May 16, 2024 • 36 mins
Former Hawaii Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard joined the show to discuss why she'd like to debate Kamala Harris as Donald Trump's running mate, the identity politics that ruled the Democrat Party, transgender athletics and more. Trump-endorsed Arizona congressional candidate, Abe Hamadeh, joins Clay to talk Trump trial, the Arizona race and more. Clay hates teases. Society is more concerned with words than actions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. As we were rolling
through the third hour of the program. Buck'll be back tomorrow,
he's traveling. We have a photo shoot. Don't even get
me started on the three hour photo shoot that we have.
I didn't pick out my clothes. I wonder if Buck
picked out his. My wife doesn't trust me to pick
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out my own clothes to get my photos taken. So
that probably gives you a good sense of my fashion sense.
As I'm sitting here in a T shirt and shorts
doing the show, Tulci Gabbert joins us. Now, Tulsi, do
you pick out your own clothes for photo shoots or
do you have a stylist? Do you think you have
good style? My wife has no faith in my style.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm laughing as I was hearing you say that I
don't have a stylist, But generally, if I'm doing something
fancy like that, I will ask my husband, and I
trust his case far more than I trust my own.
I'm sitting here in workout clothes as I'm talking to
you today, so we're good.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
So let me ask you this, how long have you
been married.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
We just celebrated our ninth anniversary.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Congratulations, We're about to celebrate twenty. My wife for twenty
years has asked me what should I wear to an event?
And for twenty years I've had no idea what to
tell her. Does does your husband give you good advice
on what to wear new events? I mean, it's actually
kind of curious because you have so many formal events
I would imagine and things to go to, like the
whole concept of what to wear to things for women,
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I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It's a real problem. It's a real problem.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I am of the mindset that in a you know,
in a twenty four hour period, and maybe you can relate.
We have a lot of decisions to make just in
the course of a day everything you know, what am
I gonna have for breakfast? Or what to far more
serious things, and so for me, I like to minimize
the decisions about what I wear to be as simple
as possible as why. One of one of the reasons
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why when I'm on army duty in uniform like that
is that is the easiest thing. So I just I
keep it very simple. So if I have to break
out of my normal rotation of three suits or blazers
that I use. I do ask my husband. He has
great tastes in just being able to tell like I
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don't know. He has never steered me wrong. He's a cinematographer,
he's a musician, so he uses a different side of
the brain than I do. And it's always you know,
I just go for clean, classy and simple, and he
is on the mark anytime I have any question at all.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Tulsea Gabbert always finally dressed for the per appropriate thanks
to her husband having great taste.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
All right, let's dive into this.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
CBS News supposedly VP debate July twenty third August thirteenth.
They haven't set a date officially yet. How bad do
you think you would massacre Kamala Harris if you got
the opportunity to go head to head against her in
a vice presidential debate? And how much, based on your
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experience in twenty twenty race, would you relish that opportunity?
Be honest, is there anybody you would rather eviscerate in
a debate than Kamala Harris?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
You know I'm not one to hold personal grudges. However,
I can say based on the experience I had in
our interaction on a debate stage in twenty twenty, and
how surprised I was that her lack of preparedness to
address her own record that she was running on during
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her presidential campaign. She was proud of her record, and
yet asking her some very simple questions about that record
completely blew her cover and showed how ill prepared she was,
and that has only been reaffirmed throughout her tenure as
vice president. So I would love to have the opportunity
to go toe to tode with her on a debate
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stage that there is not a lack of material to
address given the substance of the failure of both President
Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris in their positions.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Doesn't it speak to how bad she is that despite
the fact that Joe Biden is objectively I think it's
fair to say, the worst president in most of our lives,
they are terrified at eighty two year old Joe Biden
stepping down because it would mean they would have to
elevate Kamala Harris, who has managed to somehow be worse
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than Joe Biden despite the fact that he's the worst
president ever. I mean that really kind of sums up
the awfulness of their combination, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It does, and it point it points to the lack
of judgment obviously in President Biden knows around him. For
him to make a decision that he stated from the
outset would be purely based on identity politics reveals the
failure of that whole that whole premise. I think the
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other thing that just came to mind, given their identity
politics is is I know this because it's the excuse
Kamala Harris uses every time anyone in the media dares
to point out her failures and her lack of preparedness,
she says, well, you know they are racist or they
are sexist. If I am going toe to toe with
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her as a quote unquote woman of color on the
debate stage, I don't know how she uses that as
an excuse to cover up her inadequacy and in her
lack of qualification to serve in the current position that
she's in and to be literally one breath away from
the presidency.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
We're talking to Tulsea Gabbard, four term congresswoman, combat veteran
currently serving as a lieutenant colonel in the US Army Reserve,
and she has a best selling book for Love of Country,
which you'd encourage you guys to go check out Tulsea.
You grew up in Hawaii. I believe you are a
big surfer. I think we've talked about this before. Would
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you have ever believed that men would be able to
identify as women and compete in surfing championships to win
women surfing championships as a woman who has grown up
surfing all over Hawaii? If you and I are around
the same age, if I had told you that was
going to happen in two thousand and three, two thousand
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and four, twenty years ago, I think you would have
told me that I was crazy, and maybe I would
have agreed to make that argument. But now it's Democrat
standard orthodoxy. How do we get here?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
It is? It's literal insanity, and I dedicate a whole
chapter in my book specifically to this topic, both because
of what the consequence is. I've spoken with a few
of the women who are currently on the World Surfing
Circuit tour and then expressing their frustrations because not only
is it completely unfair, there are two different divisions for
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a reason, the physical capability of male surfers to be
able to paddle into some of the biggest waves in
the world is just different from the women. These women
are excellent beyond you know, I'm like I'm like in
kindergarten as a surfer compared to what these women are
doing and dominating around the world. However, they are different
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for a reason, and if they speak up about it,
they will immediately see their sponsorships canceled and perhaps be
kicked off the tour. We see this because it happened
to Bethany Hamilton. Yea, she had her arm bit off
as a child, and so as a one armed surfing
woman she is still going out and competing and doing
things that I define.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Let me pause here for a moment with you, because
I want the Bethany Hamilton's story to me is so amazing.
If I ever got attacked by a shark, because I
think that's how she lost her arm right as a surfer,
she was attacked by a shark.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
If a shark ever bid.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Me, if I had the tiniest little cut, ever, I'm
not sure I would ever go in the ocean again.
