June 23, 2024 • 29 mins
Clay vs. Buck on movies. Could Pete Hegseth beat Caitlin Clark? D-Day book and movie rec’s.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Bold reverence and occasionally random The Sunday hang with playing
Fuck podcast and it starts now.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
With the movies.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Here for a second, I I got to look at
where the movie theater stocks are because I got a
figure that it's going to be a tough time for
movie theaters going forward. It's when you add up all
that headache. First of all, the notion you have to
be somewhere at a certain set time even to watch
a movie. It's not a Broadway play like, it's not
quite the same kind of event. I remember back in
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the nineties early nineties going to a movie with my
family when it was first coming out, and it was
a big movie like the First Remember the the Michael
Keaton Batman. Oh that that was a huge movie when
that came out. I remember going to see Jurassic Park
with my parents and my whole family and seeing that
the Zigfeld Theater in New York City and the giant speakers,
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and that was so cool. Movies used to be an
experience that you couldn't replicate at all at home. Now
you can, and you don't have people talking. What is
it with people think that when the when the music
gets loud or the sound gets loud. You you could
start to do the loud whisper thing no no, no,
and pulling their phones out, and it's just it's you know,
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I don't know. I don't. I don't go to I
don't go to movies anymore. I'm kind of out. I
watch movies. I just don't go to the movie theater anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I love going to the movie theater. And staff looked
this up and and and crew confirmed that I'm clearing
I still do though, you still do still want to
taking my boys like to go see a movie, love
the experience. Uh even today, I would still I was
one of the diehards that would still be willing to
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go to the movie when everybody else was convinced they
were gonna die of COVID. I couldn't wait for the
movie theaters to be back open. I think they opened
back up in like May or June where I am.
I was right back in the theater as soon as
I could be, even when they were showing old eighties
and nineties movies because they didn't have any new movies
to be able to watch. What was the was what
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was the movie that came out that was like the
first movie to come back out after COVID. That was
a I know we had Top Gun Maverick, but the
the Interstellar guy, Uh didn't he come out with a movie?
Is an inception? Is that the movie that came out?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
No one who had It's It's Denzel Washington's son, and
it was about the theater getting taken over and it's
kind of a thriller and you could change. That was
the first real new release to come back out after COVID,
and I feel like that was I don't remember when
that came out, but I remember being super excited to
go see it.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I wanted to go this weekend buck.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I got my phone out, I pulled up the Fandango app.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
To fail. It's unbelievable how awful they were.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Tenant is the movie that you're ten of it. I
never saw. I know nothing about it. It's good, but
they're not making good movies anymore. But they're not making
good movies because the whole industry has changed. Because people
aren't paying twenty bucks a person to go sit in
the theater the way they used to. They want to
sit at home and stream it. That's just the reality.
My couch is so much more comfortable than a movie theater.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I want to be in the movie theater with really
good movies out again, like in the eighties and like
in the nineties.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
And I think that.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Hollywood has just destroyed itself by being more concerned with
politics than story. Just get back to telling me good stories.
That's all I want.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Sunday hang with Clay and Bucks.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Our friend Pete Hegseath joins us now. He is an
army veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan. He is the co
host of Fox and Friends Weekend, also a Fox Nation host.
He's got a book out, The War on Warriors, Behind
the Betrayal of the Men Who Keep Us Free. What's
going on, Pete, good to talk to you.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
What's up, guys, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yeah, of course, talk to us a little bit about
about the book and what what do people need to know?
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Well, folks need to know that, you know, without a
capable military, we're not free. And I joined and served
a military that I love, that was lethal, that was
based on meritocracy, that was existed for twenty years to
try as best it could to defeat extremism. And now
that very seem military is identifying people like me, and
I tell that specific story in.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
The book as extremists.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
So political ideologies have captured the top of our Pentagon,
and that's proliferated throughout the institution, and it's made our
ranks less accountable.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
It's lowered the standards.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
They're less prepared, commanders are walking on eggshells, and as
a result, they're less capable.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
And so it's not a good story book.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
And it's something that's not just a military, it's the CIA,
it's other institutions are facing this too, But it's something
that can be reversed, and I wanted to sound the
alarm on it now in the hopes that we can
write the ship.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
If we had to pete, thanks for coming on. If
we had to actually fight, let's say China invaded Taiwan,
let's say also basically.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Were into World War three.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Then, given what's already going on in Europe, what's already
going on in the Middle East, do you think our
military is capable of fighting a war like that right now?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Sad answer is probably no.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
Clay. You know, the Pentagon does war games all the time,
and they're wargaming against China with all these sophisticated models
and it has an undefeated record in the last decade
against China, we lose every time, and it's because China
is building a military. It's not that China's exceptional or amazing,
but they're building a military that is intended.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
To defeat US capabilities.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Whereas the military we have is more or less focused
on fighting the wars we just left and hasn't navigated back,
doesn't have the industrial base, doesn't have the forward thinking,
isn't recruiting sufficiently.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
And then doesn't have the warrior ethos.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
I mean, Clay, it matters what kind of generals you have,
what kind of tone they set, how those units integrate
together to become a team. Right now, the ethos is
inside our military. You hear all the time from these generals.
It's nonsense. Our diversity is our strength, what a bunch
of crap like, especially in uniform. Our unity is our strength.
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We all get the same training where camouflage and get
bad haircuts, and after that.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
You're not an individual anymore.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
You're a part of a unit that's supposed to work
operate as a team, and your differences are not what matter.
