March 30, 2023 • 37 mins
Fox News Sunday host and Fox News chief Supreme Court legal analyst Shannon Bream joined Clay and Buck to discuss her new book: The Love Stories of the Bible Speak and all the big legal and political stories in the news. Clay and Buck Trump-DeSantis poll. WSJ: Trump grand jury looking into payment to second woman, Karen McDougal. Manchin rips Biden.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Our three of Clay in Buck starts right now. Everybody,
just want to make a quick note for you. We
put up at clayon buck dot com a pole because
we want to know where all of you are on
this Ron descantists Donald Trump, who is your God? And
we have a pull up there also from the clay
en Buck Twitter account which we are retweeted. You can
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vote there will combine all the different votes non scientific poll.
Let you know what that snapshot of this audience's opinion
is at this stage of the primary and of the
presidential contest. And as promise, right now, we have our
friend Shannon Bream with us now Fox News Chief Supreme
Court Legal Analyst. She has a new book out, The
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Love Stories of the Bible speak Biblical lessons on romance, friendship,
and faith. It is coming out later this week. Shannon,
thank you so much for being with us. Clay it
is our buxcuse me Buck and eventually Clay. It's always
great to be all right, yep, yep, where we're both here.
Appreciate you being with us. So tell us, Shannon the
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Love Stories of the book. I just kind of want
to just tell us about this Love Stories of the patible,
So listen. A lot of times people are like, Okay,
what the heck could the Bible say about romance and
marriage and all that kind of stuff. But you know,
it's pretty steamy in portions, and it's not like God's
looking around like what are they doing down there? Like
he invented us. He knows that we're going to have
this desire to connect with other people, to be in relationships.
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So the book is yes about the romances and complicated
and sometimes messy relationships, but also friendships because I think
that's really so much of the fabric of our lives
that holds us together, the idea of community. But also
this came in to love your neighbor as yourself, which
is probably one of the hardest at times because there
aren't any outs or exceptions, and frankly, I think we
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could use a little bit more of that right now, Shannon,
do you think your husband is listening to you on
this program right now or watching opening day of Major
League Baseball? You know what I would say, if he
was not in the air on an airplane right now,
he would be listening to He'll be watching baseball. I
don't blame it. Braves are winning Braves are winning right now.
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You're you are married into the people. I don't know
if people know this. You'r Shannon Bream. Your brother, sorry,
your brother in law is Sid Bream, who is one
of the most iconic Atlanta Braves stars of all time
sliding into home plate. For everybody out there who remembers
that play, that is the connection. Your husband is is
Sidbream's brother. So yes, So I want everybody out there
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to know that since it's opening day in Major League Baseball.
So yes, you are killing it on Fox News Sunday.
But you also have a deep understanding of what has
gone on at the Supreme Court and also our legal
system in general. When you see what is going on
in New York City with Alvin Bragg, and by the way,
i'd encourage everybody to go buy that book. It's a
great gift as we get ready for certainly Mother's Day
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coming up and everything else. When you see what's going
on with Alvin Bragg and New York City and now
there's a one month pause, and everybody seemed to think, Oh,
Trump's gonna get charged, Trump's going to get charged. What
do you think's going on there? How would you read
the to you leaves well as a fellow lawyer, My friend,
I love hearing what you think about it's going on
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here too, because my question is, because grand juries are
supposed to be secret, that is for a lot of
good reasons. It allows the legal system to work in
a certain way. But when Robert Costello, the attorney, came
out who said, listen, I was hearing stuff that was
coming out. I didn't think it was accurate. He says.
At one point he represented Michael Cohen. Cohen says, that's
not the case. Be that as it may. Robert Costello
went and testified before the grand jury and said, listen,
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Cohen's either lying back then or he's lying now. And also,
you've seen six of more than three hundred relevant emails.
This is Costello making his case. There's a lot more
to this story. And and I think that there's pressure
from the right and the left, of course, on Bragg
to reconsider whether he moves forward with this, because I
think it's fair to say it's probably, from what we
know about these cases being done in secret, the weakest
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against the former president, and you know, to bring it
this far to try to get an indictment, but not
a conviction. It's only going to lend credence to President
Trump's argument that this is nothing but political, no doubt,
and building on that, I agree one hundred percent with
what you said Europe. In the DC area, I'm sure
you saw that there was a report about what was
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going on with the Supreme Court justices and the protests
outside of their homes. Those protests violate both federal and
state law, arguably in Maryland and in Virginia, but certainly
in the District of Columbia where some of those justices reside.
What did you think about that story and the fact
that there's arguments that they've purposely chosen not to hold
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those protesters accountable. It's really hard to understand because, gosh,
think about it was almost a year ago that we
had that leak, which immediately puts Yeah, I think it's
it's easy to argue some of these justices and lives
in danger. We have the one suspect who showed up
that apparently made a statement, according to police at one
point that he had showed up to hurt or to
kill Justice Kavanaugh, to potentially assassinate him. That case is ongoing,
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but we've always asked this question, why are these protesters
not being prosecuted because you don't have to make a
big Harry deal out of it, but why not at
least tickets some of them, maybe arrest some of them.
It might stop it. I say, in touch with a
number of these justices and I know what's going on,
and some of them still have protesters showing up at
their homes. That has not gone away. It has not stopped.
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So when you've got someone like Senator Katie Brick coming
out and bringing what she says are the receipts that
show the DJ was discouraging arresting those people, it sparks
all kinds of questions as to why. Speaking of Shannon Breem,
her book coming out this week is The Love Stories
of the Bible speak Biblical lessons on romance, friendship, and faith.
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You know, Shannon right now, client, I earlier today, I
should say, we're talking about how Jacob Chansley has been
released eighteen months early. Do you think I mean this
is a two part for you. Do you think that
the recent revelation of video foot instrument side the Capitol
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was a part of that early release. Once people saw
what Jacob chans they was really doing walking around, And
also does it strike you that it's a breach of
ethics on the prosecutorial side that, at least according to
defense attorneys, to be clear, this information, this exculpatory information,
was never provided to Chansley's legal team. Yeah, just in general,
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I think we all know this principle that if prosecutors
have exculpatory evidence, it has to be shared. I mean,
that's part of our legal system and the way that
we expected to work and want people to have confidence
in it. So, you know, there's this question, was his
sentence reduced because of you know, good conduct or things
that normally happened with difference inmates when they're in prison.
But after the revelation of those tapes, that sparks a
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whole another round of questions for me about whether those
who were involved with that prosecution felt like, Okay, this
is he's done enough time. This is going to get
a little sticky when we have to explain some of
what we're seeing doesn't line up with what some of
what we've been told. So I think it raises more
questions than anything, and I wonder if we will ever
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get an explanation from the authorities about this transfer and
reduction in his sentence, Shannon, you are in the middle
on Fox News Sunday of the sort of not yet
officially official Trump versus De Santis battle. Have you been
surprised by Trump's surge and do you think the De
Santis campaign at all has been taken a little bit
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by surprise by how aggressively Trump has come after De Santists,
even while the Santis is not yet an official candidate.
