October 31, 2024 • 27 mins
In this conversation, Tiffany Justice, co-founder of Moms for Liberty, discusses her motivations for activism, the impact of COVID on education, and the importance of parental rights. She emphasizes the need for women to take a stand for their beliefs and the significance of local control in education. Justice also critiques the current political landscape, particularly the role of Kamala Harris and the influence of global organizations on American education. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi, and welcome back to Carol Markowitz show on iHeartRadio.
I opened a can of worms with my last monologue,
got so many notes about it. I talked about how,
while I think you should do everything you can to
make your close friendships and family relationships, of course transcend
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political differences, I nevertheless think it makes sense to consider
political leanings when making new friends. Friendships made in adulthood
are already harder to make and maintain, just like romantic relationships.
In a lot of ways, it makes sense to have
values in common. Again, I have lots of liberal friends
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that I would never discard.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
But would I run out to make more liberal friends
in my forties.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I wouldn't. I got so many sad emails from people
all over the country who have had falling out with
friends and with family over political disagreements. To me, that
is a very different consideration. If you've had a lifelong
best friend, don't let that friendship end because you disagree
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on politics. Clearly, you do share values, Clearly.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You do have things in common.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Don't let political fights tear you apart. This goes doubly.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So for family.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I heard from one mom who doesn't speak to her
daughter over political disagreement, it's just crushing. The thing is
that I do think the political realm matters, and I
think a lot of politics is very important. We have
a civilization to preserve. We've built an amazing country here
and we want to keep it. It's all pretty major,
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but it's important to step back sometimes and see that
fighting with your mom, or your child or your best
friend won't actually move the needle to get to the.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Country you want.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Causing problems with your friends and family doesn't change the
results of elections. Convince people to your perspective, sure, but
be civil, insane about it, and put preserving the relationship
at the top of your priority list, even over winning arguments.
If you've got thoughts, drop me an email Carol Maarcoit
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Show at gmail dot com. It's Ka R O L
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Show at gmail dot com. Also, if you're looking for
a more political podcast, as this one is largely non political,
I have a new show I co host with my
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good friend Mary Katherine Ham. It's called Normally and it
airs every Tuesday and Thursday. You could subscribe anywhere you
get your podcasts. Coming up next and interview with Tiffany Justice.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Join us after the break.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
guest today is Tiffany Justice, co founder of Moms for Liberty.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Hi, Tiffany, so nice to have you on.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Carol's so nice to see you. I'm in New York
and you're probably in my home state of Florida right now.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I am. I'm in Florida. How's New York going?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I got to speak at the Trump rally and Madison
Square Garden. I said the opening prayer, and Carol, there
were so many people there. There were like seventy thousand
people outside over twenty thousand inside the arena. It was
pretty awesome, amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I saw your invocation. It was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Are you all done? So?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
It wasn't a Nazi rally.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
In fact, was not a Nazi rally. There were many
Israeli flags actually being thrown in Madison Square Garden. It
was really beautiful.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, it's funny because I think about that. I mean,
I think about it in two ways. One, obviously, a
Nazi rally probably wouldn't have Jews being open about their Judaism,
which to be real, the Democrats did not allow Jews
to be flaunting Israeli flags that they are rallies. But
the second thing is is how insulting it is to
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non Jews also, I.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Mean just the fact that calling people who.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Go to a political rally Nazis is so below the belt.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I mean, obviously right, but it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
That it still goes on because you know it can't
be effective, and yet here we are. So how does
that How does it feel to be called a Nazi?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
It's awful, actually, it's I think it's really an awful thing.
And I think it's just the iron law of woke projection.
As you said, you know, I mean, there are no
Israeli flags that I see flying in any of the
Democrat rallies that are happening. In fact, Kamala Harris said
to someone who you know, was talking about religion, you
must be at the wrong rally. So it was just
lovely to be able to say this invocation that really
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was a beautiful message of unity and hope for the future.
And that's what I saw in that room. I know
that the media wants to make you think that, you know,
it's all one type of person that's supporting President Trump,
or even that all of President Trump's supporters are just
like him, but they're not. It's a really diverse group
of people that are coming together and Carol. When Elon
hit the stage, it was electric. The whole crowd was
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roaring for him, and you could just tell how pratty
was to be up there. He had his son with
him and his mom to see his son watching him.
It was pretty remarkable.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I'm an aliens, Dan, I really am.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I feel like he's just such an interesting figure in
our current political moment. I think he doesn't have to
be doing what he's doing, and the fact that he
feels like he does have to is very interesting to me.
But that brings me to you and the fact that
you get so much hate, so much animosity, so much
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anger directed at you, and you don't have to be
doing this.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Why do you do it?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, we'd say to the haters, they can just take
a hike, you just brush it off. I do it
for my kids. I mean, I think it's for so
many moms. It's all of the moms for liberty that
are across the country. You know, we're watching what's happening
in America right now, and we're really concerned. We're worried
that our kids aren't going to have a bright future.
In fact, Carol, sometimes I actually find myself not talking
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about what it was like for me to grow up
and be a teenager in America going to college, because
it's so different now for kids. You know, I have
four children, nineteen, I'm almost seventeen, almost fifteen, and then thirteen.
And you know, watching my nineteen year old daughter be
concerned about where is she going to live, well, you know,
she hears friends or graduating from college. They can't find
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anywhere to live that they can afford. People are having
trouble finding jobs. So yeah, I mean, I do this
for my kids. I ran for school board in twenty sixteen.
