May 29, 2024 • 36 mins
How long will Trump jury deliberations go? Don Jr. blasts Democrat lawfare. Legal analysts on Trump trial. How will history look back at this moment? Appeal to Heaven flag flew outside San Francisco City Hall until last Saturday. Leftists go after the spouses of conservative justices. Dr. Jill Biden says the election choice is good over evil. De Niro wore mask at outdoor presser. The decline of the movie industry.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, welcome in our number three Wednesday edition of the program.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we
are running through a lot of different stories, some of
which have been breaking during the course of today's program.
So if you just get in your cars, let me
give you a little bit of an idea about what's
going on. The Trump trial in New York City, the
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Alvin Bragg business records case is now to the jury.
They have been deliberating for a few hours now. They
are scheduled to deliberate until four point thirty Eastern today,
so a little bit over two hours the left in
which they could be deliberating. General idea there, the faster
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they come back, the better it is for the prosecution,
and the worse it is for Trump. Now, that is
not always true. Sometimes a jury goes and deliberates. It
just means that there is a unanimous decision reached very quickly.
Sometimes they not guilty verdict can come back very quickly too.
But looking at this jury pool, a not guilty verdict
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would be stunning. I would put it at a one
percent or lower chance. So the more rapidly this comes back.
You just heard Buck and I giving you our ideas
of how we think this will play out. Buck says
that he thinks there'll be a verdict by the end
of the week. I think that Judge Merchand is going
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to say, hey, you guys have to keep fighting this out.
If there's going to be a mistrial or a hung
jury more accurately described, they will come back and say, Judge,
we just can't reach a verdict. We've got a hung jury,
and he'll say, hey, you guys have to go fight
it out a little bit longer. I don't know how
long that process would take, but to me, it would
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have to go into next week.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
See to me, if you have a holdout, you have
a holdout, you know what I'm saying. If you're not,
if you're not down for the Trump conviction pretty much
right away, I don't think they're gonna be able to
convince you otherwise. But look, we're not in there. Maybe
these individuals really think that if they sit around and
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talk about this and think about it long enough. I mean,
I remember, we are hyper opinionated, Clay, That is one
thing that can be said for us.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Hyper opinionated.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
A lot of people, aren't, you know, they're kind of
like yeah, you know, let's talk about it.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Let's let's sort of sit around and see.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Uh, maybe there's there's more of a of a desire
to try to reach consensus among some of these jury
members than we would anticipate.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
But all that set what's up now. I was just
gonna say, if you and I had been sitting on
this jury, even given the fact that we are opinionated,
I think we would have already had our minds made
up before the closing arguments were given by either side,
because they had a full week to sit around and think,
basically long weekend before these arguments get made. I think
(02:58):
almost I don't buy into the fact that there's going
to be that much debate. I think most jurors have
already made up their minds and when they go in there,
I agree with you, I think it's highly unlikely that
they're going to change their opinions. I do think the
judge will go through the rigmarole of saying, hey, you
need to go back, let me read you the jury
(03:20):
instructions another time. It's strange to me that he's not
giving written copies personally of the jury instructions. That it's
very strange in my opinion. But I think it'll go
in the next week because I think we're going to
have a hung jury. I think there's going to be
one or more jurors maybe I'm overly optimistic here, that
are going to look at this and say, what is
to me quite clear the elements of the crime were
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not proven. You got two lawyers on this case. I
understand the pressure living in New York City. You understand
it better than anybody because you live there, and there
is going to be a lot of pressure to get
a guilty verdict. That's to me why De Niro and
Cruz showed up yesterday to try to just let it
be known that the pressure of effect was real. But
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I think there's going to be that this case wasn't proven,
and I have faith that at least one in the
twelve jurors will actually apply the law and do what
we want a jury to do, which has examined the
facts and accurately apply the law.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I am warmed in my in my heart by Clay's
faith in the system. Sadly I do not share it.
So we'll see what ends up happening here. I hope
he is correct and that someone sees what's going on
and has the backbone. Don Junior was out there making
the case for his dad's funny. I think sometimes people
forget that, you know, Don Trump has them. Trump's a grandfather,
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he's a father's a husband.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's this is this is a human being they're putting
through all this nonsense too, and Don Juior is understandably
both disgusted by all this and fired up about the
need to defend against it.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Play nine.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
This is a sham. It's insane, and it needs to stop.
Because if you think for one second that this ends
with Donald Trump, you have not been watching what's going
on in the Democrat Party in the last few years.
They want power at any and all costs. Your rights
be damned. That can't stand. That can't happen. This sham prosecution,
this insanity, this abomination has to stop now.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I think that's totally totally accurate. You go ahead, No,
I was going to say, and then we've got a
couple of more clips. Also wanted to remind people Justice Alito,
other big news that is out there, legally has decided
that he will not step down. Another big legal story
that a lot of you have been following all charges
in Louisville dropped against Scottie Scheffler. But we've been talking
about to me, this is an easy case if you've
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been paying attention to it. It hasn't been proven. And
NBC's Wara Jarrett says that she thinks the defense did
a really effective job making the case that this was
not a crime proven by the prosecution. Cut eleven.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I think the defense did a really effective job essentially
saying that idea that these records were falsified is, in
their words, just absurd. They said the way that they
actually put in the legal retainer language, which is the
thing that's actually false, is a drop down menu in
the accounting software trying to take the sting out of
the idea that this was some sort of criminal conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I think that's important. And then one more I am
I'll readily admit if I'm wrong, but it'll take a
couple of years because unfortunately, in the event of a conviction,
the appeal process is not going to be rapid. But
Jonathan Turley is saying what I've been saying, which is
this case is going to get tossed. I put it
at one hundred percent. It's rare that I say, I'm
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one hundred percent certain I think this case is going
to get tossed. I think there's several grounds.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But if it gets tossed next year, like, does that
really you know?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
No, I think that's I think that's the That's why
I hope that there is a juror that will point
out that there was.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
It's not really a silver like usually in a normal
criminal trial. I'm sitting here and saying, guys, this is
toast on appeal and we all know it. You're like, Okay,
so this guy's probably you know, he won't be in
prison pending appeal, and he'll be able to turn it.
But because this is an entirely time sensitive political exercise,
I don't think they can. I don't think Alvin Bragg
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cares if it gets overturned on appeal.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
That's kind of what I'm I get here on a
hundred percent right, And I think that's the Democrat party
calculus on all these cases is that they can brand
Trump as a convicted felon, and if that occurs, they
don't care what happens after the election, because if he wins,
he's president. Who cares if he loses? It just gets tossed.
