September 24, 2024 • 21 mins
In the first episode of Normally, hosts Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz discuss the evolving political beliefs of Kamala Harris, the media's role in shaping political narratives, and the double standards present in political discourse. They also delve into the dynamics of a recent cabinet meeting the Jill Biden took over and the accountability of public health officials during the COVID pandemic, highlighting the discrepancies between public messaging and personal behavior. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey guys, and welcome to normally this show with normal
ish takes, but when the news gets weird.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I am Mary Katherine Yam and I'm Carol Markowitz.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
We are excited to be here with you guys. The
thing about Carol and me is that we're normal ish, right, guy.
We got kids, We do grocery shopping, we drive our
own cars, things that a lot of people in the
elite circles do not do. But we pay so much
attention to the news that we thought maybe we could
bring some of that to you guys normally exactly that.
(00:34):
So that's what we planned to do here today. I
think Carol's going to kick us off with a little
bit about what Kamala Harris actually believes. We're going to get.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Right into it today and see if we could figure
that out. Now, Yeah, the round kids, as we recall
a magical time in the year twenty twenty. You see,
the left got to say anything, literally anything, And let
MK get into it further about what Kamala Harris believed then.
(01:04):
But it's a long and crazy list.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So yeah, our friend Mark Tayson at the Washington Post
has put together a helpful list for us, and you
do need a list because there have been so many
changes we have banning the sale of gas powered cars.
In April twenty nineteen, she co sponsored an act that
would eventually get us to the banning of gas powered
vehicles by twenty forty. She wanted to accelerate that model
(01:31):
as part of her twenty nineteen campaign get us there
by twenty thirty five. You know, just very very normal
stuff in a federal ban on fracking. At CNN's twenty
nineteen town hall, we've seen her on tape saying there's
no question I'm in favor of banning fracking, ending private
health insurance. She's also on tape saying that she was
a co sponsor for Bernie Sanders' Medicare for All Act.
(01:55):
She was asked by Jake Tapper at a January twenty
nineteen town hall about it, and she said she would
totally eliminate private insurance. The great Neil new Deal, decriminalizing
illegal border crossings, defunding ice healthcare for illegal immigrants. I
mean it goes on and on, mandatory gun buybacks, and
now I mean, yeah, that stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You forgot my personal favorite sex changes for illegal immigrant prisoners.
You know, so if you're in prison and you're an
illegal immigrant to this country, free sex change for you.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I mean, that one is so wild, though a lot
of people just thought it was fake because it sounded
so crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Right, So they got allowed to be as crazy as
they wanted in twenty twenty, and they got a lot
of cover from the media about it. But now it's
not as cool to be insane anymore. And it's twenty
twenty four, and so now the media is doing a
little bit of a cover job. The New York Times
sends out this email occasionally, and I make the mistake
(02:54):
of reading it. And in the last one they tried
to say that in twenty twenty, here's the quote. Trump's
extremism had radicalized many Democrats in the opposite direction. Progressives,
especially the college graduates whose staff campaigns and think tanks,
wanted to decriminalize border crossings, band fracking, abolish private health insurance,
(03:17):
and defund the police. The party's presidential candidates embraced at
least some of these positions, even though they were never
broadly popular, and they never became popular despite the passionate
arguments that advocates made. Now, in order to do this,
they also have to rewrite what happened in twenty twenty,
which was that Bernie Sanders was going to be the
(03:37):
nominee until the Democratic Party did what the Democratic Party does,
banded together and got rid of him. They made sure
everybody else dropped out. Joe Biden had a clear path,
and that's how it went down. So you have the
situation where she doesn't believe any of that stuff anymore,
we're told, but we don't actually know that, because never
(04:00):
has Kamala Harris come out and said I no longer
hold these beliefs. Instead, we have a whispered network where
an aid off the record tells somebody at the New
York Times or the Washington Post, oh, no, she doesn't
believe that anymore. How we're supposed to just accept that,
especially since one of the candidates running for president didn't
have to go through a primary answer any questions at all.
