August 12, 2024 • 29 mins
Yael Bar Tur discusses the importance of engaging with "normies" and the need for Jews to be awake and alert. They also talk about the shift in attitudes towards Israel and the dangers of hoping to opt out of the discussion. Yael emphasizes the value of American support for Israel based on shared values of freedom and self-determination. They also discuss the cultural problem of ignorance and the need for critical thinking in the age of social media. Yael shares her personal journey from Israel to the US and her love for both countries. Tha Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
I'm a little under the weather today, so sorry about
the raspy voice. I was going to cop out and
not do a monologue, but I have something to say,
so I drank a bunch of tea and I figure,
let's do this. My friend Jordan Shachtel, who has been
a guest on this show, has a great post on
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his substack, The Dossier about the lack of honor in
the Olympics. Man, I sound weird. Sorry about that. He
writes about how the boxers in the women's boxing events
representing Taiwan and Algeria are actually biological men, but also
the story of the American sprinter Noah Lyles, who Jordan
(00:53):
writes quote was running around the track like a madman,
a big time show man, the new world's fastest man,
was hyping up the crowd, convinced he was about to
make history. Jordan adds that Lyle's quote ultimately came up short,
winning the bronze, which is still an incredibly impressive feat. However,
instead of walking off with dignity and congratulating the gold
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and silver medallists, Lyles collapsed to the ground and accepted
the assistance of a wheelchair exit from the arena. After
the race, he claimed he was stricken with COVID nineteen.
No honor, No dignity end quote. Jordan concludes, quote The
Olympics serve as just a small example of a macro
problem we face, particularly in the West. For our societies
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to allow for human flourishing, they need to place honor
on top of the attribute's hierarchy once more. The twenty
twenties started with the likes of COVID, snitch hotlines and
power grabbing dishonorable lunatics, and it has continued with the
Olympics of dishonor. To get back on track, we must
once again elevate the people and institutions that defend and
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promote on end quote. This is related to what I've
been talking about for the last few episodes. Is good
behavior in some countries what Jordan refers to as honor,
natural or encouraged by law. I spent the last few
weeks in New York, outside the city, on the suburbs
of Long Island. In the suburbs of Long Island, I
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know Long Island is very particular about on and in
you're on Long Island, but maybe you're in the suburbs
of Long Island. In Florida, there are signs everywhere the
drivers have to yield to pedestrians, especially in parking lots,
and it's the law. It's become completely natural to me
to walk in front of cars knowing they will stop,
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and happily stop and knowingly stop. We don't do the
dance in Florida of who goes first, the pedestrian, the car.
The pedestrian goes first. But in New York I've been
honked at for that. And I admit that when I
lived in New York City, I have definitely honked at pedestrians,
like crossing on a red light in Manhattan, otherwise you'll
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never get through. But honking at pedestrians in parking lots
seems like a different thing. So do pedestrians get the
right of way in Florida parking lots because the culture
is different? Yes? Is the culture different because people understand
it's the law to let people go before cars.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Probably also yes.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And by the way, I looked up the law in
New York and it appears to be the exact same.
You yield to pedestrians when you're driving. It's a small thing, right,
but it's a different culture. It makes things different. I
have been like offended at the honking in New York, like,
what are you doing? I'm a pedestrian, I'm walking. How
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can you be honking? You know that's inappropriate? And I
wonder how much it's tied to people knowing that there's
a law about it. I said in the last two
episodes that Singapore, where I visited in July, is an
orderly society because they enforce their laws, and largely it's
the same laws we have here about littering, loitering, et cetera,
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but that we don't enforce at all. And I thought
I had reached the conclusion that laws go hand in
hand with culture. We don't need more laws, we need
enforcement and understanding of the ones we have. But that
doesn't explain the lack of honor thing in the Olympics.
How can you be a world class athlete and behave
that way on the world stage. I think that's a
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deeper rot than just related to laws we don't enforce,
and I'm truly not sure how we fix that. Maybe
it's small steps. Maybe we start with enforcing the smaller things.
Maybe we don't accept littering. You know, you pull out
of the airport in Singapore and everything's so clean. You
pull out of the airport and JFK Airport and Queens
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and this garbage just dumped all along the side of
the highway. That's not because of our freedom. We don't
have garbage all over the highways because we're so free.
We have it because we're not enforcing laws of punishing
the people who did that. So I don't know. I
think one thing might lead to the other. I'm going
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to think about this some more, and I'd love to
hear your thoughts on it. Email me at Carol Markowitz
Show at gmail dot com or tweet at me. Coming
up next and interview with Yeah l Bar Tour join
us after the break.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
guest today is Yeah l Bar Tour. Yeah Elle is
social media consultant and co host of the Ask a
Jew podcast. Hi, y'lle, hey, Carol, Thanks for having me on.
Thanks for coming on. I've been on your Ask a Jew.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
You have and when we were babies, well yeah, we
were just starting out. We're huge now, so yeah, I know,
well no, not huge, a.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Little bit, a little bit of growth.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
No, absolutely, And I feel like I mean it, you know,
it's sort of a double edged sword. But since October seventh,
I've had so many kind of normy friends, you know,
friends who aren't perpetually online send me your stuff, which
has been amazing because I get to be like, I
know her, like know her.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
No, you know, I'm glad my twitter rage is uh
providing comfort.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
It's absolutely penetrated. And that's really you know, when I
think about a lot of the time when we're tweeting
or on Instagram or whatever, I want to pierce that
normy bubble. That's who we're supposed to want to talk to.
