September 29, 2024 • 28 mins
Buck makes good on his bet. Matt Walsh asks, “Am I a racist?” Two normal moms, Karol and Mary Katharine.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Bold reference and occasionally random. The Sunday Hang with Clay
and Buck podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It starts now.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
We made a pilgrimage to Poppy Steak last night. Yes,
Clay won his bet, and I'm a man who pays
his debts, pays his bets, and so we went for
the most outrageous steak we could possibly find. It was
actually delicious. And if you want to see the video,
it's already over a million views on on on Twitter.
(00:30):
But go to clayanbuck dot com. We've got the video.
It's a lot of fun. It trusts me'll you'll giggle,
you'll laugh, You'll have some fun with it.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I want to give Buck credit if you have not
seen the video. Buck paid off his bet that Joe
Biden was going to be the nominee.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
I said he wasn't.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
As you well know, Buck island covered in It's now
Atlantis left for the ages.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I'm still angry because I did say that it would
be Kamala if not Joe, but I did not work
that in to the bet officially in the fine print.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
So you pay the price, my friend. The price was paid.
Last night.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
We went out to a fabulous dinner in Miami Beach,
if you have seen the video, you are one of
Now we can say millions of people who have watched
that video.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
It is.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
It's amazing how many people credit to Buck's lovely wife Carrie,
who took that video. And you can see that we
probably found a way to order a steak in the
most ostentatious manner imaginable anywhere in the country. Poppy steak
down here. I guarantee you that it will put a
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smile on your face. It's up at Clay and Buck.
You can go on x slash Twitter find at Clay Travis,
at Buck Sexton if you want to see that and
you want to have a laugh at the show that
they put on when they bring out the steak. Trust me,
it is quite the scene and I encourage you all
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to check it out. But credit to Buck for paying
his debts associated with the stake.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Sunday Hay with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
You know, I watched Am I Racist just a few
days ago and really enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Watch it with my wife Carrie.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Thought it was really fun and we love to see
people from our side of just the view of life,
if you will, not just the right, but just people
that see the world through rationalize to make creative content.
And Matt Walsh is with us now. He is from
the Daily Wire, the Matt wallsh Show. His movie Am
(02:40):
I Racist?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Is in theaters.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
It is super funny and Matt did a great job. Matt,
appreciate you making the time for us. Let's start with
I'm noticing a trend, Matt, which is everyone that I
speak to or see who has seen the movie thinks
it's really well done, really clever, really funny. And yet
(03:03):
so the Rotten Tomatoes for the fans or for the audience,
I should say, very strong, but I feel like you're
getting a little frozen out by some of the mainstream critics.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, very completely frozen out in fact.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
So as it stands right now, we did just finally
get an official Rotten Tomatoes Tomato rating because we got
to ten reviews from the critics, and it's right now
it's good.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I think we're sitting at eighty percent. But those are
all independent.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Reviewers who we really appreciate the fact that they reviewed
the film. We have yet to have a single critic
film critic from a mainstream publication review the film, which
I think is, if not unprecedented. It certainly is extremely
uncommon that you would have a top five theatrically widely
released film that is not reviewed at all by any
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mainstream publication even a week after release. I can't think
of another example of this happening.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I mean, is it just there, Matt, Is it that
they're they're they're too sorry, just they're too scared to
even You would think that they could just review it
and trash it, right, like that's what the commis would
usually do. But are they just too scared to even
say anything about it or bring attention to it.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
I think that's it, because you're right, we're very used
to seeing the Rotten Tomatoes thing, where it's like a
thirty five percent critics score and a ninety percent audience score.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
That's usually what they do.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
They just go in and trash the film because it's
made by someone they don't like. In this case, they
won't even do that, and so I can only assume
it's because they don't want to acknowledge. You know, we
are we are exposing the DEI grift, and if they
acknowledge the film, they're acknowledging sort of that exposure, and
they don't want to do that. And also I'm very biased,
of course, but I think it's a good movie, and
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it's gonna be harder for them to pretend that it's
just a total piece of garbage. You'll have to they'll
have to give it, like I think they have to
give a sum credit if they review it, and they
don't want to do that because they're worried that their
audience will rip them to shreds if they don't rip
us to shreds.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So that's kind of a buying that they're in.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I guess Matt appreciate you coming on. This is Clay
your seat mate on the most recent flight I bet
you took to La Matt and I ended up sitting
side by side coming back to Nashville. So and on Monday,
I went to go see this last week. And here's
the best compliment I can give for people who have
not seen the movie. Am I racist that Matt Walsh
made your performance? And I'm not even trying to pump
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you up here. As I was watching it, it felt
both Sasha Baron Cohen and Larry David esque in that
there was a lot of cringe humor right, which would
be very common with Larry David, But also in the
same way, back when the Barrat movies were doing their heyday,
you allowed people to expose themselves merely by almost acting
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as a mirror to reflect them. I'm curious when you
were making the movie, did you think about either of
those guys as people who had done some thing that
you were similarly trying to do? Part one, Part two?
How do you keep a straight face for all this?
Were there elements of this movie where you broke down
and started to laugh? Is there an out take version?
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Or you just uniquely skilled that deadpan comedy.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
And I appreciate that. Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Sitting next to you on the plane, You're the first
person in twenty years I've sat next to on a
plane who was reading a physical newspaper. So that was
that was an interesting experience, which I respect a lot, by.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
The way, and you know, yes we did.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
I always appreciate the comparisons to Borat Larry David.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I mean, the these are comic geniuses.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
So even if they are far to the left and
we don't agree politically at all, but they're using a
style of humor a Sasher Baron calling in particular, using
a style of comedy that to this point the right
has not made use of. And but the thing is
that the left isn't really using it either. I mean,
you could go back, yeah, you go back to Borat
the first one, the only funny one. Even early John
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Stewart Daily showed a lot of this kind of thing,
and they've really gotten away from it too.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
So I think it sort of opens up.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
There's a wide open market here to come in, and
that's what we're trying to do in terms of maintaining
the dead pan. The honest truth is that I wasn't
very tempted to laugh in the moment, because in the moment,
in real time, when you're in the room with these people,
they are so aggressively unpleasant and quite ugly in the
way that they approach life and the things that they're saying,
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that the temptation is less to laugh and more to
like yell at them and start arguing with them, which
was very much my instinct that I had to hold
back on that.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
We're speaking of Matt Walsh. He has the movie Am
I Racist?
