May 13, 2024 • 36 mins
Florida Senator Marco Rubio joins Buck to discuss the Trump trial, whether he'd run as Trump's VP, the anti-Israel protests, Joe Biden's Israel sellout and more. Bernie Sanders: Israel should not get another nickel of U.S. aid. VIP emails and calls. Jerry Seinfeld's Duke commencement speech.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour, clay En Bucket's going now. We are joined
by Senator Marco Rubio of Florida. Senator Rubio, great, talk to.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
You again, Hey, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Let's start with this one, I mean, your colleague and
the Senate j. Ed Vance was outside of the courthouse
in New York this morning just giving his overview analysis
of what an outrage the whole thing is, how despicable
he finds the whole trial as you see this in
Michael Cohen, the star witness, and all the media focus
on it play out in New York. What are your
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thoughts as somebody who serves this country and loves this country.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
My thoughts are that we have sanctioned other countries for
doing this in their politics, and anti democratic is basically
the targeting of the opposite the leading opposition candidate in
the next election, not with one trial, but with numerous
trials in the most one of the most liberal counties
in America, with a Biden supporting judge, a Biden supporting
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process com who doesn't even go after violent criminals, but
has charged them on this, on this, on this ridiculous
bookkeeping charge that they've extended to a felony by finagling
federal law for reasons that I can't and explain how
crazy that is. It's just And then on top of that,
the president it's mired every single day by including witnesses
in this trial like Michael Cohen, and if he responds,
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he gets fined and now threatened with jail. This trial,
of all the trials, I think are ridiculous, all of them,
but this one in particular is the most ridiculous. It
makes the country look like a third world banana republic,
like a kangaroo court democracy. It's an outrage. It's a
complete and total outage. If that trial was brought in
any other jurisdiction in America, just a normal, regular middle
road jurisdiction, there's no way to get a conviction if
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Donald Trump's last name is anything. No other person there
is not a single other person in the world who
this prosecutor would have charged with this with the same
set of facts, other than Donald Trump. So the whole
thing is I think an embarrassment to the country and
an outrage, and I think people see it for what
it is.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Senator, When it comes to that last point is I
think the critical one. The issue of the American people
seeing through this. Not all of them obviously are going
to see truth and reality. But how would you describe
your confidence at this point that this campaign sort of generally,
not just New York, but more broadly as well of
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legal or of law fair. You could say the legal
assault on Donald Trump is politically backfiring. Are you seeing
that already? You think it's too soon to tell.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I think even Democrats are embarrassed by it, which is
why they barely talk about it. I mean, the commentators giggle,
and you know, CNN is like wall to wall coverage,
even though they can't cover it. They're in the courtroom
like I guess someone's texting out what's happening. But beyond that,
like the average every day hard working person, they see
it for what Even people that aren't going to vote
for Trump, even people that may not like Trump. No
one is under any illusion about what this is about.
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And of all places, Manhattan, where you have a district
attorney that they if you kill a couple of people,
you might not even be charged. I mean you'll certainly
be out on They all waiting a trial, and then
you drop the charges to something lower. You've got a
city where they this DA has notoriously not gone after
violent criminals and given people the ace and the ninth
chance to go out and reoffend. But they bring this
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charge and with this much resources and time. So I
think people know there's no way with a straight face
to argue that this trial is a legitimate trial or
is anything other than political. And I do think that
among it's certainly motivating a lot of Trump's supporters, but
I think it's also influencing a lot of other people
that are asking themselves if, in fact, this guy is
so terrible and he's so bad and Biden's so good,
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then why are they afraid to run against them? Why
are they doing everything possible and to keep him from
being able to campaign and uh and stand for election.
In fact, if you read some of the press coverage,
they have flat out or saying why aren't all of
these trials happening beforehand? All these trials need to happen now,
They need to happen right away. They've got to figure
out a way to bring this to trial before the election.
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They all want this to happen now because I believe
the only way they think they can beat them at
this point speaking.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
To Senator Marco Rubio of Florida and Senator I'm sure
you've seen that with all the stuff going on in
the world of prosecuting Donald Trump, the polls have him
across the board ahead in the swing states and mostly
considerably ahead and in some cases ahead in every swing state.
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So the election if it were today, which we know
it's not so many months off, but it would look
very good for Donald Trump as it stands now. Would
you want to be a part of this if offered?
Have you discussed being a VP with former President Trump?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Never? I've never talked to anybody on the campaign about it.
I've read about it in these papers, but I've never
heard it. And the reason I'm not trying to be cloy,
the reason why I don't spend a lot of time
thinking about it or talking about it, is because, frankly,
there's only one person on the planet who knows who
that's going to be, and that's Donald Trump, not his advisor,
not the people with inside knowledge of the campaign. He's
the only one He'll make that decision and he's the
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only one that knows, So hearing it from anybody other
than him is really not something that I would put
a lot of credence in now. Look, just to be mentioned,
I guess you know, is an honor in and of itself,
and I would say this to you. Look, these people,
I truly believe if Joe Biden gets another term, these
people will destroy the country. They are doing it already.
Just think about immigration, ten million people, How many are
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in three years? How many are going to come in
over the next four three and at four and a
half if he gets re elected. Okay, just that alone.
Look at the damage he's done to us around the world.
What happened with Afghanistan since that moment, Ukraine's been invaded,
Israel's been attacked, not being a lot covered every day,
but China is constantly harassing the Philippines and Taiwan that
could break out at any moment. North Korea's firing missiles
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again of greater and great and greater Lothalities. The world's
gone nuts. Here at home, we got pro Hamas if
I never, in mind wildest dreams that I ever believed
we would see pro hamas sympathizers of terrorist them taking
over college campuses and flying the Palestinian flag over our
campuses and disrupting graduation ceremonies and finals and classes.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Do you think on the campus protester center, do you
think that's a real legitimate challenge for the Democrats politically
or do you think it'll fade away.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Well, I think it's a challenge because it's not just
about the issue of the month. The issue now that
they're focused on is this issue of Hamas and Palestine
and their hatred of Israel. But this is the same movement,
by the way, the same group of people that are
constantly arguing that the US is an evil country of
colonizers that were imperialists, This is a nation founded on
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white supremacy, that the world is divided between victims and victimizers,
and we are the victimizers, and so it's an anti Western,
anti US sentiment. That are the same people that tomorrow
the cause will be something else. But at its core
is they hate the country. They want America destroy. They
don't view this as a special country worth saving. They
view it as an inherently terrible one that needs to
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be torn down and rebuilt into something else, and that
includes not having bordered and things of that nature. So
that movement is an enormous liability because it has become
a core of the Democratic Party. Not every Democrat, a
lot of Democrats don't agree with them, but that's where
they get their activists, that's where they get their staff,
that's where they populated the State Department and all the
other agencies of government. From these are the people that
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help them raise money. Who funds these groups We know
now it is people that have given millions and millions
of dollars to Democratic causes who are funding this movement
or the groups that are the seed money for this movement.