Can you imagine the bravery that it takes to lose
an arm? To a show and then get better and
go back out into the ocean with only one arm
to try to catch waves. I mean to me, that
is a bravery that's unparalleled in terms of athletics. And
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she's speaking out and saying, hey, there's a big difference
between men and women. And it's like she's not even
being paid attention to by many people.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
She's not, and worse, she's being retaliate against. And you're
absolutely right. I mean her courage and bravery as she
was healing from you know, the shark bit off her
arm very close to her shoulder, so there's nothing there
really to work with. She doesn't use a prosthetic when
she's paddling. I don't even know if that's a viable thing.
But she was eager. I think she was twelve years
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old when this happened. She was eager. It's amazing in
the water to pursue her passion and really what I
respect in her and her story. It's powerful for so
many reasons. But as you look at the courage she
exhibited them, and you look at the courage she exhibits
now as a mom of I think three kids now
competing in incredible waves around the world when she just
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stood up and said men should not be competing against
women in surfing. Her decades long sponsor immediately canceled their
sponsorship for her, which is a way to earn her
livelihood to help support her family. And there's a thing
on International Women's Day that's become a tradition in surfing
where the male surfers, as they're competing, they choose the
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name of a woman they admire and put it on
their jersey. In these past couple of years, multiple male
competitors chose Bethany Hamilton as the woman they most admire.
And after Bethany Hamilton made that statement, the World Surf
League would not allow her name on these men's jersey.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Unbelievable, Like four or five.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Of them wanted to feature her, admire her, applaud her,
champion her, and they said, no, you are not allowed
to have this woman, this specific woman's name on your jersey.
I give for so much credit because she is continuing
to stand up and speak out for free speech and
for equality for women and girls and protecting women and
girls in surfing, in all sports. And I hope that
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more women are willing to do the same and men
for that matter.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I think this is important.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I think I asked you this the last time you
were on your in consideration potentially to be vice president
or to be involved in the cabinet. You and I
have a similar political evolution. You were a Democrat. I
voted for Democrats, I worked for Democrats, and then I
finally just looked around, starting about six seven years ago
in real earnest and said, Democrats have lost their minds.
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And I haven't really changed. I still believe pretty much
the same thing I always have, but I'm now considered
to be a right winger. And as I talked earlier,
people say, oh, I'm super controversial because I say things like,
you know, men's sports should only be made up of men,
and women's sports should only be made up of women.
I think there are tens of millions of people out there,
like you and me, who are persuadable to recognize that
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things are broken in this country. They need to be fixed,
and much of the breaking is being done by the
left wing in this country. How many people do you
think are out there persuadable and how do you think
they respond to you when you make that argument?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Oh gosh, I mean millions to tens of millions of
people at a minimum. You know, my evidence is purely
anecdotal at this point. But I live out of a suitcase,
and I travel across the country, and I meet people
and hear from people every single day who say the
same thing that you just said, who resonate deeply with
my experience, in your experience, who are now being called
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conservatives or right wing Republicans simply for standing up and
stating what is obvious in objective truth of biology, between
the differences between a man and a woman standing up
and saying that the government should not be censoring speech.
Free speech is free speech in America. That the government
shouldn't be weaponizing its institutions against its political opponents. That
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our streets should be safe, and our police should be
allowed to do their jobs, our borders should be secure.
These things are not radical ideas, They are fundamentally American ideals.
And I specifically focused in my books about each chapter
dedicated to one of these major fundamental principles. And this
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is where I see hope and opportunity in this election,
and where I've experienced my ability to connect with people
and let them know, hey, it's not only okay for
you to walk away from the craziness of the Democratic Party.
But we must seize this moment as Americans and fulfill
our responsibility as citizens to save our country and to
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defend our freedom and make sure we send President Biden
and Kamala Harris packing on election day.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Tulseie, you not only managed to write a best selling book,
you did it without bragging about killing a puppy or
meeting Kim Jong un. Congratulations, thank you, We'll talk to
you again soon. That is Tulsi Gabbard. And yeah, she
hasn't met Kim Jong un, but also she hasn't killed
a puppy. It's really kind of amazing, and she's got
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a best selling book.
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Speaker 1 (14:43):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you. Hanging out with us. Buck is traveling. You'll
be back with me tomorrow. We've got a huge, huge
photo shoot, which you just heard me mention with I
hate photo I'm gonna be honest with you. I really
hate getting my picture taken. I always joke that I
lead the nation in being on the road for college
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football the number of guys who ask pretty girls to
take a photo of them with me. And the girls
are not used to taking pictures of their boyfriends, of
their husbands. They're the pretty ones, and they're like standing
there with the phone and they have no idea who
I am, and they're like, why why is my husband
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or my boyfriend running over with this random bearded guy
that I've never seen before.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Who is this dude? Why does he want a picture?
He never asked me for pictures. That's me.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
But I hate getting my picture taken. But if you
asked me to paint a picture, and that's what we
call an incredible transition in the radio business. You asked
me to paint a picture of pure evisceration and destruction.
Tulsie Cat Gabbard in a vice presidential debate against Kamala
Harris would be pure destruction Now, I'm not saying Trump's
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gonna pick Tulsie. I'm not even sure where she is
on the list. I still think Tim Scott, in my opinion,
is the most likely selection that.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
He's going to make.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
But if you told me Clay picks someone just for
this matchup, just for the vice presidential debate, who you think?
And there are a lot of people that I think
could do it, but who could do it the best
to just we've already seen her do it once, but
one on one to just end Kamala Harris. I think
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Tulsa Gabbard could do it. I really do, because, as
she pointed out, all Kamala really has is falling back
on I'm a black woman. It's racist and sexist for
anybody to question anything that I said. I mean, the
only reason she has a career is because she's a
black woman. So it's both shield and sword. You can't
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mention her race or sex, but that is why she
has all of her power is because of her race
and sex. And I think Tulca Gabbard would just verbally
slay her. I don't think it would be remotely close.
And can we mention the Bethany Hamilton thing? Can you
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imagine if a shark bit your arm off and then
you went right back out into the ocean. I'm not
sure there's anyone in all of sports that has ever
been braver than that.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I said it to Telson, but I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
If a shark grazed me and drew blood from me,
I don't know that I would ever.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Go into the ocean again.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
If a shark bit my arm off, I can guarant
damn t you I would never get in the ocean again.
I'm not sure i'd get in a swimming pool again.
That's how scared of water I would be. She's the
best women surfer in the world, and they won't even
let men honor her because she had the audacity to
say something quite true, much like Harrison Butker, Hey, there's
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a difference between men and women, and we should and
allow men to compete in women's sports.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I mean, just think about how crazy that is.
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Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We have now to Arizona
right now, where we're going to be joined right now
by Abe Hammada, who is running for Congress out in Arizona,
battleground state. And Abe, I want to start with this you.