That is, when I've talked to dozens of guys dozens
actively serving, and they tell me the same thing. It's
creeping into units in a serious way that's undermining morale
and capabilities.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
We're speaking to Pete Hegsath. The book is The War
on Warriors. It's just out now, and Pete, we know
that there's this problem, and we've seen some of the wokeness,
you know, General Millie and all the stuff right, and
the books that are being assigned, and just lots of
stuff that's out there. I think our audience here is
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very attune to that. How do we how does it
get fixed? Right? I mean other than just we wish
we had generals who didn't buy into this stuff. Well,
what can be done? I mean, how do you change
the ethos back to what it used to be of
an organization that's got a couple million people in it.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
There's a lot to that buck, for sure, but it
starts with a new commander in chief. Donald Trump said
it in our interview with him last weekend. You know,
I've got to firewoke generals. You got to have a
commander in chief that hires a Secretary of State that
will take or Secretary Defense that will take none of
this nonsense. A chairman of the joint chiefs. That sets
the tone some very key targeted firings of those that
were responsible for the CRT DEI stuff, the gender stuff
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that pushed through women in combat when the evidence showed
it wasn't going to be helpful. That are pushing the
green fleets in the electric tanks. You need to fire people,
and then you need to you need to change the
way promotions happen.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Careerism occurs.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
There's a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Then you got to go into the military academies. West
Point looks a lot more like Berkeley than it used to.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Civilian professors are everywhere, and their ideologies are similar to
what you see on civilian campuses.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
All that stuff's being taught to young officers. You have
to change that too. You have to outlaw CRT and DEI.
The army is a.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Top The military is a top down institution. When an
order goes out that things are going to change, it
usually gets followed and then you have to follow up
on it. But it can change more quickly than most institutions.
It probably will take more than one term. So it
would be Donald Trump and then his successor that would
have to be a part of changing it.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Talking to Pete Heggseth Pete. Tomorrow eightieth anniversary of D Day.
I believe it's also your forty fourth birthday. I don't
know if you've ever had I saw Will tweet that
he had taken his family and he had been able
to tour Normandy. I'm sure we'll talk about this some tomorrow.
I took my family. It's one of the most amazing
trips I've ever been to see that ground. Have you
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ever gotten to go to see the battlefield at Normandy
to see what it looks like? And if not, there
is there a place. I know you're a history guy too,
that you've gone and had an opportunity to visit that
to you sort of is emblematic of the history of
American excellence in the military.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Man, that's a.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Great question, Clay. I've never been. My wife got me
a surprise trip to go to Normandy right before COVID,
so that the whole plan got scrapped because I've always
wanted to go, and I've always wanted to see it,
and I saw what Will Kine put out and it's amazing.
Speak of Normandy, I mean, talk about General Eisenhower, as
you guys probably know famously wrote two letters, one if
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it succeeded and one if it failed, and if it failed,
he was prepared to take accountability and resign.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Where's that ethos in our military today? You know, we
took our kids.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
You probably know where this is at Clay the Nashville
National Cemetery, which is oh yeah, it's on I think
it's East Nashville. They had a ceremony this this past
Memorial Day weekend.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
And just taking kids any find any.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Cemetery like that, Few and far between are as large
as the one in Omaha Beach and at Normandy or
at Arlington. We just haven't walked through the crosses, walk
through the markers and look over the horizon and see
the cost of freedom. That affected me a ton as
a kid, and I think did the same for my
young young boys. I went to Gettysburg and that got
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me many years ago. Just pick a battlefield, go there
with someone that knows how it went down, and then
share it and it'll change you.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Pete, did you know that Clay went to Civil War
sleep away camp? This is true, no real thing. That's amazing. Yeah,
my wife says that she is.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
She never would have believed that she would have married
or certainly had kids with anyone who was willing to
go to Civil War.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Sleep away camp. I did.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I was after my junior year of high school at
Gettysburg College. They have something called the Civil War Institute,
or they used to, and I got a scholarship and
went there and stayed for a week. And my wife said,
you know, they gave scholarships like people actually competed and
competed for this, and yes, I got one and it
was amazing.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Clay, I want that scholarship from my kids. Send me
the info I want wid.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
We did the Shenandoah Valley Campaign of eighteen sixty four.
They have a different Civil War focus every year. It's
not just Gettysburg. And they took us on the bus
to it.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Like like going to this is like going to tuba
camp or something. It was super superhistory. They went to
a six week clarinet intensive. Hey, by the way, two
cute girls were also on. This was maybe the bigger
upset that there were too cute. I had an advantage
because I think the guys that were at Civil Wars
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play was.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Not a high not a high level of competition.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
That's to be sure speaking by the way of competition,
should we ask him? That's a perfect segue, Clay, Uh,
talk to me about this right before he came on, Pete,
has this challenge already been laid out?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Clay, I don't want to misrepresent.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I don't know the exact details. You and so you
played basketball at Princeton, right, let's set the table here.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yes, yep, Okay, you played basketball prince in which is
D one school IVY League, A D one school audience
is not gonna hold that against you. But uh, Clay
asked me, I'm just gonna say on your behalf, Pete.
He asked me, do you think that Pete right now
could could beat Caitlin Clark in one on one basketball?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Now?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I initially said, oh, yeah, no, I think I think
Pete will probably smoke her. But then Clay said, hold
on a second. If they're using the female sized ball,
which is a different size, and I didn't know Caitlin
Clark is six feet tall, she's about your size. Give
her take. Are you confident that Pete you could with
no training, no nothing. I mean we're talking. You take
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your Fox and Friends suit off and you put on
a basketball jersey. Do you think you could take Caitlin
Clark and all of America is listening right now?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Okay, in a.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Three point contest right now? No, in a three point
contest in my prime, it's a wash. Okay, one on
one in my prime, I smoker one on one right now,
it's it's a push. I don't know, but I'm using callig.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
How much?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Okay, let's pretend, all right, I let's say that I pete.
I said, Hey, I'm gonna put fifty thousand.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Dollars on this game.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
All right, you get fifty thousand dollars and you can
walk away, or you get one hundred thousand if you
beat her one on one?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Are you playing the game?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
To go for a hundred is a wret to so
no elbows?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, yeah, there's a wret. We got to legit one
on one.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Yeah, I'm playing the game, but I'm prepared to lose.