(04:22):
We don't know what Kamala Harris stands for, and the
media does not want us to find out.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
There's an LA Times piece that addresses this a bit
as well. And again she's getting all this credit for
having abandoned these positions. Let's leave aside the fact that
you know she's a weather vein if in fact she
has abandoned them and become something totally different. But the
La Times piece suggests Harris has long since jettisoned those
(04:50):
positions on healthcare, immigration and fracking. She abandoned her stance
on jailhouse balloting. But the fact is we don't hear
that as you may. In fact, when she center which
is probably the smart thing to do for a general election,
she does it through these aids, some of them already
even named or given anonymity. And when she texts to
(05:11):
the left, she proudly does it herself. I would suggested
that tells us something about her. This La Times piece
also suggests that she's just like a center left lady.
And you know, she allowed the politics of twenty twenty
to sort of subsume her and get her into this
tactical position she shouldn't have been in. She's not center left.
(05:33):
She needs a California Democrat running slightly center to totally
insane California policies occasionally does not make you center left.
That's not a lauderate place.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
And again, are we crazy for wanting a presidential nominee
to tell us what she believes? You know, during the debate,
which I thought was a travesty, I tweeted repeatedly about
the unprofessionalism and the general incompetency of the debate minderators,
and my friend Robert George responded, the moderators are not
the problem. But I have to disagree. I get that
(06:08):
people watch debates as sports. Guilty, I do that definitely. Also,
who can land more blows? Who will be the victor?
But again in an election season where one of the
candidates skip the primary process and has answered hardly any
questions at all, this was a rare moment for the
country to hear from Kamala Harris about what she believes.
(06:29):
That is, what she still believes. We really have no
actual idea now. Stephanie Ruhl was on Bill maher explaining
why that's okay that Kamala Harris isn't giving interviews and
we're wild and crazy for even thinking she should.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Let's roll the clip is we don't know her answer
to anything, okay, answer to everything, and that's why I
would never vote for him, and people should.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Vote for him.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
But people also are expected to have some idea of
what the program is of the person you're suppose to
vote for. You're just not supposed to say, well, you
have to vote for why because X is this, that
and the other. Let's find out a little bit more.
And I don't think it's a lot to ask her
to sit down for a real interview as opposed to
a puff piece in which she describes her feelings of
(07:15):
growing up and operated nice laws.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Then I would just say to that, when you moved
to Nirvana, give me your real estate broker's number and
I'll be your nextural naghbor.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
We don't live there. It's so funny to be a
network host who is against people in power doing probing interviews.
And that is that I don't know far that you got.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I didn't want the interview right. Why wouldn't she say,
I think you're one hundred percent right, and I want
to interview Kamala.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Harris because she's afraid of handicapping Kamala Harris. That's what
it is. Her allegiance to her side politically, which is
the left, does not allow her to give a tough
interview to Kamala Harris because that would endanger the cause.
Journalists against interviews is such an amazing thing we've come
(08:07):
to and I must say there are plenty of my
preferred candidates who don't always perform well in interviews. But
I don't think they should stop doing interviews, right.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I don't want to hide them.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
No, they need to answer questions. People need to see
them perform, and should they fall because of their performances,
That's the game we're playing, That's right.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Last media clip on this or not a clip, but
I'm going to read the Michelle Goldberg of The New
York Times was on Leandrew Sullivan podcast saying, well, Kamala
was triangulating back in twenty nineteen when she ran. Was
she though? Because triangulation is the term associated with Bill Clinton,
it largely means to be non partisan, support the issues
(08:50):
as you see them. But that's not what Kamala did.
She embraced all of the super far left positions of
the moment. I think your point, MK, is so good
about the fact that when she goes left, she tells us,
but when she goes center, somebody else tells us that.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah. You know what's crazy about the twenty twenty thing, too,
is that this is incredible double standard, which is that
in twenty twenty, Kamala Herricks could say without much problem,
that she was going to bail out all these people
rioting in Minneapolis, that police should be defunded, that there
(09:28):
should be health care for illegal immigrants up to and
including transitions here, surgeries, just wild things coming out of
their mouths, all private healthcare gone. You and I were like,
maybe we should open schools, and they were like, that's
that's crazy. Yeah, that's the crazy thing. And that's why
(09:50):
we're making this podcast, because sometimes weird becomes normal and
normal becomes weird. One last thing on this point is
that at this point their campaign, Harrison Walls have managed
to divorce themselves from their own positions, their own records,
and in fact, the current Democratic administration of the United
(10:13):
States of America under Biden Harris. That Walls is saying
this on the campaign trail, this is something else we
can't afford.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
We can't afford four more years of this. He's right,
we cannot afford four more years of this.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's too much. I mean, when you see that, you
understand why tactically it makes sense for them maybe not
to do a ton of interviews, but this is real
through the looking glass messaging. Yeah, and your party is
currently leading now now some of my liberal apologist friends
told me, but he's just referencing Donald Trump. Great, Donald
(10:52):
Trump's not in office.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Speaking of our absent president, there was a cabinet meeting
last week which he did not lead, which is so
who did lead?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
It?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Was it his vice president Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
No, she was also not there. In fact, so the
president was there at the cabinet meeting. Everybody's called together.