So it's a huge liability because it pulls Democrats further
and further away in their policies from the everyday American,
including some who are registered as Democrats, are independent, and
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that's why you're seeing Trump doing well among working class Hispanics,
working class African Americans, working class people across the board.
The Democrats have moved so far to the radical left
because of this core base of their party that it
is more and more people can't coexist with them politically.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
It seems also that Biden, who's in my view, spent
his entire life just trying to find whatever the thing
is that he's supposed to say for the most popularity
among Democrats in the moment. I mean, I really think
that has been what his political career has been devoted to.
He seems to have been stumped a little bit here
on this issue of you know, Hamas and Israel and
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the pro Palestinian and anti Semitic factions on campus and
all the rest of it, to the point where he
even started talking about him. You've worked a lot on
a foreign affair side of the Senate and foreign policy.
For a president to seemingly bend the knee on an
issue as important as arms provision to Israel when it's
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in an ongoing military campaign, I mean this is because
he's really worried about losing Michigan. Is it that simple?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah? Well, and I think there's two things happening here.
You've got one element of the Democratic Party that supports Israel,
wants us to support ise and you've seen some of
these members of Congress sending letters and criticizing it. And
then the other element are the people in his campaign,
the people and staffing different levels of the State Department,
and it's political advisors that are saying, you know, we've
got to do something to appease this group. Because of
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this group stayed home and doesn't vote for us. We're
going to lose the election. And so he's trying to
have it both ways. He wants to go around saying
I'm ironclad with Israel, but then he tries to appease
them by saying, but I'm going to cut off their
weapons as they go into Rafa, or I hate I'm
not pro Israel, but I don't like net Yok. So
they've tried a lot of different strategies to try to
have it both ways. Here this is not the kind
of issue you can have it both ways. You're either
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with Israel or you're with the terrorists. You're either supporting
Israel's right to destroy this group that did these horrible things,
or you're not. You're in favor of that group surviving
and coming back and doing it again in the future.
And this is not something this is not a needle
he can thread. But he is trying to balance that
internally because he's I imagine, getting a tremendous amount of
pressure from elements of his own staff, I would imagine,
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And so because they're core of the Democratic Party but
off the donor base and the political advisors who are
basically saying if we lose Michigan, we're finished. If we lose,
and then it's so we're finished, and and that these
voters stay home across the country, young people and so
forth were finished. So in an election that's supposed to
be close, I imagine they're very worried about this element of
their days that not coming out to vote, and they're
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trying to them and they're doing damage to the country.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
As a We're speaking to center Mark or Rubio of
Florida and to that end of center Ruby, I know
you're a University of Miami guy from law school, right,
so you're you Miami Florida Gator.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Let's I mean, we got to get that right. That's
not what I went to undergrad.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I was gonna say next, I mean you and my
wife are both Florida Gators. And she corrected me. Recently,
she just said UF. I think I said you of F.
She said, no, it's just UF. So I'm learning the
Gator ways. But about all these schools and the protests
and that's going on, there have been some states where
this has been with you know, with very large universities,
very very popular university systems, where this has been very
(10:52):
absent uh, you know, there have been little bits of
it here and there, and it gets shut down very quickly.
How do you feel as a as a uf alum
and why has it been different? Is it really just
your colleague former colleague in the Senate sass as the
Chancellor has just said, we're not doing that nonsense here.
What's been the difference?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I think there's no doubt that's been key to it.
It's you know, if you allow groups to say it's
set up camp and put up tents and take over buildings,
word gets out and people are going to gravitate, They're
going to go there. They'll say this is the place
we need to go because they're allowing them to stay.
And then that encampment builds, and then these professional agitators
come in and guide them towards what's the next step.
They hand out guide This is how you get arrested,
(11:30):
This is how we resist, this is how we break
into buildings. These are you're right, this is what you
need to do. This is how to cover your face,
and no, we're going to take a picture of you
and then not hire you in the future when you
try to get a job. I do think that if
you've seen some of the commonality. Some of the biggest
issues here have been in New York and Los Angeles,
a little bit in Washington, DC. These are big cities
where a small group of students can become a magnet
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to bring in these professional agitators and you know, part
of this whole anti American movement who are always looking
for a cause to latch onto, and they join and
suddenly you know, you've got these encampments going on, and
you've got straight up violence and chaos. These are not protests.
These are a riot. These are unlawful demonstrations, disruptive and harmful.
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And even if every and I always laughing at me
and he says, wow, there's no evidence that they're outside agitators. Okay,
I mean there is, and and there's plenty of evidence
who's printing all this stuff, making all the signs, these
fancy tenstering and all that. But even if every person
in those encampments was a student in most of these universities,
you're talking about a very small percentage of the student body,
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very very small percentage of the student body that's participating.
But they're joined by these outside agitators and they're willing
to be violent and disruptive and illegal and what they do,
and they've got and caused tremendous harm to these institutions.
For the life of me, I don't know why anybody
who want to go to one of these schools right.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Now, Senator Mark Ruvio, Florida Senator, as a fellow Floridian,
thank you so much for being here. Appreciate it all right,
go gators, Yes, sir, I'm gonna tell my wife should
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or wherever you get your podcasts. On this issue of Israel,
the politics of the twenty twenty four election and the
war against a mos and how it's all shaking out
right now, there are a few things that I believe
are worth mentioning. First of all, you have Bernie Sanders.
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Bernie Sanders is a Jewish American, as you know, member
of the Senate, and he he is representative of a
lot of left wing Jews in America who are very
critical of Israel. This is what I keep bringing this
up whenever there's talk of oh, there'll be a huge
revolt in the Jewish vote against Joe Biden because of
(15:16):
what we have seen happen with his double cross of
Israel at a key moment. I don't think it's going
to be that substantial because on these protests. Believe it
or not, there are many Jewish students who are part
of the anti Israel protests. There are Jewish professors. The
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most anti Israel professor I ever studied within college, and
I studied with a bunch. I could have done a
double major in Middle Eastern studies if I just wanted
to fill out the paperwork was Jewish. So, believe it
or not, this is a and I know you do
believe it, but this is a very especially in academia
you have they're Jews, they tend to be atheists, very
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left wing. They're often in academia media, and they're very
critical of Israel. So it's not this uniform support that
many people believe who haven't lived in communities like New
York and Los Angeles and others where there's a large
Jewish population and some of them are really opposed to
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Israel and hate net and Yahoo and all this stuff.
So here's Bernie Sanders who's saying Israel should not get
another nickel in US military aid. Play it.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
The reality is is I think any objective observing those
Israel has broken international law, it has broken American law,
and in my view, Israel should not be receiving another
nickel in US military aid. The Foreign Assistance Act is
very very clear sixty two to one the provision any entity,
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any state, any country that blocks US humanitarian aid is
in violation of law and should not continue to receive
military aid from the United States. That is precisely it
Israel has done.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I notice also that he's saying Israel is violated international law.
