The Future of America First — Royce White Exposes the Real Fight | Ep. 77 - The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Today, I'm honored to welcome America First Minnesota twenty twenty
six senatorial candidate Royce White on the David Rutherford Show. Now,
let me start by reading this to you, because this

(00:21):
is what you have to understand. This is what I
believe encapsulate what the future and the modern evolution of
the America First Movement stands for and comes from in
terms of a mission statement and an idea. So this
is what Royce writes on his website. Regardless of our

(00:42):
individual backgrounds or beliefs, our nation is being held hostage
by corrupt individuals who aim to manipulate the truth, exploit
our children, subjugate us through crisis and pharmaceuticals, and sow
discord to keep us divided. These self serving actors continue
to betray the American people, waging wars that we are

(01:04):
forced to finance. Politicians like Tina Smith, who take orders
from these corrupt powers, must be removed from positions of influence.
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm privileged to welcome mister Royce White
to the show. Thank you Royce for joining us.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Thank you sir, and it's an honor as well. Thank
you for your service. I appreciate, appreciate you having me on.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
You're welcome. Before we get into, like I think, to
deconstruct the political environment that you're being forced to operate in,
which is rapidly evolving and in a way that I've
never seen before. And since I first started paying attention
to politics when I was a little boy with my dad.
My dad was a big Reagan guy. It shifted him

(01:48):
from the Democratic Party over you know, grew up went
to the University of Michigan back in the late sixties.
But this shift took place, and I feel like there's
a real massive shift going taking place now. And before
we get into that, I would love to start with
you to describe what you mean by living with sacred
honor and what is that and how you came up

(02:11):
with that concept.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well, you know, to me, sacred honor is your individual
code of ethics, your individual standard for living as an individual,
you know, sort of within yourself, your own constitution. But
then how it relates to the way you operate or
live in your community with your family out in the world.

(02:35):
And you know, there is an honor system that I
think is a universal language. We see it a lot
and depicted in our films, despite them having become ultra woke.
We see them depicted in in television. We see them
depicted in our stories, whether they be novels or fiction.
We see them depicted in all of the archetypes of

(02:57):
heroes that we revere throughout human history. And there's an
honor and mostly that honor is reflective of the Christ narrative.
Right where Jesus Christ makes him much different than the
other religious figures, but not so different than the other
archetypical heroes. Is that self sacrifice and sacrifice of one's
own let's say, individual glory or you know, advancement or

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enrichment is for the betterment of something greater than themselves.
And the Christ's narrative is for the greater of all humanity.
But even for an individual, it's like, do you have
a code of honor? Do you have a code of ethic?
Do you have a constitution that you operate by independent
of the circumstances? Sort of you know, And it's like,

(03:44):
I think that's what it's. It probably means the easiest
way to put it is, do you have a constitution
that you operate by regardless of the circumstances? If your
constitution changes a lot more so then not based on
the individual set of circumstances. Then ultimately you have no

(04:04):
sacred honor, and you'll be a person for hire, or
you'll be a person that changes who they are depending
on the day or the month or the year.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
You know, that's something that I've had to battle within
myself over the course of my life and my time. Obviously,
you know, you serve, and you serve during the GWYTT,
and you serve for these endless wars, and and then
you come to the realization perhaps you know, you know,
I don't demean my service with the guys I served with,

(04:37):
because that was the sacred honor, that sacrificial commitment to
one another. But the sacred honor of the commitment to
us and why we were in those endless wars. It
really it flipped me. It started changing me in particularly
the Afghan withdrawal. I mean to invest that much time, effort,
blood and sacrifice and to then again just turn over

(04:59):
whatever eighty five billion dollars in equipment and put the
people that we went into dispose back in power and
then continue to pay them forty million dollars a week.
Is It's like what is that sacred honor? But one
of the things that was fascinating.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
And I apologize for that, sir, and every American citizen
should feel a sense of shame that we neglected our
own civic duty and sacred honor and not holding our
politicians to a better standard and a better accountability to
be able to navigate those things politically, geopolitically in a

(05:38):
much better way. Because again, as far as sacred honor goes,
look besides your Dan Crenshaw's who kind of shill for
the thing the machine. I don't hold any veterans guilty.
I'm sure they probably feel different and struggle with that.
I'm sure that has a lot to do with the
mental health crisis that we see amongst the veteran community
in some respects. But I never than personally accountable. It's

(06:01):
it's like the police officers, you know. It's and I
think Bannon said it best, and I don't think he
meant it in a disrespectful way because he served in
the Navy as well, but he said that, Uh, he
put it like this, he said that are our men
and women who serve have become rent a cops for
uh international Banking Ponzi scheme, international banking system. And that's

(06:25):
not a you know, that's that's not a dig on
the service or the sacrifice. Because as a young person
like me, in basketball, for example, you come up, you
were taught a game, You're taught all of the characteristics
and the values of teamworking, camaraderie and and even in
some sense that that's imbued through a community. Uh, you know,

(06:47):
the sense of community.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
UH.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
And then you get to the highest level of the deal,
the NBA, and you realize it's much more commercial than
it is about the purity of the sport and the
and the camaraderie of the team or even the institution.
And so that's that's a tough thing for any man
to have to have to deal with and confront. Uh.
And I'm very gracious towards our veterans and the people
who have served in that regard.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
I don't hold them responsible.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Our politicians send our men and women to war, and
in a lot of cases, our politicians have gotten us
into wars and instigated wars knowing full will the implications
for the men and women they send.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
So one hundred percent, that's well put. What really triggered
me on on wanting to understand this concept of sacred
honor behind you Your thoughts is. I watched you on
the PDB podcast and you you got into almost a
philosophical debate with one of his co hosts who kept
presenting you, Hey, why don't you just take the money,

(07:45):
get to the power and then change the system. And
and that's an interesting question. And I think, you know,
there's a lot of people that move into politics that
have the you know, this illusion maybe of what they're
getting into. In fact, you know, you talk about Dan Crenshaw.
My old podcast I was on called the Team Never

(08:06):
Quit Podcast with Marcus Latrell. We were the first podcast
to interview Dan in his efforts. And you know, the
guy that I interviewed in that day was not the
guy that I see out there right now, and certainly
not the guy that I've see engaged with many of
my close friends who sought his help in these veteran

(08:27):
issue that he was either told to or decided was
not beneficial for him. And so can you just talk
about like that's that discussion he was pressing you that
you should have just taken the money in the NBA, uh,
done what they told you to? Do, and then that
way you would have been able to have the leverage
to make it make an impact or influence because you

(08:49):
were ultra wealthy.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Well, first and foremost, I think he was mistaken, you know,
on the premise of how power and leverage and ethics
and honor and righteousness really work. And that doesn't surprise
me because I don't know Adam. I think his name
is Adam, don't. I don't know Adam to be a

