January 1, 2025 • 42 mins
In this episode, Shemane Nugent shares her inspiring journey of overcoming health challenges caused by toxic mold exposure. She discusses her new book, 'Abundantly Well,' which offers Bible-based wisdom for weight loss and vibrant health. The conversation delves into the prevalence of toxic mold in homes, the importance of fitness and prioritizing health, and the benefits of natural foods and detoxification. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today, we have one
of my favorite people. Whenever I see her, she is
so full of energy, she's so spunky, but she's just
genuinely happy. And I believe that you can just see
her faith shining through her at all times. And you
know how when you come up upon someone and you
can just really feel that they love Jesus, this is
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who I'm talking to today. So I'm excited to announce
that we have Schamaine Nugent on the program today. Shamaine,
thank you so much for being on.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Well, thank you for having me. It's a pleasure and
an honor.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
And you have a new book out which I was
reading through before I got on the podcast, and I'm
just like so excited about just the titles of the
different chapters. I'm like, oh my gosh, this is going
to be amazing for people to be able to go through.
I never even thought about Bible based Wisdom for Weight Loss,
but it's very cool. So it's called Abundantly Well and
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the title, the full title is Abundantly Well Bible Based
Wisdom for Weight Loss, Increased Energy and Vibrant Health. And
I just love the fact that you came out with this,
but it's kind of like it was birds out of
a bit of.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
A tragedy because you almost actually died.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Right. Yeah, My home that was in Michigan and once
featured on MTV Cribs got contaminated with toxic mold between
the walls. We never saw anything. We just all kept
getting sicker and sicker. My husband ted our son, Rocco,
and since I was in the home the most, I
got the sickest. And I had four different types of
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mold in my bloodstream and pre emphysema, debilitating migraines, and
so many other things. But I made a promise to
God that if I could learn how to heal myself
and my family, I would share this information with other people.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Wow. So how long ago was that that you found this?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
That was actually in the year two thousand, So two
thousand and two. I started getting slow symptoms like debilitating migraines,
And meanwhile, I owned a fitness studio in Jackson, Michigan.
I was teaching fifteen high intensity aerobic classes during every
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single week, and I was eating kale before kala was popular,
And all of a sudden, I no doctors could help
me I just kept getting sicker and sicker, and Ted
had to rush me into the hospital many times for
not just migraines, but heart attack symptoms. And wow, no
doctors gave me anything other than prescriptions, and I thought,
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this is not right. So I did a lot of
my own investigative sleuthing, and ultimately we found that toxic
mold was growing where we couldn't even see it between
the walls, and that was the source of my illness,
Ted's and our son Rocos too.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So how many people do you think have this in
their walls?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I'm just curious because I've had a relative who has
similar symptom to that and found a situation where the
air conditioning unit had been seeping into the walls of
the house and ended up with mold in the house.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
How do you know it's toxic? How do you know
it's happening?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I mean, it seems like for you, because I think
this happens to a lot of women. Women are the
ones in the house more, they're getting the kids ready,
they're more vulnerable, they're smaller, and it seems like it
happened to you much worse than happened to Ted or
Rocco and then suddenly it's like, are you having these
experiences or are they in your head? And then you
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did the sleuthing and found out. But do you think
that a lot of people end up being told for
way too long this is in their head?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Absolutely, And you're right, especially women, there's a couple of
things going on. Women take on the emotional anxiety of
the whole family, you know, getting the kids ready, getting
them not saying that guys don't do that. Husbands don't
do that as well. But I think as nurturers, I
did some investigative saluthing. Male testosterone protects them a little
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bit more against things like toxic mold. Also, if there
is an emotional situation that can set you, think about
if somebody's ever said something to you that kind of
feels like a gut punch, like Mike Tyson punch you
in the gut. You can't really describe it, but there
is a physiological result of that emotional toil. So an
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emotional situation happened to me and my family just before that,
and I think that did set me up for getting
sicker than anybody else did. But also, to answer your question,
eighty percent of homes have some form of toxic mold.
My guess. My guess is it's one hundred. We all
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were surrounded by mold every day we go in and
out of our homes. There is People will say, well
there's mold outside, absolutely, but if when a mold remediator
the right mold remediator. Unfortunately, there are a lot of
people out there who don't know what they're doing. B
don't take the time to research and see, just want
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to rip you off. And we are led astray by
so many people we're trusting. But if you have if
they do a mold test, usually what they'll do. There's
a couple of different ways to do it, and I
go through that in my book Killer House extensively. That's
available on Amazon now. But if you have more a
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greater concentration of mold spores in your home rather than
outside where they're meant to be, there's a problem. And
everyone I talk to knows somebody who has either its
mold has affected them or somebody that they know, and
it is a too prevalent problem. I'm hoping that somehow
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I can get to RFK and go pick me, choose me. No.
