March 28, 2023 • 36 mins
Tudor Dixon, host of The Tudor Dixon Podcast on the C&B Podcast Network, talks to Clay and Buck about the Nashville shooting and the politicization of the debates on guns and mental health. Trump talks about DeSantis in interview on Hannity. Jason Chaffetz says Trump's Hannity interview was "horrific." Trump's loyalty argument against DeSantis. Clay thanks Kevin Roberts, CEO of The Heritage Foundation, for use of their Washington studio. Callers and Roberts react to Trump's Hannity interview.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Our three of Clay and Buck starts now. Everybody,
thank you for being here with us. We have Tutor
Dixon joining in the conversation. She's the host of the
Tutor Dixon podcast on the Clay and Buck Network. And
Tutor appreciate you calling in. Yes, thank you for having me.
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I want to get your reaction, Tutor. You're you're a
mom of a few few young kids, and you know four,
and yesterday the news all came in and it's it's
a just heartbreaking, it's a gut punch to the whole country.
Twenty four hours after the incident. Wanted to give you
opportunity to just address the people of America and more
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specifically people of the Nashville area. Well, it's it hits
very close to home for me because of my four girls,
two of them are nine. I have twins their nine
year olds and you wake up and see this and
it is devastating. Well, last night, I'm putting them to
bed and it's hard to not burst into tears when
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you see them sleeping in their beds because you think
about the parents who are going through this incredible tragedy
and I'm just so mad about it. And I hear
all of the sides debating the politics of it, and
all I can think is, you can debate this all
you want, but you never come up with a solution
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to keep our kids safe, and no realistic solution. I
never hear someone offer a realistic solution to keep our
kids safe. And it's not rocket science, but this school,
I mean, they had done the stuff that they thought
they needed to do, they had the one single entry point,
they had the door locked. This person blew through the door.
I mean, it is, you know, maniac that had this
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desire to go hurt kids, which I can't I cannot understand.
And we can come up with the political reasons all
we want and say this person falls into this category
or that category, but at the end of the day,
anybody who goes in and does this falls into the
category of some lunatic that we weren't protected against. And
I'm mad. I think I think every parents mad. And
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I know you've got four, I've got three. I don't
know where your girls go to school specifically, And you're right.
For people who have not watched the video, this killer
comes and shoots her way through locked doors to enter
into the school. So she shatters the glass, and that
is how she makes her entryway. I've been saying in
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one solution that I see that that isn't remotely partisan. Tutor,
when you consider all of the money that we spend
on things that don't protect our kids at all, I
don't understand why every school doesn't have an armed security guard.
I mean the schools you've been to my house, to
schools that my kids go to, public schools outside of Nashville,
they have armed security guards. And I'm not saying that
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that's going to stop this from ever happening, but I
do think if every person knew every school in America
has an armed security guard there, maybe it gives them
pause about the idea that they're going to be able
to just go in and take the lives of innocent
people with nobody to defend them exactly. I mean, I
think about the fact that I was in college when
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we heard about Columbine, and that was a heck of
a long time ago, and we're still going, gee, what's
the answer, and how could we possibly do this? And
we got to take guns away from everybody, which is
when people tell you that that might feel good, it's
a lie. It's not a solution that's actually going to
stop somebody from doing this. How do we protect kids?
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And I've seen technology that would blow your mind that
you can have a school that they'll say, oh, this
is going to be a school that looks like a fortress. No,
this technology sets it up to the first bullet flies
and everything locks down, and we are not taking this seriously.
We will put millions of dollars into schools for reading
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that never actually impacts reading. We will put hundreds of
thousands of dollars into conventions for teachers to go learn
about d EI and CRT. But we are not taking
care of our kids, making sure that we have security
guards there, making sure that the doors locked down, making
sure that there are measures in place to trap this
person so that they can't get to a classroom. This
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is not extreme. This is what we should be sitting
down and say whatever it takes to make sure no
parent grieves the loss of their child who went to school.
I dropped my kids off this morning and I looked
in their eyes and I said, what happens if someone
walks into school today? Well, you do, don't look for them,
don't get distracted, kind a place to hide. And I
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feel like, how can I be saying this to my kids?
How can I be so concerned that I am dropping
them off at a place where it's a gun free zone,
So the only person that's going to have a weapon
is the persons after them. No way. Speaking of Tuter Dixon,
she's the host of the Tutor Dixon podcast on the
Clay And Network. And you know, Tutor, I know that
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in your first podcast interview it was with a firearms
expert who was talking about responsible firearms ownership and shooting
skills for women, particularly to protect themselves and their families.
I wanted to know if there's anything that came from that.
I mean, I'm sure that there's a lot of people
right now who are thinking, Yeah, obviously you can't be
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ever at all times, and that's why we're talking about
hardening the schools. But just an understanding of self defense
and an understanding of what the possibilities are seems like
a worthwhile part of the conversation of trying to make
all of us a bit safer. Yeah, we had Rick
Ector on and it was really informative because this is
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somebody who went from really only having a hunting rifle
to saying, I'm gonna teach women in Detroit to protect
themselves because of a story he saw on the news
of a woman who died, and he said, she didn't
have to die. But we went through the whole MSU shooting,
and that was somewhat of a unique school shooting because
this is somebody who wandered on campus, who had the
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prosecutor really prosecuted a crime early on, potentially this person
would never have been able to buy a gun. And
this is another situation where the gun was purchased legally.
All signs look like in this situation Nashville, this gun
was purchased legally. We can say we can come up
with these false solutions and say we're going to have
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some gun control methods that is going to catch the
bad guys, but it doesn't no matter what state we
look in. And that was what Rick was so clear about.
He said, look, you have these prosecutors that are soft
on crime, they're not doing this. Why not allow people
to protect themselves? And we've had folks say, well, if
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you're a teacher, why shouldn't you be allowed to carry
a gun if you want to. And I said to
my girls today, what happens if someone comes in your classroom?
And they said, well, the teacher has a bat and
she can stand next to the door. And my heart
sinks because I'm like, we're using a bat against a gun.
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I mean, what are we going to say that our
kids are worthy of protection and that these stories of
gun control our fairy tales and this and Rick lays
it out pretty clearly as to what happened at MSU
and why we should be frustrated with these soft on
crime prosecutors that are letting these people go, letting these
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people back on the streets, letting these people legally buy
firearms who under the system the way it is now,
they wouldn't have been able to. But that's the thing.
