December 13, 2024 • 29 mins
In this episode, Lydia Leitermann shares her journey from a producer on TimCast to a stay-at-home mom and outspoken commentator on cultural issues. She discusses the importance of personal responsibility, her views on anarchism, and the current political climate. Lydia emphasizes the significance of motherhood in her life and reflects on her faith and personal growth. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Wednesday & Friday.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi, Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
The Carol Markowitz Show now airs Wednesdays and Fridays, so
you can get this non political podcast The Carol Markowitz
Show on Wednesday and Friday, and then normally the political
podcast I co host with Mary Catherine Ham every Tuesday
and Thursday. You only don't Get Me on Mondays. I
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watch out for cultural stories specifically, and the big one
this week is of a porn star named Lily Phillips.
Lily is a British woman who does OnlyFans, which, if
you don't know what that is, it's basically a pornographic site,
though not always where people pay to get to know
the subject of their porn a little more than they
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would just watching.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Say a video. Lily recently had sex with one hundred
and one men in one sitting and participated in a
documentary titled with one hundred Men in One Day. In
that documentary, she breaks down crying after the event and
says that it made her feel robotic and she doesn't
even remember the faces of any of the men. A
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lot of the online conversation focuses on who is in
the wrong, Is it Lily Is it the men, is
it her mom, who is reportedly her finance manager. I
like what Ben Shapiro said about it, although I'm actually
pretty sure I'm more liberal than him on stuff like
prostitution or porn. I don't think it should be illegal,
for example, but he said, our liberal society has lost
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the language to explain why it's morally wrong for Lily
Phillips to have sex with one hundred and one men
in a day on camera. Consent, it turns out, is
not the only important value. The human soul is sacred,
and only fans profanes it. I agree it does, but
not just for the women. What's interesting to me isn't
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why she did it, which is obviously for money, but
why some of the men did it. There's this depressing detail.
As described by The New York Post, Phillips shared that
it's not just the physical intimacy of having sex with
so many men that made her feel so bad, but
also disappointing them by not being able to talk with
them or even being interested in doing so. She said
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the conversing with them was also hard, and recounted how
one man complained that they only chatted for about two
minutes when She said beforehand that they would talk for
about five minutes. I mean, imagine being Guy eighty five
and what you were really hoping for was five minutes
of conversation. One of the guys had brought her flowers.
So many people are just hungry for companionship only fans
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exasperates that because people feel like they're having a relationship
even when they're very much not. I get why a
man lines up to have random sex, even be Guy
one hundred and one having it, but it says so
much more about our culture that so many men purchase
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the sensation of a relationship without actually being in one.
On OnlyFans. I don't have a solution, or not an
easy one anyway, it's always the same answers. In the end,
Foster Community teacher children how to do that. Praise the
idea of meeting someone to love and cherish and marrying
that person and staying married. Don't let your kids commodify
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relationships or see them as transactional. Make your kids understand
that just because they can do something doesn't mean they should.
As for Lily Phillips, she's already planning a one thousand
man event. No lessons have been learned, no experience gained.
Maybe we can't help her, but we can help those
around us not become her. Thanks for listening. Coming up
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Speaker 3 (05:00):
Three two five. Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show
on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Lydia Lighterman. Lydia is
a former producer of Timcast and has the popular sour
Patch Lid's account on x HI. Lydia. So nice to
have you on.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Hey, Carol, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
So when I asked you to come on, I'm like,
how do I introduce you? And you said, oh, you know,
a former producer of timcast and stay at home mom.
But I find you to be I mean, not that
that's not enough, but I feel like you're very active
in the political world. You're certainly doing a lot. But
how has motherhood been? It's been how long is it now?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
So fourteen months today? It's been fantastic. It's been my
favorite thing on Earth. I know most people knew me
when I was a skinny, miserable, white collar worker on
timcast Irl, which was a super fun job. Don't get
me wrong, but I it's not a very happy person.
I am so much happier now, and I feel like
that's reflected in every part of me except my Twitter account.
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Where I'm still just as fiery and peppery as I
ever was, because there's a lot of issues in the
world and I like to try to address them.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I mean, you're definitely fiery, but you have a sense
of humor about it. Your I wouldn't say you're angry
or like ranty. You you have a very light kind
of way of mocking a lot of the things that
are going on around us.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
I'm trying. I'm trying. I would say I'm angling for
a position at the Babylon Bee. But they are doing
way better than I ever could, so I just follow
them with admiration.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
So what would you consider like your beat? Like what
things do you enjoy covering?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Ooh? So, I think culture is probably the most important
part of the world because I think people look at
the political and they think that's how we solve all
these problems, when the fact is that it comes down
to what we do in our everyday life. And I
was actually talking to Michael Malice about this because recently
I came out as an anarchist, and I said, I
think that this is probably the best way to tackle
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all these problems is to assign the personal responsibility to
everyone and say, actually, you do have our responsibility to
try to fix this yourself. You have a responsibility to
build your family so it's strong. You need to support fam,
your community so that it's like impervious to this kind
of left wing narrative. I remember when I was in
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the DMV area, which is a district of Columbia Mauryland, Virginia,
and I was noticing that in West Virginia they were
starting to get some real left wing school board members.
