Cruz interview, for example, Like, I just
don't think you know those two guys had it out
if you haven't seen that they had it out, and
you can watch the interview yourself, but I'm I don't
sit here. You don't sit here trying to to pick
and choose when we're gonna get involved in the scrum.
And I think that that's Trump's I think that was
(12:33):
Trump's response too. He's like, look, I like Tucker. He
wanted he wanted to let people hear what this guy
Fwint has had to say. I'm leaving it there. That's
what he said. Unless I'm missing something. No one other quote.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Tucker did an interview with the New York Times, which
is interesting primarily because New York Times tried to destroy
Tucker for years. But I thought this was maybe the
most interesting quote, the most this is Tucker. The most
dispiriting fact of the last nine months is that huge
proportions of the institutional Republican Party all kind of hate
(13:05):
free speech every bit as much as the left does.
They are every bit as censorious as some blue haired,
menopausal Black Lives Matter activist. And I just didn't know that,
and I'm disgusted. I feel betrayed. I take it personally.
I thought that was the most interesting quote, because I
do think it's important. When you get power, sometimes it
(13:28):
becomes intoxicating to try to shut down what other people say.
And now that Republicans have power, I think this show certainly,
But I would suggest others as well should stay committed
to the idea that, to me, the cure for speech
you don't like is actually more speech. It's not trying
(13:51):
to stop someone else from being able to speak. So, jem,
here's an idea that you or I feel the need
to address and talk. That's fine, but we're not going
to be the speech police for individuals on the right,
and certainly not in a way that feels to me
like it often can inherently advantage the left and the
comedies who are trying to destroy the country. Would they
(14:14):
what makes them very happy when people on.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
The right are at each other's throats about anything, when
things are getting very nasty, and so we get the
emails and the comments here, we just we don't play
into that game. I don't do it. I know you
don't do it, and so I think it's totally fair
to be honest also with all of you that I
just have a standing rule. I'm not going to hit anything.
(14:36):
I'm not going to hit someone who's a friend because
I disagree with something that they said. They're allowed to
say what they want to say. I'm talking to friends
of mine now, and if I feel compelled to take
a different point of view. I'll take a different point
of view, but I'm not going to attack somebody personally
because I don't agree with the decision that they make
on their show, because I just think, also, this is
you know there you see this thing, and people also
(14:57):
is long history of this play and talk radio and
early or even in cable news. We're just turned into
like the host taking shots at each other and it
can feel a little, uh, a little petty, a little petty.
So I don't know, what do you think, am I am? I? Oh,
no one. I think if people to my we're going
to break. But I mean my big takeaway on this
(15:18):
is if people attack us like the New York Times
attack us. Remember when they called us like the number
three most purveyor of disinformation or whatever the phrase was,
I mean we should have been number one. That was
what I was most ticked off about.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
But we invited the guy who wrote the article on
I think when we're attacked by name that it can
make sense to respond. But other people's shows are not
our responsibility to police, just like their responsibility isn't to
police what we do.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
On our show.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Got some
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a rose wine to sell, but just call it Brose
(17:34):
and then it's cool for guys to drink it.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I think Brose sounds delicious.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Is there already a Brose? Because it feels like this
must be an idea somebody's already had.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
That's a great idea. First of all, I have no idea.
You can look it up. I will just point out
that producer Ali texted me in fairness, it's not just
a women's rose, it's a gay man's rose too, And
I think she was doing it to try to make
me feel better. But she has been fired, and so
(18:04):
as much as we love Producer Ali's work on.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
The show, she has now gone. When do we come back?
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in Clay, Travis buck Sexton show a lot of different
people reacting to a variety of different subjects. We'll get
some of your talkbacks. Eight hundred and two two two
eight A two A little bit of a heads up,
and I don't want to say it sound like Man
of Mystery Buck Sexton here, but I am leaving the
country this evening for a super secret trip that I
(19:17):
think is going to result in a very positive story angle,
but that I can't talk about. Where I'm going to
be it is not to tour the Whispering Angel winery. Uh.
For those of you out there lighting up my mentions
over the fact that I happen to decide to try
some rose.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
First of all, that you would even consider cheating on
Gavin Newsom's winery, Clay's true is unthinkable. It's true.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Buck's gonna have the show solo Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. But
maybe I'll be in a different time zone. But maybe
I can call in, uh, because I think if you
guys are paying attention to the news, if all goes well,
we will have some news that will be positive nothing
nothing negative associated with it, but probably news in a
way that people don't anticipate me making news.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
If that makes sense. And that was that was really vague,
I'll be honest, Well, I don't know it makes sense. Yeah,
it was very vague. Yes, you know where I'm gonna be,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Exactly how to say it without giving it away, so
it is a bit vague. And I will be on
a plane flight tonight out of the country and hopefully
we'll have a good result.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
If some of you have been wondering what would Clay
look like in surcu disole tights, maybe you will get
your wish. Now I'm just gonna throw out stuff like
I'm just gonna chum the waters for Clay Ai, you know,
just start doing it. So there you go.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
The the the reactions are really really funny that are
as producer Ali there. Do you want to explain that
you were not trying to insult me when you said,
in fairness, it's not just a women's rose, it's a
gay man's rose too.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Was coming to your defense. I was coming to your defense.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
All my guy friends, a lot of them who happen
to be gay, love Whispering Angel.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
They bring it to all the dinner parties.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
But do you think most heterosexual men are like, hey,
you know what, all the.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Gay men love the thing that you did.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I don't know that most heterosexual men are like, oh
that that that cleanses the attacks on my masculinity that
were levied. So scurrilously by great word there scurless by
the way, by Kaylee mcananey.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
So a lot of rolling in there. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
I was Ali. Thank you for joining with it there.