This standard that Israel's held to in combat operations is
an impossible one, which is any civilian death whatsoever from
a military operation is a war crime. Is the way
that it is treated. Look, I was in Afghanistan. There
(17:30):
were times where we hit the wrong stuff and we
didn't mean to. And everyone knows about this. There are
reports on this, news reports on it. Remember when Obama
was calling in all those drone strikes or you know,
signing off on drone strikes. Drone strikes were killing civilians
on a regular base. No one cared, No one. I
mean I shouldn't say no one cared, but it wasn't.
We didn't have calls of oh he's a war criminal
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coming from the left. They didn't care, that's for sure.
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He writes, I'm a Jew and Bernie's view of Israel
represents maybe five percent of Jew's feelings about Israel. I
don't know any Jew personally that has this hatred for
Israel like Bernie. All his views are extreme, you know,
your Norm. That's a very important part of this discussion.
I think, how big is this contingent that I'm talking about?
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You know, you have sixty percent of American Jews tend
to vote Democrats, sixty to sixty five. Clearly sixty to
sixty five percent don't oppose Israel or so what is
really the number? And the best that I could find
for you is to give a sense of the number.
Now in academia, it's much higher, I'll tell you, because
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they one of the ways to advance yourself on campus
is to cater to this anti white and therefore anti Israel,
anti Jewish, DEEI, anti colonial view of history. Right, so
on campus it's more prominent. But back in twenty twenty one,
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Pew Research did a poll here and I think it
said something like twenty two percent. Are about about twenty
percent think that you know, Israel is either not important
to them, or we spend too much time on it.
So it's about one in five eighty percent of American
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Jews say Israel is something that they're emotionally attached to,
it is important to them. But it's again, so it's
really like I think you said five percent here. You're
right that it's small, but it's about twenty percent. It's
twenty percent that are not into is support, that do
not support Israel. Basically, that's the number or view US
support of Israel as problematic, et cetera. Now I would
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I would argue that that twenty percent is way overrepresented
in academia specifically and on TV. I mean, I used
to gosh, can't remember the guy's name. He has like
a very high voice, like he's always he was always
up here. I'm trying to Binert. I think his name
is Byinert. And he would call it television and he
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would just say like, well that's a Yahu's policies or
what's really destroying it? And he had this very and
he was always this guy's Jewish. He's very anti Israel
all the time. I debated him once or twice on
terrorists and stuff at CNN, and I was like this
is interesting. The Irish Catholic from Manhattan is like Israel
our friend and ally, and you know they're on the
(22:17):
right side of this fight for civilization. And the Jewish guy,
I don't. I think he might be from New York
to Actually I don't, I don't remember. But the Jewish
guy Binert, I think's Peter Binert. He was very critical
of Israel, you know. So I'm just saying this is
what you'll get there. There are others too, I mean,
Glenn Greenwald is very critical of Israel. You know that
there are others. I would say Glenn is as consistent
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with how he views these things. At least he doesn't change,
so you can give him points for consistency. But he's
very very critical of his Israel and Israeli policy and
the settlements and all that. So yeah, and we got
a bunch of guy are we good to try calls? Now, guys,
we're gonna give it a whirl with the telephone calls.
Hopefully the whole system doesn't crash. And I'm not talking
(23:01):
to myself in a dark room, but that wouldn't be
something I couldn't handle, because you know, live video things happen.
Rick in Virginia wants to weigh in on the Trump VP.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
What's up, Rick, Hey, buck, I just wanted to say
that Trump is not going to pick a sitting senator
to be his VAT because you can't risk what may
be a very thin Senate majority when he's trying to
get all his nominations through early. So it's either going
to be Pompeo or it'll be DeSantis and Trump will
register to vote in New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Interesting. Thank you for calling in, Rick. I think that
that depends on the state. I think there are some
states where he could have a senator where the governor
would just be able to repoint a point a replacement.
And that may even be a preferable situation, depending on
you know, the age of the senator, and you have
to look at the specific cases. It's certainly not going
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to happen in a place like Wisconsin, like we don't
talk about to Rick's point, we don't talk about Ron
john Senator Ron Johjohnson, who we like a lot here
on the program about him as a VP, because you
have a Democrat governor in that state. Now, I know
some states it's I think they know they might hold
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they have different rules for how they do this, I believe,
but you couldn't risk it there for sure. You couldn't
have a person who was a an interim senator effectively
appointed by a Democrat governor, So that would be an issue.
Another thing Senator Ran Paul in Kentucky. Same thing it is.
I was just in Kentucky. I had a great time there.
I loved the Kentucky Derby, loved hanging out with Well Clay,
(24:37):
my wife and our friends and our boss and everybody.
How Kentucky has a Democrat governor is just still I'm
just I just can't let that go. What this Kentucky?
You have a Democrat governor Kentucky? What are you doing?
Speaker 6 (24:54):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (24:54):
People?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I like Baser Okay, well you know, I hope you
liked all the double masking he made everyone do. It's
crazy to me. Uh, Larry in North Dakota. Ah, here
we go. We got a Burgham caller. What's up, Larry
in North Dakota?
Speaker 5 (25:07):
How are you buck?
Speaker 3 (25:08):
It's life is good out here, the sun is shining nice.
I just want to point I want to point out
that I realized its fascination. I think he referred to
him as Dougie b out here referred to him many
of us as King Burgham, And honestly, it has to
do obviously, he's got a lot of money. I mean,
(25:30):
and he used to have a company called Great Plaine Software.
I think the bulk of his money came out of
the cell of that to Microsoft Bill Gates. So there's
a really tight connection there, and it's kind of put
a sour taste in a lot of conservative mouth out
here in North Dakota with that, with that Bill Gates connection,
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But I think that things that a couple of things
that are important to point out. With some money that
he has, he has done a lot of influencing with
as far as our Legislative Assembly in our state and
with that the policies that go with it. I happen
to be running as for a state super House seat
and I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Seeing the donations that have come through through that.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
So there's he's uh, he's played.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Is he a conservative? I mean, let's let's get down
to brass tax here, Larry. Is he a conservative?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I'm gonna say that he is a moderate.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I think he's a moderate, okay.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
And the reason I say that, I look at the
way he handled policies regarding COVID. You've mentioned masking here
shortly a short time ago. His mask requirements were he
wasn't asking a double mask, but the rules are that.
When it turned from a recommendation of requirements, it was
this nonsense. You sit down, you can take it off.
(26:53):
If you stand up, you got to put it on.
You've got to be six feet apart all that nonsense.
And the other thing that really upset a lot of
own businesses out here, Buck is the fact that they
came up with a list of essential businesses and frankly,
a lot of these didn't make much sense. I mean
a lot of people were home unemployed because of this,
(27:16):
and it left some hardships to get.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, it was horrid. I mean COVID was COVID was
a trial run of real tyranny in this country. And
a lot of politicians, I'd say almost all politicians were cowards,
and the ones who were in office, and that includes
most Republicans too. There were some who stood firm, but
very few. Interesting. Thank you so much Larry for that
background on Burghram. You know, now here's what people can say.