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Out now.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Clay and I have both seen it highly recommend that
you will enjoy it, and I do Matt, if I may,
you know you were talking about critics before. I have
one one point of criticism that I wanted to address
with you directly here on the show, and it's when
you made the decision to go undercover.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
And my wife and I looked at each other. We
had the same thought, Matt.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
If you shaved your beard, you could become Biden's White
House Press secretary, like nobody would know who Matt Walsh
is Son's beard. Was there a consideration for going full
deep cover here of shaving the beard or is that
just like Samson's hair, the temple falls around you. You
can't do it because.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
The man bun.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I mean, you still look like Matt Walsh with the
man bun, but without that beard.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Dude, I don't know. I don't think. I don't think
anybody would know we did.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
We sat around in a conference room having a long
conversation about this is what my job entails, sitting around
the conference room having a very serious professional dialogue about
what costume I should wear. And it was suggested by
multiple people in the room that hey, if I just
shaved the beard, but that I shut that down immediately,
that's awf the that I'm willing to do a lot
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of things to expose the left.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I think I've shown that I draw the line there.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I cannot do that, and I cannot force you know what,
I can't force my wife and children to live with
me beardless. They wouldn't allow me to do it. They
would run in terror if I walk in the home
without a beard. So I just I can't. I couldn't
do it. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Matt.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Any movie or book or anything that you try to make,
where you're creating something you're not really sure how it's
going to turn out. In the process of being in
the middle of it, that that creative spark, however you
want to describe it, Sometimes it comes through and you're like, man,
this book's gonna come out perfectly. I'm curious. The movie
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is fantastic. Again, I would encourage people to go watch it.
It's really funny, and it's on a lot of theaters
out there. Right now we should have mentioned so you
can go see it in your state, your communities, you
can look it up. At what point, as you're making
the movie, did you think to yourself, Okay, we've got
something here. I think this is going to be really good.
Was there a moment, was there a scene, Was there
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something that worked better than you anticipated? When was that
moment for you? In the midst of the making of
this movie.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I can tell you exactly where that moment was.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
It was Robin di Angelo, the Robin d Angelo scene,
and which the spoilers are everywhere now anyway, so there's
no point in hiding the fact that we you know,
we did get Robin d Angelo, and we convinced her
to pay reparations to my black producer on camera, among
other exercises that we had her do with me. And
when we got that we actually did that somewhat early
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on in filming, and after we got that scene, we
knew that, okay, we have a movie here. I mean,
even if we get nothing else, this alone justifies the
existence of the film. And fortunately we got a lot
more than that, but that was certainly that was the
moment we all looked at each other and said, all right,
I guess we have a movie.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I actually got to tell you something, Matt. I break
with some of the consensus here because my favorite part
of the movie is actually the beginning, like the beginning
of the movie, when you're at the when you're having
like the DEI seminar and that lady and the guy
gets mad at you and you said you didn't consent
to be touched.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
That's that's one of my favorite parts.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But also the fact that they call the police on you, Well,
on what basis were they calling the police on you?
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Well, apparently I made them feel unsafe. You hear the
girl in that scene, the woman say that she doesn't
feel safe, which is really funny because not only was
I not being aggressive or hostile, but I was actually
my sin in that group was I was too eager
a participant. I was so eager to be a part
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of this and just starting my journey that and yet
still they somehow felt they felt unsafe.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
But by the way, I actually are.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
My own personal favorite scene in the movie is that
the opening workshop scene. Maybe it's just, you know, the
opportunity to antagonize those people for two hours was just
a lot of a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
So I really liked that scene.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I also liked it, and again we're given some spoilers talking
to Matt Walsh the movies, Am I racist? The local
news segment, the Good Morning Utah or whatever it was,
I mean, I really lost it on that they didn't
do like the basic amount of research. But I'm just
curious on the making, how many local news broadcasts did
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you guys have to reach out to to get the
interviews that you did and were there, because I also
think it's really funny if you happened to be a
Daily Wire fan or a Matt Walsh fan and Good
Morning Utah, whatever the heck it was was on. Did
anybody clip those and share them? Did you see it
get like yourself getting tagged. I'm really kind of fascinated
(12:34):
how that happened because it's kind of a giveaway of
what's going on potentially. Did people just never know that
that happened, or were you concerned that that might get
out virally and help kind of make it clear what
you were doing. I'm curious how that segment of the
movie went.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Yeah, we assumed, we assumed when we did that it
would be out that the next day it's going to
be all over Twitter. So we just went into it
with that assumption, and I was shocked that that didn't happen.
I mean, I got a few emails from people who
happened to be watching these various news segments saying got
some funny emails like was that I'm pretty sure I
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just saw you in a man bun on my local news,
But was that actually you? And I just ignored the emails,
so I don't. I don't know why that didn't end
up on the internet. I guess it's providential. But the
truth is that of all the things we did, that
was the easiest to set up. I mean, these local
news channels did like zero due diligence. We didn't even
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give them my last name. We just said that like,
I'm Matt, the DEI guy or whatever, and that was
the ancher to me that way. They didn't even ask
my last name at any point, which was pretty reminded.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Did the anchors figure it out like by the end
or are they still like Matt? That was great, like
thanks for decentering our whiteness.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
I think that the ones in Utah, the ones where
I was in person, I could tell because that was
a longer secon and obviously.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Then what appears in the movie.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
And by the end of that conversation they were kind
of looking at each other like this is something's not
right here. But they had to, you know, they were
professionals about it. I'll give them that. They just went with it,
and then I finished my interview and I left.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I put by the way.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
One of the ways I got in there is I
was wearing a COVID mask behind the scenes, and I
wore that right until the cameras came on, so that
if they did recognize me, it would happen on camera.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So I didn't do that to disguise myself.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I only did it for safety because I was really
concerned about my safety and everyone else is.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Of course, I want to give you guys credit at
the Daily Wire because I was in Lady Ballers. I
have a small role this movie now too. But I've
talked with a lot of the guys and gals that
work over there, and I think many people out there
listening to us right now, this is really going to register.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
With them too.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Starting at about twoenty ten, movies just stopped being funny.