For second, I still have my job. I was gonna
say I was worried that people would be worried that
that clay had instantaneously done a firing here. But no,
of course, of course not, of course not. Whispering Angel
(21:50):
Rose is owned by massive conglomerate LVMH. Now I did
not know that, so they every very copy.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
The way the good Rose.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
But really the issue is is it's not that it
was Whispering Angel Rose. It's that it was Rose. My man,
you know you went Rose. I think that's alone. That's
a rose is like a step away from getting a
wine cooler. You know, you might as well have ordered
a zema at the Patriot A ward.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I don't think I'm even knowledgeable enough to know enough
about wine to realize the faux pad that I was making.
I will say that Kaylee said we should drink this
one because it won't stain like your teeth. You can't
have like a dark red wine and show up and
you know, be doing a public event with wine stained teeth,
(22:41):
and so I thought that I was making a good
decision there she led me over the middle much like
happened here.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Well, and with your jacket and you spill the wine,
nobody will know with your pink jacket. I think that
was a sartorial snub. Yeah, she's lighting you up now though,
with your fake firing, I think I think whatever Ali
producer Ali throws your today. You you've asked for the
incoming so we got to leave it there.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
VIP email from Dave. I give Clay a pass on
the wine. The gals were just ribbing him because they
find him lovably goofy. Don't need to get a double
Scotch meat to appear manly.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
That's exactly right. There was no this is like you.
He Clays a black coffee drinker, and I, okay, I'll
drink black coffee too, But I don't understand why, Like
it's if it's good enough for Italy, it's good enough
for me to have a cappuccino in the morning. Sometimes, like,
what's the problem with this? Some people? You drink what
you want to drink, is my point. There's not really
a I'm gonna tell you something else. Beer, which people
(23:40):
think of as manly, gives you man boobs. Guys, real
science there, true story, Beer gives you man boobs. Beer
is estrogen increasing, unfortunately, so I've heard that is liquor
two or just beer. I think beer in particular, But
I need to I need to go to the groc
on that one.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Is it the hops that make it like estrogen related
like higher levels?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Why, I'll find out. You just talk for a second.
I will continue to talk as buck specifically raises your
estrogen levels. I'm trying to find out why, which even men,
by the way, men have estrogen two. Beer increases estrogen
due to phyto estrogen content from hops and barley. Yes,
(24:27):
it's specific, so this is real. It's specific to the
molecular basis of the beer itself. So yeah, you're drinking
the anti testosterone when you're drinking beer. Couldn't have explained
that to people with Budweiser horses running back in the nineties.
True story, though, folks, True story.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I actually think that's the best argument that a liquor
company could make beer is drinking estrogen, and assuming that
liquor doesn't have the same levels of estrogen. I don't
know what the date is, but I've seen that storyline before.
As as everybody is breaking that out.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Speaking of estrogen, can I throw something else out in
the mix for us for your conversation here about something
I just did? You see Bill Ackman's advice on dating.
This has gone super viral. I'm very curious. We'll get
to some more of this tomorrow. Clay's gonna be out
super secret mission, Clay. But Bill Ackman told young men
who he you know what, I think. I actually can
(25:24):
find the tweed really quickly. Bill, I here here, I've
got it. Here we go. I hear from many young
men that find it is difficult to meet young women
in a public setting. This is billionaire investor guy Bill Ackman.
In other words, the online culture has destroyed the ability
to spontaneously meet strangers. As such, I thought I would
share a few words that I used in my youth
to meet someone that I found compelling. I would ask, quote,
(25:48):
may I meet you before engaging in further conversation. In
inevitably enabled the opportunity for a further conversation. A lot
of really interesting people, Clay. The internet has been ruth
yes with mister Ackman's may I meet you advice? Is
this surprising to you at all? It doesn't surprise me
(26:08):
that the internet has destroyed a rich billionaire who shared
his social cues online and they were quite a lot
different than maybe most. I think if you're a billionaire,
I think you can walk up to somebody and be like,
I like you, and that's it. You know, I think
you're good.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Well, the girls probably know a lot of the billionaires
that are rolling around in rooms. I do think this question, though,
is one that is uh, that is something a lot
of young men are talking about, and I know young
women complain about it that they're not getting approached like
would have happened in the past. And I think it's
because young men. So this is my big thesis on this.
(26:50):
You guys can tell me if I'm wrong. I think
many young men have taken to heart the idea of
toxic masculinity and and approaching women is seen now as
in their mind somewhat of an aggressive move, and so
there's less rejection involved when you just send somebody a
(27:13):
message on social media, and so I think it's just
indicative of a decline and overall face to face interaction
and face to face interaction brings with it the possibility
of rejection, which is really really hard to accept. And
I think guys are afraid that not only are they
(27:35):
going to get rejected, that they're going to get made
fun of. I mean, trying to approach a group of
girls if you are a guy is insanely difficult because you,
as you're going to go approach, you think, oh, if
she shoots me down, all of the other girls are
going to you know, they're they're going to be making
(27:57):
fun of the attempt that I have made I meet
you is a really really ridiculous I think opening line
I would suggest if young men are out there, I
don't know you were on the bar scene a lot
longer than me. I think humor in an unthreatening way
is a good way to gauge the interest level of
a girl. If she doesn't have a sense of humor,
(28:20):
I'm just gonna say, you probably don't want to be
with her anyway. Like that seems miserable to me. And
so but if you go in with a sort of
light hearted entry point, it isn't aggressive, like over the top.
