June 16, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay Travis leads a compelling discussion focused on the escalating conflict between Israel and Iran, emphasizing its direct implications for U.S. national security and foreign policy. Broadcasting solo from Washington, D.C., Clay opens with personal reflections on Father’s Day and quickly pivots to the geopolitical crisis, highlighting the strategic and moral necessity of Israel’s recent military strikes on Iran’s nuclear infrastructure. Clay draws historical parallels to Pearl Harbor and World War II, framing the October 7, 2023 Hamas attack on Israel as a pivotal moment that demands a strong response. He underscores President Donald Trump’s leadership in fostering Middle East peace through the Abraham Accords and argues that Hamas’s aggression was aimed at derailing this progress. The hour features an in-depth interview with political commentator Arynne Wexler, who supports the view that removing Iran’s Ayatollahs is essential to preventing a nuclear-armed regime. Together, Clay and Arynne challenge the growing isolationist sentiment on the right, asserting that “America First” should not mean “America Alone.” They argue that supporting Israel and promoting Western values—capitalism, human rights, and religious tolerance—aligns with core American interests. The conversation also addresses the rise of antisemitism, misinformation about Jewish influence, and the importance of economic diplomacy over religious conflict. Clay and Arynne highlight how President Trump’s commerce-first approach has reshaped alliances in the Middle East and could serve as a model for future U.S. policy. The episode wraps with commentary on major sports events, including the NHL and NBA finals and the dramatic finish of the U.S. Open, while previewing upcoming guests like FCC Chairman Brendan Carr and Senator Rand Paul.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We're rolling through the
Monday edition of the program. Buck is in can France.
He told me his hotel room is nice. Texting with
him during the break. He is meeting with a ton
of different advertisers over there, as many of them want
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to be able to reach out to you, and so
that is where he is this week. I will be
with you the rest of today, Tomorrow and Wednesday from
our nation's capital, and then I'll be back in Nashville
Thursday Friday. Buck, We'll be back with me on Monday,
a week from today. As we are out running around
all over the place. You got a lot to talk about.
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Started off the program saying Happy Father's Day weekend the
Monday after. I hope all of you had fabulous Father's Day.
Yesterday's I went to the National Air and Space Museum
with my oldest son. We are up here for an internship.
That is why I am in DC. We had a
fabulous time. I talked about that a great deal in
the opening hour of the program. We also have been
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talking about the big military parade that took place here
yesterday in DC that I know many of you watched
over the weekend as that was going on Saturday, the
No Kings protest. All of that we have discussed. We've
also been talking about Iran and Israel and the continued
fallout there. My thanks to Dave Ruman who joined us
at the bottom of the hour. I told you that
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I would dive in here and open phone lines for
anybody who disagrees with the argument that I am about
to lay out about why responding to Iran is in
very much US interest eight hundred and two two eight
A two Okay, So Buck and I were in the
Oval Office on Thursday a couple of hours before with
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Donald Trump. Jd. Vance swung by to visit a couple
of hours before the attack began on Iran by Israel.
In the ensuing seven days, much of Iran's nuclear capabilities
have been attacked to a great degree, and overall, I
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would say the Israeli attacks have been unprecedented in their
substance and their lack of human casualties outside of government
and military and nuclear arms related connections. That is, there
have been very few innocent Iranians who have been the
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victim of Israel's highly targeted attacks. Meanwhile, Iran has been
just throwing as many missiles as it can into Israel
without primarily targeting military related installations. They're just trying to
kill as many people in Israel as they can, and
so the attacks as they were on behalf of Israel
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are very targeted on behalf of Iran, they are very haphazard,
and I think this ties in with the overall story
and the long march of history. Can be difficult, but
I do think that we have to contextualize what we
are now seeing happen in Iran and Israel in the
wake of what I believe is going to go down
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as one of the most awful decisions ever made by
an attacking party. Ben Shapiro was on with US last week,
and I think he referred to October seventh, twenty twenty
three as the Hamas version of Pearl Harbor, and I
think that is an accurate description. For those of you
who remember your history. Winston Churchill had been doing everything
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he could to get the new world that is US
in the United States, to save the old world that
is Europe for Adolf Hitler. But until Japan attacked US
on December seventh, nineteen forty one. America had avoided entering
into World War Two. We did not want to make
that fight our own, not seek it until we were
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attacked in a sneak attack on December seventh, nineteen forty one,
and that was when FDR decided we have to go
to war. And that was effectively, even though it was
an incredibly successful attack on our Pacific fleet, that was
effectively Japan and Germany signing their death warrants in that war,
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and we would go on to liberate all of Europe
and be a unique force of good. I believe October seven,
twenty twenty three, having traveled over there last December, as
I have talked about quite a bit, having been to
the kibbutz's, having been to the north with the border
with Lebanon, having looked out upon all of Gaza, having
heard bombs going off in Gaza, having gone to the
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music festival, having been all over Israel, I believe it's
important to characterize this as a war between good and evil.
Some of you are going to disagree. You are welcome
to call in and tell me why I am wrong.
But to me, having seen all of this myself, October seventh,
twenty twenty three. Was Hamas invading Israel solely because they wanted,
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I believe, to stop peace in the Middle East, and
so they attacked because they were afraid that Saudi Arabia
was going to normalize relations with Israel through the Abraham Accords,
which Donald Trump, Jared Kushner and others have worked out.
And if that were to occur, Hamas would have been
further isolated. Iran would have been furly further isolated. Hezbolah
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would have been further isolated, and so would Siria. I
don't know what Hamas thought Israel would do, but Israel
responded with the force of a thousand lions, and they
have wreaked havoc. They have wiped out Hamas and their
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Gaza base, They have wiped out Hesbola and their base
in Lebanon. And Asad has fallen in Syria and he
has been replaced by a non Iranian fronted government. So
Iran has been standing alone, rapidly advancing towards obtaining nuclear weapons.