Talking to each other is pointless. So yeah, I think
you've done.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Around, not tied entirely, but it's all the purpose.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
But yeah, but.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Also you can go you know, it's kind of like
kind of like having a drink or two.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
It's it's it's fun, but you don't want to go
overboard exactly.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Sometimes we we we tend to like you know, marinate
in our own uh internal discussions.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
So there's been some marinating. October seventh, again.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Was a kickoff of a lot of that, and you know, again,
better or worse, I feel.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Like Jews are awake and alert for.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
The first time in a long time. I think I
don't think like I don't. I think I was awake.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
I think you were awake, But I think.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
A lot of a lot of our brethren less.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
So so what have you seen?
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Yeah, I mean, I hope you're right. I I keep
I keep saying that as well.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
And you know, because I've obviously encountered people who have
told me that they never really cared that much about Israel,
and I'm sure you have too, but suddenly have kind
of paid more attention. I was listening to Sam Harris
uh being interviewed who with somebody who has said several
times that he doesn't you know, obviously he's an atheist,
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even though he's Jewish, but he said several times that
he has no you know, no connection or no affinity
to Israel and has become you know, a big old Zionist.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Really yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I want to I'm gonna like, you know, I it's
a problem having a podcast host because now I want
to ask you questions. But sometimes I hope we're not
overstating that shift because we also see a lot of unfortunately,
I hear about a lot of people whose kids, whose
college aged kids have kind of gone off the rails.
And I wonder if if some Jews are still hoping
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to just you know, say, well maybe if we opt
out of this whole discussion will be okay.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
And you know, I hope that's not the thing. Yeah,
but I'm sure what happens.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
I feel that, and I I'm going to write about this,
but I've spent a lot of time being angry at
those people that think that they're exempt.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
My parents are also atheists.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
My parents were you know, again, atheist Jews from the
Soviet Union, because what else were you going to be
except atheists whose lives were saved because Israel existed. And
I've never lived in Israel, and it's not that when
we left the Soviet Union there was one country that
guaranteed they were going to take us. Yes, we can
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go elsewhere. And my parents, I I always say, they
were born American, They always wanted to be American. They
you know, there's a picture of my father in his twenties,
like with a map of the United States behind.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Him and natural born Americans. But they exist.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I exist, This all exists our whole life because Israel said.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Should no one else take you guys in?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
You have a home here, So you can be an
atheist Jew. You can pretend this doesn't apply to you,
you can all all of that. At the end of
the day, there's only one country that's going to say,
I'm here for you, no matter what happens. And maybe
I don't need it, and that's true, for I really
haven't needed it in my life beyond that moment of
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leaving the Soviet Union.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
But I'm not the only Jew I care about.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And it's crazy that, you know, these people who think
that they could just put their heads down and not
worry about it, think that they're exempt when they're not.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
You know, I forgot who said this, but somebody said
that in every generation there are Jews who figure out
that if we just stop doing this one thing, then
will be okay. And I think for a lot of
people now, it's like, well, if we just stop supporting Israel, right,
it will be accepted.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
And look, you know, I don't have a crystal ball.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Maybe that's going to be true for ten years, or
fifty years or one hundred years. But also you know
what a price to pay, like throwing justice and everybody
else in your community under the bus for a chance
to kind of shed your identity to fit in.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Absolutely not very American either, right.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Well, so you know the conversation about why Jews should
support Israel is one thing. Why would you say non
Jewish Americans should support Israel?
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Well, I think you know, for me, the most heartwarming
thing is is when we get for for the Askatoo podcast,
which you should listen to available wherever you get your
podcasts and on subset conversation between me, I'm a very
kind of more on the I don't know, liberal secular
Jewish side, and my host is very very religious.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
But you know liberals she means religiously.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah yeah, but but also, you know it sounds very serious,
it's not. We talk a lot about what, you know,
which world dictators we think are the hottest, and we're.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Going to come back to that.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
So, yeah, we can come back to that when you know,
young Kadaffi had had a a But you know, the
most heartwarming thing for me is when when we get
emails from listeners who aren't aren't Jewish and aren't necessarily
even religious, Christian, but just kind of like you said,
normis and they have their their support for Israel comes
from their deep support of American values. And I think
(12:20):
I think it's it's it's a values question because you know,
people tend to think about what's going on in Israel's
and Israeli Palestinian conflict, but in reality, it's it's so
much more, such, so much more than that. Right, It's
a conflict between uh, you know, a liberal democratic state
and forces of you know, it's a conflict between Israel
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and Iran. It's a conflict at the end of the day,
also involving other actors like China and North Korea, not
at the conspiracy theory level, like at the actual you know,
weapons sales and deals level. So I think if you
stand for American values, which you know are our freedom
are again I'm sorry, I use the L word a
lot liberal, but I mean, you know, small L liberal
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values of you know, of freedom and being able to
do so while having self determination. I think those are
things that really really speak to Americans because they're American values.
And when I was growing up in Israel, American interests
and Israeli interest to me were interchangeable, right. You know,
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you grow up, you learn more about geopolitics. But just
that was the sense, the feeling I got when I
looked at what Americans believe in and what israelis to leave,
and I felt that was those were the same things.
And add to that, you know, you look at some
of the people protesting now, and you know, spoiler alert
for people who don't know, it's not just Israel that
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they hate, right, I think you're going to have a
hard time finding with some of these Prohamas protests people
who also consider themselves proud Americans and when.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
They say they want to burn it down, they want
to burn it all down.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
It's just it's so funny that there are people who
are trying to pretend otherwise on that, Like, no, no,
they're just really like they love America. They just want
to destroy Israel. Like I've never met such a person, not,
you know ever.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And they're you know, unfortunately incredibly incredibly
brainwashed and misinformed as well.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, you could see it in everything that they do,
the fact that they can't explain what they're protesting, all
of that that.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Would you know, I have three kids.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
My favorite videos to yeah, yes, oh yeah, they're so satisfying.