I was like, Okay, so yes, this absolutely canon does
happen even in the reddest possible state. Now we're in Tennessee,
which is fantastic, we love it very much, and you're
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I think you're in Florida, right, yep, South Florida, yep.
I think in these states it becomes very easy to
be like, Okay, well everything's taken care of. We have
Marsha Blackburn, you have Rona Santa. Is not enough, not enough.
We need to on our own personal level try and
make the differences that we want to see in the world,
because that's the only way it gets better.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
So a few things about that. First of all, my
heart stopped when you said I came out as and
I was like, what did she come out as? What?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Where is just going?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
And then anarchist is not what I was expecting you
to know.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I don't think anyone expected that. They're like, oh, you're
so nice being nice, So I think it's the best.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I mean, I love Malice, he's been on the show.
We're friends for a long time. I thought I only
had the one anarchist friend, but I guess I could
have two more.
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Speaker 3 (10:12):
I fully agree with you on Red States kind of
not relaxing because when I was on book tour and
my book was about the indoctrination of children and the
way it's like in every facet of society, not just schools.
People think of it as just schools, but no, it's
a nutrition's office, as a library, et cetera, et cetera.
I found that Red State audiences were sort of the
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hardest to break through because they all think that they're
safe from this. They think it's craziness that goes on elsewhere,
and you know, we kept trying to bring the point
home that like the teachers in your schools learned the
Marxist textbooks at the teachers colleges exactly as the teachers
in San Francisco did. So, so I agree with you
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on that. But what I want to know is what
is the difference in this category or in this situation
between anarchy and conservativism, Like if you're preserving something the
way conservatives do or say they do, what's the difference.
That's the goal, was the coming out.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, so I was looking at the way the government
at large is acting large being no accidental choice of word,
because they're way too big. My parents were very conservative,
like culturally conservative, but I said that they are closer
to anarchism than some because they were constantly talking about
how the government is good for nothing, literally nothing, and
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literally the smaller government the better. And my parents would
talk at lengths about how important the family was and
how this is the smallest unit of almost the almost
a more important unit of individuality than the individual themselves,
because if you can get into the family and start
to drive wedges between parents and children, it's over like
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that is it? That's the cultural impetus that conservatives today face,
and I think that anarchism addresses that by saying, actually
it is everyone. Everyone needs to step up and say
I will handle this. I will talk to my community.
I will go to my church, my synagogue, wherever I
go worship to join up with people of similar mind
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and I will make sure that everyone is on the
same page. Like that's down to every single one of us.
And it's not just for cultural stuff. This will help
us preserve the stuff that conservatives are fighting for, like this,
this is a big deal. And I think once we
get into the mindset that it is our responsibility, I
think that'll help preserve a lot of the stuff that
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conservatives want. I just wish they would take that mindset
to heart and actually follow through on it. But we'll see,
maybe they will.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Maybe What do you what do you worry about?
Speaker 4 (12:50):
So right now I'm looking at the current events. I
was looking at the Brian Johnson tragedy in New York
City and thinking, I'm looking at everyone who's singing the
praises of the person who did this, And I'm really
happy that Trump won. I really feel like we are
kind of turning a corner. In our culture for the positive,
especially with a Daniel Penny verdict that just came down
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like an hour ago. But we are up against people
who genuinely believe that it's okay to put people out
on the street in broad daylight. They think that's the
way to handle things. Forget about the justice system, forget
about innocent until proven guilty. They didn't solve a problem
by taking out a CEO. The problem is health is
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so much bigger than that, right. I'm sure you're aware
of the deep issues that we have with the healthcare
system in this country, because we do. I think that
everyone can agree on that, both sides of the aisle.
But what the left doesn't seem to understand is that
the ACA is largely to blame for the fact that
everyone is paying so much more here. Not that they'd
ever admit it, but I wish that they would step
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back and think, hey, maybe the answer isn't just to
dispatch of our enemies on the sidewalk, you know, like
that's a serious danger, I think, But hopefully that starts
to die down a little bit. But it's been, like
you said, in the schools, coming from the teachers, people
who don't have children have access to your children. So
they're telling everyone of these things and everyone believes them.
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So we'll see.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Like you said, we're recording this shortly after the Brian
Thompson killing in New York City earlier today, they arrested
a person of interest in that case, and he's a
twenty six year old from Maryland. And I wonder, you know,
if it does come because we have no idea, right
for all, we know, this twenty six year old from
Maryland could have been having an affair with his this
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guy's wife, like we just don't know like where the
piece is fit quite yet. But if it does come
out to be that this guy just wanted to harm
an insurance company ceo, like, I wonder if the Left
will have any accountability on the rhetoric around this and
on what would have provoked this kind of killing in
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the first place. You know, I get you. I think
that that's something to worry about. And I think that
the way that the left has reacted the Taylor Lorenzs
of the world has been really gross and shocking and
yet somehow predictable.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
It is unfortunately both predictable and shocking at the same time.