I want to bring this issue to light because it's
happening to too many people. Too many kids are taking
medications that they don't need for asthma, allergyabb We all
have symptoms, Like everybody's got something that people can write
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off as doctors could write off as stress. Oh you
can't sleep, you've got fibromyalgia, you've got joint pain, short
term memory loss, brain fog, little things, skin rashes, little
things that we can add up to. Yeah, you can
check it off as stress. But I will tell you, tutor,
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almost every symptom, including cancer, can be connected to toxic
mold exposure.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Wow, so you said you had three or four different
types in your bloodstream. How do you get tested for that?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Again, there's a couple different ways, and there's some doctors
who who will literally write it off like you said, Ah, yeah,
it's all on your head. And that happened to me.
Think about you know, people are actually starting to talk
about toxic mold now, but this was twenty years ago
for me, And quite honestly, if Ted didn't have some
of the similar symptoms that I did, he had headaches,
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he didn't have migraines, but we just neither one of
us could sleep for about two years. And one of
the reasons why we both came to the conclusion that
it was our house is that, you know, he was
on tour. We would go away to even places like
London where it's rainy, and we would sleep amazing and go, Wow,
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that's what sleep is supposed to be. Like, your home
should be a source of healing and remedy for the stress.
It shouldn't make you sicker.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, that is crazy, I mean, and I know that's
not really what the book is about, but that part
of it was so fascinating to me that I had
to kind of go there because I had to really understand, Okay,
you went through this, and I think so many people
like you said they have these ailments that they can't
fix and immediately, and people have heard me talk about
this on the podcast. I don't love the idea of
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immediately going to an antibiotic or going to a pharmaceutical
of some sort, because I feel like we rely too
heavily on that, and I think that every time you
put these medications into your body, you make changes to
your body, and it's really hard to detox from that
and make your body go back to the way it
was supposed to be so I think a lot of
people do end up stuck on some medication that's actually
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not resolving the symptoms either, because obviously if there's mold,
then you're not going to be resolving those symptoms. But
you've brought faith into this too, So tell me a
little bit about your faith journey and how you brought
faith into healing and healthy lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Well, I wrote this book abundantly, well because I see
I've been a fitness instructor since nineteen eighty I was
actually once named Detroit's most physical female. Whatw contest took
place at a bar, but I still want way back.
We were doing aerobics in the eighties. Nineteen eighty eight
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was believed. I believe it was Streamers Nightclub in Sterling Heights, Michigan,
but I'm claiming that anyways, I've own it. I've been
a fitness instructor for a long time, and I see
so many people coming to me, women, especially with a
lot of the same problems, and I too, I want
to put this out there. I'd love to eat and
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in college, I went to Central Michigan University. In college,
I was thirty pounds heavier than I am now and
This is one of the other things that I was
one of those people that I was a high school athlete.
I was a state champion swimmer two times. And then
when I got to college and I didn't work out
as much, I thought I could still continue to eat
Hostess cupcakes and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, and that's
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not how it works. So I struggled along with a
lot of other people who still struggle, and I realized
that number one, putting fitness first is a big deal.
This has to be. In fact, I'm doing a lot
of interviews now for this book, and I'm like, I
got to walk the walk because I'm I'm putting I'm
letting my fitness really slide a little bit, and I've
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got to put it back onto my priority because if
we're not healthy, we can't continue to help other people.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
And let me ask about fitness.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Because I think a lot of people, especially when you're busy,
when you're working, when you're traveling, when you have kids
at home, you know, you tend to put yourself last.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I think that this is.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Probably true of many women. I mean probably many men
as well. You know that it's just kind of like
I've got to get I mean there are times when
I think, Okay, I look at the month of December.