I think that's part of why we're seeing the former
president's surge, because for most people, it doesn't look like
he's got somebody who would go toe to toe with
him at this point. There are really strong, interesting, smart
candidates end but not somebody was kind of the star
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power of a descantist just yet. But his team is
obviously very carefully calculating this as a decantist team. You know,
there are packs into groups that have been put together
to say, if he gets in, we've got the infrastructure,
We've got things lined up for him. You know. We
kind of keep hearing he wants to get through the
legislative session down there in Florida. But listen, what did
the presidents say at sea pack A few weeks ago
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when he was asked, you know, will you drop out
if you get indicted? And he's like, no way, and
it'll probably help my numbers. He has a really good
understanding of the pulse of what's going on in the street,
and I think he knows that the more he can
leverage this to say, look, this is my proof. The
establishments after me, the deep state is after me. These
prosecutions if they don't land, if none of these swings
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actually land as a punch, I think are only going
to help make his argument for him. So he was
right about that. Does that Flip wants the Santist gets
in those numbers? I don't know. Interesting that we had
pulling out this week. That shows, yes, President Trump is
increasing his lead. He is a favorite among GOP primary voters.
But when you ask both people who have Trump is
their first choice or the Santist as their first choice,
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who's your second choice? They both so that De Santas
voters love Trumps they are number two. Trump voters love
to Santas as their number two. I don't know if
you guys were watching WAGO on Saturday night, but when
he brought up these lines about decantas they didn't get
this uproars applause if he got for some of the
other things like going after Avan Bragg and others. So
to me, I think there are a lot of folks
within the jup primary base where are like, listen, we'd
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be happy with either one. Don't trash each other to
the point they're gonna be so bloodied you're gonna have
to limp into a general where you can't win. Shannon
building on that. When you look at the way this
campaign potentially is playing out, You've got a big platform.
How challenging is it to be able to balance everything?
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Because Buck and I talk about this. Every time we
say something positive about Trump, the Trump people are like, yeah,
every time we say something positive about the Santis, back
and forth. It's a tough balancing act. This feels like
such an eight hundred pound guerrilla battle, right that both
sides are constantly looking in maybe a way that's a
lot different than in past years where there's been like
five or six or seven different people who have had
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different surges. This feels like it's just man versus man,
the two of them, and that's pretty much it. It does,
And you guys probably come off the air or while
you're on the air, you can look at social media
and look at Twitter and get feedback. You can do
the same show and have half the people say like,
why are you so hard on President Trump and you
have no respect for him, and the same show people
can be like, well, clearly you got your talking points
directly from President Trump's campaigns down. So you know that
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people project a lot like they're very much for Trump
or they're very much for someone else or against him.
And I think a lot of times they project their
emotions onto what we're saying when we're just trying to
protect you know, share with them factual information or poll numbers.
I mean, just data that is statistical that doesn't have
emotions connected to it. I think, you know, politics has
become very emotional for people. I feel like sending on
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any given day when I get emails from people saying
you're in the camp for Trump, and then I also
get about an equal number of emails for people saying
you're in the camp for descantists, that's a good side.
If both teams think you're the camp for the other, personally,
then you're probably you know, you're at least somewhere in
the middle, somewhere, somehow. Everyone to check out Shannon's book
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Love Stories of the Bible Speak Biblical lessons on romance, friendship,
and faith. Jannon Breen, great to have you want to
thank you so much for being with us. Such a
treat to visit with you guys. See soon. Good stuff
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I wasn't making the noise over that. I was making
the noise over the poll. Just to be clear. Yeah, well,
we haven't even told people about them. We haven't even
told people about the poll yet, and so I'm about
to do. You can so many people out there went
away in on Trump versus De Santis. We have right
now a poll up at Clay and Buck dot com. Okay,
I'm gonna give you this one first. Clay and Buck
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dot com our website. You cannot miss this poll. You
can go vote if you want to on Trump versus
De Santis? Which side would you come down on? And
please do because we want the biggest sample size of
this alliance possible. That's correct. So also, if you are
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a Twitter user, so you have two options. You can
go to Clay and Buck dot com and vote, or
you can go to Twitter and vote at the Clay
Travis and Buck Sexton show Twitter handle. I have retweeted it.
If you follow me, you can vote in it. Buck
has retweeted it. If you follow Buck, you can go
vote in it. When I clicked, when I clicked to
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begin this segment, Buck, four thousand of you had voted,
and it was Daddy eve in fifty fifty. Okay, so
these are I don't know, one hundred thousand people follow
our Twitter accounts. You want the billion plus? What's the
update you want be updated? We've just put this plus
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is really quick. We're already at sixty five hundred plus
votes just on the Twitter then, however, many thousands on
the website additionally, but just on the Twitter, it's fifty
four Trump forty six to Santists right now. And they
just told me res we were coming in from break,
they said that De Santis was up fifty what fifty
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six to forty four on the website, so literally it
could not be tighter in terms of you all voting
right now on Trump or to Santis. And this is
I told Buck, I believe this is going to be
the story of twenty twenty three and what we're gonna
do on this show and certainly into early twenty twenty four.
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We're gonna have both guys on this program as much
as they want to come on. You know, we get
to talk to million of you every day, and we
want you to be able to make the best possible
decision when it comes time for your primary vote. And
we're gonna basically having this discussion all year. What I
told Buck was twenty twenty two, everybody's on the same team.
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I think twenty twenty four. Everybody's gonna be on the
same team for most of twenty twenty four once the
nominee is selected by March or so. But twenty twenty
three it's gonna be a nasty primary. And I've been
saying this ever since this this started. You know, it's
not gonna be some like you know, uh, they're they're not.
They're not tiptoeing up to this ring to argue about
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whether we should have a flat tax or not. Right,
this is gonna be like you stink, I hate you. Uh,
it's gonna be nasty between Trump and De Santis, and
so we were very interested to see how how the
poll shakes out for this audience. But I just think
it's interesting for both sides to realize, like why why
are we speaking about Hey, you know this is the
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upside for De Santis on this issue, or this is
where I think Trump is hitting him hard on that issue.
However it goes. We're trying to make sure that we
have a town square feel here where everybody knows that
you can call in tell us what you think about
who's doing what, and we're gonna tell you what we
think about how it's how it's playing out as a primary.
Because about half the audience feels one win, give or take.
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Maybe it's forty percent. I'm you know, it's not scientific,
but it's a big chunk of the audience feels one
way and a big chunk of the audience feels another way.
And that is where we are right now, which is
why I'm saying it's Alabama Auburn. Since major League Baseball
is back today, it's Boston Red Sox, New York Yankees.
You are on one team, and I understand by the way,
there's a lot of you out there who were just saying, Hey,
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I want to sit back and see how this plays out.