(27:44):
They can tell me, well, Burgham, you know he's not
going to be president, so he'll have not that big
of a of a role in the legislative agenda that
Trump would want to pursue, assuming he has a majority
in the House in the Senate. But I also would say, look,
the vice president is really there. We have to remind
ourselves of this. The vice president does not exist to
(28:05):
help the president win election. Really, the vice president is
there in case of So you have to be able
to answer the question this way. Do you feel good
as a conservative if God forbid, during a Trump presidency,
Doug Bergham had to take over, do you feel good
about that? If the answer is no, well then we
(28:26):
got a problem. Right, This is what I was talking
about before. If the answer is I think it'd be
pretty good, I'm all right, well, then that's but we
definitely don't want a oh my gosh, the Democrats have
basically gotten a stealth presidency out of this, Like that's
what we're trying to avoid, or you know, we don't
want some sociopath as VP who the media is just
(28:47):
constantly you know, it turns into it and it turns
into a president I mean, and then the media is
just able to completely out maneuver and outplay them in politics. Right,
So there is some important points here to take look at,
and we'll take more of your costs because only this hour,
I think we've been able to get through a little
bit more on this. And I guess I don't know
(29:07):
if I I don't know, if I have time to
get into the the Jerry Seinfeld stuff, maybe we'll get
in a little bit of the Jerry Seinfeld speech here
he gave a graduation speech. Yeah, yeah, we'll talk a
little Jerry Seinfeld stuff. You know, I gotta say, I
think Seinfeld does a nice job. You know, which is
not surprising is the guy made hundreds of millions of
dollars as a comedian, so he's clearly he's clearly got
(29:28):
some ability. But I think he did a nice job
at the speech too, even though there are a bunch
of pro Hamas maniacs who did a little walk out
and the media focuses on that. Of course, we'll get
into that here coming up the Jerry Seinfeld speech. The
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What more Clay and Buck that you didn't.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Here on the show. Get podcast extras in the Clay
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few moments. Clay will be back tomorrow and that'll be exciting,
so looking forward to having it back in the mix.
He's on vacation, having great time in the mountains. I think,
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is it the Smoky Mountains, mountains of Tennessee. I get
my mountain ranges in that part of the world. Sometimes
a little confused, just to be honest with you, But yes,
he's having a great time and we will get some
more of your vip emails tomorrow. More of the Trump
trial stuff, although I don't think this Michael Cohen testimony
is doing anything other than giving journalists who hate Trump
an opportunity to revisit the Stormy Daniel's allegations, which there's
(31:57):
really nothing new in any of this, and it's all
just it's an absurdity and it's it's a disgrace the
whole thing. I am perhaps a graduation grinch because I
don't think that graduations are usually much fun. My graduations,
all of them were very boring and forgettable, and I
wish that I had had the option, certainly for college.
(32:19):
High school, I will admit, is different high school graduation.
You've been in school for four years, you know, the people,
you know, you know, they're more more formative role in
your life. So I'm really it's really more college graduations
that I find are just and you gotta like show
up to an eighty thousand person stadium and there's all
these big speakers and you gotta wait in line forever
and all, you know, depending on where you go, the
(32:40):
whole thing can be kind of a mess.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Hot.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You know, those gowns they're made out of, I don't
know what the fabric is but it's uh, is it tensil?
You know, it's some kind of like a like poly
blend anyway, not doesn't breathe. Well, this is the thing.
It's not very comfortable where those those things they put
on there. I remember my year was a big thing.
If you were going to have your diploma on on
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like a parchment paper or like sheep's bladder papers, a
big series. This was the thing, like you could get it.
You could get it on like some kind of innards
of a sheep, or you could get it on paper.
And they were people were all upset about the fact
that there was even a sheep's bladder option or something.
I don't think it was the bladder skin. Maybe it
was the skin of the sheep, as that makes sense.
(33:27):
It was some part of a sheep that you could
get the you could get the degree on. And of
course I went for the you know, the sheep option back.
So it was fine. I mean, look at Mutton, you
use it all, you get the wool. It's I don't know,
I didn't think it was that big of a deal.
But back to commencements, graduations, whatever you want to call them.
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We certainly didn't have world famous comedian Jerry Seinfeld. Mine,
that would have been helpful. He spoke at Duke and
you know, I don't want to focus on the fact
that there was a walk out steinfilm. We're gonna walk
in on Seinfeld because remember what I've said, all along
the campus left and the Democrat communists think that Israel
is white and you know, that Jewish and white, and
(34:10):
that Jerry, that everyone Israel is effectively like Jerry Seinfeld,
and that he is very you know, Caucasian in appearance
and very privileged and all this stuff. It's not true.
It's actually not the reality of Israel at all. But
that's they don't care because they're how could they care,
They don't know, They're ignorant, they're not smart. But Seinfeld
spoke about privilege specifically, and I thought this was I
(34:31):
thought Jerry did a nice job at the speech, which
is unsurprising, and so you should hear some of his
graduation wisdom. This is cut twenty nine.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Privilege is a word that has taken quite a beating lately.
Privilege today seems to be the worst thing you can have.
I would like to take a moment to defend it.
Use your privilege. I grew up a Jewish boy from
New York. That is a privilege. If you want to
be a comedian, you went to Duke, that is an
unbelievable privilege. I know, have an honorary doctorate, a Humane
(35:02):
letters degree from Duke University. And if I can figure
out a way to use that, I will. I haven't
figured anything out yet. I think it's pretty much as
useful in real life as this outfit I'm wearing. But
so what I'll take it. My point is we're embarrassed
about things we should be proud of, and proud of
(35:22):
things we should be embarrassed about.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Very well said. And you know what, if you're talking
about Jerry Seinfeld, one of the most successful and I
think you could argue most influential comedians of our era,
certainly of his generation. Here he is on It's true
for everybody, you gotta be able to It's why we
try to laugh as much as we can on the show,
and then we talk about a lot of serious stuff,
(35:47):
but we really want to have fun too. And by
have fun, I mean understand that you just got to
be able to laugh at things. Play thirty.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
What I need to tell you as a comedian to
not lose your sense of humor. You can have no
idea at this point in your life how much you
are going to need it to get through. Not enough
of life makes sense for you to be able to
survive it without humor. I bet the world because of
you will be a much better place, but it will
still not make a whole hell of a lot of sense.
(36:17):
It'll be a better, different, but still pretty insane mess.
And it is worth the sacrifice of an occasional discomfort
to have some laughs. Don't lose that, even if it's
at the cost of occasional hard feelings. It's okay, you
gotta laugh. That is the one thing at the end
of your life you will not wish you did less
of humor is the most powerful, most survival essential quality
(36:41):
you will ever have or need to navigate through the
human experience.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Humor is certainly very important. It's important we all keep
it so. I would like to make jokes about ourselves
and all the craziness out there here on the show
play back tomorrow. We'll see you then.