You know, I'm playing the game because I think I
have a shot, But I'm prepared. She is so good
and such a different kind of player. Those shots she
hits from that far out. How do you guard that
and guard the drive? You gotta get physical. You got
a body up. That would be I would be old
man's stress.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I said, he's got a box, he's got to box out,
he's got to go older.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
So you would you would go like old school NBA,
like Patrick Ewing and just slowly back back, or like
it might take ten seconds for you to take a shot,
but you're just gonna work your way inside.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Whatever it takes, whatever it takes. Clay, I just did.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
It's I don't know. I just I would try to
make some moves. But I feel like that would you.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Would you be a play body?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
You?
Speaker 4 (14:18):
You?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
You? So here's my thing.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I would be so afraid if I were you, not
of losing, because I think if you lost, people be like, hey,
Pete's you know, he's in his forties, she's twenty one
or twenty two, she's six feet she's the best women's
shooter in the game.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Here's what I'd be afraid of. I'd be afraid of
injuring myself, like tearing your acl.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Like that you tried to dunk, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, and you don't even get to finish the game,
and then it's like what doesn't even matter what the
score was at the time. It would go mega viral
if you, even if you just had a bad ankle
sprain or something, if you weren't able to finish the game.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
That's what I would be afraid, although I would.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Say can Park dunked on Pete, He'd never be able
to live it down.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
I recently played my thirty year old brother because he
declared it was the first time he thought he could
beat me finally, and he's never beat me. And I
beat him, but I almost died trying, and that would
be the case here.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I would die trying to play.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
This is funny you mentioned that because my middle son
is thirteen now. He's going to be fourteen in September,
but he's playing middle school basketball. He's pretty good. He's
not listening, so I say he's pretty good at bad basketball.
He's played travel, all this stuff. I played him recently
in the backyard and he got up like ten to nothing,
and you.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Played by basketball.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I'm curious, buck, I understand that this is going to
be borderline trash talk. He was talking trash to me
and I said, you need to shut up.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I slept with your mom, and I.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Felt bad that I had to legit play the I
slept with your mom line on my kid. But that's
an ultimate trash talk line. It's actually true in this case.
But he was running me, and I don't know how
much more time I have or I.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Can win the game.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
So do you get beat or do you just gallantly retire?
If your kids are starting to get better than you
at one on one basketball, you have.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
To play until they can beat you.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Legitimately, I will play as hard as I can to
the very end and take great pride in the day
when my kids beat me, and I will be okay
with that, but they.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Will have to earn it for sure.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
The book write a passage is the War on Warriors,
and Pete hegg Seth did not did not say that
he could necessarily beat Caitlin Clark. We thought we're gonna
bait you into saying you could smoke Caitlyn Clark one
on one.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I thought you told me that you could beat I.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
That was the three point contest. In three point contests,
I feel a boat in one on one.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I want to be very.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Clear about this book.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
I think I could. Maybe I'm not saying I would okay.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
To me because of the physicality.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Absolutely, yeah, oh man, oh that's all I like where
your head's at.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Pete.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Everybody go check out Pete's book, The War On Warriors
Behind the Betrail of the Men to Keep Us Free.
Great book out now, Pete egg Seth. Come back and
hang out with us soon.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Sundays with Clay and Buck. We're gonna go to the Alamo.
We got invited.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
We're going. We're gonna go to the Alamo. We've we've
were in touch with some people that are gonna help
make that happen. We're gonna have an Alamo visit. I
don't know, maybe we would do like a meet up
in a barbecue place nearby at the Alamo or something.
But anyway, we're gonna go down. Gotta go see. I've
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you know, the first meetup of Krockett Coffee subscribers at
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Speaker 3 (18:36):
I love when when Clay they plans like large public
events in real time on radio with millions of people listening. Okay,
so we'll have to now we will pull the logistics together.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I just think I mean, look, we can all have coffee.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
We can go. San Antonio is a beautiful place. I
haven't been there in a very, very long time, but
I've been wanting to go back to the Alamo for
a while. So we could have a Clay and Buck
Alamo feel trip for our Crockett Coffee subscribers. I think
a lot of people would enjoy that.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I think it sounds great. We've got emails coming in,
so our subscribers at claimbuck dot com are fired up. Today.
Matt writes, Hey, fellas, keep up the great work. First
of all, Buck, Brats is not pronounced brats like cats.
It is pronounced brats. I did not know this. You
are so it's like Brontwurst. I suppose. Yeah, that's where
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it's German. You are correct about Madison, Wisconsin. It is
the Berkeley of the Midwest. Ninety nine point nine percent
of the donations from UW Madison went to Democrats. Perhaps
the only conservative professor at the university is leaving. Wow.
This guy's twenty six years old. By the way, Matt.
He says that it's just like a commie enclave UW Madison,
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which people say is a beautiful town.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
But we're gonna be there for the Alabama Wisconsin game,
So I don't know what the Wisconsin fanbase is like.
I think that certainly the Alabama fan base is voting
for Trump over whelmingly. And I think our friend Derek
Hubdy is going to do a Senate related event surrounding
that game the.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Next campaign enator from Wisconsin. We hope joining our guy
Ron John. That would be like in basketball, they say
they've got an amazing backcourt. You know, that'd be at
a great duo for Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Sunday drop with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Christy in Colorado. What have you got first, Christy.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
Well, I wanted to let you know, first of all,
I have so much respect for the entire greatest generation,
no matter which theater they fought in. Now that said,
I do think it's really important to talk about the
men that came in on the beaches. But the paratroopers
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that my grandfather was in the eighty second and Hunter
and First they all jumped at the same time a
little after midnight on D Day, and I feel that's
really important to mention them because they're not always mentioned.
But the reason they went in first was to try
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to secure the area because the Nazis were already occupying
Saint Mary Gleice and some other French towns and bridges
and stuff. So long story short, my grandfather, Major of
Frederick Kellum, first Battalion a Company five o fifth PR.