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I don't blame the Ayatola for wanting nuclear weapons, because
effectively that would allow him to become the North Korea
of the Middle East, the Kim Jong Un of the
Middle East. Kim Jong un has nuclear weapons in North
Korea because otherwise he wouldn't exist. It is a protective
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shield for him. But also as they have continued to
expand their ballistic missile capabilities, it is an existential threat
to the world because you have a madman with access
to nuclear weapons, and what happens if he decides to
push that button. Lots of us could die. Okay, we
should have as a general rule in America a policy
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of crazy people shouldn't have nuclear weapons. We should have
fewer countries that have access to eradicating massive amounts of
people with one push of a button. Iran was close
to joining Kim Jong un. I wish personally we could
take Kim Jung un out. I wish the Koreas could
be reunited. I think at some point they will, much
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like East and West Germany were. But in the meantime,
you got a crazy man with nuclear weapons. Why should
we not stop a country if we can in any
way assist a country that is led by crazy zealot
religious leaders from having nuclear weapons. All we have done
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so far is allow Israel to defend itself from what
it believes is in existent crisis where it could be
wiped out at any point in time. This is a
no brainer. Now, I'm not saying that I support American
soldiers going into Iran. I don't. I think the Iraq
War was an unmitigated disaster. I think George W. Bush
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and Dick Cheney failed completely in the way that they
responded to try to tie Iraq into nine to eleven.
I think Iraq was a mess. Many of you out
there listening to me right now lost friends and family members.
We spent trillions of dollars of our American capital, of
our American blood in a country that had no interest
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in us being there, and we left it, to my measure,
not much better than it would have been if Saddam Hussein.
It's they didn't position a power and there were no
WMDs weapons of mass destruction. That has all been proven
by history. But just because Iraq was a mess and
we had poor American leadership decisions being made both Democrat
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and Republican when it came to the Iraq War, does
not mean that Iran is not a threat and that
the world can't flourish in the Middle East, and that
the Iranian people don't deserve better leadership. I don't know
whether we should have Iran decapitated of the Ayatolas. If
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Israel does it, in an ideal world, the Iranian people
would rise up, they would overthrow the two generation plus
leadership of the Ayatolas, and in some way they would
return the royal family that was providing immeasurable amounts of
freedom to them prior to that nineteen seventy nine revolution.
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And if that were to happen, I think what Trump
has danger out there too much of the Middle East
is let's stop fighting over religion. Whether you're a Jew,
whether you're a Christian, whether you're of the Muslim faith. Heck,
if you're of the Hindu faith. Let's just build economic
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success regardless of what our religious differences might be. Let's
allow economic success to lift the global tide of economic growth.
And I think many of the Middle Eastern countries understand
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that they're sitting on massive amounts of oil. They can
invest in so many other things and make their country
not entirely determined on oil, because at some point in time,
I don't know how many hundreds of years of oil
Saudi Arabia has for instance, maybe it's much less than
that their economy is going to have to pivot from
oil to other things. They get it. They're rational leaders,
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They're making rational decisions. Iran's leadership is not If Israel
put down its weapons today, the country would not exist
in a week. They would run over Israel, they would
wipe them out. If every Middle Eastern country put down
their weapons, we would have peace in the Middle East.
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If we can remove the Aya tolus. I believe that
peace and prosperity comparatively can flourish once again in the
Middle East. For the Persian people out there, their history
is a proud one of strong economic and scientific success
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that has been taken back in time by everything that
has occurred surrounding this last two generations of dictatorial leadership
by men that won't even let women wear skirts or
dresses and walk around without full body coverings in the
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hot heat of a desert. The people of Iran do
not like these leaders. They fear them. But what Israel
is exposing is that their power is a myth, that
the generational claim that they were going to be able
to wipe Israel off the map was a lie. It
only took a day or two for Israel to completely
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overwhelm all Iranian defenses. If Israel is such a weak
and misguided country, why are they so technologically superior to Iran,
a once proud country. It's because Israel has leaned into
economic growth and basic human rights. I haven't heard a
lot of people talk about this, but you know, it's
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Pride month. You know what Israel had to do because
they were being attacked by Iran. Can't all their pride marches.
It's an awful lot of left wingers in America. How
many pride marches does the rest of the Middle East have? Any?
Western civilization brings freedom no matter what your race is,
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no matter what your gender is, no matter what your
sexuality is. That has still been unequaled throughout the course
of human history. Civilization, Western ideals on some measure of
economic growth through capitalism is the true salvation for the
Iranian people. You can be any religion that you want
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to be, but shouldn't you live in a country that
is led by people with basic rational decision making that
lifts up everyone around them instead of trying to tear
down the Jewish people? And shouldn't America be on the
side of every country with basic rational, Western style capitalistic values,
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regardless of what the religion underpinning those values might be.
To me, trump ism is directly correlated with economic freedom
for every person around the world. And when we can
provide economic freedom to everyone or anyone, whether they're Saudi,
whether they're Indian, wherever they are, the ultimate goal, in
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my opinion of American policy should be that every country
is uplifted through embracing capitalism and basic freedoms and human
rights around the world. So anytime we can advance that,
and that's what overthrowing the Iatolas would do. I think
that is in the very definition of American interest because
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a rational capitalists focused Iran would bring way more benefits
to the average American than the leadership that they have
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on what I just said, that it is one hundred
percent in America's best interest for the ayah Tolas to
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be thrown out of power, because what they have shown,
beyond a shadow of a doubt is if they are
in power, they are going to attempt to get nuclear weapons,
and they're going to lie to us, just like they
lied to Obama, who fell for their lies, just like
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they have lied to the Israelis and to us for decades. Now.
The idea that somehow we're going to replace the Ayatola's
the a goal of nuclear weapons without replacing the Ayatolas
is I think a total fallacy. So when we have
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the opportunity to get rid of them, we have to
do it. If we want to change the trajectory of
the Middle East and the danger that they provide. This
is a no brainer to me. They will go right
back to trying to get nuclear weapons, and I think,
in the wake of the attack, be even more likely
to do so and be even more likely to use them.
We got to get these guys out, and we got
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we should allow on the program. I think we should
allow basically every argument on the program because the marketplace
of ideas we get to better results. Doesn't mean that
you're always going to agree on everything, doesn't even mean
that every single one of you is always going to
agree with everything single thing I say or Buck says.
But I do think as the situation in Iran has
deteriorated over the past several decades of the Ayatola's leadership,
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that their pursuit of nuclear weapons does, in my opinion,
directly impact many of our safety and security here in
the United States. And Aaron Wexler has made a persuasive
case that that is correct. So let me start with
a tough one for you. Aaron, I asked Dave Rubin
this in the second hour. Do you think that Israel
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should take out the Aya Tolas? Should they go ahead
and finish the job, or do you cross your fingers
and hope that the Iranian people rise up against the
Aya Tolas and if they don't have to negotiate with
them going forward. What's the right result now that the
raids that the attacks have begun.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Well, I think the also great to be great of
you with you, Clay, but I think the only option
for Israel is to decisively win what they have now
start it has now, not what they've started, but the
attacks against Ron need to be conclusively, decisively finished. And
so yes, I do believe it means taking the Iatolas out.