I'm going to get into the Attorney General of Arizona
race with you here in a sec But first you
were a prosecutor. I'm sure you've been paying some attention
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to the Trump case in New York City that Alvin
Bragg brought as a prosecutor. How would you analyze the
case so far from your perspective.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
You're gonna be with you, Well, if you look at this,
you know, people always ask me about my legal analysis
on this case, and quite frankly, it's it's kind of
difficult to do that because I think all of us
can recognize what is happening. It's a political witch hunty
case involved, you know, federal issues of election law that
was declined way back in twenty seventeen. But Alvin Bragg
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what he did he brought the the third highest ranking
member of the Department of Justice to be this prosecutor
on this So from a I'm a former prosecutor Clay,
and I am ashamed of the legal system. And if
you're looking, it's not just in New York with this
one case. You see Letitia James, Fanny Willis, you have
Chris May's out here in Arizona. Then you got Jack Smith.
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And what really concerns me is these are attorneys who
are in their forties, fifties, and sixties who are this
radicalized with this Mark societeology. What concerns me is this
new crop that's coming out of the universities, how committed
they are going to be to destroying our country in
the rule of law. So you know, this is this
is why Trump passed to win. And I know the
jury pool is very heavily favored in terms of the prosecution,
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just because it was overwhelmingly for Joe Biden. But if
you look at Michael Cohen's testimony, he's a convicted liar
multiple times. And I think the defense is doing an
excellent job on it. But you know, it's it's hard,
but it's stacked against you so much. But I you know,
we have to pray and hope that the jury does
the right thing. But I think everybody, at least everybody
watching this, if they've seen any trials of this case,
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they're they're looking at this as a witch hunting. I
think has only helped Trump in his election prospects.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I don't want you to dodge this because you're a politician,
and politicians are good at dodging questions. This is gonna
be maybe the most difficult question you get this whole campaign.
You went to Arizona State undergrad, you went to the
University of Arizona for law school. Who do you root
for when Arizona and Arizona State play and a tie?
And by the way, a tie is not an acceptable
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answer at all, sir, No.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I'm brutally honest.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Well, it depends which sport. My brother in law, he
was actually an NBA champion who played at ASU, Jeff Ayers,
So you know, with basketball it's probably ASU. But you know,
typically you of Baide does a lot better, but football
attends to be U of Bana. It really depends on
which sport it is. But I had a good time
at both schools.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I saw the by the way, that is the typical
politician answer. Well, in football one thing, basketball another, so
both sides can be happy and angry simultaneously. I'm sure
you saw the video of the ASU frat guys clearing
up the Palestine protests and it went super viral. Intended
to be a negative, but a lot of people were like, hey,
good for those guys. Would you have believed when you
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were at ASU and you were at the U of
A that it would ever get to the point where
Jewish students didn't feel comfortable walking around campus.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
No, and I think that's what's so scary right now, Clay,
is how how aggressively Marxists are. And I've always been saying,
what it's kind of an unusual alliance that's happening right now.
Right you see these I mean, these people have purple hair,
pink hair, they don't know what gender they are. They're
flying this LGBTQ flag along with hezbolas flags and Palestinian flag,
which is unusual, right, But this is what Marxism is.
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It's stilled as contradictions. They're using the universities as their
training camps, they're using the media as their propaganda arm,
and they're using radical Islamis b Lem and Antifa as
their military wing. So you know, in combination of all
those three things, it's a recipe for disaster. And what
you know, I applaud ASU and U of A has
been cracking down a lot more aggress to believe in
other schools. And if you saw the frat boys at ASU,
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there was almost sanctioned by the university. Actually the police,
the undercover police are basically telling them, hey, go do
the go do the dirty work for us. So I'm
it's good to see that strong people you know, courage
is contagious, Clay, and I think that's what's important. We
have to stand for truth. We have to protect you know,
these you know we keep saying Jewishes, but these are Americans, Shuits,
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these are our fellow Americans. And imagine if the the
same was in reverse where you saw people in his
jabs not allowed to go to campus classrooms. You know,
everybody when being up war. So we have to we
have to be fair. We have to, you know, protect
our Jewish American students. And you know in Congress what
I want to do. I want to start going after
the universities. They're taking all this money from Qatar, China,
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the Emirates, and that's the problem right now, is that
our universities are captured by foreign countries.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
We're talking to Abe. I'm gonna get you right now.
Your name correctly here, Hammaday. You can correct me if
I'm mispronouncing one of the things that I do on
the show.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
All the time.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Abe has mispronounced everybody's name. I think I have the
worst phonetics on the planet. So hopefully I'm getting that right.
I want you to dive into because you know better
than anybody what's going on in Arizona. I'm sitting here
in Tennessee. Buck is usually down in Florida, and I'm
concerned that in twenty twenty four, the election's gonna come
down to a few thousand votes in Arizona. And we
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saw what happened in twenty twenty where it felt like
it took a month to figure out what the vote
tally was going to be. You know better than anybody,
I would say, almost in the entire country in twenty
twenty two. You can tell the audience that may not
be aware how minimal the gap was between you being
the Attorney general of Arizona and you not and all
of the issues, particularly Americopa County, but certainly in other
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parts of Arizona as well. Should we non Arizonas but
I'm sure Arizonas certainly want this as well. But for
people outside, have you guys fixed the election related issues?
Are you confident that in twenty twenty four we talked
to carry a couple days ago, you know this tell
us your attorney general experience in that race and what happened,
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and should we be confident at all in the process
in Arizona.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Yeah, Well, that's a great question, and you're pronouncing my
name correctly, Clay, and I don't have an easy name
like you. At two first names.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I've actually got three Richard, Clay, Travis. And yes, that
causes its own issues, but yeah, tell us about the
attorney general process.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Absolutely. So in twenty twenty two here in Arizona, we
all saw what happened with those machines going down. Ultimately,
you know, I supposedly lost my race by two hundred
and eighty votes out of two point five million, the
closest race in Arizona history, Clay. And there's still nine
thousand uncounted ballots from election day. And what's interesting about
that is a lot of these ballots that are not
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counted are actually legitimate ballots. One of them is a
husband of a state senator who's an Army veteran for
thirty years. Imagine his vote did not count, it was counted,
they classified as a provisional ballot. So and we overwhelmingly
one election day votes. So that's why those machines were targeted.