Third hour, clay En Bucket's going now. We are joined
by Senator Marco Rubio of Florida. Senator Rubio, great, talk to.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
You again, Hey, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Let's start with this one, I mean, your colleague and
the Senate j. Ed Vance was outside of the courthouse
in New York this morning just giving his overview analysis
of what an outrage the whole thing is, how despicable
he finds the whole trial as you see this in
Michael Cohen, the star witness, and all the media focus
on it play out in New York. What are your
(00:33):
thoughts as somebody who serves this country and loves this country.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
My thoughts are that we have sanctioned other countries for
doing this in their politics, and anti democratic is basically
the targeting of the opposite the leading opposition candidate in
the next election, not with one trial, but with numerous
trials in the most one of the most liberal counties
in America, with a Biden supporting judge, a Biden supporting
(00:59):
process com who doesn't even go after violent criminals, but
has charged them on this, on this, on this ridiculous
bookkeeping charge that they've extended to a felony by finagling
federal law for reasons that I can't and explain how
crazy that is. It's just And then on top of that,
the president it's mired every single day by including witnesses
in this trial like Michael Cohen, and if he responds,
(01:22):
he gets fined and now threatened with jail. This trial,
of all the trials, I think are ridiculous, all of them,
but this one in particular is the most ridiculous. It
makes the country look like a third world banana republic,
like a kangaroo court democracy. It's an outrage. It's a
complete and total outage. If that trial was brought in
any other jurisdiction in America, just a normal, regular middle
road jurisdiction, there's no way to get a conviction if
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Donald Trump's last name is anything. No other person there
is not a single other person in the world who
this prosecutor would have charged with this with the same
set of facts, other than Donald Trump. So the whole
thing is I think an embarrassment to the country and
an outrage, and I think people see it for what
it is.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Senator, When it comes to that last point is I
think the critical one. The issue of the American people
seeing through this. Not all of them obviously are going
to see truth and reality. But how would you describe
your confidence at this point that this campaign sort of generally,
not just New York, but more broadly as well of
(02:23):
legal or of law fair. You could say the legal
assault on Donald Trump is politically backfiring. Are you seeing
that already? You think it's too soon to tell.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I think even Democrats are embarrassed by it, which is
why they barely talk about it. I mean, the commentators giggle,
and you know, CNN is like wall to wall coverage,
even though they can't cover it. They're in the courtroom
like I guess someone's texting out what's happening. But beyond that,
like the average every day hard working person, they see
it for what Even people that aren't going to vote
for Trump, even people that may not like Trump. No
one is under any illusion about what this is about.
(02:56):
And of all places, Manhattan, where you have a district
attorney that they if you kill a couple of people,
you might not even be charged. I mean you'll certainly
be out on They all waiting a trial, and then
you drop the charges to something lower. You've got a
city where they this DA has notoriously not gone after
violent criminals and given people the ace and the ninth
chance to go out and reoffend. But they bring this
(03:17):
charge and with this much resources and time. So I
think people know there's no way with a straight face
to argue that this trial is a legitimate trial or
is anything other than political. And I do think that
among it's certainly motivating a lot of Trump's supporters, but
I think it's also influencing a lot of other people
that are asking themselves if, in fact, this guy is
so terrible and he's so bad and Biden's so good,
(03:38):
then why are they afraid to run against them? Why
are they doing everything possible and to keep him from
being able to campaign and uh and stand for election.
In fact, if you read some of the press coverage,
they have flat out or saying why aren't all of
these trials happening beforehand? All these trials need to happen now,
They need to happen right away. They've got to figure
out a way to bring this to trial before the election.
(04:00):
They all want this to happen now because I believe
the only way they think they can beat them at
this point speaking.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
To Senator Marco Rubio of Florida and Senator I'm sure
you've seen that with all the stuff going on in
the world of prosecuting Donald Trump, the polls have him
across the board ahead in the swing states and mostly
considerably ahead and in some cases ahead in every swing state.
(04:27):
So the election if it were today, which we know
it's not so many months off, but it would look
very good for Donald Trump as it stands now. Would
you want to be a part of this if offered?
Have you discussed being a VP with former President Trump?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Never? I've never talked to anybody on the campaign about it.
I've read about it in these papers, but I've never
heard it. And the reason I'm not trying to be cloy,
the reason why I don't spend a lot of time
thinking about it or talking about it, is because, frankly,
there's only one person on the planet who knows who
that's going to be, and that's Donald Trump, not his advisor,
not the people with inside knowledge of the campaign. He's
the only one He'll make that decision and he's the
(05:05):
only one that knows, So hearing it from anybody other
than him is really not something that I would put
a lot of credence in now. Look, just to be mentioned,
I guess you know, is an honor in and of itself,
and I would say this to you. Look, these people,
I truly believe if Joe Biden gets another term, these
people will destroy the country. They are doing it already.
Just think about immigration, ten million people, How many are
(05:26):
in three years? How many are going to come in
over the next four three and at four and a
half if he gets re elected. Okay, just that alone.
Look at the damage he's done to us around the world.
What happened with Afghanistan since that moment, Ukraine's been invaded,
Israel's been attacked, not being a lot covered every day,
but China is constantly harassing the Philippines and Taiwan that
could break out at any moment. North Korea's firing missiles
(05:48):
again of greater and great and greater Lothalities. The world's
gone nuts. Here at home, we got pro Hamas if
I never, in mind wildest dreams that I ever believed
we would see pro hamas sympathizers of terrorist them taking
over college campuses and flying the Palestinian flag over our
campuses and disrupting graduation ceremonies and finals and classes.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Do you think on the campus protester center, do you
think that's a real legitimate challenge for the Democrats politically
or do you think it'll fade away.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Well, I think it's a challenge because it's not just
about the issue of the month. The issue now that
they're focused on is this issue of Hamas and Palestine
and their hatred of Israel. But this is the same movement,
by the way, the same group of people that are
constantly arguing that the US is an evil country of
colonizers that were imperialists, This is a nation founded on
(06:39):
white supremacy, that the world is divided between victims and victimizers,
and we are the victimizers, and so it's an anti Western,
anti US sentiment. That are the same people that tomorrow
the cause will be something else. But at its core
is they hate the country. They want America destroy. They
don't view this as a special country worth saving. They
view it as an inherently terrible one that needs to
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be torn down and rebuilt into something else, and that
includes not having bordered and things of that nature. So
that movement is an enormous liability because it has become
a core of the Democratic Party. Not every Democrat, a
lot of Democrats don't agree with them, but that's where
they get their activists, that's where they get their staff,
that's where they populated the State Department and all the
other agencies of government. From these are the people that
(07:21):
help them raise money. Who funds these groups We know
now it is people that have given millions and millions
of dollars to Democratic causes who are funding this movement
or the groups that are the seed money for this movement.
So it's a huge liability because it pulls Democrats further
and further away in their policies from the everyday American,
including some who are registered as Democrats, are independent, and
(07:41):
that's why you're seeing Trump doing well among working class Hispanics,
working class African Americans, working class people across the board.