I had never been involved in politics. I had voted,
but I wasn't even I wasn't a registered Republican at
the time. I had no party affiliation in Florida, and
I just felt like, okay, you know, it's somebody needs
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to help to fix these schools. And then people were like, oh,
you should run for school board, And eventually I think
the question becomes why not you?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Right?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
So I stepped up and ran and won and served
for four years on school board in my county.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
So when I think about, like, why not you, I
get that, I really do.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But then I.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Think it's just there's so much anger and just you know,
hatred directed at you, and you could have picked an
easier path than you didn't. So I'm wondering, what do
you worry about most? What is your top concern and
that forced you into this.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Life not doing something that was my top concern, not
doing something not you know, people sometimes say, oh, my gosh,
how do you sleep at night, And I'm like, well,
I'm very tired because I work all the time, but
I'm not I sleep because I know that I'm doing
what I can do in this moment right now. I
really feel, Carol, that if we don't take a stand
and fight for America today, a children are going to
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live on their knees for the rest of their life.
And I will never look at my children and have
to say that I didn't do everything I could. So
moms are leaving it all out on the field. But
we are very much involved in this election cycle, from
school board all the way to the Oval office, and
we're going to make sure that every single person that's
getting elected is a liberty minded individual that is going
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to stand in defense of our fundamental parental rights. And
those are rights the government doesn't give you. It is
a god given right. You know. The government doesn't grant
you your parental rights, and they certainly can't just take
them away. You don't have the right to abuse your kids,
like you can't cut off their healthy body parts for example,
normally right, right, But you know, the government needs to
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respect the American parent and it's our job to draw
that boundary and to push the government out of our homes.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Are you still optimistic about America's future?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I am very optimistic. I have four kids. I have
to be, you know. But I am optimistic because I
saw so many people coming together at Medicine Square Garden
and all over the country, and the age range is
really interesting. There are a lot of young people that
are really getting energized. And I'll always be optimistic because
I brought four children into this world and they deserve
for me to fight like health right.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I was feeling pessimistic in New York, and I'm generally
an optimistic person. I'm super bullish on America always. But
that's partly why we had to move is because I
lost that optimism. But I wasn't feeling like my kid's
future was in a good place in New York.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
And I feel much better in Florida.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
But I do still think about all those people who
live in, you know, places like New York, where I
don't know that that optimism is so easy to find.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I think COVID was horrible. I mean, I read your columns.
You and I are both moms. We went through that.
I watched my own children's stagnate when schools were closed
in Florida, and then I was on school board and
we fought really, really hard to get schools back open.
And I think Florida really led, you know, Ronda Santis
led in that moment and showed the rest of the
country that it didn't have to be like it was
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in New York. You know. I think New York masked
toddlers the longest of any place in the entire United States.
And the thing is, Carol, never again, I will never
again allow children to be treated like that. I will
fight until my death before I will ever again allow
adults to put themselves before what our kids need.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Right, we learned some important lessons during that time.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So what's interesting is this election season has been a
gender battle, right. The media is constantly pushing this idea
that Donald Trump appeals to men and Kamala Harris appeals
to women, and it's a real divide. But you represent women, right,
Moms for liberty, moms are women still?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I think?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So, do you see that divide or is that just
something that's kind of overblown.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I think it's manufactured to a certain degree. I do
think there's a large amount of women that were sold
a lie. I think there were sold a lie that
said that somehow freedom and liberty equated to being able
to your baby, and I think that's a lie. Being
a mother and a wife is a wonderful thing. We
see young girls not wanting to grow up to be women,
deciding that maybe they were born in the wrong body.
Seeing these girls cut off healthy body parts or sterilize themselves.
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So I think as women, we have to take a
really hard look in the mirror and see if we're
being positive role models and we're showing and talking about
how wonderful it is to be a mom, to be
a wife. Yeah, it's hard, you know, There's no doubt
there were times when I had, you know, four kids
under the age of ten and probably babies split up
in my hair that try to get dinner on the table.
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That it was hard, but it's the joy of my life.
And I just think we need to start investing in
our marriages, in our relationships, talking more about what you know,
how wonderful it is to be married again, that's a
I've been married twenty years. It's not always the easiest, really,
you know, relationship you bring two people together and you
have children, and you know, we're two different people, right,
we have different opinions about things, but we work on
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our marriage and being a mom is so rewarding. So
I think that we just need to stand together and
we need to give each other grace, but also create
the space for people to change their minds, because I
think there were a lot of people within the Democrat
Party who are finding that the Democrat Party really doesn't
represent them anymore. You know, they think, well, I want
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everyone to feel safe and included. Of course we all do, right,
But you know, I was fine with abortion when it
was safe, legal and rare, and now all of a sudden,
I think Democrats see people celebrating an abortion, They're like
wait a second, that's not That's not the party that
I'm a part of. It.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I think that's not what I signed up for.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
That's not what I said for. So yeah, so I
think we just need to create this space for people
to change their minds. I also think what I saw
at Madison Square Garden, which was interesting, was the fact
that not everyone agreed with everything that every single speaker
on stage said. I don't think that there were things
that were said that you know, obviously there were jokes
that were made, but jokes are supposed to be funny, right,
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you know, people at the jokes. There was a lot
of laughter. But I also think that people got up
and spoke and there wasn't anything that was offensive to
anyone in the room that they said, Okay, this is
a deal breaker for me. But I think there are
different ideas about the way that the Republican Party moves forward.
