June 17, 2025 • 30 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine and Karol discuss the escalating tensions between Israel and Iran, the implications of domestic politics on foreign policy, and the tragic shootings in Minnesota. They also delve into Trump's mixed signals on immigration, the public's response to protests, and a critique of media narratives surrounding Father's Day. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Yes, we are back on nor Show with nor Horse
Takes for whom the news gets weird. I am Mary
Catherine Ham.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
And I'm Carol Markovitz and him Mary Catherine. We are
recording this after another very calm, chill weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Nobody can ever chill, will let us rest, They will not,
And here we are to catch up on just like
you know, yeah, two.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Things, yeah, some things, you know, some things have happened.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
So since we last spoke, Israel has attacked Iran and
it's going very well so far. You know, Israel very
quickly said this is not going to be a quick thing.
After the first attack, they were asked like, is this it?
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They said, this is not even the end of the beginning.
They see this as being war, not just strikes. And
you know, the night that it all went down. So
one of the funnier things about it, about an hour
before the strikes began, Mike Kokabe, who is ambassador to
Israel from the US, tweeted that he would be remaining
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at the embassy in Jerusalem, and everyone was like, why
are you tweeting this at us in the middle of
the night, Mike Hookabe. Yeah, So it was clear it
was happening. Now, I am not a foreign policy expert.
I know this doesn't stop people from pretending they are
on X, but I follow it closely obviously, but I
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could not possibly call myself an expert in the field. However,
that night, the rumor that spread on X was that
Trump didn't know about this, Yeah, knowing absolutely nothing about
what was going on. I responded that, like, obviously, Israel's
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doing this without the United States kind of permission, Yes,
and it was. Trump has said that I ran had
sixty days to reach an agreement. It was day sixty one.
This kind of thing, it just it drives me bananas
because these people have followings on X that say things
that we all know are not true and that we
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can't be true. It really does make me crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So yeah, it's it is frustrating, and the immediate jump
to petty domestic politics, which look, yeah, is part of
my job. Petty domestic politics is what I've spend way
too much of my time on. Right, But in this case,
this is Israel going after an existential threat that frankly,
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if they went nuclear, would affect everyone. Because this is
an insane and awful regime, right, and so to turn
it into like, ooh, they embarrass President Trump as a
sort of domestic politics victory is a silly because it's
not true, and he just sort of like makes you
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look very small because it's not about that. And look,
I don't think that this would have happened under Biden,
because I think Biden would have been saying openly, or
a Harris administration certainly would have been saying openly, oh no, no, no,
you're not allowed to do any of that. Under a
Trump administration, they've talked behind the scenes. And although I
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was worried about Steve Whitkoff making deals shared with the
Iranians because I thought that didn't look like a good idea,
it seems clear to me that they probably look. I
think Trump likes deals. So Steve Witkoff goes in there, like,
we're going to make a deal. Trump's like, maybe we'll
make a deal. But he's serious about the deadline, and
he's serious about backing Israel up if they need to
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do what they need to do. And so he did
the deadline. And here's the thing about passing the deadline
and then making good on a threat is that it
makes you a credible leader. Exactly to those who we
want to be scared of us. So it also means,
by the way, that so many of our friends in
Israel who I want to just send up prayers for
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are in danger, many of them in bomb shelters or
in special parts of their houses to protect them from
Iranian ballistic missiles. But because of the military and intel
successes of Israel, which have been astounding over the past
year or so, fewer of those ballistic missiles are coming
in each time because they are able to target where
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they're coming from and take those out. Amazing.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, there, Iran is in this tough spot where Israel
keeps taking out their launchers every time they launch missiles,
but they can't not launch missiles, so you know, kind
of kind of a tough little spot for them. It's
going wildly well. There have been some deaths in Israel
which are very unfortunate obviously, also so any innocent Iranians
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who are caught up in this. It's really desperately sad.
Iranian people have wanted to get rid of the mulahs
for so long, but hopefully this will be a moment
where that can happen. Even you know, people who have
opposed this attack, like Tucker Carlson, for example, in the
days before the attack happened, he wrote this whole long thing,
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and I'm not going to get into it, but basically
he said, if the Iranians were close to getting a nuke,
the United States would already be at war with them.
Why would we want that? Why would we as Americans
want them to get really close to getting a nuke
and that's when we would go to war with them.
This is a much cleaner, safer situation for Americans. I
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don't understand how any American can oppose Israel doing this
in Iran because it helps us without us having to
have boots on the ground period.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well, and I understand people being concerned. I don't want
to be naive, but I am. There is this special
moment that we are in that because of Israel's incredible successes,
they sort of stood naked before the world. This program
and Iran's various sites didn't have the defenses that they
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would otherwise have, So it seemed like a good opportunity
to add a relatively low cost, just like in general
of consequences and of retaliation, to go ahead and make
a serious dent in their situation. As you say, their
public is not exactly resoundingly behind them. Of course, a
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lot would have to happen before the public rises up
and there's any sort of change. But I just you
don't have to be an expert to think, do I
want Iran to have nukes? And the answer is no.
And the Obama administration's plan for keeping them from nukes
seemed to be paid let them get extremely close to
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nukes and also give them lots of money to get
which I confess I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, never made a lot of sense and didn't think
that was strategy was going to work, and it hasn't.
So Also, Iran has not let in inspectors in a
long time. This idea that they're being so transparent and
oh look at israelis bombing them for no reason is ridiculous.
Iran cannot have a nuclear bomb. President Trump said that,
and we were hoping to get back at the negotiating table.