But it would kill me. It would actually kill me.
And it does have to be about Israel, about anything.
My kid is caught on a video and they're asked like,
why are you protesting and they have no idea.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
I would die.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I would just die. I would feel so embarrassed and
ashamed of my parenting that produced a child who's out
in the street protesting just because and they can't tell
me what it's about.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I hate that.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
And I don't let my kids talk politics because I
always am like, you don't know anything, like just give
it a minute, like figu your stuff out and then
come back to me.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Even when they when they're trying to agree with me.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
It doesn't matter. I want them to probably figure out
the path. I don't want them to parrot what I'm saying,
And when I hear them parroting what I'm saying, I
go after them. I try to argue the other side
and I try to make it harder for them.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
So, yeah, those kids, it would really bother me.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Yeah, it's you know, I sometimes when I'm feeling charitable,
which is not often, but you know, I put myself
in their shoes and I say, Okay, they're they're deeply affected.
They feel you know, you see, you see human suffering
and it affects you, and you know it's it's it's
a natural reaction. But there's a certain kind of arrogance. No,
(15:54):
I think it's dangerous arrogance to be able to say
I learned about something from through my heart and not
in this through my head. Or I listen to a
three minute story on NPR and now it is on
me to save the world. It's just deeply, deeply arrogant,
and really we have no time for that.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah, and my sign at my elite college is going
to do that.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
It's going to you know, and the war. It's going
to Uh.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
If I just put the thing on my cap on
graduation and post it on Instagram to my eight hundred followers,
it will be you know, a child in Daza, will
you know, will send me a letter thank you?
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
So what would you say is America's largest cultural problem?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Is it that we have these like kind of ignorant
moments where people display that ignorance out in the open
and other people applaud it or something else.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I think I think we need to bring back reality shows.
I think, really yeah, this is like a theory I've
been playing around with. I think what we see on
campuses right now and just in with the younger generation,
it's that type of like obnoxious vanity where usually we
used to be able to put all those people in
a house and watch.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Them like is it love Island?
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Like a yeah, right now we need more of that.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
But you know, I think people, I think a lot
of this is about, you know, just human needs for
some people who are young, and they want to be
the center attention and they're they're all feelings and no brain,
and you know, they want everybody to look at them.
And I think, you know, I'm not one to say
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that social media is the devil. I've I've been working
in social media since since its inception, pretty much when
it was a very different place, when it was still
very utopian, and you know, we thought this is going
to be a great and I spent my career trying
to like build relationships between police departments and communities and governments.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
And we know that it's a different place right.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Now, but I think culturally, intellectually, I think it's made
us comfortable with kind of bite sized pieces of information
and things that are trigger your emotions rather than being
able to like deeply think about about topics. I've seen
it with policing, which is you know, the field I
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was in before. I've seen it with Israel. You know,
we see it every time we see a split second
video of anything. And I think just teaching kids that
critical thinking and to treat you know, Instagram and TikTok
or whatever like a like controlled substance, not say, like
you know, eliminate it from your life completely, but just
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use it, use it responsibly.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Absolutely, I mean adults can probably do the same, yeah,
the hundred of that.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Yeah, but I think kids are I don't know, you know,
you have kids, Yeah, more for sure.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
But but also I think.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
More adaptable than we think. I think the kids that
grow up in this, I'm hopeful that maybe they find
a way to just incorporate it into their lives and
in a way that they can treat it with some suspicion.
Maybe maybe the younger ones, I hope, you know, I
hope I'm not mistagan, but I think they're a little
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I think the young ones, the super young ones, maybe
like under fifteen or are a little more uh, you know,
delightfully cynical.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I think so. I mean, I hope all of mine.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I have three kids under fifteen, so they're definitely they
use internet. They're different way, yeah, but they use it.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
But they they they're not.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Like it's there's no social media. They're not posting pictures
of themselves like eating. I don't know, it's change, it's changed.
There's other problems with it, but it's not like what
you used to be. Yeah, so maybe maybe we do
have hope in that younger generation.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
And I hope, hopefully at least have them mock because
you know, Penniels and gen Z they can at least
they can rebel against them.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
That will be there.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, they are easily mockable those generations. We're going to
take a quick break and be right back on the
Carol Marcowitch Show.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
So where did you come from?
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Where? What was your like? How did you get to
where you are today?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I was an activist?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
No, no, I don't know that I'm an activist now.
I always had a big mouth. I think I grew
up in Israel, thorn and raised there. I spent four
years of my childhood in Australia, so I was always
kind of bilingual. I picked up English at a young
age and came back to Israel and was fully immersed
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in American culture like a lot of Israeli is my
but more so because the language came naturally. So I
always felt like I had a foot in both worlds.
And you know, I always say, like, you know, the
Simpsons and Con O'Brien taught me English, right, and yeah,
Ima exactly. And I came to the US after I
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served in the military and israel I got my my
undergraduate degree in Israel, and I came to the US.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
A lot of people ask me why.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
It's a good question, But for Israeli is it's kind
of people don't ask that because everybody knows that you
you know, people want to like dream big and go
to America. Yeah right, Americans don't necessarily not that they
say like why would you come here? But I don't
think they always understand how everybody in the world wants
to come here, right.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I think it's because they think that other free countries
are the same as US, And yeah, I mean they
are because look, you know, I as one in the
Soviet Union. My family celebrates our America Versary every year.