There has not been a real I mean, there were
tons in the early two thousand. You can go back
and watch whatever you think of the politics, Super Bad.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Old School.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
You know, we can run through a long list of
forty year old virgin of movies that were made that
were actually very funny, everybody could go and watch and
laugh at them, and then they just stopped. And I'm
curious what you would attribute that to. But to your point,
it creates a huge marketplace for opportunity, right for actually
movies that just want to make people laugh.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, I think it is.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
It's fascinating to me just as a matter of kind
of history, that it seems there's a real cutoff point
about twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen is the last time
you see real comedies from Hollywood, and then it really,
as you said, it's stopped for about ten years. I
don't know what exactly the attribute to that too. I
think that you know, Trump came on the scene a
couple of years after that, and that helped to kill
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comedy from the left. And one of the reasons is
that they're so angry and they considered Trump to be
such an existential threat that it was almost like, well,
we can't do common anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It's not serious enough.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Political satire in particular from the left, I think dropped
off after that because it wasn't serious enough.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
And anytime they talk about Trump, they have to.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Seriously convey that he's a threat to democracy and all
this nonsense, and so they started to take themselves way
too seriously, and in an odd sort of way, they
started to take their opponents too seriously too. And I
think that that is what has created this this vacuum
that you know, the Babylon Bee has been doing it
for a while, but I think there's a lot more
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we could be doing on the right to come in
and sort of fill that vacuum, because if they don't
want to be funny, like hey, it's let's do it.
Because comedy is a it is a it's a very
disarming thing. It's like kind of a universal language. If
you can make people laugh, then you made them laugh.
And and whether you're leftist or conservative, it's a way
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to kind of convey a message to to everybody.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
The movie is am I Racist. You should go check
it out. It's right wide release in theaters. People can
just look on their localistings.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Absolutely or you can go to Amiracist dot com to
get tickets.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Matt, great work man, Clynn, I really enjoyed it. Thanks
for coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Thanks guys, appreciate it. Sundays with Clay and.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Buck, we have Carol Markowitz and Mary Catherine Ham joining
us now to talk about the launch of their new podcast,
which they're hosting together Normally and my understanding, ladies, and
I'll just because we're on radio, I'll try to clarify.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
We'll start with you Carol. We'll get to you Mary
in a second.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
My understanding is you're going to talk about stuff, it's
not just politics, and a lot of the moms listening
across America will want to hear what you gots have
to say.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
You know, we're not exclusive to moms. Dads are welcome,
you know, clay S best release The Childless Cat people
are welcome. Everyone's welcome to our Normally podcast. It's going
to be normal conversation from normal people from normal people, and.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
That's our goal there, I think is super important, and
we're excited to have this debut tomorrow as part of
the Clay and Buck podcast network. Mary Katherine Ham, I'll
bring you in and I would encourage you guys to
follow Carol Markowitz and Mary Katherine Ham on social media
because I think you guys are really going to enjoy
these conversations. I've talked with both of you guys, and
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I feel like the mom perspective is actually underrepresented in
terms of just sort of the common sense universe. I
think Megan Kelly has done a good job speaking to
moms out there, and to Carroll's point, when to talk
to you guys are talking to everybody. But as I
think collectively the moms of seven kids, I think I
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got that right. You can correct me if I'm wrong
on the on the numbers there, what do you think
is not being shared and what audience do you think
is not really being reflected in media?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Do you buy into to that my thesis there?
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Yeah, I think that, look, we are different from a
lot of political elites, particularly those who are elected to
office national office, and that we like you know, buy
groceries regularly and drive our kids around to activities and
feel the pain of having to make those decisions in
this time of inflation. And I feel like there are
a lot of people who are not as connected to that.
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And I joke that we're sort of normy adjacent because
we're not exactly normal, because we pay a lot of
attention to the news, but we can be useful to
people who are normy because we can filter all that
news and talk about it normally, which is the idea.
But I think, look, the inflation problems, the economy, immigration
and safety issues.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
These are all things that moms, suburban women care about.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Right.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
It's a really important demo, and there is some attempt
to speak to it. Child Care costs is another thing.
But I think people get so bogged down in the
regular politics of the day and are not able to
just have a conversation with otherwise normy moms about things
that are affecting their lives. So we hope that we
can do that and sort of filter out some of
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the heightened emotion that many cable news outlets bring to
the to the table, which I had to deal with
when I was at CNN, and just like, let's actually
examine these.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Things, you know, Carol.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Over the weekend I was seeing I saw a few
different friends here in South Florida, and and it's funny
because you know, you know what they all are talking about,
not so much the election. They're all talking about how.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Puff daddy he diddy.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Sean Combe is in prison and being held, you know,
without bail until he's until his trial. And I can't
even really say on the radio, like what's in all
of these articles because of some of the material and
stuff that they have found, But do you find that
this here's the sort of the thesis that was being brought
up to me speaking of like what more normal folks
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are in considered in other than just the polls, is
that Sean Combs isn't just a guy who made a
lot of money in the music industry. He was celebrated
by name somebody who's really big and powerful in the
culture and in pop politics in this country. And yet
he had been arrested or almost arrested, I should say
almost arrested, but alleged to have been involved in crimes many,
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many times.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Over the years.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
What does this say about the culture that this guy
was able to get away with what he got away
with as long as he did, And now all of
a sudden, everyone's like, oh, I've never seen him before.
He was like sitting at Anna Winter's table at the
met gala.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
For people who watch this stuff.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Yeah, Well, it's funny because Mary Catherine and I talk
about this, how when a scandal breaks like Harvey Weinstein,
everyone's like, oh, everybody knew, everybody knew, And this time
it's kind of like, oh, no, I had no idea
about p Diddy, that this is new information you have
presented me with.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
It's an interesting.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Story because he has been so in the limelight for
so long. I mean, I see him as the guy
who ruined many Biggie Smalls albums by inserting his into
all of his songs.