I will. I told you I always do this for
people who don't know. When the Tennessee Primary happens my
home state of Tennessee, I will tell you all how
I vote in March whenever that's going to be March
of twenty twenty four till then I'm gonna sit back
and I'm gonna watch this entire primary season play out,
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because i'mnna be honest with you. I think I'm probably
like the majority of you. I really like Trump and
I really like this Antis. I really like both of
these guys, and I want to see how the campaign
actually goes. And then I'll be honest with you. In
twenty twenty four, you know, mid to late March, whenever
my opportunity comes to walk into a voting place and
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cast a ballot, I'll tell you what I make the
choice on. And one side's gonna be furious at me,
and the other side might be happy. Yes, I'm gonna
make a choice. When Clay votes for John Bolton, just
remember all of his excellent sports analysis. You know when
he goes in to the voting booth and has to
hide his Nicky Haley t shirt. All right, you just
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just don't like go all in on vivic Ramaswami. You
had no idea what direction I might go by March
of four, I'll tell you crazy, I think you can't.
I used to buck you could take a picture, but
then like justin Timberlake did it in Tennessee, and it's
actually a crime to take a photo inside of a
inside of a voting area. I think I didn't know that.
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break there. So I think this is breaking news my
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friends because it just came out in the last few minutes,
or the Wall Street Journal. Although it's not new information
that it's based on, it is being used in a
new way. So yeah, we'll do the breaking news. You
gotta come up with a cool sound. We do need
a sounder, by the way. That's us to us for
breaking news, Like I don't mean, you know, I don't
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know what the sound should be, but we need a
we need a breaking news sound, a larger I think
if the full like ye, yeah, I thinks something like that.
So the Trump grand jury, we're just talking about Trump.
By the way, this pull it's amazing, like it's it's
neck and neck. DeSantis will go up a little Trump
will go up a little. It's up at Clay and
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Buck dot com. We retweeted it from the Clay and
Buck Twitter account. So we got a couple of ways
you can weigh in on this pole. We'll do a
consolidated you know, all in will average the percentage from
Twitter and the percentage from Clay and Buck dot com
and see what we end up getting for this. But
you know, as the overall number. But I see it
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is very very close right now, very tight. So with
that in mind, we're just talking about Trump. So we've
been told that for the next month there's not gonna
be anything new with the grand jury in New York.
But here's the Wallstreet journal is reporting that Trump grand
jury digs into hush money paid to a second woman. Now,
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and this is money paid. I remember that this was
part of the allegations back in the day, money pay
to former Playboy model Karen McDougal Clay. What is going
on here, man? With these uh, these allegations the legal
ease here, what's happening? If I remember these are two
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different stories now, if I remember the way that they
were paid, meaning obviously they're two different women. Um, Karen
McDougall was a former Playboy model. Uh. And she was
supposedly paid one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. But my recollection,
I'm scrolling through this article to see if I'm correct,
my recollection is that yeah, here it is. She signed
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a contract with the National Inquirer in August of twenty sixteen.
This is the so called catching release idea um where
they will pay someone, The National Inquirer would would pay
someone for their story and then basically kill it like
they wouldn't publish it. Is that called catch and kill? Yeah? Yeah, sorry,
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catching kill? Uh? And so that was done by the
National Inquirer. And remember, do you remember the name of
the National Inquirer owner. It's kind of amazing. Oh wait,
wait wait it's a great name, but I don't remember.
What is it? David Pecker? There you go, David Pecker,
who also got involved in ironically enough, given his last
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name a Jeff Bezos, you know sexual affair story if
you remember that. So they've been bringing in David Pecker,
the former chief executive of this and they may be
arguing about how exactly that payment occurred. Because just for
those of you out there that care about this and
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again it's going on as a grand jury, so I
want to make sure we get this right. The hundred
and thirty thousand dollars went to Stormy Daniels via Cohen,
right Trump's attorney, and that's where they tried to argue
that this was a FEC violation Federal Election Commission. I'm
not sure how the money, if it was, ever repaid
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to the National Inquirer, or whether the National Enquirer handled
that hundred and fifty thousand dollars things to hold on.
Here's the detail. The publisher agreed to transfer the rights
to McDougall's story to a company controlled by Michael Cohen.
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A consultant then issued an invoice to Cohen, and they
repaid that as well. So basically, this whole story situation
is Trump may have he denies it, may have slept
with these women, and in order to keep them from
making those allegations public, they paid them to keep silent.
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The irony here and nobody talks about this at all.
Buck Trump paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in theory
for these women's stories to never go public, got them
to sign Inda's Then the women just told their story anyway,
and nobody ever talks about that, Like, Stormy Daniels got
one hundred and thirty thousand dollars to keep her mouth shut.
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She signed an India and then she comes out and
tells her story anyway, and she gets to keep all
the money. So it's like, well, hold on a minute,
what was the point of the NBA in the first place?
And I think the same thing happened now with Karen McDougall,
although I don't think she's been as outspoken certainly as
Stormy Daniels has. So here we see this again. This
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is the first time the Wall Street Journal reporting this,
so it's very solid source. This is the first time
we've seen this brought up in the grand jury that's
currently underway or that has been underway. It's on a
one month hiatus. Now. It's not clear to me exactly
what this is really gonna do you know that whether
they bring the charge or not, I don't think it's related.
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It makes a difference, I'm sorry, not the charge. Yeah,
the charge, whether the indictment comes down or not, doesn't
seem to really hinge on the McDougall component of this.
But I guess maybe they're trying to say there was
some kind of a pattern or practice here something like yeah,
that's my guest. But here's the issue. And this is
why I keep folkcussing on the legal versus the factual. Okay,
so just a quick refresher. Juries decide issues of fact,
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Judges decide issues of law. To me, this is a
case based on law. The statute of limitations has now
run on this case, so I don't understand how they're
going to somehow get it in under a statute of limitations.
But also, this isn't basically a federal crime to the
extent that it's a crime at all that they are
trying to massage into a state crime. But Donald Trump
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wasn't running for statewide office. He was running for national office.
And so I think this case is going to get
tossed on a legal basis regardless of what the factual
underpinnings of it are. Does that make sense? Yeah, of
course all of this is insane. I mean, this is
really you know democrats that like like like Bragg think
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they're crusading heroes for justice or something by doing this,
and this is crazy happening. Buck. If Trump had lived
in Florida, from the get go, because this is this
is the exposure here is Trump is a Republican candidate
who happened to live in the state of New York.
You me, wherever you live, you have to worry about
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federal law, but also state law. I don't think that
we should be allowing a state political prosecution. And you
saw these numbers. I think as well, Buck, something like
two thirds of Americans, including a high percentage of Democrats,
believe that if Trump is charged, it's going to be
because of politics, not because of its being a crime.
Which is why we ultimately think this redounds to Trump's
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benefit if he has charged in this case. It couldn't
be more obvious, right if you're if you're not able
to get somebody on Russia collusion after a special counsel,
and you're not able to get them on all these
other things, and you go with this, I mean, this
is this is pathetic, these kinds of charges. Nope, who
is the victim in this process? Dude? That's you know,
usually you can take these these macro concern into account
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as you're supposed to as a prosecutor. If no one
is harmed, if the state is not harmed, if a
person is not harmed, how is anyone being criminally charged?