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We will see, and then he added there are several
people in leadership that will not be coming back, which
is a perfect little Trump is.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
He also said, when asked, like you knows how did
they die? Or they died because they were taken out by,
and he goes, well, they didn't I have COVID, and
I just he is a very funny president.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
He is us.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
He's a very funny president. Apparently, Iran is now signaling
the Wall Street Journal reports that it would like to
de escalate hostilities and result resumed talks over its nuclear programs,
sending messages to Israel and the US via Arab intermediaries.
Middle Eastern and European officials said, oh what changed. I also,
I would like to note every Arab country quietly does
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not want them to have nukes. They are not loud
about it, but they want this result. And they also
have backed up Israel by shooting many things out of
the air headed toward Israel, at least some of those
allied Arab countries. So even though it's like a little
testy over there, they don't want Iran to have a
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nuke either, right, Why would they?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, it makes no sense. We'll be right back on normally.
Other news. This weekend, there was a shooting in Minnesota
where a gunman killed Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman and
her spouse, and he shot two other lawmakers. The gunman
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is Van Spolter, I reported that first, thank you very
much she did.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
If you do not follow at Carol, you should because
she does break some news.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Sometimes I break news. It's very very scary whenever I do.
By the way, I don't recommend it. It's a very
nerve wracking few minutes every time. Where I hope that
I got it right, I haven't correct. I haven't been
wrong yet. I had one time where I said a
jury decision was in and that hadn't become public yet,
but then the jury went back into deliberations, so it
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seemed like I got it wrong. But other than that one,
I'm batting whatever the good batting averages.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Our girl is a good follower. But this terrible situation
is the fifty five year old Democratic leader in the
Minnesota House and her husband. They have children. I believe
he also shot their dog. It's just like the worst story.
He also the suspect also shot allegedly another lawmaker. It's
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unclear exactly what the situation is right now. The Wall
Street Journal is reporting that this guy has really disparate employment,
sort of a very confusing career path ministry. They said
he works with some sort of eye donation company right
now and is also trying to get a security company
off the ground. He apparently has a family, but also
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has roommates in another part of town. They did report
that he has been a preacher and is that specifically
worked with the Democratic Republic of Congo, which is an
interesting choice, and that he is a pro life person
that perhaps there's a list of abortion allies that he
had in his possession. He shoots both of these lawmakers.
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I don't want to get over our skis because that's
what the press always does in these situations and it's
not healthy for anyone. But every single person should be
able to say this is the worst and we want
nothing to do with anyone who agrees with us doing
anything like this, Unlike the Luigi situation, yep, I would
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just like to say that very loudly, right.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
You're not like, well, maybe the right right, like I
wouldn't shoot people, but no, no, this is not doing
that wrong and we don't stand for it on normally.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Also, I would like to note that Senator John Hoffman
sixty and his wife, Yvette, who were also attacked. I
believe Yvette shielded their daughter, like incredibly heroically. There was
a man hunt for this guy. He has been apprehended.
We will know more information. Apparently there's a manifesto. I
don't know if it will be released. Law enforcements seem
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to say not at this point. And also it sounds
like someone that he was caught because someone saw him
on a trail camp. So way to go, hunters. Wow,
we appreciate it happened.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I didn't hear that.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Amazing, that is what I saw this morning. So anyway,
as always, we will be careful with such news unless
someone is on tape and many witnesses saying this is
my motive. I am currently practicing that motive. I don't
like to say that until we're going.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
To give it a minute. That's right, Yeah, we're going
to take a short break and come right back with normally.
In other news, Donald Trump, you know when he's good.
He is very very good. My friend Cliff Asnis, who
is a big opponent of tariffs, after he tweeted this
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after Trump said for those people who say they want peace,
you can't have peace if I Ran has a nuclear weapon.
So for all those wonderful people, you don't want to
do anything about I Ran having a nuclear weapon. That's
not peace. And Cliff Astnes wrote DJT. You know, today
I'm thinking I can live with some tariffs, which is
really where we are on Trump, like he is so good.
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And then other times I just don't understand this man.
And one of those times is these new carve outs
for people who are here illegally and have jobs and
in the farming and hotel and leisure businesses are getting
a carve out to not be deported. And I hate that.
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I hate it. I hate it because there should be
no special carveouts. What about uber eats, what about you know,
any other number of businesses that rely on a class
of people that they don't have to pay minimum wage too,
you know, the people who are very worried about their
their maids and their gardeners and whatever, very very Yeah,
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they're just like, what about my cleaning staff? What about
their people? Right? So I really don't like this at all.
The other thing kind of related to this that he
reversed himself on is made a deal with China, subject
to final approval. But one of the things was we
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agreed Chinese students using our colleges and university, which has
always been good with me. He tweeted. I think that's
a problem. I think it's a real problem that China
can send anyone they want to our universities and we
really don't know who's coming in. And so it ties
really well with the illegal immigration problem because these special
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carve outs do not help us and they don't lead
us to a good place. If you want to have
special workers and special industries, we have worker programs for that,
legal worker programs. We don't just overlook that these industries
have illegal immigrants working there and say, oh, well, they
need those immigrants, and that's just what we're going to
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do here. So Donald Trump Man, I.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Know, well, and once again you're punishing people who obey
the law because it's much more expensive for them to
run their businesses because they're paying people minimum wage. I
love liberals, by the way, where it's like, we have
to have a twenty dollars minimum wage, yeah, which will
crush the actual not black market economy, but for the
gray and black market where people are being paid off
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the books, paying whatever you want two dollars an hour,
that seems fine with us. So it's a little weird
to me. I do think there's a way to achieve
basically not turning everyone off with the mass deportation effort
while also getting done a lot of work, which is
to do what he said he was going to do.