It's the first time they've been called together in about
a year, maybe a little under a year, which a
lot of caball meetings and I which a lot of people,
given the condition of the current president, have wondered, Okay,
well who is running things? And by a lot of people,
(11:27):
I mean us, not certainly not the press, no press corps.
But they gather finally after a year, and he's sitting
in the center of the table. But first Lady Jill
Biden is sitting at the head of the table. Doctor
dot excuse me, First lady, doctor Madam Jill Biden is
sitting at the head of the table, and he interros
(11:47):
her very generously, and she talks about her Women's health initiative.
What's striking about this is it's clear that the cabinet
meeting has been called for this, right.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I did not recall anybody voting for her, and.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I watched the entire c Span clip of it to see, Okay,
maybe I'm missing some context here, Perhaps this is not weird,
even though it seems weird. But no, he speaks for
a minute and a half ensuring her. She speaks for
another six to seven minutes about her initiative, and then
a couple reporters yell questions and then they usher everyone
(12:26):
out the door. So it's her for six of the minutes,
him for two. It's an eight minute clip. Now they
may have done other things. Yeah, but does the press
not have any questions about why this cabinet meeting is
finally called and this is the order of the day.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, let's roll that Jill Biden clip. I want to
hear what she had to say.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
We need where the United States continues to be home
to the most cutting edge research in the world, where
everyone can lead healthier lives. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So it's funny about the cabinet meeting because again, this
show is called normally, We're going to try to be normal.
But I have to say that it fueled a lot
of conspiracy theories. It fueled definitely the idea that Joe
Biden is just a figurehead. It fueled the idea that
perhaps the October surprise will be swapping out Biden for
(13:29):
Kamala because he's clearly not in charge anymore. What do
you think of that?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
So?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I've actually thought from the beginning post debate, when everyone
finally admitted that Biden wasn't really up to the task here,
that the constitutionally and morally correct thing to do is
to allow for Kamala Harris to do the job, because
I don't think he's doing it. We have a process
in place whereby you give that power away if you
(13:57):
can't do the job. Given that information, I'm arguing against
interest because I think it would probably helper be elected.
But yeah, but it matters. And if we were in
a position where the president was very clearly at the helm,
it wouldn't bother me. If a first lady's talking for
a few minutes, right, we have a very different situation.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yes, yes, if he was normal and fine and everything
was okay, sure give you a little speech.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Why not not in this situation and the lack of
curiosity again with the press is an issue here because
it is their job to dig into what is happening,
and we are going to hear.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Some appalling stories, perhaps in David Lanhard's New York catch
Up in about a year and a half, about what
went down behind the scenes, and normally you'd want to
hear that while it was happening, because it's important to
the American people.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Right, nobody's gonna have a problem with the fact that
there's going to be tons of books out about this
time at the White House. And the thing that everybody's
going to say to let us know that they're important
is everybody knew. Everybody knew. Everybody knew, not you, not
the media, but everybody knew.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Things everyone knows. We should probably be reporting so that
everyone actually knows them on paper.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
That would be good, right. I feel like I really
I recall just a lot of like Harvey Weinstein, everybody knew,
Like if everybody knew, why didn't anybody say anything?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, we should get everything everybody knew out in the
open more quickly? Shall we move on to Yes we
are still mad? Bro? Yes?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
The final segment, We're going to try to do this
every week. Things that we're still angry about that no
one else seems to care about anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yep. So these are the ones that kind of go
by the wayside in the media cycle but are still
having very serious consequences for people. And one of those
in particular is COVID policies, COVID era policies that I
understand people want to forget about, but I think it's
important to hold people accountable for. And in this case,
(15:59):
there's a New York City COVID zar who is admitted
on a sort of covertly taken video while he was
set up on what he thought was a date, and
he admits to hosting two countum two sex parties in
the year twoenty twenty one, I believe in the summer
(16:23):
fall August and one in the winter. If you'll remember,
we weren't allowed to go to a restaurant at that time,
but the guy who was enforcing that messaging in New
York City, the epicenter, decided that he should host orgies.
