December 17, 2024 • 36 mins
Clay puts on his legal nerd hat over activist NY Judge Merchan. George Slopadopolous and other fun nicknames. Why the U.S. is trouncing Europe. JD Vance vindicated on cat ladies? Some fascinating election pet data.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, third hour, Clay and buck Shoe is flying
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of things that we let it laid out for everybody,
and we can jump into some of them.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Right now. We're going to talk.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
About the data on pet owning and voting. I'm just
throwing it out there. I think fun I think if
you own a pet tarantula, you're voting Jill Stein. I
don't know why, but that just seems right to me.
You know, I think if you're somebody who has a
pet snake, you're definitely voting left of center. I don't know,
(01:02):
I'm gonna some of ours. We have snake owners in
the in our audience right now, they're gonna they're gonna
come at me on that one.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Foranceula owners, I don't care. You can come to me
all day.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
There's some good people who own snakes, but they they
are they're very particular about the rep House. Anyway, we're
gonna get into this data. We're gonna get into all
this Clay has it ready for us. But first up,
just to make sure we're all up to speed on
all of the news, especially as we're getting into the
slow part of the of the news cycle with Christmas
and Hanukkah and New Year's and and Buck's birthday gonna
(01:34):
be forty How old am I gonna be forty three
years old?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Clay? Wow? My wife her birthday is on Christmas Day.
So there's that.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
You're gonna be sixty one when your child graduates high school. Yep,
I think it, you know, I think it's gonna keep
you young.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
That's good. That's good math, Clay. I just I had
a I mean that is like that is a.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I might be a grandfather by the time probably, maybe not,
maybe not. I don't know what the math is. Yeah,
probably I was twenty sixteen year old boy. I mean,
if we're going, if we're going eighteen, you would think,
I mean, but he'll be thirty four. And the boys
these days, I mean, you're one then out. I mean, like,
men wait a long time to have kids a lot
(02:27):
of times now. So so maybe I would like to think, Yes,
I would like to think I'll be a grandpa with that. Oh,
Clay not really helping with my I think I'm getting
old thing right now. You know, man, you're gonna have
all kinds of back pain when you go to your
kids high school graduation. Anyway, Yes, we're very excited about
all of that, except for the back pain part. So
it's the holiday. The news is gonna be slowing down
(02:49):
a bit. One thing we have here just to go
go through, so you're up to speed on it. New
York Judge Merchan in the Trump hush money case, the
most preposterous of the four criminal cases against Donald Trump,
which is saying something, but the most preposterous was this
New York Alvin Bragg pushed hush money thing. It's not
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even with the hush money, actually I apologize even that's
how it's written here on ABC News George Stephanopolos's place
what does Trump call him again, slop Adopoulos. That's pretty great, Nick,
and actually super perceptive. Now that he's had to pay
a million dollars Trump, can you imagine how angry Slapadopoulos
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is to have to write that check or set send
that wire to Trump. And I'm not kidding when I
say think about what Trump can do with that money
in his presidential library. He can legitimately say, hey, the
fake news wing endowed by ABC News, which was forced
to pay me fifteen million dollars. He can give George Slapadopoulos,
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the chair of the fake news era.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Inside of that. But yet, I.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Would not be surprised Buck if there is a major
fight inside of ABC News over that settlement. And I
guarantee you Stepanopoulis did not want to cut that check,
but Slapadopoulis million dollars into Trump based on his inability
to correctly say what the civil court jury did in
(04:27):
that case, Slavopolis, I would just point out that the
real case was about a business records and the story.
You really have to try to keep this, keep all
this straight. Alvin Bragg decided that Donald Trump writing up
a lawful payment using his own money for something that
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if he had used campaign funds for, would have clearly
then been hit with a campaign finance violation. Using his
own money for an in total totally lawful nuisance. NDA
payment was actually a grand scheme to defraud the American
voters of their right to know what they should have
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known before the election, which therefore made it a felony
because it then touched on federal election law and not
just local New York law. Honestly, it would be hard
to come up with a more egregious abuse of legal
principle and legal plain language than what Alvin Bragg did.
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Judge Merchan is not throwing it out. He said that
the evidence entirely related to unofficial conduct and poses no
danger of intrusion on the authority and function of the
executive branch. Thirty four felony counts of falsifying business records
stacking the counts, which is also unethical, I might add,
(05:55):
because it's one it's really one act, and as I've
explained before, this is important for all the prosecutors know this. Theoretically,
if somebody's passing a joint back and forth, every time
you've passed, that is a new possession crime. Nobody charges
you if you're on video, you know what a drug
dealer or you know, doing drugs or something. No one
charges you twenty times for one joint. If they're going
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to charge you, which they shouldn't for just a joint,
but put that aside. If they're going to charge you,
they just charge you for the one crime. Right, we all,
this is what they did thirty four times. Clay, what
do you think is going on with merchand here? So
Merchant has pushed back sentencing on this case, and I
think that has been seen as a victory for Donald Trump.
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And I think he's afraid to give Trump too many
victories inside of New York City. So he's an activist,
left wing judge. And I actually think this is an
intriguing court decision in general that has not been very
discussed because it's Trump and everybody just is focused on Trump.
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But what the Supreme Court said was basically, we can
distinguish between official and unofficial acts when it comes to
where the number of presidential power goes.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And you and I have talked about this for some time.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
If the President of the United States picked up a
paperweight from the resolute desk and smashed an associate an
employee in the face with that paperweight, causing a significant injury.
That would be an unofficial act. In other words, you
could be charged with assault and battery inside of the
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White House, even though you're the President of the United States.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
If you engaged in that.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
The president let's say, punches his wife or in some
way engages in a violent act, it's not directly involving
the presidential acts itself. That's going to matter tremendously for
every president for the rest of our lives and for
every president for hundreds of years. They're going to have
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to argue is this an official or unofficial act. The
challenge with this charge that has been brought in New
York City, which is holy illegitimate, which I think on
a legal analysis basis to what you kind of hit
on Buck, they had to find a second crime in
order to elevate this from a misdemeanor to a felony.
I think the hook that they used to do that
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is actually not legal, and I think that's where this
case is going to get overturned at some point on appeal.