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He and his men were the only ones that landed
on their DZ, which is the landing zone because of
the bad weather. Now it was not their objective, however,
they went to Saint Mary Greece and took that town first,
and my granddad picked one of his troops that spoke
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French to go through the town and let the townspeople
know that the Americans were there, but be very very
quiet since the Germans were I should say Nazis were
all around, which they were quiet.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
So anyway, my granddad and his men are the first
ones that took Saint Mary Glice.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yes, yeah, one hundred and first, Sorry cut you off
there a little bit.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
No, No, he was eighty second.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, right, but you sounded like you were about to
say one hundred first. I would encourage thank you for
the call everybody out there. Band of Brothers is a
not very long book. I know they turned it into
a mini series on HBO. If you have the time
Steven Ambrose's book Band of Brothers. What she is talking
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about her grandfather. This is one of the most remarkable
things when they the Band of Brothers, I believe one
hundred and first airborne. I'm not an expert on this
particular part of history, but.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I have read the book. Buck.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Most of those guys had never been in an airplane.
The very first time they went in an airplane, they
jumped out of it. Well, whoever you are right now
listening to us, think about how brave you have to
the first time you ever walked on an airplane when
you were five or six years old, or fifty or
sixty or however old you were. Can you imagine the
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very first time you went up in the sky jumping
out of it. That's what those guys did and the story.
I mean again, i'd encourage you to read the book,
but if you watch the movie or the television series,
you see what all those men were jumping into. In
the Band of Brothers television show, which I think did
a really good job of kind of giving you an
idea of what that visual would have been like for
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so many of those guys, and they landed in very
different places because so many people were getting shot at
weather was rough, they were jumping with a minse amounts
of weight in their in their packs. If you had buck,
given that it's the eightieth anniversary, if you had to
tell one suggested book or television show for maybe kids
or grandkids out there that aren't that familiar with World
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War Two, what would you suggest to the audience or
maybe some of the audience that just hasn't read.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I think, I mean, there's there's so many and and
you know, I think that a really good place to
start would be Keegan's one volume of the Second World War.
If you just want an overview, I think Hegan's First
World War and his Second World War histories are really excellent.
If you're talking about a show now in the Pacific Theater,
I feel like I've actually read more about the Pacific
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Theater all in than I have the European Theater. Obviously,
you have with the Old Breed, which is phenomenal, and
also what's the there's there's Eugene Sledge, his autobiography there's
with the Old Breed and there's Oh Helmet from My
Pillow is the other one, and they kind of combined
those for The Pacific. The HBO show The Pacific, they
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had elements of both of those autobiographies, if memory serves,
so those are really good. I actually think Letters from
Ewa Jima is very interesting that Clint Eastwood. I know
it's from the Japanese perspective, but it doesn't hold anything
back and it's I think that's a very interesting and
kind of under watched World War two movie. I found
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the Thin ren Line kind of meandering and disappointing and
a little self important just to be totally frank, so
I'm not a thin red line person. Stalingrad is excellent
an Enemy at the Gates. I think they do a
pretty good job in that movie of showing just the
scale and just the human carnage and everything that was
going on. Now, I know that's Nazis fighting the Soviets,
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but I'm just talking World War two stuff. How about you?
What's top of the World War two? Saving Private Ryan
is the best movie of all time. I think of
War probably period, and Band of Brothers is probably the
best show right.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
War yeah, but I would say two books that are
relatively easy reads, both by Steven Ambrose. I mentioned Band
of Brothers, which is what the show is based on.
If your kids are not great readers, maybe you can
get them in through the television show. But D Day
June sixth, nineteen forty four, which I believe came out
on the fiftieth anniversary basically of D Day, also by
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Steven Ambrose, is a pretty incredible read as well. I'm
well versed in Civil War. I read both of those,
really enjoyed them. They were not complicated, they were not overwhelming,
and most ages I think could read.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Them if you want something that Again, we're talking World
War two genre and not necessarily the specifics of America
and the European theater. It's in German, but it actually
makes it far more. It kind of hits harder because
of that downfall. It's a German language movie about Hitler
in the Bunker. Now many of you will have seen
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there are memes that are made based on a very
famous scene in the movie where essentially Hitler's top generals
are like it's over, dude, like we've lost you know,
and he goes completely nuts and people do this with
like their sports team that they're upset about or whatever.
But that comes from the movie Downfall, which is an
excellent World War two movie. For what it is, I
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can highly recommend. I mean, it's it's bleak. You know,
it's Hitler in the bunker. But the guy who plays Hitler,
I mean he looks and sounds just like Hitler. I mean,
the whole thing is pretty Do you know what I'm
talking about?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, I know, I know one hundred percent. The meme
you're talking about is everywhere anytime something goes bad, they
like meme it with Hitler, like throwing a fit from
that movie. The other one I was gonna recommend Patten.
Patten is a you know, sort of an old George C.
Scott plays Patten. Comes out at the opening of the
movie with a huge American flag behind him. I don't
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know Patten's life well enough to know how historically accurate
it is, so sometimes we get blown people like that's
not so. The movie itself is incredibly entertaining. I'm not
an expert enough on George Patten's career to be able
to tell you, hey, it does a really great job
of capturing everything that happened in World War Two. But
I will tell you that that movie is so well done.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
You know another one that I think is underappreciated for
what it was, Defiance with Daniel Craig, I thought was good.
And another one I thought Hacksaw Ridge was incredible. I
thought Hacksaw Ridge was an A plus movie and I
didn't think I was going to like it, and I
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was skeptical up until about thirty minutes into the movie.
And then you've seen it, right.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I've not seen it.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
That is crazy. You and the boys should watch.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Saw I'm literally writing it down right now, Hacksaw.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Hacksaw Ridge, and just trust me, don't bail in the beginning.
It's a little weird. You're like, what am I even
watch Hacksaw Ridge. It is one of the best World
War two movies I have ever seen. So check that
one out.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I just wrote it down. I'm going to check it out.