I believe they were targeted, and they went down in
my congressional district that I'm running, and it was hit
the hardest and it was a very Republican area with
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the most amount of seniors in the entire state, and
those you know, those people can't wait in line for
that low And I tell people that I am not
confident about what's going to happen. I'm only confident that
me and Terry Lake have been exposing all of this
here in Arizona. But unfortunately, the same people who ran
twenty twenty, in twenty twenty two in Arizona are still
in charge. However, I think a lot of these lawsuits,
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you know, there has been good momentum with it. We
have a strong RNC chairwoman, We have a strong Arizona
Republican Party chairwoman who's excellent on election integrity. So at
least we're vigilant now, but we have to be guarded,
of course. But you know, with President Trump, I think
they're worried right now. Clay, in twenty twenty, the biggest
difference was there wasn't this rise of third parties. If
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you remember, the Green Party was not on the ballot,
RFK Junior was on about So now you have this
combination of all these third parts. So I think it
becomes more difficult for the left to positively cheat in
this election. I tell folks, you know, how they're doing,
how they're rigging our elections. It's not just the voter roles,
it's not just the machines with the you know, going
down death by a thousand cuts. And that's something that
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I've learned over the past two years, and that's why
I'm so excited. You know, I've endorsed by President Trump
and Kerry Lake because they know I'm a strong fighter.
I don't back down from this corruption. So when I
go to Washington, DC, it's going to be one of
my top priorities. But my race is July thirtieth, and
when I win my primary, it's a very Republican district.
I'm going to make sure we recapture the Senate by
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getting Carry Lake elected, and we take back the White
House by getting President Trump elected. Because this is a
do or dielection, everybody recognizes it. And Arizona, You're right,
it was the closest state in the country and now
it's being headed by these Democrats and unfortunately some of
these weak made Republicans who don't want to acknowledge what's happening.
But look at just yesterday in Texas, a judge literally
just ordered a new election for twenty twenty two. I
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don't know if you saw that, but you know, people
are starting to take election integrity much more seriously now,
and I think that's a good thing. We have to
really focus on it when we get to Washington, DC.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
AB Appreciate the time. Two hundred and eighty votes. I
can't even imagine what that's like. We're rooting for you
guys all to take back Arizona, flip it back a
red and help to restore some sanity in the country.
Appreciate the time.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
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Speaker 1 (28:24):
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(30:12):
of you to go check out the podcast. Make sure
you don't miss a single moment. You heard from Tulcy
Gabbert at the start of this hour, a lot of
reaction rolling into that the potential of her being a
vice presidential choice. I think many of you will enjoy
that discussion. And then you just heard from Abe Hammiday,
who I am trying to eventually pronounce his name correctly,
(30:33):
and that ties in with a VIP email from Sharon.
I get after Buck about this all the time. This
is Sharon, but you do it too. I don't even know.
I haven't even gotten into what she's going to say.
They just send it to me. I'm like Biden. If
they can put it in front of me, I'll read it.
Sharon's email. The minute you draw attention to the great
transition you've just made, it's broken. Can't you just take
(30:56):
personal satisfaction in your accomplishment without making sure everyone sees it?
By golly, just as bad as your pronunciations now see,
I appreciate the email, Sharon. Some transitions are so crazily
apparent that I feel like you have to draw attention
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to the transition. If it's totally seamless, you don't have
to draw attention to it. But when it's too self
evidently radio. And I'll give you an example. When I
first started in radio, I hate clickbait. I hate teasing,
and you'll probably notice on this show. In the radio
(31:40):
business they tell you as you go to break, you're
supposed to.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Tease the audience to captivate you.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
And in sports talk radio they would always say, you know,
you need to tell people that there's real news that
you're gonna have for them when you come back. And
my answer was that would infuriate me as a listener.
If you've got information, give it to me. You can
tell me greater context about it. On the other side.
But if I say, when we come back, you're not
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gonna believe who just got kicked out of the game,
You'll be like, why didn't you just tell me who
got kicked out of the game, and then you can
tell me the details of it. See, I do radio
as if I were a listener. My goal is to
make some of you. Be driving around in your car.
(32:30):
The nicest thing you can say to me is I
stayed in my car when I got to my destination
because I wanted to hear what was gonna happen next
to me. That's the ultimate endorsement that you can give
anybody in radio. People come up to me and they say, Hey,
you were interviewing so and so, or you were discussing
(32:52):
something and you told us you were gonna talk about
it more than you came back, and I wanted to
know what you were gonna say so bad that I
set in the parking lot of a shopping center that
you were going to. Or you driving home from work
and you stayed in your driveway rather than get out
of your car because you wanted to hear what was
gonna happen next. That to me is great radio, because
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I've done that. Sometimes as a listener, I'm saying, man,
I don't even want to get out of the car.
I've gotta hear what's gonna happen next. So sometimes when
the transitions are too radio like, I think as a listener,
I would like to have that made fun of. So
it's not really actually bragging on the transition. It's actually
(33:36):
making fun of the idea that you're going to have
a transition. It feels very radio. So you'll never really
hear Buck or Me say coming up next.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
You're not gonna.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Believe what just happened. Just tell me tell me what
just happened. I don't need you to tease it. So anyway,
that's that analysis. And I gotta tell you a lot
of great calls, a lot of interesting discussion, and that's
why I would encourage you to go check out the
check out the podcast and listen to what Harrison Buker said.
(34:12):
And we put in a request Kansasite Chiefs Kicker about family,
about the challenges that come with raising children, and what
I think is so important to kind of put a
capstone on our discussion in our conversation that we've had
throughout the course of the show a lot of fun
today is there isn't always one right answer for every family.
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You know, the best coaches out there, they don't treat
every player the exact same. You might have an overall
framework of rules and those are important to apply, but
you can't reach every player the same way. Some are
more emotional, some are less emotional. A great coach figures
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out how to motivate everyone and understands that the same
motivation that works for one player might not work for
the other. So whenever someone says and I think this
is so important in our society, Harrison Bucker was doing
a commencement address. He's telling that audience, Hey, here's what's
worked for me in my life. Here's what's worked for.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Me and my family.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Here's the advice that I would give you as you
go out into the world, based on the life experience
that I've had. You don't have to take everybody's advice,
and you don't have to presume that if you make
a decision different than someone else advises, that somehow that
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is a personal attack upon you. We live in this
world now where every time somebody says anything, you have
to feel. People out there feel compelled as if they
have to act. Harrison Butker said, for his family, his
wife staying home and being a homemaker has been incredible.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
He's so proud of her. He started to cry while
talking about it.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Almost and yet that doesn't mean that that has to
be your family's experience. But I just want all of
you to think about Harrison Butker, who cried while talking
about basically how much his wife and her sacrifice has
meant to his family, is getting criticized more than he
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would have if he had beaten his wife. And what
does that say about us that society is angrier at
Harrison Butcker for the words that he shared than they
would be for a player actually putting his hands on
his wife and hitting her. That's a sign of how
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broken we are in society. Words are not as bad
as actions.