But this is Jonathan Turley saying there are and I
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agree with him, a ton of reversible errors in this case.
And this is cut a.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
I think the choice to be a hung jury and
an outright conviction. I still think that this is such
a weak case. One has to give a nod to
a hung jury. But if there is a conviction, and
that would not necessarily supprise many of us, I know.
I don't think that this could make it through an
appeal before the election, at least to its final To
(08:08):
a final appeal, you can't just, I think, leap over
the New York appellate system try to get to the
Supreme Court. There are many, in my view, reversible errors here.
I think they're very serious. I think that Marshawn is
not going to be able to correct all of them
in these instructions.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And so I think his analogous is right. Again, I
just don't know how much it really ultimately matters, right.
I think that they're, you know, they're trying to get
him convicted so they can call him a convicted felon.
But I don't think that's going to do very much.
And then we still have the reporting that we don't
spend a lot of time on because I don't think
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that our brains can fully look into the world or
process ahead of time. If they actually try to put
Donald Trump in his self or any length of time,
like I know, we've discussed that it's possible, and people say, oh,
but what about the mugshot, And they've crossed all these
other rubicons, so there is no rubicon anymore. And I
get all of that, but there's something else at work here.
(09:13):
We've actually crossed into a very dark period for the country,
darker than it is right now. If Donald Trump is
incarcerated for any length of time now, it goes from
like a three to a four alarm fire. I don't
know how many alarms is the max. I think it's five, right,
but it's like a four alarm fire situation if they
put Trump in prison.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I want to go back. We had a good caller
I think, at the end of the first hour, asking
how history would judge this, and we both both answered
it and we were going to break. But one hundred
years from now, I believe that precedent will matter far more,
and that all of the Democrats will be judged as
severely lacking here and some of you out there may
(09:53):
not have the same faith in the long reach of
history that I do. I'm a history nerd. I've been
reading all about this start of the American Civil War.
Interesting book that's out about Fort Sumter from the guy
who wrote about in the Garden of the Beast. I
can't remember this guy's name. You know what I'm talking about.
(10:14):
He just wrote about book. Yeah, and he also just
wrote the book about the bombing campaign of Britain during
World War Larson, Eric Larson, has got a book out
about Fort Sumter in the start of the American Civil War,
and I'm about three hundred and fifty pages or so
into it. And I'm not endorsing that in one hundred percent.
(10:35):
I've read basically every major Civil war book there is.
Raggered alert, nerd alert. But it's interesting and over time
history gets it right as long as you have freedom
of speech and as long as you have basic freedoms
in a country, and I think we still will one
hundred years from now. I'm an optimist. And much like
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you look back on let's say Korum, or you look
back on the dread Scott decision, and you say those
were horribly rendered justice opinions. I think the Supreme Court's
actually doing a pretty good job of handling the tempest
of the current moment and considering everything in the context
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of larger precedent, and Democrats are not. They're allowing their
emotions to rule. And as Benjamin Franklin said, when passions rule,
they often rule poorly, and I'm paraphrasing him there, and
I think that's what's going on with Democrats. I think
they have so convinced themselves that Trump is Hitler that
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they have lost all conception of reality. And to be
fair to them, if you really did think that Trump
was Hitler, and I do believe that many of them
have lost their wits, there's almost nothing you would do
to try to stop Hitler. The problem is they've allowed
their emotional derangement associated with Trump to color their logic
and reason. And I think the Supreme Court has actually
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done a pretty good job handling many of these excesses
of the age. The problem is the Court often is
happening months or years after the incidents themselves. So I
think history will judge Biden and the Democrats very poorly,
but we'll all be gone before we know. The ultimate
verdict of history, which is why I don't sit around
(12:23):
a lot worried about what people who I'm never going
to know are going to think about me.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Well, and what I meant to get to there we
were up against. The break is just if Trump manages
to win after all this. Yeah, these efforts are both
defeated and look pathetic, I think historically.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Well, it also depends on how good of a president
he is. Right if we go into World War three
and everything falls apart, that people will say I mean, honestly,
this was the biggest disappointment to me of Jan six,
not what actually happened, but because left wingers who had
said Trump is an evil dictator had something they could
latch onto to argue Trump is an evil dictator. Otherwise,
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the whole four years of the Trump administration, of the
things that he controlled, did a really good job. He
didn't it got screwed on COVID. Otherwise I think he
would have won comfortably in twenty twenty. Yeah, that's the
funny thing about all this.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
If Trump wins again in a lot of ways, in
a lot of ways, not always, but you'd have a
pretty a pretty standard American presidency in you know, in
a lot of respects.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yes, it wouldn't be as crazy. It's not that crazy.
You go back, you look at what went on.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You know, get some tax cuts, probably boosted economy, but
you know, oh.
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My gosh, not tax cuts.
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Speaker 2 (15:05):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. I just want to
note something for all of you out there. We had
discussed before the New York Times in death investigation of
the temporary appearance of an appeal to Heaven flag outside
of one of the Alito homes several years ago. This
(15:25):
was a very important start at the New York Times,
and they felt that Alito should recuse himself because you.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Know, they hate him.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Alito has already said he will not, And then we
started talking about this Appeal to Heaven flag. I mentioned
that it appeared, you know, in the John Adams HBO documentary,
and that it has roots in the American Revolution and
was used by Massachusetts as its maritime flag for a
period of years. But Clay has found something even more
(15:54):
shocking that in the most right wing, ultra right wing
nationalist precincts of America, apparently the appeal to Heaven flag
is still on public display on public property. Where did
they find an appeal to Heaven flag?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Clay exclusive, and I'm reading this from the San Francisco
Chronicle reporter, guess where else? The Appeal to Heaven flag
of the Alito Vacation Home fame flew in recent years
outside San Francisco City Hall until this past Saturday. So
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they spent all this time telling you, oh my goodness,
this is a far right wing, completely unacceptable flag. It
flew outside of the San Francisco City Hall for decades,
and no one cared.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
The flag flew for decades, decades outside of San Francisco
City Hall. Do you mean to tell me all this
time that San Francisco has been a hotbed of right
wing ultranationalist sentiment and an election denihilism. San Francisco has
been posing as some kind of a left wing loony
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bin Clay.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
They had us all fools. This is so perfect. Decades
outside of the San Francisco City Hall, they tried to
tell you at the New York Times that this was unprecedented,
that this flag was totally unacceptable. And of course what
they'll say is and this whole thing is crazy, But
they'll say, well, the flag has now been co opted
(17:40):
by people who come on, stop, just stop. A flag
can mean many different things to many different people. The
only flag that the Alitos flew that I was personally
offended by Philadelphia Phillies. I can't support that in any respect.