People say, Oh, we need strict or laws, and we
actually have laws that we need to abide by. But
in this case, we've got a mental health issue. And
that's another whole issue that I don't think we have
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an understanding of how to get a handle on this,
because mental health it's not like a broken arm. It's
not like you know how to set it and get
it back together. Mental health is different for everybody, and
we're really challenged with this mental health issue and we're,
you know, in a way, we're glorifying mental health issues
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right now, and how is that helping our kids? It's
confusing our kids even more. And now we've got people
going in and shooting up a school that clearly was
under mental health care and needed help. But there's no
monitoring system for folks like this. And what is the
answer to that. You know, I'm not pretending that I
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have that answer, but I think that we need These
are the things we need to be mourning over and
grieving over and saying we have. This has to be
top of mind. It has to be our top priority.
I don't disagree at all. You've got four, Like I said,
I've got three. This twenty eight year old bought seven
guns from five different dealers. She was under treatment. Her
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parents say they had no idea she had bought seven guns.
She was living at home. I come back again and again,
and I'm not just saying this because you're on tutor.
You've got four kids. We've got every parent, grandparent known
to man out there. If your kids have emotional issues,
you need to be not only worried about their safety
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with their emotional issues. You need to be worried about
other people's emotional safety and physical safety as well. There
needs to be far more I think parenting going on here.
I just I can't get past it. Buck, we were
talking about it last hour. She lived in the home
with her parents and they claim that she somehow hid
seven guns in the house and they had no idea.
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That to me is parental failure. I'm sorry, it just is.
It's such an awkward situation because you've got a clearly
an adult, but this person is living with their parents
because they're not capable of being an adult. Right, So
at that point, when is the parents palpable? And in
Michigan and you see that the Oxford shooting, the parents
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are being held accountable for the child. And I think, honestly,
this is what I think the future is. You have
to be held accountable for your child's actions. Now it
is there is a gray area when the child is seventeen, sixteen, fifteen,
then you our mom and dad. When the child is
twenty seven and they're living with you, then are you responsible?
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You know, if you're a roommate, are you responsible? But
you have a child that is living with you because
they have mental health issues. How do you not know this?
I can't imagine not knowing this. It's like you said,
this wasn't and it's not like these are tiny pistols.
We're talking about seven pretty good sized weapons you've got
in your household, and it's shocking and I just can't.
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I can't let this get clouded by the politics of
all of it, because at the end of the day,
I cannot get past the fact that six people have
lost their lives. And once again it's going to be
out of the news cycle in a couple of days,
and maybe this one will be faster, and again there
will be no action on what we do to make
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sure our most valuable, precious good is taking care of.
I mean, these are our kids. Listen to the Tutor
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the clay in Buck podcast network. Tutor, really appreciate your
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Tuesday edition of the program. Will continue to monitor to
see whether or not we get any more details about
the manifesto. You just heard from Tutor Dick sent her
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More people to come. I think you will enjoy those conversations.
Those discussions were broadening the horizons of the show. Encourage
all of you to get out there, and it's out there.
I did for this week play some deep dives with
Jack Possobic, which a lot of you I'm sure we'll
find very interesting, both on Ukraine and about Trump twenty
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twenty four. Jack is firmly on the it is Trump,
it is his race and he's the only one, so um,
you should listen to it. Also Douglas Murray, you know
Douglas Murray War on the West. Yeah, you're right, Yeah,
super smart guy. We talked about a whole range of things,
including his visit to SEC Schools Clay, which was very interesting,
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meaning his conversations about Western civilization and history. Douglas not
as much time on you know, Alabama's backup quarterback situations. Yeah,
not as much on that, but we discussed that as Anyway,
some great conversations this week, oh Anna, Paulina Luna as
well from from Congress up in the Tampa area of Florida.
So go check it out, everybody for sure. So Trump
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has not been on Fox News very much. He's been
on this radio show way more than he's been on
Fox News. But last night, our friend Sean Hannity, who
many of you will hear in about thirty some odd minutes,
did a sit down with Trump from Mara Lago as
a part of his Sean Hannity Show. I watched the
entire hour long interview because I was curious to see
what Trump had to say, given that we haven't had
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that many long form conversations with him in recent vintage.
And in particular, Hannity asked him about Rhonda Santis and
his relationship. And here's what Trump said, Rhonda Santis would
be doing if Trump had not endorsed him for governor.
The question I'm asked the most about about you of
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lady is Rhonda Santis? What happened? I thought they were friends?
What happened? Not friends? I didn't know him well, he said,
I'm telling you, I think I could win if I
could get your indorsement. And he was, you'll have to
check the records. But many many, many points it was over.
So I said, let's give it a shot. Run okay,
And he was desperate. I said, okay. I gave him
(15:12):
a nice inducement. I said, you write out what you'd
like and let me see it. He wrote it out.
I thought it was terrible. I changed it, made it great.
I gave him a great indorsement. I got him the nomination.
By the way, couldn't have never gotten the nomination. He
would be working in either a pizza parlor place or
a law office right now, okay, and he wouldn't be
very hasty. First of all, it's a very funny line.
(15:32):
Why place or a law office as many as many
often make the choice to do. I know personally, if
I wasn't doing this radio show, I'd have two options,
pizza parlor or be a lawyer. M But but yeah,
look it is there is no love loss between these two.
It's a funny line. It gets more attention than it
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would if he just said, hey works in a law office.
I did you watch this whole thing? Buck? I watch.
I watched it all last night. You know, Sean sat
down with him and and UM, yeah, we Carrie and
I were here watching it last night. I am really curious. Um,
I don't even want to want to weigh in on this,
(16:14):
um before I let pete before we open the lines
to folks, if you are all in Trump already, now,
how did you think Trump did last night? So I
don't I don't want to. If you're a just if
you're a dissantist partisan in this one, I probably know
how you think Trump did last night, right, But I'm wondering,
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how do people that think that Trump is is the guy,
the only guy? What did they think of the interview? Um?
Because when we come back, uh, Jason Chaffitz over on Fox,
some of you may have seen this clip. I don't
want to he gave a very um uh forceful I
have seen this clip. I haven't seen us. Did he
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think it was awesome, sauce and amazing or did he
think that it was the opposite of that. I'm just wondering.
We'll come back and play this. I want to leave
people on the edge a little bit on this one
because I'm really curious to know what The response from
some of this audience was about this before before we
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even weigh in, just in terms of how Trump did
in the interview and his answers and what he said.
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So we said we'd we'd hear from our rand over
at Fox Jason Chafits, Well, we'd play the clip where
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he talked about the Trump interview. Last night. I watched
the whole thing. Sean did the first really meaningful sit
down with him. And I think about six months that
no one's really talked to Trump. But this length work
for quite some time. Certainly worth going and uh and
folks tuning into it on Fox if you if you
missed it last night. But by the way, did we
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get some I want to do we get a bunch
of calls in on this. I'm so because I want
of them lined up, one of them lined up before. Okay,
I mean sin Clay, this is the problem. Okay, this
is it. This is a challenge that I have here.
