June 13, 2025 • 22 mins
In this conversation, Oli London shares his transformative journey from a social media influencer to an advocate for Christian values and against anti-Semitism. He discusses the challenges parents face regarding their children's gender identity, the role of schools in these discussions, and the importance of standing up for marginalized communities. Oli emphasizes the need for positivity and kindness in everyday life, encouraging listeners to make a difference in the world. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Wednesday & Friday.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitch Show on iHeartRadio. My
guest today is Ali London. Ali is the author of
the book Gender Madness, One man's devastating struggle with WALK
ideology and his battle to protect children. Hi, Ali, so
nice to have you on.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hey, Carol, so great to be with you. Thanks for
having me.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
So I've followed you on you know, Twitter and then
X for a very long time, and you're always very
on top of all the news. You feel like you
have all the stories kind of just as they're breaking.
What made you get into this world?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
So I actually started out on social media being more
of a kind of influencer, so travel, fashion, music, comedy
videos on TikTok and now I did that for probably
about five years, and it just wasn't very fulfilling for me.
You know, I wanted to actually use my platform to
try and do something good, to try to share a
positive message and to try help people. So, you know,
(00:59):
about three years ago, I actually became a Christian started
going to church and that actually really helped me have
some clarity in life and just want to change my
life and you know, try to give back to other
people and raise awareness of issues.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It's amazing. How did you become a Christian? What led
you to that?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So? I was going through a kind of identity crisis,
and you know, I was very lost, and you know,
throughout my life I was you know, I went to
a Christian school as a kid, but then as a
teenager became atheist and had no relationship with God. I
was kind of pushed away from God. You know. It
was only three and a half years ago when I
needed to make some changes in my life. You know,
(01:38):
I wasn't happy with who I was, the direction I
was going, so I needed to find a different outlet
that would give me some positivity, that would give me
some motivation. Yes, So I basically slowly started going to
church and found the Christian community super welcoming and kind
and you know, amazing people, and you know, just become
very passionate about faith ever since, and just been to
(02:00):
the Holy Land Jerusalem, and you know, planning to get
baptized later this year. So yeah, it's been a great journey.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So it's not an easier path, that's for sure, especially
living in a public way. I think it would have
been easier to stay an influencer talking about travel and food.
Do you have any regrets?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
You know, it definitely was a lot easier just posting
fashion pictures, music, entertainment. You know, I still did get
some hate, but you know what the hate now is
obviously like tenfold. I've got the transactivists, I've got the
Palestine activists. You know, at the end of the day,
I think that as long as you're doing something positive
in the world, you're trying to help people, you know,
(02:40):
I think it doesn't matter about the backlash, doesn't matter
about the hate. And you know, it might be more
difficult now being outspoken about certain issues, but you know,
it's totally worth it when you can make a difference
to someone's life, like you know, parents that are maybe
struggling with their kids being susceptible to gender idology, or
the Jewish community that right now really need people speaking up.
(03:00):
So you know, whatever, these the hate, all the difficulties online,
it's worth it to try and help these people.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
What made you right, gender madness.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So I went through my own identity crisis for a
long time. Actually, since I was a teenager. I always
struggled with who I was and wanted to change myself.
Struggle with gender identity the way I looked. So I
went for a lot of changes, and you know, I
got to a stage again three and a half years
ago when I became Christian, when I just wasn't satisfied
with myself, and you know, I thought, what is what
(03:31):
am I doing? You know, this isn't making me happy,
it's actually making me unhappy. How can I try and
change this? So, you know, I went through that process,
had some therapy, went to church, and then I was
you know, I wanted to try and help people that
are going through this struggle because it's a very common issue.
You know, it's affecting so many young people these days, kids, teens,
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and you know, for parents, it's a very tough challenge.
So I think, you know, because I went through that personally,
to try and offer that insight, to try and help
people struggling, to try and give them some hopes, some positivity,
to try and get people to embrace who they are
and learn to love themselves, and just to give some
help for parents because there wasn't anything out there care well,
there was no manual out there to help people that
(04:17):
are going through this. There's no information to help the transitioners.
So I wanted to compile all of that information in
one book to try and you know, try and help people.
So it's you know, kind of like a self help book.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I love that. So not to give away you know,
the book plot, let's say, but what's the first step
that you tell parents to take if their kids are
kind of going down that gender confused path.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Well, it's a very very tough situation because you have
different types of parents. You have some parents that generally
push this on kids, and you know, there is people
call it Munchausen by proxy when you have some parents
will want their kids to be trans or non binary
because it makes them special, because they stand out and
they get attention. But then you have any parents that
generally just want to help their kid and ye know,
(05:03):
they don't know what to do care or they're struggling,
and you know, their kid is coming home from school,
they're changing, they're changing their pronouns, you know, changing their identity,
and you know, most parents just want to help their
kids be happy and be the best version of themselves.
