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October 10, 2024 26 mins

In this episode, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz discuss various current events, focusing on media ethics, the handling of Kamala Harris' interview, the CBS revolt over a controversial interview with Ta-Nehisi Coates, and the implications of Harris' political strategies during a hurricane. They also delve into the controversies surrounding Doug Emhoff, Kamala Harris' husband, and the inconsistency in media coverage of political figures based on their affiliations. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey guys, and welcome to normally the show with normalish
takes for when the news gets weird. I'm Mary Catherine
Ham and I'm Carol Markoit all's going, Carol, Can I
tell you that I was just bumped from TV, which
is why my makeup if you're watching the video version
looks pretty good. But I was bumped for Governor DeSantis
and Kandy Rice.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
So if you have to be bumped for somebody.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Right, I'll allow it. I'll allow it.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
So my governor's been doing a great job. Actually we
know we'll get into that later on the show, but wow,
really impressive.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
He is an impressive guy. But first up, we have
some we have some problems to diagnose over at CBS.
What's going on, Carol?

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, you know, we were kind of saying that Kamala's
interview with sixty Minutes wasn't a complete disaster. She had
a moment that went viral where she kind of had
a word salad that people didn't really understand what she
was saying. Okay, but in general, I think she was
getting praise for going on an outlet that was somewhat

(01:03):
serious for one serious interview of the week, But then
that clip that's been going viral. CBS went ahead and
altered it in their YouTube channel, and so now we
have this let's play the clip.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
But it seems that Prime Minister Netanyah who is not listening.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Well, Bill, the work that we have done has resulted
in a number of movements in that region by Israel
that were very much prompted by or a result of
many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen

(01:43):
in the region.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
But it seems that Prime Minister Netanyah who is not listening.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
We're not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for
the United States to be clear about where we stand
on the need for this war to end.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Not the same, not the same. And it really says
something about what they think of her. They think that
she can't do it on her own, and they need
to help her. I think that we've gotten to where
that's become a negative for her. This help of her
by the media is not helping her. The moderators at
the debates stepping in and trying to assist her ended

(02:18):
up backfiring. I think Trump is now polling higher than
he was before that. It's a real problem.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah, And the thing is they released a preview clip
of her answer, and then that didn't match the answer
that's in the aired TV version, which obviously more people
see because it's on TV. There's another allegation that the
transcript is different from the preview clip. So whichever one's
the right clip, one of them was altered. And that's

(02:47):
a problem because that is unethical. If you are moving
around people's answers in an interview, and by the way,
doing it to help them or doing it to hurt them,
either one is unethical. Then someone needs to speak up
about that. And I think Bill Whitaker did a very
nice job with the interview and is being undercut by
these shenanigans. Not only shows what they think of Kamala Harris,

(03:10):
but what they think of their audience. That's which is
that they're not treating you.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Well, yeah, I don't think CBS would ever do such
a thing. Would they marry Catherine Well?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Meanwhile, they are dealing with a serious ethical problem quite
openly over at CBS. But it's not this one. No, no, no,
there's a full CBS revolt going on in some Struggle
sessions right now because on an episode of a morning
show on CBS an anchor asked author Tony Heasey Coates,

(03:43):
who's an Atlantic writer. Liberal guy wrote a book called
The Message, which is four essays where he's sort of
Thomas Friedman's himself around the world to different locales and
then tells you comes down from the mountain and tells
you what he's learned. One of the places he went
was the West Bank. So he does a long essay
that's very short on any mentions of Israel's enemies or

(04:06):
any threats to the Jewish people, to almost a ludicrous degree.
So he's got this book out. He goes on CBS
and Tony Dcopil, who I hope I'm pronouncing his name correctly,
asks him some tough questions about the thesis of this essay,
and I think we have about a minute clip of
the two going back and forth about this.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
It has worked for a long time. Very talented, smart guy.
Leave out so much? Why leave out that Israel is
surrounded by countries that want to eliminate it? Why leave
out that Israel deals with terror groups that want to
eliminate it? Why not detail anything of the first and
the second INTI five of the cafe bombings, the bus bombings,
the little kids blown to bits, And is it because