If I get through to the end of this month,
I've made it. Like I just am trying to power
through every day. It's like, I know, I have this
in the morning, I've got work, I've got to get
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home and make cookies for this thing at school and
that thing, and you know, by the end of the day,
you are exhausted. So when you say fitness, like, what
kind of fitness are we talking about? Because we you know,
I think I'm like that person that I'm like, Wow,
if I didn't go down and do like an hour
workout where I'm heavy lifting weights and I'm running on
the treadmill, then I haven't done anything, and therefore then
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I really don't do anything, and it's.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
A bad cycle.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, And you know we all do the moment. We
all go through phases in our life, and certainly you know,
as we age, our bodies change. And for me, fitness
looks a lot different than it did when I was
teaching fifteen high intensity aerobics classes per week. Now for
me at sixty two, if I can get in literally
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a twenty minute hit workout. I'm golden, you know. Every
day I try to move my body. The other thing
I found out is that I have a form of scoliosis.
So if I don't move and I don't stretch, my
back literally kind of freezes up. So it's again, it's
making fitness up priority. If you've got five or ten minutes.
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Here's one thing that I do when every morning when
I make coffee, it takes a couple of minutes to brew.
I don't have the automatic setting or whatever. So while
I'm brewing coffee, I start doing my stretches, I start
doing things. Maybe I can get in a few squats.
If you can do five minutes of workout five times
a day, I'm not a mathematician, but that adds up
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to be a pretty good workout. And if that's all
you can do during this season of your life, during
this busy season, it's okay, we walk our dogin.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Then I have to put my phone down and stop
scrolling while my coffee brewis and actually do something.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
And that's and that's something.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Honestly, I think I'm hoping I'm not the only one
that actually has to think, why are you taking time?
I'm like, oh, I have a few minutes, I'll just
scroll the news. No stop, take care of yourself.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It's so easy again as women, to put the needs
of everybody else before our own. But the flight attendant says,
put the oxygen mask on yourself for your help out people.
And I think that's what we've got to as I
age anyway, you know again, there's a season when I
had a young son. He was the priority, and my
husband on tour, they were the priority. Now it's a
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little bit of me time. But I realized too as
a fitness instructor, again, I like to eat, but I
work out. I try to work out, teach classes a
couple times a week, and try to get it in,
you know, into my schedule to make fitness a priority.
But we have got to start putting ourselves first, making
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ourselves a priority, because I see too many women my age,
fifties and older that wake up and go, wow, I
put the needs of my kids before me. And now
I'm thirty forty fifty pounds overweight. How do I lose
the weight? So in this book abundantly well, I want
to be your cheerleader. I want to walk alongside with
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you because I understand what it's like to struggle with weight,
struggle with health, and it's not easy. And if all
you can do today, it's like you said, just getting
through the month of December with all the parties and
we know we're going to eat a little bit extra food.
Sometimes it's just focusing on the day. Can you fit
in a ten minute workout? And if you've ever done
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hit high intensity interval training, you can sweat unbelievably with
a fifteen minute HIT workout if you do it the
right way. And there's so many resources nowadays with online
fitness classes. They're available to us. Take your phone out
while you're making your coffee, do five minutes of squats.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So you're taking away all of my excuses. So I'm
going to have to start doing this. Let's take a
quick commercial break. We'll continue next. On a Tutor Dixon podcast,
you talked about RFK. You are a proponent of natural foods.
Tell us about how you figured that out, because I
think that a lot of Americans have suddenly woken up
(15:01):
to this to the point where I will tell you
this morning, i was watching the news and they were
talking about seed oils on the news, and I'm just
looking through some of the things in my pantry that
I I guess.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I'm like, oh, it's a granola bar.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It's healthy, and I look at it, I'm like, oh,
my gosh, this is a nightmare. This is like cancer
and a tiny stick that I'm giving my kids every day.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
You know. Yes, Well, Unfortunately, like you said, I learned
the hard way. I got sick and almost died. So
part of my recovery was detoxifying my body. I have
to tell you a funny story. I went to the
Environmental Health Center in Dallas. I was there for a
month detoxifying, like getting rid of all of the chemicals
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and helping my body heal naturally with functional medicine like
infrared SNA, vitamin IV, oxygen, and completely changing my diet.