And the beauty and the annoyance about Trump is that
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he'll say a thousand things. You can always say, well,
he said that. But look, prioritizing criminal aliens is very,
very very popular. Do that do targeted pickups? If there
are various industries that are more problematic than others, I
think those are worth sending a signal about it because
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all the other parts of that industry have to go ooh,
should we.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Be doing this exactly?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And I just don't understand what part of the law
has been repealed, right, because to my knowledge none, it's
just still illegal to employ all these people. Yeah. By
the way, I remember the days when like one nanny
scandal would get somebody kicked out of it an administration.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yes, do we even do that anymore? I think, Okay,
we just accept that everybody has a legal immigrant nannies.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
You know, let's keep telling me.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah. I did a border trip last year now, and
one of the things that the agriculture worker that we
spoke to Holmes and agriculture business on the border of
Texas and Mexico was saying he does not hire anyone
who is here legally. But he also has a lot
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of trouble with the guest worker program. They don't have
a good effective guests worker program. He often does not
have enough people. He also the whole idea, you know,
just pay more and you get Americans. He says, well, no,
because you have to live in this rural area where
are grown. And he says he has two Americans who
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come every season to work for him, but it's very rare,
very hard, and he would like to bring in more
legal workers, and he has trouble doing that. And I
don't think exempting farm markers is going to lead us
to having a better guest worker program, which Trump has
mentioned he wanted right he is. He has said he
wants a better guest worker legal program. I think exempting
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these illegal workers in these industries moves us farther away
from that goal.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah. By the way, while we're while we're airing grievances,
I would like to point out that still TikTok should
not exist on American app markets right now according to
the law. However you feel about that law, the law
is not being obeyed and so interesting to me and
actually a good segue into our next topic, because this
is the almost the only thing that Trump is acting
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like a king about. He is not enforcing this TikTok law. Yeah,
the left doesn't care because they really like TikTok, so.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Right doesn't matter. It's fine. Yeah, it's not a king here.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, just want to note that the law is not
being followed on that he keeps saying I'm going to delay,
and there's nothing in the law that says he's allowed
to delay. It just shouldn't be happening.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
We'll be right back on.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Normally, the No Kings rallies happened all around the nation,
reportedly about two thousand different sites. At the same time,
the Army Parade was going on. Army two hundred and
fiftieth Birthday Parade was happening in Washington, d C. I
do want to point out that in my area, I
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ran across some No Kings protesters. They were all boomerirific ladies.
Like I was, like, it's hot outside today, everybody make
sure you hydrate. But we drove past a little crowd
and my kids said, and I don't talk to them
about politics a lot. We talk about civics, but we
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don't talk about politics. Sure, And they asked about this
and they're like, what is that, No Kings, what is happening?
And I said, well, those are people who don't like
Donald Trump and this is their First Amendment right to
protest him and say that they don't like him because
they believe he's acting like a king. And they said,
wasn't he elected in the election, And I said, yes,
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that is a salient point, ladies, that is a very
unboldlike behavior.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Also, kings generally wouldn't allow no King protests on their streets.
Just one of those things you hear about kings. We
also drove by a really small one in Coral Springs, Florida.
They were waving American flags and not blocking traffic, and
I just thought, even our leftists are better in Florida.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, I mean that that may be. The are seemed
to be a short lived little protest near where we were.
I will say it did seem like they might have
gotten a little more patriotic over the past couple of
weeks when they saw how the LA stuff was landing.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Right and good for them, good good, Yeah, we was.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
However, there was one death at a Salt Lake City,
no kings, And methinks that if conservatives gathered in two
thousand gatherings and there were one murder, that that would
be a huge national story, but it's rather small at
any rate. That was a it was a weird situation
where a guy with a rifle showed up, was charging people,
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and a peacekeeper, a designated peacekeeper inside the crowd shot
at the assailant and miss hit a bystander, which is
just terrible. But the guy with the original guy with
the rifle is being charged. So that happened at the parade,
which was supposed to be the fascistic display on the
National Mall, it was actually just an army parade. It
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wasn't a Trump parade. He was there because he's the
commander in chief. It's the two hundred and fiftieth birthday
of the army. This event has actually been planned because
the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary was coming up for
a long time and people knew it. There have been
plans in the work since two thousand twenty three at
least just.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
To do this. Yeah. Yeah, he had very little to
do with this, and yet it was like, look at
the king with his military parade for his birthday, and
it's like, yes, it really wasn't and just he makes
people lose their minds like this. I actually think the
no Kings is very bad branding. I don't think that
they nailed it with this one.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I think they did either. They're usually better at.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
That, so much better. And the pic pussy you know
hat thing in twenty sixteen, way more effective, way more
like striking and lands. Where kind of his weaknesses were,
it was with women, and it was the comments he
made to Billy Bush. They nailed that he's not trying
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to be a king, and I don't know who thinks otherwise.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
So say, his answers to whether people should be concerned
about him being a king are far better than Obama's were,
because Obama would just wax poetic about how he kind
of wished he was but he can't do it, and
I'm sure you could find tape of Trump doing the same.
But when he was just recently asked about it, he
was like, I don't feel like a king, like I
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keep having to check with Mike Johnson I can do.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And also like local district court judges keep stopping him.