(04:50):
you just don't believe that Israel in any condition has
a right to exist.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well, I would say, in the perspective that you just outlined,
there is no shortage of that perspective in American media.
That's the first thing I would say. I am most
concerned always with those who don't have a voice, with
those who don't have the ability to talk. I have
asked repeatedly in my interviews whether there is a single network,
mainstream organization in America with a Palestinian American bureau chief

(05:21):
or correspondent who actually has a voice to articulate their
part of the world.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Well, the thing is, it's not a perspective.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
What you know, Dakoopel's is saying is fact. Those are facts.
Those are things that have happened, And you could take
issue with a lot of things, but you can't take
issue with the fact that those are facts. And you
know what's interesting is this whole thing that's happening. It's
a very twenty twenty vibes, right like this used to
happen all the time. Somebody would get in trouble for

(05:49):
something entirely normal, and the crowd would jump on it
and it would become a huge story. Happen in a
number of ways at the New York Times. People, we've
moved past that crazy moment. In fact, I think Kamala
Harris's whole campaign is like, don't look over there, It's
all fine now. But CBS is showing that they absolutely haven't.

(06:11):
Major corporations are still in the grip of this woke mania.
So this below average thinker can't be criticized because how
dare you? He's on the right team, I wanted to say,
the Free Press reports quote. Originally, CBS News had invited
a self described mental health expert, DEI strategist and trauma

(06:32):
trainer named doctor Donald Grant to moderate a conversation on
the issue in an all staff meeting on Tuesday. That
plan was scrapped after old social media posts from doctor
Grant's surface, including one where he referred to South Carolina
Senator Tim Scott as Uncle Tim, a reference to Uncle Tom,
and another of him describing a possible second Trump term

(06:54):
as magacide and the death of a nation. End quote.
They thought that would be a good idea, bringing this
guy in to smooth things over. I mean it's very
twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
It is. And just to be clear, because our normal
audience might not be catching the fact that this is
a revolt over what you just heard. The CBS corporate
structure a news organization cannot handle the idea that Tony
asked Tahanisi several hard questions that I don't care which

(07:30):
side of the issue you are on or whether you
agree with either one of them. This is not a
reason for multiple meetings, for therapy, for any discussion of trauma.
No trauma occurred. Did you hear the interview? It's just
an interview. I have had it with the baby people

(07:52):
who actually they're not even baby people. What they are
is people who've realized that this racket works, and we
should stop letting it work. The people inside this organization
who are causing meetings where they are yelling and several
people are in tears. According to the Free Press, adults.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
There are adults, adults and tears over that. Over that
like minor difficult interview. I mean, you know what else
I want to say is that you and I have
both written books. I would have loved oh go on
the substance of my book on CBS. I would have
loved that. Bring me on, let's argue about it. Let's

(08:33):
go be as negative as you want to be, because
I would be ready to defend it. And the fact
that he is so not ready to defend it really
says what kind of interviews he thought he was going
to get. He's like this golden child. I've always thought
he was mid as hell, but you know, and now
there's evidence of that.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
I said the same thing. It's like anyone who's written
a book, or who knows someone who's written a book,
who knows that to get a morning show, lengthy interview
broadcast about your book is like you've made it, man,
And this guy is getting the most elite book rollout
of all time. And yet he's pictured on the New

(09:12):
York Times story reporting about this, of course, following the
Free press in this sort of like pensive pose, as
if we're supposed to think about his suffering. He did
broadcast network interview. It's great, this is good, right exactly,
but this is it's worthy of this much. I mean,

(09:34):
we're several days into this story, and.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Good good, let's be several days into the story. From
my perspective, let's keep the story going because they deserve
all of the shots and criticism that they're getting. This
is a joke. This network is a joke. These two
examples where they edit out Kamala Harris's comments to make
it seem better than it was. And now this this
codees thing. I mean, it's it just is not even close.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Well, And I want to note Meg mccardial brought to
my attention a great side by side because some of
the people's arguments is, hey, it's a morning show. It's
supposed to be nice and fluffy and affirming. Okay, that
is not the case always. And also you should be allowed,
you should be able to defend your thesis regardless, She
points out. Do you remember that Gail King lectured the