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. As we were rolling
through the third hour of the program. Buck'll be back tomorrow,
he's traveling. We have a photo shoot. Don't even get
me started on the three hour photo shoot that we have.
I didn't pick out my clothes. I wonder if Buck
picked out his. My wife doesn't trust me to pick
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out my own clothes to get my photos taken. So
that probably gives you a good sense of my fashion sense.
As I'm sitting here in a T shirt and shorts
doing the show, Tulci Gabbert joins us. Now, Tulsi, do
you pick out your own clothes for photo shoots or
do you have a stylist? Do you think you have
good style? My wife has no faith in my style.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm laughing as I was hearing you say that I
don't have a stylist, But generally, if I'm doing something
fancy like that, I will ask my husband, and I
trust his case far more than I trust my own.
I'm sitting here in workout clothes as I'm talking to
you today, so we're good.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
So let me ask you this, how long have you
been married.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
We just celebrated our ninth anniversary.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Congratulations, We're about to celebrate twenty. My wife for twenty
years has asked me what should I wear to an event?
And for twenty years I've had no idea what to
tell her. Does does your husband give you good advice
on what to wear new events? I mean, it's actually
kind of curious because you have so many formal events
I would imagine and things to go to, like the
whole concept of what to wear to things for women,
(01:26):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It's a real problem. It's a real problem.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I am of the mindset that in a you know,
in a twenty four hour period, and maybe you can relate.
We have a lot of decisions to make just in
the course of a day everything you know, what am
I gonna have for breakfast? Or what to far more
serious things, and so for me, I like to minimize
the decisions about what I wear to be as simple
as possible as why. One of one of the reasons
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why when I'm on army duty in uniform like that
is that is the easiest thing. So I just I
keep it very simple. So if I have to break
out of my normal rotation of three suits or blazers
that I use. I do ask my husband. He has
great tastes in just being able to tell like I
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don't know. He has never steered me wrong. He's a cinematographer,
he's a musician, so he uses a different side of
the brain than I do. And it's always you know,
I just go for clean, classy and simple, and he
is on the mark anytime I have any question at all.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Tulsea Gabbert always finally dressed for the per appropriate thanks
to her husband having great taste.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
All right, let's dive into this.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
CBS News supposedly VP debate July twenty third August thirteenth.
They haven't set a date officially yet. How bad do
you think you would massacre Kamala Harris if you got
the opportunity to go head to head against her in
a vice presidential debate? And how much, based on your
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experience in twenty twenty race, would you relish that opportunity?
Be honest, is there anybody you would rather eviscerate in
a debate than Kamala Harris?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
You know I'm not one to hold personal grudges. However,
I can say based on the experience I had in
our interaction on a debate stage in twenty twenty, and
how surprised I was that her lack of preparedness to
address her own record that she was running on during
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her presidential campaign. She was proud of her record, and
yet asking her some very simple questions about that record
completely blew her cover and showed how ill prepared she was,
and that has only been reaffirmed throughout her tenure as
vice president. So I would love to have the opportunity
to go toe to tode with her on a debate
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stage that there is not a lack of material to
address given the substance of the failure of both President
Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris in their positions.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Doesn't it speak to how bad she is that despite
the fact that Joe Biden is objectively I think it's
fair to say, the worst president in most of our lives,
they are terrified at eighty two year old Joe Biden
stepping down because it would mean they would have to
elevate Kamala Harris, who has managed to somehow be worse
(04:26):
than Joe Biden despite the fact that he's the worst
president ever. I mean that really kind of sums up
the awfulness of their combination, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It does, and it point it points to the lack
of judgment obviously in President Biden knows around him. For
him to make a decision that he stated from the
outset would be purely based on identity politics reveals the
failure of that whole that whole premise. I think the
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other thing that just came to mind, given their identity
politics is is I know this because it's the excuse
Kamala Harris uses every time anyone in the media dares
to point out her failures and her lack of preparedness,
she says, well, you know they are racist or they
are sexist. If I am going toe to toe with
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her as a quote unquote woman of color on the
debate stage, I don't know how she uses that as
an excuse to cover up her inadequacy and in her
lack of qualification to serve in the current position that
she's in and to be literally one breath away from
the presidency.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
We're talking to Tulsea Gabbard, four term congresswoman, combat veteran
currently serving as a lieutenant colonel in the US Army Reserve,
and she has a best selling book for Love of Country,
which you'd encourage you guys to go check out Tulsea.
You grew up in Hawaii. I believe you are a
big surfer. I think we've talked about this before. Would
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you have ever believed that men would be able to
identify as women and compete in surfing championships to win
women surfing championships as a woman who has grown up
surfing all over Hawaii? If you and I are around
the same age, if I had told you that was
going to happen in two thousand and three, two thousand
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and four, twenty years ago, I think you would have
told me that I was crazy, and maybe I would
have agreed to make that argument. But now it's Democrat
standard orthodoxy. How do we get here?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
It is? It's literal insanity, and I dedicate a whole
chapter in my book specifically to this topic, both because
of what the consequence is. I've spoken with a few
of the women who are currently on the World Surfing
Circuit tour and then expressing their frustrations because not only
is it completely unfair, there are two different divisions for
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a reason, the physical capability of male surfers to be
able to paddle into some of the biggest waves in
the world is just different from the women. These women
are excellent beyond you know, I'm like I'm like in
kindergarten as a surfer compared to what these women are
doing and dominating around the world. However, they are different
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for a reason, and if they speak up about it,
they will immediately see their sponsorships canceled and perhaps be
kicked off the tour. We see this because it happened
to Bethany Hamilton. Yea, she had her arm bit off
as a child, and so as a one armed surfing
woman she is still going out and competing and doing
things that I define.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Let me pause here for a moment with you, because
I want the Bethany Hamilton's story to me is so amazing.
If I ever got attacked by a shark, because I
think that's how she lost her arm right as a surfer,
she was attacked by a shark.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
If a shark ever bid.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Me, if I had the tiniest little cut, ever, I'm
not sure I would ever go in the ocean again.
Can you imagine the bravery that it takes to lose
an arm? To a show and then get better and
go back out into the ocean with only one arm
to try to catch waves. I mean to me, that
is a bravery that's unparalleled in terms of athletics. And
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she's speaking out and saying, hey, there's a big difference
between men and women. And it's like she's not even
being paid attention to by many people.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
She's not, and worse, she's being retaliate against. And you're
absolutely right. I mean her courage and bravery as she
was healing from you know, the shark bit off her
arm very close to her shoulder, so there's nothing there
really to work with. She doesn't use a prosthetic when
she's paddling. I don't even know if that's a viable thing.