So you know, there was that meme going around like
Donald Trump was going to resign from the presidency and
take a really you know, the high power job of district.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
District court judge.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I do want to play just a tiny clip of
the Army two fifty parade, which was I must say,
very cool. Here is the scary, UH military parade. These
guys are marching and you'll hear the horrifying soundtracks. When
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I think fascists, I think John Phillips SUSA. Right.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Also, I should know, I like London does that like
three times a week.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
So oh yeah. In fact, he did it the same
day as US this year. Yes, this landed on Trump's birthday,
but also Flag Day and also the two hundred and
fiftieth birthday of the US Army. I loved that they
did all the different eras of uniforms. I loved it
looked fantastic. The voiceover if you were a history person
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or at all interested in this, was also great because
you're just learning things about the American military while they're
troop in the color as they say in Britain, the
lawmakers are watching Carol. Would you like to guess how
long Trump's speech was at this event?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Oh? You know Trump likes to give the really long speech,
but I feel like the fact that you're asking me
means it didn't go two hours.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
So for the Trump Parade on his birthday, where he's
a king, he gave an eight minute speech.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, he's good, He's very, very good.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
And he also swore in a bunch of officers in
the middle of the parade, or a bunch of new
enlisties and re enlisties at the parade, which is such
a cool thing, except that I joked that he's literally
in the streets of America telling them to obey his orders,
and we're all just blind to this horrific, unprecedented move.
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Of course, that's just the normal oaths that you give
when you're subject to the orders of the commander in
chief in our system. Even MSNBC had to admit at
one point like this doesn't seem like dark or scary.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, they were real worried about it before though. Matt
cover on X tweeted, who knew that principled opposition to
Trump would mean booing the Army's two hundred fiftieth birthday.
If you find yourself booing the Army's birthday, like you've
got some problems.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, it was just nice. All the guys in the
tanks were like smiling and waving at children. They at
one point, I did enjoy this, and I think this
is a Trump era flare that might not have existed otherwise.
When the tanks were coming down the street of different eras,
they would play songs from the different eras. So it
was like inter sandmen and I love some seventies rock.
It was very American. Wow, So just stop overreacting to everything. Man,
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they came to.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Your lips, Mary Catherine, I really would enjoy that. How
did the New York Times handle Father's Day? Okay, speaking
of overreacting. Did they have a very positive message for
fathers on Father's Day?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
You know, they had a daughter write a piece called
what my father gave Me?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
He gave her good things?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Right, oh, contrerel It was a piece called what my
father gave Me, and it was all about how much
she dislikes her father and he's still with us. She
wrote a New York Times article about him, and I'm
just saying, look, parental relationships can be complicated, Okay, I
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understand that. Just find one person in America who loves
their father or stepfather.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Or father in law. I love my father in law,
you know.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Just grandfather even would be a thing you could do.
But they found a person who's like, I want to
trash my still living father. Yeah, for all the ways
he fell short when I was a child. I want
to air that in the New York Times. And I
also want to note the emotionally immature ways in which
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I have retaliated against him for these things, including she says,
there are some things I've taken from my dad, including
Fox News when I set up his cable.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Ma'am, you're not the samee one here.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Like, don't do that to your dad. Just just hey,
here's an idea. But your grown ass father watched the
channels he wants to watch exactly.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Wow, it just yeah, it's like he didn't take her
to San Diego Chargers games even though he had season
tickets too. Of course that's shitty, but can I can I.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Also just say I have a feeling if he took
her to the Chargers games, she'd be writing a piece
about how he made me go to Chargers games.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
True, true, because she's like, he gave me really nice
houses to grow up in, Like, oh my god, how
dare he that seems important? Right?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I just yeah, it's just it's so pathetic how the
New York Times is just anti men and the whole
the whole left really is just anti men. They really
don't get it. The Tennessee Titans, Happy Father's Day to
all the Titans, moms and fatherly figures. I mean, play Travis,
come get your team.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
They can't even just say fathers like that's one of
the category.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, no, it can't be. It can't be fathers. Fathers
don't count.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Come on, I want to note. Gavin Newsom says, this
Father's Day, I'm thinking of the families torn apart by
Trump's cruel deportation policies. Innocent kids are paying the price
simply because their dads showed up for work, we're near
a home depot, or we're in the wrong place at
the wrong time. This cruelty must end. Okay, let's put
aside the fact checking of that particular tweet.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
But like any other father rights right.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Anyone out there, as I just all these holidays have
so much creep. Now, yeah, you have to make Father's
Day about people who aren't fathers as well, right, you
have to.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
And I think Dad's right, and I think it's always
I think it's nice to be aware that people have
issues with their parents or have lost parents and all
that stuff, Like we can all acknowledge that that's part
of life.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Sure, I'm in a family where someone might think it's
sensitive to say things to us on Father's Day, right, right, right,
I'm not worried about it. But even for those who are,
let's not make Mother's Day or Father's Day overtaken by
the grief that others feel. Like. We can just make
it about the mothers and the fathers who are with us,
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and the mothers and the fathers we've lost.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
That we are honoring still, like exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
It's such a downer sometimes on social media when everyone's like,
just remember other people are sat right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I know, yes, I'm fully aware, but that's not what the.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Day is about, because that's not what the day's about anyway.
Thanks to the dad's and my family who we had
a great time with and.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
In mine, we really are lucky to have some incredible men.
My husband, father in law, my brother is just a
great dad and uncle. I just you know, really really
good guys and We're lucky to have them.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Maybe someone could have found somebody to write a not
bad about them.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, that would have been nice.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Next time we can shoot for it next year.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Sure, sure. Twenty twenty six, Well, thanks for joining us
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
And I'm Carol Markovitz and him Mary Catherine. We are
recording this after another very calm, chill weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Nobody can ever chill, will let us rest, They will not,
And here we are to catch up on just like
you know, yeah, two.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Things, yeah, some things, you know, some things have happened.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
So since we last spoke, Israel has attacked Iran and
it's going very well so far. You know, Israel very
quickly said this is not going to be a quick thing.