It's a really big deal. Israeli in laws and my
Israeli husband, they're all there. They don't know when they
came to America, it's a different, different story. They came,
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they left the case that they loved it, it was
a free country.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Then they moved to a different free country.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I think people don't realize that the US still does
hold this, you know. An the American dream is the
American dream. It's not the Australian dream. It's not the
Sweetish dream. It's the American dream. And there's something about that.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Yeah, And you know, I love this country, even though
the last few years have been have been pretty difficult
for me, you know, just I'm.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Not an American.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
I have a I'm a I have my Green card finally,
so I'm a permanent resident.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Congratulations.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yeah, thank you. It's super super super exciting. Oh my gosh.
It took a long time.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
But I didn't leave.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I also don't feel like I left Israel. And if
that's a weird thing to say, because my family's there,
I go back there as much as I can.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
I just spend a month there.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I am one hundred percent Israeli and one hundred percent American.
But I left, you know, I came here not because
of the war or the economy, but just I think
because I don't know, I had an appetite for I
don't know, to be in the in the world. And
Israel's very small.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
It is, right, yes, absolutely, the vastest of America is
another gives you a lot of possibility.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I love you know, I love
traveling here. And I live in New York and I've
lived in la and in Boston, so always in like
big cities, and as much as whenever I get a chance,
I like to go to Wyoming or Utah or just
like I've been joking with my friends now that I
want to I want to leave New York and go
somewhere where they like Jews, like.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I got the Florida for.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
You or Georgia, you know, but I want to go
somewhere where there's probably not one Jew. But I would
like walk around with my my Israel hat and people would,
would you know, smile at me on the street.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
So I was in rural Michigan this last year.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
I did a fellowship at Hillsdale and I you know,
I had my Jewish star on campus and I had
I have a cool Israeli brand, a Ton, and my
bag says A ton and like big letters, and I
had no problem at all. And then you're driving around
these rural roads and you pass a church that says
pray for Israel, and you know there is not a
Jew for miles and they are praying for Israel. I
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just loved it so much.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
It was awesome.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah, I want to send me those photos. People send
me those photos sometimes and I think, like, if I
was driving down that road, I would go and like
knock on that person's door say thank you, and they
probably like think I was going to kill them, But.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
No, it's really Yea, it's magical when you see it
and you're like, wow, I am this is just I
love this country so much.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah, and it means a lot to me. And you know,
I was talking to a woman who owns a Druze
restaurant here in New York and Gazala.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
You know, yeah, Gazala.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I love Gazala.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
She's the best.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
So for people who don't know, Drew's is a minority
in the Middle East in Israel, Syria, Lebanon, and they're
not Muslim, but they're kind of an offshoot of Islam
and they're speak Arabic anyway, all that to say, I
told her, you know, her son and her family that
serve in the IDEF and they're so Zionist, or you know,
(25:24):
any Christian who lives in Israel and serves in the IDEF,
like a lot of you know, young Filipinos and ties
now who come, whose parents come to work and the
kids are born in Israel. They to me are just
as much as my brothers and sisters as and you
in you know Westchester, even even more so, possibly more so.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Yeah, which part of Westchester.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Yeah, but it doesn't you know, it doesn't matter what
you believe in as long as you're kind of fighting
for for these values.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:59):
So you have a green card now you're you have.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
This amazing podcast. It is big and growing. Do you
feel like you've made it?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:09):
You know, I was thinking about I was thinking about that.
It's a it's a it's a tough question to answer.
I'd like to say yes. I think definitely from you know,
the very very anxious, angsty teenager and me, uh maybe
would not have expected to be where I am right now,
(26:31):
where the.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Anxious and angsty adult is.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
But but yeah, you know that the part of the
part of being you know, having successes. I'm sure, I'm
sure you can relate to is you're always kind of
looking at the next thing. Yeah, but I think i've
you know, I'm very very happy where I am professionally, Uh, personally,
you know, I have, I have great, great relationships and friendships,
but we can always uh you know, could always be
(26:57):
a little better, and you know, and my my age.
But professionally, yeah, I'm satisfied, but always kind of you know,
always looking for a little bit more.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
Of course, that's that's the that's what we're here for.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
That's what the country is all about, the American dream. Yes,
so I love talking to you.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Yeah, Ellie, You're one of my absolute favorite people.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
And here with your best tip for my listeners on
how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Wow, I would say start small.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
You know a lot of times people say I want
to lose, you know, forty pounds, or I want to
start being healthy. I want to make little little goals.
I have a friend group, a WhatsApp group with some friends,
some of them I don't even know, and we every month.
We've been doing this since April every month where we
write our goals. We commit to our goals and they
(27:58):
have to be achievable so it can be like mine
is like I want to read twenty minutes a day.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
I want to write down everything I eat.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
It's not like I'm gonna, you know, stop drinking and
run a marathon. Yeah, and you know, you just just
do it little by little. But even if you're start
small as what I'm saying, you know, some people struggle
with depression and they have a hard time getting out
of bed. Your goal should be to brush your teeth
and put on your clothes before eleven. Just start with
(28:27):
something you can achieve and and take it from there.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I talk about that a lot on the show also,
And actually twenty minutes of reading is write about where
my goals are also, and I always get there, but
I try.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
I have completely failed on that goal. I've been good
at writing down my food, but I could, Yeah, I
could do better with reading. I'm reading that San Sharansky's
book right now, and like he's still in the middle,
He's still in the gulag. I've been reading this book
for like six months now, and he's he's still in
like the middle of it makes it out I hope,
so yeah, I know, spoilers.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Thanks so much, y'ell check her out.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
She's amazing.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Her Instagram and her Twitter are both incredible and very active.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Yell Bartour, thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Thanks for listening to The Carol Marcowitch Show. Subscribe wherever
you get your podcasts.
