May 9, 2024 • 27 mins
In this episode, Karol talks with Dave Marcus, a columnist for Fox News and Daily Mail. They discuss various topics, including Dave's love of smoking, their personal relationship, their move from New York, the fragmentation of society, and the importance of reading poetry. Dave shares his perspective on the cultural problem of fragmentation and the challenges of regaining trust in institutions. He also reflects on his career as a writer and the differences between theater and column writing. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
There's this woman who gives advice to men on the internet.
I'm not going to say her name, but her shtick
is to criticize marriage or relationships as being specifically bad
for men, and anytime she gets any pushback, she basically
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collapses because her ideas are just so weak and terrible.
They really are.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
But she's got a following largely because she plays into
the fears that men have of women, of parenting another
man's baby without knowing it, of his wife cheating on him,
of her leaving him and taking everything. I get the
fears I do, and believe me, women have plenty of
fears about men, to rational and irrational. But the thing
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is this woman who gives this advice on the internet
single I feel like maybe has never had a relationship.
She has no idea what goes on in relationships because
she's inexperienced in them. She caters to this male audience
saying what they want to hear, but she's just making
it up. Her understanding of human nature and what goes
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on in real relationship reads very shallow. She recently tweeted
something like When a man says I have to ask
my wife, that's like someone saying I have to ask
my child. I don't know if this attack is trying
to infantilize women or saying that the opinion of a
fully grown female partner is worth the same as a kid.
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But here's a truth that so many people know, people
who have been in relationships. No, when a man says
he has to check with his wife, he very often
just doesn't want to do the thing that you're suggesting.
The advice giving woman has no idea about this subtext,
no idea that there's more going on than a man
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being browbeaten by a woman. She's an empty vessel, willing
to say whatever will take to be famous.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
My bigger point here is that we talk about life
advice a lot on this show. Don't take advice from
people who aren't doing the thing that you want to
be doing. Don't take relationship advice from the single pick
me lady on the internet. Talk to people having relationships
like the kind you wish to have. Listen to people
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doing well what you want to be doing. This goes
beyond relationships. I don't work out, so don't come to
me for Jim Advice, Pick people to learn from who
are succeeding in what you want to do? Coming up next,
and interview with Dave Marcus. Join us after the break.
Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
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guest today is Dave Marcus, columnist for Fox News and
Daily Mail.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Hi, Dave, Hey, Caara, howre you doing?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Why are you small? What is up with that smoke?
Is it like, does it have to be during interviews?
Is it part of the look?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I mean, have we ever spent time around each other?
Is there ever a point in time when you've known
me to go longer than twenty or twenty five minutes
without having a cigarette. I mean, it's just what I do,
all right, It's.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Fair, you're I mean for the people listening. He's dressed
up in a suit, which I said, I hope he
didn't dress up for me, and he's got, you know,
the cigarette. He has the full look going on, trying.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
To bring some stuff back.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I feel like we're as a you know, as a society,
we've turned our back on certain aspects of civilization. I
feel like smoking is among them. In fact, I'll go
so far as to say that, I think the smoking
hysteria of the early twenty first century was a canary
in the COVID coal mine.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Really, it's interesting, why do you think that?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Because I think that there was such there was such
an overwhelming reaction, like against tobacco, against smoking, that it
was like, we're going to do whatever we have to
do right now to take care of this. And even
at the point at which the returns, which like you,
weren't getting fewer and fewer smokers, they just kept up
with the taxes. They kept up with you can't smoke
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in a bar, you can't smoke within one hundred feet
of a bar. They just kept going.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
He hasn't smoking decreased by a lot? I mean, you know,
I generally don't like government, you know, interaction and lots
of things. But they actually did succeed in getting fewer
smokers by a lot. They did.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
By by the early twenty first century, the numbers had declined,
but they've been pretty steady for about ten or fifteen years.
There's actually there's some evidence of an uptick among younger people.
But look, I mean, I just it's about it's about
a balance, it's about legitimate competing interests, and so I
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think that in so many ways, our society just overreacts
to things and we say like we're just not going
to allow it at all, and it gets away from
us a little bit.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Well, I would say, if they weren't successful, if lots
of people were still smoking, you'd be like, I'm not smoking.
That's gross, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I think that's true.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
You might be a contrarian.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Maybe I'm a contrarian, but smoking has been one of
my Smoking has been a constant at least since I
was you know, fifteen or sixteen or whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So all right, well, if you ever want to quit,
you know we'll be here for you and thank you.
We'll support you. Even without the cigarette dangling from your mouth.
It's better than vaping. Oh well, yeah, I mean, but again,
that's that's a very low bar. So look, I've enjoyed
the occasional cigarette with you. I'm not saying that that's
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not possible, but most people do.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
No, no, no. When I when I go, when I
go out socially, I always bring at least one extra
pack of cigarettes because there are a lot of people
in the world who are non smokers. Except for with
Dave Mars, right, except for like three drinks in and
it's like, oh no, I'm like one cigarette. So smokers
prepare for that, well.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I normally if I'm in a smoking phase, which I
actually haven't been in many years now. But I'm a
menthol smoker. I grew up in Brooklyn. Now I like
to say I grew up in Brooklyn around Puerto Ricans
like I smoke Menthol. But you know the funny thing
about Menthol is I've had like homeless people ask me
can I bum a cigarette? And I'll be like, it's
mental and they're like, oh, no, thank you.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, that used to happen to me when I roll
my own cigarettes and they'd be like, right.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Keep your hippie rolled cigarette, that's fine. So you and
I have known each other a while. We were both
living in New York for a long time. We spent
a lot of time together and we're very close. And
I would say that we had a kind of falling
out because we never had an argument or anything, but
we had a bit of a drift. I was kind
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of mad at you actually now that I am thinking
about it, and we reconnected recently in Israel, where Jews
and Christians you know, do that kind of thing. So
what happened with us? What was the what was the split?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
You know? It was It was jarring for me when
you left New York because I think that both of
us had been on this sort of like I remember
a wonderful column that you wrote years ago. I can't
remember if it was around the time that COVID started
or just before, but you were basically like, you know,
I get to insult New York, you don't, right, I think.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
It was I think that was just a tweet, but yes,
you've enjoyed that.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
And I was like, yes, Carol has this right, right,
My neighbors in New York, they can complain about New York.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
We do it a lot. Right.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
The reason that if a New Yorker says they're traveling
someplace that the first question is where you're flying out
of is so that we can complain about the airport.