What troubles me about this particular young man is that
his timeline is full of retweets, sorry, reposts from Andrew Huberman,
and he follows people that I like and respect, like
really like and really respect people I've met in person
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who are good, solid conservatives. So I'm really curious how
they're going to spin this one. But at the same time,
they've kind of taken him under their wing. They kind
of love him, and I'm not sure what they're going
to do with the knowledge that he follows accounts like
that are named things like end Wokeness, like people have
the right wing conservative news beat, right, So this is
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going to be interesting. I will say, someone wished that
we would live in interesting times as a punishing for
something horrible we did. I don't know what we did,
but these are the most interesting times. They trail a.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Little too interesting, like I can definitely have some boring days.
And of course, as you mentioned the day that we're
recording this, the Daniel Penny verdict came down today, and
that was also sort of, I mean, a huge relief.
I was very worried about it. I'm from New York.
I didn't know what twelve jurors in that city might do,
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and the fact that they were a hung jury on
the bigger charge was definitely concerning to me. But you know,
I do feel not just a sense of relief over that,
but a sense of relief for what's going on in
the country. I think, maybe we're moving in a better direction.
What does anarchism say about this? Are we moving in
a better direction?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
So the Daniel Penny case was so interesting because what
people didn't seem to recognize on either side of the
aisle was at Daniel Penny taking responsibility for what was
happening in that subway car was the purest possible form
of anarchism. He saw a problem and instead of freaking
out and crying to authorities and waiting for thirty minutes
for the cops to come, while this unhinged person who's
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clearly high on multiple different substances, very much, very similar
to George Floyd in that regard, But I digress, because
that's a whole different kettle of fish. But he took responsibility,
and he saw an opportunity to act like a man
in a position where almost nobody else is brave enough
to do that anymore. So I'm like extremely culturally grateful
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that they gave him this not guilty verdict, right, and
I'm optimistic that that will make New York City a
better place. Although I'm not going to hold my bright
breath because i can't believe that there was any kind
of any kind of debate on the jury about this
because those people ride the subway right, they know I'm
sure they faced people like Jordan Neely and they still
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were not sure. But I was hearing too, as in
the side that they were able to hear the protesters
from where they were deliberating, which is unbelievable. That should
never happen like this should not happen in New York City.
Bully cows right, I'm really glad that Daniel Penny is
free because he was acting like he was a true
embodiment of everything a good anarchist would do. So that's
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kind of my take on that one.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
How did you get into this like political space, How
did you become a producer for Tim Kass? What was
the background there?
Speaker 4 (18:36):
So I have always loved following the news. I've never
been into sports, so following this kind of competitive nature
of like the back and forth between the right and
the left has always been real interesting to me. I've
always been, always been very, very conservative, and I knew
from the time it was like eleven that I was
never going to be able to do well in journalism
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because no one would appreciate my views like I would
get a fair shake like. So from a very very
early age, I knew that whether I liked writing or not,
no one was going to take me seriously because I
wasn't a flaming liberal. So I was like, all right,
I got to figure out a different way to do it.
So I worked in healthcare for a while and just
kind of forgot about that dream. But then I had
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an opportunity to work with you know, Tim cast I
was like, this is like the chance of lifetime. I
have to do it. And it was such a really fun,
great experience, so cool to meet people like you like,
to meet all of the really like contradictory people in
the right wing space. It was so much fun and
really fantastic, and that's been one of the highlights of
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my life besides motherhood.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
So my overarching memory of being on the show was
freezing to death in that studio, like my fingers didn't
move after It was like a really long show, and
it's so cold in Tim's studio. It's just I mean
in Branklin, we'd.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Say it was rick in there.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, but my fingers literally I had to like, you know,
kind of move them around after to.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Get there again. I used to say that studio that
it was not friendly to women because the guys really
liked how cold it was. And I was just constantly
so mad about how cold it would get, and I
was like, this is really frustrating. I don't want to
be working in this. So I would like wear a
jacket off into or I would do some of my
post stuff from like a different room or whatever. But yeah,
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I was frustrating.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I know who was your favorite guest of the whole
time that you were there?
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Oh, you know, I have considered this. So I really
enjoyed Dennis Prager and he wrote love Dennis, Yes, And
I really hope he's doing better. I know that his
back was injured and he ended up getting secondary complications.
Hopefully he's mending. I love Dennis Prager. He was fantastic
and I loved uh the guy from Ed's manifesto. I
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never remember his last name, his first name Day So
he was recovered alcoholic and he had so much really
cool firsthand experience as a cop in Mexico. He really
wasn't very political, but I really appreciated him. He was
so empathetic and compassionate. And there was the father of
a wrestler from Cuba and he came and talked about
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like anti communism and he fought in that kind of space,
So that was cool as well. So meeting the people
who've really done interesting stuff in other places I think
was kind of the peak. Guest really cool more.