I do not think that pinky promises from the Iatola
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of not building and not expanding their nuclear program is
something we should be trusting. And to the point of
the Iranian people rising up, I mean, we've seen for
decades that they have protests, that they have risked their lives.
But it is difficult to overthrow a government, and so
I think the only option really is to cut the
head off the snake.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Okay, So people out there who may be listening to
us and disagreeing, they would say, why do we think
that who we replace, that is, let's say that the
Iotolas get swept out, Why do we think that what
replaces the Iatolas will be better?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
It's hard to get much worse than where we are
right now. But I would say when it comes to
the Iranian people, these are we pro Western people. Of course,
you are going to have Iranian people who are sympathetic
to the IRGC, but in general we have seen you know,
I would pull up a lot of leftists in America
for people in Iran. These women are brave they show
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their hair, they get beaten in the street, and a
lot oftentimes killed. So I think we have seen a
resilience in the Iranian people, and you know, the Persian
culture is something.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
That is very elevated and very motivated, and I think
we could see a real flourishing in the Middle East
if the Iranian people could be who they were before
the iotolos.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Okay, So I agree with a lot of that, But
I'm going to keep pushing you with tough questions because
you're smart and I think you're going to have good answers,
but also because again, a lot of these are criticisms
that I would be hearing from people who are listening
right now. A lot of people, I would say, are
adopting an isolationist America first philosophy, and they say, why
should I care at all what happens in the Middle East,
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This is not America's battle. We shouldn't involved in any way.
You would respond, how.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I would say, I'm also America first, but I think
there's a real myopia happening right now with what America
first means. Somehow we've decided that America first means America alone,
and I don't know how we came to that definition,
and there's something incredibly simplistic about that, but there seems
to be a majrik reaction that's simply because another country
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has an interest, we must automatically oppose that interest, as
if we cannot have aligning, aligning interests with other countries.
That makes no sense to me that that's not compatible
with so much of our history. And in this case,
because it happens to the Israel and there's a lot
of sentiment against Israel in the country right now, people
have decided that Iran is the good guy. That is
where we are in this logic. So, you know, the
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idea of America First, we've seen President Trump have to
take it back and almost redefine it back to what
he meant it to be originally. So a lot of
this movement that's you know, spamming the internet with America
First known New Wars, they're actually directly at odz with
what President Trump defines that to be. And so, yes,
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America First should not mean America alone. And I very
much believe that a country that chance in their parliamentary
session and when their presidents are sworn in, when they
chant death to America when this is what they teach
their children on children's program, When we have seen through
the decades that they will attack American soldiers, How is
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this not anti American? When they call us big Satan.
I don't understand how not wanting those types of people
with nuclear capability. I do not see how that is
not America.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
First truth of the matter is this, there's a segment
of the right that is anti Semitic. There is a
big segment of the left that is anti Semitic. This
has led to rise and anti semitism the likes of
which many of us have not seen. One of the attacks,
I'm sure it's in my mentions right now, Aaron. We're
talking to Aaron Wexler. Encourage you to go follow her. Aaron,
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one of the attacks that will be in my mentions
right now, I bet as I am talking to you,
is that the Jews own me. I am not Jewish.
By the way, in case any of you are aware, Aaron,
do you think that the Jews own me, or own buck,
or in any way are influencing our opinions based on money?
This is an anti Semitic attack, but I think it's important.
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I'll put it out there do you believe it?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Do I think you are owned by the Jews. No,
that'd be incredibly convenient for us. I love when people
would love to say that we control the media, the
media that loves to hate us. I mean, I think
the press around the Jews would be so much better
if you were actually in control. So no, that is
absolutely crazy. And I would say that Katari money is
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what people think Jewish money is in America.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
It's an interesting argument. And look, I feel fortunate. I've
said this before, but I do think some people say,
I don't know why, just for people out there, why
you would say that you have wealth. I'm talking about myself.
I don't have to work. I think that matters. I
think it was beneficial for Trump because it's harder to
buy people who don't have to work. I mean, this
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is the reality. Elon Musk came out and actually addressed
it directly. People said, oh, you're being bought and paid for,
and he said, actually, no one can afford to buy
and pay me enough because he's so wealthy. Now I'm
not Elon Musk wealthy, but I can say comfortably for
everybody out there, there is no one who can afford
to pay me because I don't have to work now.
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But I do think that arguments out there, the way
that you pivoted on it is significant. There's substantial money
out there rolling in from Middle East, from Jewish interest,
from Saudi Arabian interest, from Katari interest. I mean that's
how frankly, I think Katar got the World Cup was
they bought it. Saudi Arabia's got the World Cup in
twenty thirty six, they bought it. But I actually think
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it's an interesting angle here, the thing that actually should
unite us. And I'm curious if you would buy this, Aaron,
And I think this is why Trump has had some
success in the Middle East is he's not leading with religion.
He's leading with commerce and capitalism and the idea of
business first, for all the Muslims in the Middle East,
for all the Jews in the Middle East, to the
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extent that there is much of a Christian population in
the Middle East. The ability to embrace capitalism and have
more successful economic liberation lifts everyone without getting into the
nuance of the difference in religion. I think that's why
Trump has had some success.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Do you buy that, yes, I think that's definitely part
of it. Also, to your point on not being bought,
we saw a risk between Donald Trump and Elon Musk,
the wealthiest man in the world, who at some parts
of his tweets essentially was insinuating, I pad a lot
for you to win the presidency. I would like to
be listened to. And Donald Trump said, I'm sorry, I
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cannot be bought. And actually, and this is something I
wrote about in an article on my substats, which is
a plus Aaron Weckler. Actually, sorry plash, Aaron, that was
my misake, but you can find me also on Twitter
at Aaron Weckler and I have this spread there. I
talk about the fact that even the left knows that
Trump cannot be bought. That's actually why they hate him
so much, because Donald Trump cannot be bought. So everything
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the man is doing right now in office is because
that's what he wants to do, that's what he believes.
And right now we're seeing a massive splintering I think,
probably the first major splintering within the MAGA movement since
its inception, over everything that's happening with Iran. Because Donald
Trump promised us we would not have a nuclear Iran.