For example, President Trump was on Joe Rogan and he
was talking about RFK, and he was like, he's got
a lot of great ideas. I want to make America
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healthy again, but he's not so good on the liquid gold.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
We're not going to let him touch the oil and
gas and I think that that's kind of the way
the Republican Party is going to move forward.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
It's interesting that he does kind of call people out,
even in his own circle, and say I don't like
them on that.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I appreciate that because I don't like RFK on that either.
So we'll see if that, you know, what he ends
up doing with that.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
What do you say to women who are Trump curious
but feel a lot of pressure to line up with
the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I think they need to go look at the platform.
I think they need to go look at their Republican
Party platform. It was sixteen pages, it was bullet point,
very easy to look at. Go through, bring a red
pen out and circle everything that you have a problem with,
and I think you're going to find that you agree
with more than you disagree with. Go look up Agenda
forty seven and on the president's website and see what
he stands for, and then really ask yourself, is am
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I against President Trump? Or am I against this person
that the media has wanted me to hate. So that's
really my message to women. Don't listen to the hype,
take the time to do the research, make up your
own mind, ask questions, watch interviews, that he's done. I
mean three hours on Joe Rogan. He did not hold back.
You know, it's very hard to fake your fake being
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someone that you're not for three hours, right, maybe fifteen minutes,
but three hours is a long interview. And so I
just ask people to take a step back and watch
and listen and check out the bullet points and see
what they disagree with. And if they disagree with stuff,
then let's have a conversation about it.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
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the parts on Joe Rogan where he's really him and
you could see that he's not not playing up to anything.
I mean the windmill stuff for example. He really does
not like windmills and it's not a put on and
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it's not a political point for him.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
He has, you know, aesthetic problems with them, but he also.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Thinks that they're damaging to animals and you could just
feel it and see it in the way that he
talks about it. I was really hoping that Kamala Harris
would do a Joe Rogan interview too, because I'd love
to hear who is she?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Who is she?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
She got to skip a primary and got to not
do any of that.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
We never really find out.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Who is Kamala Harris, And if she's elected on Tuesday,
it's worrisome that we don't really know her.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
She's a vessel for a lot of woke ideology. And
I think this progressive far left ideology that we're seeing
all across America, these progressive far left ideas, and so
I when you say who is she, I think she's
been manufactured. I think she said she agreed to do
Joe Rogan, but she would only do it for an hour,
and she didn't want to do it in Austin. He
had to come to her. And you know, I mean,
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just you want to be the president of the United States.
I want to be the leader of the free world.
The rest of the world is looking at America. You know,
Tina and I do a lot of interviews, and we
do international interviews as well, and there's been a lot
of interest from Japan, and we were wondering. I said,
you know, why is Japan so interested in Moms for Liberty.
You've come over here and visited our chapters and you've
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spent a lot of time with us. And the reporter
said that Japan is very worried because they're watching America's
light dim And so I think we need to remember
is the fact that you know, America is important for Americans,
but American leadership is important for the rest of the
world as we move forward, and Kamala Harris wants to
represent us on the world stage, and I don't think
she's doing a very good job convincing Americans to vote
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for her.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I hear all the.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Time from people in other countries that they're worried that
they're like a decade or so behind America with the
woke nonsense, Like they're seeing it develop in their schools.
They're seeing, you know, the trans thing blow up in
their elementary schools, for example, and they're like, whoa, We're
heading in the same direction as them, Like, how do
we cut this off?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Sometimes they can, sometimes I'm not so sure that they'll
be able to.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Yeah, it's a global movement, and I think that's what
people in America need to understand as well. There's a
lot of outside pressure from the World Economic Forum, from
the United Nations and UNESCO, you know, the World Health
Organization underneath the United Nations. There's a lot of pressure
on the United States to conform and to really lose
our sovereignty as a nation, and that is very concerning.
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We see that in our American public schools. UNESCO and
the United Nations are really brought into our schools by
the teachers' unions in America. And that's why I feel
so adamant about the fact that we do need to
dismantle and abolish the Department of Education, because the teachers'
unions have such a firm hold on education in America
and they use the federal government to do that. And
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so we need to be very clear about the fact
that America needs to lead in the world, that we
don't need to take our direction on pandemic response or
education from YONESCO or the WHO. And I'm confident that
President Trump will do that unapologetically.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Do you think he really gets rid of the Department
of Education. I mean, I obviously would love that.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I just I don't have faith that it's possible.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I just think our government is too big and no
one person can can make that kind of change.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I think there are absolutely things that we can do.
I think that there are parts of the Department of
Education that need to stop. I think there are parts
of the Department of Education that need to be brought
down and go back into the States. And then I
think there are parts of the Department of Education that
can move to other departments to be handled and we
just need to talk to the American people about why
it's happening, how it's going to happen, and we need
to be unapologetic in our you know, taking that stand
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the importance of you know, as the bureaucracy in Washington,
d C. Has grown around education, so has the bureaucracy
and the administrative state in these local st school districts.
And so the time is now to take our power back, Carol.