And that's just sort of universal. And so yeah, I
think when you left it was jarring for me because
I was very optimistic. I mean, in general, I'm very
up a mystic, and I didn't think New York would
get that way. It got really bad, it got really dark.
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It was not an easy place to be, so maybe
to some extent I felt abandoned by it. But then
I also kind when I eventually left.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Right, I was going to get to that, because you
eventually left.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I guess I left about a year later, and I
think where I drew a distinction, and maybe this was wrong.
I was thinking about this morning because I thought it
might come up. But I think I felt I had
felt to some extent that you had thrown New York
under the bus a little bit on the way out
in a way that I kind of wasn't willing to do.
And I wonder if maybe it has something to do
with the fact that, like, I lived in New York
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for twenty years, but I had the zeal of a convert, right,
I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, I always used to say that about you. You you.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, I don't think you ever totally considered me a
New Yorker, And maybe I wasn't because no, you were you.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I considered you a New Yorker. I mean, I think
jokes about not considering you a New Yorker, but I
did it. Are you in New York?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
You know, on some level, people from Philly never really
become New Yorkers because it's like too close and there's
too much yeah, you know what I mean. Like that's
just Philly's almost in a weird way, like a sixth Borough,
which people in Philly hate when you say that.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
But there's also partly like part of New Jersey, so
it we have ensure.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
That in common. And so I think almost in the
way in which a family member might be in a
better position to speak cold honesty to another family member.
I don't think I felt the level of ownership over
the city that you did, maybe to be that frank.
You know, I remember like one of the last nights
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that I lived in New York, I was at one
of these one of those bars in the thirties, and
like Epstein and Adina were there, and you know, I
think like kJ and Alicia and stuff, and I just
remember walking out to have a cigarette.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
This is our New York crew, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
And I just kind of looked around for a minute
and it was like, just doesn't belong to you anymore.
And I hadn't felt that in decades. You know, it
was pretty profound moment.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So you're happy with your move, are you doing well?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I think so?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I mean it's you know, it was mostly for my
kid and he's he's thriving, So that's that's clearly the
most important thing, right, I do think professionally it's been
useful in two ways. One is which you know, obviously,
I'm interacting with a whole different type of American voter
in West Virginia, even though I'm not like I'm in
the Eastern Panhandle, so I'm not deep in West Virginia,
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not quite a DC suburb, but a little closer to that.
But the other thing is just sort of like the
quiet and stuff. Like as a writer, I knew that
most of my favorite writers, especially twentieth century ones, at
a certain point kind of like got out of the
city and we're like, I'm going to go sit in
the woods and write. It never made sense to me.
It's like why like close your window, right, Like why?
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Like what's the difference?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
And it is different because when you're writing in New York,
you do feel the energy of those nine million people
inside your body in a way that you don't when
you're you know, sitting in the woods and listening to
the birds.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Are you happy in general? Like you do you feel
like it was the right move?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I think so I mean, I don't know, like happy
is hard to he.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Tries to be happy. I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Know, No, I am, I'm yeah, no, it is good,
and again it is I really do like seeing my
son interacting with a new sort of environment. And I
think I guess he was about to turn thirteen when
we moved, so one of the things that his mom
and I really wanted him to have was that was
some feeling of ownership over New York. And I think
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that he did have that. I mean, he knows he's
from Brooklyn, he knows he's you know, that's part of
his legacy.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Do you feel like you've made it? I do?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
You know? I was thinking about that that question, and
I was like, I'm sure all your guests struggled with
like how do you answer it? And I realized that,
you know, I did theater for fifteen almost twenty years,
and when you're in theater, there's one very easy answer
to that question, and everyone has the same answer, and
it is are you making your living doing theater? And
if the answer is yes, then you've made it. If
the answer is no, then you have made it.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yet it's great.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, yeah, I mean basically that's it. It really doesn't
have to do with like have I been the Broadway?
Have I been? It is this how I earned my living,
and there were periods of time when I did, but
I usually I had side hustles. I work as a mover.
I do you know what artists do? So as a
writer now, and I guess I think I ran my
first come roughly ten years ago. Yeah, like I make
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you know, I'm able to, you know, pay the bills
writing so and I have some wonderful readers who were,
you know, great to interact with, and so it's hard
to ask for much more than that.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
If you weren't doing this, would you go back to
theater or was there some other plan, be different path option?
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Theater is hard right now because there's not a lot
of appetite for it. COVID really devastated it. I mean
it was already on a pretty bad trajectory, and I
think we all see what it is now, which is
a lot of politics. I guess, I don't know. Did
you see the clip of like the Broadway musical that
Hill Clinton is producing about the Suffragettes And it's just
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it is insufferable. I mean, it's just every horrible thing
that you can imagine. So I miss it. I mean
we had a lot of fun, but it's a different world,
like you can't. When I started doing theater, it was
a reverend and profane and you know, now it's all
about sort of virgie signaling. And so I don't know
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that there's much place for me in theater.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
No, I think that's the perfect time for you. Like
I think that you could challenge that. Now. I'm not
saying you should go back into theater. I'm just asking
or I like to ask guests what would they be
doing if it wasn't this or whatever it is? And
you know, I get all kinds of answers, and my
jokey answer is always I'd be a DJ, Like I
think I'd be really good at getting party started. But
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you have a different thing that you used to do.