Does that make sense to.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
All the single guys out there? Let me tell you
one thing, women like bees can smell fear, and so
when you go up to them, the most important thing
is that your attitude is that you were effectively on
a kamikaze mission. My friends, this is all about the
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story you're gonna tell afterwards about how slap down you got,
how ma fewer or whatever you got. To just go
in there not care. I'm not saying try for that
to happen, and obviously be polite and be nice, but
I just mean, you've gotta have no fear because they
that's you. Are you?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Are you co signing You're one hundred percent right. I mean,
the way I think about it is like being a
batter in a baseball game. Most of the time, even
great hitter swing and make no contact, Like if you
are constantly obsessed with the fact that you're you know,
probably walking, unless you're you know, Matthew McConaughey or Tom Cruise.
I mean, some of you are you know, incredibly rich
(29:33):
and incredibly good looking. And I'm sure everybody listening right now,
and certainly this is always funny. Everybody on the internet
is always incredibly good looking.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
You know you somebody's got a pretty girl picture and
They're like, she's not that good looking. It's like, this
is pretty like Sidney Sweeney. She's not that good looking
at she's pretty Sweeney, she's mid they say she's mid.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Hey, I guess if you're into, you know, really good
looking twenty five year olds.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
But uh, but I could do better.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I think you just have to think of it as
as basically, you're a batter out up to and you're
gonna swing and miss a bunch and you might file
one off and it happens.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
This is what you just If you're fearless, it's fine.
If you're fearless guys, it's fine. Also the same way
you should go into interviews. You always for a job,
I mean now you always want to go into the
interview like if I get it, I don't get it,
you know what, I'll figure it out. I'm gonna put
I'm gonna do my thing. I'm gonna be who I am. Nervousness, anxiety,
fear always unappealing. So just let it and by this
(30:34):
is why I'll tell you the like pick up artist
books that used to come out back in the nineties.
They're a bunch of that were very famous. A lot
of it. What they're a lot of what they teach
guys to do. And let me say, there's a lot
of there's a lot of bad stuff about being you know,
very philandering with the women and everything, but put that aside.
They just want you to go up. They tell you,
just go up, and if you're not talking to fifty
(30:56):
women a day or something, and it's not because you're
gonna get fifty phone numbers. The idea is to desensitize
you to rejection because once you're desensitized to rejection, you
no longer have fear. And once you no longer have fear,
when you approach someone, their energy reflecting off of you
is gonna be like, Wow, this guy's just coming up
and talking to me. Whereas if you go up and
(31:16):
you're like, excuse me, goddess, who is far out of
my league? That's not going to work for you, even
if she is. And by the way, I have you know,
I mean, I have made that movie for a look
at who I'm married to. Sometimes you got to take
a swing for the fences. I think.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Also, it's a lot like sales. You know, the reason
why people who do sales are successful in life is
because they're willing to get rejected. Most people hide and
they fear failure more than they crave success, and I
think that applies there too. I will say, Bill Ackmans,
may I meet you? Line is so incredibly awkward. I
(31:53):
bet a bunch of guys are sliding in DMS. It's
everywhere now and it's become a perfect Yes. It is
actually become a perfect pickup line because now everyone gets
to be in on the joke. It's and you know,
Bill Ackman is being very he's having a very good
sense of humor about it. He's playing the whole thing
very well too. But it is it is quite funny.
The whole thing has really become very very amusing. But
(32:14):
people do lack that ice breaker initial skill and once
you get, once you get good on that, it is
a it is a secret way. Did you have a
go to line at a bar that you would try
just to break the ice Did you have something that
you found was now that you're married, is there is
there a tip?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Did you have a line it was? I was always
very I was always very situational. Uh So I would
just sort of find something. I usually would comment on
something in the environment that was going on in a
funny way, and first sort of just get that, you know,
because we take a living, so we don't have a
lot of men cannot communicate very well as many women
(32:53):
out there are nodding along.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
At least we talk for a living. I had a
buddy who had really good success. He's married, now I'll
give it out. He would go up to girls and
he would say, hey, I'm not the kind of guy
to brag, but I have health insurance. And that was
a pretty good ice breaking line because it's a ridiculous
thing to say, but it also is kind of like
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it worked really well.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Did he wear cargo shorts with New Balance sneakers when
he pulled that line, because that is a dad line
right there. I think that's a great line.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I think that you can go with your credit score,
you know, or brag about your mortgage mortgage interest rate,
like I think, are these are things that work well
for the girls once you get a lot of women
have no idea what life costs until they're like twenty four.
So if you're talking to an eighteen year old, they
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Speaker 1 (35:15):
We're closing up shop today on Clay and Buck. Clay
is going to be out on a super secret mission
for pretty much the rest of the week. We think
it'll be at least the next few days, and a
Clay In the meantime, Pam from Alaska listens up on
kN i DD. She's got some thoughts for you. Hey, Clay,
I think if you start drinking the Whispering Angel while
you're watching the Hallmark Channel, that's when we may have
(35:37):
a problem.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
What if it's a really good thespian showing I'm sorry
that I'm just really connected to many of the love
stories that the Hallmark Channel brings to bear on a
day to day basis. In fact, they have filmed many
of these in the town that I lived in, Franklin, Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
EE, North Carolina called in with a talkback hit it, Hey,
Clay and Buck, is Ali really gone from the show?