But I don't know that I disagree with the concept
here that this is an unofficial act because it occurred
before Trump was president of the United States. Now that
then turns into an actual interesting argument, because Buck, he
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didn't pay until he was president of the United States.
So this is such a nerdy thing. But when does
the act itself occur? For purposes of analyzing what is
official and unofficial acts?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Is it the.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Agreement to pay which occurred before Trump were president or
is it the actual payment which occurred after Trump were president.
This is the kind of thing, Buck, that lawyers sit
around debating. And if that sounds intriguing to you, and
you are sixteen years old listening to us right now,
you're going to love law school, young man or young woman.
(09:22):
If that makes your eyeballs roll back into your head
and you think to yourself, oh my goodness, that debate
sounds awful, then the law might not be for you.
And regardless, you're probably going to spend a bunch of
time doing docker view if you're a young lawyer anyway,
most of the time. But does that make sense to you?
That it actually to me is kind of a really
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fascinating application of this decision from the Supreme Court, which
doesn't have a clear cut answer. I think this case
is going to get tossed on appeal eventually. I think
the case in Georgia that Fanny Willis brought is total
garbage and directly implicates presidentential powers. I'm not sure exactly
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whether that's the lynchpin to get it tossed out. This
is me being a legal nerd trying to analyze this,
and that's really what the appeal is going to be.
I believe focused on as it pertains to presidential powers.
So you're not worried about it, though, No you don't,
and I don't think Trump really is. I just think
he wants the vindication of the case being dismissed because
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I think he sees it for what it is, which
is total BS. And really they're telling you it's total
BS because they're now not going to have the sentencing
until twenty twenty nine at the earliest, and they'll just
push it off to the side. Once Trump's no longer president.
Nobody's going to care about this. You know, I was
asked it was on her podcast, so I can say
it wasn't like offline.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
You know, I try to keep confidence. Is Kim Strassel
the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I did her podcast, and you know, the Wall Street
Journal is obviously very establishment, right of center, establishment Republican.
It's a great paper. Kim is a fantastic editorial commonist.
But she asked me about this, this fear of a
vindictive Trump, or this fear that there will be retribution
from Trump, And to this, it's funny because I don't
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just dismiss out of hand that there should there need
to actually be consequences for people who have done some
of these things. So I would I didn't sit there
and say, oh, no, I don't think Trump is I
think he's gonna let bygones be bygones with everybody and
everything is fine. No, I believe that would be unjust.
I think that would actually be wrong. I think to
be personally vindictive and to be unconstitutional or unlawful in
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your approach to any American is wrong. But if people
broke the law, they should pay the price, and you
know that's their approach to Trump. I bring it up, Clay,
just because I don't see a way that through the
law anything can be done about what's going on here
in New York against Donald Trump. But there need to
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at least be political consequences for it. I mean, there
has to be. What they've done is so atrocious that
it cannot be forgotten and forgiven. You know, that's my
take on it. Well, I think again, the Supreme Court
decision is going to severely curtail what they did to
Trump because so much of what a president does is
arguably within the purview of presidential powers. Investigating the outcome
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of an election is definitely within the purview of presidential powers.
Telling your Department of Justice to undertake an investigation is
certainly within presidential powers. Calling individual, in my opinion, calling
individual state attorney generals and elections officials and inquiring about
the legitimacy of their vote count, to me, is clearly
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within the purview of a president. And so I think
they've made it going forward. The Supreme Court, to their credit,
has made it much more difficult to bring these kind
of charges going forward. And I think you would agree,
and I think most of our audience would agree. The
president's not above the law. But if you're going to
charge the president with a crime, it needs to be
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a crime that doesn't have anything at all to do
with the execution of his duties as president of the
United States. If the president got super drunk. I don't
care who he is, and he got in a car
and you know, he mowed down three people because he
was at a you know, a point two oh or
something on the you know, yeah, I know that you
actually have you've you've committed real crime with real victims,
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and you need to pay the price for that. I
don't care who the president is or what the situation
is around the politics of it. A business records case
against the president is this is absurd. It's it's absurd.
There's no other way to say it. And look, I'll
give you an example of something that would clearly not
be within presidential powers that has been a scandal in
recent history, Bill Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky, even though
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it occurred in the oval office, much of the activity
surrounding it.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
If he had engaged.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
In some sort of criminal act and she had charged
him with some sort of criminal acts sexual assault, rape,
whatever it would have been, that could have been investigated
and pursued against the president of the United States. To
your point, the president is protected from a lot of
criminal acts because he doesn't do a lot of things
that could be criminal in nature. For instance, the president
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can drive a car, So it would be really difficult
for the president to get a dui and hit anybody.
And to my knowledge, you know better than me, Buck,
I don't imagine they let the president have access to guns, right.
I wouldn't think the Secret Service would allow the president
to like have a handgun around him. I could be wrong.
I mean, that's funny, that's a funny que. I mean,
(14:40):
who was the last president to be strapped?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I mean, while they're president, don't tell me. Teddy Roosevelt
was the military, and.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I get it, but yeah, who was the last you
could you even do it? Right?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Like? If Donald Trump loved guns and he was like, hey,
I want to carry a firearm on me at all times,
I don't. I don't think they would let him do
it because of the danger that he might shoot himself. Again,
have you ever heard this discussed? I don't know. I
think it's a fascinating question, but it kind of gets
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have some fun with you here on the back side
of the final hour of the Tuesday edition of the program.
With some data out there about how pet owners voted.
I'll let Buck guess at it. I've got it in
front of me right now. I think it's going to
be really entertaining for what you guys are able to
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glean from that, and maybe, just possibly Jade Vance is
going to be vindicated in some of the data that
we will be sharing with all of you. There's a
little bit of a tease about what the data might
reflect when it comes to how people voted. Funny reminds
me of these memes that I'm seeing about how when
you see a guy walking a doodle, any kind of doodle,
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whether he has a wedding ring or not, just know
that he's taken.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
It's totally true, totally true.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Every guy that I see with a doodle, it's the
wife's or the girlfriends now. Not that we don't love
our doodles guys, but there's no single guys walking around
with doodles.