But you know, I think parents really need to be
aware of what's going on, you know, at school, behind
the scenes. You know, maybe in after school clubs, you know,
(05:25):
what are their kids being exposed to online, you know.
You know, parents can have kind of parental controls on
phones just to make sure the kid isn't you know,
on TikTok five hours a day looking at you know,
transactivists telling them how to transition, you know, because that
is a thing on TikTok. So I think, you know,
parents just need to be aware of what's going on
behind the scenes, to try and see the signs of
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their kids struggling with something and just try to speak
to them, you know, heart to heart, try to help them.
But it is a very difficult situation because some kids,
because of the transidology, they're taught to push away from
their parents. So if the parent comes in to try
and help them, they are being told by people around
them too that your parents is a bad person. They're
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trying to stop living your life. So it's a very,
very challenge.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Even when I lived in New York and I saw
the trends, you know, insanity kind of explode onto the scene,
there were a lot of parents who were even super
left parents who their kid would say to them, I
think I'm the opposite gender, and they would say, well why,
And a girl would say, well, I play sports, and
I like to climb trees, and I like to wear pants.
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And if the parents didn't immediately support that, the school
would often step in and let the kid be a
boy at school. And it was really tough. Even again,
even for very liberal parents, they could not get their
kids sort of away from that. I mean, you know,
you feel less sorry for them because it's the system
(06:57):
that they've built. But I would just want to say
that it's not that all parents want this for their kids.
Even very left parents often don't.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, yeah, very good point. I mean, like you said
in New York, in other Democrats states like Oregon, Washington State, California,
sometimes you know, if the parents doesn't want their kid
to transition, or you know, they're trying to look out
for their kids, the school will then push that and
you'll have school therapists and counselors transitioning the kid, giving
them new pronouns, giving them a new name, you know,
(07:28):
affirming that gender identity. That is wrong because at the
end of the day, the kids should only be having
you know, the parents should be involved in their life.
They shouldn't have some school counselor some teacher, you know,
some pronoun person pushing this on the kids. That is
a conversation to have between the parent and the kid.
And it is very concerning because, like you said, there
(07:49):
are liberal parents out there that you know, their kid
might be a tomboy, and you know, there's you know,
what happened, what happened to tom boys? There are so
many tomboys in the seventeen eighties, nineties suddenly that they
them they are you know, trans and it's it's it's wrong.
You know, we should just let kids enjoy their lives,
you know, grow up. And there's lots of girls that
(08:10):
like to do you know, typically boys things football, you know,
climate trees, there's lots of you know, lots of boys
that might want to play with barbies, or they like
the color pink. You know, doesn't mean they should be
changing gender. Doesn't mean they should. So yeah, so that
is something that the parent needs to be aware of.
And you know, it's it's you're absolutely right. There are
schools that push it. There are certain you know states,
(08:33):
Democrat states that push it and make like Colorado is
a transanctuary state, and you know, they will sometimes get
child protective services to take the kid from the parents.
So it's a really horrible situation for any family. Right.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I often say this, but had this happened when I
was in high school, I would one million percent be
they them. I would a million percent make my teachers
call me a different pronoun every day they get it wrong, they.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Get in trouble.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Oh, their power. I would have definitely liked that. I
think it's just it is a lot of influence to
give a child to say, everyone around you is going
to affirm whatever crazy thing you think, and if they don't,
they can get in trouble. It's a lot of power.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, And there's also now all sorts of trends. You've
got this furries trend, which is basically people dressing up
as furry animals and you know, like dressing up as
dogs and barking, dressing up as cats and meowing and
you know they're running around on all fours. And in
some classrooms you have that now and it's like the
teachers going along with it. That is just insanity. It's
like crazy. So we get that kids. You know, a
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little kid might say they want to be a dinosaur,
what they might want to be an astronaut one day,
you know, like Katie Perry. But it doesn't mean, you know,
it doesn't mean we should be affirming their whatever they
feel like that day. You know, it's like their kids.