But she was eager. I think she was twelve years
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old when this happened. She was eager. It's amazing in
the water to pursue her passion and really what I
respect in her and her story. It's powerful for so
many reasons. But as you look at the courage she
exhibited them, and you look at the courage she exhibits
now as a mom of I think three kids now
competing in incredible waves around the world when she just
(09:04):
stood up and said men should not be competing against
women in surfing. Her decades long sponsor immediately canceled their
sponsorship for her, which is a way to earn her
livelihood to help support her family. And there's a thing
on International Women's Day that's become a tradition in surfing
where the male surfers, as they're competing, they choose the
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name of a woman they admire and put it on
their jersey. In these past couple of years, multiple male
competitors chose Bethany Hamilton as the woman they most admire.
And after Bethany Hamilton made that statement, the World Surf
League would not allow her name on these men's jersey.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Unbelievable, Like four or five.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Of them wanted to feature her, admire her, applaud her,
champion her, and they said, no, you are not allowed
to have this woman, this specific woman's name on your jersey.
I give for so much credit because she is continuing
to stand up and speak out for free speech and
for equality for women and girls and protecting women and
girls in surfing, in all sports. And I hope that
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more women are willing to do the same and men
for that matter.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I think this is important.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I think I asked you this the last time you
were on your in consideration potentially to be vice president
or to be involved in the cabinet. You and I
have a similar political evolution. You were a Democrat. I
voted for Democrats, I worked for Democrats, and then I
finally just looked around, starting about six seven years ago
in real earnest and said, Democrats have lost their minds.
(10:42):
And I haven't really changed. I still believe pretty much
the same thing I always have, but I'm now considered
to be a right winger. And as I talked earlier,
people say, oh, I'm super controversial because I say things like,
you know, men's sports should only be made up of men,
and women's sports should only be made up of women.
I think there are tens of millions of people out there,
like you and me, who are persuadable to recognize that
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things are broken in this country. They need to be fixed,
and much of the breaking is being done by the
left wing in this country. How many people do you
think are out there persuadable and how do you think
they respond to you when you make that argument?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Oh gosh, I mean millions to tens of millions of
people at a minimum. You know, my evidence is purely
anecdotal at this point. But I live out of a suitcase,
and I travel across the country, and I meet people
and hear from people every single day who say the
same thing that you just said, who resonate deeply with
my experience, in your experience, who are now being called
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conservatives or right wing Republicans simply for standing up and
stating what is obvious in objective truth of biology, between
the differences between a man and a woman standing up
and saying that the government should not be censoring speech.
Free speech is free speech in America. That the government
shouldn't be weaponizing its institutions against its political opponents. That
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our streets should be safe, and our police should be
allowed to do their jobs, our borders should be secure.
These things are not radical ideas, They are fundamentally American ideals.
And I specifically focused in my books about each chapter
dedicated to one of these major fundamental principles. And this
(12:29):
is where I see hope and opportunity in this election,
and where I've experienced my ability to connect with people
and let them know, hey, it's not only okay for
you to walk away from the craziness of the Democratic Party.
But we must seize this moment as Americans and fulfill
our responsibility as citizens to save our country and to
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defend our freedom and make sure we send President Biden
and Kamala Harris packing on election day.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Tulseie, you not only managed to write a best selling book,
you did it without bragging about killing a puppy or
meeting Kim Jong un. Congratulations, thank you, We'll talk to
you again soon. That is Tulsi Gabbard. And yeah, she
hasn't met Kim Jong un, but also she hasn't killed
a puppy. It's really kind of amazing, and she's got
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Speaker 1 (14:43):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you. Hanging out with us. Buck is traveling. You'll
be back with me tomorrow. We've got a huge, huge
photo shoot, which you just heard me mention with I
hate photo I'm gonna be honest with you. I really
hate getting my picture taken. I always joke that I
lead the nation in being on the road for college
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football the number of guys who ask pretty girls to
take a photo of them with me. And the girls
are not used to taking pictures of their boyfriends, of
their husbands. They're the pretty ones, and they're like standing
there with the phone and they have no idea who
I am, and they're like, why why is my husband
(15:27):
or my boyfriend running over with this random bearded guy
that I've never seen before.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Who is this dude? Why does he want a picture?
He never asked me for pictures. That's me.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
But I hate getting my picture taken. But if you
asked me to paint a picture, and that's what we
call an incredible transition in the radio business. You asked
me to paint a picture of pure evisceration and destruction.
Tulsie Cat Gabbard in a vice presidential debate against Kamala
Harris would be pure destruction Now, I'm not saying Trump's
(15:59):
gonna pick Tulsie. I'm not even sure where she is
on the list. I still think Tim Scott, in my opinion,
is the most likely selection that.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
He's going to make.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
But if you told me Clay picks someone just for
this matchup, just for the vice presidential debate, who you think?
And there are a lot of people that I think
could do it, but who could do it the best
to just we've already seen her do it once, but
one on one to just end Kamala Harris. I think
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Tulsa Gabbard could do it. I really do, because, as
she pointed out, all Kamala really has is falling back
on I'm a black woman. It's racist and sexist for
anybody to question anything that I said. I mean, the
only reason she has a career is because she's a
black woman. So it's both shield and sword. You can't
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mention her race or sex, but that is why she
has all of her power is because of her race
and sex. And I think Tulca Gabbard would just verbally
slay her. I don't think it would be remotely close.
And can we mention the Bethany Hamilton thing? Can you
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imagine if a shark bit your arm off and then
you went right back out into the ocean. I'm not
sure there's anyone in all of sports that has ever
been braver than that.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I said it to Telson, but I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
If a shark grazed me and drew blood from me,
I don't know that I would ever.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Go into the ocean again.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
If a shark bit my arm off, I can guarant
damn t you I would never get in the ocean again.
I'm not sure i'd get in a swimming pool again.
That's how scared of water I would be. She's the
best women surfer in the world, and they won't even
let men honor her because she had the audacity to
say something quite true, much like Harrison Butker, Hey, there's
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a difference between men and women, and we should and
allow men to compete in women's sports.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I mean, just think about how crazy that is.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of True.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We have now to Arizona
right now, where we're going to be joined right now
by Abe Hammada, who is running for Congress out in Arizona,
battleground state. And Abe, I want to start with this you.