The Democrats have moved so far to the radical left
because of this core base of their party that it
is more and more people can't coexist with them politically.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
It seems also that Biden, who's in my view, spent
his entire life just trying to find whatever the thing
is that he's supposed to say for the most popularity
among Democrats in the moment. I mean, I really think
that has been what his political career has been devoted to.
He seems to have been stumped a little bit here
on this issue of you know, Hamas and Israel and
(08:19):
the pro Palestinian and anti Semitic factions on campus and
all the rest of it, to the point where he
even started talking about him. You've worked a lot on
a foreign affair side of the Senate and foreign policy.
For a president to seemingly bend the knee on an
issue as important as arms provision to Israel when it's
(08:40):
in an ongoing military campaign, I mean this is because
he's really worried about losing Michigan. Is it that simple?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah? Well, and I think there's two things happening here.
You've got one element of the Democratic Party that supports Israel,
wants us to support ise and you've seen some of
these members of Congress sending letters and criticizing it. And
then the other element are the people in his campaign,
the people and staffing different levels of the State Department,
and it's political advisors that are saying, you know, we've
got to do something to appease this group. Because of
(09:08):
this group stayed home and doesn't vote for us. We're
going to lose the election. And so he's trying to
have it both ways. He wants to go around saying
I'm ironclad with Israel, but then he tries to appease
them by saying, but I'm going to cut off their
weapons as they go into Rafa, or I hate I'm
not pro Israel, but I don't like net Yok. So
they've tried a lot of different strategies to try to
have it both ways. Here this is not the kind
of issue you can have it both ways. You're either
(09:28):
with Israel or you're with the terrorists. You're either supporting
Israel's right to destroy this group that did these horrible things,
or you're not. You're in favor of that group surviving
and coming back and doing it again in the future.
And this is not something this is not a needle
he can thread. But he is trying to balance that
internally because he's I imagine, getting a tremendous amount of
pressure from elements of his own staff, I would imagine,
(09:51):
And so because they're core of the Democratic Party but
off the donor base and the political advisors who are
basically saying if we lose Michigan, we're finished. If we lose,
and then it's so we're finished, and and that these
voters stay home across the country, young people and so
forth were finished. So in an election that's supposed to
be close, I imagine they're very worried about this element of
their days that not coming out to vote, and they're
(10:14):
trying to them and they're doing damage to the country.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
As a We're speaking to center Mark or Rubio of
Florida and to that end of center Ruby, I know
you're a University of Miami guy from law school, right,
so you're you Miami Florida Gator.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Let's I mean, we got to get that right. That's
not what I went to undergrad.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I was gonna say next, I mean you and my
wife are both Florida Gators. And she corrected me. Recently,
she just said UF. I think I said you of F.
She said, no, it's just UF. So I'm learning the
Gator ways. But about all these schools and the protests
and that's going on, there have been some states where
this has been with you know, with very large universities,
very very popular university systems, where this has been very
(10:52):
absent uh, you know, there have been little bits of
it here and there, and it gets shut down very quickly.
How do you feel as a as a uf alum
and why has it been different? Is it really just
your colleague former colleague in the Senate sass as the
Chancellor has just said, we're not doing that nonsense here.
What's been the difference?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I think there's no doubt that's been key to it.
It's you know, if you allow groups to say it's
set up camp and put up tents and take over buildings,
word gets out and people are going to gravitate, They're
going to go there. They'll say this is the place
we need to go because they're allowing them to stay.
And then that encampment builds, and then these professional agitators
come in and guide them towards what's the next step.
They hand out guide This is how you get arrested,
(11:30):
This is how we resist, this is how we break
into buildings. These are you're right, this is what you
need to do. This is how to cover your face,
and no, we're going to take a picture of you
and then not hire you in the future when you
try to get a job. I do think that if
you've seen some of the commonality. Some of the biggest
issues here have been in New York and Los Angeles,
a little bit in Washington, DC. These are big cities
where a small group of students can become a magnet
(11:51):
to bring in these professional agitators and you know, part
of this whole anti American movement who are always looking
for a cause to latch onto, and they join and
suddenly you know, you've got these encampments going on, and
you've got straight up violence and chaos. These are not protests.
These are a riot. These are unlawful demonstrations, disruptive and harmful.
(12:12):
And even if every and I always laughing at me
and he says, wow, there's no evidence that they're outside agitators. Okay,
I mean there is, and and there's plenty of evidence
who's printing all this stuff, making all the signs, these
fancy tenstering and all that. But even if every person
in those encampments was a student in most of these universities,
you're talking about a very small percentage of the student body,
(12:32):
very very small percentage of the student body that's participating.
But they're joined by these outside agitators and they're willing
to be violent and disruptive and illegal and what they do,
and they've got and caused tremendous harm to these institutions.
For the life of me, I don't know why anybody
who want to go to one of these schools right.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Now, Senator Mark Ruvio, Florida Senator, as a fellow Floridian,
thank you so much for being here. Appreciate it all right,
go gators, Yes, sir, I'm gonna tell my wife should
be very excited about this. She's very Progators. We'll take
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Find it in their podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app
or wherever you get your podcasts. On this issue of Israel,
the politics of the twenty twenty four election and the
war against a mos and how it's all shaking out
right now, there are a few things that I believe
are worth mentioning. First of all, you have Bernie Sanders.
(14:54):
Bernie Sanders is a Jewish American, as you know, member
of the Senate, and he he is representative of a
lot of left wing Jews in America who are very
critical of Israel. This is what I keep bringing this
up whenever there's talk of oh, there'll be a huge
revolt in the Jewish vote against Joe Biden because of
(15:16):
what we have seen happen with his double cross of
Israel at a key moment. I don't think it's going
to be that substantial because on these protests. Believe it
or not, there are many Jewish students who are part
of the anti Israel protests. There are Jewish professors. The
(15:38):
most anti Israel professor I ever studied within college, and
I studied with a bunch. I could have done a
double major in Middle Eastern studies if I just wanted
to fill out the paperwork was Jewish. So, believe it
or not, this is a and I know you do
believe it, but this is a very especially in academia
you have they're Jews, they tend to be atheists, very
(16:00):
left wing. They're often in academia media, and they're very
critical of Israel. So it's not this uniform support that
many people believe who haven't lived in communities like New
York and Los Angeles and others where there's a large
Jewish population and some of them are really opposed to
(16:22):
Israel and hate net and Yahoo and all this stuff.
So here's Bernie Sanders who's saying Israel should not get
another nickel in US military aid. Play it.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
The reality is is I think any objective observing those
Israel has broken international law, it has broken American law,
and in my view, Israel should not be receiving another
nickel in US military aid. The Foreign Assistance Act is
very very clear sixty two to one the provision any entity,
(16:55):
any state, any country that blocks US humanitarian aid is
in violation of law and should not continue to receive
military aid from the United States. That is precisely it
Israel has done.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I notice also that he's saying Israel is violated international law.