(09:11):
very religious man anyway. I think he's Jewish if I'm
not mistaken, but I don't know him to be a
very religious man personally, I don't know him that well,
but I don't know him to be that. So I
think he struggles with the concept fundamentally, and first of all,
just from his perspective, you know, from a more strategic standpoint,

(09:34):
leverage is an action word. It's a word that you
have to you have to use, you have to be
willing to use in order to ford to mean anything.
If you don't use leverage, you don't really have it.
And you know, to think that you could sell your
soul and along the way not lose the courage and
motivation to use whatever perceived leverage you have is a

(09:57):
grave mistake. It's one that people often make in Washington,
in d C, and in the corporate world or anywhere
else in our society. They think, Hey, when I get
the money, then I'll be able to flip a switch
and and just start doing the right thing. That's that
proved to be very difficult usually in our society today
because along that path people are tracking you that our
society has a way of not allowing individuals to rise

(10:20):
to level a level of influence without making sure that
they'll play ball right. In Washington, d C. They call
that the steady hands. A pair of steady hands is
a person who will forego the moral and ethical consideration
and the interest of the of the status quo.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
And there are a lot of steady hands in Washington,
d C. And there are a lot of people trying
to break into Washington, d C. Who the the Deep
State already knows aren't aren't gonna be steady hands. They're
not gonna play like nice. These are the people that
don't get funding. So uh, you know. Again, And for
the NBA example, let's say I had foregone the argument
about mental health and mental health policy, that mental health.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
By the way, I just I'm sorry to cut you
off that for me, because we're engaged in the same
fight in our side and the veteran side, and there
is there is a continuity the times that I've worked
with professional teams and as a motivational coach and support,
you know, they're very similar things taking place within the

(11:21):
the what is it the sense of commoditization that comes
from the soul, right so, and then and then the
mental health aspect of that grind and that beat down
and that whole thing. So when you came out in
that capacity was also one of the other things that
just really made me gravitate towards that message. And because

(11:42):
I'm fighting a similar message now, they won't even acknowledge
the profound impact of a twenty year you know, global
war on Tara and the impacts in particular in my community.
So it really was impressive that you took that fight
to an organization as large and as vast well.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
And you think the NBA is I always used to
say that there's a global corporate community, and that the
global corporate community is a watering hole for all of
the problems, all of the issues of humanity, the human
condition so you know, the NBA again, for example, this

(12:20):
mental when I fought this mental health battle, you know,
you could say, oh, well, what does mental health matter.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
You're making millions of dollars. That's not the point.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
The point is that mental health is a social issue
that's being avoided by the greater corporate community, and it's
it's being it's being intentionally measured, meaning they know. For again,
for example, when I spoke out about mental health, I

(12:51):
had no clue that big tech already was projecting the
ability to manipulate vast amounts of people through social media
and social engineering.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
That didn't dawn on me at the time.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
I was more so talking about you know, legitimate sort
of DSM, anxiety, depression, bipolar schizophrenia, drug abuse, drug addiction,
that type of scope of things. So even I was
behind in a sense, but I had the intuition that,
wait a second, there is a global corporate community, and
there's a reason why the NBA, as an institution who

(13:23):
stands to benefit as being a kind of a tip
of the spear on social issues, right, they don't want
any part of this issue. They don't want any part
of this conversation. They certainly don't want any part of
policy around it. But back to your point about Adam
and his claim that I should have taken the money.
Let's say I had foregone the mental health fight, when

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China came up, when the LGBTQ came up, when the
vaccine came up, I would have been blackballed for all
of those as well. So you see how there's a
trajectory there where if you want to speak the truth,
and if you speak the truth from day one, you
have set yourself on a course to encounter the wickedness
and evil of the institution, the spirit of the institution,

(14:08):
all along your journey. And that's kind of the the
that's what makes heroes heroes. You're signing up for that.
You're saying, Hey, I know the NBA is going to
I got a sun coming up. He's fourteen years old.
He wants to play in the NBA. You think it's
going to be easy for him. I'd say not. I'd
say he's gonna have to be so much better than
the best guy. It looks almost intentional that they don't
give him an opportunity, And I tell him that every day.

(14:29):
It's like, hey man, you got to realize I went
against one of the most influential institutions in the entire world,
and I was vindicated.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
I was found to be right.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Not only has the mental health crisis exploded worldwide, it
exploded in the NBA specifically, and now it's been twisted
and perverted.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
And that's my own, you know kind.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Of regret is that I wasn't wise enough at twenty
one years old to see that mental health would be used,
like many other things are as a to catch all
phrase to justify you know, two spirit, LGBTQ, transgender, you know, academia.
I didn't I didn't realize that that wasn't even on
my radar because at the time, I didn't even know

(15:11):
what transgender was. The trans wasn't even a thing when
I was twenty one years old. But but that certainly
has happened. So now I feel kind of, you know,
regretful in some sense that that mental health was, you know,
an issue that was ignored, and then it was absorbed,
and then it was twisted, and now it's being used
as a weapon. And that's you know, that's that's how

(15:32):
a lot of things are being used in society, right Yep.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Absolutely, it's interesting, you know, you think about, you know,
the the naive ta that we have as young men, right,
and whether it was you imagining moving in you worked
your butt off to get to that point right where
you could be in consideration of an elite group, right,

(15:55):
and then when you get there, it's not what it's
turned out to be. It's not what it is, And
so what does that do that forces you to wake
up to well, what don't I know? What haven't I
been paying attention? And then what is the messaging like
you're saying, is the manipulate, the perpetual repackaging of real

(16:16):
issues in the way that usurps that sacred honor to
want to know the truth? Yes, hey, it's their constant
like chiping away at it, and so what.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
I want to be it's the one constant, that's the
one constant of And if you go all the way down.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
To the root of what what what we're.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Fighting, we can talk about American history, we can talk
about Western history, we can talk about the history of
modern civilization. You know, we could you know, you could
skin this cat a thousand different ways, but it all
goes back, in my opinion, it all goes down to
man's fight against convenience. On my show on Saturday Mornings,
Real America's Voice, I say that convenience will be the

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death of freedom, and and mankind has this this this
perpetual relationship with industrialization and technological advancement, and it is
it is clear those two, you know, those two things

(17:15):
will continuously seduce us into giving up more of our freedom,
but more of our sacred honor in pursuit of making
things easier.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
And it's such a genius thing.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
This is what this is how you know it's metaphysical
or supernatural, that there's real powers and principalities, and the
devil is involved in that domain of human existence because
it goes right down to our biological matrix. We as
as human beings are hardwired to try and make things

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more efficient out of survival. So of course, if you
give us an automobile versus a bicycle, we say, yeah,
we like that. And then if you give us a
hover car, and then if you let us teleport, and
then if you let I mean, we'll just go all
the way over the cliff in pursuit of of the
perception that things are made easier. And that's what I
was telling Adam to go back to the comment that