The teachers' unions. When Randy Wineingarten went and spoke in
front of in front of Congress about the COVID pandemic
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and the response, do you remember what she said? Do
you remember what she said she wanted to do?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Remind me I don't not to think too much about
Randy Wineingarten's words, but yes.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
So Randy said, she said, we need to take care
of the whole child. She said she wanted something called
community schools. So I just want to tell you a
little bit about community schools quickly, because it basically is
communism on the ground in America. They want to take
your schools and they want to make them the community
hub of every county, of every in every community, and
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they want to drive all of the social services out
of the schools. They'll bring in all of the nonprofits
that they want to work with. Right, so you lower
the age of consent for kids down to twelve. We
see that happening all over the country through the legislatures, right,
state legislatures. And then you start putting medical interviews and
school based health clinics into the schools, and you have
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a recipe for disaster where you have a planned parenthood
basically in every school district across America offering services to
kids without the consent or knowledge of parents. Offering puberty
blockers for example, morning after pill, lots of different things
that parents should absolutely be involved in when it comes
to their children's lives.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
It's interesting, of course that they want the community schools
only when they're in control of those schools. Like when
a rural area wants to have a community school where
they push their values in the school, that's not acceptable
to Randy Wine Garden and teachers' unions. That needs to
be from above. I mean, we saw that during COVID
as well. Anytime they had local control, they wanted local
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control of schools. But in time they didn't have local control,
they wanted governor control.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Of schools, that's right, and if community schools actually goes through,
So let's think about this for a second. We have
a declining enrollment happening all over the country, right, so
parents are pulling their kids out their homeschooling, choosing private school.
We have choice now in so many different states. We
have essays in Florida, so you can take your money.
You can send your child to any school that will
take right that. That money your tax money. So it's wonderful.
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But as we have declining enrollment, they need to do
something with the schools. They're concerned that schools are going
to close, right. I think I saw in Chicago. There's
a school there. You just got thirty five million more
dollars this year in the budget. They are only at
three point eight percent capacity and they have zero percent
of kids reading on grade level. It is just sounds
like Chicago, right, It is just madness. But if we
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allow community schools to go forward. Right now, on average,
federal money makes up anywhere between three and sixteen percent
of any given school district's budget, that will go on steroids.
And if the amount of federal money coming into your
school district starts going up to fifteen percent, twenty percent,
twenty five percent, thirty percent. What it really does is
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you serve the local control the school board. And America
is very special because we have elected officials, elected representatives,
represent constituents on school boards. Not every country is like.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
That, right, Yeah, it's amazing that they're working to overturn
that special situation that we have.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I hope that they don't succeed. I think that they
will probably succeed in the.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Areas that they have the kind of control over these schools.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I'm again not super optimistic about certain parts of America.
I hope that they are able to fight back against
this scourge.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Really, but I feel good in Florida. I wish other
people got to experience it.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, you should feel good in Florida. You know, moms
are fighting back though. I'm up in New York. As
I said, I'm doing a town hall tomorrow night on
News Nation. But I'm here in New York. And in
New York there's something called Prop one that's on the ballot.
And what Prop one is going to do. And by
the way, if you're listening and you're from New York,
vote no on Prop one because it's going to give
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illegal immigrants the right to vote, but it's also going
to give miners the right to go and get abortions,
to go on puberty blockers, to do all kinds of
things without the consent and knowledge of parents. It's really
an attack on parental rights. But our moms here in
New York are fighting back. They've been phone banking, they've
been getting out the vote, and it's just really really
important that people have their voices heard.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I hope they win.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I think about those moms, I really do. Those were
you know, my people in New York. But it's hard
to stay optimistic about the blue areas that remain under
these kinds of controls.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
It's tough.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
So a question that I ask all of my guests
is what advice would you give your sixteen year old self?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Would you do this all over again? I would?
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I would? Uh, what advice would I give my sixteen
year old self? Gosh, to not be so hard on myself. Probably.
I look back on pictures of myself in high school,
right of me in high school, and I think I
was very hard on myself. And I look back now
and I always think, wow, you know, I really thought
that I wasn't very pretty or that, you know, and
I think that I should have just enjoyed my life
more and not worried so much about that stuff. Especially
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now at forty five, I'm like, you know, eighteen boy.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Didn't we didn't understand anything? Oh we did it?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Looking back at that, Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean,
you know, I think as I've gotten older, I've learned
to have more patients, and so maybe I would say
just be patient and to know that you can't force things.
Sometimes you just have to let things come in time.
But then sometimes you do have to lean in, you know,
and really push and ask for what you want. And
I think I've always been the type of person to
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do that. I've just maybe gotten better at asking.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah, and my own age as there was, Yeah, you know,
that is definitely something that I think young people need
to understand, is that sometimes you have to assert yourself
and sometimes it's going to make you unpopular, but that's
the right thing to.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Do, right.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Absolutely well, I've.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Loved this conversation. I think you're awesome and doing such
great work. I hope you were successful in New York
and here with.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Your best tip for my listeners. On how they can
improve their lives.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
If your child's in public school, really create a relationship
with your child's teacher. It's the most important thing that
you can do as far as trying to safeguard your
child in America's public schools. You know, when you go
to the teacher, introduce yourself, ask questions. Ask your kids' school.
If my child's expressing mental distress in any way, how
will you handle that? Will you come to me and
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tell me? I want you to come to me and
tell me. You should absolutely tell them that you do
not on any adults meeting with your children without you there.
If the doctor asks you to leave the medical exam
room so they can talk to your child, say no. Parents,
Now is the time to take a stand. Now is
the time to know that God doesn't only give you
the fundamental right to direct the upbringing of your children,
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but it's your duty to direct the upbringing of your kids,
and don't let anyone take that away from you.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
She is Tiffany Justice Moms for Liberty. Check her out,
check out their website. They're really fantastic organization.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Thank you so much, Tiffany. Thanks Kerrol, thanks so much
for joining us. On the Carol Marko Show.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
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Hi, and welcome back to Carol Markowitz show on iHeartRadio.