And you haven't broken some process egregiously in a way
that you have to. You know, you have to police
the breaking of certain norms, like there's no norm here,
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there's no process. The whole thing is crazy. It's a
great point. And also you can't even argue that this
is some And again I'm not trying to take a
shot at Trump here, but the perception of Trump is
not one where you would be like, oh, I can't
believe Trump slept with a playboy model. Right. If this
were George W. Bush or Obama and they have this, hey,
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we're really virtuous people. That is a big part of
their personal political brands. You can see how that kind
of accusation might have rattled people who were big George W.
Bush or Barack Obama supporters. But Buck, let's be honest,
when the news broke about Bill Clinton hooking up with
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an intern, most people were like, yeah, I could totally
see that, and it doesn't impact Bill Clinton's political brand
to me. Also, to your point, building on who is
who is the victim here, I don't even think it
changes the way that lots of people think about Trump.
I don't think people thought, oh, I'm voting for Trump
because he's the greatest husband who's ever existed on the planet.
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I think even Trump would laugh at that idea. Right,
he's been married three times, whatever it is. I don't
particularly care about the personal peccadillos of political figures if
they are good candidates, right, if they're good at their job.
And I think that's where people were with Clinton and Trump.
So I don't even see this as some sort of
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debilitating revelation that would change the over wouldn't affected the campaign,
It wouldn't have affected Trump's ability to win at all.
I mean, I don't think if the if, the if,
the release of the audio from the Current Affair or
whatever show it was, the grabber by the pussy Willow clip,
if that didn't change things, Certainly this wasn't going to
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encourage all of you to go vote in our poll,
and we're asking you whether you are right now if
the primary season we're underway, would you vote for Donald Trump.
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Would you vote for Ron de Santis? The crew can
tell me what the latest numbers are on the website
if they would send me that text and update me
on those numbers. You can go to Clay and Buck
dot com and vote in that poll. It is up
on the front page of the website. You'll be able
to easily find it, or you can vote in on
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Twitter if you follow our Twitter feed at Clay and Buck.
You can also follow at Buck Sexton. You can also
follow at Clay Travis and we have retweeted that poll.
So all of you out there have the right to
have your voices heard and Buck. As I am looking
right now, first of all, the poll has been up
for less than an hour. Over twenty thousand of you
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have voted, and online it is wow. So I'm trying
to do the math in my head right now, and
I'm not great at live math, but this is crazy online.
So this is on the Clay and Buck website. Over
four thousand of you have voted there. Encourage you to
go to that if you're not on social media. De
Santis is winning fifty one to forty nine. Okay, that
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is the web clayin Buck dot com website fifty one
forty nine to Santis on the On the Twitter poll,
Trump is winning fifty five to forty five with nearly
twenty thousand votes in that particular poll. So if you
are out there right now and you're like, oh, how
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is this thing going to play out? I wonder what
the Clay and Buck audience think we have around was
that twenty five thousand of you who have voted in
the first hour and it's basically a total dead heat.
Trump is winning by about six or seven points I
think would be the math. Yeah, and this is just
a reminder, I mean, because we know it's not scientific,
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and we know that only a very small fraction of
you actually listening have voted in the poll, but we
can use it as an indicator of it's gonna be
tight yea, or it could say it is tight at
least right now. We'll see what ends up what ends
up happening, and how the primary plays out. But you know,
I guess we could have put more be interesting. Maybe
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well later in the week we can do a broader
pole to see if there are people because some folks
are right in, you know, on the Twitter poll at
least Nicky Haley and the vek Ramaswami and I'm like, oh, okay,
I guess we can include them too. Yeah, I mean, oh, look,
I think those guys are going to have their supporters.
I haven't seen anybody that looks to me like they're
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going to be a double digit guy or girl, right,
And frankly, I think if you're a Trump supporter, you
probably want as many contenders as possible, because I do
think the Trump third of the GOP base is probably
the most rock solid in terms of they're voting for him,
doesn't matter what happens in the primary season, doesn't matter
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all the conversations. That's the most reliable base. And you
want the Trump that has gone to train in the
deep snow of Siberia, like Sylvester Stallone and Rocky four,
Like you want the Trump going up against Biden, and
really the Biden machine, the Democrat machine. Biden's kind of irrelevant,
but you want the Trump going up against the Democrat machine.
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If you are a Trump, a Trump person already in
this primary, that you want the strongest version of Trump
you can get for twenty twenty four. And I think
that having to fight it out in the primary a
little bit, I know, having to make the case. This
is why we have primaries, right, there's a reason we
have a primary. We don't just have a Hey, who
do you guys want, and then we just decide based
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on that. We have we have debates, we have a process,
We have a period of time here, so no matter
who you want, the point of this is that it
can make the candidates first of all, make their case
to undecided people, which is a whole lot of people
I think in the GOP, but also make them better
candidates in the general, which is what we really care about.
I mean, it's amazing to see de Santa's people, a
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Trump people at the state sometimes saying they get very
mad at each other, and sometimes I wouldn't remind them,
you know, you guys agree on ninety nine percent of stuff,
like for the country, and you know you actually agree
on a vast majority of things, so it's always good. Yeah. Look,
and if DeSantis didn't run, we effectively would have no
primary campaign on either side, because I mentioned that's what
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it would be for basically two years, except Biden had
to win the primary, so at least there was some
drama on the Democrat side, whereas for the Republican side Trump.
Nobody ran against Trump, really, and now without the Santists,
we're basically sweeping right into a rematch in twenty four
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without even any battles going on. And I think, look,
the best version of Trump is not based in mar Lago.
Marlogos fabulously beautiful. It's fantastic spot. But Trump is at
his best when he's out at the East Palestine McDonald's,
when he's grabbing ice cream in South Carolina, right, Um,
and the Santis makes you wanna, you know, eat some
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caviare and and go play badminton or something. You know.
It's he's putting in, you know, thirty six holes in
golf every day. I mean, it's not a bad spot,
it's beautiful, um, but it's not necessarily reflective of where
the Trump bases. And similarly, you mentioned this DeSantis lost
twenty pounds like he's getting trim for the fighting shape.
And uh, I don't know. We'll see, We'll see what
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happens when or if he officially announces. And I will
say this buck because I wanted to mention it. I
shared it. Go read it. Mansion comes off the top rope.
Maybe tomorrow we can talk about this. Is there a
possibility Mansion did off the top rope on Joe Biden
called him a basically called him a liar. Is there
a possibility Mansion taps out on the Senate and sides
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to run against Biden in the twenty twenty four Democrat campaign.