(18:07):
you made about taking the money. Yeah, you can take
the money all the way into the grave. The question
is where do you go after if you don't believe
there's an after. We can't trust you to make more
on ethical decisions, because what's to keep you from what's
to keep you from? You know, not even you don't
even know what you don't know, you're not even thinking

(18:27):
along those lines. Your framework is built on efficiency. This
is the danger of AI, and you know, all these
other things that are on the horizon for us, and
we're just walking right into that. AI is probably the
best example of you know, we don't know how to
stop ourselves. We will just go full tilt walk into
something we know is completely dangerous, and everybody kind of

(18:48):
and you wonder. I'm like, I get why Elon Musk
has a technocrat siic offant mentality because he's an engineer
and he's a tech guy.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Makes perfect sense for him.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
My question is how all these other average amara and
citizens or people all around the world watch it and go, yeah, okay,
it's like what.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Well, it's so I I you know, I work for
a financial company for my day job, and I speak
all over the country, you know, probably one hundred plus
events a year, thirty different states last year, and people
that are involved in this industry, And I ask regularly,
what's the greatest fear you have AI? Why it's going
to replace our jobs? We're not they're not going to

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be needed. We're not going to be advisors or accounts
or whatever it is. And then I say, all right, well,
who in the room has educated yourself at the highest
level of it? Because they're all obviously smart people in quotations,
because they've gotten to where they've got Well who's educated?
How how much? How aware are you of this reality?
And all very few, less than probably five percent have

(19:51):
actually gone done the work educated themselves on AI? What
is what? What? What is the ways they can use
it for to be benefit versus this fear that's coming
behind it or or this intentional cognitive dissonance. Right, if
I don't touch it, it's not gonna affect Well, the
challenge is the next generation. They're figuring this out, they're

(20:15):
being forced to, and I think you know they're with
even though you know, I think Elon, I think my
intuition is that he believes if he can create a
counterpoint to the evil manipulation of it, like they'll be
able to battle it out for our futures, right, maybe
something like that, But for us that have to exist

(20:37):
in through this right, which is for our souls. Right,
that's what they're going after, right to enslave our souls
in some capacity with a regimented set of ideology or
ideas or manipulation whatever that global governance thing is. We
see with young people though, that twenty four year old

(20:57):
kid like you and I were, that were naive and impressionable,
they're gaining access to a whole new set of ideas,
a whole new system that put probably potentiality of a
new system that they might be in control of. But
there's also there's a change taking place in the conservative movement.
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what the new Conservative movement is going to look like?
Or what do you assume it's going to look like?
And then what is really what is America? First?

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Well, the new Conservative movement is by default maga because
President Trump won in twenty twenty four and he continues
to be the most powerful political force that we've seen,
you know, at least on an individually, maybe in the
history of our nation. You know, obviously the cabal of

(23:38):
globalists that have influence on our government and our special interests.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
And lobby's rival his power as well.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
But you know, as an individual, there hasn't been a
President Trump, and I don't know if we'll have another
President Trump anytime in the near future. I certainly don't
think that I would would would fit the motive. A
lot of special things had to come together for President
Trump to be where he is and who he is
and and and you know, there's just a lot of
divine uh there's a there's a lot of uh divine

(24:11):
destiny in his journey. Uh So, right now the Conservative
movement is is maga, but it's fighting itself there's no doubt,
and for good reason. My contention is that the Conservative
movement in it's and its foundations was always uh kind
of fraudulent, right is when the first of all, you

(24:32):
got to go back to the conservative movement specifically, I'm
not talking about the Republican Party or Conservatism or uh,
you know, Christianity, or you know, any of the these
other very closely associated sects of of our of our society.
I'm talking about the conservative movement. Uh, the conservative movement
doesn't even get it starting to after World War Two. Well, right,

(24:55):
there we have a problem because after World War Two,
the prevailing geopolitical fohilosophy informing not only our liberal institutions
but the conservatives that come through them as well, was
the post World War two Democrat liberal order. If your conservatives,
if your mainstream conservative thought leaders are commissioned or their

(25:16):
goal is to conserve the Democrat liberal order, it's kind
of saying the quiet part out loud already, right, And
that you know, and you look at some of these
early conservatives like Barry Goldwater, who were shunned right out
of the gate. I mean, you know, the more the
more genuine America first sort of nationalists, populist Christian Conservatives

(25:39):
were shunned right out of the gate, replaced by people
who were more favorable for the status quo, the new
status quo. So then you get Kissinger, I mean, and
you get Nixon and Kissinger right, I mean again right
out of the gate, And then you get Reagan, right,
And then you get the Bushes in this entire neo
conservative movement who were intellectually Trotskyites, right, I mean Bill,

(26:03):
Bill Crystal's father. I don't think people understand the lineage here.
Bill Krystal's father, Irving Crystal, was a publicly admitted trotsky I,
and and trotsky was, you know, a Communist, no other
way to put it. And and you know, after Lennon
and and Stalin took took power there in Russia, they

(26:24):
kicked the Trotskyites out, because that's how communists usually do
when there's a power grab. They tend to knife each
other in the back.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
And trotsky ends up in Mexico and then they end
up being in the early inception of the neo conservative
wing of the Republican Party. Uh So, you know, in
that sense, the conservative movement has always had one hand
or one foot on both sides of the fence.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Uh. And and that's changing now.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
I mean President Trump was the inception of Republican voters
and Christians and patriots and what has now become the
MAGA coalition taking a strong look at their own side
of the aisle and going, wait a minute, why why
is it that over the last thirty to forty years
the Conservatives have had the House and the Senate just

(27:11):
as many times as the Democrats, yet still we get
the same results.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
We're not buying that narrative.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
If this isn't just some some political football or or
insider baseball in DC. There's something going on here known
as the uniparty. And yeah, I think the Conservative movement
now is going through a hard you know, a hard restructuring,
and there's a there's a knife fight. It's bloody and
rightfully so you know, I I my might my fear,

(27:42):
if I'm being honest, is that Charlie Kirk's assassination, President
Trump's tendency to try and save what's left of legacy
of legacy and legacy institution, and Israel's influence for our
politicians and the media, and the Christian evangelical wing of

(28:05):
the Conservative movement may in fact knock America off track here.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
I hope not, God forbid.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I hope that the MAGA movement and the America First
movement prevail. But I just see such And with the
young people, it's, you know, the Poles speak for themselves.
The young people are very open to reimagine in our
foreign policy the way that it should be right for

(28:36):
an America First priority. But the question is how involved
our young people in the political process, especially on our
side of the aisle.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
We'll see, that's time will tell.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
We won't know that until twenty twenty six and twenty
twenty eight. But when I go to the Republican Party events,
whether they be BPOU meetings or conventions or Cantation district conventions,
very very boomer heavy, very few young people, very few

(29:09):
people under fifty, let alone under thirty. So the America
First wing of fifteen to thirty year olds may take
them a while, unless they're led, unless they're organized properly,
may take them a while to have that immediate influence
on the political process. And what is the conservative movement
going forward? Well, I found it fascinating.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
I went back and I found a little speech that
you gave on nine twenty seven, twenty four, and you
made a comment about being from the next generation and
that people need to really focus on offering the opportunity
for cordial exchange. And then you went on to say,
because there is a high degree of probability that this

(29:55):
upcoming generation who is becoming disenfranchised on both sides see
it on the left and the right for a lack
of uh, maybe the attainable American dream or whatever, that
that's become right, have you say that that generation is
going to be a lot more predisposed for a real battle.