I opened a can of worms with my last monologue,
got so many notes about it. I talked about how,
while I think you should do everything you can to
make your close friendships and family relationships, of course transcend
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political differences, I nevertheless think it makes sense to consider
political leanings when making new friends. Friendships made in adulthood
are already harder to make and maintain, just like romantic relationships.
In a lot of ways, it makes sense to have
values in common. Again, I have lots of liberal friends
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that I would never discard.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
But would I run out to make more liberal friends
in my forties.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I wouldn't. I got so many sad emails from people
all over the country who have had falling out with
friends and with family over political disagreements. To me, that
is a very different consideration. If you've had a lifelong
best friend, don't let that friendship end because you disagree
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on politics. Clearly, you do share values, Clearly.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You do have things in common.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Don't let political fights tear you apart. This goes doubly.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So for family.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I heard from one mom who doesn't speak to her
daughter over political disagreement, it's just crushing. The thing is
that I do think the political realm matters, and I
think a lot of politics is very important. We have
a civilization to preserve. We've built an amazing country here
and we want to keep it. It's all pretty major,
(01:52):
but it's important to step back sometimes and see that
fighting with your mom, or your child or your best
friend won't actually move the needle to get to the.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Country you want.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Causing problems with your friends and family doesn't change the
results of elections. Convince people to your perspective, sure, but
be civil, insane about it, and put preserving the relationship
at the top of your priority list, even over winning arguments.
If you've got thoughts, drop me an email Carol Maarcoit
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Show at gmail dot com. It's Ka R O L
M A. R. Kowi CS and Charlie ZS and Zebra
Show at gmail dot com. Also, if you're looking for
a more political podcast, as this one is largely non political,
I have a new show I co host with my
(02:47):
good friend Mary Katherine Ham. It's called Normally and it
airs every Tuesday and Thursday. You could subscribe anywhere you
get your podcasts. Coming up next and interview with Tiffany Justice.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Join us after the break.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
guest today is Tiffany Justice, co founder of Moms for Liberty.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Hi, Tiffany, so nice to have you on.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Carol's so nice to see you. I'm in New York
and you're probably in my home state of Florida right now.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I am. I'm in Florida. How's New York going?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I got to speak at the Trump rally and Madison
Square Garden. I said the opening prayer, and Carol, there
were so many people there. There were like seventy thousand
people outside over twenty thousand inside the arena. It was
pretty awesome, amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I saw your invocation. It was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Are you all done? So?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
It wasn't a Nazi rally.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
In fact, was not a Nazi rally. There were many
Israeli flags actually being thrown in Madison Square Garden. It
was really beautiful.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, it's funny because I think about that. I mean,
I think about it in two ways. One, obviously, a
Nazi rally probably wouldn't have Jews being open about their Judaism,
which to be real, the Democrats did not allow Jews
to be flaunting Israeli flags that they are rallies. But
the second thing is is how insulting it is to
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non Jews also, I.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Mean just the fact that calling people who.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Go to a political rally Nazis is so below the belt.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I mean, obviously right, but it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
That it still goes on because you know it can't
be effective, and yet here we are. So how does
that How does it feel to be called a Nazi?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
It's awful, actually, it's I think it's really an awful thing.
And I think it's just the iron law of woke projection.
As you said, you know, I mean, there are no
Israeli flags that I see flying in any of the
Democrat rallies that are happening. In fact, Kamala Harris said
to someone who you know, was talking about religion, you
must be at the wrong rally. So it was just
lovely to be able to say this invocation that really
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was a beautiful message of unity and hope for the future.
And that's what I saw in that room. I know
that the media wants to make you think that, you know,
it's all one type of person that's supporting President Trump,
or even that all of President Trump's supporters are just
like him, but they're not. It's a really diverse group
of people that are coming together and Carol. When Elon
hit the stage, it was electric. The whole crowd was
(05:23):
roaring for him, and you could just tell how pratty
was to be up there. He had his son with
him and his mom to see his son watching him.
It was pretty remarkable.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I'm an aliens, Dan, I really am.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I feel like he's just such an interesting figure in
our current political moment. I think he doesn't have to
be doing what he's doing, and the fact that he
feels like he does have to is very interesting to me.
But that brings me to you and the fact that
you get so much hate, so much animosity, so much
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anger directed at you, and you don't have to be
doing this.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Why do you do it?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, we'd say to the haters, they can just take
a hike, you just brush it off. I do it
for my kids. I mean, I think it's for so
many moms. It's all of the moms for liberty that
are across the country. You know, we're watching what's happening
in America right now, and we're really concerned. We're worried
that our kids aren't going to have a bright future.
In fact, Carol, sometimes I actually find myself not talking
(06:22):
about what it was like for me to grow up
and be a teenager in America going to college, because
it's so different now for kids. You know, I have
four children, nineteen, I'm almost seventeen, almost fifteen, and then thirteen.
And you know, watching my nineteen year old daughter be
concerned about where is she going to live, well, you know,
she hears friends or graduating from college. They can't find
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anywhere to live that they can afford. People are having
trouble finding jobs. So yeah, I mean, I do this
for my kids. I ran for school board in twenty sixteen.