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with us. Rolling through the Twoday edition of the program,
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a couple of things that are out there worth paying
attention to. Again, we've been talking about the fifteen million
dollar Trump settlement, the impact Trump has filed a bunch
of different lawsuits against a variety of different media outlets.
We've also been talking about the judge merchand decision and
the fact that he's not going to toss the felony conviction.
(19:23):
Buck's gonna be back in a sec. He's chasing down
an issue with his dog ginger, and I wanted to
hit you with this data point.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I flagged it.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
In the meantime, we'll have some fun with that data
when buckets backed. But I did flag this this morning
from the Wall Street Journal. This stat blew my mind.
It's called why the US is trouncing Europe, and it's
about why our economic success is so much more substantial
than everybody in the European Union. And I couldn't believe this.
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While Europe has created the entire European content, has created
fourteen companies worth more than ten billion dollars in the
past fifty years. That's got about four hundred billion dollars
of market value in total.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
All right, So I like to look at the data.
All of Europe.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Fourteen companies worth more than ten billion in the past
fifty years. What about America? Americans have created two hundred
and fifty companies worth ten billion dollars or more, and
those companies are now worth thirty trillion dollars. So the
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argument in this in this piece is that Americans are
willing to take risks when it comes to creating new businesses,
and that our nation creates the structure under which those
new businesses can be able to grow. But that staggered
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me when you consider all of Europe has created about
four hundred billion dollars in market value, the United States
in the last fifty years has created thirty trillion. So
I'm not great at math, but we are about sixty
times as productive when it comes to using our economic
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structure to create something new, and I do think it's
worth contemplating and thinking about what that says about us
in a larger context. It is that America has always
embraced risk and it's a huge part of our DNA
as a nation. And if you think about why that
would be was pretty risky back in the day to
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decide that you were going to get on a ship
and leave behind everything that you had ever seen before
and come to a new land. And I would submit
to you that the culture of America rewards risk taking
and is ingrained with risk takers more than almost any
country in the world. And that's what that data reflects
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right there. Buck, you are back, Let's go to break
here we come back. We'll close out the show with
some fun as it pertains. Ironically, you had an issue
with your dog, and I'm gonna give you the pet
data on how pet owners voted in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I was about to come on Aaron say I love
my dog so much. We want to put a little
Santa hat on her.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And she's amazing and I'm a big doodle person, after
never thinking I would be. She's barfing downstairs because she
probably you know, she gets Tommy aches from you know
if her filet mignon has a little too much marbled
fat in it or something. I mean, this is the
most spoiled dog on the planet. It's amazing that she
comes from wolves Clay, Like, really, I don't know how
that's even possible, but yes, there's.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
A lot of generations since they were wolves.
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Speaker 2 (24:04):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
This is from Axios, and I tease this for a
little while, but I found this to be really interesting.
Men who own cats or dogs Buck mostly voted for Trump.
That is, if you are a guy and you have
a dog, probably doesn't surprise you you voted Trump. Men
who have dogs voted Trump nearly sixty forty kind of like,
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would you expect that to be true?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Absolutely? But I would also throw in there if you
broke the dogs down by breed, Oh, let's see, you
would see substantial patterns of what kind of uh you know,
I think if bigger the dogs, you're bigger the dog,
more likely you voted for Trump. You know, my brother
has a Pomeranian and one of our jokes is that
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the Pomeranian case that he carries as an elderly Pomeranian
and very elderly now. And the case that he's carried
around in also doubles as a fantastic concealed carry bag.
So there's there's you know, you wouldn't expect it with
the pomp. But yes, I think Labrador. If you're a
Labrador owner, a Golden Retriever owners, as I'm talking about
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John Shepherd, German Shepherd, you're you're gonna be I think
even higher, Like I bet that's eighty twenty Trump versus
Biden voters.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I bet you're right.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
But even men with cats, even men who only had cats,
voted Trump fifty two forty six. Okay, what about women?
This is that again, this is vindication for JD.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Vance.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
If you are a woman who has a cat, you
voted sixty forty for Kamala Harris. So men with dogs
and women with cats almost completely flipped how they vote.
I mean that's kind of fascinating to me. I mean,
I think intuitively a lot of you would guess it.
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Men with dogs sixty f forty Trump, women with cats
sixty forty four Kamala.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
And this is.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Interesting, Buck. If you are a woman with a dog,
you voted for Trump by five. So again, women with
dog owners pretty substantially voting Trump over Kamala cat owners
at least when it comes to women. So Jade Vance's
women cat owners like single women with cats. That is
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the base potentially of the Democrat party. He was actually correct.
And before anybody gets a little you know, it's the
Christmas season, Christmas spirit whatever, to feel loved and happy.
Clay is a cat owner, well this is so that's
not something that I a cat owner, So don't think
that you know, we understand there are some there's always
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exceptions to the rule, and cat is not. I mean
Clay has more than one cat. In fact, I have
seen them scurrying around the house. It's an awful decision
the family. By the way, if you have dogs and cats,
you voted Trump pretty substantially as well. So it's just
I am the exception here.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I am.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
And for those who don't know, during COVID, when all
the schools were shut down and everybody was getting pets,
I have steadfastly refused to get cats. My wife has
wanted to get cats in the house for a long time.
She had the three boys give a persuasive speech because
they were out of school, so she assigned them to
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each have to do a persuasive speech on why we
should get a cat, and that is how we ended
up with two cats inside of the house. So that
in and of itself is kind of a I think
it fulfills a lot of the expectations that would be
out there. But I did find it kind of staggering
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just how true it was women with cats. Now, this
isn't broken down married versus single, so to be fair,
married couples tended to vote Trump over over Kamala regardless,
But it is kind of interesting that the stereotype completely
fills there. Wouldn't you have bet buck that dog owning
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men would overwhelmingly vote Trump and that cat owning women
would be more likely to vote Kamala. I mean, it's
kind of a mirror image of how amazing that is.
This is the stereotype that's already out there, and stereotypes
sometimes exists based on a snapshot of perception, which is
based on a snapshot of data. So yeah, it's not
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a not a shock at all. I do wish that
we had breed breakdown, because I think that would be fascinating.