That will not be his legacy, and that is why
he is helping his role right now.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, and I think this is actually important. First of all,
Trump has said publicly nobody else can define what America
First means because I'm the leader, and I decided like
I've made the arguments about America First. But I do
think to the extent that there is a disagreement or
splintering in some way on the right about how Iran
should be handled. Do we want and this is my
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art I just tweeted about it. In an ideal world,
we would have kept Kim Jong un in North Korea
from getting a nuclear weapon. It is the danger, I
would argue, is of anybody that has nuclear weapons leaving
a side terrorist getting them or something like that. A
state having nuclear weapons. Kim Jong Un is the most
dangerous right now, person with access to nuclear weapons. I
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think most people out there, regardless of politics, would agree
with that. Do we want Kim Jong Un in the
Middle East with a religious focused fervor underpinning the desire
to have nuclear weapons? That seems like a really bad
idea to me for America and the rest of the world.
And that is why, on a purely rational basis, I
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think it is in direct American interest to keep a
crazy religious group from having access to nuclear weapons. That
seems like an easy argument to make. I'm surprised so
many are missing it.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah. Well, I'd like to say two things so that
The first is on the comparison with Kim John Un.
Kim Jong Un is poor. He's poor. Okay. They do
not have money in North Korea. Iran has oil. They
have money from themselves, from guitar, from Joe Biden. They
actually have There's a lot of damage that they can
inflict if they have nuclear sasability. That's one thing. The
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second thing I want to address is and this is
something I'm saying from a lot of people on these
SO calls right where they love talking about the price
of oil if we go to war. They love talking
about what it looks like if Israel strikes. By the
way Israel stroke and the world is still spinning, and oil,
you know, gas isn't twenty dollars a gallon, and all
the things they warned us about probably being paid by
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guitar or to posts have not happened. But none of
them can describe to us what does it look like
if Iran actually gets nuclear weapons. What does it look
like for America? What does it look like for gas?
What does it look like for trade? What happens to
the Strait of hor moves? If Iran has nuclear weapons
right the oil choke point of the world, you want
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a nuclear Iran in charge of the oil choke point
of the world. That is aptly preposterous. And I have
not seen a single personality and I'll call it personality
not authority on Twitter actually explaining what it looks like
if that happens.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, I think that's super important. I also would just
point out that twenty four years ago they flew planes
into our buildings based on a misguided, bastardized version of
what religion should look like according to these crazy Muslim terrorists,
right the Ayatolas having nuclear weapons, the idea that they're
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going to in some way be rational in the way
that they use them, based on the history of what
we have seen when it comes to Islamic fundamentalist terrorism,
It's crazy to me that anybody would even be arguing, Hey,
it's going to be okay, we should just stay out
of this and let them get nuclear weapons.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yes, well, well, this assumption that's coming from so much
of the right right now is assuming that it's possible
for us to negotiate with good faith actors, as if
they're you know, Putin. Putin is an evil guye he is.
He is rational and predictable. And you know, when you
talk about international security and like all those theories right like,
(31:17):
you're actually dealing with a highly rational actor. When we
talk about Iran, there is a fanaticism, a radicalism with
religion that I think a lot of Americans really just
can't understand. They refuse to acknowledge it. Really, it just
makes no sense for them to assume that we can
deal with someone as if rail politique is something that
is possible within that conversation. They will not be pragmatic.
(31:40):
It will not work with the Ayatolas.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I think that's right. I appreciate the time. I want
people to be able to follow your work because you're smart, funny,
and I think connecting with many different people out there
who may not be connecting with your sort of rational
thought unfortunately on Instagram or TikTok or wherever else it is.
So let me give you those channels. And why do
you think it's so important to be speaking on those channels?
(32:04):
A lot of people millions listening to this radio show.
A lot of people watch Fox News, but traditional media otherwise,
for younger people, very much is collapsing.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, no, I appreciate that, Klay, thanks for having me on.
Everyone can find me at. Aaron Westler is a tough name.
It is Aryne w x l E R. I did
not come up with my first name. I've actually had
it in first, so I can't take credit or and
you can't blame me for that spelling.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Do you blame your parents for spelling Aaron that way?
Is this a unique Jewish spelling of Aaron? I've never
seen it before.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
God, it's like, let's have a therapy session for twenty seconds. No.
I my parents wanted to name me Erin for some reason.
Ar Owen is a boy's name. Arn is Catholic, and
they thought that's confusing. What I guess they didn't think
was confusing was naming me but giving me a spelling
that looks like the Aryan race as a Jewish woman.
So I get hated by everyone and I confuse everybody.
And some people also think it's a kind of black spelling,
(32:57):
which is also fun. So I confuse the less because
they think I'm ethnic and they can't really say anything
against me. So hopefully that explanation will help you all
remember how to sell it, which is a Rynny And Yeah,
I think it's really important to speak, especially to people
who are on Instagram and Twitter, which are my main platforms,
because most people have TikTok bring these days a lot
like you mentioned. I mean, I don't even have people
(33:19):
News in my own house, so a lot of people
in my generation are not watching mainstream media, and it's
important that we still make sure they are seeing seeing
facts and getting other opinions other than the left.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Thank you Eric. By the way, I was with a
friend group over the weekend and I was sitting with
a dad. He had his twenty one year old daughter
and his seventeen year old daughter there, so we had
a big table and she asked me how she could
find the show. She had never listened to a show
on rate. I mean, I just thought it was really crazy,
(33:53):
but I understand for people out there who are listening
to us right now. You've been listening to radio your
whole life. This twenty one year old girl, college girl,
was like, so, how does that work? Exactly? Like she
doesn't have a car. She rides around in Uber's by
and largely the idea of how to get radio it
was I was having to explain I just anyway. There
are a lot of people out there like that that
are super active on TikTok, super active on Instagram, but
(34:16):
are not necessarily going to be listening to a show
like this.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
So thank you, Ara, thanks so much. Play a great
to be here.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Look, Israel at war with Iran right now, and we're
going to talk and continue to talk about this and
why I think it's so significant to me. It's directly
connected to what happened on October seven, twenty twenty three,
and the brutal attack that Hamas launched to try to
propagate war. I think for generations to come in Israel,
and I traveled over there, I saw for my own eyes.
(34:44):
I think it's important to call out good, it's important
to call out evil, and it's important to understand what
exactly is going on. And there are a lot of
people out there that are in bomb shelters right now.
Israel is not a profoundly wealthy country top to bottom.
There's lots of work, lots of bomb shelters that need
to be made available for more, lots of protected cars,
lots of schools that need to be protected from the
(35:05):
bombs that are reigning down. You know this is crazy.