And a little bit of content warning on this particular story,
(16:44):
but that's appalling.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, Doctor J. Varma, he was former Senior Advisor for
Public Health to the New York City Mayor's office, and
he was one was in fall twenty twenty one. Was
in winter twenty one. I was in New York during
that time. Restaurants were closed for indoor dining with this
guy is having drug fueled orgies with strangers, and he's
(17:09):
the guy who is giving us direction on what we
should be doing to stay safe. Mary Catherine, if only
you and I had written a thousand articles about let
us have all the sex orgies, yes see.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
That would have been normal. The going to school very strange,
very sindiary. I enjoyed an Atlantic piece on this entitled
public health officials should have been talking about their sex parties?
Yeah the whole time. This is by Kristen Brown, and
it won't surprise you that the important thing about this,
(17:45):
the revealed truth here, is that we should have we
should have empathy for him.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, herd guy, he needs his sex parties.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
He needed his sex parties. And it's funny because she
stumbles on the truth in here, because she she points
out what we were saying at the time, which is
that social science research tells us that public health messaging
wins trust most effect effectively when it leads with empathy,
when leaders show that they understand how people feel and
what they want, rather than barraging them with rules and facts.
(18:18):
You'll notice we got the exact opposite of that at
almost every turn during COVID. There was no cost benefit analysis.
There was no weighing of what really mattered in life
and how much these rules were going to help you.
As one of our friends Fetasy noted on Twitter, people
died alone. Yeah, while this man was hosting parties.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Right and died alone because of his advice. That's, you know,
the craziest part here. And I think the rewrite of
what happened. You know, a lot of the comments on
Twitter were, first of all, why do you care about
something that happened four years ago? Because I don't care
what this guy does now. We could have all the
drug fueled orgies he wants. It was that he having
those drug fueled orgies while my kids could not go
(19:03):
to school. And so one of the comments was also like,
well it was twenty twenty one. Everything was open, Like
twenty twenty one. My kids were eating on the ground
outside in New York City at their public school, sitting
on the ground having to mask up in between bites.
Was he masking up at these parties? Was he masking
up between bites. Mary Catherine, you.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Know, I gotta say that The Atlantic does a heroic
job trying to sort of describe his sex parties as
possibly within the bounds of public health, which is an
amazing thing. They were very safe sex parties. They were
testing before they went to them. So obviously that's very
different from your children eating lunch at school and is
totally fine. But it ends with that. You know, he
(19:44):
should have been talking about this because the end result
may seem hypocritical. Carec may it may, yes, but it's
also relatable. It is relatable, except he was the one
using and advocating for using police power agains the rest
of us having barbecues. Okay, so that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
He also did admit in that undercover video that it
was the teachers' unions keeping the kids out of school,
and the Dublasio wanted the kids back in school, but
just was afraid of the teachers' unions, which I'm glad
he said that. Obviously, you and I knew that was true.
Most people know it's true if they are honest. Randy
(20:23):
Weingarten continues to want to be the hero of the pandemic.
When she was one of the key villains. He admits
that basically. But you know, as I said the whole time,
it wasn't that the unions were so strong, it's that
these politicians were so weak. Bills Ablasio was in his
second term.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
What was he doing.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
He was going to run for the point in zero
one percent chance of being president, and that's why he
needed to keep the unions on his side. Pathetic.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, No, we needed we needed leaders, and we needed
brave leaders, and we did not get them for the
most part. Well we did, and we got people doing
that behind the scenes while they were telling us not
to go to a restaurant. So that's right. And the
other thing is people say, why do you still care
about something from twenty twenty twenty twenty one, because this
guy shouldn't be anywhere near public health in this hue, right,
(21:09):
So keep your eyes open for when he gets another
gig telling you what to do.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Absolutely, thank you so much for listening to normally. We
will be back on Thursday. Please tune in, Please subscribe,
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Hey guys, and welcome to normally this show with normal
ish takes, but when the news gets weird.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I am Mary Katherine Yam and I'm Carol Markowitz.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
We are excited to be here with you guys. The
thing about Carol and me is that we're normal ish, right, guy.