I would guess I don't know. I would guess pitbull
ownership probably fifty to fifty Democrat and Republican. I would
get you know, you get into some of these, I
think that some of these, well, some pit bulls are
owned by minority groups. Is that what you're kind of
(28:58):
getting at with the disproportion pit bulls disproportionately Again, this
is very generally speaking, but disproportionately pit bulls tend to
have minority owners, which is also part of why sometimes
the discussion about pit bulls get so heated because people
feel very heated about their positions about you know, whether
these dogs are more of a public safety risk than
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other dogs. So yeah, you know, because people feel like
they're being singled out or they're being called out for
their dog choice. I think, you know, doodles, like I said,
I found my producer Alli jumped in, totally true. No guy,
no like sing No guy's walking around with his doodle
who's single. There's always a girlfriend or a or you know,
(29:39):
or a husband whatever. But there's always another partner in
the mix for a guy walking in doodle. And then
you get into the more exotic pets where I think
that would be a tougher one to like if you happen.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
To own more.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
You know, ferret is a very popular pet, like a
large percentage of the people that don't have a dog
or a cat. Ferret, I think for a mammal is
number number three or number four most common pet. I've
actually done some research into this because I kind of
wanted to get a pet fox for a while, but
I've since found out they stink and they like they
(30:13):
actually scent everything, and they want to dig through your
your living room floor, so that's not good. But yeah,
a lot of people have ferrets. Do you know there's
more tigers in Texas than in the wild. We're turning
into the kid from Jeremy, but you know that you
would Headleighs eight pounds. I mean, you're talking about this
is a this is a stat that is accurate as
(30:35):
stats should be. There are more tigers in captivity in
Texas than tigers that live in the wild. That's a
pretty that's a pretty wild stat.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah. Yeah, so it ties in because.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Your point on I'm thinking about how many mammals are
actually pets, right, obviously dogs, cats, I would have not
guessed that ferret is on the top of any of these.
I wonder how ferret voters would What do you think
snake owners snake Ownerkamala, I'm sure we have a couple
of wonderful, patriotic snake owners listening. I think snake owners
(31:11):
break for Democrat eighty percent. I actually I don't know
that I disagree, but I'm trying to think through do
you think male The only thing that I would push
back on there is potentially I tend to think men
have more snakes than more snakes than women do.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I don't know, but if I've ever been on a
date and the woman said I have a pet snake
at home, I was like, I don't know, if there's
a second date, I wouldn't date. I wouldn't date a
woman who was at a pet snake. I've said this before,
Like she would have to be so incredibly hot in
order for me to even be willing to I wouldn't
be able to sleep at night. If you, snakes always
(31:52):
get out, this is they're always like hey, I never
would have thought, you know, how do this? Everyone who
has a snake, the snake escapes the cage, the the
the captivity. At some point and is just loose and
I had you know, I had a nightmare the other night.
Buck woke up screaming, woke my wife up, wife up
because I was dreaming that I was about to be
(32:13):
struck by a rattlesnake. I'm very anti snake. I have
a lot of nightmares about snakes. I don't like them. Uh,
they make me uncomfortable even thinking about them. So the
idea that someone would have a snake and I would
be in that house, I couldn't do it. I wouldn't
do it. I wouldn't I wouldn't stand. I would cancel
that relationship immediately. This is how comfortable we are with
this audience. Clay is now sharing his dreams about snakes.
(32:37):
I woke my wife up screaming that I was about
to be eaten by a about to be struck by
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Speaker 2 (32:52):
Oh, that's true. So you're in good company with that one. Uh,
you're in good company either.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
More. I've seen and been around alligators. By the alligator's
doing but I think alligators are kind of cool. I've
seen a fair amount of alligators now since they moved
to Florida. Snakes, though, still freak me out a little bit.
And they're an invasive species down here. The Burmese python
big problem, so people have to go. Do you see
the megaviral clip of the alligator carrying the insanely large python.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I think it was in the Everglades? Yes. Yeah. That
concept of.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
This is like when kids sit around and one day
we'll be having these conversations with your soon to be
son a lot.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I've had them a lot over the years.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Boys in particular like to just sit around and think
about which animal would win if two animals fight. I mean,
it is a never ending concept that.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
They did that.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
On the Joe Rogan Show, Joe Rogan started talk. I
saw this was he's like a gorilla or a bear?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
You know. They had this old conversation.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
So the but the video of the alligator carrying the
huge python, I don't reckon. I don't know that we
have seen an invasive species like the python in modern
American history. It's taken over in the Everglades. I mean,
there are tens of big problems for native now for
native species, yeah, you know it'll eit.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
You know, a lot of the bird eggs.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
The problem for alligators actually they'll they'll constrict and then
and then eat smaller alligators. Let's get into the Christmas
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I mean, he's gonna feel a little, a little, a
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True Lies doesn't make the top the top list for me.
I will say it was the only thing I've ever
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this is I consider that his your that's my favorite
movie of all time. But I consider that historical, historical epic,
not an action movie, as too much of the history. Yeah, yeah,
so that's the yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Gladiator.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, I think Gladiators historical epic because it's really I mean,
some of these movies we're talking about, like if you
watch Commando or Predator, some of the Stallone and Schwarzenegger stuff,
the whole movie is just an excuse for action, Like
there's no real plot or dialogue worthy of the name.
So I think those other movies. In Braveheart won Best Picture,
Gladiator won Best Picture. So to me, those are historical epics. Now,
(36:17):
Rambo wasn't nominated for Best Picture, even as fine of
a film as it was. Yes, and neither was Commando.
Even though you can watch that movie one hundred times,
it never gets old. Haven At Merry Christmas, everybody. We'll
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and we can jump into some of them.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Right now. We're going to talk.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
About the data on pet owning and voting. I'm just
throwing it out there. I think fun I think if
you own a pet tarantula, you're voting Jill Stein. I
don't know why, but that just seems right to me.
You know, I think if you're somebody who has a
pet snake, you're definitely voting left of center. I don't know,
(01:02):
I'm gonna some of ours. We have snake owners in
the in our audience right now, they're gonna they're gonna
come at me on that one.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Foranceula owners, I don't care. You can come to me
all day.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
There's some good people who own snakes, but they they
are they're very particular about the rep House. Anyway, we're
gonna get into this data. We're gonna get into all
this Clay has it ready for us. But first up,
just to make sure we're all up to speed on
all of the news, especially as we're getting into the
slow part of the of the news cycle with Christmas
and Hanukkah and New Year's and and Buck's birthday gonna
(01:34):
be forty How old am I gonna be forty three
years old?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Clay? Wow? My wife her birthday is on Christmas Day.