We we take we helply have so many lines whatever
it is we've we've got, you know, a half dozen
or so phone lines. We can take it one time here,
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right and if all the lines light up with one
with one opinion, there's not people will say, well, why
can't you take them or varied? You know, we'll get
we'll get a little bit. People say, well, you're just
picking and choosing. We're literally going with the calls that
we have that I have to get past the screener
for topic, every for being topical and clarity of the
actual connection. But we're just taking what we're getting. When
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we put this out. I just want to say that
before we get to some of these calls. I mean,
here was the Jason Chafits response to the Trump sit
down with Hannity. In terms of how Trump did play it,
I thought Sean Hannity did a good job. But I
watched that and I thought, where is Donald Trump? I
voted for Donald Trump twice, I have defended him countless times.
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I thought he was horrific. I think that was the
worst interview I've seen the president too. He was whining,
he was complaining, he played the victim card time and
time again, and then after that he complained that you know,
somebody had endorsed was now running against him. And I
thought he was absolutely horrific. He's the former president of
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the United States. Act like it. He didn't in that interview.
I'm saying, that's the that's the most uh elbows in
the pain I've ever heard Jason throw anywhere on anything, really,
maybe going back to when he was in the Benghazi
hearings in Congress. He's that a talented guy. I watched
the interview and I left thinking, oh, I like Donald
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Trump and Sean Hannity more than I did before I
sat down and watched the interview we like super funny
and engaging and was very funny, thought, and I thought
Sean was well prepared and the questions were good. And
maybe it's just that you and I watched so much
and listen to so much Trump. None of the answers
really surprised me. But I thought he did a pretty
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good job of answering them in an, you know, engaging way,
and I thought he didn't dodge anything of course that
Hannity was asking. I will just say this though, I
mean trying to interview Trump, having done it numerous times,
Clay's done it numerous times, it is it is rogue
elephant time. I mean, you are Trump is going where
he's going. I just you know, people will say, why
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don't you jump in more? You try to jump in
on Trump more when he's in the middle of an answer,
and look, he's the former president, he's the candidate. You know,
people are gonna want to hear what he has to
say more than anything else, obviously, But even if you
try to shape the conversation a little bit more or
follow up, Trump has just this way. He's a He's
like a verbal steam roller. You know, you can't you think,
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by the way, about the loyalty argument, because on the
one hand, I do think I can see, Okay, Rod
de Santis, I do believe is the governor of Florida
the first time because of Trump. That is, I buy
into Trump one hundred percent. DeSantis would not have been
elected governor of Florida in twenty eighteen without Trump. But
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DeSantis then served four years as governor of Florida did
not get the Trump endorsement at all in twenty two
and one by nineteen points. So I can both simultaneously
see the Trump argument of hey, I helped Ron get
his opportunity. But then when you prove that you're really
good at that job, and that you're so good at
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that job that you deserve another one. Let me give
you a sports analogy. Buck. If you went out and
you said, hey, I know sports, you should go draft
this guy. He's going to be a really good baseball pitcher, right,
and then you go draft him and he plays for
four years in the minor leagues and he got his
start with that team because you said draft him, and
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then he ends up the day one starter of the
major league baseball team and bumps you down to two.
I don't think any athlete would come out and say
I thought it was really disrespectful that he took the
starting nod over me, given he got his opportunity because
of me. I mean, I'll just say my version of
or my feeling about that argument is there are people
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in conservative media who only do the jobs they do
in some cases because I reached out to them, made
connections for them, and some of them have become very successful.
I would say that three out of four of the
people that I can think of were in that role.
You know, they're like polite to me, but there's never
there's no sense of like, oh thank you, and there's
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no sense of loyalty. They've just gone on and done
their own thing. But I always say I do it
for the movement, and I do it because I like
to help people. I don't do it because I want
anything in response. Now, that's just trying to help people
in our business play. Isn't what's most important, what's best
for the country. Who is best for the role right now?
That to me, I think is the overriding consideration and
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should be for Trump and for descantists. Now, Trump obviously
thinks he is and he is ahead in the polls,
and he's the former president, and I get it, but
I don't think it's fair to think that somebody should
be excluded from their call to service. You know, desantists
may have preyed on this a lot, and he may
feel called to it, and that's something we're gonna be here.
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He hasn't even announced yet, right, so we're also having
this crazy discussion about it. Let me also make this
analogy back, because I think it's maybe even better than
the one I just did. If you hire somebody as
an assistant coach in any sport and they are so
good that they get ahead job, and then they end
up coaching against you in the super Bowl, you would
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never say I can't believe he's trying to beat me
in the super Bowl. The only reason he even has
a job is because I found him when nobody else
would give him a chance, and now he's in the
super Bowl because of me. How dare he try to
beat me? Like that would be a ludicrous argument for
a former head coach who hired his assistant to make
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and that, to me is kind of what Trump is
doing here. Like I said, we're going to close it
out here by we got a bunch of people on
the line. If the line is busy, just know that
we're going to rack and stack some calls here. So
once you hear one and we finished that call, you
can then jump in because I want to get a
diversity of perspect that word, a diversity of perspective out
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d ie. You know all this one um and and
right now I think they're all leading it in one direction.
But it's just what do we think of the the
interview last night, the Trump response. There were some funny
moments with Trump. There's a reason why this guy was
able to do what he what he did in twenty sixteen.
But I want to hear from the folks out there,
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and I want to try to always we're trying to
play this as fair and square? Is it Farren? Square?
Square and fair? Thank you, Fret Fahren, Square as we
can right as we can. And that means opening up
to all of you. Um. I mean, look, I mean
I just had Jack Posolvik. We sat down for an hour.
Go listen to Clay and Buck podcast. Oh and we
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have the is it the the president of the Heritage Foundation,
but he's popping by, Yes, So we're gonna be joined
just a moment by Kevin Roberts. I'm up here in
uh In, DC broadcasting literally from the Heritage Foundation offices.
So he's going to step in and say hi in
this next segment, all right, So we'll come back to
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broadcasting from the Heritage Foundation in DC to sit in
with us on this final segment of the show. Kevin
Roberts he is still recovering from his beloved Texas Longhorns. Buck,
you don't know anything about this. Losing down the stretch
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against Miami to cost themselves a final Longhorns almost defeat
the Crimson Tide in person at right, the right team.
Thank you. We were in Austin for the game between
Texas and Alabama back in September of last year. Forget
my beloved Longhorns, he forgets that. I'm I was supposed
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to be at that game in the same box with
the two of you and are shared friends. Yes, but
I got a call to be in Bedminster with a
former president. Yeah, and I told him, you know, sir,
no disrespect, but the Longhorns. I got to follow this game.