We got kids, We do grocery shopping, we drive our
own cars, things that a lot of people in the
elite circles do not do. But we pay so much
attention to the news that we thought maybe we could
bring some of that to you guys normally exactly that.
(00:34):
So that's what we planned to do here today. I
think Carol's going to kick us off with a little
bit about what Kamala Harris actually believes. We're going to get.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Right into it today and see if we could figure
that out. Now, Yeah, the round kids, as we recall
a magical time in the year twenty twenty. You see,
the left got to say anything, literally anything, And let
MK get into it further about what Kamala Harris believed then.
(01:04):
But it's a long and crazy list.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So yeah, our friend Mark Tayson at the Washington Post
has put together a helpful list for us, and you
do need a list because there have been so many
changes we have banning the sale of gas powered cars.
In April twenty nineteen, she co sponsored an act that
would eventually get us to the banning of gas powered
vehicles by twenty forty. She wanted to accelerate that model
(01:31):
as part of her twenty nineteen campaign get us there
by twenty thirty five. You know, just very very normal
stuff in a federal ban on fracking. At CNN's twenty
nineteen town hall, we've seen her on tape saying there's
no question I'm in favor of banning fracking, ending private
health insurance. She's also on tape saying that she was
a co sponsor for Bernie Sanders' Medicare for All Act.
(01:55):
She was asked by Jake Tapper at a January twenty
nineteen town hall about it, and she said she would
totally eliminate private insurance. The great Neil new Deal, decriminalizing
illegal border crossings, defunding ice healthcare for illegal immigrants. I
mean it goes on and on, mandatory gun buybacks, and
now I mean, yeah, that stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You forgot my personal favorite sex changes for illegal immigrant prisoners.
You know, so if you're in prison and you're an
illegal immigrant to this country, free sex change for you.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I mean, that one is so wild, though a lot
of people just thought it was fake because it sounded
so crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Right, So they got allowed to be as crazy as
they wanted in twenty twenty, and they got a lot
of cover from the media about it. But now it's
not as cool to be insane anymore. And it's twenty
twenty four, and so now the media is doing a
little bit of a cover job. The New York Times
sends out this email occasionally, and I make the mistake
(02:54):
of reading it. And in the last one they tried
to say that in twenty twenty, here's the quote. Trump's
extremism had radicalized many Democrats in the opposite direction. Progressives,
especially the college graduates whose staff campaigns and think tanks,
wanted to decriminalize border crossings, band fracking, abolish private health insurance,
(03:17):
and defund the police. The party's presidential candidates embraced at
least some of these positions, even though they were never
broadly popular, and they never became popular despite the passionate
arguments that advocates made. Now, in order to do this,
they also have to rewrite what happened in twenty twenty,
which was that Bernie Sanders was going to be the
(03:37):
nominee until the Democratic Party did what the Democratic Party does,
banded together and got rid of him. They made sure
everybody else dropped out. Joe Biden had a clear path,
and that's how it went down. So you have the
situation where she doesn't believe any of that stuff anymore,
we're told, but we don't actually know that, because never
(04:00):
has Kamala Harris come out and said I no longer
hold these beliefs. Instead, we have a whispered network where
an aid off the record tells somebody at the New
York Times or the Washington Post, oh, no, she doesn't
believe that anymore. How we're supposed to just accept that,
especially since one of the candidates running for president didn't
have to go through a primary answer any questions at all.