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
I'm a little under the weather today, so sorry about
the raspy voice. I was going to cop out and
not do a monologue, but I have something to say,
so I drank a bunch of tea and I figure,
let's do this. My friend Jordan Shachtel, who has been
a guest on this show, has a great post on
(00:29):
his substack, The Dossier about the lack of honor in
the Olympics. Man, I sound weird. Sorry about that. He
writes about how the boxers in the women's boxing events
representing Taiwan and Algeria are actually biological men, but also
the story of the American sprinter Noah Lyles, who Jordan
(00:53):
writes quote was running around the track like a madman,
a big time show man, the new world's fastest man,
was hyping up the crowd, convinced he was about to
make history. Jordan adds that Lyle's quote ultimately came up short,
winning the bronze, which is still an incredibly impressive feat. However,
instead of walking off with dignity and congratulating the gold
(01:14):
and silver medallists, Lyles collapsed to the ground and accepted
the assistance of a wheelchair exit from the arena. After
the race, he claimed he was stricken with COVID nineteen.
No honor, No dignity end quote. Jordan concludes, quote The
Olympics serve as just a small example of a macro
problem we face, particularly in the West. For our societies
(01:37):
to allow for human flourishing, they need to place honor
on top of the attribute's hierarchy once more. The twenty
twenties started with the likes of COVID, snitch hotlines and
power grabbing dishonorable lunatics, and it has continued with the
Olympics of dishonor. To get back on track, we must
once again elevate the people and institutions that defend and
(01:59):
promote on end quote. This is related to what I've
been talking about for the last few episodes. Is good
behavior in some countries what Jordan refers to as honor,
natural or encouraged by law. I spent the last few
weeks in New York, outside the city, on the suburbs
of Long Island. In the suburbs of Long Island, I
(02:21):
know Long Island is very particular about on and in
you're on Long Island, but maybe you're in the suburbs
of Long Island. In Florida, there are signs everywhere the
drivers have to yield to pedestrians, especially in parking lots,
and it's the law. It's become completely natural to me
to walk in front of cars knowing they will stop,
(02:43):
and happily stop and knowingly stop. We don't do the
dance in Florida of who goes first, the pedestrian, the car.
The pedestrian goes first. But in New York I've been
honked at for that. And I admit that when I
lived in New York City, I have definitely honked at pedestrians,
like crossing on a red light in Manhattan, otherwise you'll
(03:05):
never get through. But honking at pedestrians in parking lots
seems like a different thing. So do pedestrians get the
right of way in Florida parking lots because the culture
is different? Yes? Is the culture different because people understand
it's the law to let people go before cars.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Probably also yes.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And by the way, I looked up the law in
New York and it appears to be the exact same.
You yield to pedestrians when you're driving. It's a small thing, right,
but it's a different culture. It makes things different. I
have been like offended at the honking in New York, like,
what are you doing? I'm a pedestrian, I'm walking. How
(03:46):
can you be honking? You know that's inappropriate? And I
wonder how much it's tied to people knowing that there's
a law about it. I said in the last two
episodes that Singapore, where I visited in July, is an
orderly society because they enforce their laws, and largely it's
the same laws we have here about littering, loitering, et cetera,
(04:08):
but that we don't enforce at all. And I thought
I had reached the conclusion that laws go hand in
hand with culture. We don't need more laws, we need
enforcement and understanding of the ones we have. But that
doesn't explain the lack of honor thing in the Olympics.
How can you be a world class athlete and behave
that way on the world stage. I think that's a
(04:31):
deeper rot than just related to laws we don't enforce,
and I'm truly not sure how we fix that. Maybe
it's small steps. Maybe we start with enforcing the smaller things.
Maybe we don't accept littering. You know, you pull out
of the airport in Singapore and everything's so clean. You
pull out of the airport and JFK Airport and Queens
(04:53):
and this garbage just dumped all along the side of
the highway. That's not because of our freedom. We don't
have garbage all over the highways because we're so free.
We have it because we're not enforcing laws of punishing
the people who did that. So I don't know. I
think one thing might lead to the other. I'm going
(05:15):
to think about this some more, and I'd love to
hear your thoughts on it. Email me at Carol Markowitz
Show at gmail dot com or tweet at me. Coming
up next and interview with Yeah l Bar Tour join
us after the break.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
guest today is Yeah l Bar Tour. Yeah Elle is
social media consultant and co host of the Ask a
Jew podcast. Hi, y'lle, hey, Carol, Thanks for having me on.
Thanks for coming on. I've been on your Ask a Jew.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
You have and when we were babies, well yeah, we
were just starting out. We're huge now, so yeah, I know,
well no, not huge, a.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Little bit, a little bit of growth.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
No, absolutely, And I feel like I mean it, you know,
it's sort of a double edged sword. But since October seventh,
I've had so many kind of normy friends, you know,
friends who aren't perpetually online send me your stuff, which
has been amazing because I get to be like, I
know her, like know her.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
No, you know, I'm glad my twitter rage is uh
providing comfort.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
It's absolutely penetrated. And that's really you know, when I
think about a lot of the time when we're tweeting
or on Instagram or whatever, I want to pierce that
normy bubble. That's who we're supposed to want to talk to.