So there's that.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
You're gonna be sixty one when your child graduates high school. Yep,
I think it, you know, I think it's gonna keep
you young.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
That's good. That's good math, Clay. I just I had
a I mean that is like that is a.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I might be a grandfather by the time probably, maybe not,
maybe not. I don't know what the math is. Yeah,
probably I was twenty sixteen year old boy. I mean,
if we're going, if we're going eighteen, you would think,
I mean, but he'll be thirty four. And the boys
these days, I mean, you're one then out. I mean, like,
men wait a long time to have kids a lot
(02:27):
of times now. So so maybe I would like to think, Yes,
I would like to think I'll be a grandpa with that. Oh,
Clay not really helping with my I think I'm getting
old thing right now. You know, man, you're gonna have
all kinds of back pain when you go to your
kids high school graduation. Anyway, Yes, we're very excited about
all of that, except for the back pain part. So
it's the holiday. The news is gonna be slowing down
(02:49):
a bit. One thing we have here just to go
go through, so you're up to speed on it. New
York Judge Merchan in the Trump hush money case, the
most preposterous of the four criminal cases against Donald Trump,
which is saying something, but the most preposterous was this
New York Alvin Bragg pushed hush money thing. It's not
(03:12):
even with the hush money, actually I apologize even that's
how it's written here on ABC News George Stephanopolos's place
what does Trump call him again, slop Adopoulos. That's pretty great, Nick,
and actually super perceptive. Now that he's had to pay
a million dollars Trump, can you imagine how angry Slapadopoulos
(03:36):
is to have to write that check or set send
that wire to Trump. And I'm not kidding when I
say think about what Trump can do with that money
in his presidential library. He can legitimately say, hey, the
fake news wing endowed by ABC News, which was forced
to pay me fifteen million dollars. He can give George Slapadopoulos,
(03:59):
the chair of the fake news era.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Inside of that. But yet, I.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Would not be surprised Buck if there is a major
fight inside of ABC News over that settlement. And I
guarantee you Stepanopoulis did not want to cut that check,
but Slapadopoulis million dollars into Trump based on his inability
to correctly say what the civil court jury did in
(04:27):
that case, Slavopolis, I would just point out that the
real case was about a business records and the story.
You really have to try to keep this, keep all
this straight. Alvin Bragg decided that Donald Trump writing up
a lawful payment using his own money for something that
(04:51):
if he had used campaign funds for, would have clearly
then been hit with a campaign finance violation. Using his
own money for an in total totally lawful nuisance. NDA
payment was actually a grand scheme to defraud the American
voters of their right to know what they should have
(05:12):
known before the election, which therefore made it a felony
because it then touched on federal election law and not
just local New York law. Honestly, it would be hard
to come up with a more egregious abuse of legal
principle and legal plain language than what Alvin Bragg did.
(05:34):
Judge Merchan is not throwing it out. He said that
the evidence entirely related to unofficial conduct and poses no
danger of intrusion on the authority and function of the
executive branch. Thirty four felony counts of falsifying business records
stacking the counts, which is also unethical, I might add,
(05:55):
because it's one it's really one act, and as I've
explained before, this is important for all the prosecutors know this. Theoretically,
if somebody's passing a joint back and forth, every time
you've passed, that is a new possession crime. Nobody charges
you if you're on video, you know what a drug
dealer or you know, doing drugs or something. No one
charges you twenty times for one joint. If they're going
(06:16):
to charge you, which they shouldn't for just a joint,
but put that aside. If they're going to charge you,
they just charge you for the one crime. Right, we all,
this is what they did thirty four times. Clay, what
do you think is going on with merchand here? So
Merchant has pushed back sentencing on this case, and I
think that has been seen as a victory for Donald Trump.
(06:36):
And I think he's afraid to give Trump too many
victories inside of New York City. So he's an activist,
left wing judge. And I actually think this is an
intriguing court decision in general that has not been very
discussed because it's Trump and everybody just is focused on Trump.
(06:58):
But what the Supreme Court said was basically, we can
distinguish between official and unofficial acts when it comes to
where the number of presidential power goes.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And you and I have talked about this for some time.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
If the President of the United States picked up a
paperweight from the resolute desk and smashed an associate an
employee in the face with that paperweight, causing a significant injury.
That would be an unofficial act. In other words, you
could be charged with assault and battery inside of the
(07:33):
White House, even though you're the President of the United States.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
If you engaged in that.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
The president let's say, punches his wife or in some
way engages in a violent act, it's not directly involving
the presidential acts itself. That's going to matter tremendously for
every president for the rest of our lives and for
every president for hundreds of years. They're going to have
(07:59):
to argue is this an official or unofficial act. The
challenge with this charge that has been brought in New
York City, which is holy illegitimate, which I think on
a legal analysis basis to what you kind of hit
on Buck, they had to find a second crime in
order to elevate this from a misdemeanor to a felony.
I think the hook that they used to do that
(08:21):
is actually not legal, and I think that's where this
case is going to get overturned at some point on appeal.
But I don't know that I disagree with the concept
here that this is an unofficial act because it occurred
before Trump was president of the United States. Now that
then turns into an actual interesting argument, because Buck, he
(08:43):
didn't pay until he was president of the United States.
So this is such a nerdy thing. But when does
the act itself occur? For purposes of analyzing what is
official and unofficial acts?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Is it the.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Agreement to pay which occurred before Trump were president or
is it the actual payment which occurred after Trump were president.
This is the kind of thing, Buck, that lawyers sit
around debating. And if that sounds intriguing to you, and
you are sixteen years old listening to us right now,
you're going to love law school, young man or young woman.
(09:22):
If that makes your eyeballs roll back into your head
and you think to yourself, oh my goodness, that debate
sounds awful, then the law might not be for you.
And regardless, you're probably going to spend a bunch of
time doing docker view if you're a young lawyer anyway,
most of the time. But does that make sense to you?