Bold reverence and occasionally random The Sunday hang with playing
Fuck podcast and it starts now.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
With the movies.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Here for a second, I I got to look at
where the movie theater stocks are because I got a
figure that it's going to be a tough time for
movie theaters going forward. It's when you add up all
that headache. First of all, the notion you have to
be somewhere at a certain set time even to watch
a movie. It's not a Broadway play like, it's not
quite the same kind of event. I remember back in
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the nineties early nineties going to a movie with my
family when it was first coming out, and it was
a big movie like the First Remember the the Michael
Keaton Batman. Oh that that was a huge movie when
that came out. I remember going to see Jurassic Park
with my parents and my whole family and seeing that
the Zigfeld Theater in New York City and the giant speakers,
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and that was so cool. Movies used to be an
experience that you couldn't replicate at all at home. Now
you can, and you don't have people talking. What is
it with people think that when the when the music
gets loud or the sound gets loud. You you could
start to do the loud whisper thing no no, no,
and pulling their phones out, and it's just it's you know,
(01:17):
I don't know. I don't. I don't go to I
don't go to movies anymore. I'm kind of out. I
watch movies. I just don't go to the movie theater anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I love going to the movie theater. And staff looked
this up and and and crew confirmed that I'm clearing
I still do though, you still do still want to
taking my boys like to go see a movie, love
the experience. Uh even today, I would still I was
one of the diehards that would still be willing to
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go to the movie when everybody else was convinced they
were gonna die of COVID. I couldn't wait for the
movie theaters to be back open. I think they opened
back up in like May or June where I am.
I was right back in the theater as soon as
I could be, even when they were showing old eighties
and nineties movies because they didn't have any new movies
to be able to watch. What was the was what
(02:06):
was the movie that came out that was like the
first movie to come back out after COVID. That was
a I know we had Top Gun Maverick, but the
the Interstellar guy, Uh didn't he come out with a movie?
Is an inception? Is that the movie that came out?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
No one who had It's It's Denzel Washington's son, and
it was about the theater getting taken over and it's
kind of a thriller and you could change. That was
the first real new release to come back out after COVID,
and I feel like that was I don't remember when
that came out, but I remember being super excited to
go see it.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I wanted to go this weekend buck.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I got my phone out, I pulled up the Fandango app.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
To fail. It's unbelievable how awful they were.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Tenant is the movie that you're ten of it. I
never saw. I know nothing about it. It's good, but
they're not making good movies anymore. But they're not making
good movies because the whole industry has changed. Because people
aren't paying twenty bucks a person to go sit in
the theater the way they used to. They want to
sit at home and stream it. That's just the reality.
My couch is so much more comfortable than a movie theater.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I want to be in the movie theater with really
good movies out again, like in the eighties and like
in the nineties.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
And I think that.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Hollywood has just destroyed itself by being more concerned with
politics than story. Just get back to telling me good stories.
That's all I want.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Sunday hang with Clay and Bucks.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Our friend Pete Hegseath joins us now. He is an
army veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan. He is the co
host of Fox and Friends Weekend, also a Fox Nation host.
He's got a book out, The War on Warriors, Behind
the Betrayal of the Men Who Keep Us Free. What's
going on, Pete, good to talk to you.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
What's up, guys, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yeah, of course, talk to us a little bit about
about the book and what what do people need to know?
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Well, folks need to know that, you know, without a
capable military, we're not free. And I joined and served
a military that I love, that was lethal, that was
based on meritocracy, that was existed for twenty years to
try as best it could to defeat extremism. And now
that very seem military is identifying people like me, and
I tell that specific story in.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
The book as extremists.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
So political ideologies have captured the top of our Pentagon,
and that's proliferated throughout the institution, and it's made our
ranks less accountable.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
It's lowered the standards.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
They're less prepared, commanders are walking on eggshells, and as
a result, they're less capable.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
And so it's not a good story book.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
And it's something that's not just a military, it's the CIA,
it's other institutions are facing this too, But it's something
that can be reversed, and I wanted to sound the
alarm on it now in the hopes that we can
write the ship.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
If we had to pete, thanks for coming on. If
we had to actually fight, let's say China invaded Taiwan,
let's say also basically.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Were into World War three.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Then, given what's already going on in Europe, what's already
going on in the Middle East, do you think our
military is capable of fighting a war like that right now?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Sad answer is probably no.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
Clay. You know, the Pentagon does war games all the time,
and they're wargaming against China with all these sophisticated models
and it has an undefeated record in the last decade
against China, we lose every time, and it's because China
is building a military. It's not that China's exceptional or amazing,
but they're building a military that is intended.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
To defeat US capabilities.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Whereas the military we have is more or less focused
on fighting the wars we just left and hasn't navigated back,
doesn't have the industrial base, doesn't have the forward thinking,
isn't recruiting sufficiently.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
And then doesn't have the warrior ethos.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
I mean, Clay, it matters what kind of generals you have,
what kind of tone they set, how those units integrate
together to become a team. Right now, the ethos is
inside our military. You hear all the time from these generals.
It's nonsense. Our diversity is our strength, what a bunch
of crap like, especially in uniform. Our unity is our strength.
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We all get the same training where camouflage and get
bad haircuts, and after that.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
You're not an individual anymore.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
You're a part of a unit that's supposed to work
operate as a team, and your differences are not what matter.
That is, when I've talked to dozens of guys dozens
actively serving, and they tell me the same thing. It's
creeping into units in a serious way that's undermining morale
and capabilities.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
We're speaking to Pete Hegsath. The book is The War
on Warriors. It's just out now, and Pete, we know
that there's this problem, and we've seen some of the wokeness,
you know, General Millie and all the stuff right, and
the books that are being assigned, and just lots of
stuff that's out there. I think our audience here is
(06:59):
very attune to that. How do we how does it
get fixed? Right? I mean other than just we wish
we had generals who didn't buy into this stuff. Well,
what can be done? I mean, how do you change
the ethos back to what it used to be of
an organization that's got a couple million people in it.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
There's a lot to that buck, for sure, but it
starts with a new commander in chief. Donald Trump said
it in our interview with him last weekend. You know,
I've got to firewoke generals. You got to have a
commander in chief that hires a Secretary of State that
will take or Secretary Defense that will take none of
this nonsense. A chairman of the joint chiefs. That sets
the tone some very key targeted firings of those that
were responsible for the CRT DEI stuff, the gender stuff
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that pushed through women in combat when the evidence showed
it wasn't going to be helpful. That are pushing the
green fleets in the electric tanks. You need to fire people,
and then you need to you need to change the
way promotions happen.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Careerism occurs.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
There's a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Then you got to go into the military academies. West
Point looks a lot more like Berkeley than it used to.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Civilian professors are everywhere, and their ideologies are similar to
what you see on civilian campuses.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
All that stuff's being taught to young officers. You have
to change that too. You have to outlaw CRT and DEI.