Speaker 8 (21:55):
He is somebody who put you know, a lot.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Of young rappers on the map. Basically, he has a
lot of people who owe him, so it's interesting to
watch his decline. Of course, you also mentioned or in
passing with the story of the gun and the club
with Jennifer Lopez and his passenger See and then another
whapper Shine went away for that crime, and the rumor
always was that he did he paid him a million
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dollars for it. All of this kind of stuff has
been around for a long time, so it's interesting to
watch him actually get kind of pegged.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
On this.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Interesting choice of words.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Mary Catherine Buck and I were talking last night at
dinner that based on what happened to Epstein, the puff
Daddy story, p Diddy, whatever you want to call him,
it feels very epstein esque and whatever you think, the
idea that Epstein in an area that's supposed to be
super secure, the video is not running. The security guard
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falls asleep, suddenly he kills himself. There were a lot
of allegations about video and who was involved. It seems
like there are potentially a ton of celebrities involved. Oh
they're not giving Didty a bail? Do you see an
overlap here potentially with Epstein and Ditty in terms of
maybe what happened to Epstein, but also the celebrity involvement
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and maybe some different blackmail involved also. I mean, I
see these stories as very much connected.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
One overlap is that I'm afraid to read the indictment
because it sounds so disgusting, So I gotta.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
Steal myself for that.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Two.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
Yeah, my smart friend Emily's Natti, also a great mom
of three, called it Epstein for millennials because we know
all these figures. And one thing on the mom front
that strikes me about all these stories is particularly with
celebrities and celebrity kids, wonder Can singers.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
And the like.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
You know, Usher was friends with Diddy at thirteen.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
Bieber's in there doing stuff with him very young, and
that worries me and it makes me think for my front,
talking to my kids about like why can't we be
on YouTube? And it's like, well, this is why you
will never have a path to any mogul's house ever
while you are in my care And I think that's
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something that lights up for people in this demographic when
you look at these types of stories.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
And to Carol's point, one.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
Of the things we'd like to talk about on the
podcast is things that everyone did know that the media
ignores for two years until they can safely tell the
story later.
Speaker 8 (24:35):
That is messed up to me. It's something that normal people.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Clock early, but the elites will not sort of let
it be talked about, and I think that's wrong.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Speaking to Carol Markwitz and Mary Catherine Ham their new podcast, normally,
when's the first episode Guys Tomorrow comes out tomorrow? Right now,
So now is a great time to subscribe to the
clay In Book podcast network. We all also have a
John Parnell and Lisa Booth and other friends of ours
who are doing great shows. But this normally show getting
(25:05):
a lot of a lot of hype online. Some people
are saying like probably going to be amazing, probably gonna
set download records, and and Caeryl, I feel like this
is also part of a of a of a broader conversation,
which is I understand that people can say like, oh, like,
don't subscribe to Netflix and don't engage in the culture.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Uh, if it's going to be left wing.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
And all this other stuff, But there also needs to
be a culture for normal people, right. It can't just
be walling yourself off from whether it's like the Sean
Combs P.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Diddy stuff of.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
The world that's in the news cycle and you know,
not wanting to be you know, have that enter your consciousness.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
But also we have to create content of our own.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
You know.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Again, this is not to flatter you guys, but I
think that you guys do this so well where you
speak to normal people and they feel like they know you,
and they feel like you guys are friends, and you're
not screaming at them, we're saying crazy things. Where now
we're going to take a page out of that book
and hopefully do the same on normally for you know,
(26:06):
a similar audience. So I love what you guys do,
and I think that that is exactly right. We need
to engage people on the right in culture, and we
need to have conversations, and we need to produce content,
and we need to do all of that and not
just leave them kind of hanging and say, you know,
boycott this and boycott that.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Mary Catherine, I'm going down to Tuscaloosa, Alabama, speaking of
normally normally to watch your Georgia Bulldogs play against Alabama.
I want to get your take on what you expect
to happen in the game. But my thesis here, and
I may be completely wrong. We'll see whether I'm right
or wrong, is that college football fans, football fans in general,
(26:49):
loom extra large in the battleground states. Your state of
Georgia where you are right now, North Carolina. Condolences to
North Carolina and NC State who both got abs obliterated,
and you still have to root for the Carolina Panthers.
But then you've got the big ten states, Wisconsin where
I just was a couple of weeks ago, Michigan, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
What's going to happen Georgia, Bama. Do you buy into
me that.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Quote unquote the normal football fan of America, which I
think it's fair to say Kamala tried to appeal to
with Walls, is going to break Trump pretty significantly over Kamala.
I'm curious how you would break that down.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
Look, I do think that's true, and I think this
is a gap in understanding for a lot of people
in Washington and a lot of people in sort of
elite media that don't understand how important football is to
so very many people in this country and have some
trouble relating to it. There are a few people who
maybe went to an SEC school and get it, but
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they're few and far between. So I think you're right
that this is sort of a normy voter block right
of huge football fans. That's why Trump is going to
try to go to this game.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Is is he's still going? I think they were working.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, I understand he's going to be there. Yes, My
understanding is they're going to He's going to be in
the stadium. He's going to be at this game, which is,
for those of you who are not football fans, the
biggest college football game of the year so far. It's
going to be a massive earthquake like style game. Right,
So this is why he's going.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
And as far as what's going to happen, I know
for sure that I will be extremely nervous, and I
don't know if I could handle being there in person.
I would gladly take a ticket, but I don't know
if I can handle it, I will be at my house, cozy,
trying to deal with my nerves.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
We have a bit of a we have a great program.
Speaker 7 (28:35):
Under Kirby Smart and a little bit of a mental
block for many years with taking on Alabama. Almost every
time we take them on, so I'm always concerned.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Ladies laid out good luck to you with the podcast
coming out tomorrow. Normally I think you should normally be
listening to it. Check it out, Mary, Katherine Ham and
Carol Markowitz. Thanks ladies, thank you so much.