(04:22):
We don't know what Kamala Harris stands for, and the
media does not want us to find out.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
There's an LA Times piece that addresses this a bit
as well. And again she's getting all this credit for
having abandoned these positions. Let's leave aside the fact that
you know she's a weather vein if in fact she
has abandoned them and become something totally different. But the
La Times piece suggests Harris has long since jettisoned those
(04:50):
positions on healthcare, immigration and fracking. She abandoned her stance
on jailhouse balloting. But the fact is we don't hear
that as you may. In fact, when she center which
is probably the smart thing to do for a general election,
she does it through these aids, some of them already
even named or given anonymity. And when she texts to
(05:11):
the left, she proudly does it herself. I would suggested
that tells us something about her. This La Times piece
also suggests that she's just like a center left lady.
And you know, she allowed the politics of twenty twenty
to sort of subsume her and get her into this
tactical position she shouldn't have been in. She's not center left.
(05:33):
She needs a California Democrat running slightly center to totally
insane California policies occasionally does not make you center left.
That's not a lauderate place.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
And again, are we crazy for wanting a presidential nominee
to tell us what she believes? You know, during the debate,
which I thought was a travesty, I tweeted repeatedly about
the unprofessionalism and the general incompetency of the debate minderators,
and my friend Robert George responded, the moderators are not
the problem. But I have to disagree. I get that
(06:08):
people watch debates as sports. Guilty, I do that definitely. Also,
who can land more blows? Who will be the victor?
But again in an election season where one of the
candidates skip the primary process and has answered hardly any
questions at all, this was a rare moment for the
country to hear from Kamala Harris about what she believes.
(06:29):
That is, what she still believes. We really have no
actual idea now. Stephanie Ruhl was on Bill maher explaining
why that's okay that Kamala Harris isn't giving interviews and
we're wild and crazy for even thinking she should.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Let's roll the clip is we don't know her answer
to anything, okay, answer to everything, and that's why I
would never vote for him, and people should.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Vote for him.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
But people also are expected to have some idea of
what the program is of the person you're suppose to
vote for. You're just not supposed to say, well, you
have to vote for why because X is this, that
and the other. Let's find out a little bit more.
And I don't think it's a lot to ask her
to sit down for a real interview as opposed to
a puff piece in which she describes her feelings of
(07:15):
growing up and operated nice laws.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Then I would just say to that, when you moved
to Nirvana, give me your real estate broker's number and
I'll be your nextural naghbor.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
We don't live there. It's so funny to be a
network host who is against people in power doing probing interviews.
And that is that I don't know far that you got.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I didn't want the interview right. Why wouldn't she say,
I think you're one hundred percent right, and I want
to interview Kamala.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Harris because she's afraid of handicapping Kamala Harris. That's what
it is. Her allegiance to her side politically, which is
the left, does not allow her to give a tough
interview to Kamala Harris because that would endanger the cause.
Journalists against interviews is such an amazing thing we've come
(08:07):
to and I must say there are plenty of my
preferred candidates who don't always perform well in interviews. But
I don't think they should stop doing interviews, right.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I don't want to hide them.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
No, they need to answer questions. People need to see
them perform, and should they fall because of their performances,
That's the game we're playing, That's right.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Last media clip on this or not a clip, but
I'm going to read the Michelle Goldberg of The New
York Times was on Leandrew Sullivan podcast saying, well, Kamala
was triangulating back in twenty nineteen when she ran. Was
she though? Because triangulation is the term associated with Bill Clinton,
it largely means to be non partisan, support the issues
(08:50):
as you see them. But that's not what Kamala did.
She embraced all of the super far left positions of
the moment. I think your point, MK, is so good
about the fact that when she goes left, she tells us,
but when she goes center, somebody else tells us that.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah. You know what's crazy about the twenty twenty thing, too,
is that this is incredible double standard, which is that
in twenty twenty, Kamala Herricks could say without much problem,
that she was going to bail out all these people
rioting in Minneapolis, that police should be defunded, that there
(09:28):
should be health care for illegal immigrants up to and
including transitions here, surgeries, just wild things coming out of
their mouths, all private healthcare gone. You and I were like,
maybe we should open schools, and they were like, that's
that's crazy. Yeah, that's the crazy thing. And that's why
(09:50):
we're making this podcast, because sometimes weird becomes normal and
normal becomes weird. One last thing on this point is
that at this point their campaign, Harrison Walls have managed
to divorce themselves from their own positions, their own records,
and in fact, the current Democratic administration of the United
(10:13):
States of America under Biden Harris. That Walls is saying
this on the campaign trail, this is something else we
can't afford.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
We can't afford four more years of this. He's right,
we cannot afford four more years of this.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's too much. I mean, when you see that, you
understand why tactically it makes sense for them maybe not
to do a ton of interviews, but this is real
through the looking glass messaging. Yeah, and your party is
currently leading now now some of my liberal apologist friends
told me, but he's just referencing Donald Trump. Great, Donald
(10:52):
Trump's not in office.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Speaking of our absent president, there was a cabinet meeting
last week which he did not lead, which is so
who did lead?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
It?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Was it his vice president Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
No, she was also not there. In fact, so the
president was there at the cabinet meeting. Everybody's called together.