So that's what I That's what's interesting to me is
that you have this other career path that not taken.
And so if you weren't writer, would you be an actor?
Would you be a playwright? And now that you've said that,
you don't think that there's a place for you. Now,
I'm like, no, there'd better be a place for you, Like,
how could there not be a place for you?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
But that requires a lot of that, that requires a
lot of infrastructure. And there was an interesting moment when
I was sort of like towards the end of my
tenure at the Federalist and I was having a very
frank conversation with my then boss and still very good friend,
Ben Dominic, And you know, Ben looked at me and
he was like, Dave, you're a very good writer, you're
not a great team player. And it kind of hurt, right.
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I was kind of like, WHOA, that's harsh, right, especially
because in theater, I think I had the reputation of
being a good team player because I had been an actor,
a director, a playwright, a stage manager. Right, if you
can lighting, if you could do it, I did it.
And so I understood everybody's job and respected it, no
matter which one I had. But I realized there's there's
one big difference between theater and being a columnist, which
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is that in theater, everyone's name is on the poster
right when you walk up to that theater. The playwright's name,
the actors name, the director's name, stage manager, and everything
rises and falls together like everyone has skin in that game.
And when you're a columnist, that's not true. If your
editor makes a mistake and something goes out under your byline,
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that's you. Yeah, right, It's the same thing as being
a TV anchor. If you say it, it doesn't matter
who fouled up, it's on you. So that is a
little different, like as a columnist or as a writer,
like I wouldn't say it's about having to protect yourself,
but you're the brand, right, that's just that's not true.
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When you're an actor in a theater production, you're one
piece of it.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I'm not even sure what being a good team player
as a columnist means, Like as you said it, I
was like, am I a good team player? I don't
really have a team, like who's my team?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
But I guess I think it was more sort of
like personal interactions and like you know, don't get wasted
and show up on Newsmax smoking a cigarette and then
like brit to the.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Interns, smoking cigarettes was part of the appeal. Not back
then you really have made the culture? Yes, yes, so
you write, you do write a lot about culture. You
write about about politics, but what would you say is
our largest cultural problem, and this follow up to that,
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is it solvable?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I mean, I think our largest cultural problem is really
fragmentation on almost every level, and I'm not sure how
solvable it is. I mean, even when you talk about
TV shows, the way that we consume TV shows is
so fragmented now because we don't even have the same channels,
let alone watch the same shows. Right, We're all on
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different services and do you watch this or do you
watch that? So even something huge like years ago, like
Game of Thrones really seem to like penetrate. But if
you brought up Game of Thrones, like half to people
you're talking to had no idea what you were talking about, right,
I mean, the analogy didn't make sense. That wasn't true
of Seinfeld, that wasn't true of things even going back
to the nineties, And so that's certainly true of the
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news media as well. I think that people on different
sides of the political spectrum are looking at news stories
and they're not even the same story. I mean, so
I don't know how you fix that. I think ultimately,
trust has broken down in our institutions, and I think
the only way to regain trust is through consequences. And
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I think maybe we're starting to see that, right, Like,
I like, you see the stuff that RUFO and other
people are doing sort of like, all right, well let's
see how many plagiarists there are. And look, I think
that's important.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, it's fun to watch, for sure. Yeah, it's interesting
the fragmentation thing. And you know, you're obviously you're right.
We used to watch like The Sopranos together or you know,
Game of Thrones is a really good example for that.
But like think about before, you know, before television, somebody
in a town on the East coast is not doing
the same things as someone in a town on the
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West coast. Maybe there's something to that. Maybe it's not
so bad to be fragmented and to kind of do
things in your own spaces. I just think that those
spaces exist online and not physically anymore. And that's maybe
the problem that you're watching something completely different than your
neighbor next door, who has no idea what you're watching
and has no idea what you're into, because even though
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you live in close proximity, you're you know, completely fragmented
and separated. The online thing. Really could we could trace
all our problems back to the internet, right, now.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
But look, I think that's I think that's a fascinating point.
I mean to the idea of these regional differences, right,
Like you know, I'm old enough to remember when members
of our two major political parties were very different based
on region, right, Right, we had Northeast Republicans, we had
Southern Democrats, we had right and that was sort of
like regional. I think that to some extent, you've put
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your thumb on something important here, which is that those
affinity groups are no longer regional. Those affinity groups you
can access from anywhere. Right. So if I'm a sort
of like New Right mega person, I don't need to
live anywhere near other New Right maga people, I can
get them all online. If I'm a never Trump bulwark person, right,
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I can do the same thing. And so it's not
dependent on anything other than your ability to access this
online community.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And that may.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Actually sort of calcify some of the positions, right and
also lead to the idea that, like you're not hearing
the other side very much.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. Like in the last
four years of this Great Florida migration. All the people
that I've met who have moved to Florida in that
COVID time are all here for very similar reasons. It
doesn't mean that we watch the same shows or listen
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to the same music, but we all have a very
and it doesn't even mean that we're all I mean,
most people are voting Republican, but they're not necessarily conservatives.
They're like here for the freedom. It really is like
a thing that's happening here that is regional, and it's
very time based. Like again, if you moved to Florida
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five years ago, you're not the same as the people
who moved here during COVID. You might have moved for taxes,
if you might have moved for weather, you might even
have that same outlook that the COVID kind of refugees have.