Bold reference and occasionally random. The Sunday Hang with Clay
and Buck podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It starts now.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
We made a pilgrimage to Poppy Steak last night. Yes,
Clay won his bet, and I'm a man who pays
his debts, pays his bets, and so we went for
the most outrageous steak we could possibly find. It was
actually delicious. And if you want to see the video,
it's already over a million views on on on Twitter.
(00:30):
But go to clayanbuck dot com. We've got the video.
It's a lot of fun. It trusts me'll you'll giggle,
you'll laugh, You'll have some fun with it.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I want to give Buck credit if you have not
seen the video. Buck paid off his bet that Joe
Biden was going to be the nominee.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
I said he wasn't.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
As you well know, Buck island covered in It's now
Atlantis left for the ages.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I'm still angry because I did say that it would
be Kamala if not Joe, but I did not work
that in to the bet officially in the fine print.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
So you pay the price, my friend. The price was paid.
Last night.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
We went out to a fabulous dinner in Miami Beach,
if you have seen the video, you are one of
Now we can say millions of people who have watched
that video.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
It is.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
It's amazing how many people credit to Buck's lovely wife Carrie,
who took that video. And you can see that we
probably found a way to order a steak in the
most ostentatious manner imaginable anywhere in the country. Poppy steak
down here. I guarantee you that it will put a
(01:39):
smile on your face. It's up at Clay and Buck.
You can go on x slash Twitter find at Clay Travis,
at Buck Sexton if you want to see that and
you want to have a laugh at the show that
they put on when they bring out the steak. Trust me,
it is quite the scene and I encourage you all
(01:59):
to check it out. But credit to Buck for paying
his debts associated with the stake.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Sunday Hay with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
You know, I watched Am I Racist just a few
days ago and really enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Watch it with my wife Carrie.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Thought it was really fun and we love to see
people from our side of just the view of life,
if you will, not just the right, but just people
that see the world through rationalize to make creative content.
And Matt Walsh is with us now. He is from
the Daily Wire, the Matt wallsh Show. His movie Am
(02:40):
I Racist?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Is in theaters.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
It is super funny and Matt did a great job. Matt,
appreciate you making the time for us. Let's start with
I'm noticing a trend, Matt, which is everyone that I
speak to or see who has seen the movie thinks
it's really well done, really clever, really funny. And yet
(03:03):
so the Rotten Tomatoes for the fans or for the audience,
I should say, very strong, but I feel like you're
getting a little frozen out by some of the mainstream critics.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, very completely frozen out in fact.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
So as it stands right now, we did just finally
get an official Rotten Tomatoes Tomato rating because we got
to ten reviews from the critics, and it's right now
it's good.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I think we're sitting at eighty percent. But those are
all independent.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Reviewers who we really appreciate the fact that they reviewed
the film. We have yet to have a single critic
film critic from a mainstream publication review the film, which
I think is, if not unprecedented. It certainly is extremely
uncommon that you would have a top five theatrically widely
released film that is not reviewed at all by any
(03:56):
mainstream publication even a week after release. I can't think
of another example of this happening.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I mean, is it just there, Matt, Is it that
they're they're they're too sorry, just they're too scared to
even You would think that they could just review it
and trash it, right, like that's what the commis would
usually do. But are they just too scared to even
say anything about it or bring attention to it.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
I think that's it, because you're right, we're very used
to seeing the Rotten Tomatoes thing, where it's like a
thirty five percent critics score and a ninety percent audience score.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
That's usually what they do.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
They just go in and trash the film because it's
made by someone they don't like. In this case, they
won't even do that, and so I can only assume
it's because they don't want to acknowledge. You know, we
are we are exposing the DEI grift, and if they
acknowledge the film, they're acknowledging sort of that exposure, and
they don't want to do that. And also I'm very biased,
of course, but I think it's a good movie, and
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it's gonna be harder for them to pretend that it's
just a total piece of garbage. You'll have to they'll
have to give it, like I think they have to
give a sum credit if they review it, and they
don't want to do that because they're worried that their
audience will rip them to shreds if they don't rip
us to shreds.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So that's kind of a buying that they're in.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I guess Matt appreciate you coming on. This is Clay
your seat mate on the most recent flight I bet
you took to La Matt and I ended up sitting
side by side coming back to Nashville. So and on Monday,
I went to go see this last week. And here's
the best compliment I can give for people who have
not seen the movie. Am I racist that Matt Walsh
made your performance? And I'm not even trying to pump
(05:28):
you up here. As I was watching it, it felt
both Sasha Baron Cohen and Larry David esque in that
there was a lot of cringe humor right, which would
be very common with Larry David, But also in the
same way, back when the Barrat movies were doing their heyday,
you allowed people to expose themselves merely by almost acting
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as a mirror to reflect them. I'm curious when you
were making the movie, did you think about either of
those guys as people who had done some thing that
you were similarly trying to do? Part one, Part two?
How do you keep a straight face for all this?
Were there elements of this movie where you broke down
and started to laugh? Is there an out take version?
(06:12):
Or you just uniquely skilled that deadpan comedy.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
And I appreciate that. Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Sitting next to you on the plane, You're the first
person in twenty years I've sat next to on a
plane who was reading a physical newspaper. So that was
that was an interesting experience, which I respect a lot, by.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
The way, and you know, yes we did.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
I always appreciate the comparisons to Borat Larry David.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I mean, the these are comic geniuses.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
So even if they are far to the left and
we don't agree politically at all, but they're using a
style of humor a Sasher Baron calling in particular, using
a style of comedy that to this point the right
has not made use of. And but the thing is
that the left isn't really using it either. I mean,
you could go back, yeah, you go back to Borat
the first one, the only funny one. Even early John
(06:58):
Stewart Daily showed a lot of this kind of thing,
and they've really gotten away from it too.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
So I think it sort of opens up.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
There's a wide open market here to come in, and
that's what we're trying to do in terms of maintaining
the dead pan. The honest truth is that I wasn't
very tempted to laugh in the moment, because in the moment,
in real time, when you're in the room with these people,
they are so aggressively unpleasant and quite ugly in the
way that they approach life and the things that they're saying,
(07:26):
that the temptation is less to laugh and more to
like yell at them and start arguing with them, which
was very much my instinct that I had to hold
back on that.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
We're speaking of Matt Walsh. He has the movie Am
I Racist?