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back in Clay, Travis, Buck Sexton show a couple of
different things to hit here in the moment, we're gonna
play Doctor Jill Biden, she went on view the dumbest
show on television. Not a surprise that that's where she
chose to do. I did want to mention this because
(19:05):
we talked about Justice Alito refusing to recuse himself, and
I'm sure this will factor in with you also in
your thoughts. Sometimes being the family member of the person
that is outspoken is super difficult. And I say that
I've been buried for almost twenty years. You and I
(19:26):
Buck have an incredible privilege where we get to come
on the radio and say exactly what we think and
we're judged for what we say. But there are other
people surrounding us, moms, dads, wives, kids, that also are
in the public eye, but don't have the opportunity to
come and talk every single day to all of you.
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So one of the things that strikes me about the
Alito case in general is, yes, Justice Alito is on
the Supreme Court, but his wife also has the right
to have opinions. And so this idea in general, which
I see happening a lot where you're not even trying
(20:08):
to attack it happened to Amy Cony Barrett today with
Rolling Stone coming after who he represents as an attorney.
It is to me really unfair when the family member
is attacked and the family member is not in the
direct line of fire. Here whether and I'm not talking look,
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sometimes there are situations where the family member wants to
be in the line of fire. Right, Hunter Biden is
trying to make as much money off his dad. He
owes his entire business to his dad. Existing Justice Alito's
family has a beach house because her mom, according to
the letter, because the family got an inheritance, and the
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wife decided she wanted to buy a beach house for
her family. She likes to fly flags, and they've tried
to turn that into some incredibly ill intentioned and now
it's the same flags that San Francisco has been flying.
It's just so fundamentally dishonest.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Well, they've they've done this many times, you know, they've
they pulled the whole thing where they've tried to say
the different hand gestures that people make for a whole
variety of reasons are actually like a white nationalist, Uh yeah,
white supremacists.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And the camera.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
They've tried, like they've tried this so many times and
and you really, you can't make this stuff up. It's
beyond parody. They've even had to write articles they're.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Like, I'm scared by all the American flags I'm seeing
these days.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
You know, some some shrill lib who doesn't currently have
a Ukraine flag to fly or a BLM square to
post or whatever, is terrified by American flags. But this
is nothing new. As I said, Claire, they've been they've
been going after Ginny Thomas, the Virginia Thomas, you know,
the wife of a justice Clarence Thomas forever. I mean
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they they try to pressure family members.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
You'll know. They never do this to left wing judges.
They're not.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
They're never saying, oh, you know, the husband of or
the wife of so and so is in some way
grounds for a refusal of this. But this is one
of the games they play. It's just about power. They
don't really care about any of the principles and and
anything having to do with refusal in any meaningful sense.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
And then there's another.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
One, doctor doctor Jill Biden. And as has been pointed out,
she did not even do a doctoral thesis. She did
some other thing, which I think is pretty funny. But
she's speaking out on behalf of Joe Biden. I'm just
gonna say she's acting as a political surrogate here, right.
This is not this is not her, Yes, this is
(22:43):
not like I don't want little kids to be fat
in school, so let's have everybody eat healthier, or like
stop bullying. I think Milania Trump was like doing a
stop bullying campaign, right, Like I think first ladies or
first husbands in the case of Doug el Elmhoff or whatever.
I think that they're allowed to do eral interest things
and you know, we shouldn't like spend time attacking them
(23:03):
for that. But the left doesn't play by any roles.
They'll attack anybody who's a spouse of somebody on the right.
So that's I understand that. But here is doctor Jill
Biden taking a break from her rounds of cardiology at
a major hospital. I'm sure here she is telling everybody
that Trump can't even speak the sentences and stuff. Listen, Oh,
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do I need to call.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
For the numbers.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
We are going to meet people where they are. We're
going to go to college campuses, We're going to go
to just every state that we can get into. I've
been traveling every single day. Joe has been traveling as
much as he's as possible. And we're not going to
take anything for granted. And those polls are going to turn.
I'm confident of it, because as time goes on and
as people start to focus a little bit more about
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what's at stake and start to become educated on the
issues and the differences between the two men, I believe
that America are going to choose good over evil.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Good over evil. Hmm, That's that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
That's whoa good over evil? For a first lady. To
your point, Michelle Obama, Laura Bush, they really tried in
general to do things that were not particularly political. And
that's why typically the first lady's overall approval rating is
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far higher than the president because they try to avoid
Milania too aggressively political commentary. Calling your opponents evil is
not the way to heal the soul of the nation.
Remember when Joe Biden ran on twenty twenty with that
was the idea of what he was going to do,
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and then he sends his wife out to the view
to say the polls are going to turn, which is
interesting because it acknowledges what you and I have been
saying for some time, which is things are not going
well for Joe Biden right now, and Trump is evil
and Trump's supporters are evil. That is, I think, not
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going to strike many people very well. This is overtly
political in nature. It's extremely partisan's tearing down the opposition.
Do you ever remember hearing Milania Trump describe the opponents
of her husband as evil? I don't. I don't remember
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Milania Trump out on the hustings, so to speak, making
the political arguments. I don't even remember. Michelle Obama or
Laura Bush floating comments like these in the twenty first century. Now,
Hillary Clinton is a little bit different because she is
a political figure in her own right. I mean, she
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ran for sentence you're in and for president. Even when
Bill Clinton won election in ninety two and ninety six,
she was a very political figure. He put his wife
in charge of trying to fix healthcare all of those things.
So that's a whit hold on a brick.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
But this is he Sorry, I know, I know, I'm
totally I'm totally just sidetracking this here. I just saw
a video though, as I was trying to look for
something else we're talking about. De Niro was wearing a
mask outside the court.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
You didn't hear me talking about this yesterday. I was
making fun of him.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
You did say this yesterday. I feel like I forgot then.
I didn't see the video. He's walking mask outside. Yeah,
that's one of the reasons why this was such a joke. Yesterday.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
He showed up in an N ninety five surrounded by
a crowd, took off the mask to address the crowd,
and then at some point put the mask back on.