But the funny story is Ted was doing a radio
interview one time and he said, he goes, yeah, my
wife is in rehab. I go, no, No, you can't
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say that.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
No, No, this is like a wellness spot, dear, not rehab.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yes. But one of the things that I learned from
doctor William Ray, who basically saved my life. Suzanne Summers
wrote about him. He was my doctor. Yeah, she wrote
about him. She did a telephone interview and wrote a
series of books interviewing him. But he was my doctor,
and I'll never forget. I came in there barely able
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to his facility, barely able to walk up a flight
of stairs. I could, I needed I needed help getting
up the stairs to get into his office. And I
had a water bottle. I had zero energy and this
I was Detroit's most physical female female, two times state
champion swimmer in Michigan, and all these other things. And
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I had a water bottle, plastic water bottle in my head,
and doctor Ray said, you can never drink out of
plastic again. It set me up for a course of
asking why why are we drinking plastic? When when plastic
water bottles and containers, whether it's SODA's which you shouldn't
be drinking, but when they're transported, especially in Texas, it's
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one hundred degrees, they're not in cooled containers, so all
the chemicals in the plastic leach into the liquid and
you're drinking that. You're drinking cancer basically, And.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Gosh, my entire dusk is covered water bottles that I've
been drinking, Like great, working at me, like no, we're
getting rid of these.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
So it's a whole I lay all this out in
my book. It's it's a whole whole other category for
other people who really we've been sold a bill of
goods that have has been detrimental to us ever since
the seventies when we really learned a fast food in
the form of frozen dinners. Oh it's great. Women, com
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can go back to work and you can just pop
something in the microwave and feed your family. I grew
up on frozen dinners.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I understand. We were a big we.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
It was like the TV dinner you had if you
were lucky, you had a brownie in it, and it was.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I mean, the Swanson ones or whatever it was. But yes,
I became a label reader after I went to after
I got sick and almost died, I had to look
at everything that I was putting into my body. As
you know, if it's in a box on a shelf
for months, you look at the expiration data on Hamburger,
helper or so many other things. If it's there for
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months or even years, is that good fuel for your body?
Why not get back to God food. The closer we
get to the hoof the ground or the tree the better.
And as a hunter, you know, I used to be
kind of not but intimidated about sharing my hunts and
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my harvests with people on social media. But now I'm
so proud because number one, hunting is really empowering for women.
But also I'm feeding my family and myself with pure
lean venison and animals that have the opportunity to exercise
like we do. They're healthier. So if we're ingesting that,
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it's healthier for us. And we know that white tail deer,
our deer are not fed up with antibiotics and chemicals
and steroids and things like that, and it's healthier for us.
And when I was at doctor Ray's, it's funny because
when people found out that I was a bowhunter, it
was kind of like I was the drug dealer in
the facility because they were, you give me some medicine.
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I can't love with you, that's right afterward.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
No, Well, but that is something I actually I find
this interesting because this is something that I feel as
being discouraged by a lot of people. You said you
didn't share it openly on social media. There was a
time where if you did share that you were a
hunter on social media you got really viciously attacked. You have,
I believe you still have a home in Michigan. You're
from Michigan, so you may have seen that. In Michigan,
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I think we're in the top five for car accidents
with a deer because hunting. I believe it's because hunting
has become not only demonized, but also it's become expensive. Now,
the legislature just passed a bill to double the cost
of a hunting license, so you're going to end up
costing people more. What you said is like, you know,
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the natural meat that doesn't have any antibiotics in it.
Why do you think that is something that it's like
a leftist agenda to get rid of hunting when the
cost of having these excess deer is outrageous. And then
you know what's interesting about this In Michigan, in our town,
they have a limited amount of licenses you can get.
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They limit the amount of hunting that can be done.
The deer population became so out of control they hired
sharpshooters to come in and shoot them all.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yes, what is that? I think there's a nefarious agenda
here that they want to control our food source. And
in Texas, do you know that because CWD chronic wasting disease,
because of the fear of it, they are slaughtering one
hundred Texas Parks and Wildlife are slaughtering hundreds of thousands
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of white tailed deer that are in enclosures. There's a
lot of white tailed deer breeder and God bless them
if they if they want to raise deer and sell them.
What's wrong with that? You're providing not only millions of dollars,
hundreds of millions of dollars that is economically feasible for
each state, but also getting the family together and living
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off the land. And in Michigan alone, there are one
hundred thousand car deer accidents per year. So I don't
know about you, but I remember I bought a car
I'll never forget. I bought a brand new suburban. I'm
driving home one October evening. It's dark and I'm driving
home from the dealership with my brand new suburban, and
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a deer jumped out right in front of me. Now
it wasn't killed. I did twenty thousand dollars worth of
damage to that to that vehicle. But what if you
saw a deer flopping on the side of the road,
you're going to let it die and suffer like that.