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Out now.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Clay and I have both seen it highly recommend that
you will enjoy it, and I do Matt, if I may,
you know you were talking about critics before. I have
one one point of criticism that I wanted to address
with you directly here on the show, and it's when
you made the decision to go undercover.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
And my wife and I looked at each other. We
had the same thought, Matt.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
If you shaved your beard, you could become Biden's White
House Press secretary, like nobody would know who Matt Walsh
is Son's beard. Was there a consideration for going full
deep cover here of shaving the beard or is that
just like Samson's hair, the temple falls around you. You
can't do it because.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
The man bun.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I mean, you still look like Matt Walsh with the
man bun, but without that beard.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Dude, I don't know. I don't think. I don't think
anybody would know we did.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
We sat around in a conference room having a long
conversation about this is what my job entails, sitting around
the conference room having a very serious professional dialogue about
what costume I should wear. And it was suggested by
multiple people in the room that hey, if I just
shaved the beard, but that I shut that down immediately,
that's awf the that I'm willing to do a lot
(08:50):
of things to expose the left.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I think I've shown that I draw the line there.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I cannot do that, and I cannot force you know what,
I can't force my wife and children to live with
me beardless. They wouldn't allow me to do it. They
would run in terror if I walk in the home
without a beard. So I just I can't. I couldn't
do it. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Matt.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Any movie or book or anything that you try to make,
where you're creating something you're not really sure how it's
going to turn out. In the process of being in
the middle of it, that that creative spark, however you
want to describe it, Sometimes it comes through and you're like, man,
this book's gonna come out perfectly. I'm curious. The movie
(09:30):
is fantastic. Again, I would encourage people to go watch it.
It's really funny, and it's on a lot of theaters
out there. Right now we should have mentioned so you
can go see it in your state, your communities, you
can look it up. At what point, as you're making
the movie, did you think to yourself, Okay, we've got
something here. I think this is going to be really good.
Was there a moment, was there a scene, Was there
(09:51):
something that worked better than you anticipated? When was that
moment for you? In the midst of the making of
this movie.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I can tell you exactly where that moment was.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
It was Robin di Angelo, the Robin d Angelo scene,
and which the spoilers are everywhere now anyway, so there's
no point in hiding the fact that we you know,
we did get Robin d Angelo, and we convinced her
to pay reparations to my black producer on camera, among
other exercises that we had her do with me. And
when we got that we actually did that somewhat early
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on in filming, and after we got that scene, we
knew that, okay, we have a movie here. I mean,
even if we get nothing else, this alone justifies the
existence of the film. And fortunately we got a lot
more than that, but that was certainly that was the
moment we all looked at each other and said, all right,
I guess we have a movie.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I actually got to tell you something, Matt. I break
with some of the consensus here because my favorite part
of the movie is actually the beginning, like the beginning
of the movie, when you're at the when you're having
like the DEI seminar and that lady and the guy
gets mad at you and you said you didn't consent
to be touched.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
That's that's one of my favorite parts.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But also the fact that they call the police on you, Well,
on what basis were they calling the police on you?
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Well, apparently I made them feel unsafe. You hear the
girl in that scene, the woman say that she doesn't
feel safe, which is really funny because not only was
I not being aggressive or hostile, but I was actually
my sin in that group was I was too eager
a participant. I was so eager to be a part
(11:31):
of this and just starting my journey that and yet
still they somehow felt they felt unsafe.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
But by the way, I actually are.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
My own personal favorite scene in the movie is that
the opening workshop scene. Maybe it's just, you know, the
opportunity to antagonize those people for two hours was just
a lot of a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
So I really liked that scene.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I also liked it, and again we're given some spoilers talking
to Matt Walsh the movies, Am I racist? The local
news segment, the Good Morning Utah or whatever it was,
I mean, I really lost it on that they didn't
do like the basic amount of research. But I'm just
curious on the making, how many local news broadcasts did
(12:14):
you guys have to reach out to to get the
interviews that you did and were there, because I also
think it's really funny if you happened to be a
Daily Wire fan or a Matt Walsh fan and Good
Morning Utah, whatever the heck it was was on. Did
anybody clip those and share them? Did you see it
get like yourself getting tagged. I'm really kind of fascinated
(12:34):
how that happened because it's kind of a giveaway of
what's going on potentially. Did people just never know that
that happened, or were you concerned that that might get
out virally and help kind of make it clear what
you were doing. I'm curious how that segment of the
movie went.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Yeah, we assumed, we assumed when we did that it
would be out that the next day it's going to
be all over Twitter. So we just went into it
with that assumption, and I was shocked that that didn't happen.
I mean, I got a few emails from people who
happened to be watching these various news segments saying got
some funny emails like was that I'm pretty sure I
(13:12):
just saw you in a man bun on my local news,
But was that actually you? And I just ignored the emails,
so I don't. I don't know why that didn't end
up on the internet. I guess it's providential. But the
truth is that of all the things we did, that
was the easiest to set up. I mean, these local
news channels did like zero due diligence. We didn't even
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give them my last name. We just said that like,
I'm Matt, the DEI guy or whatever, and that was
the ancher to me that way. They didn't even ask
my last name at any point, which was pretty reminded.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Did the anchors figure it out like by the end
or are they still like Matt? That was great, like
thanks for decentering our whiteness.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
I think that the ones in Utah, the ones where
I was in person, I could tell because that was
a longer secon and obviously.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Then what appears in the movie.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
And by the end of that conversation they were kind
of looking at each other like this is something's not
right here. But they had to, you know, they were
professionals about it. I'll give them that. They just went with it,
and then I finished my interview and I left.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I put by the way.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
One of the ways I got in there is I
was wearing a COVID mask behind the scenes, and I
wore that right until the cameras came on, so that
if they did recognize me, it would happen on camera.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So I didn't do that to disguise myself.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I only did it for safety because I was really
concerned about my safety and everyone else is.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Of course, I want to give you guys credit at
the Daily Wire because I was in Lady Ballers. I
have a small role this movie now too. But I've
talked with a lot of the guys and gals that
work over there, and I think many people out there
listening to us right now, this is really going to register.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
With them too.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Starting at about twoenty ten, movies just stopped being funny.