I don't think so. But then again, all I know
is Mansion folded, he bent the knee, he did, went
along and we said it live on this show. What
Joe Mansion, what are you doing? Is this just a
pivot to try to make him palatable for West Virginians
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don't vote for Democrat West Virginia. Or is he potentially
going to challenge Biden and uses his justification this I
think it's a treaty. Tomorrow's guest, by the way, Benjamin Hall,
Fox News State farmer correspondent, author of Saved the War,
reporter's Mission to Make at Home. We're looking forward to
talking to Benjamin about his book and everything else tomorrow,
So join us then, Flat Travis and Buck Sexton on
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the front lines of truth
Our three of Clay in Buck starts right now. Everybody,
just want to make a quick note for you. We
put up at clayon buck dot com a pole because
we want to know where all of you are on
this Ron descantists Donald Trump, who is your God? And
we have a pull up there also from the clay
en Buck Twitter account which we are retweeted. You can
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vote there will combine all the different votes non scientific poll.
Let you know what that snapshot of this audience's opinion
is at this stage of the primary and of the
presidential contest. And as promise, right now, we have our
friend Shannon Bream with us now Fox News Chief Supreme
Court Legal Analyst. She has a new book out, The
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Love Stories of the Bible speak Biblical lessons on romance, friendship,
and faith. It is coming out later this week. Shannon,
thank you so much for being with us. Clay it
is our buxcuse me Buck and eventually Clay. It's always
great to be all right, yep, yep, where we're both here.
Appreciate you being with us. So tell us, Shannon the
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Love Stories of the book. I just kind of want
to just tell us about this Love Stories of the patible,
So listen. A lot of times people are like, Okay,
what the heck could the Bible say about romance and
marriage and all that kind of stuff. But you know,
it's pretty steamy in portions, and it's not like God's
looking around like what are they doing down there? Like
he invented us. He knows that we're going to have
this desire to connect with other people, to be in relationships.
(01:22):
So the book is yes about the romances and complicated
and sometimes messy relationships, but also friendships because I think
that's really so much of the fabric of our lives
that holds us together, the idea of community. But also
this came in to love your neighbor as yourself, which
is probably one of the hardest at times because there
aren't any outs or exceptions, and frankly, I think we
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could use a little bit more of that right now, Shannon,
do you think your husband is listening to you on
this program right now or watching opening day of Major
League Baseball? You know what I would say, if he
was not in the air on an airplane right now,
he would be listening to He'll be watching baseball. I
don't blame it. Braves are winning Braves are winning right now.
(02:05):
You're you are married into the people. I don't know
if people know this. You'r Shannon Bream. Your brother, sorry,
your brother in law is Sid Bream, who is one
of the most iconic Atlanta Braves stars of all time
sliding into home plate. For everybody out there who remembers
that play, that is the connection. Your husband is is
Sidbream's brother. So yes, So I want everybody out there
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to know that since it's opening day in Major League Baseball.
So yes, you are killing it on Fox News Sunday.
But you also have a deep understanding of what has
gone on at the Supreme Court and also our legal
system in general. When you see what is going on
in New York City with Alvin Bragg, and by the way,
i'd encourage everybody to go buy that book. It's a
great gift as we get ready for certainly Mother's Day
(02:49):
coming up and everything else. When you see what's going
on with Alvin Bragg and New York City and now
there's a one month pause, and everybody seemed to think, Oh,
Trump's gonna get charged, Trump's going to get charged. What
do you think's going on there? How would you read
the to you leaves well as a fellow lawyer, My friend,
I love hearing what you think about it's going on
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here too, because my question is, because grand juries are
supposed to be secret, that is for a lot of
good reasons. It allows the legal system to work in
a certain way. But when Robert Costello, the attorney, came
out who said, listen, I was hearing stuff that was
coming out. I didn't think it was accurate. He says.
At one point he represented Michael Cohen. Cohen says, that's
not the case. Be that as it may. Robert Costello
went and testified before the grand jury and said, listen,
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Cohen's either lying back then or he's lying now. And also,
you've seen six of more than three hundred relevant emails.
This is Costello making his case. There's a lot more
to this story. And and I think that there's pressure
from the right and the left, of course, on Bragg
to reconsider whether he moves forward with this, because I
think it's fair to say it's probably, from what we
know about these cases being done in secret, the weakest
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against the former president, and you know, to bring it
this far to try to get an indictment, but not
a conviction. It's only going to lend credence to President
Trump's argument that this is nothing but political, no doubt,
and building on that, I agree one hundred percent with
what you said Europe. In the DC area, I'm sure
you saw that there was a report about what was
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going on with the Supreme Court justices and the protests
outside of their homes. Those protests violate both federal and
state law, arguably in Maryland and in Virginia, but certainly
in the District of Columbia where some of those justices reside.
What did you think about that story and the fact
that there's arguments that they've purposely chosen not to hold
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those protesters accountable. It's really hard to understand because, gosh,
think about it was almost a year ago that we
had that leak, which immediately puts Yeah, I think it's
it's easy to argue some of these justices and lives
in danger. We have the one suspect who showed up
that apparently made a statement, according to police at one
point that he had showed up to hurt or to
kill Justice Kavanaugh, to potentially assassinate him. That case is ongoing,
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but we've always asked this question, why are these protesters
not being prosecuted because you don't have to make a
big Harry deal out of it, but why not at
least tickets some of them, maybe arrest some of them.
It might stop it. I say, in touch with a
number of these justices and I know what's going on,
and some of them still have protesters showing up at
their homes. That has not gone away. It has not stopped.
(05:22):
So when you've got someone like Senator Katie Brick coming
out and bringing what she says are the receipts that
show the DJ was discouraging arresting those people, it sparks
all kinds of questions as to why. Speaking of Shannon Breem,
her book coming out this week is The Love Stories
of the Bible speak Biblical lessons on romance, friendship, and faith.
(05:43):
You know, Shannon right now, client, I earlier today, I
should say, we're talking about how Jacob Chansley has been
released eighteen months early. Do you think I mean this
is a two part for you. Do you think that
the recent revelation of video foot instrument side the Capitol
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was a part of that early release. Once people saw
what Jacob chans they was really doing walking around, And
also does it strike you that it's a breach of
ethics on the prosecutorial side that, at least according to
defense attorneys, to be clear, this information, this exculpatory information,
was never provided to Chansley's legal team. Yeah, just in general,
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I think we all know this principle that if prosecutors
have exculpatory evidence, it has to be shared. I mean,
that's part of our legal system and the way that
we expected to work and want people to have confidence
in it. So, you know, there's this question, was his
sentence reduced because of you know, good conduct or things
that normally happened with difference inmates when they're in prison.
But after the revelation of those tapes, that sparks a
(06:48):
whole another round of questions for me about whether those
who were involved with that prosecution felt like, Okay, this
is he's done enough time. This is going to get
a little sticky when we have to explain some of
what we're seeing doesn't line up with what some of
what we've been told. So I think it raises more
questions than anything, and I wonder if we will ever
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get an explanation from the authorities about this transfer and
reduction in his sentence, Shannon, you are in the middle
on Fox News Sunday of the sort of not yet
officially official Trump versus De Santis battle. Have you been
surprised by Trump's surge and do you think the De
Santis campaign at all has been taken a little bit
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by surprise by how aggressively Trump has come after De Santists,
even while the Santis is not yet an official candidate.