Talking to each other is pointless. So yeah, I think
you've done.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Around, not tied entirely, but it's all the purpose.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
But yeah, but.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Also you can go you know, it's kind of like
kind of like having a drink or two.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
It's it's it's fun, but you don't want to go
overboard exactly.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Sometimes we we we tend to like you know, marinate
in our own uh internal discussions.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
So there's been some marinating. October seventh, again.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Was a kickoff of a lot of that, and you know, again,
better or worse, I feel.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Like Jews are awake and alert for.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
The first time in a long time. I think I
don't think like I don't. I think I was awake.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
I think you were awake, But I think.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
A lot of a lot of our brethren less.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
So so what have you seen?
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Yeah, I mean, I hope you're right. I I keep
I keep saying that as well.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
And you know, because I've obviously encountered people who have
told me that they never really cared that much about Israel,
and I'm sure you have too, but suddenly have kind
of paid more attention. I was listening to Sam Harris
uh being interviewed who with somebody who has said several
times that he doesn't you know, obviously he's an atheist,
(08:06):
even though he's Jewish, but he said several times that
he has no you know, no connection or no affinity
to Israel and has become you know, a big old Zionist.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Really yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I want to I'm gonna like, you know, I it's
a problem having a podcast host because now I want
to ask you questions. But sometimes I hope we're not
overstating that shift because we also see a lot of unfortunately,
I hear about a lot of people whose kids, whose
college aged kids have kind of gone off the rails.
And I wonder if if some Jews are still hoping
(08:43):
to just you know, say, well maybe if we opt
out of this whole discussion will be okay.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
And you know, I hope that's not the thing. Yeah,
but I'm sure what happens.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
I feel that, and I I'm going to write about this,
but I've spent a lot of time being angry at
those people that think that they're exempt.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
My parents are also atheists.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
My parents were you know, again, atheist Jews from the
Soviet Union, because what else were you going to be
except atheists whose lives were saved because Israel existed. And
I've never lived in Israel, and it's not that when
we left the Soviet Union there was one country that
guaranteed they were going to take us. Yes, we can
(09:26):
go elsewhere. And my parents, I I always say, they
were born American, They always wanted to be American. They
you know, there's a picture of my father in his twenties,
like with a map of the United States behind.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Him and natural born Americans. But they exist.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I exist, This all exists our whole life because Israel said.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Should no one else take you guys in?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
You have a home here, So you can be an
atheist Jew. You can pretend this doesn't apply to you,
you can all all of that. At the end of
the day, there's only one country that's going to say,
I'm here for you, no matter what happens. And maybe
I don't need it, and that's true, for I really
haven't needed it in my life beyond that moment of
(10:09):
leaving the Soviet Union.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
But I'm not the only Jew I care about.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And it's crazy that, you know, these people who think
that they could just put their heads down and not
worry about it, think that they're exempt when they're not.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
You know, I forgot who said this, but somebody said
that in every generation there are Jews who figure out
that if we just stop doing this one thing, then
will be okay. And I think for a lot of
people now, it's like, well, if we just stop supporting Israel, right,
it will be accepted.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
And look, you know, I don't have a crystal ball.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Maybe that's going to be true for ten years, or
fifty years or one hundred years. But also you know
what a price to pay, like throwing justice and everybody
else in your community under the bus for a chance
to kind of shed your identity to fit in.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Absolutely not very American either, right.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Well, so you know the conversation about why Jews should
support Israel is one thing. Why would you say non
Jewish Americans should support Israel?
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Well, I think you know, for me, the most heartwarming
thing is is when we get for for the Askatoo podcast,
which you should listen to available wherever you get your
podcasts and on subset conversation between me, I'm a very
kind of more on the I don't know, liberal secular
Jewish side, and my host is very very religious.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
But you know liberals she means religiously.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah yeah, but but also, you know it sounds very serious,
it's not. We talk a lot about what, you know,
which world dictators we think are the hottest, and we're.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Going to come back to that.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
So, yeah, we can come back to that when you know,
young Kadaffi had had a a But you know, the
most heartwarming thing for me is when when we get
emails from listeners who aren't aren't Jewish and aren't necessarily
even religious, Christian, but just kind of like you said,
normis and they have their their support for Israel comes
from their deep support of American values. And I think
(12:20):
I think it's it's it's a values question because you know,
people tend to think about what's going on in Israel's
and Israeli Palestinian conflict, but in reality, it's it's so
much more, such, so much more than that. Right, It's
a conflict between uh, you know, a liberal democratic state
and forces of you know, it's a conflict between Israel
(12:42):
and Iran. It's a conflict at the end of the day,
also involving other actors like China and North Korea, not
at the conspiracy theory level, like at the actual you know,
weapons sales and deals level. So I think if you
stand for American values, which you know are our freedom
are again I'm sorry, I use the L word a
lot liberal, but I mean, you know, small L liberal
(13:02):
values of you know, of freedom and being able to
do so while having self determination. I think those are
things that really really speak to Americans because they're American values.
And when I was growing up in Israel, American interests
and Israeli interest to me were interchangeable, right. You know,
(13:24):
you grow up, you learn more about geopolitics. But just
that was the sense, the feeling I got when I
looked at what Americans believe in and what israelis to leave,
and I felt that was those were the same things.
And add to that, you know, you look at some
of the people protesting now, and you know, spoiler alert
for people who don't know, it's not just Israel that
(13:46):
they hate, right, I think you're going to have a
hard time finding with some of these Prohamas protests people
who also consider themselves proud Americans and when.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
They say they want to burn it down, they want
to burn it all down.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
It's just it's so funny that there are people who
are trying to pretend otherwise on that, Like, no, no,
they're just really like they love America. They just want
to destroy Israel. Like I've never met such a person, not,
you know ever.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And they're you know, unfortunately incredibly incredibly
brainwashed and misinformed as well.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, you could see it in everything that they do,
the fact that they can't explain what they're protesting, all
of that that.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Would you know, I have three kids.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
My favorite videos to yeah, yes, oh yeah, they're so satisfying.