I had never been involved in politics. I had voted,
but I wasn't even I wasn't a registered Republican at
the time. I had no party affiliation in Florida, and
I just felt like, okay, you know, it's somebody needs
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to help to fix these schools. And then people were like, oh,
you should run for school board, And eventually I think
the question becomes why not you?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Right?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
So I stepped up and ran and won and served
for four years on school board in my county.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
So when I think about, like, why not you, I
get that, I really do.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But then I.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Think it's just there's so much anger and just you know,
hatred directed at you, and you could have picked an
easier path than you didn't. So I'm wondering, what do
you worry about most? What is your top concern and
that forced you into this.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Life not doing something that was my top concern, not
doing something not you know, people sometimes say, oh, my gosh,
how do you sleep at night, And I'm like, well,
I'm very tired because I work all the time, but
I'm not I sleep because I know that I'm doing
what I can do in this moment right now. I
really feel, Carol, that if we don't take a stand
and fight for America today, a children are going to
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live on their knees for the rest of their life.
And I will never look at my children and have
to say that I didn't do everything I could. So
moms are leaving it all out on the field. But
we are very much involved in this election cycle, from
school board all the way to the Oval office, and
we're going to make sure that every single person that's
getting elected is a liberty minded individual that is going
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to stand in defense of our fundamental parental rights. And
those are rights the government doesn't give you. It is
a god given right. You know. The government doesn't grant
you your parental rights, and they certainly can't just take
them away. You don't have the right to abuse your kids,
like you can't cut off their healthy body parts for example,
normally right, right, But you know, the government needs to
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respect the American parent and it's our job to draw
that boundary and to push the government out of our homes.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Are you still optimistic about America's future?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I am very optimistic. I have four kids. I have
to be, you know. But I am optimistic because I
saw so many people coming together at Medicine Square Garden
and all over the country, and the age range is
really interesting. There are a lot of young people that
are really getting energized. And I'll always be optimistic because
I brought four children into this world and they deserve
for me to fight like health right.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I was feeling pessimistic in New York, and I'm generally
an optimistic person. I'm super bullish on America always. But
that's partly why we had to move is because I
lost that optimism. But I wasn't feeling like my kid's
future was in a good place in New York.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
And I feel much better in Florida.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
But I do still think about all those people who
live in, you know, places like New York, where I
don't know that that optimism is so easy to find.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I think COVID was horrible. I mean, I read your columns.
You and I are both moms. We went through that.
I watched my own children's stagnate when schools were closed
in Florida, and then I was on school board and
we fought really, really hard to get schools back open.
And I think Florida really led, you know, Ronda Santis
led in that moment and showed the rest of the
country that it didn't have to be like it was
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in New York. You know. I think New York masked
toddlers the longest of any place in the entire United States.
And the thing is, Carol, never again, I will never
again allow children to be treated like that. I will
fight until my death before I will ever again allow
adults to put themselves before what our kids need.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Right, we learned some important lessons during that time.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So what's interesting is this election season has been a
gender battle, right. The media is constantly pushing this idea
that Donald Trump appeals to men and Kamala Harris appeals
to women, and it's a real divide. But you represent women, right,
Moms for liberty, moms are women still?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I think?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So, do you see that divide or is that just
something that's kind of overblown.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I think it's manufactured to a certain degree. I do
think there's a large amount of women that were sold
a lie. I think there were sold a lie that
said that somehow freedom and liberty equated to being able
to your baby, and I think that's a lie. Being
a mother and a wife is a wonderful thing. We
see young girls not wanting to grow up to be women,
deciding that maybe they were born in the wrong body.
Seeing these girls cut off healthy body parts or sterilize themselves.
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So I think as women, we have to take a
really hard look in the mirror and see if we're
being positive role models and we're showing and talking about
how wonderful it is to be a mom, to be
a wife. Yeah, it's hard, you know, There's no doubt
there were times when I had, you know, four kids
under the age of ten and probably babies split up
in my hair that try to get dinner on the table.
(11:34):
That it was hard, but it's the joy of my life.
And I just think we need to start investing in
our marriages, in our relationships, talking more about what you know,
how wonderful it is to be married again, that's a
I've been married twenty years. It's not always the easiest, really,
you know, relationship you bring two people together and you
have children, and you know, we're two different people, right,
we have different opinions about things, but we work on
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our marriage and being a mom is so rewarding. So
I think that we just need to stand together and
we need to give each other grace, but also create
the space for people to change their minds, because I
think there were a lot of people within the Democrat
Party who are finding that the Democrat Party really doesn't
represent them anymore. You know, they think, well, I want
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everyone to feel safe and included. Of course we all do, right,
But you know, I was fine with abortion when it
was safe, legal and rare, and now all of a sudden,
I think Democrats see people celebrating an abortion, They're like
wait a second, that's not That's not the party that
I'm a part of. It.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I think that's not what I signed up for.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
That's not what I said for. So yeah, so I
think we just need to create this space for people
to change their minds. I also think what I saw
at Madison Square Garden, which was interesting, was the fact
that not everyone agreed with everything that every single speaker
on stage said. I don't think that there were things
that were said that you know, obviously there were jokes
that were made, but jokes are supposed to be funny, right,
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you know, people at the jokes. There was a lot
of laughter. But I also think that people got up
and spoke and there wasn't anything that was offensive to
anyone in the room that they said, Okay, this is
a deal breaker for me. But I think there are
different ideas about the way that the Republican Party moves forward.