That it actually to me is kind of a really
(09:43):
fascinating application of this decision from the Supreme Court, which
doesn't have a clear cut answer. I think this case
is going to get tossed on appeal eventually. I think
the case in Georgia that Fanny Willis brought is total
garbage and directly implicates presidentential powers. I'm not sure exactly
(10:03):
whether that's the lynchpin to get it tossed out. This
is me being a legal nerd trying to analyze this,
and that's really what the appeal is going to be.
I believe focused on as it pertains to presidential powers.
So you're not worried about it, though, No you don't,
and I don't think Trump really is. I just think
he wants the vindication of the case being dismissed because
(10:25):
I think he sees it for what it is, which
is total BS. And really they're telling you it's total
BS because they're now not going to have the sentencing
until twenty twenty nine at the earliest, and they'll just
push it off to the side. Once Trump's no longer president.
Nobody's going to care about this. You know, I was
asked it was on her podcast, so I can say
it wasn't like offline.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
You know, I try to keep confidence. Is Kim Strassel
the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I did her podcast, and you know, the Wall Street
Journal is obviously very establishment, right of center, establishment Republican.
It's a great paper. Kim is a fantastic editorial commonist.
But she asked me about this, this fear of a
vindictive Trump, or this fear that there will be retribution
from Trump, And to this, it's funny because I don't
(11:12):
just dismiss out of hand that there should there need
to actually be consequences for people who have done some
of these things. So I would I didn't sit there
and say, oh, no, I don't think Trump is I
think he's gonna let bygones be bygones with everybody and
everything is fine. No, I believe that would be unjust.
I think that would actually be wrong. I think to
be personally vindictive and to be unconstitutional or unlawful in
(11:38):
your approach to any American is wrong. But if people
broke the law, they should pay the price, and you
know that's their approach to Trump. I bring it up, Clay,
just because I don't see a way that through the
law anything can be done about what's going on here
in New York against Donald Trump. But there need to
(11:59):
at least be political consequences for it. I mean, there
has to be. What they've done is so atrocious that
it cannot be forgotten and forgiven. You know, that's my
take on it. Well, I think again, the Supreme Court
decision is going to severely curtail what they did to
Trump because so much of what a president does is
arguably within the purview of presidential powers. Investigating the outcome
(12:23):
of an election is definitely within the purview of presidential powers.
Telling your Department of Justice to undertake an investigation is
certainly within presidential powers. Calling individual, in my opinion, calling
individual state attorney generals and elections officials and inquiring about
the legitimacy of their vote count, to me, is clearly
(12:46):
within the purview of a president. And so I think
they've made it going forward. The Supreme Court, to their credit,
has made it much more difficult to bring these kind
of charges going forward. And I think you would agree,
and I think most of our audience would agree. The
president's not above the law. But if you're going to
charge the president with a crime, it needs to be
(13:08):
a crime that doesn't have anything at all to do
with the execution of his duties as president of the
United States. If the president got super drunk. I don't
care who he is, and he got in a car
and you know, he mowed down three people because he
was at a you know, a point two oh or
something on the you know, yeah, I know that you
actually have you've you've committed real crime with real victims,
(13:29):
and you need to pay the price for that. I
don't care who the president is or what the situation
is around the politics of it. A business records case
against the president is this is absurd. It's it's absurd.
There's no other way to say it. And look, I'll
give you an example of something that would clearly not
be within presidential powers that has been a scandal in
recent history, Bill Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky, even though
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it occurred in the oval office, much of the activity
surrounding it.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
If he had engaged.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
In some sort of criminal act and she had charged
him with some sort of criminal acts sexual assault, rape,
whatever it would have been, that could have been investigated
and pursued against the president of the United States. To
your point, the president is protected from a lot of
criminal acts because he doesn't do a lot of things
that could be criminal in nature. For instance, the president
(14:18):
can drive a car, So it would be really difficult
for the president to get a dui and hit anybody.
And to my knowledge, you know better than me, Buck,
I don't imagine they let the president have access to guns, right.
I wouldn't think the Secret Service would allow the president
to like have a handgun around him. I could be wrong.
I mean, that's funny, that's a funny que. I mean,
(14:40):
who was the last president to be strapped?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I mean, while they're president, don't tell me. Teddy Roosevelt
was the military, and.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I get it, but yeah, who was the last you
could you even do it? Right?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Like? If Donald Trump loved guns and he was like, hey,
I want to carry a firearm on me at all times,
I don't. I don't think they would let him do
it because of the danger that he might shoot himself. Again,
have you ever heard this discussed? I don't know. I
think it's a fascinating question, but it kind of gets
into the difficulty of the president committing a lot of
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of the final hour of the Tuesday edition of the program.
With some data out there about how pet owners voted.
I'll let Buck guess at it. I've got it in
front of me right now. I think it's going to
be really entertaining for what you guys are able to
(17:18):
glean from that, and maybe, just possibly Jade Vance is
going to be vindicated in some of the data that
we will be sharing with all of you. There's a
little bit of a tease about what the data might
reflect when it comes to how people voted. Funny reminds
me of these memes that I'm seeing about how when
you see a guy walking a doodle, any kind of doodle,
(17:41):
whether he has a wedding ring or not, just know
that he's taken.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
It's totally true, totally true.
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Every guy that I see with a doodle, it's the
wife's or the girlfriends now. Not that we don't love
our doodles guys, but there's no single guys walking around
with doodles.
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attention to. Again, we've been talking about the fifteen million
dollar Trump settlement, the impact Trump has filed a bunch
of different lawsuits against a variety of different media outlets.
We've also been talking about the judge merchand decision and
the fact that he's not going to toss the felony conviction.
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hit you with this data point.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I flagged it.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
In the meantime, we'll have some fun with that data
when buckets backed. But I did flag this this morning
from the Wall Street Journal. This stat blew my mind.
It's called why the US is trouncing Europe, and it's
about why our economic success is so much more substantial
than everybody in the European Union. And I couldn't believe this.
(19:56):
While Europe has created the entire European content, has created
fourteen companies worth more than ten billion dollars in the
past fifty years. That's got about four hundred billion dollars
of market value in total.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
All right, So I like to look at the data.