But it would kill me. It would actually kill me.
And it does have to be about Israel, about anything.
My kid is caught on a video and they're asked like,
why are you protesting and they have no idea.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
I would die.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I would just die. I would feel so embarrassed and
ashamed of my parenting that produced a child who's out
in the street protesting just because and they can't tell
me what it's about.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I hate that.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
And I don't let my kids talk politics because I
always am like, you don't know anything, like just give
it a minute, like figu your stuff out and then
come back to me.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Even when they when they're trying to agree with me.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
It doesn't matter. I want them to probably figure out
the path. I don't want them to parrot what I'm saying,
And when I hear them parroting what I'm saying, I
go after them. I try to argue the other side
and I try to make it harder for them.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
So, yeah, those kids, it would really bother me.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Yeah, it's you know, I sometimes when I'm feeling charitable,
which is not often, but you know, I put myself
in their shoes and I say, Okay, they're they're deeply affected.
They feel you know, you see, you see human suffering
and it affects you, and you know it's it's it's
a natural reaction. But there's a certain kind of arrogance. No,
(15:54):
I think it's dangerous arrogance to be able to say
I learned about something from through my heart and not
in this through my head. Or I listen to a
three minute story on NPR and now it is on
me to save the world. It's just deeply, deeply arrogant,
and really we have no time for that.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah, and my sign at my elite college is going
to do that.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
It's going to you know, and the war. It's going
to Uh.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
If I just put the thing on my cap on
graduation and post it on Instagram to my eight hundred followers,
it will be you know, a child in Daza, will
you know, will send me a letter thank you?
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
So what would you say is America's largest cultural problem?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Is it that we have these like kind of ignorant
moments where people display that ignorance out in the open
and other people applaud it or something else.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I think I think we need to bring back reality shows.
I think, really yeah, this is like a theory I've
been playing around with. I think what we see on
campuses right now and just in with the younger generation,
it's that type of like obnoxious vanity where usually we
used to be able to put all those people in
a house and watch.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Them like is it love Island?
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Like a yeah, right now we need more of that.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
But you know, I think people, I think a lot
of this is about, you know, just human needs for
some people who are young, and they want to be
the center attention and they're they're all feelings and no brain,
and you know, they want everybody to look at them.
And I think, you know, I'm not one to say
(17:44):
that social media is the devil. I've I've been working
in social media since since its inception, pretty much when
it was a very different place, when it was still
very utopian, and you know, we thought this is going
to be a great and I spent my career trying
to like build relationships between police departments and communities and governments.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
And we know that it's a different place right.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Now, but I think culturally, intellectually, I think it's made
us comfortable with kind of bite sized pieces of information
and things that are trigger your emotions rather than being
able to like deeply think about about topics. I've seen
it with policing, which is you know, the field I
(18:28):
was in before. I've seen it with Israel. You know,
we see it every time we see a split second
video of anything. And I think just teaching kids that
critical thinking and to treat you know, Instagram and TikTok
or whatever like a like controlled substance, not say, like
you know, eliminate it from your life completely, but just
(18:50):
use it, use it responsibly.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Absolutely, I mean adults can probably do the same, yeah,
the hundred of that.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Yeah, but I think kids are I don't know, you know,
you have kids, Yeah, more for sure.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
But but also I think.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
More adaptable than we think. I think the kids that
grow up in this, I'm hopeful that maybe they find
a way to just incorporate it into their lives and
in a way that they can treat it with some suspicion.
Maybe maybe the younger ones, I hope, you know, I
hope I'm not mistagan, but I think they're a little
(19:28):
I think the young ones, the super young ones, maybe
like under fifteen or are a little more uh, you know,
delightfully cynical.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I think so. I mean, I hope all of mine.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I have three kids under fifteen, so they're definitely they
use internet. They're different way, yeah, but they use it.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
But they they they're not.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Like it's there's no social media. They're not posting pictures
of themselves like eating. I don't know, it's change, it's changed.
There's other problems with it, but it's not like what
you used to be. Yeah, so maybe maybe we do
have hope in that younger generation.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
And I hope, hopefully at least have them mock because
you know, Penniels and gen Z they can at least
they can rebel against them.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
That will be there.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, they are easily mockable those generations. We're going to
take a quick break and be right back on the
Carol Marcowitch Show.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
So where did you come from?
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Where? What was your like? How did you get to
where you are today?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I was an activist?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
No, no, I don't know that I'm an activist now.
I always had a big mouth. I think I grew
up in Israel, thorn and raised there. I spent four
years of my childhood in Australia, so I was always
kind of bilingual. I picked up English at a young
age and came back to Israel and was fully immersed
(20:54):
in American culture like a lot of Israeli is my
but more so because the language came naturally. So I
always felt like I had a foot in both worlds.
And you know, I always say, like, you know, the
Simpsons and Con O'Brien taught me English, right, and yeah,
Ima exactly. And I came to the US after I
(21:21):
served in the military and israel I got my my
undergraduate degree in Israel, and I came to the US.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
A lot of people ask me why.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
It's a good question, But for Israeli is it's kind
of people don't ask that because everybody knows that you
you know, people want to like dream big and go
to America. Yeah right, Americans don't necessarily not that they
say like why would you come here? But I don't
think they always understand how everybody in the world wants
to come here, right.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I think it's because they think that other free countries
are the same as US, And yeah, I mean they
are because look, you know, I as one in the
Soviet Union. My family celebrates our America Versary every year.