So there's a lot of things that I you know,
you know, as hunters, we disagree with what they're trying
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to do. I think it is controlling our food source
and making us requiring us to go to them to
buy chickens and burgers that run through so many processing
plants and that are fed up with chemicals and steroids
and even toxic mold to make them look better for
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a longer period of time. And the meat that you
buy oftentimes at the store shelves, they have food die
in it to make them read. So I unfortunately there's
a lot going on. I don't trust, you know, it
used to be Ronald Reagan said, with trust, but verify.
I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Are
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the nine most dangerous words, And I do believe that's happening.
And what a shame. In my home state of Michigan,
the winter wonderland, where there's so many millions and billions
of dollars, people go up north to go hunting every season,
and they go to restaurants and I just got goosebumps,
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And they go to hotels and motels and it's family time.
They want to take this away from us. They want
to say, you know, there's a lot of states that
require that you can't hunt on Sundays, when meanwhile, if
you work nine to five Monday through Friday and you
are working doing the honeydew list on Saturday, the only
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day that you have available to hunt is sun Why
do you think that they're doing that to us, Tutor.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Well, and why would they? This is the thing that
drives me crazy is that nobody's standing up and saying
why are you doing this? Because it has made well,
I can speak for the state of Michigan, as you
just mentioned the one hundred thousand accidents. It has made
the roads unsafe. You have a real problem with overpopulation.
You have a situation where people could be eating and
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they're not. You're you're slaughtering these animals and you're not
doing anything with the meat. I mean, you know that
if you also it's an industry. I mean in the
state of Michigan, this could be a billion or multi
billion dollar industry that we're not taking advantage of because
we are trying to kill the industry altogether.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
That so the logic behind it.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
From the standpoint of running a government and running a state,
it makes no sense. So there has to be a
nefarious agenda here, because I mean, you talked about hitting
that deer. I will tell you about ten years ago
we had friends whose family was in an accident with
a deer. The deer went through the windshield and the
passenger lost their life. I mean, it's not just that
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it causes damage. It's outrageous damage. It's outrageous cost to
people who live here in any other state that does this.
But yeah, it's also a potential loss of life or
injury that harms you for life. Oh why would you
do this outside of some nefarious agenda.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Wholeheartedly agree, I think that, unfortunately, there is a leftist
agenda when it comes to a lot of the white
tail deer management programs around and hunting licensing. Why would
they want to increase the cost of a license when
you know you can get so many wonderful memorable times
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with your family around a campfire. It's not just about
the hunt. If we as hunters really just wanted to
kill stuff, I've always said this, Ted would go buy
a building, put a bunch of animals in there, and
blow it out. That's not what it's about. It's about
being outdoors and connecting with God's precious design and white
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tailed deer, our precious renewable resource that God has given us.
In the Bible, God says to Noah, take that quiver
and I bow and get me some venison. Okay, you know,
here we are. But they want to stop that agenda.
It's a liberal agenda. It's a leftist agenda. And unfortunately,
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like our federal government, we've allowed this leftist agenda to
infiltrate our own statewide governments and take control of the
Michigan dn R, Texas Parks and wildlife and so many
others to hire. You're going to pay? How does this
make sense? You're going to pay a sharpshooter tax dout
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you and I pay for rather than letting a dad
take his young son to experience the spirit of the
wild outdoors where he's not doing this, he's shutting that down,
all the chaos and anxiety, and they get to spend
family time together and they'll remember that forever. So there
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is an incredible nefarious agenda that has got to be stopped.
I think TED should be a part of the Michigan
dn R and I think he's got some meetings with
them coming up soon. But the more that people like you, Tutors,
speak out and share your wisdom and your guidance about this,
the more people will understand. Unfortunately, fifty percent of Hunters
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do not vote. Fifty percent of Christians do not vote.
So now with Hunter Nation, this organization that we are
involved with, and along with Don Trump Junior, we are
getting the word out. We are getting people to stop
being apathetic, sitting back and going, Eh, my vote doesn't matter.
Anyway it does.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
And I think that's the change that we've seen, even
in people's willingness to talk about being hunters.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
And you guys have.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Done so much to get rid of the shame that
they were trying to put on this group of people
who are doing really, like you said, it's God's work.