For example, President Trump was on Joe Rogan and he
was talking about RFK, and he was like, he's got
a lot of great ideas. I want to make America
(13:14):
healthy again, but he's not so good on the liquid gold.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
We're not going to let him touch the oil and
gas and I think that that's kind of the way
the Republican Party is going to move forward.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
It's interesting that he does kind of call people out,
even in his own circle, and say I don't like
them on that.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I appreciate that because I don't like RFK on that either.
So we'll see if that, you know, what he ends
up doing with that.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
What do you say to women who are Trump curious
but feel a lot of pressure to line up with
the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I think they need to go look at the platform.
I think they need to go look at their Republican
Party platform. It was sixteen pages, it was bullet point,
very easy to look at. Go through, bring a red
pen out and circle everything that you have a problem with,
and I think you're going to find that you agree
with more than you disagree with. Go look up Agenda
forty seven and on the president's website and see what
he stands for, and then really ask yourself, is am
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I against President Trump? Or am I against this person
that the media has wanted me to hate. So that's
really my message to women. Don't listen to the hype,
take the time to do the research, make up your
own mind, ask questions, watch interviews, that he's done. I
mean three hours on Joe Rogan. He did not hold back.
You know, it's very hard to fake your fake being
(14:27):
someone that you're not for three hours, right, maybe fifteen minutes,
but three hours is a long interview. And so I
just ask people to take a step back and watch
and listen and check out the bullet points and see
what they disagree with. And if they disagree with stuff,
then let's have a conversation about it.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
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the parts on Joe Rogan where he's really him and
you could see that he's not not playing up to anything.
I mean the windmill stuff for example. He really does
not like windmills and it's not a put on and
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it's not a political point for him.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
He has, you know, aesthetic problems with them, but he also.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Thinks that they're damaging to animals and you could just
feel it and see it in the way that he
talks about it. I was really hoping that Kamala Harris
would do a Joe Rogan interview too, because I'd love
to hear who is she?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Who is she?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
She got to skip a primary and got to not
do any of that.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
We never really find out.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Who is Kamala Harris, And if she's elected on Tuesday,
it's worrisome that we don't really know her.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
She's a vessel for a lot of woke ideology. And
I think this progressive far left ideology that we're seeing
all across America, these progressive far left ideas, and so
I when you say who is she, I think she's
been manufactured. I think she said she agreed to do
Joe Rogan, but she would only do it for an hour,
and she didn't want to do it in Austin. He
had to come to her. And you know, I mean,
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just you want to be the president of the United States.
I want to be the leader of the free world.
The rest of the world is looking at America. You know,
Tina and I do a lot of interviews, and we
do international interviews as well, and there's been a lot
of interest from Japan, and we were wondering. I said,
you know, why is Japan so interested in Moms for Liberty.
You've come over here and visited our chapters and you've
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spent a lot of time with us. And the reporter
said that Japan is very worried because they're watching America's
light dim And so I think we need to remember
is the fact that you know, America is important for Americans,
but American leadership is important for the rest of the
world as we move forward, and Kamala Harris wants to
represent us on the world stage, and I don't think
she's doing a very good job convincing Americans to vote
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for her.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I hear all the.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Time from people in other countries that they're worried that
they're like a decade or so behind America with the
woke nonsense, Like they're seeing it develop in their schools.
They're seeing, you know, the trans thing blow up in
their elementary schools, for example, and they're like, whoa, We're
heading in the same direction as them, Like, how do
we cut this off?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Sometimes they can, sometimes I'm not so sure that they'll
be able to.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Yeah, it's a global movement, and I think that's what
people in America need to understand as well. There's a
lot of outside pressure from the World Economic Forum, from
the United Nations and UNESCO, you know, the World Health
Organization underneath the United Nations. There's a lot of pressure
on the United States to conform and to really lose
our sovereignty as a nation, and that is very concerning.
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We see that in our American public schools. UNESCO and
the United Nations are really brought into our schools by
the teachers' unions in America. And that's why I feel
so adamant about the fact that we do need to
dismantle and abolish the Department of Education, because the teachers'
unions have such a firm hold on education in America
and they use the federal government to do that. And
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so we need to be very clear about the fact
that America needs to lead in the world, that we
don't need to take our direction on pandemic response or
education from YONESCO or the WHO. And I'm confident that
President Trump will do that unapologetically.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Do you think he really gets rid of the Department
of Education. I mean, I obviously would love that.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I just I don't have faith that it's possible.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I just think our government is too big and no
one person can can make that kind of change.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I think there are absolutely things that we can do.
I think that there are parts of the Department of
Education that need to stop. I think there are parts
of the Department of Education that need to be brought
down and go back into the States. And then I
think there are parts of the Department of Education that
can move to other departments to be handled and we
just need to talk to the American people about why
it's happening, how it's going to happen, and we need
to be unapologetic in our you know, taking that stand
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the importance of you know, as the bureaucracy in Washington,
d C. Has grown around education, so has the bureaucracy
and the administrative state in these local st school districts.
And so the time is now to take our power back, Carol.