I'm going to get into the Attorney General of Arizona
race with you here in a sec But first you
were a prosecutor. I'm sure you've been paying some attention
(19:20):
to the Trump case in New York City that Alvin
Bragg brought as a prosecutor. How would you analyze the
case so far from your perspective.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
You're gonna be with you, Well, if you look at this,
you know, people always ask me about my legal analysis
on this case, and quite frankly, it's it's kind of
difficult to do that because I think all of us
can recognize what is happening. It's a political witch hunty
case involved, you know, federal issues of election law that
was declined way back in twenty seventeen. But Alvin Bragg
(19:53):
what he did he brought the the third highest ranking
member of the Department of Justice to be this prosecutor
on this So from a I'm a former prosecutor Clay,
and I am ashamed of the legal system. And if
you're looking, it's not just in New York with this
one case. You see Letitia James, Fanny Willis, you have
Chris May's out here in Arizona. Then you got Jack Smith.
(20:13):
And what really concerns me is these are attorneys who
are in their forties, fifties, and sixties who are this
radicalized with this Mark societeology. What concerns me is this
new crop that's coming out of the universities, how committed
they are going to be to destroying our country in
the rule of law. So you know, this is this
is why Trump passed to win. And I know the
jury pool is very heavily favored in terms of the prosecution,
(20:36):
just because it was overwhelmingly for Joe Biden. But if
you look at Michael Cohen's testimony, he's a convicted liar
multiple times. And I think the defense is doing an
excellent job on it. But you know, it's it's hard,
but it's stacked against you so much. But I you know,
we have to pray and hope that the jury does
the right thing. But I think everybody, at least everybody
watching this, if they've seen any trials of this case,
(20:58):
they're they're looking at this as a witch hunting. I
think has only helped Trump in his election prospects.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I don't want you to dodge this because you're a politician,
and politicians are good at dodging questions. This is gonna
be maybe the most difficult question you get this whole campaign.
You went to Arizona State undergrad, you went to the
University of Arizona for law school. Who do you root
for when Arizona and Arizona State play and a tie?
And by the way, a tie is not an acceptable
(21:24):
answer at all, sir, No.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I'm brutally honest.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Well, it depends which sport. My brother in law, he
was actually an NBA champion who played at ASU, Jeff Ayers,
So you know, with basketball it's probably ASU. But you know,
typically you of Baide does a lot better, but football
attends to be U of Bana. It really depends on
which sport it is. But I had a good time
at both schools.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I saw the by the way, that is the typical
politician answer. Well, in football one thing, basketball another, so
both sides can be happy and angry simultaneously. I'm sure
you saw the video of the ASU frat guys clearing
up the Palestine protests and it went super viral. Intended
to be a negative, but a lot of people were like, hey,
good for those guys. Would you have believed when you
(22:08):
were at ASU and you were at the U of
A that it would ever get to the point where
Jewish students didn't feel comfortable walking around campus.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
No, and I think that's what's so scary right now, Clay,
is how how aggressively Marxists are. And I've always been saying,
what it's kind of an unusual alliance that's happening right now.
Right you see these I mean, these people have purple hair,
pink hair, they don't know what gender they are. They're
flying this LGBTQ flag along with hezbolas flags and Palestinian flag,
which is unusual, right, But this is what Marxism is.
(22:41):
It's stilled as contradictions. They're using the universities as their
training camps, they're using the media as their propaganda arm,
and they're using radical Islamis b Lem and Antifa as
their military wing. So you know, in combination of all
those three things, it's a recipe for disaster. And what
you know, I applaud ASU and U of A has
been cracking down a lot more aggress to believe in
other schools. And if you saw the frat boys at ASU,
(23:04):
there was almost sanctioned by the university. Actually the police,
the undercover police are basically telling them, hey, go do
the go do the dirty work for us. So I'm
it's good to see that strong people you know, courage
is contagious, Clay, and I think that's what's important. We
have to stand for truth. We have to protect you know,
these you know we keep saying Jewishes, but these are Americans, Shuits,
(23:24):
these are our fellow Americans. And imagine if the the
same was in reverse where you saw people in his
jabs not allowed to go to campus classrooms. You know,
everybody when being up war. So we have to we
have to be fair. We have to, you know, protect
our Jewish American students. And you know in Congress what
I want to do. I want to start going after
the universities. They're taking all this money from Qatar, China,
(23:46):
the Emirates, and that's the problem right now, is that
our universities are captured by foreign countries.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
We're talking to Abe. I'm gonna get you right now.
Your name correctly here, Hammaday. You can correct me if
I'm mispronouncing one of the things that I do on
the show.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
All the time.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Abe has mispronounced everybody's name. I think I have the
worst phonetics on the planet. So hopefully I'm getting that right.
I want you to dive into because you know better
than anybody what's going on in Arizona. I'm sitting here
in Tennessee. Buck is usually down in Florida, and I'm
concerned that in twenty twenty four, the election's gonna come
down to a few thousand votes in Arizona. And we
(24:22):
saw what happened in twenty twenty where it felt like
it took a month to figure out what the vote
tally was going to be. You know better than anybody,
I would say, almost in the entire country in twenty
twenty two. You can tell the audience that may not
be aware how minimal the gap was between you being
the Attorney general of Arizona and you not and all
of the issues, particularly Americopa County, but certainly in other
(24:46):
parts of Arizona as well. Should we non Arizonas but
I'm sure Arizonas certainly want this as well. But for
people outside, have you guys fixed the election related issues?
Are you confident that in twenty twenty four we talked
to carry a couple days ago, you know this tell
us your attorney general experience in that race and what happened,
(25:07):
and should we be confident at all in the process
in Arizona.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Yeah, Well, that's a great question, and you're pronouncing my
name correctly, Clay, and I don't have an easy name
like you. At two first names.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I've actually got three Richard, Clay, Travis. And yes, that
causes its own issues, but yeah, tell us about the
attorney general process.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Absolutely. So in twenty twenty two here in Arizona, we
all saw what happened with those machines going down. Ultimately,
you know, I supposedly lost my race by two hundred
and eighty votes out of two point five million, the
closest race in Arizona history, Clay. And there's still nine
thousand uncounted ballots from election day. And what's interesting about
that is a lot of these ballots that are not
(25:48):
counted are actually legitimate ballots. One of them is a
husband of a state senator who's an Army veteran for
thirty years. Imagine his vote did not count, it was counted,
they classified as a provisional ballot. So and we overwhelmingly
one election day votes. So that's why those machines were targeted.