This standard that Israel's held to in combat operations is
an impossible one, which is any civilian death whatsoever from
a military operation is a war crime. Is the way
that it is treated. Look, I was in Afghanistan. There
(17:30):
were times where we hit the wrong stuff and we
didn't mean to. And everyone knows about this. There are
reports on this, news reports on it. Remember when Obama
was calling in all those drone strikes or you know,
signing off on drone strikes. Drone strikes were killing civilians
on a regular base. No one cared, No one. I
mean I shouldn't say no one cared, but it wasn't.
We didn't have calls of oh he's a war criminal
(17:51):
coming from the left. They didn't care, that's for sure.
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He writes, I'm a Jew and Bernie's view of Israel
represents maybe five percent of Jew's feelings about Israel. I
don't know any Jew personally that has this hatred for
Israel like Bernie. All his views are extreme, you know,
your Norm. That's a very important part of this discussion.
I think, how big is this contingent that I'm talking about?
(20:08):
You know, you have sixty percent of American Jews tend
to vote Democrats, sixty to sixty five. Clearly sixty to
sixty five percent don't oppose Israel or so what is
really the number? And the best that I could find
for you is to give a sense of the number.
Now in academia, it's much higher, I'll tell you, because
(20:30):
they one of the ways to advance yourself on campus
is to cater to this anti white and therefore anti Israel,
anti Jewish, DEEI, anti colonial view of history. Right, so
on campus it's more prominent. But back in twenty twenty one,
(20:52):
Pew Research did a poll here and I think it
said something like twenty two percent. Are about about twenty
percent think that you know, Israel is either not important
to them, or we spend too much time on it.
So it's about one in five eighty percent of American
(21:13):
Jews say Israel is something that they're emotionally attached to,
it is important to them. But it's again, so it's
really like I think you said five percent here. You're
right that it's small, but it's about twenty percent. It's
twenty percent that are not into is support, that do
not support Israel. Basically, that's the number or view US
support of Israel as problematic, et cetera. Now I would
(21:35):
I would argue that that twenty percent is way overrepresented
in academia specifically and on TV. I mean, I used
to gosh, can't remember the guy's name. He has like
a very high voice, like he's always he was always
up here. I'm trying to Binert. I think his name
is Byinert. And he would call it television and he
(21:56):
would just say like, well that's a Yahu's policies or
what's really destroying it? And he had this very and
he was always this guy's Jewish. He's very anti Israel
all the time. I debated him once or twice on
terrorists and stuff at CNN, and I was like this
is interesting. The Irish Catholic from Manhattan is like Israel
our friend and ally, and you know they're on the
(22:17):
right side of this fight for civilization. And the Jewish guy,
I don't. I think he might be from New York
to Actually I don't, I don't remember. But the Jewish
guy Binert, I think's Peter Binert. He was very critical
of Israel, you know. So I'm just saying this is
what you'll get there. There are others too, I mean,
Glenn Greenwald is very critical of Israel. You know that
there are others. I would say Glenn is as consistent
(22:40):
with how he views these things. At least he doesn't change,
so you can give him points for consistency. But he's
very very critical of his Israel and Israeli policy and
the settlements and all that. So yeah, and we got
a bunch of guy are we good to try calls? Now, guys,
we're gonna give it a whirl with the telephone calls.
Hopefully the whole system doesn't crash. And I'm not talking
(23:01):
to myself in a dark room, but that wouldn't be
something I couldn't handle, because you know, live video things happen.
Rick in Virginia wants to weigh in on the Trump VP.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
What's up, Rick, Hey, buck, I just wanted to say
that Trump is not going to pick a sitting senator
to be his VAT because you can't risk what may
be a very thin Senate majority when he's trying to
get all his nominations through early. So it's either going
to be Pompeo or it'll be DeSantis and Trump will
register to vote in New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Interesting. Thank you for calling in, Rick. I think that
that depends on the state. I think there are some
states where he could have a senator where the governor
would just be able to repoint a point a replacement.
And that may even be a preferable situation, depending on
you know, the age of the senator, and you have
to look at the specific cases. It's certainly not going
(23:52):
to happen in a place like Wisconsin, like we don't
talk about to Rick's point, we don't talk about Ron
john Senator Ron Johjohnson, who we like a lot here
on the program about him as a VP, because you
have a Democrat governor in that state. Now, I know
some states it's I think they know they might hold
(24:13):
they have different rules for how they do this, I believe,
but you couldn't risk it there for sure. You couldn't
have a person who was a an interim senator effectively
appointed by a Democrat governor, So that would be an issue.
Another thing Senator Ran Paul in Kentucky. Same thing it is.
I was just in Kentucky. I had a great time there.
I loved the Kentucky Derby, loved hanging out with Well Clay,
(24:37):
my wife and our friends and our boss and everybody.
How Kentucky has a Democrat governor is just still I'm
just I just can't let that go. What this Kentucky?
You have a Democrat governor Kentucky? What are you doing?
Speaker 6 (24:54):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (24:54):
People?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I like Baser Okay, well you know, I hope you
liked all the double masking he made everyone do. It's
crazy to me. Uh, Larry in North Dakota. Ah, here
we go. We got a Burgham caller. What's up, Larry
in North Dakota?
Speaker 5 (25:07):
How are you buck?
Speaker 3 (25:08):
It's life is good out here, the sun is shining nice.
I just want to point I want to point out
that I realized its fascination. I think he referred to
him as Dougie b out here referred to him many
of us as King Burgham, And honestly, it has to
do obviously, he's got a lot of money. I mean,
(25:30):
and he used to have a company called Great Plaine Software.
I think the bulk of his money came out of
the cell of that to Microsoft Bill Gates. So there's
a really tight connection there, and it's kind of put
a sour taste in a lot of conservative mouth out
here in North Dakota with that, with that Bill Gates connection,
(25:52):
But I think that things that a couple of things
that are important to point out. With some money that
he has, he has done a lot of influencing with
as far as our Legislative Assembly in our state and
with that the policies that go with it. I happen
to be running as for a state super House seat
and I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Seeing the donations that have come through through that.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
So there's he's uh, he's played.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Is he a conservative? I mean, let's let's get down
to brass tax here, Larry. Is he a conservative?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I'm gonna say that he is a moderate.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I think he's a moderate, okay.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
And the reason I say that, I look at the
way he handled policies regarding COVID. You've mentioned masking here
shortly a short time ago. His mask requirements were he
wasn't asking a double mask, but the rules are that.
When it turned from a recommendation of requirements, it was
this nonsense. You sit down, you can take it off.
(26:53):
If you stand up, you got to put it on.
You've got to be six feet apart all that nonsense.
And the other thing that really upset a lot of
own businesses out here, Buck is the fact that they
came up with a list of essential businesses and frankly,
a lot of these didn't make much sense. I mean
a lot of people were home unemployed because of this,
(27:16):
and it left some hardships to get.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, it was horrid. I mean COVID was COVID was
a trial run of real tyranny in this country. And
a lot of politicians, I'd say almost all politicians were cowards,
and the ones who were in office, and that includes
most Republicans too. There were some who stood firm, but
very few. Interesting. Thank you so much Larry for that
background on Burghram. You know, now here's what people can say.