Just let them have fun, let them be happy. But
you know, don't then go stay to that kid. Okay,
let's take you to the dog, Let's get you some hormones,
(10:01):
let's cut off your body parts. You know, that is
just insanity. And like you said, you know, years ago
that wasn't a case. And some kids they also like
to rebel. So if you can now give them that
power that they can say they're teacher misgendered them. You know,
that would have been.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Why I would do it. I feel like I was
always pretty girly, but I would have one hundred percent
used that influence. I mean why now, oh, I would
have leaned so into it. For sure, they them all
the way. So it wasn't enough that you get all
this hate for your extremely sane views on trans you
(10:37):
then have become sort of an outspoken voice on Israel
and against antisemitism.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Why well, again, it's part of my Christian journey. So
you know, since I became Christian, I've been outspoken on
a variety of issues because I think, you know, you
can't turn a blind eye to certain things, and you know,
people somebody needs to speak up. And you know, what
I've seen happening to Jews around the world in the
way of October seventh is it's absolutely abhorrent to see,
(11:03):
you know, Jews in New York scared to wear a
keeper or the surr of David. Same in London, same
in Berlin, and it's so wrong. So I just feel that,
you know, if you have a platform, even if you
have one hundred followers, you should be speaking up for
other people. And you know, as we know, Jews are
the most persecuted people in history. And the fact that this,
you know, what happened obviously during the Holocaust, and now
(11:25):
people are repeating that same kind of level of rhetoric,
that same level of anti Semitism. You know that you
had Crystal Knack. There was a similar incident last year
in Amsterdam withoot Israeli football fans being attacked, and it's
shocking to see. It's like history repeating itself. So I
feel like I want to be on the right side
of history. And I think, you know, people like Jewish
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people should not be alone, you know, and sadly. You know,
been to Israel three times in the last year and
a half, and you know a lot of them say
they feel, you know, they're quite surprised that there's a
non Jew standing up for them, and I think that's shocking.
I think it's shocking that they should say that, that
there's not more people speaking up. It's for me, it's
common sense, it's human decency, especially what happens on October seventh.
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And you know, spend a lot of time in New York.
New York has the biggest Jewish community in America, and
it's very sad that they don't feel safe going to places.
It's very sad that Israeli restaurants and businesses are targeted
and you know, people wearing you know, traditional Jewish clothing
or Orthodox Jews are getting attacked and it's just wrong.
So I think for me personally, it's very important to
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speak up.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
You're very appreciated, I assure you of that, but it
is it is hard for me to imagine taking that
kind of risk, and it's not even you know, it's
again very appreciated, but the idea that you don't have
to be doing this is often something that I think
about like you could have taken the easier path. You
could have you could have stuck with your just one
(12:54):
controversial topic.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
You know, well, you know I've already got the transactivist attacked.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So you're like, what anti Semites? It's really it's the
same people laughing too.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Actually you know it actually is it's the queerst of Palestine,
you know, the they them. So you know what, I
just think, at the end of the day, I want
to have a good moral compass. I think we should
all have a good moral compass, and we should speak
up for people that need a voice. And at the
moment Jewish people are having a very difficult time in Europe, Canada,
Australia is very bad, you know, so it's important to
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speak up for them. And you know, we shouldn't. We
shouldn't have to worry about what other people think or
I'm going to get some hate comments. You know, who
cares about that? If you can help somebody that is,
you know, being persecuted or being attacked. You know, A
big studyer of history, read a lot of books, and
you know, I've seen I saw what happened in nineteen
thirties Germany with the build up, and it wasn't an
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overnight thing. It happened over decades. This hatred of Jews,
it's always been there, sadly, and you see the build up.
So I've seen the build up since October seventh, and
you know, it's very concerning. So everybody should be speaking up,
so you know, who cares about few hate comments or whatever.
If we all speak up, you know there's nothing to
worry about. So you know, I just want to encourage
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people to speak up.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Very very brave of you. Honestly, more coming up with
Ali London. But first, folks, we are seeing something truly disturbing.
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Speaker 2 (15:53):
You know, I worry about the state of the world.
I mean, thank god President Trump is back because we've
seen a huge it's like a miracle. You know what's
happened in the US within the last hundred days. You know,
so many great things, and it did feel like, you know,
the world was changing in a very dark way, you know,
with the Kamala Harrison. You know, Democrats and around the
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world becoming very socialists. So it is great to see
Trump is back, and you know, America is being respected
again by the world. And you know, I know Europe's
being a bit weird with the Trump administration, but you know,
Trump and JD. Vants are are being tough on them rightly.