(30:19):
And and I thought, if you could expand on what
you mean by that, why why do you believe that
that traditional and goes back to I think what you
are insinuating with the uniparty is like the Conservative movement.
Although we go in power, we never seem to bring
to fruition the promises over me on the campaign trail. Right,

(30:43):
We're not like the big beautiful Bill tells us they're
gonna cut spuddy spending, Doge comes in and all this,
and yet we're still sitting here going, well, none of
this stuff has been enacted, none of this stuff, and
so that's that's generating hostilities.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
I think, well, yeah, the younger generation is always much
less amenable to the status quo. And and you know,
the danger of that, I guess, is that all revolutions
aren't made equal and righteous. It's it's completely possible that
this is the heresy of the left. They think that
all revolutions are made equal and righteous, that if a

(31:20):
revolution by its own standards is automatically a net positive,
which is just crazy, naive and somewhat sinister, manipulative way
to think about human history or the human condition. People
are naturally wicked, or they tend to be wicked, or
they're they're corruptible. But so it's no different in the

(31:41):
conservative movement, Like there's a younger, more frustrated, angry wing
of the of the conservative movement or the right wing
that isn't going to play nice when when they finally
say enough is enough and they decide to run for office,
and they will win, just like I was able to
to make a huge dint here in Minnesota with no

(32:03):
backing from the establishment, no major donors or anything of
the sort, because the truth has equal you know, equal
power in some sense to the money. Uh, you know,
they're not gonna they're not gonna go along with this,
with this scam.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
And you know again to talk about the scam is
just like the reason the Conservatives have traditionally not changed
anything is because they take one side of the grift.
This is what the uniparty is about. You got you know,
there's what about five trillion dollars a year, six trillion
on paper that gets divvied up between about four thousand

(32:41):
two to four thousand bureaucrats and all of their ancillarities,
special interests, and lobbies. And you get the left wing
who's willing to trade their freedom for the security of
social status, public approval, and basic needs welfare let's call
it medicaid. And then the right wing is willing to
trade their their freedom for the security of a military

(33:02):
industrial complex and a police state. And they are, you know,
and that's been you know, the beating heart of the
MAGA movement is rooted in our view of foreign policy.
So you know, whether you say it's foreign policy or
domestic chicken before the eight car before the horse, Okay,
you can have that semantical argument, but essentially make America

(33:24):
great again. In the America First movement said for too long.
We've neglected the American citizen and the value of American citizenship,
and just fundamentals like what our country is built upon
the ideas, but even structurally, like the manufacturing industry for example.
So the conservative movement has been very hesitant to change

(33:44):
the fundamentals of one of the pillars in American politics,
and that is foreign policy.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
I love that answer. I think you're spot on on
that evaluation, and I think it it it show it
prevails in the numbers from you know, your last race
against Senator Klobaschar. You know, she came in got a
total of three hundred and five thousand votes in her primary.

(34:16):
Your primary was much tougher, but you end up victorious
with seventy four eight hundred. But then that main race
came and you know, it says it was decidedly different,
that it was a runaway, with her at one point
seventy nine to two you at one point twenty nine.
But you know, the lower ballot races, I mean, you

(34:37):
take that Libertarian party and you take the other and
man you combine those, that's one hundred thousand votes that
could have gone towards you. If people had understood your
message a little bit better. And I think that funding
was indicative of it.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Right.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
She raised twenty one million, four hundred thousand dollars spent
twenty three million for a Senate race, which is just astronomical, Right,
and you ended with UH race one point five and
spent one point four And I and I just think
the fact that you were able to chip away at

(35:14):
such a uh, a lynchpin of of Democratic and Minnesota politics,
proves that this next race that you know you're going
up against Tina Smith, I think you've got to feel
a momentum building for sure. How will you address this

(35:36):
race a little bit differently from the last?

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Well we start we started earlier. That that's the that's
the key. Uh.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
And you have to give up on the public perception
of what a race is supposed to be and how
it's supposed to go. We we have this, we have
this uh, you know this, this crazy fantasy that we
gave over control, corporate control, educational control to our enemies,
our liberal enemies, and I do think their enemies genuine

(36:07):
enemies of this country and of American citizenship. And then
all of a sudden, we're gonna run these candidates out
there one time, and they're gonna win with all of
the media and all the money against them, and it's
kind of it's kind of embarrassing that we even believe
that that that's even a part of our strategy. I mean,
no good military man would ever come in or we're
gonna win this on the first day of battle.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
No, we're not. That's ridiculous, right, same sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
So I just decided I'm gonna run until we win
because I know I'm telling the truth, and I'm young.
I'm thirty four. Now, if I was seventy seventy five,
then maybe I do something different. But at thirty four,
I'm gonna run until we win, and we're gonna keep
chipping away, and we're gonna let the momentum of history

(36:53):
fall in our favor. And it did it with Biden
and Kamala Harris and Amy Klobashar, and it will do
it again. For Tina's opense, she actually resigned, so I'm
not running against her. I'll probably be running against Peggy Flanagan,
who is our lieutenant governor. You know, protect trans rights
with the blade T shirt. I don't know if you
saw that. Yeah, she's a tim Waltz sick of fan

(37:16):
and she was just endorsed by Bernie Sanders, so that's
probably gonna be my opponent. And it's interesting, like we
started earlier this time. In the last race, I didn't
really get up and running until after I won the endorsement,
which would have been made of that election cycle, and
then the general was in November, right, so you got

(37:37):
about six months to really run a campaign. This time,
I started the day after I lost, and so a
lot of what we've been doing in terms of getting
out message and putting out content, connecting with the people
here in Minnesota, being at all of the inner Republican
Party events, and making sure that MAGA still has a
presence even though the Minnesota Republican Parties leadership in aestablishment

(38:00):
loves them some Nikki.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Hayley, Right, So we started earlier.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
For example, you know, a year prior to the twenty
twenty four election, I wasn't at the state Fair. A
year prior to this upcoming twenty twenty six midterm, will
have been at the state Fair two times, and over
one point two million Minnesotans come through that state Fair
in eleven days, and we gave away a thousand Jesus
Is king T shirts at the State Fair, and it