I just we talked about this.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Some bear Honestly, the mask is more It's a bigger
symbol at this point than dyed purple hair and seven
nose rings, Like it tells us everything we need to
know about your state of mind.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Well, and also we talked about this off air. This
is when we started the show talking about how a
disastrous of a decision that was to have a Biden
Harris rally press conference effectively outside of the court yesterday.
But I think Joe Biden had to sign off on
this because I can't imagine if you're hemorrhaging support among
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young voters and not doing well with black and Hispanic voters.
For instance, that Robert de Niro, eighty year old white
guy who has been fairly a movie star for a
long time. That feels like someone that Joe Biden would
be impressed by in the same way that if you
(27:47):
told me forty years from now, you or I were
president of the United States and I don't know we
had Chris Hemsworth show up as our advocate now eighty
years old, I don't even know who's the most famous
actor of roughly forty years old. Now, we don't have
superstars in the same way. I mean Tom Cruise is famous,
(28:08):
but he's sixty. Like, who's the most famous forty year
old male actor in America right now?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Is Aflac Gosling or one of those guys, right, who's
the guy who plays Deadpool? That's Ryan Reynolds, Ryan Reynolds.
They're the same guy though they're the same.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
But yeah, I mean, but but yeah, I mean Deadpool.
They that might be the answer, the Ryan Reynolds. I
think it's Ryan Reynolds, right, yeah, we actually found it's
a multi billion dollar company or it was like a
fairly smart guy. So maybe's famous. I'm saying his famous. Yeah, No,
I mean I think there aren't as many. I like
I think of male superstars. I'm like Denzel brad Pitt,
will Smith even though he's gone off the reservation. Uh,
(28:46):
you know, Tom Cruise. We aren't breeding and creating superstars
in film in the same way that we did in
past generations. Maybe DiCaprio is the answer, Leonardo Dicaprios. That hurts,
That hurts is the answer?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Though right it probably it probably for roughly our age,
DiCaprio is the most famous act Movies are not are
not the They were the dominant political I mean, sorry,
the dominant American art form. The most cultural impact I
think came from movies, certainly, I would say, you know,
maybe going back to the eighties until the maybe twenty
(29:22):
ten period. But the age of flat you know, fifty
inch inexpensive high death, flat screen streaming off of why
it's just changed. Man, I mean you talk I saw
your tweet on this.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You want to talk to this week? Come back. We'll
talk about it when we come back. Let's want to
go see movies for Memorial Day weekend, which is the
traditional start of the movie summer calendar. I mean I
I The last movie I went to.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Was Ferrari on my birthday, and I wanted to carve
my eyeballs out with a spoon because it was such.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
A horrible movie.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
And I'm like, what it costs like one hundred dollars
to go with my brothers and my dad. You know,
the popcorn is garbage compared to what I can make
in two minutes at home. Yeah, and if I want
to go to the bathroom break, I pressed pause.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
You know what I'm saying. Anyway, we should talk about this.
I do because I was super fired up. I got
the kids down here at the beach. I was like,
let's go see a movie. It's a Memorial Day weekend,
start of the summer blockbuster season, and I felt I
looked at the list of movies and I couldn't believe
how awful they all looked. And I bet a lot
of you remember this. And it compared to when I
(30:26):
was a kid in the eighties and the nineties, there
were tons of movies you'd have to it was difficult
to pick which movie you were gonna go see. They
made so many good ones coming out during summer. There's
hardly any that I'm interested in seeing. And maybe that's
because we got low levels of testosterone all over the country.
Nobody will take a risk anymore. It's like they're competing
(30:47):
to make the weakest, least interesting movie out there, right.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
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(33:24):
the movies here for a second. I got to look
at where the movie theater stocks are because I got
to figure that it's going to be a tough time
for movie theaters going forward. It's when you add up
all that headache. First of all, the notion you have
to be somewhere at a certain set time even to
watch a movie. It's not a Broadway play like, it's
not quite the same kind of event.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I remember.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Back in the nineties early nineties going to a movie
with my family when it was first coming out, and
it was a big movie, like the first remember the
the Michael Keaton Batman. Oh n that was that was
a huge movie when that came out. I remember going
to see Jurassic Park with my parents and my whole
family and seeing that the Zigfeld Theater in New York
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City and the giant speakers.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
And that was so cool.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Movies used to be an experience that you couldn't replicate
at all at home. Now you can, and you don't
have people talking. What is it with people think that
when the when the music gets loud or the sound
gets loud, you can you get start to do the
loud whisper thing no no, no, and pulling their phones out,
and it's just it's you know, I don't know, I
(34:32):
don't I don't go to I don't go to movies anymore.
I'm kind of out. I watch movies I just don't
go to the movie theater anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I love going to the movie theater. And staff looked
this up and and and crew confirmed that I'm gonding
you still do though, you still do still want taking
my boys like to go see a movie, love the experience.
Uh even today, I would still I was one of
the diehards that would still be willing to go to
(34:59):
the movie when everybody else was convinced they were gonna
die of COVID. I couldn't wait for the movie theaters
to be back open. I think they opened back up
in like May or June where I am. I was
right back in the theater as soon as I could be,
even when they were showing old eighties and nineties movies
because they didn't have any new movies to be able
to watch. What was the uh was what was the
(35:20):
movie that came out that was like the first movie
to come back out after COVID? That was a I
know we had Top Gun Maverick, but the Interstellar guy.
Uh didn't he come out with a movie? Is an inception?
Is that the movie that came out for? What was it?
No one who had it's It's Denzel Washington's son and
(35:43):
it was about the theater getting taken over, and it's
kind of a thriller and you could change. That was
the first real new release to come back out after COVID,
and I feel like that was I don't remember when
that came out, but I remember being super excited to
go see it. I wanted to go this weekend. I
got my phone out, I pulled up the Fandango app.
(36:05):
Movies to Fail. It's unbelievable how awful they were.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Tenant is the movie that you're ten I al wish
I never saw. I know nothing about it.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
It's good.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I'm not making good movies anymore. But they're not making
good movies because the whole industry has changed. Because people
aren't paying twenty bucks a person to go sit in
the theater the way they used to. They want to
sit at home and stream it. That's just the reality.
My couch is so much more comfortable than a movie theater.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I want to be in the movie theater with really
good movies out again, like in the eighties and like
in the nineties. I think that Hollywood has just destroyed
itself by being more concerned with politics than story. Just
get back to telling me good stories. That's all I want.