I never see anything like it when I was touring Israel.
They have to cover the elementary schools in many parts
of the country in concrete roofs that are built as
different parts, just to protect in the event that a
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missile might arrive. Imagine living in America, where our elementary
schools had to be built with bomb proof roofs because
you never knew when a bomb might come. Why the
kids are in school. That's what they live with in
Israel because so many people, unfortunately are trying to kill
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edition Clayback from DC
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We're rolling through the
Monday edition of the program. Buck is in can France.
He told me his hotel room is nice. Texting with
him during the break. He is meeting with a ton
of different advertisers over there, as many of them want
(00:22):
to be able to reach out to you, and so
that is where he is this week. I will be
with you the rest of today, Tomorrow and Wednesday from
our nation's capital, and then I'll be back in Nashville
Thursday Friday. Buck, We'll be back with me on Monday,
a week from today. As we are out running around
all over the place. You got a lot to talk about.
(00:43):
Started off the program saying Happy Father's Day weekend the
Monday after. I hope all of you had fabulous Father's Day.
Yesterday's I went to the National Air and Space Museum
with my oldest son. We are up here for an internship.
That is why I am in DC. We had a
fabulous time. I talked about that a great deal in
the opening hour of the program. We also have been
(01:06):
talking about the big military parade that took place here
yesterday in DC that I know many of you watched
over the weekend as that was going on Saturday, the
No Kings protest. All of that we have discussed. We've
also been talking about Iran and Israel and the continued
fallout there. My thanks to Dave Ruman who joined us
at the bottom of the hour. I told you that
(01:27):
I would dive in here and open phone lines for
anybody who disagrees with the argument that I am about
to lay out about why responding to Iran is in
very much US interest eight hundred and two two eight
A two Okay, So Buck and I were in the
Oval Office on Thursday a couple of hours before with
(01:47):
Donald Trump. Jd. Vance swung by to visit a couple
of hours before the attack began on Iran by Israel.
In the ensuing seven days, much of Iran's nuclear capabilities
have been attacked to a great degree, and overall, I
(02:08):
would say the Israeli attacks have been unprecedented in their
substance and their lack of human casualties outside of government
and military and nuclear arms related connections. That is, there
have been very few innocent Iranians who have been the
(02:31):
victim of Israel's highly targeted attacks. Meanwhile, Iran has been
just throwing as many missiles as it can into Israel
without primarily targeting military related installations. They're just trying to
kill as many people in Israel as they can, and
so the attacks as they were on behalf of Israel
(02:56):
are very targeted on behalf of Iran, they are very haphazard,
and I think this ties in with the overall story
and the long march of history. Can be difficult, but
I do think that we have to contextualize what we
are now seeing happen in Iran and Israel in the
wake of what I believe is going to go down
(03:16):
as one of the most awful decisions ever made by
an attacking party. Ben Shapiro was on with US last week,
and I think he referred to October seventh, twenty twenty
three as the Hamas version of Pearl Harbor, and I
think that is an accurate description. For those of you
who remember your history. Winston Churchill had been doing everything
(03:40):
he could to get the new world that is US
in the United States, to save the old world that
is Europe for Adolf Hitler. But until Japan attacked US
on December seventh, nineteen forty one. America had avoided entering
into World War Two. We did not want to make
that fight our own, not seek it until we were
(04:01):
attacked in a sneak attack on December seventh, nineteen forty one,
and that was when FDR decided we have to go
to war. And that was effectively, even though it was
an incredibly successful attack on our Pacific fleet, that was
effectively Japan and Germany signing their death warrants in that war,
(04:24):
and we would go on to liberate all of Europe
and be a unique force of good. I believe October seven,
twenty twenty three, having traveled over there last December, as
I have talked about quite a bit, having been to
the kibbutz's, having been to the north with the border
with Lebanon, having looked out upon all of Gaza, having
heard bombs going off in Gaza, having gone to the
(04:47):
music festival, having been all over Israel, I believe it's
important to characterize this as a war between good and evil.
Some of you are going to disagree. You are welcome
to call in and tell me why I am wrong.
But to me, having seen all of this myself, October seventh,
twenty twenty three. Was Hamas invading Israel solely because they wanted,
(05:11):
I believe, to stop peace in the Middle East, and
so they attacked because they were afraid that Saudi Arabia
was going to normalize relations with Israel through the Abraham Accords,
which Donald Trump, Jared Kushner and others have worked out.
And if that were to occur, Hamas would have been
further isolated. Iran would have been furly further isolated. Hezbolah
(05:36):
would have been further isolated, and so would Siria. I
don't know what Hamas thought Israel would do, but Israel
responded with the force of a thousand lions, and they
have wreaked havoc. They have wiped out Hamas and their
(05:58):
Gaza base, They have wiped out Hesbola and their base
in Lebanon. And Asad has fallen in Syria and he
has been replaced by a non Iranian fronted government. So
Iran has been standing alone, rapidly advancing towards obtaining nuclear weapons.
(06:20):
I don't blame the Ayatola for wanting nuclear weapons, because
effectively that would allow him to become the North Korea
of the Middle East, the Kim Jong Un of the
Middle East. Kim Jong un has nuclear weapons in North
Korea because otherwise he wouldn't exist. It is a protective
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shield for him. But also as they have continued to
expand their ballistic missile capabilities, it is an existential threat
to the world because you have a madman with access
to nuclear weapons, and what happens if he decides to
push that button. Lots of us could die. Okay, we
should have as a general rule in America a policy
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of crazy people shouldn't have nuclear weapons. We should have
fewer countries that have access to eradicating massive amounts of
people with one push of a button. Iran was close
to joining Kim Jong un. I wish personally we could
take Kim Jung un out. I wish the Koreas could
be reunited. I think at some point they will, much
(07:27):
like East and West Germany were. But in the meantime,
you got a crazy man with nuclear weapons. Why should
we not stop a country if we can in any
way assist a country that is led by crazy zealot
religious leaders from having nuclear weapons. All we have done
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so far is allow Israel to defend itself from what
it believes is in existent crisis where it could be
wiped out at any point in time. This is a
no brainer. Now, I'm not saying that I support American
soldiers going into Iran. I don't. I think the Iraq
War was an unmitigated disaster. I think George W. Bush
(08:18):
and Dick Cheney failed completely in the way that they
responded to try to tie Iraq into nine to eleven.
I think Iraq was a mess. Many of you out
there listening to me right now lost friends and family members.