(38:28):
was a major success. And we heard from a lot
of Christians and even people who are like, hey, I'm
not religious, but man I dig that sign because shit
is getting crazy out here. So, you know, just little
things like that, and understanding how to navigate the discrepancy
in money that's always going to be there as long
as the globalists are more aligned with the Democrat and

(38:49):
liberal politics.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
You know, for example, I have.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
These mobile billboards that cost me probably you know, seven
to eight grand, you know, a tenth of what it
would cost to occupy a big, a major clear channel
billboard on a on an interstate uh. And we drive
those things all around the state. We have volunteer drivers
hop in and they'd spend the day ten hours just

(39:13):
driving across the state of Minnesota, driving through the inner city.
So we're much more savvy about how we how we
run a ground game and a you know, a small
a small game versus a big machine.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Well, I think you've seen such a tremendous shift. I mean,
obviously if if, and I don't think anybody on either
side of the aisle can deny the massive impact that
podcasting is happening right, you know too, I'm that friend
and Sean Ryan and you know him bringing hit the
guys on THEO Vaughan's, you know, and you know Joe
Rogan with the President. I mean, these are a shift

(39:48):
and how the political game is being played. And you know,
I've I've listened to that uh uh lieutenant assistant lieutenant
governor and you know, you verse her on behind the
mic phone. It's not even a challenge. And that's their
their thing is they're still looking for the five minute
snippet or the two minute.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
They'll keep her away from me, you know, yeah, and
they do it. They kept Amy away from me. If
you go back and watch our debate, Oh I did listen, Yeah,
and they yeah, they waited until the weekend before the
general election was going to take place, so it's literally
days before the election was going to happen. And there's

(40:29):
a moment in that debate which is probably my favorite
moment of the entire campaign, where I asked her about
I was asked about Trump in twenty twenty and whether
or not he won, and I said, plainly, you know,
it appears that he lost, but I can't be sure.
And I can't be sure, because Amy Klobashar was on
the record in twenty eighteen saying that the machines can
be had.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
I thought that was your most beautiful moment. For sure.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
She saw she was she was swallowing heavy, and she
was she was fidgeting a little bit. I mean, she
was visibly uncomfortable. I think she probably forgot that she
would that the thing was being filmed, because she she
she showed so much, uh, discomfort when when talking about
election integrity, it's almost it's it's it's almost uh, it's
almost unbelievable. I mean the lack of chops that she

(41:15):
showed physically as as a city United States senator who
wants to uphold the narrative about the integrity of elections.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Uh, and and so.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
But but they waited until just before the election so
that that couldn't circulate, right, And and that's what they're
going to try.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
And do with Peggy as well.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Because after a transgender ge Hottis goes into a or
goes up to a Catholic school and shoots a bunch
of kids at a mass is there any way to
defend a lieutenant governor who wore a t shirt that
literally promotes violence about trans rights. And to Bernie Sanders,
I mean for BERNIEY Sanders to triple down and endorse her.

(41:52):
Maybe maybe he doesn't even know. Maybe I don't know.
You know, politics is strange where you got a team
and they'll send you something and kind of rubber stamping
and say, hey, listen, you got to do this, and
you never really get a chance to thoroughly look at it.
And I would hope that Bernie, because I think Bernie's
a fraud, to be honest, I don't think he's a
real economic populist.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
You look at his relationship.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Big with the medical industrial complex and he's as much
a farmer's shield as anybody. But at least for him
to try and maintain a position of credibility going forward
with the mom Donni's and the AOC's and some of
the economic populism that does have legs. For the Democrat
Party to hit your wagon to a protect trans rights

(42:34):
with a blade and a place where children were killed
at a Catholic school is almost unreal.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
I mean, it's brazen.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
I think that that this wing of the Democratic Party
doesn't care about any of it anymore.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
True.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
I think the free that they have to attach themselves
to radical ideas is what's bringing the younger, more radicalized member.
You have three generations of radicalized ki that have come
out of those schools, those elite schools all over the place,
who are drinking this stuff like kool aid and really
believe that needs to be what an industrial capitalistic revolution, right,

(43:11):
And they're they're like, we're going to get the dream back,
and they're revolutionaries, right. But what I really think, you're
running for the US Senate. This is not you know,
a congressional district. This is this is the US Senate.
This is the big game. This is there's no other
big game out there than this, other than deep people.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
I'm glad you say that. I'm glad that you know.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
That a one hundred percent and what I love.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
The US Senate is the last bastion of the deep state.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
It is.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
That's why, that's why in order to even run a
United States Senate it's a race. It's a running joke
that you need to have already sold out to one
of these major lobbies that can funnel ten to twenty
million dollars to you to be competitive. I mean, even
that is an obscenity in an affront to American citizenship
in and of itself the standard.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
I've got a friend that's running for Senate down in Alabama,
Jared Hudson, a team guy, and he's coming with that
hardcore Christian American first message.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Is he getting a lot of money?

Speaker 1 (44:07):
I don't know yet. I had him on back when
he announced. I haven't had him on since. I haven't
had a conversation on what he's raised. And he's making
the rounds, he's doing the deal. He's talking into the
small little, you know, hamlets of of Alabama where those
votes matter. And you know, I don't know how he's
doing what what, but I do know about his foreign policy.

(44:29):
And I think the other aspect of that debate you
had with Clobashar was very striking in terms of, you know,
her stance on both Ukraine and her stance on Israel
and Palestine, and you know, and it's.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Like, I think he doesn't get any more Neo Khan
than that.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
And so except Lindsay Graham, I mean, and they're almost
they're almost attached at the hip. If there's a there's
a great example of the UNI Party, Amy Klobash and
Lindsay Graham are it.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
They're the same person, they just are next their name.
What's coming out is I think, you know, you talk
initially a little bit about that that that the policy
of American security and how critical that is not only
to protect jobs or re onshore jobs or uh, you know,

(45:17):
mineral rights or chip development or design, but it's also
I think what really resonates, and a lot of that
comes when from how vocal the g WAT guys have
been on their shows and their reach, influencing young young
men who look up to us in some capacity, as
well as athletes too. You know, there's athletes are being

(45:39):
more vocal about what they have been forced to be
conditioned to speak. Now they're talking about, well, that's bullshit
and this isn't right, and you kind of broke the
mold for that over ability to speak your mind. And
what one of those core components is, Hey, we need
a secure border, we need to stop the forever wars,
and we need to bring that that that ability to

(46:02):
recapitulate that middle class, to give that hope back to
young men to be able to take care of their faith,
take care of their families, and take care of the future.
Of this great country. And you said at best with
in another interview that you did. And this was the
thing that really hit me, man, this is the one
aside from that the sacred honor comment. You talked about

(46:26):
our forefathers, and you talked about that if you give
up your freedom for security, you will have neither, and
you deserve neither. Would you just talk about that? Because
that thing, man the most for me so have I.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Was just like that.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
May that may be one of the most profound statements
our founding fathers made because it it you know, it
cautions us about again the dangers of convenience and security
as a whole. And the thing I like about our
founding fathers is they were tough intellectually, they you know,
they they didn't spare people's feelings, and they weren't politically correct.