Or is Clay pulling our leg once again? Oh? He's
definitely pulling. Ali's not allowed to not only she's not fired,
she's not allowed to lead like that's that's not even thing.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
How big of a jerk would I have to be
to actually fire someone live on the air. I mean,
after four and a half years, I might not be perfect,
but I think most people would say that doesn't really
seem like Clay. But again, in fairness, it's not just
a women's rose, it's a gay man's rose. Two is
not necessarily the way to win my heart back. That's
(36:34):
producer Ali on the scurreless attack of Tayley mcinaey.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Can you give us a clue and we'll take talkbacks?
And where you actually are gonna be? Do you want
to give us a clue on your super secret mission
to close us out here overseas headed east
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
In hour number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, we
got a bunch of stuff to dive into and update
you on. We've been talking about the alleged revelations involving
Trump Butler Pa Assassin, what he said online, what his
motivations appear to have been. We opened up the program
(00:22):
talking about that. Miranda Devine will be a guest on
the program tomorrow. She has written a substantial article about
it for The New York Post. Tucker Carlson has also
done a big video discussion of all of that, and
that has been a big topic of discussion. President Trump
(00:43):
was at mar A Lago over the weekend. We also
been talking about affordability. We'll get to some of that.
We talked with Senator Mark Wayne Mullen of Oklahoma. We
also talked with Paul Feinbaum, potential candidate for the Senate in.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
The state of Alabama.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
And we should mention we have not talked about it yet,
that there is a discussion surrounding the Epstein files vote
and President Trump weighed in last night and said, hey,
let's go ahead and everybody vote and release all of
(01:22):
these files. I believe that vote is coming on Tuesday,
and they tried to submarine Trump with selective leaking of
emails last week because they didn't want the attention to
be on the fact that the government shut down had collapsed.
And now Buck, I think Trump has gotten ahead entirely
(01:44):
on this story. And as a result, I just I
don't think there's going to be much there there, for
lack of a better way of describing it, because President
Trump is now saying release all the files, and there's
going to be a huge vote to release all the files,
and I think the ones that are most damning for
Trump have already been leaked. Do you have a different
(02:06):
take on this. I think it's gonna go a long
way towards really kind of tamping down the discussion surrounding
everything having to do with the Epstein files.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
No.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I like that he's gonna give this no more at
least no more partisan oxygen in the sense that, all right, fine,
just just release the stuff, guys. Let's let's just see.
Let's see what you got. You know, the smoking gun
that is in there that somehow nobody else has been
able to find or get out into the public before
about Trump. Please that that's the part of it. You
(02:38):
can just apply logic and common sense to these things,
and I think generally come to what is overwhelmingly going
to be ninety nine percent of the time the correct conclusion,
which is, if they had something about Donald Trump where
he was the bad guy in something Epstein related, he
wouldn't be in the middle of his second term and
thinking about, you know, his legacy on the world stage
(03:00):
in foreign policy, like it never would have gotten Here
is the point. So it's if they could have gotten
away with, to be clear, manufacturing a story about Trump
with Epstein, that would have stuck, would have to stick, right,
They would have done that too. If they could have
Russia collusioned him, they would have done that. But they can't.
So this is why again this is a frustration, and
(03:22):
I think that's why Donald it's a frustration in terms
of the time and here he is, this is cut too.
Trump just says it. Look, they the Democrats are doing
this because it's the shiny object to distract the news
cycle from the disastrous and idiotic shutdown they did.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
But cut two fake news like you. You're a terrible reporter,
as fake news like you. They just keep bringing that up,
should deflect from the tremendous success of the Trump administration.
So a guy like Massy, his hull numbers are showing
he said, six percent approval rating right now. And we
call him Ran Paul Junior because he never he never
(03:57):
votes for the Republican Party. So they using Jeffrey Epstein
as a deflection from the tremendous success that we're having
as a party.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I think that's one hundred percent right, and we'll see
on Tuesday. I think the odds of there being anything
major that comes out when these are eventually voted on
and released is very low. In building on what you said, Buck,
if they were going to charge Trump with over fifty
felonies in New York, in DC, in South Florida, and
(04:29):
in Atlanta, if they had anything they could have charged
him with related to Jeffrey Epstein, don't you think they
would have instead of paying off a porn star and
the way that it was accounted for in the in
the books during the election campaign, don't you think they
maybe would have just said, Hey, this Epstein thing's got
a little more juice than many of the things that
(04:51):
he was charged with. Again, I think you just have
to use common sense here to recognize what's going on.
Our friend Miranda Divine, by the way, is on right
now the lead story on Fox as we began our
show with two hours ago. Fox is now leading with
the New York Post revelations relating to this would be
(05:11):
assassin in Pennsylvania. And so I do think that this
story is going to have a lot of legs. If
you haven't heard yet, there are reports from the New
York Post also Tucker Carlson and others now that they
have been able to find the social media post surrounding
this assassin that led would be assassin, he did kill
(05:34):
an innocent dad, Corey Campetore can't forget in Butler, Pennsylvania,
as well as clip the president's ear and seriously injure
others that he was motivated not surprisingly by left wing
anti Trump political perspectives, that he under his own name,
called for political violence, that he appears to have been
(05:57):
pursuing or at least intrigued by trans related identity aspects,
and that if you go and look at his postings,
he moved from a young man who was supportive of
Trump to post covid deciding that Trump was a unique
threat to American life and that using violence to stop
(06:18):
him was potentially justified. Unfortunately, there are a lot of
young men and young women who have followed this path,
particularly young men.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So there was this period of time when the left
was trying to make a mathematical concept popularized of stochastic terrorism, right,
stochastic terrorism. And so what they were saying is, if
you put enough of this out there, even if you're
not really crossing the line, you know that with the
(06:50):
millions and millions of people out there, someone is going
to cross the line, and therefore it's your fault for
what you have said or what your beliefs are. This
is what they the left was trying very hard to
push this for Alclay. I just think it's interesting that
that has disappeared in the era of the trantifa terrorist.