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Speaker 3 (22:57):
What advice would you give a sixteen year old Lydia?
You know, so you got to where you are, you
had this like, you know, really cool experience on Tim Kass.
Now you're a mom and you say it's the best
thing that ever happened to you, and you've come out
as an anarchist, So like a lot going on. Really,
what advice would.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
You give a sixteen year old You say that probably
the biggest lesson I've gathered from the last ten fifteen
years husband to just trust God because there were times
when I just had no idea how things were going
to work out. And I you know, I love my
husband I love my child. It's the best possible like life,
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and I would never have known how to take the
steps to get here on my own, but God made
it happen. So it's really important to relax, not worry
about everything all the time, and trust that God has
a plan for you.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
What advice would you give to people who are looking
for God, Like if if it doesn't come naturally to you,
if you're not raised with it, where do you go
to see?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Came out.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
So one of the things that happened to me, I
considered myself an agnostic for like my teens, you know,
teens are edgy whatever. I was raised in the church.
Yeah you know, I'm sure you do know. But I
was raising the church, so I had that background. But
I was like, you know, I'm not really sure. I
don't want to be. I'm not arrogant enough to say
I know whether God's really there. But I started doing
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anatomy and physiology and biology and that kind of stuff.
As I was getting into the healthcare stuff, I was
doing like pre rex for surgical tech, and the more
I looked at the human body, the more I was like,
there's no way that this is coming about, you know,
by any kind of chance. There's just no way. And
I wrote, and I'm sure other people have said this recently,
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that if you are looking for God and you're not
seeing him, that you should look through a telescope or
you should look through a microscope, because those are the
clearest indicators to me that humans are incredibly loved and
incredibly small and part of a big your picture. Like,
it's so funny to me. The atheists think it's a
gotcha that we live on this tiny, little blue rock
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in the middle of bazillions of miles of nothingness and
we still believe that God thinks highly of us, Like
how arrogant are we? And we're like, no, that's the
coolest thing about believing in God and believing in you know,
his love for us is that we are kind of nothing,
but God views us highly and created us and has
plans for us. That's so neat.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I love that microscope telescope blind. I've never heard that before.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
It's maybe it is original, good, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Maybe you came up with that. So it's funny because
you know, they you know, the argument always is that
God is like at odds with science, but in so
many ways they fit very very well together. And I
heard I think it was Ricky Gervais one time on
a late night show and he said, you know, if
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you burn all the science books, like there will still
be science, but like if you burn the Bibles, like
they won't be God anymore, or something along those lines.
And I was like, well, if you burn the history books,
they'll still be history. Like, just because you won't know
about it doesn't mean that it didn't exist. It's it's
sort of a similar thing to that if you look
at the Bible in a historical way. Even just because
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you're burning the Bible doesn't mean.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
That what happened and it didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
It's like, so I always think that that is like
a weak argument the scientists who want to tear us
away from God.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Yeah, well, it's it's a little bit like C. S.
Lewis talks about how you can put a maniac on
his in a cell and he will know. I forget
how he said it. I'm going to butcher it. But
a lunatic can no more put out the sun by
scribbling darkness on the walls of his cell then a
man can.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
You know?
Speaker 4 (26:51):
A man can nullify God's existence by saying that he
doesn't exist, like it doesn't matter what you say, it
doesn't matter what you do, and that should make you
feel both more at peace and I feel a little
bit insignificant because you can say whatever you want. God's
going still going to exist, and whether you want to
admit it or not, it doesn't really matter. So yeah,
I think Ricky Gervais might have been making a point,
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but not the one he thought he was.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
For sure, Yeah, exactly. So I've loved this conversation. This
has gone places I didn't expect. Leave us here with
your best tip for my listeners on how they can
live a better life.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
So I used to be really, really shy, and I
was thinking about this question before the show because this
is actually pretty significant. I used to be really shy,
and I feel like that my life really began when
I figured out that other people are thinking about themselves
as much as I'm thinking about myself. So all the
time I spend worrying about what other people thinking about me,
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they're spending worrying about what I think about them or
what other people think about them. So just do your thing,
like and this has been really freeing when it comes
to parenting, too, because I literally postponed having children because
I looked at the way mothers treated other mothers and
I was like, no, not interested in that. But it
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doesn't matter what they say. It really doesn't. You're going
to do what's right for your family and you're going
to ignore them because you have your kid's best interest
at heart and you're going to You're just going to
do your best. There's nothing else you can do. You
need to ignore what other people say you really do.
And I know it's super hard because a lot of
us are shy or retiring, or we really do kind
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of care what people think of us. But the most
important thing you can do for yourself is stop worrying
so much about what other people think. So that's my
two cents. That really helped me with my shyness.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
That's really good. I was also very shy as a kid,
and I just had to force myself to get over it.
And yeah, it's hard, super outgoing. I don't know how
that happened. Thank you so much for coming on. She's
Lydia Lighterman. You can find her on exit sour Patch Lids.