(47:07):
I mean, imagine, uh, in the during the inception of
a country, you tell the constituents and the citizens, there
is a scenario where you forfeit you're deserving of your
birthright because you're such a coward. I fucking love that.
I mean, I just ever like I love it. You know,

(47:28):
he says, he says, you know, not only will you
not have the security because you're probably too dumb to
realize you gave it away, But the more important pieces
you don't deserve it. And I guess as an athlete,
I kind of it's like, you didn't deserve to win
the game. You didn't work hard enough, you didn't get
up early, you didn't put in the extra time, and
you didn't you weren't emotionally steady enough and tough enough

(47:48):
during the game to make the plays necessary in order
to win. You didn't deserve to win. And there is
a scenario and a thought process that we've lost in
this country where what we deserve should be put on trial,
what we deserve should be brought into question. Now. I
think American citizens buy in lars deserve much more than
we're getting. That's kind of the principle of the America

(48:10):
First movement. But the question is whether or not we
demanded go back to your leverage. The comment about leverage.
If we don't leverage our citizenship, and first of all,
if we don't recognize that citizenship is real and it's
important enough to leverage it, then we don't deserve freedom
and we don't deserve security, and we won't have either.
One and quite honestly, we don't have either one right now.

(48:33):
I mean that's kind of the reality is we think
we have security, Well, how much security you have when
a transgender gi Hotis can kill a bunch of kids
at a Catholic school and then the people who supported
it and promoted it turn around and tell you they
should you should vote for them again, and you should
give them more federal power. It's like, well, okay, I mean,
you know, how stupid do you think we are? And

(48:54):
they do think we're stupid and relai yeah, I say
this about foreign policy.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
You know, it's interesting. We live in a reverse vassal empire.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
You know, in a vassal state traditionally is where a
small kingdom pays tribute to a bigger kingdom for protection
military protection.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Is I you know, I pay you.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
A small tribute and if I ever have trouble with
my neighbors, you'll send aid. We live in a reverse
vassal state where we pay everybody else to protect them.
And a sound mind would ask why would we pay, Like,
for example, here in Minneapolis, which has a very dangerous
downtown area of crime and you know, gun gun violence
and things like that. Would you ever pay to go

(49:40):
work at the most dangerous alcohol selling establishment in your
respective city. And any smart person's gonna say, no, why
would I go pay to be a bodyguard at the
most dangerous nightclub in the city. Well you would if
you were selling drugs out of the back, you would
be paying to watch over your And that's what we've

(50:01):
we've typically done. That's that's that's the great sin of
our military industrial complexes.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
After World War Two, we said we're.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Going to go around the world and bring peace and uh,
we're gonna bring democracy and freedom, uh by peace through strength,
and we're gonna make all these nations. And they're people
self determining. They're not determined. They're not self determining. They're dependent.
You know, we've created a protectorate system and and we
pay them all and and really, the the ugly part

(50:29):
about the.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Scam is.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
It's all just a justification to steal our own people's
tax money.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
With that, they're not paying the people making decisions, they're
not paying. They're getting rich. We're paying. And so our
way of life are children's way of life, the next
generation's way of life. That's what's that they're they're paying
the tab on it.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Well, we don't, but we don't question it because you know,
we are taught in schools that there is this, you know,
there is this, uh this this net work of global
interlocutors and in load bearing walls that can't be disturbed
or challenged or us we won't have the natural deterrence
or the institutional structural deterrence to nuclear war or world war.

(51:14):
And that's been the running narrative. So you're I mean
reacn said it best, or he said it well, a
nation that taxes people above thirty three percent can't survive.
I mean, we're up to fifty sixty percent. And you
know if a nation taxed its people and it went
to invest like well, I talk about the national debt,

(51:34):
you know, border debt, forever wars. You know, there is
such a thing as good debt. I don't want people
to be mistaken. You can have good debt in the
real estate industry, for example. The whole thing works off
a debt more or less, but the debt has to
go to investing in things that will actually make you
more money, that will actually return to profit. We invest

(51:57):
our money, we go into more debt. We tax our
people to pay to keep the lights on, that's right,
And we pay to give other people money to keep
their lights on or really to subvert us. And you know,
it's about what the debt is used for. We we
have taxed our people into oblivion, and what do we
have to show for. Look at Beijing, they're kicking our ass.

(52:17):
Beijing looks like something out of the you know, out
of a sci fi movie. And Detroit, Michigan, the former
manufacturing epicenter of the entire world World War.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Two theater, is a shithole.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Detroit, Michigan in a in a perfect world, Detroit Michigan
would look like Shane gri La.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
My dad grew up in Detroit and told me about
what it was like as dad worked for GM his entire,
you know, fifty year career, and he just he talks
about it with such reverence and what it was like
being at the epicenter of American dominance. And and you know,
they just went back recently to visit. My mom was
from the Squie and to visit and go back and

(53:02):
and it's just they're depressed. They're like, how does this
go from in one generation, go from you know, what
was considered to be the light on the hill to
being just uh destitute and broken. And you know, I
obviously it has to do with the manipulation of the people,

(53:23):
the offshoring of jobs, the restructuring of of of our
The system that seemed to be the best that emerged
out of uh was cut from the savagery of American
exceptionalism of those early days. But now it's been hijacked,
like you said, by kind of this globalist influence, same.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Way, same exact way the conservative movement was hijacked in
its early days. You know this, this post World War
two democratic liberal order was was hijacked in its earliest days.
And you could probably make a better argument that the
conservative movement.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Uh uh.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Was wash went through its transformation out of out of
political necessity. I would say, uh, you could make a
strong argument that this entire post World War two deal
was putting emotion well before, and it was not of
it was out of necessity. It wasn't altruistic. It had
it has a great altruistic narrative to it.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
But I don't I don't really, I don't see it
that way.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
I see it in two ways, either as metaphysical or
supernatural UH, the influence and wickedness of the results. I
think it's funny like Jordan Peterson is somebody who I
respect a great deal, despite his his current or most
recent UH affiliation with the Daily Wire and how much
I disagree with them. But I think Jordan Peterson is

(54:47):
is a person and the type of mind that changed
the course of human history. And we need more people
who think on that level, UH to be able to
wrestle with things. But it's funny like Jordan Peterson, for example,
you know, talks a lot about Carl Jung right and NIETZSCHEE,