I think that's part of why we're seeing the former
president's surge, because for most people, it doesn't look like
he's got somebody who would go toe to toe with
him at this point. There are really strong, interesting, smart
candidates end but not somebody was kind of the star
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power of a descantist just yet. But his team is
obviously very carefully calculating this as a decantist team. You know,
there are packs into groups that have been put together
to say, if he gets in, we've got the infrastructure,
We've got things lined up for him. You know. We
kind of keep hearing he wants to get through the
legislative session down there in Florida. But listen, what did
the presidents say at sea pack A few weeks ago
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when he was asked, you know, will you drop out
if you get indicted? And he's like, no way, and
it'll probably help my numbers. He has a really good
understanding of the pulse of what's going on in the street,
and I think he knows that the more he can
leverage this to say, look, this is my proof. The
establishments after me, the deep state is after me. These
prosecutions if they don't land, if none of these swings
(08:35):
actually land as a punch, I think are only going
to help make his argument for him. So he was
right about that. Does that Flip wants the Santist gets
in those numbers? I don't know. Interesting that we had
pulling out this week. That shows, yes, President Trump is
increasing his lead. He is a favorite among GOP primary voters.
But when you ask both people who have Trump is
their first choice or the Santist as their first choice,
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who's your second choice? They both so that De Santas
voters love Trumps they are number two. Trump voters love
to Santas as their number two. I don't know if
you guys were watching WAGO on Saturday night, but when
he brought up these lines about decantas they didn't get
this uproars applause if he got for some of the
other things like going after Avan Bragg and others. So
to me, I think there are a lot of folks
within the jup primary base where are like, listen, we'd
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be happy with either one. Don't trash each other to
the point they're gonna be so bloodied you're gonna have
to limp into a general where you can't win. Shannon
building on that. When you look at the way this
campaign potentially is playing out, You've got a big platform.
How challenging is it to be able to balance everything?
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Because Buck and I talk about this. Every time we
say something positive about Trump, the Trump people are like, yeah,
every time we say something positive about the Santis, back
and forth. It's a tough balancing act. This feels like
such an eight hundred pound guerrilla battle, right that both
sides are constantly looking in maybe a way that's a
lot different than in past years where there's been like
five or six or seven different people who have had
(10:02):
different surges. This feels like it's just man versus man,
the two of them, and that's pretty much it. It does,
And you guys probably come off the air or while
you're on the air, you can look at social media
and look at Twitter and get feedback. You can do
the same show and have half the people say like,
why are you so hard on President Trump and you
have no respect for him, and the same show people
can be like, well, clearly you got your talking points
directly from President Trump's campaigns down. So you know that
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people project a lot like they're very much for Trump
or they're very much for someone else or against him.
And I think a lot of times they project their
emotions onto what we're saying when we're just trying to
protect you know, share with them factual information or poll numbers.
I mean, just data that is statistical that doesn't have
emotions connected to it. I think, you know, politics has
become very emotional for people. I feel like sending on
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any given day when I get emails from people saying
you're in the camp for Trump, and then I also
get about an equal number of emails for people saying
you're in the camp for descantists, that's a good side.
If both teams think you're the camp for the other, personally,
then you're probably you know, you're at least somewhere in
the middle, somewhere, somehow. Everyone to check out Shannon's book
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Love Stories of the Bible Speak Biblical lessons on romance, friendship,
and faith. Jannon Breen, great to have you want to
thank you so much for being with us. Such a
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I wasn't making the noise over that. I was making
the noise over the poll. Just to be clear. Yeah, well,
we haven't even told people about them. We haven't even
told people about the poll yet, and so I'm about
to do. You can so many people out there went
away in on Trump versus De Santis. We have right
now a poll up at Clay and Buck dot com. Okay,
I'm gonna give you this one first. Clay and Buck
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dot com our website. You cannot miss this poll. You
can go vote if you want to on Trump versus
De Santis? Which side would you come down on? And
please do because we want the biggest sample size of
this alliance possible. That's correct. So also, if you are
(13:27):
a Twitter user, so you have two options. You can
go to Clay and Buck dot com and vote, or
you can go to Twitter and vote at the Clay
Travis and Buck Sexton show Twitter handle. I have retweeted it.
If you follow me, you can vote in it. Buck
has retweeted it. If you follow Buck, you can go
vote in it. When I clicked, when I clicked to
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begin this segment, Buck, four thousand of you had voted,
and it was Daddy eve in fifty fifty. Okay, so
these are I don't know, one hundred thousand people follow
our Twitter accounts. You want the billion plus? What's the
update you want be updated? We've just put this plus
(14:11):
is really quick. We're already at sixty five hundred plus
votes just on the Twitter then, however, many thousands on
the website additionally, but just on the Twitter, it's fifty
four Trump forty six to Santists right now. And they
just told me res we were coming in from break,
they said that De Santis was up fifty what fifty
(14:34):
six to forty four on the website, so literally it
could not be tighter in terms of you all voting
right now on Trump or to Santis. And this is
I told Buck, I believe this is going to be
the story of twenty twenty three and what we're gonna
do on this show and certainly into early twenty twenty four.
(14:55):
We're gonna have both guys on this program as much
as they want to come on. You know, we get
to talk to million of you every day, and we
want you to be able to make the best possible
decision when it comes time for your primary vote. And
we're gonna basically having this discussion all year. What I
told Buck was twenty twenty two, everybody's on the same team.
(15:15):
I think twenty twenty four. Everybody's gonna be on the
same team for most of twenty twenty four once the
nominee is selected by March or so. But twenty twenty
three it's gonna be a nasty primary. And I've been
saying this ever since this this started. You know, it's
not gonna be some like you know, uh, they're they're not.
They're not tiptoeing up to this ring to argue about
(15:37):
whether we should have a flat tax or not. Right,
this is gonna be like you stink, I hate you. Uh,
it's gonna be nasty between Trump and De Santis, and
so we were very interested to see how how the
poll shakes out for this audience. But I just think
it's interesting for both sides to realize, like why why
are we speaking about Hey, you know this is the
(15:58):
upside for De Santis on this issue, or this is
where I think Trump is hitting him hard on that issue.
However it goes. We're trying to make sure that we
have a town square feel here where everybody knows that
you can call in tell us what you think about
who's doing what, and we're gonna tell you what we
think about how it's how it's playing out as a primary.
Because about half the audience feels one win, give or take.
(16:22):
Maybe it's forty percent. I'm you know, it's not scientific,
but it's a big chunk of the audience feels one
way and a big chunk of the audience feels another way.
And that is where we are right now, which is
why I'm saying it's Alabama Auburn. Since major League Baseball
is back today, it's Boston Red Sox, New York Yankees.