There has not been a real I mean, there were
tons in the early two thousand. You can go back
and watch whatever you think of the politics, Super Bad.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Old School.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
You know, we can run through a long list of
forty year old virgin of movies that were made that
were actually very funny, everybody could go and watch and
laugh at them, and then they just stopped. And I'm
curious what you would attribute that to. But to your point,
it creates a huge marketplace for opportunity, right for actually
movies that just want to make people laugh.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, I think it is.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
It's fascinating to me just as a matter of kind
of history, that it seems there's a real cutoff point
about twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen is the last time
you see real comedies from Hollywood, and then it really,
as you said, it's stopped for about ten years. I
don't know what exactly the attribute to that too. I
think that you know, Trump came on the scene a
couple of years after that, and that helped to kill
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comedy from the left. And one of the reasons is
that they're so angry and they considered Trump to be
such an existential threat that it was almost like, well,
we can't do common anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It's not serious enough.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Political satire in particular from the left, I think dropped
off after that because it wasn't serious enough.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
And anytime they talk about Trump, they have to.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Seriously convey that he's a threat to democracy and all
this nonsense, and so they started to take themselves way
too seriously, and in an odd sort of way, they
started to take their opponents too seriously too. And I
think that that is what has created this this vacuum
that you know, the Babylon Bee has been doing it
for a while, but I think there's a lot more
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we could be doing on the right to come in
and sort of fill that vacuum, because if they don't
want to be funny, like hey, it's let's do it.
Because comedy is a it is a it's a very
disarming thing. It's like kind of a universal language. If
you can make people laugh, then you made them laugh.
And and whether you're leftist or conservative, it's a way
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to kind of convey a message to to everybody.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
The movie is am I Racist. You should go check
it out. It's right wide release in theaters. People can
just look on their localistings.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Absolutely or you can go to Amiracist dot com to
get tickets.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Matt, great work man, Clynn, I really enjoyed it. Thanks
for coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Thanks guys, appreciate it. Sundays with Clay and.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Buck, we have Carol Markowitz and Mary Catherine Ham joining
us now to talk about the launch of their new podcast,
which they're hosting together Normally and my understanding, ladies, and
I'll just because we're on radio, I'll try to clarify.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
We'll start with you Carol. We'll get to you Mary
in a second.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
My understanding is you're going to talk about stuff, it's
not just politics, and a lot of the moms listening
across America will want to hear what you gots have
to say.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
You know, we're not exclusive to moms. Dads are welcome,
you know, clay S best release The Childless Cat people
are welcome. Everyone's welcome to our Normally podcast. It's going
to be normal conversation from normal people from normal people, and.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
That's our goal there, I think is super important, and
we're excited to have this debut tomorrow as part of
the Clay and Buck podcast network. Mary Katherine Ham, I'll
bring you in and I would encourage you guys to
follow Carol Markowitz and Mary Katherine Ham on social media
because I think you guys are really going to enjoy
these conversations. I've talked with both of you guys, and
(18:22):
I feel like the mom perspective is actually underrepresented in
terms of just sort of the common sense universe. I
think Megan Kelly has done a good job speaking to
moms out there, and to Carroll's point, when to talk
to you guys are talking to everybody. But as I
think collectively the moms of seven kids, I think I
(18:42):
got that right. You can correct me if I'm wrong
on the on the numbers there, what do you think
is not being shared and what audience do you think
is not really being reflected in media?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Do you buy into to that my thesis there?
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Yeah, I think that, look, we are different from a
lot of political elites, particularly those who are elected to
office national office, and that we like you know, buy
groceries regularly and drive our kids around to activities and
feel the pain of having to make those decisions in
this time of inflation. And I feel like there are
a lot of people who are not as connected to that.
(19:18):
And I joke that we're sort of normy adjacent because
we're not exactly normal, because we pay a lot of
attention to the news, but we can be useful to
people who are normy because we can filter all that
news and talk about it normally, which is the idea.
But I think, look, the inflation problems, the economy, immigration
and safety issues.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
These are all things that moms, suburban women care about.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Right.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
It's a really important demo, and there is some attempt
to speak to it. Child Care costs is another thing.
But I think people get so bogged down in the
regular politics of the day and are not able to
just have a conversation with otherwise normy moms about things
that are affecting their lives. So we hope that we
can do that and sort of filter out some of
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the heightened emotion that many cable news outlets bring to
the to the table, which I had to deal with
when I was at CNN, and just like, let's actually
examine these.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Things, you know, Carol.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Over the weekend I was seeing I saw a few
different friends here in South Florida, and and it's funny
because you know, you know what they all are talking about,
not so much the election. They're all talking about how.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Puff daddy he diddy.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Sean Combe is in prison and being held, you know,
without bail until he's until his trial. And I can't
even really say on the radio, like what's in all
of these articles because of some of the material and
stuff that they have found, But do you find that
this here's the sort of the thesis that was being brought
up to me speaking of like what more normal folks
(20:46):
are in considered in other than just the polls, is
that Sean Combs isn't just a guy who made a
lot of money in the music industry. He was celebrated
by name somebody who's really big and powerful in the
culture and in pop politics in this country. And yet
he had been arrested or almost arrested, I should say
almost arrested, but alleged to have been involved in crimes many,
(21:09):
many times.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Over the years.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
What does this say about the culture that this guy
was able to get away with what he got away
with as long as he did, And now all of
a sudden, everyone's like, oh, I've never seen him before.
He was like sitting at Anna Winter's table at the
met gala.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
For people who watch this stuff.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Yeah, Well, it's funny because Mary Catherine and I talk
about this, how when a scandal breaks like Harvey Weinstein,
everyone's like, oh, everybody knew, everybody knew, And this time
it's kind of like, oh, no, I had no idea
about p Diddy, that this is new information you have
presented me with.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
It's an interesting.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Story because he has been so in the limelight for
so long. I mean, I see him as the guy
who ruined many Biggie Smalls albums by inserting his into
all of his songs.