So but I you know, I worry about the future
because it seems in some countries are going very authoritarian,
(16:36):
like the United Kingdom, free speeches being attacked. You have
Christians praying outside abortion clinics silently getting arrested, So that
is a concern and a concern across Europe to see
the growing trend of you again, anti semitism in Sweden,
in Germany, in Amsterdam. So yeah, that's a concern. But
(16:58):
I think now with Trump, I think there is a
confidence across the world that things are changing. Certainly, people
in Israel, the Jewish community seem more confident and seem
very grateful that there's a new administration that's on their
side that most priories radio administration in modern history. So
for sure, I think things are changing, so we should
always have a positive outlook.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I was very pessimistic for the last four years and
I never was really before. I you know, I'm an
immigrant to the United States. I was born in the
Soviet Union. I feel so lucky all the time to
be an American. But last four years I was definitely
feeling like we were on a really wrong path. I
mean longer than four years, but the last four years
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really brought it into focus. I agree with you. I
think that it's an optimistic moment. I don't love every
single thing he does, but I don't think it's normal too,
like every single thing a politician does. So I'm feeling good.
I think it's a brighter moment. You know, these podcasts
are recorded like several weeks out, so I hope we're
still feeling like this when this comes out. What advice
(18:03):
would you give your sixteen year old self.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
That's a great question. I would just say, you know,
it's it's tough as a teenager. You know, all teenagers
struggle with who they are, their identity confidence, And I
would just say, be confident with who you are, learn
to love your own skin and be happy with who
you are, and try to try to always do something
every single day to help other people, whether that's giving
somebody a compliment, you know, saying to a woman, oh
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that's a beautiful dress today. You know, just make someone
feel good, you know, feeding a stray dog on the streets.
Something every day, just make a small impact because that
can make a world of difference to that one personal animal.
So that would be my advice to my sixteen year
old self. You know, be confident, don't change yourself, and
just always every day be grateful and try to make
a small difference.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I feel like sixteen year olds aren't confident by nature,
but it's an important treat and if they're not, I
think you can you can head down some dark past.
I think we're seeing the result of that in so
many different places where unconfident people are retreating to their
kind of I don't want to say wholes, but that's
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what it seems like a lot of the time on
the social media. What would have made you more confident
at the time.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I mean, that's really tough to think because I think
all teenagers struggle with anxiety, self esteem, self confidence. So
that is a tough question to try and say that.
But just just to tell the.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Kids are getting into the teen years, so this is particularly.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Interesting to me. Yeah, I mean, you know, all teens
go for it. But I would just say, you know,
whatever you feel right now is going to change. It's
going to be completely different as you get older. As
you get older, you get more wisdom, you grow in confidence.
So whatever anxiety you have as a teen, don't worry
about it, you know, don't stress. You'll be happy as
you get older. You know, once maybe you start a
university or you know, once you start a career in life.
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So just have a goal in life, whatever career you
want to do, stick to it, stay motivated. And yeah,
that would be my advice because it is tough. You know,
teens they feel, you know, the world is against them,
and I think that's why many teens do turn to
this gender ideology for a way of a scape, or
to try and stand out, or even to gain attention.
So I would just say, yeah, I just just try
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to be happy with who you are.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. Would you tell your
sixteen year old self to turn to God or did
you need the kind of path that you took to
get there?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
You know, I definitely would, but I think I did
need to go through the path and journey I did
go through to be doing what I do now. So
you know, like I said, I did go to a
Christian school as a kid, but then there's a teen
that came atheist. But you know, I would say, everybody
has a different path in life, and you know, God
will guide you. And you know, some people are born
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into Christian families, some people as they're an adult, you know.
So I think everybody is different. I think already has
a plan for everybody, so it will happen whenever it's
meant to be. But I do think for young people
it's important to have faith, to have that sense of community,
to have that sense of doing goodwill and giving back
to the world and kindness. I think there's a lot
of great, great messages in the Christian faith.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Love it. I feel very close to the Christians in
my life. I think we have a very similar shared values. Obviously,
like the Sebastian and a Skulka. He talks about Italians,
but he says, you know, same corporation, different divisions. That's
very much how I feel about the Christians in my life.
I've loved this conversation. You're such an interesting person. Leave
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us here, with your best tip for my listeners on
how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So my best tip would just be again, yeah, do
something positive every day. And you know everybody has stress
in life, whether that's you know, doing the nine to
five jobs. Some people have to work two jobs or
free jobs. You know, you might be going for a
difficult time, you might be going through divorce. But just
try to every day do something positive to help somebody
else's life, whether that's smiling at someone you know, taking
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a moment to help an elderly lady across the street,
you know, speaking to someone in a store. You know,
just spread positivity. I think if you do that, you
receive that positivity back and you know, it can change
your outlook on life, it can make you positive. So yeah,
just try to do something good every day.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I love it. Thank you so much. He is Ali London.