Oh, welcome in our number three Wednesday edition of the program.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we
are running through a lot of different stories, some of
which have been breaking during the course of today's program.
So if you just get in your cars, let me
give you a little bit of an idea about what's
going on. The Trump trial in New York City, the
(00:23):
Alvin Bragg business records case is now to the jury.
They have been deliberating for a few hours now. They
are scheduled to deliberate until four point thirty Eastern today,
so a little bit over two hours the left in
which they could be deliberating. General idea there, the faster
(00:47):
they come back, the better it is for the prosecution,
and the worse it is for Trump. Now, that is
not always true. Sometimes a jury goes and deliberates. It
just means that there is a unanimous decision reached very quickly.
Sometimes they not guilty verdict can come back very quickly too.
But looking at this jury pool, a not guilty verdict
(01:10):
would be stunning. I would put it at a one
percent or lower chance. So the more rapidly this comes back.
You just heard Buck and I giving you our ideas
of how we think this will play out. Buck says
that he thinks there'll be a verdict by the end
of the week. I think that Judge Merchand is going
(01:32):
to say, hey, you guys have to keep fighting this out.
If there's going to be a mistrial or a hung
jury more accurately described, they will come back and say, Judge,
we just can't reach a verdict. We've got a hung jury,
and he'll say, hey, you guys have to go fight
it out a little bit longer. I don't know how
long that process would take, but to me, it would
(01:52):
have to go into next week.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
See to me, if you have a holdout, you have
a holdout, you know what I'm saying. If you're not,
if you're not down for the Trump conviction pretty much
right away, I don't think they're gonna be able to
convince you otherwise. But look, we're not in there. Maybe
these individuals really think that if they sit around and
(02:14):
talk about this and think about it long enough. I mean,
I remember, we are hyper opinionated, Clay, That is one
thing that can be said for us.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Hyper opinionated.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
A lot of people, aren't, you know, they're kind of
like yeah, you know, let's talk about it.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Let's let's sort of sit around and see.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Uh, maybe there's there's more of a of a desire
to try to reach consensus among some of these jury
members than we would anticipate.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
But all that set what's up now. I was just
gonna say, if you and I had been sitting on
this jury, even given the fact that we are opinionated,
I think we would have already had our minds made
up before the closing arguments were given by either side,
because they had a full week to sit around and think,
basically long weekend before these arguments get made. I think
(02:58):
almost I don't buy into the fact that there's going
to be that much debate. I think most jurors have
already made up their minds and when they go in there,
I agree with you, I think it's highly unlikely that
they're going to change their opinions. I do think the
judge will go through the rigmarole of saying, hey, you
need to go back, let me read you the jury
(03:20):
instructions another time. It's strange to me that he's not
giving written copies personally of the jury instructions. That it's
very strange in my opinion. But I think it'll go
in the next week because I think we're going to
have a hung jury. I think there's going to be
one or more jurors maybe I'm overly optimistic here, that
are going to look at this and say, what is
to me quite clear the elements of the crime were
(03:42):
not proven. You got two lawyers on this case. I
understand the pressure living in New York City. You understand
it better than anybody because you live there, and there
is going to be a lot of pressure to get
a guilty verdict. That's to me why De Niro and
Cruz showed up yesterday to try to just let it
be known that the pressure of effect was real. But
(04:03):
I think there's going to be that this case wasn't proven,
and I have faith that at least one in the
twelve jurors will actually apply the law and do what
we want a jury to do, which has examined the
facts and accurately apply the law.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I am warmed in my in my heart by Clay's
faith in the system. Sadly I do not share it.
So we'll see what ends up happening here. I hope
he is correct and that someone sees what's going on
and has the backbone. Don Junior was out there making
the case for his dad's funny. I think sometimes people
forget that, you know, Don Trump has them. Trump's a grandfather,
(04:39):
he's a father's a husband.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's this is this is a human being they're putting
through all this nonsense too, and Don Juior is understandably
both disgusted by all this and fired up about the
need to defend against it.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Play nine.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
This is a sham. It's insane, and it needs to stop.
Because if you think for one second that this ends
with Donald Trump, you have not been watching what's going
on in the Democrat Party in the last few years.
They want power at any and all costs. Your rights
be damned. That can't stand. That can't happen. This sham prosecution,
this insanity, this abomination has to stop now.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I think that's totally totally accurate. You go ahead, No,
I was going to say, and then we've got a
couple of more clips. Also wanted to remind people Justice Alito,
other big news that is out there, legally has decided
that he will not step down. Another big legal story
that a lot of you have been following all charges
in Louisville dropped against Scottie Scheffler. But we've been talking
about to me, this is an easy case if you've
(05:38):
been paying attention to it. It hasn't been proven. And
NBC's Wara Jarrett says that she thinks the defense did
a really effective job making the case that this was
not a crime proven by the prosecution. Cut eleven.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I think the defense did a really effective job essentially
saying that idea that these records were falsified is, in
their words, just absurd. They said the way that they
actually put in the legal retainer language, which is the
thing that's actually false, is a drop down menu in
the accounting software trying to take the sting out of
the idea that this was some sort of criminal conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I think that's important. And then one more I am
I'll readily admit if I'm wrong, but it'll take a
couple of years because unfortunately, in the event of a conviction,
the appeal process is not going to be rapid. But
Jonathan Turley is saying what I've been saying, which is
this case is going to get tossed. I put it
at one hundred percent. It's rare that I say, I'm
(06:39):
one hundred percent certain I think this case is going
to get tossed. I think there's several grounds.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But if it gets tossed next year, like, does that
really you know?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
No, I think that's I think that's the That's why
I hope that there is a juror that will point
out that there was.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
It's not really a silver like usually in a normal
criminal trial. I'm sitting here and saying, guys, this is
toast on appeal and we all know it. You're like, Okay,
so this guy's probably you know, he won't be in
prison pending appeal, and he'll be able to turn it.
But because this is an entirely time sensitive political exercise,
I don't think they can. I don't think Alvin Bragg
(07:16):
cares if it gets overturned on appeal.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
That's kind of what I'm I get here on a
hundred percent right, And I think that's the Democrat party
calculus on all these cases is that they can brand
Trump as a convicted felon, and if that occurs, they
don't care what happens after the election, because if he wins,
he's president. Who cares if he loses? It just gets tossed.
But this is Jonathan Turley saying there are and I
(07:40):
agree with him, a ton of reversible errors in this case.