So we are talking about You're in an interesting spot,
like a lot of people are as the primary season
hit catches up on in earnest, and we wanted to
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give people an opportunity to react. I'm sure you saw
the Sean Hannity interview last night with President Trump where
he discussed that he thought that DeSantis was being disloyal. Uh,
and let's go in here Diane in Melbourne floor, by
the way, thank you for allowing me to do the
show from here. You guys do tremendous work at the
Heritage Foundation. Diane and Melbourne, Florida. What did you think
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of the interview? How would you assess what you saw
last night from Trump? Well, I thought Trump was good.
I'm a big Trump supporter, I'm a big Defantis supporter,
and I you know, Trump did a good job. But
I'll tell you I'm a little stirred on DeSantis after
his very lukewarm or actually non supportive Trump against a
(30:31):
malicious prosecution of Brad. I was a little surprised when
Trump didn't support or when Desantist didn't support Trump after
the Mara Lago, right, that sort of shocked me. But
then after he didn't support him with the brag thing,
you know, it just gives me pause. You want your
governor or have your back. I mean, I'm a conservative,
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Defansis is supposedly a conservative, So you know, I think
if Brad came after me, would I get any support?
You know, I just think it was a big unforced
er on de Stantus as part. And after he did Dad,
I started to do some research on DeSantis and you know,
I'm reading reports that he's supported by Paul Ryan and
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Jeb Bush. So you know, I don't know. I'm I'm
getting a little fired on him now, thank you for it,
called Diane Roy and Florida also buck once the way
in what did you think Roy? Good afternoon, guys. Yes
to Santus is my governor. But like Javis said, he
was whining every bit of it. But let me ask
(31:36):
you a question. Maybe you can get into this tomorrow.
I'm sorry was whining or you thought you thought Trump
was whining like chaffa, Trump was whin. Yeah, Trump was whining.
You know. It's like, listen to me because he hasn't spoken.
You haven't heard anything at length from him in months
until until handing the interviewed. But let me ask you
(31:57):
this question. You remember they said they we're gonna have
a red wave come last election. I was one of
those people. I was one of those people saying it Roy,
I thought we were going to get it. I was wrong.
I did too. But now Trump is limited to one
term if he does get reelected, which leads to term limits.
But that's another story. What if, and I'm saying this
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with kindness, what if these two knuckleheads got together in
a room and said, hey, let me run for president.
Let me take you for the vice presidency. Groom you,
I do one term, then you run for president and
maybe get two terms out of it, and the Republicans
stick it right back to the Democrats. Look, it's a thought,
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it's definitely a look, it's the thought that a lot
of people have been sharing that they would team up.
I just I mean, look, if it happened, it would
be remarkable, and I think it would be unstoppable politically.
I don't think that anybody has the expectation that that
is going to happen, But that doesn't mean that it can't,
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and it's certainly be interesting. What is best for the
country is our guiding star here to the degree that
it can be, and I think that anything that's pushing
in that direction is to the good. Matt in Columbus,
Ohio on the Trump pizzeria reference, what's going on, Matt,
how you guys doing? I love the show? Thank you,
(33:21):
You're a great taste. In radio comments, I believe that
Trump made the pizza parlor commat to de stant this
because multiple times he's referred to him as a groomer,
and I think he's referencing pizza Gate. No, I don't
think that I don't think that's yeah, a little bit
(33:41):
of an Italian shot by saying he'd be working in
a pizza parlor. That's the meat ball ron reference. I'm
curious we've got Kevin Roberts from the Heritage Foundation in
here with us. How much more difficult is primary season
for you guys as opposed to general election season. Well,
first of all, we have a deep bench, so it's glorious.
We're talking about multiple candidate, right, But it's difficult because
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we're friends with all of these guys and gals. Yeah,
because whoever the next president is, whoever he or she is,
the voters will have their say. We want heritage and
conservative policies to reign supreme because we're gonna need two,
if not three, consecutive terms of conservative governance to take
back the country. Buck. We hear, I bet, most commonly
among our audience a desire not for Trump to win
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or de Santists to win, but for them to be
on the same ticket, don't you. I mean, if we
were really just analyzing the amount of what's what I
hear from people most often is they want them on
the same ticket. They're they're too great, they're too great.
Warriors for the cause. And you know, it's it's impossible
to talk about Trump, I think without recognizing first of all,
(34:44):
the unbelievable victory. I mean, Trump saved us and I've
never forgotten this. Trump saved us from eight years of
Hillary Clinton. Okay, so just correct worth pointing that out.
And then I think governed very well on a whole
variety of fronts. We can't get it all of it now,
we don't have all the time. But Trump was I thought,
a very strong president. And you know, now you just
have the is it the you know, this is the
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classic It feels almost like Shakespearean drama here, or one
of the classic operas like the you know, the the
up and coming prince versus the the aging king. You know,
who's the best to rule the kingdom? Well, ultimately you
want what's best for the kingdom, and you hope that
they work it out and they figure it out. Yeah,
So that's that's where I would take this play. That's
that's how I see it. We got Brett in Wisconsin
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and we're just taking these calls in order. There is
no favoritism. Brett, what do you got for us? Hey, guys,
thanks for the call. Hey, I just wanted to point
out that I'm kind of sick of the fact that
Trump still doesn't understand politics. After all these years. You
would think you would know that there really is no
loyalty or there is, there is very few loyalties. And
he's kind of nice in fifteen sixteen seventeen when he
(35:50):
was kind of this guy, you know who he wasn't
a politician, you know, but there comes to a point
where you got to kind of play along, you know,
not so much play along, but you got to understand
the game that you're in, you know, and you know
this whining about these people, you know, I mean he
did it to tet cruise, you know, he couldn't believe
Tet crews there or Scarborough, you know, people would shake
his hand and then go on TV and he couldn't
understand all of these people are savage and him on
(36:11):
TV effort shaking his hand, you know, and I just
it's like, get with it, man. It always reminds me back,
thank you for the call of when people say I'm
so sick of them playing politics, and you're like, that's
literally the game they're in. You know, nobody's like I'm
so sick of them playing football. Yeah, that they're playing
in football. You know, like politics is a game in
many ways, and you know the Trump is in the
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political game. We got Kevin Roberts from the Heritage Foundation.
We want to give you the flash word, sir, twenty seconds.
Thanks for taking care of my buddy Clay. Happy to
have you. Well. We need every elected official who's conservative
to wield the power that he or she has. What
time is it an America? It's time for us to
charge hills and take this great country back. Amen. For
that will be with you tomorrow. Thanks for hanging with
(36:54):
us on Clay and back.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Our three of Clay and Buck starts now. Everybody,
thank you for being here with us. We have Tutor
Dixon joining in the conversation. She's the host of the
Tutor Dixon podcast on the Clay and Buck Network. And
Tutor appreciate you calling in. Yes, thank you for having me.