After the first attack, they were asked like, is this it?
(00:54):
They said, this is not even the end of the beginning.
They see this as being war, not just strikes. And
you know, the night that it all went down. So
one of the funnier things about it, about an hour
before the strikes began, Mike Kokabe, who is ambassador to
Israel from the US, tweeted that he would be remaining
(01:16):
at the embassy in Jerusalem, and everyone was like, why
are you tweeting this at us in the middle of
the night, Mike Hookabe. Yeah, So it was clear it
was happening. Now, I am not a foreign policy expert.
I know this doesn't stop people from pretending they are
on X, but I follow it closely obviously, but I
(01:39):
could not possibly call myself an expert in the field. However,
that night, the rumor that spread on X was that
Trump didn't know about this, Yeah, knowing absolutely nothing about
what was going on. I responded that, like, obviously, Israel's
(02:00):
doing this without the United States kind of permission, Yes,
and it was. Trump has said that I ran had
sixty days to reach an agreement. It was day sixty one.
This kind of thing, it just it drives me bananas
because these people have followings on X that say things
that we all know are not true and that we
(02:23):
can't be true. It really does make me crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So yeah, it's it is frustrating, and the immediate jump
to petty domestic politics, which look, yeah, is part of
my job. Petty domestic politics is what I've spend way
too much of my time on. Right, But in this case,
this is Israel going after an existential threat that frankly,
(02:47):
if they went nuclear, would affect everyone. Because this is
an insane and awful regime, right, and so to turn
it into like, ooh, they embarrass President Trump as a
sort of domestic politics victory is a silly because it's
not true, and he just sort of like makes you
(03:10):
look very small because it's not about that. And look,
I don't think that this would have happened under Biden,
because I think Biden would have been saying openly, or
a Harris administration certainly would have been saying openly, oh no, no, no,
you're not allowed to do any of that. Under a
Trump administration, they've talked behind the scenes. And although I
(03:31):
was worried about Steve Whitkoff making deals shared with the
Iranians because I thought that didn't look like a good idea,
it seems clear to me that they probably look. I
think Trump likes deals. So Steve Witkoff goes in there, like,
we're going to make a deal. Trump's like, maybe we'll
make a deal. But he's serious about the deadline, and
he's serious about backing Israel up if they need to
(03:53):
do what they need to do. And so he did
the deadline. And here's the thing about passing the deadline
and then making good on a threat is that it
makes you a credible leader. Exactly to those who we
want to be scared of us. So it also means,
by the way, that so many of our friends in
Israel who I want to just send up prayers for
(04:15):
are in danger, many of them in bomb shelters or
in special parts of their houses to protect them from
Iranian ballistic missiles. But because of the military and intel
successes of Israel, which have been astounding over the past
year or so, fewer of those ballistic missiles are coming
in each time because they are able to target where
(04:37):
they're coming from and take those out. Amazing.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, there, Iran is in this tough spot where Israel
keeps taking out their launchers every time they launch missiles,
but they can't not launch missiles, so you know, kind
of kind of a tough little spot for them. It's
going wildly well. There have been some deaths in Israel
which are very unfortunate obviously, also so any innocent Iranians
(05:02):
who are caught up in this. It's really desperately sad.
Iranian people have wanted to get rid of the mulahs
for so long, but hopefully this will be a moment
where that can happen. Even you know, people who have
opposed this attack, like Tucker Carlson, for example, in the
days before the attack happened, he wrote this whole long thing,
(05:25):
and I'm not going to get into it, but basically
he said, if the Iranians were close to getting a nuke,
the United States would already be at war with them.
Why would we want that? Why would we as Americans
want them to get really close to getting a nuke
and that's when we would go to war with them.
This is a much cleaner, safer situation for Americans. I
(05:45):
don't understand how any American can oppose Israel doing this
in Iran because it helps us without us having to
have boots on the ground period.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well, and I understand people being concerned. I don't want
to be naive, but I am. There is this special
moment that we are in that because of Israel's incredible successes,
they sort of stood naked before the world. This program
and Iran's various sites didn't have the defenses that they
(06:15):
would otherwise have, So it seemed like a good opportunity
to add a relatively low cost, just like in general
of consequences and of retaliation, to go ahead and make
a serious dent in their situation. As you say, their
public is not exactly resoundingly behind them. Of course, a
(06:37):
lot would have to happen before the public rises up
and there's any sort of change. But I just you
don't have to be an expert to think, do I
want Iran to have nukes? And the answer is no.
And the Obama administration's plan for keeping them from nukes
seemed to be paid let them get extremely close to
(06:58):
nukes and also give them lots of money to get
which I confess I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, never made a lot of sense and didn't think
that was strategy was going to work, and it hasn't.
So Also, Iran has not let in inspectors in a
long time. This idea that they're being so transparent and
oh look at israelis bombing them for no reason is ridiculous.
Iran cannot have a nuclear bomb. President Trump said that,
and we were hoping to get back at the negotiating table.
(07:25):
We will see, and then he added there are several
people in leadership that will not be coming back, which
is a perfect little Trump is.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
He also said, when asked, like you knows how did
they die? Or they died because they were taken out by,
and he goes, well, they didn't I have COVID, and
I just he is a very funny president.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
He is us.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
He's a very funny president. Apparently, Iran is now signaling
the Wall Street Journal reports that it would like to
de escalate hostilities and result resumed talks over its nuclear programs,
sending messages to Israel and the US via Arab intermediaries.