We spent trillions of dollars of our American capital, of
our American blood in a country that had no interest
(08:41):
in us being there, and we left it, to my measure,
not much better than it would have been if Saddam Hussein.
It's they didn't position a power and there were no
WMDs weapons of mass destruction. That has all been proven
by history. But just because Iraq was a mess and
we had poor American leadership decisions being made both Democrat
(09:05):
and Republican when it came to the Iraq War, does
not mean that Iran is not a threat and that
the world can't flourish in the Middle East, and that
the Iranian people don't deserve better leadership. I don't know
whether we should have Iran decapitated of the Ayatolas. If
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Israel does it, in an ideal world, the Iranian people
would rise up, they would overthrow the two generation plus
leadership of the Ayatolas, and in some way they would
return the royal family that was providing immeasurable amounts of
freedom to them prior to that nineteen seventy nine revolution.
(09:54):
And if that were to happen, I think what Trump
has danger out there too much of the Middle East
is let's stop fighting over religion. Whether you're a Jew,
whether you're a Christian, whether you're of the Muslim faith. Heck,
if you're of the Hindu faith. Let's just build economic
(10:17):
success regardless of what our religious differences might be. Let's
allow economic success to lift the global tide of economic growth.
And I think many of the Middle Eastern countries understand
(10:38):
that they're sitting on massive amounts of oil. They can
invest in so many other things and make their country
not entirely determined on oil, because at some point in time,
I don't know how many hundreds of years of oil
Saudi Arabia has for instance, maybe it's much less than
that their economy is going to have to pivot from
oil to other things. They get it. They're rational leaders,
(11:03):
They're making rational decisions. Iran's leadership is not If Israel
put down its weapons today, the country would not exist
in a week. They would run over Israel, they would
wipe them out. If every Middle Eastern country put down
their weapons, we would have peace in the Middle East.
(11:26):
If we can remove the Aya tolus. I believe that
peace and prosperity comparatively can flourish once again in the
Middle East. For the Persian people out there, their history
is a proud one of strong economic and scientific success
(11:47):
that has been taken back in time by everything that
has occurred surrounding this last two generations of dictatorial leadership
by men that won't even let women wear skirts or
dresses and walk around without full body coverings in the
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hot heat of a desert. The people of Iran do
not like these leaders. They fear them. But what Israel
is exposing is that their power is a myth, that
the generational claim that they were going to be able
to wipe Israel off the map was a lie. It
only took a day or two for Israel to completely
(12:32):
overwhelm all Iranian defenses. If Israel is such a weak
and misguided country, why are they so technologically superior to Iran,
a once proud country. It's because Israel has leaned into
economic growth and basic human rights. I haven't heard a
lot of people talk about this, but you know, it's
(12:54):
Pride month. You know what Israel had to do because
they were being attacked by Iran. Can't all their pride marches.
It's an awful lot of left wingers in America. How
many pride marches does the rest of the Middle East have? Any?
Western civilization brings freedom no matter what your race is,
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no matter what your gender is, no matter what your
sexuality is. That has still been unequaled throughout the course
of human history. Civilization, Western ideals on some measure of
economic growth through capitalism is the true salvation for the
Iranian people. You can be any religion that you want
(13:38):
to be, but shouldn't you live in a country that
is led by people with basic rational decision making that
lifts up everyone around them instead of trying to tear
down the Jewish people? And shouldn't America be on the
side of every country with basic rational, Western style capitalistic values,
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regardless of what the religion underpinning those values might be.
To me, trump ism is directly correlated with economic freedom
for every person around the world. And when we can
provide economic freedom to everyone or anyone, whether they're Saudi,
whether they're Indian, wherever they are, the ultimate goal, in
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my opinion of American policy should be that every country
is uplifted through embracing capitalism and basic freedoms and human
rights around the world. So anytime we can advance that,
and that's what overthrowing the Iatolas would do. I think
that is in the very definition of American interest because
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a rational capitalists focused Iran would bring way more benefits
to the average American than the leadership that they have
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on what I just said, that it is one hundred
percent in America's best interest for the ayah Tolas to
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be thrown out of power, because what they have shown,
beyond a shadow of a doubt is if they are
in power, they are going to attempt to get nuclear weapons,
and they're going to lie to us, just like they
lied to Obama, who fell for their lies, just like
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they have lied to the Israelis and to us for decades. Now.
The idea that somehow we're going to replace the Ayatola's
the a goal of nuclear weapons without replacing the Ayatolas
is I think a total fallacy. So when we have
(17:21):
the opportunity to get rid of them, we have to
do it. If we want to change the trajectory of
the Middle East and the danger that they provide. This
is a no brainer to me. They will go right
back to trying to get nuclear weapons, and I think,
in the wake of the attack, be even more likely
to do so and be even more likely to use them.
We got to get these guys out, and we got
(17:42):
to get them out now. That's in direct American interest
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we should allow on the program. I think we should
allow basically every argument on the program because the marketplace
of ideas we get to better results. Doesn't mean that
you're always going to agree on everything, doesn't even mean
that every single one of you is always going to
agree with everything single thing I say or Buck says.
But I do think as the situation in Iran has
deteriorated over the past several decades of the Ayatola's leadership,
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that their pursuit of nuclear weapons does, in my opinion,
directly impact many of our safety and security here in
the United States. And Aaron Wexler has made a persuasive
case that that is correct. So let me start with
a tough one for you. Aaron, I asked Dave Rubin
this in the second hour. Do you think that Israel
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should take out the Aya Tolas? Should they go ahead
and finish the job, or do you cross your fingers
and hope that the Iranian people rise up against the
Aya Tolas and if they don't have to negotiate with
them going forward. What's the right result now that the
raids that the attacks have begun.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Well, I think the also great to be great of
you with you, Clay, but I think the only option
for Israel is to decisively win what they have now
start it has now, not what they've started, but the
attacks against Ron need to be conclusively, decisively finished. And
so yes, I do believe it means taking the Iatolas out.
I do not think that pinky promises from the Iatola
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of not building and not expanding their nuclear program is
something we should be trusting. And to the point of
the Iranian people rising up, I mean, we've seen for
decades that they have protests, that they have risked their lives.