But the ones who moved here during this time period
are really all here for the same kind of outlook
and for the same kind of reasons. It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah, Look, something very fascinating happened with Florida over the
past like five or six years. I actually think in
some way it might have weirdly worked against Ronda Santis
to the extent that people in Florida were so overwhelmingly
happy with him that I feel like a lot of
them were sort of looking at the rest of the
country being like, guys, like, how do you not get this?
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Like look at how great this was, and you know,
my ex bad experience is in West Virginia, not in Florida,
you know, and in places like West Virginia, they weren't
looking at Florida as being exceptional in the same way
that people in California and New York were. They were like, well,
that's yes, right, right.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I've never lived anywhere where things function. I don't know
if that's true for you, coming Philly Brooklyn. I mean, look,
you know, things were good in New York. I loved
New York. I loved living in Brooklyn my whole, you know,
most of my life. But would you say things function
while there if there's a couple like it doesn't actually
ever get filled, like you know, unless it's like it
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just takes everything takes a really long time. Here, it's
everything functions super well and everybody's sort of on the
same page of getting things done. Its dazzling. Actually I
lived anywhere like that.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, No, I had one stunning moment like that because
there's a very important bridge near where I live where
basically like, if you're trying to get to d C,
this is the only bridge, right, Otherwise you have to
drive like forty five minutes around a mountain or the
other mountain, right, vital bridge. Yeah, And it was going
to be out for three months, and it was bad.
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I mean there were like legitimately events in DC. Well,
I mean I used to do this city New York too,
but I had more excuse to be anti social because
I was like, I'm not driving the extra sure forty minutes.
And I remember I was like listening to I listened
to AM radio, so I was like listen to like
the local radio in the car and I heard a
report and they were like, the bridge is going to
be done ten days ahead of schedule. Like what. When
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I got home, I texted Joe BURRELLI, our friend Joe
Borelli was like a Staten Island city council for years.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Right, And I said to Joe, I was like, Joe,
I just heard a city official or state official use
this term the bridge is going to be done ahead
of schedule.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Do you have any idea what this means?
Speaker 3 (22:52):
And have you never heard these words? He's like, no, Dave,
I have no idea that would even need and yeah
and no.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
While what they.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Did was they offered a bonus for like every day
that the company got it done early.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, it's amazing and it's sad because New York doesn't
have to be like that, and I think it goes
to times where it functions better than other times. I
just think it happens to be in a in a
not great time right now where they solve problems by
not solving the problems. I think, like, you know, bringing
National Guard into the subway is like I think you
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skipped some steps in here. But yeah, it's it's great
living somewhere where things work and function and things could
happen ahead of schedule. It's it's it's wild, really.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Weird having to pay for my own trash removal. That
that that I just found odd. I mean it's not bad,
like it's not like that much money or anything, but
like like I have to remember to pay it and
it's like a little local company, so like it's not
terribly easy to just whatever. Like that was the one
thing where it's like, what do you mean right? Someone
doesn't take my rash away.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
That's a city thing, right. So my sister in law
stayed with us for a few weeks and I was like,
one night I said to my husband, like, oh, you know,
don't forget the garbage goes out tomorrow. And she's like,
doesn't it go out every day? And I was like no,
and she's like, they don't pick up the garbage every day.
And then she was confident that like her parents on
Long Island have it picked up every day. She calls
her mom, she's like, your garbage gets picked up every day, right.
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My mom was like no, obviously, like it's twice a
week like everywhere else. But she lives in an apartment
building in Brooklyn. She could, you know, throw her banana
peel down the chute and that's it and her garbage
is gone. So it just it is a learning curve.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I remember the shoots. I had like one. I think
I had two apartments with the shoots.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I liked the shoots. Yeah they're amazing. Yeah, it's not
your problem is the shoot represents it being somebody else's
problem to handle the garbage.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
And I lived in a pre war I lived in
a pre war in Yonkers in the early nineties. I
don't know, like six seventh floor building. There's one of
those big like right around Bronxville and the basement. I
don't know if you ever saw it, but it had
the old school dryer, which is basically like like a
rack of these giant like panels that you pull out, no,
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and you hang your clothes on them, and then you
like push them back in and there's like heat.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Uh no, they still is this like nineteen fifties, what
is this?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I think it was from like the forties, like they
were easies.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, it's but they were.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Just still there and I would look at them and
be like, this is kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
That is cool, and so you never decided to give
it a whirl.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I don't think they worked anymore because like we had
the actual laundry by then. It was just like I
guess it was too much money to like pull that
out or there was no reason to. They're probably gone now.
It's probably probably bike racks now.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Probably. Well, it's been great talking to you, Dave, despite
your cigarette smoking, and here with your best tip for
my listeners on how they can improve their lives. Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
My my tip is to read poetry. I don't know
how many people still do that.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I'm a poet. Who should we read? Oh?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I mean there's you know, pick your poison. I mean
some people will like Yates. You know, some people will
like Robert Frost. You can go back and read, you know,
the Sonnets of Shakespeare, Emily Dickinson. I mean, you're going
to find something that you like. But you know, it
occurs to me that we're so inundated with words and information,
just like throughout our entire day, with our heads buried
and our phones, and you know, most of it is
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like trying to sell us something or trying to convince
us of something, or vote for me, or buy my
gold or you know whatever it is right, And poets
for thousands of years have had this urge to write
these short sort of butt're not all short, but you know,
bite sized things of like boy, something just happened, or
I just noticed something, and I think it's really interesting,
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and I think there's really great value if you take
five five minutes to just you know, read a poem
and think about I think, you know, I happen to
be religious, but if you're not religious, I think maybe
even more so because when I pray. I mean those
are Catholic prayers or poems, right, so yeah, like, go
check out some poetry. I think people will. I think
it will improve your day.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah. Beautiful language always does it for me. I like,
you know, songs with good lyrics and yeah, read poetry.