I mean, we were meant we were put on this
earth together with animals and told to do this. So
it's not like you're doing something that you're not supposed
to be doing. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll
continue next on a Tutor Dixon podcast. I just want
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to say that Ted does these hunts that you're talking
about and he has brought people together and gone on
hunts with other people and had people that he doesn't
know join him on hunts. And I know this for
a fact because my husband's uncle was one of them,
just such a such a huge fan of his and
he and they had a friend who had cancer and
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was dying, and that was his dying wish, and they
went out. And I just want you to know that
what you guys have done have touched, has touched so
many families. And that's why Ted fighting here in Michigan
and talking to the DNR and helping to make sure
this is always available to families is so valuable. And
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we appreciate everything that you guys do more than you
will ever know, honestly. But I think I speak on
behalf of so many people and so many families and
so many fathers and mothers. I mean, the girls came
home from school the other day and they're like, Mom,
do you know how many families hunt like my age,
my friends, they are big hunters.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
And I'm like, yeah, this is a big part of
people's lives.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And they just thought that was so incredible that families
take their kids out that are eleven and nine and
eight years old and they get to be out there
involved in this pastime that their parents are taking them
out into the wild and taking them out for days
at a time into the wilderness. It's just incredible. And
(29:55):
I think it is you talk about that. I think
in the book too, that time spent outdoors and how
valuable that can be. And we have faith into that.
So tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I do think that my husband will always say that,
you know, he doesn't go to church, he goes to
commune with God in nature, and I think a lot
of people are like that as well. And you know,
this is a blessing to be in charge to steward
the land and hunters are conservationists at heart. We spend
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so much on helping the wildlife, feeding the wildlife, managing
the wildlife, and our tax dollars go to, especially as
buying licenses, we go to preserving the land so the
wildlife will thrive. And a lot of people don't understand
that and realize that, and thank you for sharing that story.
It really is meaningful to us. And you know, if
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Ted has a day off, he'll spend it. He'll make
phone calls to people who unfortunately are losing their lives
for cancer problems or whatever for whatever reason. And it's
very moving to us as well. And I think that's
why God put us on this earth to help each other.
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And you know what was I'll never forget. We had
a hunt with a not a hunt, but there was
a young man. It's five years old, young man, young
young boy, five years old old named Macon Lynn, and
his dying wish he had terminal cancer. His dying wish
was to come to our ranch and spend the day
with us. And doesn't that tutor like a bad hair
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day or you know, little things just don't mean anything anymore.
That's what this is all about. And if we can
help each other and recognize that hunting is number one
ethical and proper and good for us, healthy for us,
healthy for wildlife habitat, and healthy for wildlife, why are
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they they meaning the government, why are they so against it?
And it's incredible to me, but I am so grateful
that we have this opportunity to share this hunting lifestyle
with so many other people, and you know, just hang
out with people by a campfire. It really does make
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life worthwhile.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Well, I think too often people who are making the
decisions in government, are not people who have experienced what
they're making the decision on. I mean, I oftentimes see
people making decisions on small businesses or manufacturers or farming
or this or hunting, and they've never had any experience
with it themselves. That's why it is so important. I mean,
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I think that's why people look at what Donald Trump
has done and they say, what an amazing situation we
have here. And granted and I mean some people are
not looking at that, but I think they will see that.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
That's why I have faith that they will see that.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
He has brought people together that have experience in all
of these different areas, and they're not necessarily ideologically alike.
It's not necessarily all Republicans. It's people who believe in
what their specific mission is, and he believes in there
in how they look at that mission, whether it is
a Pete Hegseth or an RFK or a Tulsia Gabbard.
(33:17):
He's bringing people from all different backgrounds who aren't necessarily
the historical I've been in government my whole life, Like
you said, I'm we're the government, We're here to help. No,
it's people from outside of the government, which I think
is how it was meant.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
To be right.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yes, and you know, unfortunately, what the left has done
to so many people, especially President Trump, it has prevented
good people like you from getting into politics and pursuing
that because there are so many great people that don't
have a political background, and God bless them, we've got it.
We've got to start small. We've got to start in
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our communities, our cities or states or counties and elect
people who aren't career politicians, who are a businessmen who'll
get no why would I want to spend Why would
I want to double my hunting license money so that
the government could go in and hire sharpshooters Like this
just doesn't It doesn't make sense at all.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
So funny thing is you can get so much more
out of that industry by making the industry bigger. I mean,
you could bring in so much more revenue from taxes
than from licenses, you know, like if you brought more
visitors into the state and you had more sales tax
Think about how much you could expand your revenue by
expanding that industry rather than shutting it down.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
It makes no sense to me.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
It doesn't make any sense, and unfortunately a lot of people,
like we said, have been apathetic and they've not wanted
to make waves with other people with businesses. I remember
I was banned on Twitter for a pro Trump tweet,
and I did happen to talk about I've been outspoken
about the C nineteen jab and other things because I
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know I'm a label reader. I read the ingredients in
that and I'm like, no, I don't want to put
it in my body. I want to get vitamin D
from the sun. I want to eat an apple a day,
natural things that will help heal my body and make
me healthy. Meanwhile, the USDA is flipping the script and
they want to make fruit loops and cheerios as healthy
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or healthier than eating a steak. We're onto you. We're
onto you, and we are coming. We were coming for
you in a way that we will not back down.