It's Lyds and thank you again, Lydia.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
This is great Thank you, Carol, Thanks so much for
joining us on The Carol Markowitz Show.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
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watch out for cultural stories specifically, and the big one
this week is of a porn star named Lily Phillips.
Lily is a British woman who does OnlyFans, which, if
you don't know what that is, it's basically a pornographic site,
though not always where people pay to get to know
the subject of their porn a little more than they
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would just watching.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Say a video. Lily recently had sex with one hundred
and one men in one sitting and participated in a
documentary titled with one hundred Men in One Day. In
that documentary, she breaks down crying after the event and
says that it made her feel robotic and she doesn't
even remember the faces of any of the men. A
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lot of the online conversation focuses on who is in
the wrong, Is it Lily Is it the men, is
it her mom, who is reportedly her finance manager. I
like what Ben Shapiro said about it, although I'm actually
pretty sure I'm more liberal than him on stuff like
prostitution or porn. I don't think it should be illegal,
for example, but he said, our liberal society has lost
(01:37):
the language to explain why it's morally wrong for Lily
Phillips to have sex with one hundred and one men
in a day on camera. Consent, it turns out, is
not the only important value. The human soul is sacred,
and only fans profanes it. I agree it does, but
not just for the women. What's interesting to me isn't
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why she did it, which is obviously for money, but
why some of the men did it. There's this depressing detail.
As described by The New York Post, Phillips shared that
it's not just the physical intimacy of having sex with
so many men that made her feel so bad, but
also disappointing them by not being able to talk with
them or even being interested in doing so. She said
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the conversing with them was also hard, and recounted how
one man complained that they only chatted for about two
minutes when She said beforehand that they would talk for
about five minutes. I mean, imagine being Guy eighty five
and what you were really hoping for was five minutes
of conversation. One of the guys had brought her flowers.
So many people are just hungry for companionship only fans
(02:46):
exasperates that because people feel like they're having a relationship
even when they're very much not. I get why a
man lines up to have random sex, even be Guy
one hundred and one having it, but it says so
much more about our culture that so many men purchase
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the sensation of a relationship without actually being in one.
On OnlyFans. I don't have a solution, or not an
easy one anyway, it's always the same answers. In the end,
Foster Community teacher children how to do that. Praise the
idea of meeting someone to love and cherish and marrying
that person and staying married. Don't let your kids commodify
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relationships or see them as transactional. Make your kids understand
that just because they can do something doesn't mean they should.
As for Lily Phillips, she's already planning a one thousand
man event. No lessons have been learned, no experience gained.
Maybe we can't help her, but we can help those
around us not become her. Thanks for listening. Coming up
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Speaker 3 (05:00):
Three two five. Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show
on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Lydia Lighterman. Lydia is
a former producer of Timcast and has the popular sour
Patch Lid's account on x HI. Lydia. So nice to
have you on.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Hey, Carol, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
So when I asked you to come on, I'm like,
how do I introduce you? And you said, oh, you know,
a former producer of timcast and stay at home mom.
But I find you to be I mean, not that
that's not enough, but I feel like you're very active
in the political world. You're certainly doing a lot. But
how has motherhood been? It's been how long is it now?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
So fourteen months today? It's been fantastic. It's been my
favorite thing on Earth. I know most people knew me
when I was a skinny, miserable, white collar worker on
timcast Irl, which was a super fun job. Don't get
me wrong, but I it's not a very happy person.
I am so much happier now, and I feel like
that's reflected in every part of me except my Twitter account.
(06:08):
Where I'm still just as fiery and peppery as I
ever was, because there's a lot of issues in the
world and I like to try to address them.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I mean, you're definitely fiery, but you have a sense
of humor about it. Your I wouldn't say you're angry
or like ranty. You you have a very light kind
of way of mocking a lot of the things that
are going on around us.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
I'm trying. I'm trying. I would say I'm angling for
a position at the Babylon Bee. But they are doing
way better than I ever could, so I just follow
them with admiration.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
So what would you consider like your beat? Like what
things do you enjoy covering?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Ooh? So, I think culture is probably the most important
part of the world because I think people look at
the political and they think that's how we solve all
these problems, when the fact is that it comes down
to what we do in our everyday life. And I
was actually talking to Michael Malice about this because recently
I came out as an anarchist, and I said, I
think that this is probably the best way to tackle
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all these problems is to assign the personal responsibility to
everyone and say, actually, you do have our responsibility to
try to fix this yourself. You have a responsibility to
build your family so it's strong. You need to support fam,
your community so that it's like impervious to this kind
of left wing narrative. I remember when I was in
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the DMV area, which is a district of Columbia Mauryland, Virginia,
and I was noticing that in West Virginia they were
starting to get some real left wing school board members.
I was like, Okay, so yes, this absolutely canon does
happen even in the reddest possible state. Now we're in Tennessee,
which is fantastic, we love it very much, and you're
(07:49):
I think you're in Florida, right, yep, South Florida, yep.