It's the first time they've been called together in about
a year, maybe a little under a year, which a
lot of caball meetings and I which a lot of people,
given the condition of the current president, have wondered, Okay,
well who is running things? And by a lot of people,
(11:27):
I mean us, not certainly not the press, no press corps.
But they gather finally after a year, and he's sitting
in the center of the table. But first Lady Jill
Biden is sitting at the head of the table. Doctor
dot excuse me, First lady, doctor Madam Jill Biden is
sitting at the head of the table, and he interros
(11:47):
her very generously, and she talks about her Women's health initiative.
What's striking about this is it's clear that the cabinet
meeting has been called for this, right.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I did not recall anybody voting for her, and.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I watched the entire c Span clip of it to see, Okay,
maybe I'm missing some context here, Perhaps this is not weird,
even though it seems weird. But no, he speaks for
a minute and a half ensuring her. She speaks for
another six to seven minutes about her initiative, and then
a couple reporters yell questions and then they usher everyone
(12:26):
out the door. So it's her for six of the minutes,
him for two. It's an eight minute clip. Now they
may have done other things. Yeah, but does the press
not have any questions about why this cabinet meeting is
finally called and this is the order of the day.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, let's roll that Jill Biden clip. I want to
hear what she had to say.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
We need where the United States continues to be home
to the most cutting edge research in the world, where
everyone can lead healthier lives. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So it's funny about the cabinet meeting because again, this
show is called normally, We're going to try to be normal.
But I have to say that it fueled a lot
of conspiracy theories. It fueled definitely the idea that Joe
Biden is just a figurehead. It fueled the idea that
perhaps the October surprise will be swapping out Biden for
(13:29):
Kamala because he's clearly not in charge anymore. What do
you think of that?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
So?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I've actually thought from the beginning post debate, when everyone
finally admitted that Biden wasn't really up to the task here,
that the constitutionally and morally correct thing to do is
to allow for Kamala Harris to do the job, because
I don't think he's doing it. We have a process
in place whereby you give that power away if you
(13:57):
can't do the job. Given that information, I'm arguing against
interest because I think it would probably helper be elected.
But yeah, but it matters. And if we were in
a position where the president was very clearly at the helm,
it wouldn't bother me. If a first lady's talking for
a few minutes, right, we have a very different situation.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yes, yes, if he was normal and fine and everything
was okay, sure give you a little speech.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Why not not in this situation and the lack of
curiosity again with the press is an issue here because
it is their job to dig into what is happening,
and we are going to hear.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Some appalling stories, perhaps in David Lanhard's New York catch
Up in about a year and a half, about what
went down behind the scenes, and normally you'd want to
hear that while it was happening, because it's important to
the American people.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Right, nobody's gonna have a problem with the fact that
there's going to be tons of books out about this
time at the White House. And the thing that everybody's
going to say to let us know that they're important
is everybody knew. Everybody knew. Everybody knew, not you, not
the media, but everybody knew.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Things everyone knows. We should probably be reporting so that
everyone actually knows them on paper.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
That would be good, right. I feel like I really
I recall just a lot of like Harvey Weinstein, everybody knew,
Like if everybody knew, why didn't anybody say anything?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, we should get everything everybody knew out in the
open more quickly? Shall we move on to Yes we
are still mad? Bro? Yes?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
The final segment, We're going to try to do this
every week. Things that we're still angry about that no
one else seems to care about anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yep. So these are the ones that kind of go
by the wayside in the media cycle but are still
having very serious consequences for people. And one of those
in particular is COVID policies, COVID era policies that I
understand people want to forget about, but I think it's
important to hold people accountable for. And in this case,
(15:59):
there's a New York City COVID zar who is admitted
on a sort of covertly taken video while he was
set up on what he thought was a date, and
he admits to hosting two countum two sex parties in
the year twoenty twenty one, I believe in the summer
(16:23):
fall August and one in the winter. If you'll remember,
we weren't allowed to go to a restaurant at that time,
but the guy who was enforcing that messaging in New
York City, the epicenter, decided that he should host orgies.