Okay he is. Dave Marcus reread them at Fox News
and Daily Mail. Thank you so much, Dave.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Thanks, Carol, I have a good one.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitz Show.
Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
There's this woman who gives advice to men on the internet.
I'm not going to say her name, but her shtick
is to criticize marriage or relationships as being specifically bad
for men, and anytime she gets any pushback, she basically
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collapses because her ideas are just so weak and terrible.
They really are.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
But she's got a following largely because she plays into
the fears that men have of women, of parenting another
man's baby without knowing it, of his wife cheating on him,
of her leaving him and taking everything. I get the
fears I do, and believe me, women have plenty of
fears about men, to rational and irrational. But the thing
(00:56):
is this woman who gives this advice on the internet
single I feel like maybe has never had a relationship.
She has no idea what goes on in relationships because
she's inexperienced in them. She caters to this male audience
saying what they want to hear, but she's just making
it up. Her understanding of human nature and what goes
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on in real relationship reads very shallow. She recently tweeted
something like When a man says I have to ask
my wife, that's like someone saying I have to ask
my child. I don't know if this attack is trying
to infantilize women or saying that the opinion of a
fully grown female partner is worth the same as a kid.
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But here's a truth that so many people know, people
who have been in relationships. No, when a man says
he has to check with his wife, he very often
just doesn't want to do the thing that you're suggesting.
The advice giving woman has no idea about this subtext,
no idea that there's more going on than a man
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being browbeaten by a woman. She's an empty vessel, willing
to say whatever will take to be famous.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
My bigger point here is that we talk about life
advice a lot on this show. Don't take advice from
people who aren't doing the thing that you want to
be doing. Don't take relationship advice from the single pick
me lady on the internet. Talk to people having relationships
like the kind you wish to have. Listen to people
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doing well what you want to be doing. This goes
beyond relationships. I don't work out, so don't come to
me for Jim Advice, Pick people to learn from who
are succeeding in what you want to do? Coming up next,
and interview with Dave Marcus. Join us after the break.
Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
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guest today is Dave Marcus, columnist for Fox News and
Daily Mail.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Hi, Dave, Hey, Caara, howre you doing?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Why are you small? What is up with that smoke?
Is it like, does it have to be during interviews?
Is it part of the look?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I mean, have we ever spent time around each other?
Is there ever a point in time when you've known
me to go longer than twenty or twenty five minutes
without having a cigarette. I mean, it's just what I do,
all right, It's.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Fair, you're I mean for the people listening. He's dressed
up in a suit, which I said, I hope he
didn't dress up for me, and he's got, you know,
the cigarette. He has the full look going on, trying.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
To bring some stuff back.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I feel like we're as a you know, as a society,
we've turned our back on certain aspects of civilization. I
feel like smoking is among them. In fact, I'll go
so far as to say that, I think the smoking
hysteria of the early twenty first century was a canary
in the COVID coal mine.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Really, it's interesting, why do you think that?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Because I think that there was such there was such
an overwhelming reaction, like against tobacco, against smoking, that it
was like, we're going to do whatever we have to
do right now to take care of this. And even
at the point at which the returns, which like you,
weren't getting fewer and fewer smokers, they just kept up
with the taxes. They kept up with you can't smoke
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in a bar, you can't smoke within one hundred feet
of a bar. They just kept going.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
He hasn't smoking decreased by a lot? I mean, you know,
I generally don't like government, you know, interaction and lots
of things. But they actually did succeed in getting fewer
smokers by a lot. They did.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
By by the early twenty first century, the numbers had declined,
but they've been pretty steady for about ten or fifteen years.
There's actually there's some evidence of an uptick among younger people.
But look, I mean, I just it's about it's about
a balance, it's about legitimate competing interests, and so I
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think that in so many ways, our society just overreacts
to things and we say like we're just not going
to allow it at all, and it gets away from
us a little bit.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Well, I would say, if they weren't successful, if lots
of people were still smoking, you'd be like, I'm not smoking.
That's gross, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I think that's true.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
You might be a contrarian.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Maybe I'm a contrarian, but smoking has been one of
my Smoking has been a constant at least since I
was you know, fifteen or sixteen or whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So all right, well, if you ever want to quit,
you know we'll be here for you and thank you.
We'll support you. Even without the cigarette dangling from your mouth.
It's better than vaping. Oh well, yeah, I mean, but again,
that's that's a very low bar. So look, I've enjoyed
the occasional cigarette with you. I'm not saying that that's
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not possible, but most people do.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
No, no, no. When I when I go, when I
go out socially, I always bring at least one extra
pack of cigarettes because there are a lot of people
in the world who are non smokers. Except for with
Dave Mars, right, except for like three drinks in and
it's like, oh no, I'm like one cigarette. So smokers
prepare for that, well.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I normally if I'm in a smoking phase, which I
actually haven't been in many years now. But I'm a
menthol smoker. I grew up in Brooklyn. Now I like
to say I grew up in Brooklyn around Puerto Ricans
like I smoke Menthol. But you know the funny thing
about Menthol is I've had like homeless people ask me
can I bum a cigarette? And I'll be like, it's
mental and they're like, oh, no, thank you.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, that used to happen to me when I roll
my own cigarettes and they'd be like, right.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Keep your hippie rolled cigarette, that's fine. So you and
I have known each other a while. We were both
living in New York for a long time. We spent
a lot of time together and we're very close. And
I would say that we had a kind of falling
out because we never had an argument or anything, but
we had a bit of a drift. I was kind
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of mad at you actually now that I am thinking
about it, and we reconnected recently in Israel, where Jews
and Christians you know, do that kind of thing. So
what happened with us? What was the what was the split?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
You know? It was It was jarring for me when
you left New York because I think that both of
us had been on this sort of like I remember
a wonderful column that you wrote years ago. I can't
remember if it was around the time that COVID started
or just before, but you were basically like, you know,
I get to insult New York, you don't, right, I think.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
It was I think that was just a tweet, but yes,
you've enjoyed that.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
And I was like, yes, Carol has this right, right,
My neighbors in New York, they can complain about New York.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
We do it a lot. Right.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
The reason that if a New Yorker says they're traveling
someplace that the first question is where you're flying out
of is so that we can complain about the airport.