(10:21):
father of an eight year old taken into Gaza while
she was still captive, I believe, telling him he needed
to worry about the deaths of the children. I that
was the same show, guys, the same anchors.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah not light, not nice and light no.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
No, but he didn't have like a mid book to sell.
He just had a daughter in captivity.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Right, yeah, Oh wild scene over there at CBS.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Someone rescue Tony met him out of there.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
He's gone to the free press, right, I mean, we
know that that's where this ends up. Right. The free
press is like the home of the canceled liberal and
eventually we'll read all about it there.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Bill Whittaker, Tony, come on down, come over, I think freely.
But can I say they have a whole race and
cultured division at CBS apparently, and they didn't talk with
Tony Dakopole about this and examined his body language during
the interview and his tone, so they have actual thought
police right inside the corporate structure of CBS. I would

(11:27):
just like to say that I will never want to
be successful in this industry to the point that I
am willing to submit to that.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
I that is just Mary kil your body language was
off with that interview.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
How many times did I move my shoulders? And what
does it mean about my inherent bias.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Wild? And you know, I just will finish it up with.
Coats admits that this book is not meant to be
a treatise on the entirety of the conflict between the
Palestinians and Israelis, which good because it's not.

Speaker 6 (11:59):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Coats also one more thing said in a podcast that
basically he did think it was like commandeered by Tony Ducobel,
and that he didn't do Gail and the other anchor
any favors and didn't do them a service. I don't
think Gail needs our help right in anyway. But he

(12:21):
also said that Gail behind the scenes flagged questions she
was going to ask him uh huh and told him
about ly is an ethical violation once again, just asking
hard questions.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Right, Apparently she had let him know what she was
going to ask and she didn't get to ask those questions.
And how dare CBS do this to him?

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Oh Man, Gail and Tanahasey, that's the true victims of
this story. Well, they should be embarrassed, but they're not.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
We'll be right back on normally.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Let's move on to something else one could be embarrassed about,
and that is Kamala Harris's attack on Governor DeSantis while
a Category five hurricane was bearing down on him. I
wrote about this for OutKick today because it really made
me mad, and I think that the fact that it

(13:13):
ended badly for her, which we will explain, is good
because it will deter narcissistic politicians in the future making
hurricanes about themselves. Because it's not great. It's not great.
So what she did was At some point, NBC reported
something about Adsanta's aide saying that they were dodging Kamala
Harris calls, okay, a missed call while someone's working on

(13:37):
a Category five hurricane is not a national news story. Now,
it just means someone's working. Kamala Harris, asked about it, says,
this is irresponsible and selfish.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
To not answer her call.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
No, no, it's a her call. That's after. By the way,
DeSantis had already categorically denied that this happened. It was
just like I've been talking to Biden. I don't know
what they're talking about about. Yeah, I've been working on Florida,
and it became a bit of a national flare up
and sort of the pieces resistance to burying Kamala Harris

(14:14):
on this is that Biden himself spoke up and actually,
let's play a clip of him answering reporter questions.

Speaker 6 (14:22):
The governor of Florida has been cooperative. He says he's
gotten all that he needs. I talked to him again
yesterday and I said, I said, no, you're doing a
great job. Is being all being done?

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Well?

Speaker 6 (14:34):
We thank you for it. And I literally gave my
personal phone number to call, So I don't know. There
was a rough start in some places, but every governor,
every governor from Florida to North Carolina has been fully
cooperative and supportive and acknowledged what this team is doing.
And they're doing an incredible job.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Carol. You know, the kill shot is DeSantis has my
personal number.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
It's so good, it's you know, it definitely is playing
into the theory that Joe Biden is trying to have
Kamala Harris lose. I don't know. I don't know if
that's true or he's just you know, kind of out
of it and doesn't know what he's supposed to be
saying and he's just saying whatever he wants at this point.
But I enjoyed that very much. And why would the

(15:22):
governor of Florida be talking to Kamala Harris like, you know,
DeSantis made this point, but we've had lots of storms.
Kamala Harris has never called him. Suddenly she's like, wait,
I want in on the pictures for this one, and
that's what this is all about.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
No, she's mad that he won't let her cosplay president
and I just want to say, because I've been watching
DeSantis's press conferences and the reason this ticked me off
is because we don't have a lot of public servants
who are really good and demonstrate that they're really good
at this kind of thing, partly because this kind of
thing is extremely hard to do. So went back to