Check out his book Gender Madness. Thank you so much
for coming on, Ali, that's a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Thank you. Carol
Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitch Show on iHeartRadio. My
guest today is Ali London. Ali is the author of
the book Gender Madness, One man's devastating struggle with WALK
ideology and his battle to protect children. Hi, Ali, so
nice to have you on.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hey, Carol, so great to be with you. Thanks for
having me.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
So I've followed you on you know, Twitter and then
X for a very long time, and you're always very
on top of all the news. You feel like you
have all the stories kind of just as they're breaking.
What made you get into this world?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
So I actually started out on social media being more
of a kind of influencer, so travel, fashion, music, comedy
videos on TikTok and now I did that for probably
about five years, and it just wasn't very fulfilling for me.
You know, I wanted to actually use my platform to
try and do something good, to try to share a
positive message and to try help people. So, you know,
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about three years ago, I actually became a Christian started
going to church and that actually really helped me have
some clarity in life and just want to change my
life and you know, try to give back to other
people and raise awareness of issues.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It's amazing. How did you become a Christian? What led
you to that?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So? I was going through a kind of identity crisis,
and you know, I was very lost, and you know,
throughout my life I was you know, I went to
a Christian school as a kid, but then as a
teenager became atheist and had no relationship with God. I
was kind of pushed away from God. You know. It
was only three and a half years ago when I
needed to make some changes in my life. You know,
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I wasn't happy with who I was, the direction I
was going, so I needed to find a different outlet
that would give me some positivity, that would give me
some motivation. Yes, So I basically slowly started going to
church and found the Christian community super welcoming and kind
and you know, amazing people, and you know, just become
very passionate about faith ever since, and just been to
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the Holy Land Jerusalem, and you know, planning to get
baptized later this year. So yeah, it's been a great journey.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So it's not an easier path, that's for sure, especially
living in a public way. I think it would have
been easier to stay an influencer talking about travel and food.
Do you have any regrets?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
You know, it definitely was a lot easier just posting
fashion pictures, music, entertainment. You know, I still did get
some hate, but you know what the hate now is
obviously like tenfold. I've got the transactivists, I've got the
Palestine activists. You know, at the end of the day,
I think that as long as you're doing something positive
in the world, you're trying to help people, you know,
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I think it doesn't matter about the backlash, doesn't matter
about the hate. And you know, it might be more
difficult now being outspoken about certain issues, but you know,
it's totally worth it when you can make a difference
to someone's life, like you know, parents that are maybe
struggling with their kids being susceptible to gender idology, or
the Jewish community that right now really need people speaking up.
(03:00):
So you know, whatever, these the hate, all the difficulties online,
it's worth it to try and help these people.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
What made you right, gender madness.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So I went through my own identity crisis for a
long time. Actually, since I was a teenager. I always
struggled with who I was and wanted to change myself.
Struggle with gender identity the way I looked. So I
went for a lot of changes, and you know, I
got to a stage again three and a half years
ago when I became Christian, when I just wasn't satisfied
with myself, and you know, I thought, what is what
(03:31):
am I doing? You know, this isn't making me happy,
it's actually making me unhappy. How can I try and
change this? So, you know, I went through that process,
had some therapy, went to church, and then I was
you know, I wanted to try and help people that
are going through this struggle because it's a very common issue.
You know, it's affecting so many young people these days, kids, teens,
(03:55):
and you know, for parents, it's a very tough challenge.
So I think, you know, because I went through that personally,
to try and offer that insight, to try and help
people struggling, to try and give them some hopes, some positivity,
to try and get people to embrace who they are
and learn to love themselves, and just to give some
help for parents because there wasn't anything out there care well,
there was no manual out there to help people that
(04:17):
are going through this. There's no information to help the transitioners.
So I wanted to compile all of that information in
one book to try and you know, try and help people.
So it's you know, kind of like a self help book.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I love that. So not to give away you know,
the book plot, let's say, but what's the first step
that you tell parents to take if their kids are
kind of going down that gender confused path.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Well, it's a very very tough situation because you have
different types of parents. You have some parents that generally
push this on kids, and you know, there is people
call it Munchausen by proxy when you have some parents
will want their kids to be trans or non binary
because it makes them special, because they stand out and
they get attention. But then you have any parents that
generally just want to help their kid and ye know,
(05:03):
they don't know what to do care or they're struggling,
and you know, their kid is coming home from school,
they're changing, they're changing their pronouns, you know, changing their identity,
and you know, most parents just want to help their
kids be happy and be the best version of themselves.
But you know, I think parents really need to be
aware of what's going on, you know, at school, behind
the scenes. You know, maybe in after school clubs, you know,
(05:25):
what are their kids being exposed to online, you know.