It's a really big deal. Israeli in laws and my
Israeli husband, they're all there. They don't know when they
came to America, it's a different, different story. They came,
(22:07):
they left the case that they loved it, it was
a free country.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Then they moved to a different free country.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I think people don't realize that the US still does
hold this, you know. An the American dream is the
American dream. It's not the Australian dream. It's not the
Sweetish dream. It's the American dream. And there's something about that.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Yeah, And you know, I love this country, even though
the last few years have been have been pretty difficult
for me, you know, just I'm.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Not an American.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
I have a I'm a I have my Green card finally,
so I'm a permanent resident.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Congratulations.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yeah, thank you. It's super super super exciting. Oh my gosh.
It took a long time.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
But I didn't leave.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I also don't feel like I left Israel. And if
that's a weird thing to say, because my family's there,
I go back there as much as I can.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
I just spend a month there.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I am one hundred percent Israeli and one hundred percent American.
But I left, you know, I came here not because
of the war or the economy, but just I think
because I don't know, I had an appetite for I
don't know, to be in the in the world. And
Israel's very small.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
It is, right, yes, absolutely, the vastest of America is
another gives you a lot of possibility.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I love you know, I love
traveling here. And I live in New York and I've
lived in la and in Boston, so always in like
big cities, and as much as whenever I get a chance,
I like to go to Wyoming or Utah or just
like I've been joking with my friends now that I
want to I want to leave New York and go
somewhere where they like Jews, like.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I got the Florida for.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
You or Georgia, you know, but I want to go
somewhere where there's probably not one Jew. But I would
like walk around with my my Israel hat and people would,
would you know, smile at me on the street.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
So I was in rural Michigan this last year.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
I did a fellowship at Hillsdale and I you know,
I had my Jewish star on campus and I had
I have a cool Israeli brand, a Ton, and my
bag says A ton and like big letters, and I
had no problem at all. And then you're driving around
these rural roads and you pass a church that says
pray for Israel, and you know there is not a
Jew for miles and they are praying for Israel. I
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just loved it so much.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
It was awesome.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah, I want to send me those photos. People send
me those photos sometimes and I think, like, if I
was driving down that road, I would go and like
knock on that person's door say thank you, and they
probably like think I was going to kill them, But.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
No, it's really Yea, it's magical when you see it
and you're like, wow, I am this is just I
love this country so much.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah, and it means a lot to me. And you know,
I was talking to a woman who owns a Druze
restaurant here in New York and Gazala.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
You know, yeah, Gazala.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I love Gazala.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
She's the best.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
So for people who don't know, Drew's is a minority
in the Middle East in Israel, Syria, Lebanon, and they're
not Muslim, but they're kind of an offshoot of Islam
and they're speak Arabic anyway, all that to say, I
told her, you know, her son and her family that
serve in the IDEF and they're so Zionist, or you know,
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any Christian who lives in Israel and serves in the IDEF,
like a lot of you know, young Filipinos and ties
now who come, whose parents come to work and the
kids are born in Israel. They to me are just
as much as my brothers and sisters as and you
in you know Westchester, even even more so, possibly more so.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Yeah, which part of Westchester.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Yeah, but it doesn't you know, it doesn't matter what
you believe in as long as you're kind of fighting
for for these values.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:59):
So you have a green card now you're you have.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
This amazing podcast. It is big and growing. Do you
feel like you've made it?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:09):
You know, I was thinking about I was thinking about that.
It's a it's a it's a tough question to answer.
I'd like to say yes. I think definitely from you know,
the very very anxious, angsty teenager and me, uh maybe
would not have expected to be where I am right now,
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where the.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Anxious and angsty adult is.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
But but yeah, you know that the part of the
part of being you know, having successes. I'm sure, I'm
sure you can relate to is you're always kind of
looking at the next thing. Yeah, but I think i've
you know, I'm very very happy where I am professionally, Uh, personally,
you know, I have, I have great, great relationships and friendships,
but we can always uh you know, could always be
(26:57):
a little better, and you know, and my my age.
But professionally, yeah, I'm satisfied, but always kind of you know,
always looking for a little bit more.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
Of course, that's that's the that's what we're here for.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
That's what the country is all about, the American dream. Yes,
so I love talking to you.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Yeah, Ellie, You're one of my absolute favorite people.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
And here with your best tip for my listeners on
how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Wow, I would say start small.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
You know a lot of times people say I want
to lose, you know, forty pounds, or I want to
start being healthy. I want to make little little goals.
I have a friend group, a WhatsApp group with some friends,
some of them I don't even know, and we every month.
We've been doing this since April every month where we
write our goals. We commit to our goals and they
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have to be achievable so it can be like mine
is like I want to read twenty minutes a day.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
I want to write down everything I eat.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
It's not like I'm gonna, you know, stop drinking and
run a marathon. Yeah, and you know, you just just
do it little by little. But even if you're start
small as what I'm saying, you know, some people struggle
with depression and they have a hard time getting out
of bed. Your goal should be to brush your teeth
and put on your clothes before eleven. Just start with
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something you can achieve and and take it from there.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I talk about that a lot on the show also,
And actually twenty minutes of reading is write about where
my goals are also, and I always get there, but
I try.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
I have completely failed on that goal. I've been good
at writing down my food, but I could, Yeah, I
could do better with reading. I'm reading that San Sharansky's
book right now, and like he's still in the middle,
He's still in the gulag. I've been reading this book
for like six months now, and he's he's still in
like the middle of it makes it out I hope,
so yeah, I know, spoilers.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Thanks so much, y'ell check her out.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
She's amazing.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Her Instagram and her Twitter are both incredible and very active.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Yell Bartour, thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
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