(15:58):
back hurricanes a bit of a Desanta's press conference this morning,
and every time he did a media hit about this
political nonsense, he front loaded it with all of this
because he's doing storm messaging. He went through specific numbers
of linemen coming to the state, shelters for pets, shelters
for disabled people, shelters for people in general, two hundred

(16:19):
k spots evacuating hospitals, dipper removal, VA nursing homes and
how they would be treated and families could stay there,
out of state law enforcement coming to town on star
Uber and starlink, and their offerings to hurricane victims. I mean,
that was like seven minutes of watching him.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
The competency. I just love it so much.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
I like things that work, other things that work, and
Kamala is not working on this issue, and Desantas is
working on it, and disasters will be disasters. By definition,
bad things will happen, but the people who are making
the prep work happen. Let them do their jobs.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
That's right, that's exactly it. I think that it was handled,
you know, beautifully by Dessante's I think that the Biden
comments are icing on that cake. And uh, how much
should stay out of this? It's not good for her either. Again,
find something to talk about that you know about, find
something that really resonates with you. But it's a campaign

(17:22):
about nothing, and it shows in everything that she talks about.
She's not a hurricane expert, she's not, you know, even
a logistics expert. She has never been a governor. She
doesn't know what this is like, you know, stick to
what you know, and I think that would be better
for her.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
I agree. And even if what you know is, for instance,
I don't know, attacking the person you're actually running against, Right,
that's that's good for a campaign. To your point about
the campaign being about nothing, can we can we play
this clip from the view yesterday?

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Well, if anything, would you have done something differently than
President by in during the.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Past four years?

Speaker 4 (18:03):
There is not a thing that comes to mind in
terms of and I've been a part of most of
the decisions that have had impact.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, really, nothing nothing comes to mind. Huh okay, all right,
if that's what you're going with, that's you know, it's
already an ad Yeah. Did she have any ideas on
what those things could be? I just feel like it's
the you made this comment last episode. But she goes
to the deck in her head, and I think that
deck was empty. I don't think she had anything here.

(18:35):
It was like, oh no, don it forgot to fill this.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
So I think, yeah, I think we've gone beyond the
deck problem, right, which is you go to the cards
in your head and you answer a question with whatever
is there. If there's nothing there, you're you have a
larger problem.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
I truly am sort of mystified that when asked what
would you do differently, she looks at the ceiling tiles
as if they will deliver her and then says, not
only is there nothing to change, but I was deeply involved.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
In the decision. But that impact only the ones that
had impact, Mary Catherine. The ones that didn't have impact
wasn't a part of those. She's running as a change agent.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Carol, Right, it's time for change now. There are gracious
ways to answer that question. I argument from some is
like she doesn't want to throw them under the bus.
I mean, she already threw them off the ticket, so
I don't know how much more damage you're going to do, Like, okay, fine,
but there are ways to do that. She hasn't thought
of them, yep.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
And she hasn't brought any daylight between her and the
Biden administration outside of saying she's going to be different? Well,
how are you going to be different? And she just
hasn't done the work, as the people say. She has
not done the work well.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
And she had another chance to answer on Colbert last
night and still came up with nothing. She just said,
I'm not Joe Biden, and I'm also not Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
And also not Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
That's literally what she said. And I guess, you know,
truly for some voters that will be enough, right, But those.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Writers are already in her camp. Who is she appealing
to with that? Who is she appealing to with I'm
not Joe Biden and I'm not Donald Trump. I have
to say, actually, I think that it might even be
better for her at this point to say that, to
say something warm about Biden to really kind of get
his voters, the ones who were going to vote Biden