You know, parents can have kind of parental controls on
phones just to make sure the kid isn't you know,
on TikTok five hours a day looking at you know,
transactivists telling them how to transition, you know, because that
is a thing on TikTok. So I think, you know,
parents just need to be aware of what's going on
behind the scenes, to try and see the signs of
(05:47):
their kids struggling with something and just try to speak
to them, you know, heart to heart, try to help them.
But it is a very difficult situation because some kids,
because of the transidology, they're taught to push away from
their parents. So if the parent comes in to try
and help them, they are being told by people around
them too that your parents is a bad person. They're
(06:08):
trying to stop living your life. So it's a very,
very challenge.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Even when I lived in New York and I saw
the trends, you know, insanity kind of explode onto the scene,
there were a lot of parents who were even super
left parents who their kid would say to them, I
think I'm the opposite gender, and they would say, well why,
And a girl would say, well, I play sports, and
I like to climb trees, and I like to wear pants.
(06:35):
And if the parents didn't immediately support that, the school
would often step in and let the kid be a
boy at school. And it was really tough. Even again,
even for very liberal parents, they could not get their
kids sort of away from that. I mean, you know,
you feel less sorry for them because it's the system
(06:57):
that they've built. But I would just want to say
that it's not that all parents want this for their kids.
Even very left parents often don't.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, yeah, very good point. I mean, like you said
in New York, in other Democrats states like Oregon, Washington State, California,
sometimes you know, if the parents doesn't want their kid
to transition, or you know, they're trying to look out
for their kids, the school will then push that and
you'll have school therapists and counselors transitioning the kid, giving
them new pronouns, giving them a new name, you know,
(07:28):
affirming that gender identity. That is wrong because at the
end of the day, the kids should only be having
you know, the parents should be involved in their life.
They shouldn't have some school counselor some teacher, you know,
some pronoun person pushing this on the kids. That is
a conversation to have between the parent and the kid.
And it is very concerning because, like you said, there
(07:49):
are liberal parents out there that you know, their kid
might be a tomboy, and you know, there's you know,
what happened, what happened to tom boys? There are so
many tomboys in the seventeen eighties, nineties suddenly that they
them they are you know, trans and it's it's it's wrong.
You know, we should just let kids enjoy their lives,
you know, grow up. And there's lots of girls that
(08:10):
like to do you know, typically boys things football, you know,
climate trees, there's lots of you know, lots of boys
that might want to play with barbies, or they like
the color pink. You know, doesn't mean they should be
changing gender. Doesn't mean they should. So yeah, so that
is something that the parent needs to be aware of.
And you know, it's it's you're absolutely right. There are
schools that push it. There are certain you know states,
(08:33):
Democrat states that push it and make like Colorado is
a transanctuary state, and you know, they will sometimes get
child protective services to take the kid from the parents.
So it's a really horrible situation for any family. Right.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I often say this, but had this happened when I
was in high school, I would one million percent be
they them. I would a million percent make my teachers
call me a different pronoun every day they get it wrong, they.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Get in trouble.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Oh, their power. I would have definitely liked that. I
think it's just it is a lot of influence to
give a child to say, everyone around you is going
to affirm whatever crazy thing you think, and if they don't,
they can get in trouble. It's a lot of power.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, And there's also now all sorts of trends. You've
got this furries trend, which is basically people dressing up
as furry animals and you know, like dressing up as
dogs and barking, dressing up as cats and meowing and
you know they're running around on all fours. And in
some classrooms you have that now and it's like the
teachers going along with it. That is just insanity. It's
like crazy. So we get that kids. You know, a
(09:41):
little kid might say they want to be a dinosaur,
what they might want to be an astronaut one day,
you know, like Katie Perry. But it doesn't mean, you know,
it doesn't mean we should be affirming their whatever they
feel like that day. You know, it's like their kids.