Middle Eastern and European officials said, oh what changed. I also,
I would like to note every Arab country quietly does
(08:15):
not want them to have nukes. They are not loud
about it, but they want this result. And they also
have backed up Israel by shooting many things out of
the air headed toward Israel, at least some of those
allied Arab countries. So even though it's like a little
testy over there, they don't want Iran to have a
(08:36):
nuke either, right, Why would they?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, it makes no sense. We'll be right back on normally.
Other news. This weekend, there was a shooting in Minnesota
where a gunman killed Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman and
her spouse, and he shot two other lawmakers. The gunman
(09:00):
is Van Spolter, I reported that first, thank you very
much she did.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
If you do not follow at Carol, you should because
she does break some news.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Sometimes I break news. It's very very scary whenever I do.
By the way, I don't recommend it. It's a very
nerve wracking few minutes every time. Where I hope that
I got it right, I haven't correct. I haven't been
wrong yet. I had one time where I said a
jury decision was in and that hadn't become public yet,
but then the jury went back into deliberations, so it
(09:32):
seemed like I got it wrong. But other than that one,
I'm batting whatever the good batting averages.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Our girl is a good follower. But this terrible situation
is the fifty five year old Democratic leader in the
Minnesota House and her husband. They have children. I believe
he also shot their dog. It's just like the worst story.
He also the suspect also shot allegedly another lawmaker. It's
(10:01):
unclear exactly what the situation is right now. The Wall
Street Journal is reporting that this guy has really disparate employment,
sort of a very confusing career path ministry. They said
he works with some sort of eye donation company right
now and is also trying to get a security company
off the ground. He apparently has a family, but also
(10:24):
has roommates in another part of town. They did report
that he has been a preacher and is that specifically
worked with the Democratic Republic of Congo, which is an
interesting choice, and that he is a pro life person
that perhaps there's a list of abortion allies that he
had in his possession. He shoots both of these lawmakers.
(10:48):
I don't want to get over our skis because that's
what the press always does in these situations and it's
not healthy for anyone. But every single person should be
able to say this is the worst and we want
nothing to do with anyone who agrees with us doing
anything like this, Unlike the Luigi situation, yep, I would
(11:10):
just like to say that very loudly, right.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
You're not like, well, maybe the right right, like I
wouldn't shoot people, but no, no, this is not doing
that wrong and we don't stand for it on normally.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Also, I would like to note that Senator John Hoffman
sixty and his wife, Yvette, who were also attacked. I
believe Yvette shielded their daughter, like incredibly heroically. There was
a man hunt for this guy. He has been apprehended.
We will know more information. Apparently there's a manifesto. I
don't know if it will be released. Law enforcements seem
(11:45):
to say not at this point. And also it sounds
like someone that he was caught because someone saw him
on a trail camp. So way to go, hunters. Wow,
we appreciate it happened.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I didn't hear that.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Amazing, that is what I saw this morning. So anyway,
as always, we will be careful with such news unless
someone is on tape and many witnesses saying this is
my motive. I am currently practicing that motive. I don't
like to say that until we're going.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
To give it a minute. That's right, Yeah, we're going
to take a short break and come right back with normally.
In other news, Donald Trump, you know when he's good.
He is very very good. My friend Cliff Asnis, who
is a big opponent of tariffs, after he tweeted this
(12:35):
after Trump said for those people who say they want peace,
you can't have peace if I Ran has a nuclear weapon.
So for all those wonderful people, you don't want to
do anything about I Ran having a nuclear weapon. That's
not peace. And Cliff Astnes wrote DJT. You know, today
I'm thinking I can live with some tariffs, which is
really where we are on Trump, like he is so good.
(12:55):
And then other times I just don't understand this man.
And one of those times is these new carve outs
for people who are here illegally and have jobs and
in the farming and hotel and leisure businesses are getting
a carve out to not be deported. And I hate that.
(13:18):
I hate it. I hate it because there should be
no special carveouts. What about uber eats, what about you know,
any other number of businesses that rely on a class
of people that they don't have to pay minimum wage too,
you know, the people who are very worried about their
their maids and their gardeners and whatever, very very Yeah,
(13:39):
they're just like, what about my cleaning staff? What about
their people? Right? So I really don't like this at all.
The other thing kind of related to this that he
reversed himself on is made a deal with China, subject
to final approval. But one of the things was we
(14:00):
agreed Chinese students using our colleges and university, which has
always been good with me. He tweeted. I think that's
a problem. I think it's a real problem that China
can send anyone they want to our universities and we
really don't know who's coming in. And so it ties
really well with the illegal immigration problem because these special
(14:20):
carve outs do not help us and they don't lead
us to a good place. If you want to have
special workers and special industries, we have worker programs for that,
legal worker programs. We don't just overlook that these industries
have illegal immigrants working there and say, oh, well, they
need those immigrants, and that's just what we're going to
(14:42):
do here. So Donald Trump Man, I.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Know, well, and once again you're punishing people who obey
the law because it's much more expensive for them to
run their businesses because they're paying people minimum wage. I
love liberals, by the way, where it's like, we have
to have a twenty dollars minimum wage, yeah, which will
crush the actual not black market economy, but for the
gray and black market where people are being paid off
(15:06):
the books, paying whatever you want two dollars an hour,
that seems fine with us. So it's a little weird
to me. I do think there's a way to achieve
basically not turning everyone off with the mass deportation effort
while also getting done a lot of work, which is
to do what he said he was going to do.