I think in these states it becomes very easy to
be like, Okay, well everything's taken care of. We have
Marsha Blackburn, you have Rona Santa. Is not enough, not enough.
We need to on our own personal level try and
make the differences that we want to see in the world,
because that's the only way it gets better.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
So a few things about that. First of all, my
heart stopped when you said I came out as and
I was like, what did she come out as? What?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Where is just going?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
And then anarchist is not what I was expecting you
to know.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I don't think anyone expected that. They're like, oh, you're
so nice being nice, So I think it's the best.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I mean, I love Malice, he's been on the show.
We're friends for a long time. I thought I only
had the one anarchist friend, but I guess I could
have two more.
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Speaker 3 (10:12):
I fully agree with you on Red States kind of
not relaxing because when I was on book tour and
my book was about the indoctrination of children and the
way it's like in every facet of society, not just schools.
People think of it as just schools, but no, it's
a nutrition's office, as a library, et cetera, et cetera.
I found that Red State audiences were sort of the
(10:34):
hardest to break through because they all think that they're
safe from this. They think it's craziness that goes on elsewhere,
and you know, we kept trying to bring the point
home that like the teachers in your schools learned the
Marxist textbooks at the teachers colleges exactly as the teachers
in San Francisco did. So, so I agree with you
(10:54):
on that. But what I want to know is what
is the difference in this category or in this situation
between anarchy and conservativism, Like if you're preserving something the
way conservatives do or say they do, what's the difference.
That's the goal, was the coming out.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, so I was looking at the way the government
at large is acting large being no accidental choice of word,
because they're way too big. My parents were very conservative,
like culturally conservative, but I said that they are closer
to anarchism than some because they were constantly talking about
how the government is good for nothing, literally nothing, and
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literally the smaller government the better. And my parents would
talk at lengths about how important the family was and
how this is the smallest unit of almost the almost
a more important unit of individuality than the individual themselves,
because if you can get into the family and start
to drive wedges between parents and children, it's over like
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that is it? That's the cultural impetus that conservatives today face,
and I think that anarchism addresses that by saying, actually
it is everyone. Everyone needs to step up and say
I will handle this. I will talk to my community.
I will go to my church, my synagogue, wherever I
go worship to join up with people of similar mind
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and I will make sure that everyone is on the
same page. Like that's down to every single one of us.
And it's not just for cultural stuff. This will help
us preserve the stuff that conservatives are fighting for, like this,
this is a big deal. And I think once we
get into the mindset that it is our responsibility, I
think that'll help preserve a lot of the stuff that
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conservatives want. I just wish they would take that mindset
to heart and actually follow through on it. But we'll see,
maybe they will.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Maybe What do you what do you worry about?
Speaker 4 (12:50):
So right now I'm looking at the current events. I
was looking at the Brian Johnson tragedy in New York
City and thinking, I'm looking at everyone who's singing the
praises of the person who did this, And I'm really
happy that Trump won. I really feel like we are
kind of turning a corner. In our culture for the positive,
especially with a Daniel Penny verdict that just came down
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like an hour ago. But we are up against people
who genuinely believe that it's okay to put people out
on the street in broad daylight. They think that's the
way to handle things. Forget about the justice system, forget
about innocent until proven guilty. They didn't solve a problem
by taking out a CEO. The problem is health is
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so much bigger than that, right. I'm sure you're aware
of the deep issues that we have with the healthcare
system in this country, because we do. I think that
everyone can agree on that, both sides of the aisle.
But what the left doesn't seem to understand is that
the ACA is largely to blame for the fact that
everyone is paying so much more here. Not that they'd
ever admit it, but I wish that they would step
(13:58):
back and think, hey, maybe the answer isn't just to
dispatch of our enemies on the sidewalk, you know, like
that's a serious danger, I think, But hopefully that starts
to die down a little bit. But it's been, like
you said, in the schools, coming from the teachers, people
who don't have children have access to your children. So
they're telling everyone of these things and everyone believes them.
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So we'll see.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Like you said, we're recording this shortly after the Brian
Thompson killing in New York City earlier today, they arrested
a person of interest in that case, and he's a
twenty six year old from Maryland. And I wonder, you know,
if it does come because we have no idea, right
for all, we know, this twenty six year old from
Maryland could have been having an affair with his this
(14:42):
guy's wife, like we just don't know like where the
piece is fit quite yet. But if it does come
out to be that this guy just wanted to harm
an insurance company ceo, like, I wonder if the Left
will have any accountability on the rhetoric around this and
on what would have provoked this kind of killing in
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the first place. You know, I get you. I think
that that's something to worry about. And I think that
the way that the left has reacted the Taylor Lorenzs
of the world has been really gross and shocking and
yet somehow predictable.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
It is unfortunately both predictable and shocking at the same time.