Just let them have fun, let them be happy. But
you know, don't then go stay to that kid. Okay,
let's take you to the dog, Let's get you some hormones,
(10:01):
let's cut off your body parts. You know, that is
just insanity. And like you said, you know, years ago
that wasn't a case. And some kids they also like
to rebel. So if you can now give them that
power that they can say they're teacher misgendered them. You know,
that would have been.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Why I would do it. I feel like I was
always pretty girly, but I would have one hundred percent
used that influence. I mean why now, oh, I would
have leaned so into it. For sure, they them all
the way. So it wasn't enough that you get all
this hate for your extremely sane views on trans you
(10:37):
then have become sort of an outspoken voice on Israel
and against antisemitism.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Why well, again, it's part of my Christian journey. So
you know, since I became Christian, I've been outspoken on
a variety of issues because I think, you know, you
can't turn a blind eye to certain things, and you know,
people somebody needs to speak up. And you know, what
I've seen happening to Jews around the world in the
way of October seventh is it's absolutely abhorrent to see,
(11:03):
you know, Jews in New York scared to wear a
keeper or the surr of David. Same in London, same
in Berlin, and it's so wrong. So I just feel that,
you know, if you have a platform, even if you
have one hundred followers, you should be speaking up for
other people. And you know, as we know, Jews are
the most persecuted people in history. And the fact that this,
you know, what happened obviously during the Holocaust, and now
(11:25):
people are repeating that same kind of level of rhetoric,
that same level of anti Semitism. You know that you
had Crystal Knack. There was a similar incident last year
in Amsterdam withoot Israeli football fans being attacked, and it's
shocking to see. It's like history repeating itself. So I
feel like I want to be on the right side
of history. And I think, you know, people like Jewish
(11:46):
people should not be alone, you know, and sadly. You know,
been to Israel three times in the last year and
a half, and you know a lot of them say
they feel, you know, they're quite surprised that there's a
non Jew standing up for them, and I think that's shocking.
I think it's shocking that they should say that, that
there's not more people speaking up. It's for me, it's
common sense, it's human decency, especially what happens on October seventh.
(12:08):
And you know, spend a lot of time in New York.
New York has the biggest Jewish community in America, and
it's very sad that they don't feel safe going to places.
It's very sad that Israeli restaurants and businesses are targeted
and you know, people wearing you know, traditional Jewish clothing
or Orthodox Jews are getting attacked and it's just wrong.
So I think for me personally, it's very important to
(12:31):
speak up.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
You're very appreciated, I assure you of that, but it
is it is hard for me to imagine taking that
kind of risk, and it's not even you know, it's
again very appreciated, but the idea that you don't have
to be doing this is often something that I think
about like you could have taken the easier path. You
could have you could have stuck with your just one
(12:54):
controversial topic.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
You know, well, you know I've already got the transactivist attacked.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So you're like, what anti Semites? It's really it's the
same people laughing too.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Actually you know it actually is it's the queerst of Palestine,
you know, the they them. So you know what, I
just think, at the end of the day, I want
to have a good moral compass. I think we should
all have a good moral compass, and we should speak
up for people that need a voice. And at the
moment Jewish people are having a very difficult time in Europe, Canada,
Australia is very bad, you know, so it's important to
(13:26):
speak up for them. And you know, we shouldn't. We
shouldn't have to worry about what other people think or
I'm going to get some hate comments. You know, who
cares about that? If you can help somebody that is,
you know, being persecuted or being attacked. You know, A
big studyer of history, read a lot of books, and
you know, I've seen I saw what happened in nineteen
thirties Germany with the build up, and it wasn't an
(13:47):
overnight thing. It happened over decades. This hatred of Jews,
it's always been there, sadly, and you see the build up.
So I've seen the build up since October seventh, and
you know, it's very concerning. So everybody should be speaking up,
so you know, who cares about few hate comments or whatever.
If we all speak up, you know there's nothing to
worry about. So you know, I just want to encourage
(14:08):
people to speak up.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Very very brave of you. Honestly, more coming up with
Ali London. But first, folks, we are seeing something truly disturbing.
Anti Semitism is on the rise around the world, and sadly,
right here in America. Jewish schools being targeted, synagogues threatened,
families living in fear. It's something we hoped we'd never
(14:31):
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Speaker 2 (15:53):
You know, I worry about the state of the world.
I mean, thank god President Trump is back because we've
seen a huge it's like a miracle. You know what's
happened in the US within the last hundred days. You know,
so many great things, and it did feel like, you know,
the world was changing in a very dark way, you know,
with the Kamala Harrison. You know, Democrats and around the
(16:13):
world becoming very socialists. So it is great to see
Trump is back, and you know, America is being respected
again by the world. And you know, I know Europe's
being a bit weird with the Trump administration, but you know,
Trump and JD. Vants are are being tough on them rightly.