And this is cut a.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
I think the choice to be a hung jury and
an outright conviction. I still think that this is such
a weak case. One has to give a nod to
a hung jury. But if there is a conviction, and
that would not necessarily supprise many of us, I know.
I don't think that this could make it through an
appeal before the election, at least to its final To
(08:08):
a final appeal, you can't just, I think, leap over
the New York appellate system try to get to the
Supreme Court. There are many, in my view, reversible errors here.
I think they're very serious. I think that Marshawn is
not going to be able to correct all of them
in these instructions.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And so I think his analogous is right. Again, I
just don't know how much it really ultimately matters, right.
I think that they're, you know, they're trying to get
him convicted so they can call him a convicted felon.
But I don't think that's going to do very much.
And then we still have the reporting that we don't
spend a lot of time on because I don't think
(08:50):
that our brains can fully look into the world or
process ahead of time. If they actually try to put
Donald Trump in his self or any length of time,
like I know, we've discussed that it's possible, and people say, oh,
but what about the mugshot, And they've crossed all these
other rubicons, so there is no rubicon anymore. And I
get all of that, but there's something else at work here.
(09:13):
We've actually crossed into a very dark period for the country,
darker than it is right now. If Donald Trump is
incarcerated for any length of time now, it goes from
like a three to a four alarm fire. I don't
know how many alarms is the max. I think it's five, right,
but it's like a four alarm fire situation if they
put Trump in prison.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I want to go back. We had a good caller
I think, at the end of the first hour, asking
how history would judge this, and we both both answered
it and we were going to break. But one hundred
years from now, I believe that precedent will matter far more,
and that all of the Democrats will be judged as
severely lacking here and some of you out there may
(09:53):
not have the same faith in the long reach of
history that I do. I'm a history nerd. I've been
reading all about this start of the American Civil War.
Interesting book that's out about Fort Sumter from the guy
who wrote about in the Garden of the Beast. I
can't remember this guy's name. You know what I'm talking about.
(10:14):
He just wrote about book. Yeah, and he also just
wrote the book about the bombing campaign of Britain during
World War Larson, Eric Larson, has got a book out
about Fort Sumter in the start of the American Civil War,
and I'm about three hundred and fifty pages or so
into it. And I'm not endorsing that in one hundred percent.
(10:35):
I've read basically every major Civil war book there is.
Raggered alert, nerd alert. But it's interesting and over time
history gets it right as long as you have freedom
of speech and as long as you have basic freedoms
in a country, and I think we still will one
hundred years from now. I'm an optimist. And much like
(10:58):
you look back on let's say Korum, or you look
back on the dread Scott decision, and you say those
were horribly rendered justice opinions. I think the Supreme Court's
actually doing a pretty good job of handling the tempest
of the current moment and considering everything in the context
(11:18):
of larger precedent, and Democrats are not. They're allowing their
emotions to rule. And as Benjamin Franklin said, when passions rule,
they often rule poorly, and I'm paraphrasing him there, and
I think that's what's going on with Democrats. I think
they have so convinced themselves that Trump is Hitler that
(11:39):
they have lost all conception of reality. And to be
fair to them, if you really did think that Trump
was Hitler, and I do believe that many of them
have lost their wits, there's almost nothing you would do
to try to stop Hitler. The problem is they've allowed
their emotional derangement associated with Trump to color their logic
and reason. And I think the Supreme Court has actually
(12:01):
done a pretty good job handling many of these excesses
of the age. The problem is the Court often is
happening months or years after the incidents themselves. So I
think history will judge Biden and the Democrats very poorly,
but we'll all be gone before we know. The ultimate
verdict of history, which is why I don't sit around
(12:23):
a lot worried about what people who I'm never going
to know are going to think about me.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Well, and what I meant to get to there we
were up against. The break is just if Trump manages
to win after all this. Yeah, these efforts are both
defeated and look pathetic, I think historically.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Well, it also depends on how good of a president
he is. Right if we go into World War three
and everything falls apart, that people will say I mean, honestly,
this was the biggest disappointment to me of Jan six,
not what actually happened, but because left wingers who had
said Trump is an evil dictator had something they could
latch onto to argue Trump is an evil dictator. Otherwise,
(13:00):
the whole four years of the Trump administration, of the
things that he controlled, did a really good job. He
didn't it got screwed on COVID. Otherwise I think he
would have won comfortably in twenty twenty. Yeah, that's the
funny thing about all this.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
If Trump wins again in a lot of ways, in
a lot of ways, not always, but you'd have a
pretty a pretty standard American presidency in you know, in
a lot of respects.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yes, it wouldn't be as crazy. It's not that crazy.
You go back, you look at what went on.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You know, get some tax cuts, probably boosted economy, but
you know, oh.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
My gosh, not tax cuts.
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Speaker 2 (15:05):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. I just want to
note something for all of you out there. We had
discussed before the New York Times in death investigation of
the temporary appearance of an appeal to Heaven flag outside
of one of the Alito homes several years ago. This
(15:25):
was a very important start at the New York Times,
and they felt that Alito should recuse himself because you.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Know, they hate him.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Alito has already said he will not, And then we
started talking about this Appeal to Heaven flag. I mentioned
that it appeared, you know, in the John Adams HBO documentary,
and that it has roots in the American Revolution and
was used by Massachusetts as its maritime flag for a
period of years. But Clay has found something even more
(15:54):
shocking that in the most right wing, ultra right wing
nationalist precincts of America, apparently the appeal to Heaven flag
is still on public display on public property. Where did
they find an appeal to Heaven flag?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Clay exclusive, and I'm reading this from the San Francisco
Chronicle reporter, guess where else? The Appeal to Heaven flag
of the Alito Vacation Home fame flew in recent years
outside San Francisco City Hall until this past Saturday. So
(16:37):
they spent all this time telling you, oh my goodness,
this is a far right wing, completely unacceptable flag. It
flew outside of the San Francisco City Hall for decades,
and no one cared.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
The flag flew for decades, decades outside of San Francisco
City Hall. Do you mean to tell me all this
time that San Francisco has been a hotbed of right
wing ultranationalist sentiment and an election denihilism. San Francisco has
been posing as some kind of a left wing loony
(17:17):
bin Clay.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
They had us all fools. This is so perfect. Decades
outside of the San Francisco City Hall, they tried to
tell you at the New York Times that this was unprecedented,
that this flag was totally unacceptable. And of course what
they'll say is and this whole thing is crazy, But
they'll say, well, the flag has now been co opted
(17:40):
by people who come on, stop, just stop. A flag
can mean many different things to many different people. The
only flag that the Alitos flew that I was personally
offended by Philadelphia Phillies. I can't support that in any respect.