And the beauty and the annoyance about Trump is that
(15:28):
he'll say a thousand things. You can always say, well,
he said that. But look, prioritizing criminal aliens is very,
very very popular. Do that do targeted pickups? If there
are various industries that are more problematic than others, I
think those are worth sending a signal about it because
(15:49):
all the other parts of that industry have to go ooh,
should we.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Be doing this exactly?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And I just don't understand what part of the law
has been repealed, right, because to my knowledge none, it's
just still illegal to employ all these people. Yeah. By
the way, I remember the days when like one nanny
scandal would get somebody kicked out of it an administration.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yes, do we even do that anymore? I think, Okay,
we just accept that everybody has a legal immigrant nannies.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
You know, let's keep telling me.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah. I did a border trip last year now, and
one of the things that the agriculture worker that we
spoke to Holmes and agriculture business on the border of
Texas and Mexico was saying he does not hire anyone
who is here legally. But he also has a lot
(16:41):
of trouble with the guest worker program. They don't have
a good effective guests worker program. He often does not
have enough people. He also the whole idea, you know,
just pay more and you get Americans. He says, well, no,
because you have to live in this rural area where
are grown. And he says he has two Americans who
(17:03):
come every season to work for him, but it's very rare,
very hard, and he would like to bring in more
legal workers, and he has trouble doing that. And I
don't think exempting farm markers is going to lead us
to having a better guest worker program, which Trump has
mentioned he wanted right he is. He has said he
wants a better guest worker legal program. I think exempting
(17:27):
these illegal workers in these industries moves us farther away
from that goal.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah. By the way, while we're while we're airing grievances,
I would like to point out that still TikTok should
not exist on American app markets right now according to
the law. However you feel about that law, the law
is not being obeyed and so interesting to me and
actually a good segue into our next topic, because this
is the almost the only thing that Trump is acting
(17:53):
like a king about. He is not enforcing this TikTok law. Yeah,
the left doesn't care because they really like TikTok, so.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Right doesn't matter. It's fine. Yeah, it's not a king here.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, just want to note that the law is not
being followed on that he keeps saying I'm going to delay,
and there's nothing in the law that says he's allowed
to delay. It just shouldn't be happening.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
We'll be right back on.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Normally, the No Kings rallies happened all around the nation,
reportedly about two thousand different sites. At the same time,
the Army Parade was going on. Army two hundred and
fiftieth Birthday Parade was happening in Washington, d C. I
do want to point out that in my area, I
(18:36):
ran across some No Kings protesters. They were all boomerirific ladies.
Like I was, like, it's hot outside today, everybody make
sure you hydrate. But we drove past a little crowd
and my kids said, and I don't talk to them
about politics a lot. We talk about civics, but we
(18:57):
don't talk about politics. Sure, And they asked about this
and they're like, what is that, No Kings, what is happening?
And I said, well, those are people who don't like
Donald Trump and this is their First Amendment right to
protest him and say that they don't like him because
they believe he's acting like a king. And they said,
wasn't he elected in the election, And I said, yes,
(19:17):
that is a salient point, ladies, that is a very
unboldlike behavior.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Also, kings generally wouldn't allow no King protests on their streets.
Just one of those things you hear about kings. We
also drove by a really small one in Coral Springs, Florida.
They were waving American flags and not blocking traffic, and
I just thought, even our leftists are better in Florida.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, I mean that that may be. The are seemed
to be a short lived little protest near where we were.
I will say it did seem like they might have
gotten a little more patriotic over the past couple of
weeks when they saw how the LA stuff was landing.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Right and good for them, good good, Yeah, we was.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
However, there was one death at a Salt Lake City,
no kings, And methinks that if conservatives gathered in two
thousand gatherings and there were one murder, that that would
be a huge national story, but it's rather small at
any rate. That was a it was a weird situation
where a guy with a rifle showed up, was charging people,
(20:22):
and a peacekeeper, a designated peacekeeper inside the crowd shot
at the assailant and miss hit a bystander, which is
just terrible. But the guy with the original guy with
the rifle is being charged. So that happened at the parade,
which was supposed to be the fascistic display on the
National Mall, it was actually just an army parade. It
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wasn't a Trump parade. He was there because he's the
commander in chief. It's the two hundred and fiftieth birthday
of the army. This event has actually been planned because
the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary was coming up for
a long time and people knew it. There have been
plans in the work since two thousand twenty three at
least just.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
To do this. Yeah. Yeah, he had very little to
do with this, and yet it was like, look at
the king with his military parade for his birthday, and
it's like, yes, it really wasn't and just he makes
people lose their minds like this. I actually think the
no Kings is very bad branding. I don't think that
they nailed it with this one.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I think they did either. They're usually better at.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
That, so much better. And the pic pussy you know
hat thing in twenty sixteen, way more effective, way more
like striking and lands. Where kind of his weaknesses were,
it was with women, and it was the comments he
made to Billy Bush. They nailed that he's not trying
(21:45):
to be a king, and I don't know who thinks otherwise.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
So say, his answers to whether people should be concerned
about him being a king are far better than Obama's were,
because Obama would just wax poetic about how he kind
of wished he was but he can't do it, and
I'm sure you could find tape of Trump doing the same.
But when he was just recently asked about it, he
was like, I don't feel like a king, like I
(22:09):
keep having to check with Mike Johnson I can do.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And also like local district court judges keep stopping him.