(27:44):
They can tell me, well, Burgham, you know he's not
going to be president, so he'll have not that big
of a of a role in the legislative agenda that
Trump would want to pursue, assuming he has a majority
in the House in the Senate. But I also would say, look,
the vice president is really there. We have to remind
ourselves of this. The vice president does not exist to
(28:05):
help the president win election. Really, the vice president is
there in case of So you have to be able
to answer the question this way. Do you feel good
as a conservative if God forbid, during a Trump presidency,
Doug Bergham had to take over, do you feel good
about that? If the answer is no, well then we
(28:26):
got a problem. Right, This is what I was talking
about before. If the answer is I think it'd be
pretty good, I'm all right, well, then that's but we
definitely don't want a oh my gosh, the Democrats have
basically gotten a stealth presidency out of this, Like that's
what we're trying to avoid, or you know, we don't
want some sociopath as VP who the media is just
(28:47):
constantly you know, it turns into it and it turns
into a president I mean, and then the media is
just able to completely out maneuver and outplay them in politics. Right,
So there is some important points here to take look at,
and we'll take more of your costs because only this hour,
I think we've been able to get through a little
bit more on this. And I guess I don't know
(29:07):
if I I don't know, if I have time to
get into the the Jerry Seinfeld stuff, maybe we'll get
in a little bit of the Jerry Seinfeld speech here
he gave a graduation speech. Yeah, yeah, we'll talk a
little Jerry Seinfeld stuff. You know, I gotta say, I
think Seinfeld does a nice job. You know, which is
not surprising is the guy made hundreds of millions of
dollars as a comedian, so he's clearly he's clearly got
(29:28):
some ability. But I think he did a nice job
at the speech too, even though there are a bunch
of pro Hamas maniacs who did a little walk out
and the media focuses on that. Of course, we'll get
into that here coming up the Jerry Seinfeld speech. The
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so looking forward to having it back in the mix.
He's on vacation, having great time in the mountains. I think,
(31:33):
is it the Smoky Mountains, mountains of Tennessee. I get
my mountain ranges in that part of the world. Sometimes
a little confused, just to be honest with you, But yes,
he's having a great time and we will get some
more of your vip emails tomorrow. More of the Trump
trial stuff, although I don't think this Michael Cohen testimony
is doing anything other than giving journalists who hate Trump
an opportunity to revisit the Stormy Daniel's allegations, which there's
(31:57):
really nothing new in any of this, and it's all
just it's an absurdity and it's it's a disgrace the
whole thing. I am perhaps a graduation grinch because I
don't think that graduations are usually much fun. My graduations,
all of them were very boring and forgettable, and I
wish that I had had the option, certainly for college.
(32:19):
High school, I will admit, is different high school graduation.
You've been in school for four years, you know, the people,
you know, you know, they're more more formative role in
your life. So I'm really it's really more college graduations
that I find are just and you gotta like show
up to an eighty thousand person stadium and there's all
these big speakers and you gotta wait in line forever
and all, you know, depending on where you go, the
(32:40):
whole thing can be kind of a mess.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Hot.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You know, those gowns they're made out of, I don't
know what the fabric is but it's uh, is it tensil?
You know, it's some kind of like a like poly
blend anyway, not doesn't breathe. Well, this is the thing.
It's not very comfortable where those those things they put
on there. I remember my year was a big thing.
If you were going to have your diploma on on
(33:05):
like a parchment paper or like sheep's bladder papers, a
big series. This was the thing, like you could get it.
You could get it on like some kind of innards
of a sheep, or you could get it on paper.
And they were people were all upset about the fact
that there was even a sheep's bladder option or something.
I don't think it was the bladder skin. Maybe it
was the skin of the sheep, as that makes sense.
(33:27):
It was some part of a sheep that you could
get the you could get the degree on. And of
course I went for the you know, the sheep option back.
So it was fine. I mean, look at Mutton, you
use it all, you get the wool. It's I don't know,
I didn't think it was that big of a deal.
But back to commencements, graduations, whatever you want to call them.
(33:47):
We certainly didn't have world famous comedian Jerry Seinfeld. Mine,
that would have been helpful. He spoke at Duke and
you know, I don't want to focus on the fact
that there was a walk out steinfilm. We're gonna walk
in on Seinfeld because remember what I've said, all along
the campus left and the Democrat communists think that Israel
is white and you know, that Jewish and white, and
(34:10):
that Jerry, that everyone Israel is effectively like Jerry Seinfeld,
and that he is very you know, Caucasian in appearance
and very privileged and all this stuff. It's not true.
It's actually not the reality of Israel at all. But
that's they don't care because they're how could they care,
They don't know, They're ignorant, they're not smart. But Seinfeld
spoke about privilege specifically, and I thought this was I
(34:31):
thought Jerry did a nice job at the speech, which
is unsurprising, and so you should hear some of his
graduation wisdom. This is cut twenty nine.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Privilege is a word that has taken quite a beating lately.
Privilege today seems to be the worst thing you can have.
I would like to take a moment to defend it.
Use your privilege. I grew up a Jewish boy from
New York. That is a privilege. If you want to
be a comedian, you went to Duke, that is an
unbelievable privilege. I know, have an honorary doctorate, a Humane
(35:02):
letters degree from Duke University. And if I can figure
out a way to use that, I will. I haven't
figured anything out yet. I think it's pretty much as
useful in real life as this outfit I'm wearing. But
so what I'll take it. My point is we're embarrassed
about things we should be proud of, and proud of
(35:22):
things we should be embarrassed about.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Very well said. And you know what, if you're talking
about Jerry Seinfeld, one of the most successful and I
think you could argue most influential comedians of our era,
certainly of his generation. Here he is on It's true
for everybody, you gotta be able to It's why we
try to laugh as much as we can on the show,
and then we talk about a lot of serious stuff,
(35:47):
but we really want to have fun too. And by
have fun, I mean understand that you just got to
be able to laugh at things. Play thirty.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
What I need to tell you as a comedian to
not lose your sense of humor. You can have no
idea at this point in your life how much you
are going to need it to get through. Not enough
of life makes sense for you to be able to
survive it without humor. I bet the world because of
you will be a much better place, but it will
still not make a whole hell of a lot of sense.
(36:17):
It'll be a better, different, but still pretty insane mess.
And it is worth the sacrifice of an occasional discomfort
to have some laughs. Don't lose that, even if it's
at the cost of occasional hard feelings. It's okay, you
gotta laugh. That is the one thing at the end
of your life you will not wish you did less
of humor is the most powerful, most survival essential quality
(36:41):
you will ever have or need to navigate through the
human experience.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Humor is certainly very important. It's important we all keep
it so. I would like to make jokes about ourselves
and all the craziness out there here on the show
play back tomorrow. We'll see you then.
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