All of Europe.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Fourteen companies worth more than ten billion in the past
fifty years. What about America? Americans have created two hundred
and fifty companies worth ten billion dollars or more, and
those companies are now worth thirty trillion dollars. So the
(20:41):
argument in this in this piece is that Americans are
willing to take risks when it comes to creating new businesses,
and that our nation creates the structure under which those
new businesses can be able to grow. But that staggered
(21:02):
me when you consider all of Europe has created about
four hundred billion dollars in market value, the United States
in the last fifty years has created thirty trillion. So
I'm not great at math, but we are about sixty
times as productive when it comes to using our economic
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structure to create something new, and I do think it's
worth contemplating and thinking about what that says about us
in a larger context. It is that America has always
embraced risk and it's a huge part of our DNA
as a nation. And if you think about why that
would be was pretty risky back in the day to
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decide that you were going to get on a ship
and leave behind everything that you had ever seen before
and come to a new land. And I would submit
to you that the culture of America rewards risk taking
and is ingrained with risk takers more than almost any
country in the world. And that's what that data reflects
(22:09):
right there. Buck, you are back, Let's go to break
here we come back. We'll close out the show with
some fun as it pertains. Ironically, you had an issue
with your dog, and I'm gonna give you the pet
data on how pet owners voted in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I was about to come on Aaron say I love
my dog so much. We want to put a little
Santa hat on her.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And she's amazing and I'm a big doodle person, after
never thinking I would be. She's barfing downstairs because she
probably you know, she gets Tommy aches from you know
if her filet mignon has a little too much marbled
fat in it or something. I mean, this is the
most spoiled dog on the planet. It's amazing that she
comes from wolves Clay, Like, really, I don't know how
that's even possible, but yes, there's.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
A lot of generations since they were wolves.
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Speaker 1 (23:59):
Get you Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
This is from Axios, and I tease this for a
little while, but I found this to be really interesting.
Men who own cats or dogs Buck mostly voted for Trump.
That is, if you are a guy and you have
a dog, probably doesn't surprise you you voted Trump. Men
who have dogs voted Trump nearly sixty forty kind of like,
(24:29):
would you expect that to be true?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Absolutely? But I would also throw in there if you
broke the dogs down by breed, Oh, let's see, you
would see substantial patterns of what kind of uh you know,
I think if bigger the dogs, you're bigger the dog,
more likely you voted for Trump. You know, my brother
has a Pomeranian and one of our jokes is that
(24:53):
the Pomeranian case that he carries as an elderly Pomeranian
and very elderly now. And the case that he's carried
around in also doubles as a fantastic concealed carry bag.
So there's there's you know, you wouldn't expect it with
the pomp. But yes, I think Labrador. If you're a
Labrador owner, a Golden Retriever owners, as I'm talking about
(25:14):
John Shepherd, German Shepherd, you're you're gonna be I think
even higher, Like I bet that's eighty twenty Trump versus
Biden voters.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I bet you're right.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
But even men with cats, even men who only had cats,
voted Trump fifty two forty six. Okay, what about women?
This is that again, this is vindication for JD.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Vance.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
If you are a woman who has a cat, you
voted sixty forty for Kamala Harris. So men with dogs
and women with cats almost completely flipped how they vote.
I mean that's kind of fascinating to me. I mean,
I think intuitively a lot of you would guess it.
(25:58):
Men with dogs sixty f forty Trump, women with cats
sixty forty four Kamala.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
And this is.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Interesting, Buck. If you are a woman with a dog,
you voted for Trump by five. So again, women with
dog owners pretty substantially voting Trump over Kamala cat owners
at least when it comes to women. So Jade Vance's
women cat owners like single women with cats. That is
(26:29):
the base potentially of the Democrat party. He was actually correct.
And before anybody gets a little you know, it's the
Christmas season, Christmas spirit whatever, to feel loved and happy.
Clay is a cat owner, well this is so that's
not something that I a cat owner, So don't think
that you know, we understand there are some there's always
(26:49):
exceptions to the rule, and cat is not. I mean
Clay has more than one cat. In fact, I have
seen them scurrying around the house. It's an awful decision
the family. By the way, if you have dogs and cats,
you voted Trump pretty substantially as well. So it's just
I am the exception here.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I am.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
And for those who don't know, during COVID, when all
the schools were shut down and everybody was getting pets,
I have steadfastly refused to get cats. My wife has
wanted to get cats in the house for a long time.
She had the three boys give a persuasive speech because
they were out of school, so she assigned them to
(27:31):
each have to do a persuasive speech on why we
should get a cat, and that is how we ended
up with two cats inside of the house. So that
in and of itself is kind of a I think
it fulfills a lot of the expectations that would be
out there. But I did find it kind of staggering
(27:54):
just how true it was women with cats. Now, this
isn't broken down married versus single, so to be fair,
married couples tended to vote Trump over over Kamala regardless,
But it is kind of interesting that the stereotype completely
fills there. Wouldn't you have bet buck that dog owning
(28:16):
men would overwhelmingly vote Trump and that cat owning women
would be more likely to vote Kamala. I mean, it's
kind of a mirror image of how amazing that is.
This is the stereotype that's already out there, and stereotypes
sometimes exists based on a snapshot of perception, which is
based on a snapshot of data. So yeah, it's not
(28:36):
a not a shock at all. I do wish that
we had breed breakdown, because I think that would be fascinating.