When it's not a This is where it's a big difference.
(07:12):
This isn't a fringe concept, This isn't among Democrats. This
isn't something that you will only hear among the most
hard left. They will say things about erasing trans people,
they will say things about Trump is a fascist and
a Nazi. From the very top of the Democrat system
(07:33):
and from the Democrat Party. You name it, right, the
No Kings protest. All this stuff is about hysteria and hyperbole.
The whole purpose of this is to emotionally manipulate people
and make them crazy. And then they have some crazies
who actually do things like try assassinations that would plunge
(07:55):
this country into the abyss. And they take no responsibility
whatsoever for the insane things that they have been saying
everywhere from everyone, all the time, on the left, all
the time among Democrats.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And I wonder, based on having seen these posts, and again,
the FBI, to my knowledge, has not commented yet on
these reports from the New York Post and from Tucker,
But there were people interacting with this kid. And I
say kid because he was a kid when he was
posting in the YouTube comments all of these incredibly violent things.
(08:30):
And then he goes dark starting in the summer ish
of twenty twenty. He's not posting from these accounts anymore.
I wonder whether, unfortunately, people saw this young man with
a radical bent who was posting all these violent threats,
and whether they were able to get in touch with him.
(08:50):
This is my speculation, and that further radicalized him, because
why would the posts have stopped? And then the next
thing you hear from him in a public vain is
that he's attempting to kill people and kill the president
of the United States. So I just I wonder what
is going on here and how all of this is
(09:14):
is developing. The Epstein file story is out there, as
we just said. Also, we probably should mention this because
it's gotten a lot of attention. I don't know how
hyper online you guys are, but there's a a guy
frankly that buck and I find most of his views
to be abhorrent. His name is Nick Fouintes, and whether
(09:35):
or not Tucker Carlson should have interviewed him has turned
into a major talking point where people have been going
back and forth, typically in the online ecosystem. I don't
know how much tension this gets elsewhere, but President Trump
was asked about it. I thought his answer was actually
pretty solid. We can play that as well. This was
last night.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Publican party, the Conservative.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Hut, the books.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
But well, I found him to be good. I mean,
he said good things about me over the years and season.
I think he's good. We've had some good interviews. I
did an interview with him. We had three hundred million hits.
You know that. Look, I can't tell him, well, you
let me finish rise back. You are the worst. You're
with Bloomberg, right, you are the worst.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I don't know why they even have you.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
We've had some great interviews with Tucker Carlson, but you
can't tell him who to interview him. And if he
wants to interview Nick Fluentez, I don't know much about him.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
But if he wants to do it, get the word out.
Let him. You know, people have to decide.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
So brought Trump basically saying I don't think that guests
should be policed and we make.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Our own mission and also this show. Yeah, not willing
to throw Tucker under the bus at all, even for
one second on that one, which was interesting, right, It
could be so easy to say, well, I you know,
I'm you know, I really disagree with Tucker or whatever.
Trump stood right by Tucker did not, did not back
down an inch off of it, and just said, look,
(11:08):
he decided to do this for his show, and now
it's become something of a national conversation. A lot of
people are having this chat. There was a little bit
of a hubbub over at the Heritage Foundation. A venerated
conservative institution in DC where the the head whatever I
don't know, I not the CEO, the director, I guess,
(11:29):
or the whatever you call the head guy Kevin Roberts,
who we know actually listens to this show on occasion.
He stood up for Tucker and there's a lot of
backlash to it. Look, there's a fight. We don't really
spend our time here on this because one, I think
we serve our we serve all of you best by
talking about the news every day as it's happening and
(11:52):
not getting into some of the more personality based squabbling
that is going on out there. Because I also think
a lot clay to your point. I think if you
do this job, you're very aware of it. I think
for a lot of the country who's fighting with whom
about what? It gets some clicks online, But I don't
think anyone's waking up saying what do we think about
(12:13):
that Tucker Ted Cruz interview, for example, Like, I just
don't think you know those two guys had it out
if you haven't seen that they had it out, and
you can watch the interview yourself, but I'm I don't
sit here. You don't sit here trying to to pick
and choose when we're gonna get involved in the scrum.
And I think that that's Trump's I think that was
(12:33):
Trump's response too. He's like, look, I like Tucker. He
wanted he wanted to let people hear what this guy
Fwint has had to say. I'm leaving it there. That's
what he said. Unless I'm missing something. No one other quote.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Tucker did an interview with the New York Times, which
is interesting primarily because New York Times tried to destroy
Tucker for years. But I thought this was maybe the
most interesting quote, the most this is Tucker. The most
dispiriting fact of the last nine months is that huge
proportions of the institutional Republican Party all kind of hate
(13:05):
free speech every bit as much as the left does.
They are every bit as censorious as some blue haired,
menopausal Black Lives Matter activist. And I just didn't know that,
and I'm disgusted. I feel betrayed. I take it personally.