(55:08):
and some of these people have profound philosophical concepts, like
one from Jung is you can look at the results
and in further motive. Yeah, yeah, that's a great You know,
I'm not a huge fan of Yung, but I do
think there's a lot of truth in that that you
can look at the results of a thing, or a
group of people or a person and you can go
back and in further motive. Even if that motive wasn't

(55:30):
wasn't at the top of that person's consciousness, somewhere in
there there was some wickedness that prevailed and yielded that
result later on down the road. That's a very profound
intellectual point. He doesn't seem to see that about our
security guarantees and our foreign policy. That the entire construction
of the post World War two framework. You can go

(55:53):
back and look at the results now retrospect. You can
go back and infer that the motive was not altruistic.
It was not only up and up our relationship with Israel,
our involvement in the Middle East, the petrol dollar, all
these things. You can look at the motive the same
way he says about other things, and look at the
results and in further motive.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Well, I think the same is true with our alliance
with the Russians. I mean, we knew what was going
on prior to our alliance with them. World War two,
you mean, yeah, world War two. Absolutely the thing that
cracks me up about World War Two.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
And I just.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
I did a show the other day about the soul
of the twenty four year old right, and you know,
and I reference, you know, the early twentieth century, and
that the twenty four year old German kid, right, and
the twenty four year old Russian kid, And why did
they gravitate towards these ideas in full force because they

(56:49):
were demoralized, they were disenfranchised, They felt like the system
had been manipulated against them, They had lost the sense
of their own self, of pride. They were uneducated as
to the diabolical nature of or machiavelian nature of what
was taking place above them, which is the consistent thing
that takes place. So to just wrap this up, because

(57:11):
I appreciate you so much and I appreciate your time
with me, I just want to end. It's a deeper question.
But you talked about and I think you were talking
about it more from a race capacity, but it didn't
resonate like that with me. It resonated in a much
deeper level where you talked about that our spiritual our

(57:35):
spiritual curiosity, our desire to understand faith and what we
should leave you back to that sacred honor to questions.
It's the heart of our growing intellectualism. Like if we
can comprehend the necessity to understand that battle between good
and evil, then we can educate ourselves as to what

(57:58):
fight we're actually fighting. Can you expand on that just
real quick?

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Well, I think I think the comment that you're referring
to is when I When I was in the podcast
with Professor Penn, who has a good podcast as well
Ukrainian Jew. We were talking about fuintest and where I
agree with Nick and where I have some disagreement as well.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Uh, and and I think i Q is one of them.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
You know, I'm a person who I feel I'm pretty
straightforward on all the issues.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
I don't really have a side.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
I'm on the side of the American people and the Christians,
you know, with no shame, right.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
The Christians and the American people is the side that
I'm on. So I don't like to play games. For example,
I'm very critical of Israel's influence on our government. I'm
very critical of APEX. I think it's the greatest example
of the UNI Party. You can look right on their
landing page. You'll see Scalise emm Or, Mike Johnson, Hakeim Jeffries,
and Katherine Clark who are about is diametrically opposed politically

(58:54):
as you could possibly get besides their love of Israel.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
I guess uh.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
I'm very critical and I've been called anti Semitic, but
I don't like when people criticize the Jews on two basis.
One that Israel is not a legitimate nation because they
had our help in winning the war for their territory.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
That's that's a bullshit argument. We could argue that with.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Us in France. You could argue that there.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
You go, and that's the great argument, right.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
And I do think I do think that there is
a I do think there's a criticism of Israel's legitimacy
as a nation that is intended to delegitimize them, so
they can delegitimize America on the same grounds. And I'm
just not going to deal with that side of things.
I'm not gonna let them run that game on me.
All land is conquered land. All land that's of any

(59:42):
consequence has has been fought for in the past, and
one one group has prevailed over the other. So it
doesn't seem accidental to me that a George Soros would
fund candidates or even a let's say a political philosophy
in general that would look to delegitimize all borders in

(01:00:03):
all nations worldwide for his open society. Okay, so don't
say that Israel is not a legitimation, just say you
don't agree with their government's policies.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
That's right. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
And also don't say that they're not the real Jews.
That's ridiculous. Judaism is a voluntary faith, the same way
as Christianity, Muslim and many other faiths.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Now, I will get that argument, I know, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
I mean, it's just it's just, it's not it's not
it's not useful in my opinion, it muddies the waters. Now,
I do understand when people make the argument these these
aren't the ethnic Jews that have a claim to that
land genetically. Okay, Well, we could talk about the migrations
of Jews throughout history and whatnot. Fine, that's okay. Bottom

(01:00:45):
line is if you say you're Jewish, my my definition
of Jewish is do you believe in God and do
you follow the faith of the Jews. If you claim
you're a cultural Jew, I'm saying no, no, no, I
don't believe in that. In fact, I called the secular
and cultural Jews anti Jews. That's just my just like,
if you don't believe in if you don't, if you're
Jewish and you don't believe in God, you're not Jewish

(01:01:07):
to me. If you're a Christian you don't believe in Christ,
you're not Christian. Uh So that those are two things.
But I say that because just as a preface for mine.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Can I just ask a clarifying question on that, is,
is there a reality to uh deep deep cultural root right? Like, Uh,
let's talk about uh in northern Iraq? Right, you have
the oh I can't believe them drawing a bank on them,

(01:01:35):
but they're not the Kurds. Yeah, the Kurds. It's herds, right,
So they're iraqis right, They're Muslim, but they're Kurds, right, And.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
So also a lot of Jewish Kurds too, That's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Right, that's right, that's right. And so like there there
is a deep connection that that can morph out of
a cultural identity as well too. That that sure, you know,
and that's why I think.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
But my point is, my point is with the with
the Jews currently, and Professor Penn talks about this as
a Ukrainian Jew and you know, Ukraine is kind of
one of those hot beds of places that the Jews
migrated to after the you know, after after the you know,
the the.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Roman Jewish War.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
So uh, it depends on which group of people you're
talking about and which set of values and things survive culturally.
To me, there's no greater example of contradiction than the
Jewish identity being ripped from its its biblical history and

(01:02:40):
then to say, we have to give you this land
and we have to support all your policies based on
that biblical history. I mean, if you're gonna tell me
that there's a holy war and I should support Israel
faithfully because of my own Christian faith. But the people
in Israel, or let's say the leaders there in Israel
don't believe in that faith, or they reject that faith.