The army is a.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Top The military is a top down institution. When an
order goes out that things are going to change, it
usually gets followed and then you have to follow up
on it. But it can change more quickly than most institutions.
It probably will take more than one term. So it
would be Donald Trump and then his successor that would
have to be a part of changing it.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Talking to Pete Heggseth Pete. Tomorrow eightieth anniversary of D Day.
I believe it's also your forty fourth birthday. I don't
know if you've ever had I saw Will tweet that
he had taken his family and he had been able
to tour Normandy. I'm sure we'll talk about this some tomorrow.
I took my family. It's one of the most amazing
trips I've ever been to see that ground. Have you
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ever gotten to go to see the battlefield at Normandy
to see what it looks like? And if not, there
is there a place. I know you're a history guy too,
that you've gone and had an opportunity to visit that
to you sort of is emblematic of the history of
American excellence in the military.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Man, that's a.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Great question, Clay. I've never been. My wife got me
a surprise trip to go to Normandy right before COVID,
so that the whole plan got scrapped because I've always
wanted to go, and I've always wanted to see it,
and I saw what Will Kine put out and it's amazing.
Speak of Normandy, I mean, talk about General Eisenhower, as
you guys probably know famously wrote two letters, one if
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it succeeded and one if it failed, and if it failed,
he was prepared to take accountability and resign.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Where's that ethos in our military today? You know, we
took our kids.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
You probably know where this is at Clay the Nashville
National Cemetery, which is oh yeah, it's on I think
it's East Nashville. They had a ceremony this this past
Memorial Day weekend.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
And just taking kids any find any.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Cemetery like that, Few and far between are as large
as the one in Omaha Beach and at Normandy or
at Arlington. We just haven't walked through the crosses, walk
through the markers and look over the horizon and see
the cost of freedom. That affected me a ton as
a kid, and I think did the same for my
young young boys. I went to Gettysburg and that got
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me many years ago. Just pick a battlefield, go there
with someone that knows how it went down, and then
share it and it'll change you.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Pete, did you know that Clay went to Civil War
sleep away camp? This is true, no real thing. That's amazing. Yeah,
my wife says that she is.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
She never would have believed that she would have married
or certainly had kids with anyone who was willing to
go to Civil War.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Sleep away camp. I did.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I was after my junior year of high school at
Gettysburg College. They have something called the Civil War Institute,
or they used to, and I got a scholarship and
went there and stayed for a week. And my wife said,
you know, they gave scholarships like people actually competed and
competed for this, and yes, I got one and it
was amazing.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Clay, I want that scholarship from my kids. Send me
the info I want wid.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
We did the Shenandoah Valley Campaign of eighteen sixty four.
They have a different Civil War focus every year. It's
not just Gettysburg. And they took us on the bus
to it.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Like like going to this is like going to tuba
camp or something. It was super superhistory. They went to
a six week clarinet intensive. Hey, by the way, two
cute girls were also on. This was maybe the bigger
upset that there were too cute. I had an advantage
because I think the guys that were at Civil Wars
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play was.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Not a high not a high level of competition.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
That's to be sure speaking by the way of competition,
should we ask him? That's a perfect segue, Clay, Uh,
talk to me about this right before he came on, Pete,
has this challenge already been laid out?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Clay, I don't want to misrepresent.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I don't know the exact details. You and so you
played basketball at Princeton, right, let's set the table here.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yes, yep, Okay, you played basketball prince in which is
D one school IVY League, A D one school audience
is not gonna hold that against you. But uh, Clay
asked me, I'm just gonna say on your behalf, Pete.
He asked me, do you think that Pete right now
could could beat Caitlin Clark in one on one basketball?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Now?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I initially said, oh, yeah, no, I think I think
Pete will probably smoke her. But then Clay said, hold
on a second. If they're using the female sized ball,
which is a different size, and I didn't know Caitlin
Clark is six feet tall, she's about your size. Give
her take. Are you confident that Pete you could with
no training, no nothing. I mean we're talking. You take
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your Fox and Friends suit off and you put on
a basketball jersey. Do you think you could take Caitlin
Clark and all of America is listening right now?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Okay, in a.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Three point contest right now? No, in a three point
contest in my prime, it's a wash. Okay, one on
one in my prime, I smoker one on one right now,
it's it's a push. I don't know, but I'm using callig.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
How much?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Okay, let's pretend, all right, I let's say that I pete.
I said, Hey, I'm gonna put fifty thousand.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Dollars on this game.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
All right, you get fifty thousand dollars and you can
walk away, or you get one hundred thousand if you
beat her one on one?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Are you playing the game?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
To go for a hundred is a wret to so
no elbows?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, yeah, there's a wret. We got to legit one
on one.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Yeah, I'm playing the game, but I'm prepared to lose.
You know, I'm playing the game because I think I
have a shot, But I'm prepared. She is so good
and such a different kind of player. Those shots she
hits from that far out. How do you guard that
and guard the drive? You gotta get physical. You got
a body up. That would be I would be old
man's stress.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I said, he's got a box, he's got to box out,
he's got to go older.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
So you would you would go like old school NBA,
like Patrick Ewing and just slowly back back, or like
it might take ten seconds for you to take a shot,
but you're just gonna work your way inside.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Whatever it takes, whatever it takes. Clay, I just did.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
It's I don't know. I just I would try to
make some moves. But I feel like that would you.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Would you be a play body?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
You?