(00:22):
I want to get your reaction, Tutor. You're you're a
mom of a few few young kids, and you know four,
and yesterday the news all came in and it's it's
a just heartbreaking, it's a gut punch to the whole country.
Twenty four hours after the incident. Wanted to give you
opportunity to just address the people of America and more
(00:45):
specifically people of the Nashville area. Well, it's it hits
very close to home for me because of my four girls,
two of them are nine. I have twins their nine
year olds and you wake up and see this and
it is devastating. Well, last night, I'm putting them to
bed and it's hard to not burst into tears when
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you see them sleeping in their beds because you think
about the parents who are going through this incredible tragedy
and I'm just so mad about it. And I hear
all of the sides debating the politics of it, and
all I can think is, you can debate this all
you want, but you never come up with a solution
(01:28):
to keep our kids safe, and no realistic solution. I
never hear someone offer a realistic solution to keep our
kids safe. And it's not rocket science, but this school,
I mean, they had done the stuff that they thought
they needed to do, they had the one single entry point,
they had the door locked. This person blew through the door.
I mean, it is, you know, maniac that had this
(01:49):
desire to go hurt kids, which I can't I cannot understand.
And we can come up with the political reasons all
we want and say this person falls into this category
or that category, but at the end of the day,
anybody who goes in and does this falls into the
category of some lunatic that we weren't protected against. And
I'm mad. I think I think every parents mad. And
(02:12):
I know you've got four, I've got three. I don't
know where your girls go to school specifically, And you're right.
For people who have not watched the video, this killer
comes and shoots her way through locked doors to enter
into the school. So she shatters the glass, and that
is how she makes her entryway. I've been saying in
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one solution that I see that that isn't remotely partisan. Tutor,
when you consider all of the money that we spend
on things that don't protect our kids at all, I
don't understand why every school doesn't have an armed security guard.
I mean the schools you've been to my house, to
schools that my kids go to, public schools outside of Nashville,
they have armed security guards. And I'm not saying that
(02:54):
that's going to stop this from ever happening, but I
do think if every person knew every school in America
has an armed security guard there, maybe it gives them
pause about the idea that they're going to be able
to just go in and take the lives of innocent
people with nobody to defend them exactly. I mean, I
think about the fact that I was in college when
(03:15):
we heard about Columbine, and that was a heck of
a long time ago, and we're still going, gee, what's
the answer, and how could we possibly do this? And
we got to take guns away from everybody, which is
when people tell you that that might feel good, it's
a lie. It's not a solution that's actually going to
stop somebody from doing this. How do we protect kids?
(03:37):
And I've seen technology that would blow your mind that
you can have a school that they'll say, oh, this
is going to be a school that looks like a fortress. No,
this technology sets it up to the first bullet flies
and everything locks down, and we are not taking this seriously.
We will put millions of dollars into schools for reading
(03:59):
that never actually impacts reading. We will put hundreds of
thousands of dollars into conventions for teachers to go learn
about d EI and CRT. But we are not taking
care of our kids, making sure that we have security
guards there, making sure that the doors locked down, making
sure that there are measures in place to trap this
person so that they can't get to a classroom. This
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is not extreme. This is what we should be sitting
down and say whatever it takes to make sure no
parent grieves the loss of their child who went to school.
I dropped my kids off this morning and I looked
in their eyes and I said, what happens if someone
walks into school today? Well, you do, don't look for them,
don't get distracted, kind a place to hide. And I
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feel like, how can I be saying this to my kids?
How can I be so concerned that I am dropping
them off at a place where it's a gun free zone,
So the only person that's going to have a weapon
is the persons after them. No way. Speaking of Tuter Dixon,
she's the host of the Tutor Dixon podcast on the
Clay And Network. And you know, Tutor, I know that
(05:02):
in your first podcast interview it was with a firearms
expert who was talking about responsible firearms ownership and shooting
skills for women, particularly to protect themselves and their families.
I wanted to know if there's anything that came from that.
I mean, I'm sure that there's a lot of people
right now who are thinking, Yeah, obviously you can't be
(05:23):
ever at all times, and that's why we're talking about
hardening the schools. But just an understanding of self defense
and an understanding of what the possibilities are seems like
a worthwhile part of the conversation of trying to make
all of us a bit safer. Yeah, we had Rick
Ector on and it was really informative because this is
(05:43):
somebody who went from really only having a hunting rifle
to saying, I'm gonna teach women in Detroit to protect
themselves because of a story he saw on the news
of a woman who died, and he said, she didn't
have to die. But we went through the whole MSU shooting,
and that was somewhat of a unique school shooting because
this is somebody who wandered on campus, who had the
(06:06):
prosecutor really prosecuted a crime early on, potentially this person
would never have been able to buy a gun. And
this is another situation where the gun was purchased legally.
All signs look like in this situation Nashville, this gun
was purchased legally. We can say we can come up
with these false solutions and say we're going to have
(06:27):
some gun control methods that is going to catch the
bad guys, but it doesn't no matter what state we
look in. And that was what Rick was so clear about.
He said, look, you have these prosecutors that are soft
on crime, they're not doing this. Why not allow people
to protect themselves? And we've had folks say, well, if
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you're a teacher, why shouldn't you be allowed to carry
a gun if you want to. And I said to
my girls today, what happens if someone comes in your classroom?
And they said, well, the teacher has a bat and
she can stand next to the door. And my heart
sinks because I'm like, we're using a bat against a gun.
(07:08):
I mean, what are we going to say that our
kids are worthy of protection and that these stories of
gun control our fairy tales and this and Rick lays
it out pretty clearly as to what happened at MSU
and why we should be frustrated with these soft on
crime prosecutors that are letting these people go, letting these
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people back on the streets, letting these people legally buy
firearms who under the system the way it is now,
they wouldn't have been able to. But that's the thing.
People say, Oh, we need strict or laws, and we
actually have laws that we need to abide by. But
in this case, we've got a mental health issue. And
that's another whole issue that I don't think we have
(07:52):
an understanding of how to get a handle on this,
because mental health it's not like a broken arm. It's
not like you know how to set it and get
it back together. Mental health is different for everybody, and
we're really challenged with this mental health issue and we're,
you know, in a way, we're glorifying mental health issues
(08:12):
right now, and how is that helping our kids? It's
confusing our kids even more. And now we've got people
going in and shooting up a school that clearly was
under mental health care and needed help. But there's no
monitoring system for folks like this. And what is the
answer to that. You know, I'm not pretending that I
(08:33):
have that answer, but I think that we need These
are the things we need to be mourning over and
grieving over and saying we have. This has to be
top of mind. It has to be our top priority.