And that's just sort of universal. And so yeah, I
think when you left it was jarring for me because
I was very optimistic. I mean, in general, I'm very
up a mystic, and I didn't think New York would
get that way. It got really bad, it got really dark.
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It was not an easy place to be, so maybe
to some extent I felt abandoned by it. But then
I also kind when I eventually left.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Right, I was going to get to that, because you
eventually left.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I guess I left about a year later, and I
think where I drew a distinction, and maybe this was wrong.
I was thinking about this morning because I thought it
might come up. But I think I felt I had
felt to some extent that you had thrown New York
under the bus a little bit on the way out
in a way that I kind of wasn't willing to do.
And I wonder if maybe it has something to do
with the fact that, like, I lived in New York
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for twenty years, but I had the zeal of a convert, right,
I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, I always used to say that about you. You you.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, I don't think you ever totally considered me a
New Yorker, And maybe I wasn't because no, you were you.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I considered you a New Yorker. I mean, I think
jokes about not considering you a New Yorker, but I
did it. Are you in New York?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
You know, on some level, people from Philly never really
become New Yorkers because it's like too close and there's
too much yeah, you know what I mean. Like that's
just Philly's almost in a weird way, like a sixth Borough,
which people in Philly hate when you say that.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
But there's also partly like part of New Jersey, so
it we have ensure.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
That in common. And so I think almost in the
way in which a family member might be in a
better position to speak cold honesty to another family member.
I don't think I felt the level of ownership over
the city that you did, maybe to be that frank.
You know, I remember like one of the last nights
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that I lived in New York, I was at one
of these one of those bars in the thirties, and
like Epstein and Adina were there, and you know, I
think like kJ and Alicia and stuff, and I just
remember walking out to have a cigarette.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
This is our New York crew, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
And I just kind of looked around for a minute
and it was like, just doesn't belong to you anymore.
And I hadn't felt that in decades. You know, it
was pretty profound moment.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So you're happy with your move, are you doing well?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I think so?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I mean it's you know, it was mostly for my
kid and he's he's thriving, So that's that's clearly the
most important thing, right, I do think professionally it's been
useful in two ways. One is which you know, obviously,
I'm interacting with a whole different type of American voter
in West Virginia, even though I'm not like I'm in
the Eastern Panhandle, so I'm not deep in West Virginia,
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not quite a DC suburb, but a little closer to that.
But the other thing is just sort of like the
quiet and stuff. Like as a writer, I knew that
most of my favorite writers, especially twentieth century ones, at
a certain point kind of like got out of the
city and we're like, I'm going to go sit in
the woods and write. It never made sense to me.
It's like why like close your window, right, Like why?
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Like what's the difference?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
And it is different because when you're writing in New York,
you do feel the energy of those nine million people
inside your body in a way that you don't when
you're you know, sitting in the woods and listening to
the birds.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Are you happy in general? Like you do you feel
like it was the right move?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I think so I mean, I don't know, like happy
is hard to he.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Tries to be happy. I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Know, No, I am, I'm yeah, no, it is good,
and again it is I really do like seeing my
son interacting with a new sort of environment. And I
think I guess he was about to turn thirteen when
we moved, so one of the things that his mom
and I really wanted him to have was that was
some feeling of ownership over New York. And I think
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that he did have that. I mean, he knows he's
from Brooklyn, he knows he's you know, that's part of
his legacy.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Do you feel like you've made it? I do?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
You know? I was thinking about that that question, and
I was like, I'm sure all your guests struggled with
like how do you answer it? And I realized that,
you know, I did theater for fifteen almost twenty years,
and when you're in theater, there's one very easy answer
to that question, and everyone has the same answer, and
it is are you making your living doing theater? And
if the answer is yes, then you've made it. If
the answer is no, then you have made it.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yet it's great.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, yeah, I mean basically that's it. It really doesn't
have to do with like have I been the Broadway?
Have I been? It is this how I earned my living,
and there were periods of time when I did, but
I usually I had side hustles. I work as a mover.
I do you know what artists do? So as a
writer now, and I guess I think I ran my
first come roughly ten years ago. Yeah, like I make
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you know, I'm able to, you know, pay the bills
writing so and I have some wonderful readers who were,
you know, great to interact with, and so it's hard
to ask for much more than that.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
If you weren't doing this, would you go back to
theater or was there some other plan, be different path option?
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Theater is hard right now because there's not a lot
of appetite for it. COVID really devastated it. I mean
it was already on a pretty bad trajectory, and I
think we all see what it is now, which is
a lot of politics. I guess, I don't know. Did
you see the clip of like the Broadway musical that
Hill Clinton is producing about the Suffragettes And it's just
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it is insufferable. I mean, it's just every horrible thing
that you can imagine. So I miss it. I mean
we had a lot of fun, but it's a different world,
like you can't. When I started doing theater, it was
a reverend and profane and you know, now it's all
about sort of virgie signaling. And so I don't know
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that there's much place for me in theater.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
No, I think that's the perfect time for you. Like
I think that you could challenge that. Now. I'm not
saying you should go back into theater. I'm just asking
or I like to ask guests what would they be
doing if it wasn't this or whatever it is? And
you know, I get all kinds of answers, and my
jokey answer is always I'd be a DJ, Like I
think I'd be really good at getting party started. But
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you have a different thing that you used to do.