I thought that was the most interesting quote, because I
do think it's important. When you get power, sometimes it
(13:28):
becomes intoxicating to try to shut down what other people say.
And now that Republicans have power, I think this show certainly,
But I would suggest others as well should stay committed
to the idea that, to me, the cure for speech
you don't like is actually more speech. It's not trying
(13:51):
to stop someone else from being able to speak. So, jem,
here's an idea that you or I feel the need
to address and talk. That's fine, but we're not going
to be the speech police for individuals on the right,
and certainly not in a way that feels to me
like it often can inherently advantage the left and the
comedies who are trying to destroy the country. Would they
(14:14):
what makes them very happy when people on.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
The right are at each other's throats about anything, when
things are getting very nasty, and so we get the
emails and the comments here, we just we don't play
into that game. I don't do it. I know you
don't do it, and so I think it's totally fair
to be honest also with all of you that I
just have a standing rule. I'm not going to hit anything.
(14:36):
I'm not going to hit someone who's a friend because
I disagree with something that they said. They're allowed to
say what they want to say. I'm talking to friends
of mine now, and if I feel compelled to take
a different point of view. I'll take a different point
of view, but I'm not going to attack somebody personally
because I don't agree with the decision that they make
on their show, because I just think, also, this is
you know there you see this thing, and people also
(14:57):
is long history of this play and talk radio and
early or even in cable news. We're just turned into
like the host taking shots at each other and it
can feel a little, uh, a little petty, a little petty.
So I don't know, what do you think, am I am? I? Oh,
no one. I think if people to my we're going
to break. But I mean my big takeaway on this
(15:18):
is if people attack us like the New York Times
attack us. Remember when they called us like the number
three most purveyor of disinformation or whatever the phrase was,
I mean we should have been number one. That was
what I was most ticked off about.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
But we invited the guy who wrote the article on
I think when we're attacked by name that it can
make sense to respond. But other people's shows are not
our responsibility to police, just like their responsibility isn't to
police what we do.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
On our show.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Like we're fortunate to have the opportunity to say whatever
we think. I'm not really in the business of saying
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listener Pia has a thought for Clay. So you guys
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Clay should just run with this and come up with
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I think Brose sounds delicious.
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Is there already a Brose? Because it feels like this
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That's a great idea. First of all, I have no idea.
You can look it up. I will just point out
that producer Ali texted me in fairness, it's not just
a women's rose, it's a gay man's rose too, And
I think she was doing it to try to make
me feel better. But she has been fired, and so
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as much as we love Producer Ali's work on.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
The show, she has now gone. When do we come back?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
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in Clay, Travis buck Sexton show a lot of different
people reacting to a variety of different subjects. We'll get
some of your talkbacks. Eight hundred and two two two
eight A two A little bit of a heads up,
and I don't want to say it sound like Man
of Mystery Buck Sexton here, but I am leaving the
country this evening for a super secret trip that I
(19:17):
think is going to result in a very positive story angle,
but that I can't talk about. Where I'm going to
be it is not to tour the Whispering Angel winery. Uh.
For those of you out there lighting up my mentions
over the fact that I happen to decide to try
some rose.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
First of all, that you would even consider cheating on
Gavin Newsom's winery, Clay's true is unthinkable. It's true.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Buck's gonna have the show solo Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. But
maybe I'll be in a different time zone. But maybe
I can call in, uh, because I think if you
guys are paying attention to the news, if all goes well,
we will have some news that will be positive nothing
nothing negative associated with it, but probably news in a
way that people don't anticipate me making news.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
If that makes sense. And that was that was really vague,
I'll be honest, Well, I don't know it makes sense. Yeah,
it was very vague. Yes, you know where I'm gonna be,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Exactly how to say it without giving it away, so
it is a bit vague. And I will be on
a plane flight tonight out of the country and hopefully
we'll have a good result.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
If some of you have been wondering what would Clay
look like in surcu disole tights, maybe you will get
your wish. Now I'm just gonna throw out stuff like
I'm just gonna chum the waters for Clay Ai, you know,
just start doing it. So there you go.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
The the the reactions are really really funny that are
as producer Ali there. Do you want to explain that
you were not trying to insult me when you said,
in fairness, it's not just a women's rose, it's a
gay man's rose too.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Was coming to your defense. I was coming to your defense.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
All my guy friends, a lot of them who happen
to be gay, love Whispering Angel.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
They bring it to all the dinner parties.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
But do you think most heterosexual men are like, hey,
you know what, all the.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Gay men love the thing that you did.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I don't know that most heterosexual men are like, oh
that that that cleanses the attacks on my masculinity that
were levied. So scurrilously by great word there scurless by
the way, by Kaylee mcananey.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
So a lot of rolling in there. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
I was Ali. Thank you for joining with it there.
For second, I still have my job. I was gonna
say I was worried that people would be worried that
that clay had instantaneously done a firing here. But no,
of course, of course not, of course not. Whispering Angel
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Rose is owned by massive conglomerate LVMH. Now I did
not know that, so they every very copy.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
The way the good Rose.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
But really the issue is is it's not that it
was Whispering Angel Rose. It's that it was Rose. My man,
you know you went Rose. I think that's alone. That's
a rose is like a step away from getting a
wine cooler. You know, you might as well have ordered
a zema at the Patriot A ward.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I don't think I'm even knowledgeable enough to know enough
about wine to realize the faux pad that I was making.