I don't disagree at all. You've got four, Like I said,
I've got three. This twenty eight year old bought seven
guns from five different dealers. She was under treatment. Her
(08:58):
parents say they had no idea she had bought seven guns.
She was living at home. I come back again and again,
and I'm not just saying this because you're on tutor.
You've got four kids. We've got every parent, grandparent known
to man out there. If your kids have emotional issues,
you need to be not only worried about their safety
(09:18):
with their emotional issues. You need to be worried about
other people's emotional safety and physical safety as well. There
needs to be far more I think parenting going on here.
I just I can't get past it. Buck, we were
talking about it last hour. She lived in the home
with her parents and they claim that she somehow hid
seven guns in the house and they had no idea.
(09:40):
That to me is parental failure. I'm sorry, it just is.
It's such an awkward situation because you've got a clearly
an adult, but this person is living with their parents
because they're not capable of being an adult. Right, So
at that point, when is the parents palpable? And in
Michigan and you see that the Oxford shooting, the parents
(10:02):
are being held accountable for the child. And I think, honestly,
this is what I think the future is. You have
to be held accountable for your child's actions. Now it
is there is a gray area when the child is seventeen, sixteen, fifteen,
then you our mom and dad. When the child is
twenty seven and they're living with you, then are you responsible?
(10:24):
You know, if you're a roommate, are you responsible? But
you have a child that is living with you because
they have mental health issues. How do you not know this?
I can't imagine not knowing this. It's like you said,
this wasn't and it's not like these are tiny pistols.
We're talking about seven pretty good sized weapons you've got
in your household, and it's shocking and I just can't.
(10:48):
I can't let this get clouded by the politics of
all of it, because at the end of the day,
I cannot get past the fact that six people have
lost their lives. And once again it's going to be
out of the news cycle in a couple of days,
and maybe this one will be faster, and again there
will be no action on what we do to make
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sure our most valuable, precious good is taking care of.
I mean, these are our kids. Listen to the Tutor
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the clay in Buck podcast network. Tutor, really appreciate your
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Tuesday edition of the program. Will continue to monitor to
see whether or not we get any more details about
the manifesto. You just heard from Tutor Dick sent her
(13:00):
podcast part of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton podcast network.
More people to come. I think you will enjoy those conversations.
Those discussions were broadening the horizons of the show. Encourage
all of you to get out there, and it's out there.
I did for this week play some deep dives with
Jack Possobic, which a lot of you I'm sure we'll
find very interesting, both on Ukraine and about Trump twenty
(13:22):
twenty four. Jack is firmly on the it is Trump,
it is his race and he's the only one, so um,
you should listen to it. Also Douglas Murray, you know
Douglas Murray War on the West. Yeah, you're right, Yeah,
super smart guy. We talked about a whole range of things,
including his visit to SEC Schools Clay, which was very interesting,
(13:44):
meaning his conversations about Western civilization and history. Douglas not
as much time on you know, Alabama's backup quarterback situations. Yeah,
not as much on that, but we discussed that as Anyway,
some great conversations this week, oh Anna, Paulina Luna as
well from from Congress up in the Tampa area of Florida.
So go check it out, everybody for sure. So Trump
(14:07):
has not been on Fox News very much. He's been
on this radio show way more than he's been on
Fox News. But last night, our friend Sean Hannity, who
many of you will hear in about thirty some odd minutes,
did a sit down with Trump from Mara Lago as
a part of his Sean Hannity Show. I watched the
entire hour long interview because I was curious to see
what Trump had to say, given that we haven't had
(14:29):
that many long form conversations with him in recent vintage.
And in particular, Hannity asked him about Rhonda Santis and
his relationship. And here's what Trump said, Rhonda Santis would
be doing if Trump had not endorsed him for governor.
The question I'm asked the most about about you of
(14:50):
lady is Rhonda Santis? What happened? I thought they were friends?
What happened? Not friends? I didn't know him well, he said,
I'm telling you, I think I could win if I
could get your indorsement. And he was, you'll have to
check the records. But many many, many points it was over.
So I said, let's give it a shot. Run okay,
And he was desperate. I said, okay. I gave him
(15:12):
a nice inducement. I said, you write out what you'd
like and let me see it. He wrote it out.
I thought it was terrible. I changed it, made it great.
I gave him a great indorsement. I got him the nomination.
By the way, couldn't have never gotten the nomination. He
would be working in either a pizza parlor place or
a law office right now, okay, and he wouldn't be
very hasty. First of all, it's a very funny line.
(15:32):
Why place or a law office as many as many
often make the choice to do. I know personally, if
I wasn't doing this radio show, I'd have two options,
pizza parlor or be a lawyer. M But but yeah,
look it is there is no love loss between these two.
It's a funny line. It gets more attention than it
(15:53):
would if he just said, hey works in a law office.
I did you watch this whole thing? Buck? I watch.
I watched it all last night. You know, Sean sat
down with him and and UM, yeah, we Carrie and
I were here watching it last night. I am really curious. Um,
I don't even want to want to weigh in on this,
(16:14):
um before I let pete before we open the lines
to folks, if you are all in Trump already, now,
how did you think Trump did last night? So I
don't I don't want to. If you're a just if
you're a dissantist partisan in this one, I probably know
how you think Trump did last night, right, But I'm wondering,
(16:34):
how do people that think that Trump is is the guy,
the only guy? What did they think of the interview? Um?
Because when we come back, uh, Jason Chaffitz over on Fox,
some of you may have seen this clip. I don't
want to he gave a very um uh forceful I
have seen this clip. I haven't seen us. Did he
(16:58):
think it was awesome, sauce and amazing or did he
think that it was the opposite of that. I'm just wondering.
We'll come back and play this. I want to leave
people on the edge a little bit on this one
because I'm really curious to know what The response from
some of this audience was about this before before we
(17:18):
even weigh in, just in terms of how Trump did
in the interview and his answers and what he said.
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asking the question you get yelled at now. You know that,
right if you say, hey, guys, how do you think
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(17:39):
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So we said we'd we'd hear from our rand over
at Fox Jason Chafits, Well, we'd play the clip where
(19:06):
he talked about the Trump interview. Last night. I watched
the whole thing. Sean did the first really meaningful sit
down with him. And I think about six months that
no one's really talked to Trump. But this length work
for quite some time. Certainly worth going and uh and
folks tuning into it on Fox if you if you
missed it last night. But by the way, did we
(19:28):
get some I want to do we get a bunch
of calls in on this. I'm so because I want
of them lined up, one of them lined up before. Okay,
I mean sin Clay, this is the problem. Okay, this
is it. This is a challenge that I have here.