So that's what I That's what's interesting to me is
that you have this other career path that not taken.
And so if you weren't writer, would you be an actor?
Would you be a playwright? And now that you've said that,
you don't think that there's a place for you. Now,
I'm like, no, there'd better be a place for you, Like,
how could there not be a place for you?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
But that requires a lot of that, that requires a
lot of infrastructure. And there was an interesting moment when
I was sort of like towards the end of my
tenure at the Federalist and I was having a very
frank conversation with my then boss and still very good friend,
Ben Dominic, And you know, Ben looked at me and
he was like, Dave, you're a very good writer, you're
not a great team player. And it kind of hurt, right.
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I was kind of like, WHOA, that's harsh, right, especially
because in theater, I think I had the reputation of
being a good team player because I had been an actor,
a director, a playwright, a stage manager. Right, if you
can lighting, if you could do it, I did it.
And so I understood everybody's job and respected it, no
matter which one I had. But I realized there's there's
one big difference between theater and being a columnist, which
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is that in theater, everyone's name is on the poster
right when you walk up to that theater. The playwright's name,
the actors name, the director's name, stage manager, and everything
rises and falls together like everyone has skin in that game.
And when you're a columnist, that's not true. If your
editor makes a mistake and something goes out under your byline,
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that's you. Yeah, right, It's the same thing as being
a TV anchor. If you say it, it doesn't matter
who fouled up, it's on you. So that is a
little different, like as a columnist or as a writer,
like I wouldn't say it's about having to protect yourself,
but you're the brand, right, that's just that's not true.
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When you're an actor in a theater production, you're one
piece of it.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I'm not even sure what being a good team player
as a columnist means, Like as you said it, I
was like, am I a good team player? I don't
really have a team, like who's my team?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
But I guess I think it was more sort of
like personal interactions and like you know, don't get wasted
and show up on Newsmax smoking a cigarette and then
like brit to the.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Interns, smoking cigarettes was part of the appeal. Not back
then you really have made the culture? Yes, yes, so
you write, you do write a lot about culture. You
write about about politics, but what would you say is
our largest cultural problem, and this follow up to that,
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is it solvable?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I mean, I think our largest cultural problem is really
fragmentation on almost every level, and I'm not sure how
solvable it is. I mean, even when you talk about
TV shows, the way that we consume TV shows is
so fragmented now because we don't even have the same channels,
let alone watch the same shows. Right, We're all on
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different services and do you watch this or do you
watch that? So even something huge like years ago, like
Game of Thrones really seem to like penetrate. But if
you brought up Game of Thrones, like half to people
you're talking to had no idea what you were talking about, right,
I mean, the analogy didn't make sense. That wasn't true
of Seinfeld, that wasn't true of things even going back
to the nineties, And so that's certainly true of the
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news media as well. I think that people on different
sides of the political spectrum are looking at news stories
and they're not even the same story. I mean, so
I don't know how you fix that. I think ultimately,
trust has broken down in our institutions, and I think
the only way to regain trust is through consequences. And
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I think maybe we're starting to see that, right, Like,
I like, you see the stuff that RUFO and other
people are doing sort of like, all right, well let's
see how many plagiarists there are. And look, I think
that's important.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, it's fun to watch, for sure. Yeah, it's interesting
the fragmentation thing. And you know, you're obviously you're right.
We used to watch like The Sopranos together or you know,
Game of Thrones is a really good example for that.
But like think about before, you know, before television, somebody
in a town on the East coast is not doing
the same things as someone in a town on the
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West coast. Maybe there's something to that. Maybe it's not
so bad to be fragmented and to kind of do
things in your own spaces. I just think that those
spaces exist online and not physically anymore. And that's maybe
the problem that you're watching something completely different than your
neighbor next door, who has no idea what you're watching
and has no idea what you're into, because even though
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you live in close proximity, you're you know, completely fragmented
and separated. The online thing. Really could we could trace
all our problems back to the internet, right, now.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
But look, I think that's I think that's a fascinating point.
I mean to the idea of these regional differences, right,
Like you know, I'm old enough to remember when members
of our two major political parties were very different based
on region, right, Right, we had Northeast Republicans, we had
Southern Democrats, we had right and that was sort of
like regional. I think that to some extent, you've put
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your thumb on something important here, which is that those
affinity groups are no longer regional. Those affinity groups you
can access from anywhere. Right. So if I'm a sort
of like New Right mega person, I don't need to
live anywhere near other New Right maga people, I can
get them all online. If I'm a never Trump bulwark person, right,
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I can do the same thing. And so it's not
dependent on anything other than your ability to access this
online community.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And that may.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Actually sort of calcify some of the positions, right and
also lead to the idea that, like you're not hearing
the other side very much.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. Like in the last
four years of this Great Florida migration. All the people
that I've met who have moved to Florida in that
COVID time are all here for very similar reasons. It
doesn't mean that we watch the same shows or listen
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to the same music, but we all have a very
and it doesn't even mean that we're all I mean,
most people are voting Republican, but they're not necessarily conservatives.
They're like here for the freedom. It really is like
a thing that's happening here that is regional, and it's
very time based. Like again, if you moved to Florida
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five years ago, you're not the same as the people
who moved here during COVID. You might have moved for taxes,
if you might have moved for weather, you might even
have that same outlook that the COVID kind of refugees have.
But the ones who moved here during this time period
are really all here for the same kind of outlook
and for the same kind of reasons. It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah, Look, something very fascinating happened with Florida over the
past like five or six years. I actually think in
some way it might have weirdly worked against Ronda Santis
to the extent that people in Florida were so overwhelmingly
happy with him that I feel like a lot of
them were sort of looking at the rest of the
country being like, guys, like, how do you not get this?