We are mama bears. We want to protect ourselves and
our kids. We want to just be healthy. Would you
leave us alone? Please? No?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
But I think about how tricked we have been and
how much people like you speaking out and your book
will change this country.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Because I think about when when I was.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
A kid, we were told to eat eggs. If you
eat eggs, you're going to have a heart attack. I mean,
imagine the fact that we were told not to eat eggs,
to have butter or margarine instead of butter. To you know,
you were supposed to eat all of these fat free items.
Everything had to be fat free, and we were just
pounding calories and chemicals. I mean, really, what we were
eating was made of calories and chemicals. Remember those pattata
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you probably are well, you're I remember this. Remember those
potato chips that were o ling. Everybody got sick.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yes, And you know, if you look at like fat
free twinkies, come on, man, maybe having a diet coke
and a fat free twinkie. Again. We've been misled. We've
been gaslight into believing and trusting the government. I'm from
the government, and I'm here to help. Look at the
food pyramid. You need to eat now a lot of grains, No,
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you don't. You need to fill your body with good,
clean protein. Get rid of the chemicals. I can sum
up my book in just a couple of sentences by
become a label reader. Get rid of sugar, white sugar,
white flower again, if it's in a box on a
shelf for months or even years. Don't eat it. Fuel
your body with God food, not man made food. Get exercise,
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move around. And the other reason about my book that
I brought God into it. I'm doing something that I
don't think many other people are doing. The publisher asked me,
you know what's different about your book when there are
diet and exercise books that are galore out there. Well,
I do think there's another element that nobody's talking about,
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which is spiritual warfare. The devil comes to kill, steal,
and destroy, right, how better to do that than to
put those negative thoughts in your mind and to get
you unhealthy. That's a spiritual tax. So I have a
whole chapter devoted to spiritual warfare. He doesn't want us
to be healthy, and I think there's a strategy to
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go about doing it. We've got to just like we
have spiritual warfare practices with six back Satan you don't
belong here and praying over us. We cannot be apathetic anymore.
We've got to be in the offense. And I think
that's really a powerful move, especially on behalf of women.
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But we need to be empowered. We have to realize
that God wants us to be healthy and we're sick
and tired of being sick and tired.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
No, I think that's so fascinating.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Just a few weeks ago, our pastor was talking about
spiritual warfare and how in other countries they talk about
it regularly, they talk about people having demons and all
of this stuff, and he said, it's the United States
is one of the only places where we don't talk
about it because we have to have science describe everything.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
No, no, no, we know this, we know that.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
And he said, but there is spiritual warfare and it
is in every area of our lives, and we do
have to be aware of it.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
And I agree with you. I think that there.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I look at the unhealthy children that I see around us,
and I think, how did this happen?
Speaker 3 (39:02):
And how did this come to be?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
And I do think that there's even an obsession with foods,
and I mean, look, we have whole industries built around
trying to get you addicted to food, right, Yes, so
it is the problem, and none of it is healthy.