What troubles me about this particular young man is that
his timeline is full of retweets, sorry, reposts from Andrew Huberman,
and he follows people that I like and respect, like
really like and really respect people I've met in person
(15:42):
who are good, solid conservatives. So I'm really curious how
they're going to spin this one. But at the same time,
they've kind of taken him under their wing. They kind
of love him, and I'm not sure what they're going
to do with the knowledge that he follows accounts like
that are named things like end Wokeness, like people have
the right wing conservative news beat, right, So this is
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going to be interesting. I will say, someone wished that
we would live in interesting times as a punishing for
something horrible we did. I don't know what we did,
but these are the most interesting times. They trail a.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Little too interesting, like I can definitely have some boring days.
And of course, as you mentioned the day that we're
recording this, the Daniel Penny verdict came down today, and
that was also sort of, I mean, a huge relief.
I was very worried about it. I'm from New York.
I didn't know what twelve jurors in that city might do,
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and the fact that they were a hung jury on
the bigger charge was definitely concerning to me. But you know,
I do feel not just a sense of relief over that,
but a sense of relief for what's going on in
the country. I think, maybe we're moving in a better direction.
What does anarchism say about this? Are we moving in
a better direction?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
So the Daniel Penny case was so interesting because what
people didn't seem to recognize on either side of the
aisle was at Daniel Penny taking responsibility for what was
happening in that subway car was the purest possible form
of anarchism. He saw a problem and instead of freaking
out and crying to authorities and waiting for thirty minutes
for the cops to come, while this unhinged person who's
(17:19):
clearly high on multiple different substances, very much, very similar
to George Floyd in that regard, But I digress, because
that's a whole different kettle of fish. But he took responsibility,
and he saw an opportunity to act like a man
in a position where almost nobody else is brave enough
to do that anymore. So I'm like extremely culturally grateful
(17:42):
that they gave him this not guilty verdict, right, and
I'm optimistic that that will make New York City a
better place. Although I'm not going to hold my bright
breath because i can't believe that there was any kind
of any kind of debate on the jury about this
because those people ride the subway right, they know I'm
sure they faced people like Jordan Neely and they still
(18:05):
were not sure. But I was hearing too, as in
the side that they were able to hear the protesters
from where they were deliberating, which is unbelievable. That should
never happen like this should not happen in New York City.
Bully cows right, I'm really glad that Daniel Penny is
free because he was acting like he was a true
embodiment of everything a good anarchist would do. So that's
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kind of my take on that one.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
How did you get into this like political space, How
did you become a producer for Tim Kass? What was
the background there?
Speaker 4 (18:36):
So I have always loved following the news. I've never
been into sports, so following this kind of competitive nature
of like the back and forth between the right and
the left has always been real interesting to me. I've
always been, always been very, very conservative, and I knew
from the time it was like eleven that I was
never going to be able to do well in journalism
(18:57):
because no one would appreciate my views like I would
get a fair shake like. So from a very very
early age, I knew that whether I liked writing or not,
no one was going to take me seriously because I
wasn't a flaming liberal. So I was like, all right,
I got to figure out a different way to do it.
So I worked in healthcare for a while and just
kind of forgot about that dream. But then I had
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an opportunity to work with you know, Tim cast I
was like, this is like the chance of lifetime. I
have to do it. And it was such a really fun,
great experience, so cool to meet people like you like,
to meet all of the really like contradictory people in
the right wing space. It was so much fun and
really fantastic, and that's been one of the highlights of
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my life besides motherhood.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
So my overarching memory of being on the show was
freezing to death in that studio, like my fingers didn't
move after It was like a really long show, and
it's so cold in Tim's studio. It's just I mean
in Branklin, we'd.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Say it was rick in there.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, but my fingers literally I had to like, you know,
kind of move them around after to.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Get there again. I used to say that studio that
it was not friendly to women because the guys really
liked how cold it was. And I was just constantly
so mad about how cold it would get, and I
was like, this is really frustrating. I don't want to
be working in this. So I would like wear a
jacket off into or I would do some of my
post stuff from like a different room or whatever. But yeah,
(20:29):
I was frustrating.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I know who was your favorite guest of the whole
time that you were there?
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Oh, you know, I have considered this. So I really
enjoyed Dennis Prager and he wrote love Dennis, Yes, And
I really hope he's doing better. I know that his
back was injured and he ended up getting secondary complications.
Hopefully he's mending. I love Dennis Prager. He was fantastic
and I loved uh the guy from Ed's manifesto. I
(20:57):
never remember his last name, his first name Day So
he was recovered alcoholic and he had so much really
cool firsthand experience as a cop in Mexico. He really
wasn't very political, but I really appreciated him. He was
so empathetic and compassionate. And there was the father of
a wrestler from Cuba and he came and talked about
(21:21):
like anti communism and he fought in that kind of space,
So that was cool as well. So meeting the people
who've really done interesting stuff in other places I think
was kind of the peak. Guest really cool more.
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Speaker 3 (22:57):
What advice would you give a sixteen year old Lydia?
You know, so you got to where you are, you
had this like, you know, really cool experience on Tim Kass.