I will say that Kaylee said we should drink this
one because it won't stain like your teeth. You can't
have like a dark red wine and show up and
you know, be doing a public event with wine stained teeth,
(22:41):
and so I thought that I was making a good
decision there she led me over the middle much like
happened here.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Well, and with your jacket and you spill the wine,
nobody will know with your pink jacket. I think that
was a sartorial snub. Yeah, she's lighting you up now though,
with your fake firing, I think I think whatever Ali
producer Ali throws your today. You you've asked for the
incoming so we got to leave it there.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
VIP email from Dave. I give Clay a pass on
the wine. The gals were just ribbing him because they
find him lovably goofy. Don't need to get a double
Scotch meat to appear manly.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
That's exactly right. There was no this is like you.
He Clays a black coffee drinker, and I, okay, I'll
drink black coffee too, But I don't understand why, Like
it's if it's good enough for Italy, it's good enough
for me to have a cappuccino in the morning. Sometimes, like,
what's the problem with this? Some people? You drink what
you want to drink, is my point. There's not really
a I'm gonna tell you something else. Beer, which people
(23:40):
think of as manly, gives you man boobs. Guys, real
science there, true story, Beer gives you man boobs. Beer
is estrogen increasing, unfortunately, so I've heard that is liquor
two or just beer. I think beer in particular, But
I need to I need to go to the groc
on that one.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Is it the hops that make it like estrogen related
like higher levels?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Why, I'll find out. You just talk for a second.
I will continue to talk as buck specifically raises your
estrogen levels. I'm trying to find out why, which even men,
by the way, men have estrogen two. Beer increases estrogen
due to phyto estrogen content from hops and barley. Yes,
(24:27):
it's specific, so this is real. It's specific to the
molecular basis of the beer itself. So yeah, you're drinking
the anti testosterone when you're drinking beer. Couldn't have explained
that to people with Budweiser horses running back in the nineties.
True story, though, folks, True story.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I actually think that's the best argument that a liquor
company could make beer is drinking estrogen, and assuming that
liquor doesn't have the same levels of estrogen. I don't
know what the date is, but I've seen that storyline before.
As as everybody is breaking that out.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Speaking of estrogen, can I throw something else out in
the mix for us for your conversation here about something
I just did? You see Bill Ackman's advice on dating.
This has gone super viral. I'm very curious. We'll get
to some more of this tomorrow. Clay's gonna be out
super secret mission, Clay. But Bill Ackman told young men
who he you know what, I think. I actually can
(25:24):
find the tweed really quickly. Bill, I here here, I've
got it. Here we go. I hear from many young
men that find it is difficult to meet young women
in a public setting. This is billionaire investor guy Bill Ackman.
In other words, the online culture has destroyed the ability
to spontaneously meet strangers. As such, I thought I would
share a few words that I used in my youth
to meet someone that I found compelling. I would ask, quote,
(25:48):
may I meet you before engaging in further conversation. In
inevitably enabled the opportunity for a further conversation. A lot
of really interesting people, Clay. The internet has been ruth
yes with mister Ackman's may I meet you advice? Is
this surprising to you at all? It doesn't surprise me
(26:08):
that the internet has destroyed a rich billionaire who shared
his social cues online and they were quite a lot
different than maybe most. I think if you're a billionaire,
I think you can walk up to somebody and be like,
I like you, and that's it. You know, I think
you're good.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Well, the girls probably know a lot of the billionaires
that are rolling around in rooms. I do think this question, though,
is one that is uh, that is something a lot
of young men are talking about, and I know young
women complain about it that they're not getting approached like
would have happened in the past. And I think it's
because young men. So this is my big thesis on this.
(26:50):
You guys can tell me if I'm wrong. I think
many young men have taken to heart the idea of
toxic masculinity and and approaching women is seen now as
in their mind somewhat of an aggressive move, and so
there's less rejection involved when you just send somebody a
(27:13):
message on social media, and so I think it's just
indicative of a decline and overall face to face interaction
and face to face interaction brings with it the possibility
of rejection, which is really really hard to accept. And
I think guys are afraid that not only are they
(27:35):
going to get rejected, that they're going to get made
fun of. I mean, trying to approach a group of
girls if you are a guy is insanely difficult because you,
as you're going to go approach, you think, oh, if
she shoots me down, all of the other girls are
going to you know, they're they're going to be making
(27:57):
fun of the attempt that I have made I meet
you is a really really ridiculous I think opening line
I would suggest if young men are out there, I
don't know you were on the bar scene a lot
longer than me. I think humor in an unthreatening way
is a good way to gauge the interest level of
a girl. If she doesn't have a sense of humor,
(28:20):
I'm just gonna say, you probably don't want to be
with her anyway. Like that seems miserable to me. And
so but if you go in with a sort of
light hearted entry point, it isn't aggressive, like over the top.
Does that make sense to.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
All the single guys out there? Let me tell you
one thing, women like bees can smell fear, and so
when you go up to them, the most important thing
is that your attitude is that you were effectively on
a kamikaze mission. My friends, this is all about the
(28:55):
story you're gonna tell afterwards about how slap down you got,
how ma fewer or whatever you got. To just go
in there not care. I'm not saying try for that
to happen, and obviously be polite and be nice, but
I just mean, you've gotta have no fear because they
that's you. Are you?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Are you co signing You're one hundred percent right. I mean,
the way I think about it is like being a
batter in a baseball game. Most of the time, even
great hitter swing and make no contact, Like if you
are constantly obsessed with the fact that you're you know,
probably walking, unless you're you know, Matthew McConaughey or Tom Cruise.