Speaker 4 (14:18):
You?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
You? So here's my thing.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I would be so afraid if I were you, not
of losing, because I think if you lost, people be like, hey,
Pete's you know, he's in his forties, she's twenty one
or twenty two, she's six feet she's the best women's
shooter in the game.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Here's what I'd be afraid of. I'd be afraid of
injuring myself, like tearing your acl.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Like that you tried to dunk, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, and you don't even get to finish the game,
and then it's like what doesn't even matter what the
score was at the time. It would go mega viral
if you, even if you just had a bad ankle
sprain or something, if you weren't able to finish the game.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
That's what I would be afraid, although I would.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Say can Park dunked on Pete, He'd never be able
to live it down.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
I recently played my thirty year old brother because he
declared it was the first time he thought he could
beat me finally, and he's never beat me. And I
beat him, but I almost died trying, and that would
be the case here.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I would die trying to play.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
This is funny you mentioned that because my middle son
is thirteen now. He's going to be fourteen in September,
but he's playing middle school basketball. He's pretty good. He's
not listening, so I say he's pretty good at bad basketball.
He's played travel, all this stuff. I played him recently
in the backyard and he got up like ten to nothing,
and you.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Played by basketball.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I'm curious, buck, I understand that this is going to
be borderline trash talk. He was talking trash to me
and I said, you need to shut up.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I slept with your mom, and I.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Felt bad that I had to legit play the I
slept with your mom line on my kid. But that's
an ultimate trash talk line. It's actually true in this case.
But he was running me, and I don't know how
much more time I have or I.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Can win the game.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
So do you get beat or do you just gallantly retire?
If your kids are starting to get better than you
at one on one basketball, you have.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
To play until they can beat you.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Legitimately, I will play as hard as I can to
the very end and take great pride in the day
when my kids beat me, and I will be okay
with that, but they.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Will have to earn it for sure.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
The book write a passage is the War on Warriors,
and Pete hegg Seth did not did not say that
he could necessarily beat Caitlin Clark. We thought we're gonna
bait you into saying you could smoke Caitlyn Clark one
on one.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I thought you told me that you could beat I.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
That was the three point contest. In three point contests,
I feel a boat in one on one.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I want to be very.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Clear about this book.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
I think I could. Maybe I'm not saying I would okay.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
To me because of the physicality.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Absolutely, yeah, oh man, oh that's all I like where
your head's at.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Pete.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Everybody go check out Pete's book, The War On Warriors
Behind the Betrail of the Men to Keep Us Free.
Great book out now, Pete egg Seth. Come back and
hang out with us soon.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Sundays with Clay and Buck. We're gonna go to the Alamo.
We got invited.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
We're going. We're gonna go to the Alamo. We've we've
were in touch with some people that are gonna help
make that happen. We're gonna have an Alamo visit. I
don't know, maybe we would do like a meet up
in a barbecue place nearby at the Alamo or something.
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is gonna be amazing, and.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
A light roast for people out there, and an organic blend.
We basically, I think I said this the Oday with
two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in coffee sales in
the first two months is unprecedented just by us saying hey,
go to Crocketcoffee dot com. But I think if you're
a subscriber, what we should do is when we visit
the Alamo, we should give people a couple of months
notice and say, hey, if you're a subscriber to Crockett Coffee,
(18:24):
you can come to San Antonio and you can check
out the Alamo with us and turn it into a
you know, the first meetup of Krockett Coffee subscribers at
the Alamo would make a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I love when when Clay they plans like large public
events in real time on radio with millions of people listening. Okay,
so we'll have to now we will pull the logistics together.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I just think I mean, look, we can all have coffee.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
We can go. San Antonio is a beautiful place. I
haven't been there in a very, very long time, but
I've been wanting to go back to the Alamo for
a while. So we could have a Clay and Buck
Alamo feel trip for our Crockett Coffee subscribers. I think
a lot of people would enjoy that.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I think it sounds great. We've got emails coming in,
so our subscribers at claimbuck dot com are fired up. Today.
Matt writes, Hey, fellas, keep up the great work. First
of all, Buck, Brats is not pronounced brats like cats.
It is pronounced brats. I did not know this. You
are so it's like Brontwurst. I suppose. Yeah, that's where
(19:25):
it's German. You are correct about Madison, Wisconsin. It is
the Berkeley of the Midwest. Ninety nine point nine percent
of the donations from UW Madison went to Democrats. Perhaps
the only conservative professor at the university is leaving. Wow.
This guy's twenty six years old. By the way, Matt.
He says that it's just like a commie enclave UW Madison,
(19:47):
which people say is a beautiful town.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
But we're gonna be there for the Alabama Wisconsin game,
So I don't know what the Wisconsin fanbase is like.
I think that certainly the Alabama fan base is voting
for Trump over whelmingly. And I think our friend Derek
Hubdy is going to do a Senate related event surrounding
that game the.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Next campaign enator from Wisconsin. We hope joining our guy
Ron John. That would be like in basketball, they say
they've got an amazing backcourt. You know, that'd be at
a great duo for Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Sunday drop with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Christy in Colorado. What have you got first, Christy.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
Well, I wanted to let you know, first of all,
I have so much respect for the entire greatest generation,
no matter which theater they fought in. Now that said,
I do think it's really important to talk about the
men that came in on the beaches. But the paratroopers
(20:48):
that my grandfather was in the eighty second and Hunter
and First they all jumped at the same time a
little after midnight on D Day, and I feel that's
really important to mention them because they're not always mentioned.
But the reason they went in first was to try
(21:09):
to secure the area because the Nazis were already occupying
Saint Mary Gleice and some other French towns and bridges
and stuff. So long story short, my grandfather, Major of
Frederick Kellum, first Battalion a Company five o fifth PR.