We we take we helply have so many lines whatever
it is we've we've got, you know, a half dozen
or so phone lines. We can take it one time here,
(19:49):
right and if all the lines light up with one
with one opinion, there's not people will say, well, why
can't you take them or varied? You know, we'll get
we'll get a little bit. People say, well, you're just
picking and choosing. We're literally going with the calls that
we have that I have to get past the screener
for topic, every for being topical and clarity of the
actual connection. But we're just taking what we're getting. When
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we put this out. I just want to say that
before we get to some of these calls. I mean,
here was the Jason Chafits response to the Trump sit
down with Hannity. In terms of how Trump did play it,
I thought Sean Hannity did a good job. But I
watched that and I thought, where is Donald Trump? I
voted for Donald Trump twice, I have defended him countless times.
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I thought he was horrific. I think that was the
worst interview I've seen the president too. He was whining,
he was complaining, he played the victim card time and
time again, and then after that he complained that you know,
somebody had endorsed was now running against him. And I
thought he was absolutely horrific. He's the former president of
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the United States. Act like it. He didn't in that interview.
I'm saying, that's the that's the most uh elbows in
the pain I've ever heard Jason throw anywhere on anything, really,
maybe going back to when he was in the Benghazi
hearings in Congress. He's that a talented guy. I watched
the interview and I left thinking, oh, I like Donald
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Trump and Sean Hannity more than I did before I
sat down and watched the interview we like super funny
and engaging and was very funny, thought, and I thought
Sean was well prepared and the questions were good. And
maybe it's just that you and I watched so much
and listen to so much Trump. None of the answers
really surprised me. But I thought he did a pretty
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good job of answering them in an, you know, engaging way,
and I thought he didn't dodge anything of course that
Hannity was asking. I will just say this though, I
mean trying to interview Trump, having done it numerous times,
Clay's done it numerous times, it is it is rogue
elephant time. I mean, you are Trump is going where
he's going. I just you know, people will say, why
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don't you jump in more? You try to jump in
on Trump more when he's in the middle of an answer,
and look, he's the former president, he's the candidate. You know,
people are gonna want to hear what he has to
say more than anything else, obviously, But even if you
try to shape the conversation a little bit more or
follow up, Trump has just this way. He's a He's
like a verbal steam roller. You know, you can't you think,
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by the way, about the loyalty argument, because on the
one hand, I do think I can see, Okay, Rod
de Santis, I do believe is the governor of Florida
the first time because of Trump. That is, I buy
into Trump one hundred percent. DeSantis would not have been
elected governor of Florida in twenty eighteen without Trump. But
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DeSantis then served four years as governor of Florida did
not get the Trump endorsement at all in twenty two
and one by nineteen points. So I can both simultaneously
see the Trump argument of hey, I helped Ron get
his opportunity. But then when you prove that you're really
good at that job, and that you're so good at
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that job that you deserve another one. Let me give
you a sports analogy. Buck. If you went out and
you said, hey, I know sports, you should go draft
this guy. He's going to be a really good baseball pitcher, right,
and then you go draft him and he plays for
four years in the minor leagues and he got his
start with that team because you said draft him, and
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then he ends up the day one starter of the
major league baseball team and bumps you down to two.
I don't think any athlete would come out and say
I thought it was really disrespectful that he took the
starting nod over me, given he got his opportunity because
of me. I mean, I'll just say my version of
or my feeling about that argument is there are people
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in conservative media who only do the jobs they do
in some cases because I reached out to them, made
connections for them, and some of them have become very successful.
I would say that three out of four of the
people that I can think of were in that role.
You know, they're like polite to me, but there's never
there's no sense of like, oh thank you, and there's
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no sense of loyalty. They've just gone on and done
their own thing. But I always say I do it
for the movement, and I do it because I like
to help people. I don't do it because I want
anything in response. Now, that's just trying to help people
in our business play. Isn't what's most important, what's best
for the country. Who is best for the role right now?
That to me, I think is the overriding consideration and
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should be for Trump and for descantists. Now, Trump obviously
thinks he is and he is ahead in the polls,
and he's the former president, and I get it, but
I don't think it's fair to think that somebody should
be excluded from their call to service. You know, desantists
may have preyed on this a lot, and he may
feel called to it, and that's something we're gonna be here.
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He hasn't even announced yet, right, so we're also having
this crazy discussion about it. Let me also make this
analogy back, because I think it's maybe even better than
the one I just did. If you hire somebody as
an assistant coach in any sport and they are so
good that they get ahead job, and then they end
up coaching against you in the super Bowl, you would
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never say I can't believe he's trying to beat me
in the super Bowl. The only reason he even has
a job is because I found him when nobody else
would give him a chance, and now he's in the
super Bowl because of me. How dare he try to
beat me? Like that would be a ludicrous argument for
a former head coach who hired his assistant to make
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and that, to me is kind of what Trump is
doing here. Like I said, we're going to close it
out here by we got a bunch of people on
the line. If the line is busy, just know that
we're going to rack and stack some calls here. So
once you hear one and we finished that call, you
can then jump in because I want to get a
diversity of perspect that word, a diversity of perspective out
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d ie. You know all this one um and and
right now I think they're all leading it in one direction.
But it's just what do we think of the the
interview last night, the Trump response. There were some funny
moments with Trump. There's a reason why this guy was
able to do what he what he did in twenty sixteen.
But I want to hear from the folks out there,
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and I want to try to always we're trying to
play this as fair and square? Is it Farren? Square?
Square and fair? Thank you, Fret Fahren, Square as we
can right as we can. And that means opening up
to all of you. Um. I mean, look, I mean
I just had Jack Posolvik. We sat down for an hour.
Go listen to Clay and Buck podcast. Oh and we
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have the is it the the president of the Heritage Foundation,
but he's popping by, Yes, So we're gonna be joined
just a moment by Kevin Roberts. I'm up here in
uh In, DC broadcasting literally from the Heritage Foundation offices.
So he's going to step in and say hi in
this next segment, all right, So we'll come back to
that to second Clay, what do you got for us?
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broadcasting from the Heritage Foundation in DC to sit in
with us on this final segment of the show. Kevin
Roberts he is still recovering from his beloved Texas Longhorns. Buck,
you don't know anything about this. Losing down the stretch
(29:02):
against Miami to cost themselves a final Longhorns almost defeat
the Crimson Tide in person at right, the right team.
Thank you. We were in Austin for the game between
Texas and Alabama back in September of last year. Forget
my beloved Longhorns, he forgets that. I'm I was supposed
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to be at that game in the same box with
the two of you and are shared friends. Yes, but
I got a call to be in Bedminster with a
former president. Yeah, and I told him, you know, sir,
no disrespect, but the Longhorns. I got to follow this game.