And a little bit of content warning on this particular story,
(16:44):
but that's appalling.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, Doctor J. Varma, he was former Senior Advisor for
Public Health to the New York City Mayor's office, and
he was one was in fall twenty twenty one. Was
in winter twenty one. I was in New York during
that time. Restaurants were closed for indoor dining with this
guy is having drug fueled orgies with strangers, and he's
(17:09):
the guy who is giving us direction on what we
should be doing to stay safe. Mary Catherine, if only
you and I had written a thousand articles about let
us have all the sex orgies, yes see.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
That would have been normal. The going to school very strange,
very sindiary. I enjoyed an Atlantic piece on this entitled
public health officials should have been talking about their sex parties?
Yeah the whole time. This is by Kristen Brown, and
it won't surprise you that the important thing about this,
(17:45):
the revealed truth here, is that we should have we
should have empathy for him.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, herd guy, he needs his sex parties.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
He needed his sex parties. And it's funny because she
stumbles on the truth in here, because she she points
out what we were saying at the time, which is
that social science research tells us that public health messaging
wins trust most effect effectively when it leads with empathy,
when leaders show that they understand how people feel and
what they want, rather than barraging them with rules and facts.
(18:18):
You'll notice we got the exact opposite of that at
almost every turn during COVID. There was no cost benefit analysis.
There was no weighing of what really mattered in life
and how much these rules were going to help you.
As one of our friends Fetasy noted on Twitter, people
died alone. Yeah, while this man was hosting parties.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Right and died alone because of his advice. That's, you know,
the craziest part here. And I think the rewrite of
what happened. You know, a lot of the comments on
Twitter were, first of all, why do you care about
something that happened four years ago? Because I don't care
what this guy does now. We could have all the
drug fueled orgies he wants. It was that he having
those drug fueled orgies while my kids could not go
(19:03):
to school. And so one of the comments was also like,
well it was twenty twenty one. Everything was open, Like
twenty twenty one. My kids were eating on the ground
outside in New York City at their public school, sitting
on the ground having to mask up in between bites.
Was he masking up at these parties? Was he masking
up between bites. Mary Catherine, you.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Know, I gotta say that The Atlantic does a heroic
job trying to sort of describe his sex parties as
possibly within the bounds of public health, which is an
amazing thing. They were very safe sex parties. They were
testing before they went to them. So obviously that's very
different from your children eating lunch at school and is
totally fine. But it ends with that. You know, he
(19:44):
should have been talking about this because the end result
may seem hypocritical. Carec may it may, yes, but it's
also relatable. It is relatable, except he was the one
using and advocating for using police power agains the rest
of us having barbecues. Okay, so that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
He also did admit in that undercover video that it
was the teachers' unions keeping the kids out of school,
and the Dublasio wanted the kids back in school, but
just was afraid of the teachers' unions, which I'm glad
he said that. Obviously, you and I knew that was true.
Most people know it's true if they are honest. Randy
(20:23):
Weingarten continues to want to be the hero of the pandemic.
When she was one of the key villains. He admits
that basically. But you know, as I said the whole time,
it wasn't that the unions were so strong, it's that
these politicians were so weak. Bills Ablasio was in his
second term.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
What was he doing.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
He was going to run for the point in zero
one percent chance of being president, and that's why he
needed to keep the unions on his side. Pathetic.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, No, we needed we needed leaders, and we needed
brave leaders, and we did not get them for the
most part. Well we did, and we got people doing
that behind the scenes while they were telling us not
to go to a restaurant. So that's right. And the
other thing is people say, why do you still care
about something from twenty twenty twenty twenty one, because this
guy shouldn't be anywhere near public health in this hue, right,
(21:09):
So keep your eyes open for when he gets another
gig telling you what to do.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Absolutely, thank you so much for listening to normally. We
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