But it is difficult to overthrow a government, and so
I think the only option really is to cut the
head off the snake.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Okay, So people out there who may be listening to
us and disagreeing, they would say, why do we think
that who we replace, that is, let's say that the
Iotolas get swept out, Why do we think that what
replaces the Iatolas will be better?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
It's hard to get much worse than where we are
right now. But I would say when it comes to
the Iranian people, these are we pro Western people. Of course,
you are going to have Iranian people who are sympathetic
to the IRGC, but in general we have seen you know,
I would pull up a lot of leftists in America
for people in Iran. These women are brave they show
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their hair, they get beaten in the street, and a
lot oftentimes killed. So I think we have seen a
resilience in the Iranian people, and you know, the Persian
culture is something.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
That is very elevated and very motivated, and I think
we could see a real flourishing in the Middle East
if the Iranian people could be who they were before
the iotolos.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Okay, So I agree with a lot of that, But
I'm going to keep pushing you with tough questions because
you're smart and I think you're going to have good answers,
but also because again, a lot of these are criticisms
that I would be hearing from people who are listening
right now. A lot of people, I would say, are
adopting an isolationist America first philosophy, and they say, why
should I care at all what happens in the Middle East,
(21:58):
This is not America's battle. We shouldn't involved in any way.
You would respond, how.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I would say, I'm also America first, but I think
there's a real myopia happening right now with what America
first means. Somehow we've decided that America first means America alone,
and I don't know how we came to that definition,
and there's something incredibly simplistic about that, but there seems
to be a majrik reaction that's simply because another country
(22:24):
has an interest, we must automatically oppose that interest, as
if we cannot have aligning, aligning interests with other countries.
That makes no sense to me that that's not compatible
with so much of our history. And in this case,
because it happens to the Israel and there's a lot
of sentiment against Israel in the country right now, people
have decided that Iran is the good guy. That is
where we are in this logic. So, you know, the
(22:46):
idea of America First, we've seen President Trump have to
take it back and almost redefine it back to what
he meant it to be originally. So a lot of
this movement that's you know, spamming the internet with America
First known New Wars, they're actually directly at odz with
what President Trump defines that to be. And so, yes,
(23:07):
America First should not mean America alone. And I very
much believe that a country that chance in their parliamentary
session and when their presidents are sworn in, when they
chant death to America when this is what they teach
their children on children's program, When we have seen through
the decades that they will attack American soldiers, How is
(23:27):
this not anti American? When they call us big Satan.
I don't understand how not wanting those types of people
with nuclear capability. I do not see how that is
not America.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
First truth of the matter is this, there's a segment
of the right that is anti Semitic. There is a
big segment of the left that is anti Semitic. This
has led to rise and anti semitism the likes of
which many of us have not seen. One of the attacks,
I'm sure it's in my mentions right now, Aaron. We're
talking to Aaron Wexler. Encourage you to go follow her. Aaron,
(24:00):
one of the attacks that will be in my mentions
right now, I bet as I am talking to you,
is that the Jews own me. I am not Jewish.
By the way, in case any of you are aware, Aaron,
do you think that the Jews own me, or own buck,
or in any way are influencing our opinions based on money?
This is an anti Semitic attack, but I think it's important.
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I'll put it out there do you believe it?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Do I think you are owned by the Jews. No,
that'd be incredibly convenient for us. I love when people
would love to say that we control the media, the
media that loves to hate us. I mean, I think
the press around the Jews would be so much better
if you were actually in control. So no, that is
absolutely crazy. And I would say that Katari money is
(24:44):
what people think Jewish money is in America.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
It's an interesting argument. And look, I feel fortunate. I've
said this before, but I do think some people say,
I don't know why, just for people out there, why
you would say that you have wealth. I'm talking about myself.
I don't have to work. I think that matters. I
think it was beneficial for Trump because it's harder to
buy people who don't have to work. I mean, this
(25:10):
is the reality. Elon Musk came out and actually addressed
it directly. People said, oh, you're being bought and paid for,
and he said, actually, no one can afford to buy
and pay me enough because he's so wealthy. Now I'm
not Elon Musk wealthy, but I can say comfortably for
everybody out there, there is no one who can afford
to pay me because I don't have to work now.
(25:31):
But I do think that arguments out there, the way
that you pivoted on it is significant. There's substantial money
out there rolling in from Middle East, from Jewish interest,
from Saudi Arabian interest, from Katari interest. I mean that's
how frankly, I think Katar got the World Cup was
they bought it. Saudi Arabia's got the World Cup in
twenty thirty six, they bought it. But I actually think
(25:54):
it's an interesting angle here, the thing that actually should
unite us. And I'm curious if you would buy this, Aaron,
And I think this is why Trump has had some
success in the Middle East is he's not leading with religion.
He's leading with commerce and capitalism and the idea of
business first, for all the Muslims in the Middle East,
for all the Jews in the Middle East, to the
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extent that there is much of a Christian population in
the Middle East. The ability to embrace capitalism and have
more successful economic liberation lifts everyone without getting into the
nuance of the difference in religion. I think that's why
Trump has had some success.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Do you buy that, yes, I think that's definitely part
of it. Also, to your point on not being bought,
we saw a risk between Donald Trump and Elon Musk,
the wealthiest man in the world, who at some parts
of his tweets essentially was insinuating, I pad a lot
for you to win the presidency. I would like to
be listened to. And Donald Trump said, I'm sorry, I
(26:55):
cannot be bought. And actually, and this is something I
wrote about in an article on my substats, which is
a plus Aaron Weckler. Actually, sorry plash, Aaron, that was
my misake, but you can find me also on Twitter
at Aaron Weckler and I have this spread there. I
talk about the fact that even the left knows that
Trump cannot be bought. That's actually why they hate him
so much, because Donald Trump cannot be bought. So everything
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the man is doing right now in office is because
that's what he wants to do, that's what he believes.
And right now we're seeing a massive splintering I think,
probably the first major splintering within the MAGA movement since
its inception, over everything that's happening with Iran. Because Donald
Trump promised us we would not have a nuclear Iran.
That will not be his legacy, and that is why
he is helping his role right now.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, and I think this is actually important. First of all,
Trump has said publicly nobody else can define what America
First means because I'm the leader, and I decided like
I've made the arguments about America First. But I do
think to the extent that there is a disagreement or
splintering in some way on the right about how Iran
should be handled. Do we want and this is my
(27:59):
art I just tweeted about it. In an ideal world,
we would have kept Kim Jong un in North Korea
from getting a nuclear weapon. It is the danger, I
would argue, is of anybody that has nuclear weapons leaving
a side terrorist getting them or something like that. A
state having nuclear weapons. Kim Jong Un is the most
dangerous right now, person with access to nuclear weapons. I
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think most people out there, regardless of politics, would agree
with that. Do we want Kim Jong Un in the
Middle East with a religious focused fervor underpinning the desire
to have nuclear weapons? That seems like a really bad
idea to me for America and the rest of the world.