I mean, some of you are you know, incredibly rich
(29:33):
and incredibly good looking. And I'm sure everybody listening right now,
and certainly this is always funny. Everybody on the internet
is always incredibly good looking.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
You know you somebody's got a pretty girl picture and
They're like, she's not that good looking. It's like, this
is pretty like Sidney Sweeney. She's not that good looking
at she's pretty Sweeney, she's mid they say she's mid.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Hey, I guess if you're into, you know, really good
looking twenty five year olds.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
But uh, but I could do better.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I think you just have to think of it as
as basically, you're a batter out up to and you're
gonna swing and miss a bunch and you might file
one off and it happens.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
This is what you just If you're fearless, it's fine.
If you're fearless guys, it's fine. Also the same way
you should go into interviews. You always for a job,
I mean now you always want to go into the
interview like if I get it, I don't get it,
you know what, I'll figure it out. I'm gonna put
I'm gonna do my thing. I'm gonna be who I am. Nervousness, anxiety,
fear always unappealing. So just let it and by this
(30:34):
is why I'll tell you the like pick up artist
books that used to come out back in the nineties.
They're a bunch of that were very famous. A lot
of it. What they're a lot of what they teach
guys to do. And let me say, there's a lot
of there's a lot of bad stuff about being you know,
very philandering with the women and everything, but put that aside.
They just want you to go up. They tell you,
just go up, and if you're not talking to fifty
(30:56):
women a day or something, and it's not because you're
gonna get fifty phone numbers. The idea is to desensitize
you to rejection because once you're desensitized to rejection, you
no longer have fear. And once you no longer have fear,
when you approach someone, their energy reflecting off of you
is gonna be like, Wow, this guy's just coming up
and talking to me. Whereas if you go up and
(31:16):
you're like, excuse me, goddess, who is far out of
my league? That's not going to work for you, even
if she is. And by the way, I have you know,
I mean, I have made that movie for a look
at who I'm married to. Sometimes you got to take
a swing for the fences. I think.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Also, it's a lot like sales. You know, the reason
why people who do sales are successful in life is
because they're willing to get rejected. Most people hide and
they fear failure more than they crave success, and I
think that applies there too. I will say, Bill Ackmans,
may I meet you? Line is so incredibly awkward. I
(31:53):
bet a bunch of guys are sliding in DMS. It's
everywhere now and it's become a perfect Yes. It is
actually become a perfect pickup line because now everyone gets
to be in on the joke. It's and you know,
Bill Ackman is being very he's having a very good
sense of humor about it. He's playing the whole thing
very well too. But it is it is quite funny.
The whole thing has really become very very amusing. But
(32:14):
people do lack that ice breaker initial skill and once
you get, once you get good on that, it is
a it is a secret way. Did you have a
go to line at a bar that you would try
just to break the ice Did you have something that
you found was now that you're married, is there is
there a tip?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Did you have a line it was? I was always
very I was always very situational. Uh So I would
just sort of find something. I usually would comment on
something in the environment that was going on in a
funny way, and first sort of just get that, you know,
because we take a living, so we don't have a
lot of men cannot communicate very well as many women
(32:53):
out there are nodding along.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
At least we talk for a living. I had a
buddy who had really good success. He's married, now I'll
give it out. He would go up to girls and
he would say, hey, I'm not the kind of guy
to brag, but I have health insurance. And that was
a pretty good ice breaking line because it's a ridiculous
thing to say, but it also is kind of like
(33:15):
it worked really well.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Did he wear cargo shorts with New Balance sneakers when
he pulled that line, because that is a dad line
right there. I think that's a great line.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I think that you can go with your credit score,
you know, or brag about your mortgage mortgage interest rate,
like I think, are these are things that work well
for the girls once you get a lot of women
have no idea what life costs until they're like twenty four.
So if you're talking to an eighteen year old, they
got no idea. Once you get to be like twenty four,
(33:43):
they start to recognize, wait, it's really expensive. To live
in a good neighborhood and rent starts to add up
once once you're out in the real world. Hey, health insurance.
That's a line that gets the girls attention and a heartbeat,
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Speaker 1 (35:15):
We're closing up shop today on Clay and Buck. Clay
is going to be out on a super secret mission
for pretty much the rest of the week. We think
it'll be at least the next few days, and a
Clay In the meantime, Pam from Alaska listens up on
kN i DD. She's got some thoughts for you. Hey, Clay,
I think if you start drinking the Whispering Angel while
you're watching the Hallmark Channel, that's when we may have
(35:37):
a problem.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
What if it's a really good thespian showing I'm sorry
that I'm just really connected to many of the love
stories that the Hallmark Channel brings to bear on a
day to day basis. In fact, they have filmed many
of these in the town that I lived in, Franklin, Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
EE, North Carolina called in with a talkback hit it, Hey,
Clay and Buck, is Ali really gone from the show?
Or is Clay pulling our leg once again? Oh? He's
definitely pulling. Ali's not allowed to not only she's not fired,
she's not allowed to lead like that's that's not even thing.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
How big of a jerk would I have to be
to actually fire someone live on the air. I mean,
after four and a half years, I might not be perfect,
but I think most people would say that doesn't really
seem like Clay. But again, in fairness, it's not just
a women's rose, it's a gay man's rose. Two is
not necessarily the way to win my heart back. That's
(36:34):
producer Ali on the scurreless attack of Tayley mcinaey.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Can you give us a clue and we'll take talkbacks?
And where you actually are gonna be? Do you want
to give us a clue on your super secret mission
to close us out here overseas headed east
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