(21:34):
He and his men were the only ones that landed
on their DZ, which is the landing zone because of
the bad weather. Now it was not their objective, however,
they went to Saint Mary Greece and took that town first,
and my granddad picked one of his troops that spoke
(21:56):
French to go through the town and let the townspeople
know that the Americans were there, but be very very
quiet since the Germans were I should say Nazis were
all around, which they were quiet.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
So anyway, my granddad and his men are the first
ones that took Saint Mary Glice.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yes, yeah, one hundred and first, Sorry cut you off
there a little bit.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
No, No, he was eighty second.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, right, but you sounded like you were about to
say one hundred first. I would encourage thank you for
the call everybody out there. Band of Brothers is a
not very long book. I know they turned it into
a mini series on HBO. If you have the time
Steven Ambrose's book Band of Brothers. What she is talking
(22:54):
about her grandfather. This is one of the most remarkable
things when they the Band of Brothers, I believe one
hundred and first airborne. I'm not an expert on this
particular part of history, but.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I have read the book. Buck.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Most of those guys had never been in an airplane.
The very first time they went in an airplane, they
jumped out of it. Well, whoever you are right now
listening to us, think about how brave you have to
the first time you ever walked on an airplane when
you were five or six years old, or fifty or
sixty or however old you were. Can you imagine the
(23:30):
very first time you went up in the sky jumping
out of it. That's what those guys did and the story.
I mean again, i'd encourage you to read the book,
but if you watch the movie or the television series,
you see what all those men were jumping into. In
the Band of Brothers television show, which I think did
a really good job of kind of giving you an
idea of what that visual would have been like for
(23:53):
so many of those guys, and they landed in very
different places because so many people were getting shot at
weather was rough, they were jumping with a minse amounts
of weight in their in their packs. If you had buck,
given that it's the eightieth anniversary, if you had to
tell one suggested book or television show for maybe kids
or grandkids out there that aren't that familiar with World
(24:16):
War Two, what would you suggest to the audience or
maybe some of the audience that just hasn't read.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I think, I mean, there's there's so many and and
you know, I think that a really good place to
start would be Keegan's one volume of the Second World War.
If you just want an overview, I think Hegan's First
World War and his Second World War histories are really excellent.
If you're talking about a show now in the Pacific Theater,
I feel like I've actually read more about the Pacific
(24:42):
Theater all in than I have the European Theater. Obviously,
you have with the Old Breed, which is phenomenal, and
also what's the there's there's Eugene Sledge, his autobiography there's
with the Old Breed and there's Oh Helmet from My
Pillow is the other one, and they kind of combined
those for The Pacific. The HBO show The Pacific, they
(25:04):
had elements of both of those autobiographies, if memory serves,
so those are really good. I actually think Letters from
Ewa Jima is very interesting that Clint Eastwood. I know
it's from the Japanese perspective, but it doesn't hold anything
back and it's I think that's a very interesting and
kind of under watched World War two movie. I found
(25:27):
the Thin ren Line kind of meandering and disappointing and
a little self important just to be totally frank, so
I'm not a thin red line person. Stalingrad is excellent
an Enemy at the Gates. I think they do a
pretty good job in that movie of showing just the
scale and just the human carnage and everything that was
going on. Now, I know that's Nazis fighting the Soviets,
(25:47):
but I'm just talking World War two stuff. How about you?
What's top of the World War two? Saving Private Ryan
is the best movie of all time. I think of
War probably period, and Band of Brothers is probably the
best show right.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
War yeah, but I would say two books that are
relatively easy reads, both by Steven Ambrose. I mentioned Band
of Brothers, which is what the show is based on.
If your kids are not great readers, maybe you can
get them in through the television show. But D Day
June sixth, nineteen forty four, which I believe came out
on the fiftieth anniversary basically of D Day, also by
(26:24):
Steven Ambrose, is a pretty incredible read as well. I'm
well versed in Civil War. I read both of those,
really enjoyed them. They were not complicated, they were not overwhelming,
and most ages I think could read.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Them if you want something that Again, we're talking World
War two genre and not necessarily the specifics of America
and the European theater. It's in German, but it actually
makes it far more. It kind of hits harder because
of that downfall. It's a German language movie about Hitler
in the Bunker. Now many of you will have seen
(27:00):
there are memes that are made based on a very
famous scene in the movie where essentially Hitler's top generals
are like it's over, dude, like we've lost you know,
and he goes completely nuts and people do this with
like their sports team that they're upset about or whatever.
But that comes from the movie Downfall, which is an
excellent World War two movie. For what it is, I
(27:22):
can highly recommend. I mean, it's it's bleak. You know,
it's Hitler in the bunker. But the guy who plays Hitler,
I mean he looks and sounds just like Hitler. I mean,
the whole thing is pretty Do you know what I'm
talking about?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, I know, I know one hundred percent. The meme
you're talking about is everywhere anytime something goes bad, they
like meme it with Hitler, like throwing a fit from
that movie. The other one I was gonna recommend Patten.
Patten is a you know, sort of an old George C.
Scott plays Patten. Comes out at the opening of the
movie with a huge American flag behind him. I don't
(27:54):
know Patten's life well enough to know how historically accurate
it is, so sometimes we get blown people like that's
not so. The movie itself is incredibly entertaining. I'm not
an expert enough on George Patten's career to be able
to tell you, hey, it does a really great job
of capturing everything that happened in World War Two. But
I will tell you that that movie is so well done.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
You know another one that I think is underappreciated for
what it was, Defiance with Daniel Craig, I thought was good.
And another one I thought Hacksaw Ridge was incredible. I
thought Hacksaw Ridge was an A plus movie and I
didn't think I was going to like it, and I
(28:38):
was skeptical up until about thirty minutes into the movie.
And then you've seen it, right.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I've not seen it.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
That is crazy. You and the boys should watch.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Saw I'm literally writing it down right now, Hacksaw.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Hacksaw Ridge, and just trust me, don't bail in the beginning.
It's a little weird. You're like, what am I even
watch Hacksaw Ridge. It is one of the best World
War two movies I have ever seen. So check that
one out.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I just wrote it down. I'm going to check it out.
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