I would guess I don't know. I would guess pitbull
ownership probably fifty to fifty Democrat and Republican. I would
get you know, you get into some of these, I
think that some of these, well, some pit bulls are
owned by minority groups. Is that what you're kind of
(28:58):
getting at with the disproportion pit bulls disproportionately Again, this
is very generally speaking, but disproportionately pit bulls tend to
have minority owners, which is also part of why sometimes
the discussion about pit bulls get so heated because people
feel very heated about their positions about you know, whether
these dogs are more of a public safety risk than
(29:19):
other dogs. So yeah, you know, because people feel like
they're being singled out or they're being called out for
their dog choice. I think, you know, doodles, like I said,
I found my producer Alli jumped in, totally true. No guy,
no like sing No guy's walking around with his doodle
who's single. There's always a girlfriend or a or you know,
(29:39):
or a husband whatever. But there's always another partner in
the mix for a guy walking in doodle. And then
you get into the more exotic pets where I think
that would be a tougher one to like if you happen.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
To own more.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
You know, ferret is a very popular pet, like a
large percentage of the people that don't have a dog
or a cat. Ferret, I think for a mammal is
number number three or number four most common pet. I've
actually done some research into this because I kind of
wanted to get a pet fox for a while, but
I've since found out they stink and they like they
(30:13):
actually scent everything, and they want to dig through your
your living room floor, so that's not good. But yeah,
a lot of people have ferrets. Do you know there's
more tigers in Texas than in the wild. We're turning
into the kid from Jeremy, but you know that you
would Headleighs eight pounds. I mean, you're talking about this
is a this is a stat that is accurate as
(30:35):
stats should be. There are more tigers in captivity in
Texas than tigers that live in the wild. That's a
pretty that's a pretty wild stat.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah. Yeah, so it ties in because.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Your point on I'm thinking about how many mammals are
actually pets, right, obviously dogs, cats, I would have not
guessed that ferret is on the top of any of these.
I wonder how ferret voters would What do you think
snake owners snake Ownerkamala, I'm sure we have a couple
of wonderful, patriotic snake owners listening. I think snake owners
(31:11):
break for Democrat eighty percent. I actually I don't know
that I disagree, but I'm trying to think through do
you think male The only thing that I would push
back on there is potentially I tend to think men
have more snakes than more snakes than women do.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I don't know, but if I've ever been on a
date and the woman said I have a pet snake
at home, I was like, I don't know, if there's
a second date, I wouldn't date. I wouldn't date a
woman who was at a pet snake. I've said this before,
Like she would have to be so incredibly hot in
order for me to even be willing to I wouldn't
be able to sleep at night. If you, snakes always
(31:52):
get out, this is they're always like hey, I never
would have thought, you know, how do this? Everyone who
has a snake, the snake escapes the cage, the the
the captivity. At some point and is just loose and
I had you know, I had a nightmare the other night.
Buck woke up screaming, woke my wife up, wife up
because I was dreaming that I was about to be
(32:13):
struck by a rattlesnake. I'm very anti snake. I have
a lot of nightmares about snakes. I don't like them. Uh,
they make me uncomfortable even thinking about them. So the
idea that someone would have a snake and I would
be in that house, I couldn't do it. I wouldn't
do it. I wouldn't I wouldn't stand. I would cancel
that relationship immediately. This is how comfortable we are with
this audience. Clay is now sharing his dreams about snakes.
(32:37):
I woke my wife up screaming that I was about
to be eaten by a about to be struck by
Ali points out Ali. Ali's always producer. Alley's always got
your back. She points out right away that you know
the weakness, the the kryptonite of Indiana Jones if you will.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Oh, that's true. So you're in good company with that one. Uh,
you're in good company either.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
More. I've seen and been around alligators. By the alligator's
doing but I think alligators are kind of cool. I've
seen a fair amount of alligators now since they moved
to Florida. Snakes, though, still freak me out a little bit.
And they're an invasive species down here. The Burmese python
big problem, so people have to go. Do you see
the megaviral clip of the alligator carrying the insanely large python.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I think it was in the Everglades? Yes. Yeah. That
concept of.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
This is like when kids sit around and one day
we'll be having these conversations with your soon to be
son a lot.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I've had them a lot over the years.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Boys in particular like to just sit around and think
about which animal would win if two animals fight. I mean,
it is a never ending concept that.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
They did that.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
On the Joe Rogan Show, Joe Rogan started talk. I
saw this was he's like a gorilla or a bear?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
You know. They had this old conversation.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
So the but the video of the alligator carrying the
huge python, I don't reckon. I don't know that we
have seen an invasive species like the python in modern
American history. It's taken over in the Everglades. I mean,
there are tens of big problems for native now for
native species, yeah, you know it'll eit.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
You know, a lot of the bird eggs.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
The problem for alligators actually they'll they'll constrict and then
and then eat smaller alligators. Let's get into the Christmas
stuff here in the mailbag for a second. We've got
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Paul writes in VIP paul best action movie True Lies.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I like True Lies.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I don't think Paul it breaks the top ten for me,
but you know, to each his own, I mean, taste
is taste, and you know you're allowed to be a
huge True Lies fan. I don't even think True Lies
is like top fifteen or twenty.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I get take it up with the VIP Paul.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
I mean, he's gonna feel a little, a little, a
little burned right now by this one.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
True Lies doesn't make the top the top list for me.
I will say it was the only thing I've ever
seen Roseanne's ex husband in where I thought he was good.
Uh you know what I mean. What's that guy's name,
Tom Arnold? Tom Arnold Tom Allen, whoa Tom Allen? Yes, yeah,
Jack writes in I thumb up, thump, Sorry, I give
(35:17):
a thumbs up to Bill O'Reilly's comment on the Alastair
sim version being the best. Have watched it annually for decades,
still brings a smile at the end. I'm adding this
to my list, Clay, I think a great version of
a Christmas Carol would be a lot of fun. This
is a good one and I should have thought of it.
Mark writes in Best Action Movie, hands down, Braveheart, Mel Gibson,
(35:42):
this is I consider that his your that's my favorite
movie of all time. But I consider that historical, historical epic,
not an action movie, as too much of the history. Yeah, yeah,
so that's the yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Gladiator.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, I think Gladiators historical epic because it's really I mean,
some of these movies we're talking about, like if you
watch Commando or Predator, some of the Stallone and Schwarzenegger stuff,
the whole movie is just an excuse for action, Like
there's no real plot or dialogue worthy of the name.
So I think those other movies. In Braveheart won Best Picture,
Gladiator won Best Picture. So to me, those are historical epics. Now,
(36:17):
Rambo wasn't nominated for Best Picture, even as fine of
a film as it was. Yes, and neither was Commando.
Even though you can watch that movie one hundred times,
it never gets old. Haven At Merry Christmas, everybody. We'll
be talking to you more obviously tomorrow, rest of this week.
Play's actually got you solo on Friday, but send us
Christmas thoughts, Christmas cheer, all the above, talk back on
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Gonna go Hi to Ginger check them so it's gonna
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