So we are talking about You're in an interesting spot,
like a lot of people are as the primary season
hit catches up on in earnest, and we wanted to
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give people an opportunity to react. I'm sure you saw
the Sean Hannity interview last night with President Trump where
he discussed that he thought that DeSantis was being disloyal. Uh,
and let's go in here Diane in Melbourne floor, by
the way, thank you for allowing me to do the
show from here. You guys do tremendous work at the
Heritage Foundation. Diane and Melbourne, Florida. What did you think
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of the interview? How would you assess what you saw
last night from Trump? Well, I thought Trump was good.
I'm a big Trump supporter, I'm a big Defantis supporter,
and I you know, Trump did a good job. But
I'll tell you I'm a little stirred on DeSantis after
his very lukewarm or actually non supportive Trump against a
(30:31):
malicious prosecution of Brad. I was a little surprised when
Trump didn't support or when Desantist didn't support Trump after
the Mara Lago, right, that sort of shocked me. But
then after he didn't support him with the brag thing,
you know, it just gives me pause. You want your
governor or have your back. I mean, I'm a conservative,
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Defansis is supposedly a conservative, So you know, I think
if Brad came after me, would I get any support?
You know, I just think it was a big unforced
er on de Stantus as part. And after he did Dad,
I started to do some research on DeSantis and you know,
I'm reading reports that he's supported by Paul Ryan and
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Jeb Bush. So you know, I don't know. I'm I'm
getting a little fired on him now, thank you for it,
called Diane Roy and Florida also buck once the way
in what did you think Roy? Good afternoon, guys. Yes
to Santus is my governor. But like Javis said, he
was whining every bit of it. But let me ask
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you a question. Maybe you can get into this tomorrow.
I'm sorry was whining or you thought you thought Trump
was whining like chaffa, Trump was whin. Yeah, Trump was whining.
You know. It's like, listen to me because he hasn't spoken.
You haven't heard anything at length from him in months
until until handing the interviewed. But let me ask you
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this question. You remember they said they we're gonna have
a red wave come last election. I was one of
those people. I was one of those people saying it Roy,
I thought we were going to get it. I was wrong.
I did too. But now Trump is limited to one
term if he does get reelected, which leads to term limits.
But that's another story. What if, and I'm saying this
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with kindness, what if these two knuckleheads got together in
a room and said, hey, let me run for president.
Let me take you for the vice presidency. Groom you,
I do one term, then you run for president and
maybe get two terms out of it, and the Republicans
stick it right back to the Democrats. Look, it's a thought,
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it's definitely a look, it's the thought that a lot
of people have been sharing that they would team up.
I just I mean, look, if it happened, it would
be remarkable, and I think it would be unstoppable politically.
I don't think that anybody has the expectation that that
is going to happen, But that doesn't mean that it can't,
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and it's certainly be interesting. What is best for the
country is our guiding star here to the degree that
it can be, and I think that anything that's pushing
in that direction is to the good. Matt in Columbus,
Ohio on the Trump pizzeria reference, what's going on, Matt,
how you guys doing? I love the show? Thank you,
(33:21):
You're a great taste. In radio comments, I believe that
Trump made the pizza parlor commat to de stant this
because multiple times he's referred to him as a groomer,
and I think he's referencing pizza Gate. No, I don't
think that I don't think that's yeah, a little bit
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of an Italian shot by saying he'd be working in
a pizza parlor. That's the meat ball ron reference. I'm
curious we've got Kevin Roberts from the Heritage Foundation in
here with us. How much more difficult is primary season
for you guys as opposed to general election season. Well,
first of all, we have a deep bench, so it's glorious.
We're talking about multiple candidate, right, But it's difficult because
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we're friends with all of these guys and gals. Yeah,
because whoever the next president is, whoever he or she is,
the voters will have their say. We want heritage and
conservative policies to reign supreme because we're gonna need two,
if not three, consecutive terms of conservative governance to take
back the country. Buck. We hear, I bet, most commonly
among our audience a desire not for Trump to win
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or de Santists to win, but for them to be
on the same ticket, don't you. I mean, if we
were really just analyzing the amount of what's what I
hear from people most often is they want them on
the same ticket. They're they're too great, they're too great.
Warriors for the cause. And you know, it's it's impossible
to talk about Trump, I think without recognizing first of all,
(34:44):
the unbelievable victory. I mean, Trump saved us and I've
never forgotten this. Trump saved us from eight years of
Hillary Clinton. Okay, so just correct worth pointing that out.
And then I think governed very well on a whole
variety of fronts. We can't get it all of it now,
we don't have all the time. But Trump was I thought,
a very strong president. And you know, now you just
have the is it the you know, this is the
(35:06):
classic It feels almost like Shakespearean drama here, or one
of the classic operas like the you know, the the
up and coming prince versus the the aging king. You know,
who's the best to rule the kingdom? Well, ultimately you
want what's best for the kingdom, and you hope that
they work it out and they figure it out. Yeah,
So that's that's where I would take this play. That's
that's how I see it. We got Brett in Wisconsin
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and we're just taking these calls in order. There is
no favoritism. Brett, what do you got for us? Hey, guys,
thanks for the call. Hey, I just wanted to point
out that I'm kind of sick of the fact that
Trump still doesn't understand politics. After all these years. You
would think you would know that there really is no
loyalty or there is, there is very few loyalties. And
he's kind of nice in fifteen sixteen seventeen when he
(35:50):
was kind of this guy, you know who he wasn't
a politician, you know, but there comes to a point
where you got to kind of play along, you know,
not so much play along, but you got to understand
the game that you're in, you know, and you know
this whining about these people, you know, I mean he
did it to tet cruise, you know, he couldn't believe
Tet crews there or Scarborough, you know, people would shake
his hand and then go on TV and he couldn't
understand all of these people are savage and him on
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TV effort shaking his hand, you know, and I just
it's like, get with it, man. It always reminds me back,
thank you for the call of when people say I'm
so sick of them playing politics, and you're like, that's
literally the game they're in. You know, nobody's like I'm
so sick of them playing football. Yeah, that they're playing
in football. You know, like politics is a game in
many ways, and you know the Trump is in the
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political game. We got Kevin Roberts from the Heritage Foundation.
We want to give you the flash word, sir, twenty seconds.
Thanks for taking care of my buddy Clay. Happy to
have you. Well. We need every elected official who's conservative
to wield the power that he or she has. What
time is it an America? It's time for us to
charge hills and take this great country back. Amen. For
that will be with you tomorrow. Thanks for hanging with
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