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different things to hit here in the moment, we're gonna
play Doctor Jill Biden, she went on view the dumbest
show on television. Not a surprise that that's where she
chose to do. I did want to mention this because
(19:05):
we talked about Justice Alito refusing to recuse himself, and
I'm sure this will factor in with you also in
your thoughts. Sometimes being the family member of the person
that is outspoken is super difficult. And I say that
I've been buried for almost twenty years. You and I
(19:26):
Buck have an incredible privilege where we get to come
on the radio and say exactly what we think and
we're judged for what we say. But there are other
people surrounding us, moms, dads, wives, kids, that also are
in the public eye, but don't have the opportunity to
come and talk every single day to all of you.
(19:47):
So one of the things that strikes me about the
Alito case in general is, yes, Justice Alito is on
the Supreme Court, but his wife also has the right
to have opinions. And so this idea in general, which
I see happening a lot where you're not even trying
(20:08):
to attack it happened to Amy Cony Barrett today with
Rolling Stone coming after who he represents as an attorney.
It is to me really unfair when the family member
is attacked and the family member is not in the
direct line of fire. Here whether and I'm not talking look,
(20:28):
sometimes there are situations where the family member wants to
be in the line of fire. Right, Hunter Biden is
trying to make as much money off his dad. He
owes his entire business to his dad. Existing Justice Alito's
family has a beach house because her mom, according to
the letter, because the family got an inheritance, and the
(20:51):
wife decided she wanted to buy a beach house for
her family. She likes to fly flags, and they've tried
to turn that into some incredibly ill intentioned and now
it's the same flags that San Francisco has been flying.
It's just so fundamentally dishonest.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Well, they've they've done this many times, you know, they've
they pulled the whole thing where they've tried to say
the different hand gestures that people make for a whole
variety of reasons are actually like a white nationalist, Uh yeah,
white supremacists.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And the camera.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
They've tried, like they've tried this so many times and
and you really, you can't make this stuff up. It's
beyond parody. They've even had to write articles they're.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Like, I'm scared by all the American flags I'm seeing
these days.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
You know, some some shrill lib who doesn't currently have
a Ukraine flag to fly or a BLM square to
post or whatever, is terrified by American flags. But this
is nothing new. As I said, Claire, they've been they've
been going after Ginny Thomas, the Virginia Thomas, you know,
the wife of a justice Clarence Thomas forever. I mean
(21:56):
they they try to pressure family members.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
You'll know. They never do this to left wing judges.
They're not.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
They're never saying, oh, you know, the husband of or
the wife of so and so is in some way
grounds for a refusal of this. But this is one
of the games they play. It's just about power. They
don't really care about any of the principles and and
anything having to do with refusal in any meaningful sense.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
And then there's another.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
One, doctor doctor Jill Biden. And as has been pointed out,
she did not even do a doctoral thesis. She did
some other thing, which I think is pretty funny. But
she's speaking out on behalf of Joe Biden. I'm just
gonna say she's acting as a political surrogate here, right.
This is not this is not her, Yes, this is
(22:43):
not like I don't want little kids to be fat
in school, so let's have everybody eat healthier, or like
stop bullying. I think Milania Trump was like doing a
stop bullying campaign, right, Like I think first ladies or
first husbands in the case of Doug el Elmhoff or whatever.
I think that they're allowed to do eral interest things
and you know, we shouldn't like spend time attacking them
(23:03):
for that. But the left doesn't play by any roles.
They'll attack anybody who's a spouse of somebody on the right.
So that's I understand that. But here is doctor Jill
Biden taking a break from her rounds of cardiology at
a major hospital. I'm sure here she is telling everybody
that Trump can't even speak the sentences and stuff. Listen, Oh,
(23:28):
do I need to call.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
For the numbers.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
We are going to meet people where they are. We're
going to go to college campuses, We're going to go
to just every state that we can get into. I've
been traveling every single day. Joe has been traveling as
much as he's as possible. And we're not going to
take anything for granted. And those polls are going to turn.
I'm confident of it, because as time goes on and
as people start to focus a little bit more about
(23:51):
what's at stake and start to become educated on the
issues and the differences between the two men, I believe
that America are going to choose good over evil.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Good over evil. Hmm, That's that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
That's whoa good over evil? For a first lady. To
your point, Michelle Obama, Laura Bush, they really tried in
general to do things that were not particularly political. And
that's why typically the first lady's overall approval rating is
(24:35):
far higher than the president because they try to avoid
Milania too aggressively political commentary. Calling your opponents evil is
not the way to heal the soul of the nation.
Remember when Joe Biden ran on twenty twenty with that
was the idea of what he was going to do,
(24:55):
and then he sends his wife out to the view
to say the polls are going to turn, which is
interesting because it acknowledges what you and I have been
saying for some time, which is things are not going
well for Joe Biden right now, and Trump is evil
and Trump's supporters are evil. That is, I think, not
(25:16):
going to strike many people very well. This is overtly
political in nature. It's extremely partisan's tearing down the opposition.
Do you ever remember hearing Milania Trump describe the opponents
of her husband as evil? I don't. I don't remember
(25:38):
Milania Trump out on the hustings, so to speak, making
the political arguments. I don't even remember. Michelle Obama or
Laura Bush floating comments like these in the twenty first century. Now,
Hillary Clinton is a little bit different because she is
a political figure in her own right. I mean, she
(25:59):
ran for sentence you're in and for president. Even when
Bill Clinton won election in ninety two and ninety six,
she was a very political figure. He put his wife
in charge of trying to fix healthcare all of those things.
So that's a whit hold on a brick.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
But this is he Sorry, I know, I know, I'm
totally I'm totally just sidetracking this here. I just saw
a video though, as I was trying to look for
something else we're talking about. De Niro was wearing a
mask outside the court.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
You didn't hear me talking about this yesterday. I was
making fun of him.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
You did say this yesterday. I feel like I forgot then.
I didn't see the video. He's walking mask outside. Yeah,
that's one of the reasons why this was such a joke. Yesterday.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
He showed up in an N ninety five surrounded by
a crowd, took off the mask to address the crowd,
and then at some point put the mask back on.