(01:03:00):
We have a theological schism here. We have to reconcile this.
We can't just I can't fight a war based on
faith with people who don't who reject the faith.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
That that's kind of a weird thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
And so, you know, historians agree the culture you're talking about,
sort of that cultural or ethnic Jewish identity only survived
the turnal house of history great in large part due
to the Hebrew Bible. That the traditions that prevailed from
the Hebrew Bible uh proceeded throughout the diaspora and were

(01:03:33):
passed down orally and written. And that's why you have
a Jewish identity today. That's why you know, the all
the other great empires of the past can't say.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
The same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
And you can make an argument for mono theism and
our religion and how powerful it is and it's it's
human value because the Jews were able to survive the
turnal House.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Of history with that identity.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
But then don't be telling me I got I gotta
you know, bow at the feet of Jews who don't
believe in God. Hold on now, We're not going to
play that game, so you know, and again this is
all about I was talking about fuint As in this podcast,
and that's where he and I. I don't think that
quint As even makes that argument. Just some people who
have criticism in Israel do make that argument. But fwint

(01:04:17):
has makes an argument often about i Q, and I
just don't think IQ is a Christian idea. I think
that the Scripture shows us pretty much as plain as
as you possibly can get, that the spirit and the
intellect are inextricably linked. I mean, if you make the
if you make the assumption that the Scripture is influenced

(01:04:40):
by the Holy Spirit and God doesn't make mistakes, and
that that God's intention for the Scripture is to help
inform all of his children and believers to be closer
to him. It it it's making a statement that faith
itself is in some ways an intellectual development, which also
affirms that the that can be developed, it's not static.

(01:05:02):
The people who created the idea of IQ, coming from
the British Empire's academic academic world, you know Galt and
you know Darwin and some of these guys, they had
a vested interest in making the argument that IQ is static.
And we know what that interest was. That interest was drugs,

(01:05:22):
piracy and slavery. And I'm not one to say that
the West is illegitimate because of colonialism, because again, all
land has been conquered. But I'm not naive to the
fact that some of their academic contributions, some of their
intellectual contributions, were rooted in their desire to colonize and
subjugate what they considered or what they described as lesser

(01:05:44):
forms of people. But you know, China has a very
profound ancient civilization. South Americans obviously show a profound civilization.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
They're in Africa.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
There were nations other than the Egyptians, like the Mali Empire,
who had their very very sophisticated society. So I think
the intellect can be developed. I think one of the
greatest sins when we look back in history, one of
the greatest sins will be how people who were powerful
strategically and to their own benefit or for their own benefit,

(01:06:18):
tried to bastardize the intelligence and intellect of certain people
and they and they block them from intellectual development by
economic and military means. You know as well as I.
You know, there's a reason why South America is a
third world place. There's a reason why Africa is a
third world place. It's not just because their IQ is low.
And I do agree that their IQ is probably low,

(01:06:41):
but I do think it could be developed. We like
them stupid. We like and look at the example of America.
We like Negro stupid. The American the American UNI Party
that has been dominated by white academic intellectuals, loves black
communities dumb. They love your average black person to be dumb. Now,

(01:07:03):
a few of us, like myself, not pat myself on
the back, you know, but a few of us cracked
through the mold or we you know, we're anomalies. We
break through that ceiling and we say I'm gonna question
the entire thing from the from the outset, from the
bottom up, and there are Thomas Soul was one of them, right,
And there are plenty of examples of very, very wise
and smart African Americans. I don't really call them African

(01:07:25):
Americans black people, but by and large, and this is
of our entire education system in general. But you really
see it in black communities. For example, in Minnesota. This
is this blows people's minds. Minnesota has one of the
best public school systems in the country. The black community,
the inner cities. Minneapolis public schools are second to worst

(01:07:48):
in the country in reading proficiency. So the the inequality
gap of education probably has its single greatest example in
the country right here in Minnesota, but it being led
by white liberals.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
And so you see what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
I mean, there's no way you can look at the
education system and the bastardization of the intellect in Black America.
And I think this was done strategically. Why it's easy
to control people who are stupid. But the same thing
is true in Africa. The same thing is true, and
we go there, we pay warlords, we deal with certain desperates.
We were given the Taliban money and we like that

(01:08:26):
they suppressed the intellectual growth of their people makes it
easier for us to deal.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Wow, that's about as profound as it gets right there.
And it goes back to that the manipulation of the spirit.
And I think everything that you say sounds makes sense
to me. I appreciate you giving me the cold, hard truth.
That's one of the main reasons why after watching the

(01:08:56):
I saw the post you made the other day where
you had the video of Malcolm X on there, and
I was just like, I mean, when was the last
time in my paying attention to politics that a modern
Republican senatorial candidate post a post in that capacity talking

(01:09:17):
about the devastation of the spirit through whether it was
the dumbing down of a particular group of people, or
was there the manipulation of information? And it just seems
like you are breaking the mold of what has been
the Union Party has contained, managing both sides, creating expectations,

(01:09:37):
keeping them at the lowest level. Why the the bigger
machine just continues to uh uh, I don't know what
it is. It's almost uh just pummeled the intellectual curiosity
of the next generation.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
I mean, that's that's that's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Is is again the development of the spirit and the
intellect are inextricably linked. And I'm not saying that you
have to be an intellectual giant to have a relationship
with Christ or I'm not saying that you have to
be trained formally in a school or in an academic
setting to be a good Christian. But what I am
saying is that even if you're not trained in school,

(01:10:17):
there is a there is a wisdom to righteousness and
a wisdom to the spirit that that makes you just
as smart as any PhD.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
And we see that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
But if you if you have the you know, the
spark of your intellect dampened and suppressed in many many
cases intentionally, Yeah, you're gonna be You're gonna struggle. You're
gonna struggle in life, You're gonna struggle in your relationships,
and most importantly, you're going to struggle in your own
internal intellectual growth, which is at the root of of
being a good Christian. Because what man thinketh he beeth right?

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Amen, Royce, where can people follow you, support you? And
what's next for you? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Royce White dot us is the Senate website. Please call
me crazy as the podcast I'm on Real America's Voice
Saturday mornings. You can find me on all the social
media platforms. I'm usually starting to fire at fire somewhere
there on on social media. And uh, you know, next
we're we're about a year out from the twenty twenty
six mid terms. I'm going to continue to campaign and
speak the truth. We got a lot of fun things

(01:11:19):
coming up with the campaign. It's it's deer hunting season
here in Minnesota, so we're doing a big a big
buck contest for the campaign and doing some some signed
Memorabilian T shirts and things like that. So a lot
of little things like that I do on a daily
and weekly basis. Besides the podcast. Hopefully you can call
your boy Sean Ryan and tell him I'd love to
love to sit with him as well and make the rounds.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
It's a I already I've.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Already reached out to him today.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
And I'm a fan of his I'm a fan of
his podcast. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
I think he's one of the few people that are
saying the true and dark, scary but but necessary things,
uh in this political environment. So you know, I'm I'm next.
We're going to try and you know, beat Goliath, you know,
and but but I'm I'm a happy warrior. I'm optimistic
about it. If we don't win, they got to kill

(01:12:09):
me to stop trying. I mean what, it doesn't wound
me personally. If people want to vote for a transgender
g hottest, hey, you get the government you deserve, and
by God we all will.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
But I'll keep fighting a man.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Thank you so much, Royce, God blessed, Thank you, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
God speak to you.

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