You are on one team, and I understand by the way,
there's a lot of you out there who were just saying, Hey,
(16:43):
I want to sit back and see how this plays out.
I will. I told you I always do this for
people who don't know. When the Tennessee Primary happens my
home state of Tennessee, I will tell you all how
I vote in March whenever that's going to be March
of twenty twenty four till then I'm gonna sit back
and I'm gonna watch this entire primary season play out,
(17:04):
because i'mnna be honest with you. I think I'm probably
like the majority of you. I really like Trump and
I really like this Antis. I really like both of
these guys, and I want to see how the campaign
actually goes. And then I'll be honest with you. In
twenty twenty four, you know, mid to late March, whenever
my opportunity comes to walk into a voting place and
(17:25):
cast a ballot, I'll tell you what I make the
choice on. And one side's gonna be furious at me,
and the other side might be happy. Yes, I'm gonna
make a choice. When Clay votes for John Bolton, just
remember all of his excellent sports analysis. You know when
he goes in to the voting booth and has to
hide his Nicky Haley t shirt. All right, you just
(17:46):
just don't like go all in on vivic Ramaswami. You
had no idea what direction I might go by March
of four, I'll tell you crazy, I think you can't.
I used to buck you could take a picture, but
then like justin Timberlake did it in Tennessee, and it's
actually a crime to take a photo inside of a
inside of a voting area. I think I didn't know that.
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break there. So I think this is breaking news my
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friends because it just came out in the last few minutes,
or the Wall Street Journal. Although it's not new information
that it's based on, it is being used in a
new way. So yeah, we'll do the breaking news. You
gotta come up with a cool sound. We do need
a sounder, by the way. That's us to us for
breaking news, Like I don't mean, you know, I don't
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know what the sound should be, but we need a
we need a breaking news sound, a larger I think
if the full like ye, yeah, I thinks something like that.
So the Trump grand jury, we're just talking about Trump.
By the way, this pull it's amazing, like it's it's
neck and neck. DeSantis will go up a little Trump
will go up a little. It's up at Clay and
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Buck dot com. We retweeted it from the Clay and
Buck Twitter account. So we got a couple of ways
you can weigh in on this pole. We'll do a
consolidated you know, all in will average the percentage from
Twitter and the percentage from Clay and Buck dot com
and see what we end up getting for this. But
you know, as the overall number. But I see it
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is very very close right now, very tight. So with
that in mind, we're just talking about Trump. So we've
been told that for the next month there's not gonna
be anything new with the grand jury in New York.
But here's the Wallstreet journal is reporting that Trump grand
jury digs into hush money paid to a second woman. Now,
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and this is money paid. I remember that this was
part of the allegations back in the day, money pay
to former Playboy model Karen McDougal Clay. What is going
on here, man? With these uh, these allegations the legal
ease here, what's happening? If I remember these are two
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different stories now, if I remember the way that they
were paid, meaning obviously they're two different women. Um, Karen
McDougall was a former Playboy model. Uh. And she was
supposedly paid one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. But my recollection,
I'm scrolling through this article to see if I'm correct,
my recollection is that yeah, here it is. She signed
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a contract with the National Inquirer in August of twenty sixteen.
This is the so called catching release idea um where
they will pay someone, The National Inquirer would would pay
someone for their story and then basically kill it like
they wouldn't publish it. Is that called catch and kill? Yeah? Yeah, sorry,
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catching kill? Uh? And so that was done by the
National Inquirer. And remember, do you remember the name of
the National Inquirer owner. It's kind of amazing. Oh wait,
wait wait it's a great name, but I don't remember.
What is it? David Pecker? There you go, David Pecker,
who also got involved in ironically enough, given his last
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name a Jeff Bezos, you know sexual affair story if
you remember that. So they've been bringing in David Pecker,
the former chief executive of this and they may be
arguing about how exactly that payment occurred. Because just for
those of you out there that care about this and
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again it's going on as a grand jury, so I
want to make sure we get this right. The hundred
and thirty thousand dollars went to Stormy Daniels via Cohen,
right Trump's attorney, and that's where they tried to argue
that this was a FEC violation Federal Election Commission. I'm
not sure how the money, if it was, ever repaid
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to the National Inquirer, or whether the National Enquirer handled
that hundred and fifty thousand dollars things to hold on.
Here's the detail. The publisher agreed to transfer the rights
to McDougall's story to a company controlled by Michael Cohen.
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A consultant then issued an invoice to Cohen, and they
repaid that as well. So basically, this whole story situation
is Trump may have he denies it, may have slept
with these women, and in order to keep them from
making those allegations public, they paid them to keep silent.
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The irony here and nobody talks about this at all.
Buck Trump paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in theory
for these women's stories to never go public, got them
to sign Inda's Then the women just told their story anyway,
and nobody ever talks about that, Like, Stormy Daniels got
one hundred and thirty thousand dollars to keep her mouth shut.
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She signed an India and then she comes out and
tells her story anyway, and she gets to keep all
the money. So it's like, well, hold on a minute,
what was the point of the NBA in the first place?
And I think the same thing happened now with Karen McDougall,
although I don't think she's been as outspoken certainly as
Stormy Daniels has. So here we see this again. This
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is the first time the Wall Street Journal reporting this,
so it's very solid source. This is the first time
we've seen this brought up in the grand jury that's
currently underway or that has been underway. It's on a
one month hiatus. Now. It's not clear to me exactly
what this is really gonna do you know that whether
they bring the charge or not, I don't think it's related.
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It makes a difference, I'm sorry, not the charge. Yeah,
the charge, whether the indictment comes down or not, doesn't
seem to really hinge on the McDougall component of this.
But I guess maybe they're trying to say there was
some kind of a pattern or practice here something like yeah,
that's my guest. But here's the issue. And this is
why I keep folkcussing on the legal versus the factual. Okay,
so just a quick refresher. Juries decide issues of fact,
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Judges decide issues of law. To me, this is a
case based on law. The statute of limitations has now
run on this case, so I don't understand how they're
going to somehow get it in under a statute of limitations.
But also, this isn't basically a federal crime to the
extent that it's a crime at all that they are
trying to massage into a state crime. But Donald Trump
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wasn't running for statewide office. He was running for national office.
And so I think this case is going to get
tossed on a legal basis regardless of what the factual
underpinnings of it are. Does that make sense? Yeah, of
course all of this is insane. I mean, this is
really you know democrats that like like like Bragg think
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they're crusading heroes for justice or something by doing this,
and this is crazy happening. Buck. If Trump had lived
in Florida, from the get go, because this is this
is the exposure here is Trump is a Republican candidate
who happened to live in the state of New York.
You me, wherever you live, you have to worry about
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federal law, but also state law. I don't think that
we should be allowing a state political prosecution. And you
saw these numbers. I think as well, Buck, something like
two thirds of Americans, including a high percentage of Democrats,
believe that if Trump is charged, it's going to be
because of politics, not because of its being a crime.