So but I you know, I worry about the future
because it seems in some countries are going very authoritarian,
(16:36):
like the United Kingdom, free speeches being attacked. You have
Christians praying outside abortion clinics silently getting arrested, So that
is a concern and a concern across Europe to see
the growing trend of you again, anti semitism in Sweden,
in Germany, in Amsterdam. So yeah, that's a concern. But
(16:58):
I think now with Trump, I think there is a
confidence across the world that things are changing. Certainly, people
in Israel, the Jewish community seem more confident and seem
very grateful that there's a new administration that's on their
side that most priories radio administration in modern history. So
for sure, I think things are changing, so we should
always have a positive outlook.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I was very pessimistic for the last four years and
I never was really before. I you know, I'm an
immigrant to the United States. I was born in the
Soviet Union. I feel so lucky all the time to
be an American. But last four years I was definitely
feeling like we were on a really wrong path. I
mean longer than four years, but the last four years
(17:39):
really brought it into focus. I agree with you. I
think that it's an optimistic moment. I don't love every
single thing he does, but I don't think it's normal too,
like every single thing a politician does. So I'm feeling good.
I think it's a brighter moment. You know, these podcasts
are recorded like several weeks out, so I hope we're
still feeling like this when this comes out. What advice
(18:03):
would you give your sixteen year old self.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
That's a great question. I would just say, you know,
it's it's tough as a teenager. You know, all teenagers
struggle with who they are, their identity confidence, And I
would just say, be confident with who you are, learn
to love your own skin and be happy with who
you are, and try to try to always do something
every single day to help other people, whether that's giving
somebody a compliment, you know, saying to a woman, oh
(18:28):
that's a beautiful dress today. You know, just make someone
feel good, you know, feeding a stray dog on the streets.
Something every day, just make a small impact because that
can make a world of difference to that one personal animal.
So that would be my advice to my sixteen year
old self. You know, be confident, don't change yourself, and
just always every day be grateful and try to make
a small difference.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I feel like sixteen year olds aren't confident by nature,
but it's an important treat and if they're not, I
think you can you can head down some dark past.
I think we're seeing the result of that in so
many different places where unconfident people are retreating to their
kind of I don't want to say wholes, but that's
(19:11):
what it seems like a lot of the time on
the social media. What would have made you more confident
at the time.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I mean, that's really tough to think because I think
all teenagers struggle with anxiety, self esteem, self confidence. So
that is a tough question to try and say that.
But just just to tell the.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Kids are getting into the teen years, so this is particularly.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Interesting to me. Yeah, I mean, you know, all teens
go for it. But I would just say, you know,
whatever you feel right now is going to change. It's
going to be completely different as you get older. As
you get older, you get more wisdom, you grow in confidence.
So whatever anxiety you have as a teen, don't worry
about it, you know, don't stress. You'll be happy as
you get older. You know, once maybe you start a
university or you know, once you start a career in life.
(19:55):
So just have a goal in life, whatever career you
want to do, stick to it, stay motivated. And yeah,
that would be my advice because it is tough. You know,
teens they feel, you know, the world is against them,
and I think that's why many teens do turn to
this gender ideology for a way of a scape, or
to try and stand out, or even to gain attention.
So I would just say, yeah, I just just try
(20:16):
to be happy with who you are.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. Would you tell your
sixteen year old self to turn to God or did
you need the kind of path that you took to
get there?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
You know, I definitely would, but I think I did
need to go through the path and journey I did
go through to be doing what I do now. So
you know, like I said, I did go to a
Christian school as a kid, but then there's a teen
that came atheist. But you know, I would say, everybody
has a different path in life, and you know, God
will guide you. And you know, some people are born
(20:54):
into Christian families, some people as they're an adult, you know.
So I think everybody is different. I think already has
a plan for everybody, so it will happen whenever it's
meant to be. But I do think for young people
it's important to have faith, to have that sense of community,
to have that sense of doing goodwill and giving back
to the world and kindness. I think there's a lot
of great, great messages in the Christian faith.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Love it. I feel very close to the Christians in
my life. I think we have a very similar shared values. Obviously,
like the Sebastian and a Skulka. He talks about Italians,
but he says, you know, same corporation, different divisions. That's
very much how I feel about the Christians in my life.
I've loved this conversation. You're such an interesting person. Leave
(21:38):
us here, with your best tip for my listeners on
how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So my best tip would just be again, yeah, do
something positive every day. And you know everybody has stress
in life, whether that's you know, doing the nine to
five jobs. Some people have to work two jobs or
free jobs. You know, you might be going for a
difficult time, you might be going through divorce. But just
try to every day do something positive to help somebody
else's life, whether that's smiling at someone you know, taking
(22:08):
a moment to help an elderly lady across the street,
you know, speaking to someone in a store. You know,
just spread positivity. I think if you do that, you
receive that positivity back and you know, it can change
your outlook on life, it can make you positive. So yeah,
just try to do something good every day.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I love it. Thank you so much. He is Ali London.
Check out his book Gender Madness. Thank you so much
for coming on, Ali, that's a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Thank you. Carol
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