Speaker 8 (21:55):
He is somebody who put you know, a lot.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Of young rappers on the map. Basically, he has a
lot of people who owe him, so it's interesting to
watch his decline. Of course, you also mentioned or in
passing with the story of the gun and the club
with Jennifer Lopez and his passenger See and then another
whapper Shine went away for that crime, and the rumor
always was that he did he paid him a million
(22:20):
dollars for it. All of this kind of stuff has
been around for a long time, so it's interesting to
watch him actually get kind of pegged.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
On this.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Interesting choice of words.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Mary Catherine Buck and I were talking last night at
dinner that based on what happened to Epstein, the puff
Daddy story, p Diddy, whatever you want to call him,
it feels very epstein esque and whatever you think, the
idea that Epstein in an area that's supposed to be
super secure, the video is not running. The security guard
(22:54):
falls asleep, suddenly he kills himself. There were a lot
of allegations about video and who was involved. It seems
like there are potentially a ton of celebrities involved. Oh
they're not giving Didty a bail? Do you see an
overlap here potentially with Epstein and Ditty in terms of
maybe what happened to Epstein, but also the celebrity involvement
(23:17):
and maybe some different blackmail involved also. I mean, I
see these stories as very much connected.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
One overlap is that I'm afraid to read the indictment
because it sounds so disgusting, So I gotta.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
Steal myself for that.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Two.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
Yeah, my smart friend Emily's Natti, also a great mom
of three, called it Epstein for millennials because we know
all these figures. And one thing on the mom front
that strikes me about all these stories is particularly with
celebrities and celebrity kids, wonder Can singers.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
And the like.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
You know, Usher was friends with Diddy at thirteen.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
Bieber's in there doing stuff with him very young, and
that worries me and it makes me think for my front,
talking to my kids about like why can't we be
on YouTube? And it's like, well, this is why you
will never have a path to any mogul's house ever
while you are in my care And I think that's
(24:17):
something that lights up for people in this demographic when
you look at these types of stories.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
And to Carol's point, one.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
Of the things we'd like to talk about on the
podcast is things that everyone did know that the media
ignores for two years until they can safely tell the
story later.
Speaker 8 (24:35):
That is messed up to me. It's something that normal people.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Clock early, but the elites will not sort of let
it be talked about, and I think that's wrong.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Speaking to Carol Markwitz and Mary Catherine Ham their new podcast, normally,
when's the first episode Guys Tomorrow comes out tomorrow? Right now,
So now is a great time to subscribe to the
clay In Book podcast network. We all also have a
John Parnell and Lisa Booth and other friends of ours
who are doing great shows. But this normally show getting
(25:05):
a lot of a lot of hype online. Some people
are saying like probably going to be amazing, probably gonna
set download records, and and Caeryl, I feel like this
is also part of a of a of a broader conversation,
which is I understand that people can say like, oh, like,
don't subscribe to Netflix and don't engage in the culture.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Uh, if it's going to be left wing.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
And all this other stuff, But there also needs to
be a culture for normal people, right. It can't just
be walling yourself off from whether it's like the Sean
Combs P.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Diddy stuff of.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
The world that's in the news cycle and you know,
not wanting to be you know, have that enter your consciousness.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
But also we have to create content of our own.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
You know.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Again, this is not to flatter you guys, but I
think that you guys do this so well where you
speak to normal people and they feel like they know you,
and they feel like you guys are friends, and you're
not screaming at them, we're saying crazy things. Where now
we're going to take a page out of that book
and hopefully do the same on normally for you know,
(26:06):
a similar audience. So I love what you guys do,
and I think that that is exactly right. We need
to engage people on the right in culture, and we
need to have conversations, and we need to produce content,
and we need to do all of that and not
just leave them kind of hanging and say, you know,
boycott this and boycott that.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Mary Catherine, I'm going down to Tuscaloosa, Alabama, speaking of
normally normally to watch your Georgia Bulldogs play against Alabama.
I want to get your take on what you expect
to happen in the game. But my thesis here, and
I may be completely wrong. We'll see whether I'm right
or wrong, is that college football fans, football fans in general,
(26:49):
loom extra large in the battleground states. Your state of
Georgia where you are right now, North Carolina. Condolences to
North Carolina and NC State who both got abs obliterated,
and you still have to root for the Carolina Panthers.
But then you've got the big ten states, Wisconsin where
I just was a couple of weeks ago, Michigan, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
What's going to happen Georgia, Bama. Do you buy into
me that.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Quote unquote the normal football fan of America, which I
think it's fair to say Kamala tried to appeal to
with Walls, is going to break Trump pretty significantly over Kamala.
I'm curious how you would break that down.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
Look, I do think that's true, and I think this
is a gap in understanding for a lot of people
in Washington and a lot of people in sort of
elite media that don't understand how important football is to
so very many people in this country and have some
trouble relating to it. There are a few people who
maybe went to an SEC school and get it, but
(27:46):
they're few and far between. So I think you're right
that this is sort of a normy voter block right
of huge football fans. That's why Trump is going to
try to go to this game.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Is is he's still going? I think they were working.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, I understand he's going to be there. Yes, My
understanding is they're going to He's going to be in
the stadium. He's going to be at this game, which is,
for those of you who are not football fans, the
biggest college football game of the year so far. It's
going to be a massive earthquake like style game. Right,
So this is why he's going.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
And as far as what's going to happen, I know
for sure that I will be extremely nervous, and I
don't know if I could handle being there in person.
I would gladly take a ticket, but I don't know
if I can handle it, I will be at my house, cozy,
trying to deal with my nerves.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
We have a bit of a we have a great program.
Speaker 7 (28:35):
Under Kirby Smart and a little bit of a mental
block for many years with taking on Alabama. Almost every
time we take them on, so I'm always concerned.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Ladies laid out good luck to you with the podcast
coming out tomorrow. Normally I think you should normally be
listening to it. Check it out, Mary, Katherine Ham and
Carol Markowitz. Thanks ladies, thank you so much.
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