Which is why we ultimately think this redounds to Trump's
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benefit if he has charged in this case. It couldn't
be more obvious, right if you're if you're not able
to get somebody on Russia collusion after a special counsel,
and you're not able to get them on all these
other things, and you go with this, I mean, this
is this is pathetic, these kinds of charges. Nope, who
is the victim in this process? Dude? That's you know,
usually you can take these these macro concern into account
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as you're supposed to as a prosecutor. If no one
is harmed, if the state is not harmed, if a
person is not harmed, how is anyone being criminally charged?
And you haven't broken some process egregiously in a way
that you have to. You know, you have to police
the breaking of certain norms, like there's no norm here,
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there's no process. The whole thing is crazy. It's a
great point. And also you can't even argue that this
is some And again I'm not trying to take a
shot at Trump here, but the perception of Trump is
not one where you would be like, oh, I can't
believe Trump slept with a playboy model. Right. If this
were George W. Bush or Obama and they have this, hey,
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we're really virtuous people. That is a big part of
their personal political brands. You can see how that kind
of accusation might have rattled people who were big George W.
Bush or Barack Obama supporters. But Buck, let's be honest,
when the news broke about Bill Clinton hooking up with
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an intern, most people were like, yeah, I could totally
see that, and it doesn't impact Bill Clinton's political brand
to me. Also, to your point, building on who is
who is the victim here, I don't even think it
changes the way that lots of people think about Trump.
I don't think people thought, oh, I'm voting for Trump
because he's the greatest husband who's ever existed on the planet.
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I think even Trump would laugh at that idea. Right,
he's been married three times, whatever it is. I don't
particularly care about the personal peccadillos of political figures if
they are good candidates, right, if they're good at their job.
And I think that's where people were with Clinton and Trump.
So I don't even see this as some sort of
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debilitating revelation that would change the over wouldn't affected the campaign,
It wouldn't have affected Trump's ability to win at all.
I mean, I don't think if the if, the if,
the release of the audio from the Current Affair or
whatever show it was, the grabber by the pussy Willow clip,
if that didn't change things, Certainly this wasn't going to
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So all of you out there have the right to
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right now, first of all, the poll has been up
for less than an hour. Over twenty thousand of you
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have voted, and online it is wow. So I'm trying
to do the math in my head right now, and
I'm not great at live math, but this is crazy online.
So this is on the Clay and Buck website. Over
four thousand of you have voted there. Encourage you to
go to that if you're not on social media. De
Santis is winning fifty one to forty nine. Okay, that
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is the web clayin Buck dot com website fifty one
forty nine to Santis on the On the Twitter poll,
Trump is winning fifty five to forty five with nearly
twenty thousand votes in that particular poll. So if you
are out there right now and you're like, oh, how
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is this thing going to play out? I wonder what
the Clay and Buck audience think we have around was
that twenty five thousand of you who have voted in
the first hour and it's basically a total dead heat.
Trump is winning by about six or seven points I
think would be the math. Yeah, and this is just
a reminder, I mean, because we know it's not scientific,
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and we know that only a very small fraction of
you actually listening have voted in the poll, but we
can use it as an indicator of it's gonna be
tight yea, or it could say it is tight at
least right now. We'll see what ends up what ends
up happening, and how the primary plays out. But you know,
I guess we could have put more be interesting. Maybe
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well later in the week we can do a broader
pole to see if there are people because some folks
are right in, you know, on the Twitter poll at
least Nicky Haley and the vek Ramaswami and I'm like, oh, okay,
I guess we can include them too. Yeah, I mean, oh, look,
I think those guys are going to have their supporters.
I haven't seen anybody that looks to me like they're
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going to be a double digit guy or girl, right,
And frankly, I think if you're a Trump supporter, you
probably want as many contenders as possible, because I do
think the Trump third of the GOP base is probably
the most rock solid in terms of they're voting for him,
doesn't matter what happens in the primary season, doesn't matter
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all the conversations. That's the most reliable base. And you
want the Trump that has gone to train in the
deep snow of Siberia, like Sylvester Stallone and Rocky four,
Like you want the Trump going up against Biden, and
really the Biden machine, the Democrat machine. Biden's kind of irrelevant,
but you want the Trump going up against the Democrat machine.
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If you are a Trump, a Trump person already in
this primary, that you want the strongest version of Trump
you can get for twenty twenty four. And I think
that having to fight it out in the primary a
little bit, I know, having to make the case. This
is why we have primaries, right, there's a reason we
have a primary. We don't just have a Hey, who
do you guys want, and then we just decide based
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on that. We have we have debates, we have a process,
We have a period of time here, so no matter
who you want, the point of this is that it
can make the candidates first of all, make their case
to undecided people, which is a whole lot of people
I think in the GOP, but also make them better
candidates in the general, which is what we really care about.
I mean, it's amazing to see de Santa's people, a
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Trump people at the state sometimes saying they get very
mad at each other, and sometimes I wouldn't remind them,
you know, you guys agree on ninety nine percent of stuff,
like for the country, and you know you actually agree
on a vast majority of things, so it's always good. Yeah. Look,
and if DeSantis didn't run, we effectively would have no
primary campaign on either side, because I mentioned that's what
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it would be for basically two years, except Biden had
to win the primary, so at least there was some
drama on the Democrat side, whereas for the Republican side Trump.
Nobody ran against Trump, really, and now without the Santists,
we're basically sweeping right into a rematch in twenty four
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without even any battles going on. And I think, look,
the best version of Trump is not based in mar Lago.
Marlogos fabulously beautiful. It's fantastic spot. But Trump is at
his best when he's out at the East Palestine McDonald's,
when he's grabbing ice cream in South Carolina, right, Um,
and the Santis makes you wanna, you know, eat some
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caviare and and go play badminton or something. You know.
It's he's putting in, you know, thirty six holes in
golf every day. I mean, it's not a bad spot,
it's beautiful, um, but it's not necessarily reflective of where
the Trump bases. And similarly, you mentioned this DeSantis lost
twenty pounds like he's getting trim for the fighting shape.
And uh, I don't know. We'll see, We'll see what
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happens when or if he officially announces. And I will
say this buck because I wanted to mention it. I
shared it. Go read it. Mansion comes off the top rope.
Maybe tomorrow we can talk about this. Is there a
possibility Mansion did off the top rope on Joe Biden
called him a basically called him a liar. Is there
a possibility Mansion taps out on the Senate and sides
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to run against Biden in the twenty twenty four Democrat campaign.
I don't think so. But then again, all I know
is Mansion folded, he bent the knee, he did, went
along and we said it live on this show. What
Joe Mansion, what are you doing? Is this just a
pivot to try to make him palatable for West Virginians
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don't vote for Democrat West Virginia. Or is he potentially
going to challenge Biden and uses his justification this I
think it's a treaty. Tomorrow's guest, by the way, Benjamin Hall,
Fox News State farmer correspondent, author of Saved the War,
reporter's Mission to Make at Home. We're looking forward to
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