I just we talked about this.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Some bear Honestly, the mask is more It's a bigger
symbol at this point than dyed purple hair and seven
nose rings, Like it tells us everything we need to
know about your state of mind.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Well, and also we talked about this off air. This
is when we started the show talking about how a
disastrous of a decision that was to have a Biden
Harris rally press conference effectively outside of the court yesterday.
But I think Joe Biden had to sign off on
this because I can't imagine if you're hemorrhaging support among
(27:25):
young voters and not doing well with black and Hispanic voters.
For instance, that Robert de Niro, eighty year old white
guy who has been fairly a movie star for a
long time. That feels like someone that Joe Biden would
be impressed by in the same way that if you
(27:47):
told me forty years from now, you or I were
president of the United States and I don't know we
had Chris Hemsworth show up as our advocate now eighty
years old, I don't even know who's the most famous
actor of roughly forty years old. Now, we don't have
superstars in the same way. I mean Tom Cruise is famous,
(28:08):
but he's sixty. Like, who's the most famous forty year
old male actor in America right now?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Is Aflac Gosling or one of those guys, right, who's
the guy who plays Deadpool? That's Ryan Reynolds, Ryan Reynolds.
They're the same guy though they're the same.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
But yeah, I mean, but but yeah, I mean Deadpool.
They that might be the answer, the Ryan Reynolds. I
think it's Ryan Reynolds, right, yeah, we actually found it's
a multi billion dollar company or it was like a
fairly smart guy. So maybe's famous. I'm saying his famous. Yeah, No,
I mean I think there aren't as many. I like
I think of male superstars. I'm like Denzel brad Pitt,
will Smith even though he's gone off the reservation. Uh,
(28:46):
you know, Tom Cruise. We aren't breeding and creating superstars
in film in the same way that we did in
past generations. Maybe DiCaprio is the answer, Leonardo Dicaprios. That hurts,
That hurts is the answer?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Though right it probably it probably for roughly our age,
DiCaprio is the most famous act Movies are not are
not the They were the dominant political I mean, sorry,
the dominant American art form. The most cultural impact I
think came from movies, certainly, I would say, you know,
maybe going back to the eighties until the maybe twenty
(29:22):
ten period. But the age of flat you know, fifty
inch inexpensive high death, flat screen streaming off of why
it's just changed. Man, I mean you talk I saw
your tweet on this.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You want to talk to this week? Come back. We'll
talk about it when we come back. Let's want to
go see movies for Memorial Day weekend, which is the
traditional start of the movie summer calendar. I mean I
I The last movie I went to.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Was Ferrari on my birthday, and I wanted to carve
my eyeballs out with a spoon because it was such.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
A horrible movie.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
And I'm like, what it costs like one hundred dollars
to go with my brothers and my dad. You know,
the popcorn is garbage compared to what I can make
in two minutes at home. Yeah, and if I want
to go to the bathroom break, I pressed pause.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
You know what I'm saying. Anyway, we should talk about this.
I do because I was super fired up. I got
the kids down here at the beach. I was like,
let's go see a movie. It's a Memorial Day weekend,
start of the summer blockbuster season, and I felt I
looked at the list of movies and I couldn't believe
how awful they all looked. And I bet a lot
of you remember this. And it compared to when I
(30:26):
was a kid in the eighties and the nineties, there
were tons of movies you'd have to it was difficult
to pick which movie you were gonna go see. They
made so many good ones coming out during summer. There's
hardly any that I'm interested in seeing. And maybe that's
because we got low levels of testosterone all over the country.
Nobody will take a risk anymore. It's like they're competing
(30:47):
to make the weakest, least interesting movie out there, right.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I mean, de Niro, Daniro needs a male vitality stack.
He needs something. Walking around out there with his mask on,
you know, he might as well be a little girl
riding around.
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(33:24):
the movies here for a second. I got to look
at where the movie theater stocks are because I got
to figure that it's going to be a tough time
for movie theaters going forward. It's when you add up
all that headache. First of all, the notion you have
to be somewhere at a certain set time even to
watch a movie. It's not a Broadway play like, it's
not quite the same kind of event.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I remember.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Back in the nineties early nineties going to a movie
with my family when it was first coming out, and
it was a big movie, like the first remember the
the Michael Keaton Batman. Oh n that was that was
a huge movie when that came out. I remember going
to see Jurassic Park with my parents and my whole
family and seeing that the Zigfeld Theater in New York
(34:06):
City and the giant speakers.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
And that was so cool.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Movies used to be an experience that you couldn't replicate
at all at home. Now you can, and you don't
have people talking. What is it with people think that
when the when the music gets loud or the sound
gets loud, you can you get start to do the
loud whisper thing no no, no, and pulling their phones out,
and it's just it's you know, I don't know, I
(34:32):
don't I don't go to I don't go to movies anymore.
I'm kind of out. I watch movies I just don't
go to the movie theater anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I love going to the movie theater. And staff looked
this up and and and crew confirmed that I'm gonding
you still do though, you still do still want taking
my boys like to go see a movie, love the experience.
Uh even today, I would still I was one of
the diehards that would still be willing to go to
(34:59):
the movie when everybody else was convinced they were gonna
die of COVID. I couldn't wait for the movie theaters
to be back open. I think they opened back up
in like May or June where I am. I was
right back in the theater as soon as I could be,
even when they were showing old eighties and nineties movies
because they didn't have any new movies to be able
to watch. What was the uh was what was the
(35:20):
movie that came out that was like the first movie
to come back out after COVID? That was a I
know we had Top Gun Maverick, but the Interstellar guy.
Uh didn't he come out with a movie? Is an inception?
Is that the movie that came out for? What was it?
No one who had it's It's Denzel Washington's son and
(35:43):
it was about the theater getting taken over, and it's
kind of a thriller and you could change. That was
the first real new release to come back out after COVID,
and I feel like that was I don't remember when
that came out, but I remember being super excited to
go see it. I wanted to go this weekend. I
got my phone out, I pulled up the Fandango app.
(36:05):
Movies to Fail. It's unbelievable how awful they were.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Tenant is the movie that you're ten I al wish
I never saw. I know nothing about it.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
It's good.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I'm not making good movies anymore. But they're not making
good movies because the whole industry has changed. Because people
aren't paying twenty bucks a person to go sit in
the theater the way they used to. They want to
sit at home and stream it. That's just the reality.
My couch is so much more comfortable than a movie theater.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I want to be in the movie theater with really
good movies out again, like in the eighties and like
in the nineties. I think that Hollywood has just destroyed
itself by being more concerned with politics than story. Just
get back to telling me good stories. That's all I want.
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