I believe they were targeted, and they went down in
my congressional district that I'm running, and it was hit
the hardest and it was a very Republican area with
(26:10):
the most amount of seniors in the entire state, and
those you know, those people can't wait in line for
that low And I tell people that I am not
confident about what's going to happen. I'm only confident that
me and Terry Lake have been exposing all of this
here in Arizona. But unfortunately, the same people who ran
twenty twenty, in twenty twenty two in Arizona are still
in charge. However, I think a lot of these lawsuits,
(26:32):
you know, there has been good momentum with it. We
have a strong RNC chairwoman, We have a strong Arizona
Republican Party chairwoman who's excellent on election integrity. So at
least we're vigilant now, but we have to be guarded,
of course. But you know, with President Trump, I think
they're worried right now. Clay, in twenty twenty, the biggest
difference was there wasn't this rise of third parties. If
(26:53):
you remember, the Green Party was not on the ballot,
RFK Junior was on about So now you have this
combination of all these third parts. So I think it
becomes more difficult for the left to positively cheat in
this election. I tell folks, you know, how they're doing,
how they're rigging our elections. It's not just the voter roles,
it's not just the machines with the you know, going
down death by a thousand cuts. And that's something that
(27:16):
I've learned over the past two years, and that's why
I'm so excited. You know, I've endorsed by President Trump
and Kerry Lake because they know I'm a strong fighter.
I don't back down from this corruption. So when I
go to Washington, DC, it's going to be one of
my top priorities. But my race is July thirtieth, and
when I win my primary, it's a very Republican district.
I'm going to make sure we recapture the Senate by
(27:37):
getting Carry Lake elected, and we take back the White
House by getting President Trump elected. Because this is a
do or dielection, everybody recognizes it. And Arizona, You're right,
it was the closest state in the country and now
it's being headed by these Democrats and unfortunately some of
these weak made Republicans who don't want to acknowledge what's happening.
But look at just yesterday in Texas, a judge literally
just ordered a new election for twenty twenty two. I
(28:00):
don't know if you saw that, but you know, people
are starting to take election integrity much more seriously now,
and I think that's a good thing. We have to
really focus on it when we get to Washington, DC.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
AB Appreciate the time. Two hundred and eighty votes. I
can't even imagine what that's like. We're rooting for you
guys all to take back Arizona, flip it back a
red and help to restore some sanity in the country.
Appreciate the time.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Thanks so much, Clay.
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(30:12):
of you to go check out the podcast. Make sure
you don't miss a single moment. You heard from Tulcy
Gabbert at the start of this hour, a lot of
reaction rolling into that the potential of her being a
vice presidential choice. I think many of you will enjoy
that discussion. And then you just heard from Abe Hammiday,
who I am trying to eventually pronounce his name correctly,
(30:33):
and that ties in with a VIP email from Sharon.
I get after Buck about this all the time. This
is Sharon, but you do it too. I don't even know.
I haven't even gotten into what she's going to say.
They just send it to me. I'm like Biden. If
they can put it in front of me, I'll read it.
Sharon's email. The minute you draw attention to the great
transition you've just made, it's broken. Can't you just take
(30:56):
personal satisfaction in your accomplishment without making sure everyone sees it?
By golly, just as bad as your pronunciations now see,
I appreciate the email, Sharon. Some transitions are so crazily
apparent that I feel like you have to draw attention
(31:18):
to the transition. If it's totally seamless, you don't have
to draw attention to it. But when it's too self
evidently radio. And I'll give you an example. When I
first started in radio, I hate clickbait. I hate teasing,
and you'll probably notice on this show. In the radio
(31:40):
business they tell you as you go to break, you're
supposed to.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Tease the audience to captivate you.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
And in sports talk radio they would always say, you know,
you need to tell people that there's real news that
you're gonna have for them when you come back. And
my answer was that would infuriate me as a listener.
If you've got information, give it to me. You can
tell me greater context about it. On the other side.
But if I say, when we come back, you're not
(32:10):
gonna believe who just got kicked out of the game,
You'll be like, why didn't you just tell me who
got kicked out of the game, and then you can
tell me the details of it. See, I do radio
as if I were a listener. My goal is to
make some of you. Be driving around in your car.
(32:30):
The nicest thing you can say to me is I
stayed in my car when I got to my destination
because I wanted to hear what was gonna happen next
to me. That's the ultimate endorsement that you can give
anybody in radio. People come up to me and they say, Hey,
you were interviewing so and so, or you were discussing
(32:52):
something and you told us you were gonna talk about
it more than you came back, and I wanted to
know what you were gonna say so bad that I
set in the parking lot of a shopping center that
you were going to. Or you driving home from work
and you stayed in your driveway rather than get out
of your car because you wanted to hear what was
gonna happen next. That to me is great radio, because
(33:14):
I've done that. Sometimes as a listener, I'm saying, man,
I don't even want to get out of the car.
I've gotta hear what's gonna happen next. So sometimes when
the transitions are too radio like, I think as a listener,
I would like to have that made fun of. So
it's not really actually bragging on the transition. It's actually
(33:36):
making fun of the idea that you're going to have
a transition. It feels very radio. So you'll never really
hear Buck or Me say coming up next.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
You're not gonna.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Believe what just happened. Just tell me tell me what
just happened. I don't need you to tease it. So anyway,
that's that analysis. And I gotta tell you a lot
of great calls, a lot of interesting discussion, and that's
why I would encourage you to go check out the
check out the podcast and listen to what Harrison Buker said.
(34:12):
And we put in a request Kansasite Chiefs Kicker about family,
about the challenges that come with raising children, and what
I think is so important to kind of put a
capstone on our discussion in our conversation that we've had
throughout the course of the show a lot of fun
today is there isn't always one right answer for every family.
(34:37):
You know, the best coaches out there, they don't treat
every player the exact same. You might have an overall
framework of rules and those are important to apply, but
you can't reach every player the same way. Some are
more emotional, some are less emotional. A great coach figures
(35:02):
out how to motivate everyone and understands that the same
motivation that works for one player might not work for
the other. So whenever someone says and I think this
is so important in our society, Harrison Bucker was doing
a commencement address. He's telling that audience, Hey, here's what's
worked for me in my life. Here's what's worked for.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Me and my family.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Here's the advice that I would give you as you
go out into the world, based on the life experience
that I've had. You don't have to take everybody's advice,
and you don't have to presume that if you make
a decision different than someone else advises, that somehow that
(35:46):
is a personal attack upon you. We live in this
world now where every time somebody says anything, you have
to feel. People out there feel compelled as if they
have to act. Harrison Butker said, for his family, his
wife staying home and being a homemaker has been incredible.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
He's so proud of her. He started to cry while
talking about it.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Almost and yet that doesn't mean that that has to
be your family's experience. But I just want all of
you to think about Harrison Butker, who cried while talking
about basically how much his wife and her sacrifice has
meant to his family, is getting criticized more than he
(36:30):
would have if he had beaten his wife. And what
does that say about us that society is angrier at
Harrison Butcker for the words that he shared than they
would be for a player actually putting his hands on
his wife and hitting her. That's a sign of how
(36:50):
broken we are in society. Words are not as bad
as actions.
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