So you know, there was that meme going around like
Donald Trump was going to resign from the presidency and
take a really you know, the high power job of district.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
District court judge.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I do want to play just a tiny clip of
the Army two fifty parade, which was I must say,
very cool. Here is the scary, UH military parade. These
guys are marching and you'll hear the horrifying soundtracks. When
(23:10):
I think fascists, I think John Phillips SUSA. Right.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Also, I should know, I like London does that like
three times a week.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
So oh yeah. In fact, he did it the same
day as US this year. Yes, this landed on Trump's birthday,
but also Flag Day and also the two hundred and
fiftieth birthday of the US Army. I loved that they
did all the different eras of uniforms. I loved it
looked fantastic. The voiceover if you were a history person
(23:39):
or at all interested in this, was also great because
you're just learning things about the American military while they're
troop in the color as they say in Britain, the
lawmakers are watching Carol. Would you like to guess how
long Trump's speech was at this event?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Oh? You know Trump likes to give the really long speech,
but I feel like the fact that you're asking me
means it didn't go two hours.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
So for the Trump Parade on his birthday, where he's
a king, he gave an eight minute speech.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, he's good, He's very, very good.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
And he also swore in a bunch of officers in
the middle of the parade, or a bunch of new
enlisties and re enlisties at the parade, which is such
a cool thing, except that I joked that he's literally
in the streets of America telling them to obey his orders,
and we're all just blind to this horrific, unprecedented move.
(24:36):
Of course, that's just the normal oaths that you give
when you're subject to the orders of the commander in
chief in our system. Even MSNBC had to admit at
one point like this doesn't seem like dark or scary.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, they were real worried about it before though. Matt
cover on X tweeted, who knew that principled opposition to
Trump would mean booing the Army's two hundred fiftieth birthday.
If you find yourself booing the Army's birthday, like you've
got some problems.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, it was just nice. All the guys in the
tanks were like smiling and waving at children. They at
one point, I did enjoy this, and I think this
is a Trump era flare that might not have existed otherwise.
When the tanks were coming down the street of different eras,
they would play songs from the different eras. So it
was like inter sandmen and I love some seventies rock.
It was very American. Wow, So just stop overreacting to everything. Man,
(25:34):
they came to.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Your lips, Mary Catherine, I really would enjoy that. How
did the New York Times handle Father's Day? Okay, speaking
of overreacting. Did they have a very positive message for
fathers on Father's Day?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
You know, they had a daughter write a piece called
what my father gave Me?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
He gave her good things?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Right, oh, contrerel It was a piece called what my
father gave Me, and it was all about how much
she dislikes her father and he's still with us. She
wrote a New York Times article about him, and I'm
just saying, look, parental relationships can be complicated, Okay, I
(26:18):
understand that. Just find one person in America who loves
their father or stepfather.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Or father in law. I love my father in law,
you know.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Just grandfather even would be a thing you could do.
But they found a person who's like, I want to
trash my still living father. Yeah, for all the ways
he fell short when I was a child. I want
to air that in the New York Times. And I
also want to note the emotionally immature ways in which
(26:48):
I have retaliated against him for these things, including she says,
there are some things I've taken from my dad, including
Fox News when I set up his cable.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Ma'am, you're not the samee one here.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Like, don't do that to your dad. Just just hey,
here's an idea. But your grown ass father watched the
channels he wants to watch exactly.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Wow, it just yeah, it's like he didn't take her
to San Diego Chargers games even though he had season
tickets too. Of course that's shitty, but can I can I.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Also just say I have a feeling if he took
her to the Chargers games, she'd be writing a piece
about how he made me go to Chargers games.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
True, true, because she's like, he gave me really nice
houses to grow up in, Like, oh my god, how
dare he that seems important? Right?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I just yeah, it's just it's so pathetic how the
New York Times is just anti men and the whole
the whole left really is just anti men. They really
don't get it. The Tennessee Titans, Happy Father's Day to
all the Titans, moms and fatherly figures. I mean, play Travis,
come get your team.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
They can't even just say fathers like that's one of
the category.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, no, it can't be. It can't be fathers. Fathers
don't count.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Come on, I want to note. Gavin Newsom says, this
Father's Day, I'm thinking of the families torn apart by
Trump's cruel deportation policies. Innocent kids are paying the price
simply because their dads showed up for work, we're near
a home depot, or we're in the wrong place at
the wrong time. This cruelty must end. Okay, let's put
aside the fact checking of that particular tweet.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
But like any other father rights right.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Anyone out there, as I just all these holidays have
so much creep. Now, yeah, you have to make Father's
Day about people who aren't fathers as well, right, you
have to.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
And I think Dad's right, and I think it's always
I think it's nice to be aware that people have
issues with their parents or have lost parents and all
that stuff, Like we can all acknowledge that that's part
of life.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Sure, I'm in a family where someone might think it's
sensitive to say things to us on Father's Day, right, right, right,
I'm not worried about it. But even for those who are,
let's not make Mother's Day or Father's Day overtaken by
the grief that others feel. Like. We can just make
it about the mothers and the fathers who are with us,
(29:22):
and the mothers and the fathers we've lost.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
That we are honoring still, like exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
It's such a downer sometimes on social media when everyone's like,
just remember other people are sat right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I know, yes, I'm fully aware, but that's not what the.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Day is about, because that's not what the day's about anyway.
Thanks to the dad's and my family who we had
a great time with and.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
In mine, we really are lucky to have some incredible men.
My husband, father in law, my brother is just a
great dad and uncle. I just you know, really really
good guys and We're lucky to have them.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Maybe someone could have found somebody to write a not
bad about them.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, that would have been nice.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Next time we can shoot for it next year.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Sure, sure. Twenty twenty six, Well, thanks for joining us
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