(20:31):
but are not going to vote for Kamala Harris and
those people exist to bring them over. But instead she's like,
I'm not Joe Biden and I'm not Donald Trump. Like, okay,
you're also not staying Colbert, also not married Catherine Ham.
There's a long list of people who you're not. Tell
us who you.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Are, lady, you are. Yes, that's a good point, and
that's what voters keep asking for.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
We're going to take a short break and come right
back with normally, So in case you missed it, Kamala
Harris's husband is in a bit of a pickle. He
is accused of forcibly slapping an ex girlfriend. She's apparently
told friends at the time this happened. And then there's

(21:11):
a new story out that he was hiring models for
executive assistants roles and he is kind of grouse.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, so, I think the first story we had about
Doug eam Hoff that cut against his role as remaker
of masculinity standards under the future Harris administration, which is
how he sort of touted in media. The first story was,
remember the idea that he left his first wife because
he had impregnated the nanny, as you do, and then

(21:45):
they got a divorce. So that's not great for the
masculinity lecturing, and they didn't they had to confirm that
that was real. And then this story breaks. This is
Daily Mail reporting of out the slap. It is corroborated
by several people who said they told that she told

(22:06):
them at the time that this happened. The slap happened
in public at can Film Festival or calm excuse me. Yes, yes,
one of these friends was on the phone with her
after it happened, getting the report from her. She's not
a named person, but they have photos and hotel receipts

(22:26):
that shows these guys were in the place that her
friends claim this happened at the time, so there's some
evidence here. And then he's named in a twenty nineteen
lawsuit for his boorish and crappy behavior around the office,
like crating comments, including hiring people who maybe don't have
the qualifications for certain jobs, for favoring attractive female assistants

(22:51):
and paralegals, that kind of thing, all the sort of
thing that during the Me too era we were told
was very important and that we should all be talking
about them regardless of evidence.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Right of course. And you know the thing is, this
wouldn't even be that big a deal, or it would
still be a big deal in the wake of ME two,
But it wouldn't be as big a deal if the
media didn't try to sell him as the new man,
the new man who would never flirt with the secretary,
the new man who stands by his woman, the new

(23:28):
man who is comfortable in his masculinity. They try to
shape him as something he very much isn't, Donald Trump
said yesterday. They were saying, he's like a symbol for
all men all over the world. If that were me,
it would be the greatest story in the last five years.
Completely true, it would be. It would be the biggest
story of all time. But the reason this should be

(23:49):
a bigger story and so far is not is because
Doug m Hoff is not the guy that they have
been pretending that he is. That's a giant problem. When
he's the guy also running a lot of things for
his wife's campaign. He's the voice to the Jewish people,
he's the liaison. If he didn't have such a central role,

(24:11):
I'm not sure this would matter as much, but he does,
so it should matter. And the fact that it's not
a bigger story, does it tell what side the media
is on?

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Well, and I'm constantly told and I'm sure you are
as well, that you know I need to take these
things very seriously and that I need to make sure
that I'm consistent about my values, right, And I would
just say that I am. I actually have a rubric
from the me Too era when I had to comment
on these things publicly, where I just have like a
couple of things that what makes this qualify is something
that I should be giving weight too. I know a

(24:44):
lot of journalists didn't bother doing that, but I did.
And it was like, Okay, are there contemporaneous reports, is
their physical evidence that these people were in the same
place at the same time, is there anm and is
there a named accuser? And in a couple of the
dug Imhoff stories, you have like two to three of
four that are checked off, So that, in my book
is something that rises to something we can comment about.

(25:07):
And I apply that to Donald Trump's transgressions as well, right,
Like I can weigh the evidence and talk about these
things publicly but it seems to me that our friends
on the left watch a man of the left do
this and just go that's fine.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Right exactly, They give him a pass. And of course
Kamala is also known for going after Brett Kavanaugh pretty
hard where there was.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
A zero evidence and by the way, countervailing evidence right right.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
One of the accusers of the Brett Kavanaugh thing, I'll
just never get over it, the one that was featured
in the New Yorker, does not even accuse him of anything.
She's like, I think it was him, Like maybe potentially
something happened to me, and I think he did it.
And there's no accusation at all. So a little different
than what's going on here. It's unfortunate that women who

(25:54):
are on the left or associated with men on the
left don't get believed nearly as red as women who
accuse men on the right.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, we love one standard. One standard would be great.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Be normal, that's right. Thank you for joining us on Normally.
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