The teachers' unions. When Randy Wineingarten went and spoke in
front of in front of Congress about the COVID pandemic
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and the response, do you remember what she said? Do
you remember what she said she wanted to do?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Remind me I don't not to think too much about
Randy Wineingarten's words, but yes.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
So Randy said, she said, we need to take care
of the whole child. She said she wanted something called
community schools. So I just want to tell you a
little bit about community schools quickly, because it basically is
communism on the ground in America. They want to take
your schools and they want to make them the community
hub of every county, of every in every community, and
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they want to drive all of the social services out
of the schools. They'll bring in all of the nonprofits
that they want to work with. Right, so you lower
the age of consent for kids down to twelve. We
see that happening all over the country through the legislatures, right,
state legislatures. And then you start putting medical interviews and
school based health clinics into the schools, and you have
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a recipe for disaster where you have a planned parenthood
basically in every school district across America offering services to
kids without the consent or knowledge of parents. Offering puberty
blockers for example, morning after pill, lots of different things
that parents should absolutely be involved in when it comes
to their children's lives.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
It's interesting, of course that they want the community schools
only when they're in control of those schools. Like when
a rural area wants to have a community school where
they push their values in the school, that's not acceptable
to Randy Wine Garden and teachers' unions. That needs to
be from above. I mean, we saw that during COVID
as well. Anytime they had local control, they wanted local
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control of schools. But in time they didn't have local control,
they wanted governor control.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Of schools, that's right, and if community schools actually goes through,
So let's think about this for a second. We have
a declining enrollment happening all over the country, right, so
parents are pulling their kids out their homeschooling, choosing private school.
We have choice now in so many different states. We
have essays in Florida, so you can take your money.
You can send your child to any school that will
take right that. That money your tax money. So it's wonderful.
(22:09):
But as we have declining enrollment, they need to do
something with the schools. They're concerned that schools are going
to close, right. I think I saw in Chicago. There's
a school there. You just got thirty five million more
dollars this year in the budget. They are only at
three point eight percent capacity and they have zero percent
of kids reading on grade level. It is just sounds
like Chicago, right, It is just madness. But if we
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allow community schools to go forward. Right now, on average,
federal money makes up anywhere between three and sixteen percent
of any given school district's budget, that will go on steroids.
And if the amount of federal money coming into your
school district starts going up to fifteen percent, twenty percent,
twenty five percent, thirty percent. What it really does is
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you serve the local control the school board. And America
is very special because we have elected officials, elected representatives,
represent constituents on school boards. Not every country is like.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
That, right, Yeah, it's amazing that they're working to overturn
that special situation that we have.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I hope that they don't succeed. I think that they
will probably succeed in the.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Areas that they have the kind of control over these schools.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I'm again not super optimistic about certain parts of America.
I hope that they are able to fight back against
this scourge.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Really, but I feel good in Florida. I wish other
people got to experience it.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, you should feel good in Florida. You know, moms
are fighting back though. I'm up in New York. As
I said, I'm doing a town hall tomorrow night on
News Nation. But I'm here in New York. And in
New York there's something called Prop one that's on the ballot.
And what Prop one is going to do. And by
the way, if you're listening and you're from New York,
vote no on Prop one because it's going to give
(23:55):
illegal immigrants the right to vote, but it's also going
to give miners the right to go and get abortions,
to go on puberty blockers, to do all kinds of
things without the consent and knowledge of parents. It's really
an attack on parental rights. But our moms here in
New York are fighting back. They've been phone banking, they've
been getting out the vote, and it's just really really
important that people have their voices heard.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I hope they win.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I think about those moms, I really do. Those were
you know, my people in New York. But it's hard
to stay optimistic about the blue areas that remain under
these kinds of controls.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
It's tough.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
So a question that I ask all of my guests
is what advice would you give your sixteen year old self?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Would you do this all over again? I would?
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I would? Uh, what advice would I give my sixteen
year old self? Gosh, to not be so hard on myself. Probably.
I look back on pictures of myself in high school,
right of me in high school, and I think I
was very hard on myself. And I look back now
and I always think, wow, you know, I really thought
that I wasn't very pretty or that, you know, and
I think that I should have just enjoyed my life
more and not worried so much about that stuff. Especially
(24:59):
now at forty five, I'm like, you know, eighteen boy.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Didn't we didn't understand anything? Oh we did it?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Looking back at that, Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean,
you know, I think as I've gotten older, I've learned
to have more patients, and so maybe I would say
just be patient and to know that you can't force things.
Sometimes you just have to let things come in time.
But then sometimes you do have to lean in, you know,
and really push and ask for what you want. And
I think I've always been the type of person to
(25:27):
do that. I've just maybe gotten better at asking.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah, and my own age as there was, Yeah, you know,
that is definitely something that I think young people need
to understand, is that sometimes you have to assert yourself
and sometimes it's going to make you unpopular, but that's
the right thing to.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Do, right.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Absolutely well, I've.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Loved this conversation. I think you're awesome and doing such
great work. I hope you were successful in New York
and here with.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Your best tip for my listeners. On how they can
improve their lives.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
If your child's in public school, really create a relationship
with your child's teacher. It's the most important thing that
you can do as far as trying to safeguard your
child in America's public schools. You know, when you go
to the teacher, introduce yourself, ask questions. Ask your kids' school.
If my child's expressing mental distress in any way, how
will you handle that? Will you come to me and
(26:23):
tell me? I want you to come to me and
tell me. You should absolutely tell them that you do
not on any adults meeting with your children without you there.
If the doctor asks you to leave the medical exam
room so they can talk to your child, say no. Parents,
Now is the time to take a stand. Now is
the time to know that God doesn't only give you
the fundamental right to direct the upbringing of your children,
(26:46):
but it's your duty to direct the upbringing of your kids,
and don't let anyone take that away from you.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
She is Tiffany Justice Moms for Liberty. Check her out,
check out their website. They're really fantastic organization.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Thank you so much, Tiffany. Thanks Kerrol, thanks so much
for joining us. On the Carol Marko Show.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
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