And that is why, on a purely rational basis, I
(28:44):
think it is in direct American interest to keep a
crazy religious group from having access to nuclear weapons. That
seems like an easy argument to make. I'm surprised so
many are missing it.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah. Well, I'd like to say two things so that
The first is on the comparison with Kim John Un.
Kim Jong Un is poor. He's poor. Okay. They do
not have money in North Korea. Iran has oil. They
have money from themselves, from guitar, from Joe Biden. They
actually have There's a lot of damage that they can
inflict if they have nuclear sasability. That's one thing. The
(29:16):
second thing I want to address is and this is
something I'm saying from a lot of people on these
SO calls right where they love talking about the price
of oil if we go to war. They love talking
about what it looks like if Israel strikes. By the
way Israel stroke and the world is still spinning, and oil,
you know, gas isn't twenty dollars a gallon, and all
the things they warned us about probably being paid by
(29:37):
guitar or to posts have not happened. But none of
them can describe to us what does it look like
if Iran actually gets nuclear weapons. What does it look
like for America? What does it look like for gas?
What does it look like for trade? What happens to
the Strait of hor moves? If Iran has nuclear weapons
right the oil choke point of the world, you want
(29:57):
a nuclear Iran in charge of the oil choke point
of the world. That is aptly preposterous. And I have
not seen a single personality and I'll call it personality
not authority on Twitter actually explaining what it looks like
if that happens.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, I think that's super important. I also would just
point out that twenty four years ago they flew planes
into our buildings based on a misguided, bastardized version of
what religion should look like according to these crazy Muslim terrorists,
right the Ayatolas having nuclear weapons, the idea that they're
(30:37):
going to in some way be rational in the way
that they use them, based on the history of what
we have seen when it comes to Islamic fundamentalist terrorism,
It's crazy to me that anybody would even be arguing, Hey,
it's going to be okay, we should just stay out
of this and let them get nuclear weapons.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yes, well, well, this assumption that's coming from so much
of the right right now is assuming that it's possible
for us to negotiate with good faith actors, as if
they're you know, Putin. Putin is an evil guye he is.
He is rational and predictable. And you know, when you
talk about international security and like all those theories right like,
(31:17):
you're actually dealing with a highly rational actor. When we
talk about Iran, there is a fanaticism, a radicalism with
religion that I think a lot of Americans really just
can't understand. They refuse to acknowledge it. Really, it just
makes no sense for them to assume that we can
deal with someone as if rail politique is something that
is possible within that conversation. They will not be pragmatic.
(31:40):
It will not work with the Ayatolas.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I think that's right. I appreciate the time. I want
people to be able to follow your work because you're smart, funny,
and I think connecting with many different people out there
who may not be connecting with your sort of rational
thought unfortunately on Instagram or TikTok or wherever else it is.
So let me give you those channels. And why do
you think it's so important to be speaking on those channels?
(32:04):
A lot of people millions listening to this radio show.
A lot of people watch Fox News, but traditional media otherwise,
for younger people, very much is collapsing.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, no, I appreciate that, Klay, thanks for having me on.
Everyone can find me at. Aaron Westler is a tough name.
It is Aryne w x l E R. I did
not come up with my first name. I've actually had
it in first, so I can't take credit or and
you can't blame me for that spelling.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Do you blame your parents for spelling Aaron that way?
Is this a unique Jewish spelling of Aaron? I've never
seen it before.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
God, it's like, let's have a therapy session for twenty seconds. No.
I my parents wanted to name me Erin for some reason.
Ar Owen is a boy's name. Arn is Catholic, and
they thought that's confusing. What I guess they didn't think
was confusing was naming me but giving me a spelling
that looks like the Aryan race as a Jewish woman.
So I get hated by everyone and I confuse everybody.
And some people also think it's a kind of black spelling,
(32:57):
which is also fun. So I confuse the less because
they think I'm ethnic and they can't really say anything
against me. So hopefully that explanation will help you all
remember how to sell it, which is a Rynny And Yeah,
I think it's really important to speak, especially to people
who are on Instagram and Twitter, which are my main platforms,
because most people have TikTok bring these days a lot
like you mentioned. I mean, I don't even have people
(33:19):
News in my own house, so a lot of people
in my generation are not watching mainstream media, and it's
important that we still make sure they are seeing seeing
facts and getting other opinions other than the left.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Thank you Eric. By the way, I was with a
friend group over the weekend and I was sitting with
a dad. He had his twenty one year old daughter
and his seventeen year old daughter there, so we had
a big table and she asked me how she could
find the show. She had never listened to a show
on rate. I mean, I just thought it was really crazy,
(33:53):
but I understand for people out there who are listening
to us right now. You've been listening to radio your
whole life. This twenty one year old girl, college girl,
was like, so, how does that work? Exactly? Like she
doesn't have a car. She rides around in Uber's by
and largely the idea of how to get radio it
was I was having to explain I just anyway. There
are a lot of people out there like that that
are super active on TikTok, super active on Instagram, but
(34:16):
are not necessarily going to be listening to a show
like this.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
So thank you, Ara, thanks so much. Play a great
to be here.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Look, Israel at war with Iran right now, and we're
going to talk and continue to talk about this and
why I think it's so significant to me. It's directly
connected to what happened on October seven, twenty twenty three,
and the brutal attack that Hamas launched to try to
propagate war. I think for generations to come in Israel,
and I traveled over there, I saw for my own eyes.
(34:44):
I think it's important to call out good, it's important
to call out evil, and it's important to understand what
exactly is going on. And there are a lot of
people out there that are in bomb shelters right now.
Israel is not a profoundly wealthy country top to bottom.
There's lots of work, lots of bomb shelters that need
to be made available for more, lots of protected cars,
lots of schools that need to be protected from the
(35:05):
bombs that are reigning down. You know this is crazy.
I never see anything like it when I was touring Israel.
They have to cover the elementary schools in many parts
of the country in concrete roofs that are built as
different parts, just to protect in the event that a
(35:26):
missile might arrive. Imagine living in America, where our elementary
schools had to be built with bomb proof roofs because
you never knew when a bomb might come. Why the
kids are in school. That's what they live with in
Israel because so many people, unfortunately are trying to kill
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