Now you're a mom and you say it's the best
thing that ever happened to you, and you've come out
as an anarchist, So like a lot going on. Really,
what advice would.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
You give a sixteen year old You say that probably
the biggest lesson I've gathered from the last ten fifteen
years husband to just trust God because there were times
when I just had no idea how things were going
to work out. And I you know, I love my
husband I love my child. It's the best possible like life,
(23:36):
and I would never have known how to take the
steps to get here on my own, but God made
it happen. So it's really important to relax, not worry
about everything all the time, and trust that God has
a plan for you.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
What advice would you give to people who are looking
for God, Like if if it doesn't come naturally to you,
if you're not raised with it, where do you go
to see?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Came out.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
So one of the things that happened to me, I
considered myself an agnostic for like my teens, you know,
teens are edgy whatever. I was raised in the church.
Yeah you know, I'm sure you do know. But I
was raising the church, so I had that background. But
I was like, you know, I'm not really sure. I
don't want to be. I'm not arrogant enough to say
I know whether God's really there. But I started doing
(24:22):
anatomy and physiology and biology and that kind of stuff.
As I was getting into the healthcare stuff, I was
doing like pre rex for surgical tech, and the more
I looked at the human body, the more I was like,
there's no way that this is coming about, you know,
by any kind of chance. There's just no way. And
I wrote, and I'm sure other people have said this recently,
(24:43):
that if you are looking for God and you're not
seeing him, that you should look through a telescope or
you should look through a microscope, because those are the
clearest indicators to me that humans are incredibly loved and
incredibly small and part of a big your picture. Like,
it's so funny to me. The atheists think it's a
gotcha that we live on this tiny, little blue rock
(25:06):
in the middle of bazillions of miles of nothingness and
we still believe that God thinks highly of us, Like
how arrogant are we? And we're like, no, that's the
coolest thing about believing in God and believing in you know,
his love for us is that we are kind of nothing,
but God views us highly and created us and has
plans for us. That's so neat.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I love that microscope telescope blind. I've never heard that before.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
It's maybe it is original, good, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Maybe you came up with that. So it's funny because
you know, they you know, the argument always is that
God is like at odds with science, but in so
many ways they fit very very well together. And I
heard I think it was Ricky Gervais one time on
a late night show and he said, you know, if
(25:53):
you burn all the science books, like there will still
be science, but like if you burn the Bibles, like
they won't be God anymore, or something along those lines.
And I was like, well, if you burn the history books,
they'll still be history. Like, just because you won't know
about it doesn't mean that it didn't exist. It's it's
sort of a similar thing to that if you look
at the Bible in a historical way. Even just because
(26:17):
you're burning the Bible doesn't mean.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
That what happened and it didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
It's like, so I always think that that is like
a weak argument the scientists who want to tear us
away from God.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Yeah, well, it's it's a little bit like C. S.
Lewis talks about how you can put a maniac on
his in a cell and he will know. I forget
how he said it. I'm going to butcher it. But
a lunatic can no more put out the sun by
scribbling darkness on the walls of his cell then a
man can.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
You know?
Speaker 4 (26:51):
A man can nullify God's existence by saying that he
doesn't exist, like it doesn't matter what you say, it
doesn't matter what you do, and that should make you
feel both more at peace and I feel a little
bit insignificant because you can say whatever you want. God's
going still going to exist, and whether you want to
admit it or not, it doesn't really matter. So yeah,
I think Ricky Gervais might have been making a point,
(27:11):
but not the one he thought he was.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
For sure, Yeah, exactly. So I've loved this conversation. This
has gone places I didn't expect. Leave us here with
your best tip for my listeners on how they can
live a better life.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
So I used to be really, really shy, and I
was thinking about this question before the show because this
is actually pretty significant. I used to be really shy,
and I feel like that my life really began when
I figured out that other people are thinking about themselves
as much as I'm thinking about myself. So all the
time I spend worrying about what other people thinking about me,
(27:48):
they're spending worrying about what I think about them or
what other people think about them. So just do your thing,
like and this has been really freeing when it comes
to parenting, too, because I literally postponed having children because
I looked at the way mothers treated other mothers and
I was like, no, not interested in that. But it
(28:09):
doesn't matter what they say. It really doesn't. You're going
to do what's right for your family and you're going
to ignore them because you have your kid's best interest
at heart and you're going to You're just going to
do your best. There's nothing else you can do. You
need to ignore what other people say you really do.
And I know it's super hard because a lot of
us are shy or retiring, or we really do kind
(28:31):
of care what people think of us. But the most
important thing you can do for yourself is stop worrying
so much about what other people think. So that's my
two cents. That really helped me with my shyness.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
That's really good. I was also very shy as a kid,
and I just had to force myself to get over it.
And yeah, it's hard, super outgoing. I don't know how
that happened. Thank you so much for coming on. She's
Lydia Lighterman. You can find her on exit sour Patch Lids.
It's Lyds and thank you again, Lydia.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
This is great Thank you, Carol, Thanks so much for
joining us on The Carol Markowitz Show.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
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