(20:54):
Like look at how great this was, and you know,
my ex bad experience is in West Virginia, not in Florida,
you know, and in places like West Virginia, they weren't
looking at Florida as being exceptional in the same way
that people in California and New York were. They were like, well,
that's yes, right, right.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I've never lived anywhere where things function. I don't know
if that's true for you, coming Philly Brooklyn. I mean, look,
you know, things were good in New York. I loved
New York. I loved living in Brooklyn my whole, you know,
most of my life. But would you say things function
while there if there's a couple like it doesn't actually
ever get filled, like you know, unless it's like it
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just takes everything takes a really long time. Here, it's
everything functions super well and everybody's sort of on the
same page of getting things done. Its dazzling. Actually I
lived anywhere like that.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, No, I had one stunning moment like that because
there's a very important bridge near where I live where
basically like, if you're trying to get to d C,
this is the only bridge, right, Otherwise you have to
drive like forty five minutes around a mountain or the
other mountain, right, vital bridge. Yeah, And it was going
to be out for three months, and it was bad.
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I mean there were like legitimately events in DC. Well,
I mean I used to do this city New York too,
but I had more excuse to be anti social because
I was like, I'm not driving the extra sure forty minutes.
And I remember I was like listening to I listened
to AM radio, so I was like listen to like
the local radio in the car and I heard a
report and they were like, the bridge is going to
be done ten days ahead of schedule. Like what. When
(22:35):
I got home, I texted Joe BURRELLI, our friend Joe
Borelli was like a Staten Island city council for years.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Right, And I said to Joe, I was like, Joe,
I just heard a city official or state official use
this term the bridge is going to be done ahead
of schedule.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Do you have any idea what this means?
Speaker 3 (22:52):
And have you never heard these words? He's like, no, Dave,
I have no idea that would even need and yeah
and no.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
While what they.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Did was they offered a bonus for like every day
that the company got it done early.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, it's amazing and it's sad because New York doesn't
have to be like that, and I think it goes
to times where it functions better than other times. I
just think it happens to be in a in a
not great time right now where they solve problems by
not solving the problems. I think, like, you know, bringing
National Guard into the subway is like I think you
(23:29):
skipped some steps in here. But yeah, it's it's great
living somewhere where things work and function and things could
happen ahead of schedule. It's it's it's wild, really.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Weird having to pay for my own trash removal. That
that that I just found odd. I mean it's not bad,
like it's not like that much money or anything, but
like like I have to remember to pay it and
it's like a little local company, so like it's not
terribly easy to just whatever. Like that was the one
thing where it's like, what do you mean right? Someone
doesn't take my rash away.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
That's a city thing, right. So my sister in law
stayed with us for a few weeks and I was like,
one night I said to my husband, like, oh, you know,
don't forget the garbage goes out tomorrow. And she's like,
doesn't it go out every day? And I was like no,
and she's like, they don't pick up the garbage every day.
And then she was confident that like her parents on
Long Island have it picked up every day. She calls
her mom, she's like, your garbage gets picked up every day, right.
(24:23):
My mom was like no, obviously, like it's twice a
week like everywhere else. But she lives in an apartment
building in Brooklyn. She could, you know, throw her banana
peel down the chute and that's it and her garbage
is gone. So it just it is a learning curve.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I remember the shoots. I had like one. I think
I had two apartments with the shoots.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I liked the shoots. Yeah they're amazing. Yeah, it's not
your problem is the shoot represents it being somebody else's
problem to handle the garbage.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
And I lived in a pre war I lived in
a pre war in Yonkers in the early nineties. I
don't know, like six seventh floor building. There's one of
those big like right around Bronxville and the basement. I
don't know if you ever saw it, but it had
the old school dryer, which is basically like like a
rack of these giant like panels that you pull out, no,
(25:10):
and you hang your clothes on them, and then you
like push them back in and there's like heat.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Uh no, they still is this like nineteen fifties, what
is this?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I think it was from like the forties, like they
were easies.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, it's but they were.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Just still there and I would look at them and
be like, this is kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
That is cool, and so you never decided to give
it a whirl.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I don't think they worked anymore because like we had
the actual laundry by then. It was just like I
guess it was too much money to like pull that
out or there was no reason to. They're probably gone now.
It's probably probably bike racks now.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Probably. Well, it's been great talking to you, Dave, despite
your cigarette smoking, and here with your best tip for
my listeners on how they can improve their lives. Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
My my tip is to read poetry. I don't know
how many people still do that.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I'm a poet. Who should we read? Oh?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I mean there's you know, pick your poison. I mean
some people will like Yates. You know, some people will
like Robert Frost. You can go back and read, you know,
the Sonnets of Shakespeare, Emily Dickinson. I mean, you're going
to find something that you like. But you know, it
occurs to me that we're so inundated with words and information,
just like throughout our entire day, with our heads buried
and our phones, and you know, most of it is
(26:26):
like trying to sell us something or trying to convince
us of something, or vote for me, or buy my
gold or you know whatever it is right, And poets
for thousands of years have had this urge to write
these short sort of butt're not all short, but you know,
bite sized things of like boy, something just happened, or
I just noticed something, and I think it's really interesting,
(26:46):
and I think there's really great value if you take
five five minutes to just you know, read a poem
and think about I think, you know, I happen to
be religious, but if you're not religious, I think maybe
even more so because when I pray. I mean those
are Catholic prayers or poems, right, so yeah, like, go
check out some poetry. I think people will. I think
it will improve your day.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah. Beautiful language always does it for me. I like,
you know, songs with good lyrics and yeah, read poetry.
Okay he is. Dave Marcus reread them at Fox News
and Daily Mail. Thank you so much, Dave.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Thanks, Carol, I have a good one.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitz Show.
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