It's not like the salary people are out there every
day like eat celery.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
That's not the people out there.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
So I mean, I appreciate what you're saying, and I
love the fact that I love. Like I said, I
think this book is for so many people, and I
think it's a perfect time where at the beginning of
the year read this book because we all want to
start new. I mean, everybody wants to start fresh in January,
but I think that we all want to start new
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in general. We've had this election, We've seen Donald Trump
with this overwhelming mandate from the people. Part of that
was the Make America Healthy Again movement.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
So this is the.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Time start new, get abundantly well. Make sure you go
out and get the book. Tell us where you can
get at it and how people can start on their journey.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
It's available on Amazon and there are simple practical tips
that you can use take with you. I want to
be your cheerleader, I want to be your coach. I
want to help you get healthy now. And it's about
the little steps that really make a big difference.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
And like I said at the beginning, when I introduce Shamaine,
this is someone who lives this. I mean you see
it when you are with her, you feel it, You
feel this energy, and that's part of the book.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
It's increasing your energy. It's a vibrant health. What I mean, Shamane,
you are this book, this is who you are.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
And so so that's why sometimes I see people wrote
a book and I'm like, I mean, okay, this is
this They're really their subject.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
This is your subject.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
I mean when I'm around you, I'm like, this is
life goals. I want to be you. And so I'm
not kidding you. Or You're such an amazing person. You
have such a light around you. So I just want
to say thank you for coming on and for everybody
out there, this is I mean, this is a lot
of people listen to the podcast. If you're watching the podcast,
no one would believe that you are in your sixties
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because you just look amazing. But it's all natural. So
thank you so much for sharing this with us. And
thanks for coming on today.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Oh Tudor, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
God bless you absolutely And I don't know how you
keep up with Ted, So I think that alone is
part of it.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I got to be I gotta be super healthy. Yeah, health,
we both do. We have a lot of work to do.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
We thank you you too, Yes, like getting.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Our government back on track, and so I thank you
for the work that you have done in that area,
and I hope that we can work together soon.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Absolutely, I look forward to it.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Thank you so much, thanks for being on today, absolutely,
and thank you all for joining us on the Tutor
Dixon Podcast for this episode and others. You can go
to Tutor Dixon podcast dot com or the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and join
us next time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Have a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today, we have one
of my favorite people. Whenever I see her, she is
so full of energy, she's so spunky, but she's just
genuinely happy. And I believe that you can just see
her faith shining through her at all times. And you
know how when you come up upon someone and you
can just really feel that they love Jesus, this is
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who I'm talking to today. So I'm excited to announce
that we have Schamaine Nugent on the program today. Shamaine,
thank you so much for being on.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Well, thank you for having me. It's a pleasure and
an honor.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
And you have a new book out which I was
reading through before I got on the podcast, and I'm
just like so excited about just the titles of the
different chapters. I'm like, oh my gosh, this is going
to be amazing for people to be able to go through.
I never even thought about Bible based Wisdom for Weight Loss,
but it's very cool. So it's called Abundantly Well and
(00:56):
the title, the full title is Abundantly Well Bible Based
Wisdom for Weight Loss, Increased Energy and Vibrant Health. And
I just love the fact that you came out with this,
but it's kind of like it was birds out of
a bit of.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
A tragedy because you almost actually died.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Right. Yeah, My home that was in Michigan and once
featured on MTV Cribs got contaminated with toxic mold between
the walls. We never saw anything. We just all kept
getting sicker and sicker. My husband ted our son, Rocco,
and since I was in the home the most, I
got the sickest. And I had four different types of
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mold in my bloodstream and pre emphysema, debilitating migraines, and
so many other things. But I made a promise to
God that if I could learn how to heal myself
and my family, I would share this information with other people.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Wow. So how long ago was that that you found this?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
That was actually in the year two thousand, So two
thousand and two. I started getting slow symptoms like debilitating migraines,
And meanwhile, I owned a fitness studio in Jackson, Michigan.
I was teaching fifteen high intensity aerobic classes during every
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single week, and I was eating kale before kala was popular,
And all of a sudden, I no doctors could help
me I just kept getting sicker and sicker, and Ted
had to rush me into the hospital many times for
not just migraines, but heart attack symptoms. And wow, no
doctors gave me anything other than prescriptions, and I thought,
(02:35):
this is not right. So I did a lot of
my own investigative sleuthing, and ultimately we found that toxic
mold was growing where we couldn't even see it between
the walls, and that was the source of my illness,
Ted's and our son Rocos too.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So how many people do you think have this in
their walls?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I'm just curious because I've had a relative who has
similar symptom to that and found a situation where the
air conditioning unit had been seeping into the walls of
the house and ended up with mold in the house.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
How do you know it's toxic? How do you know
it's happening?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I mean, it seems like for you, because I think
this happens to a lot of women. Women are the
ones in the house more, they're getting the kids ready,
they're more vulnerable, they're smaller, and it seems like it
happened to you much worse than happened to Ted or
Rocco and then suddenly it's like, are you having these
experiences or are they in your head? And then you
(03:33):
did the sleuthing and found out. But do you think
that a lot of people end up being told for
way too long this is in their head?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Absolutely, And you're right, especially women, there's a couple of
things going on. Women take on the emotional anxiety of
the whole family, you know, getting the kids ready, getting
them not saying that guys don't do that. Husbands don't
do that as well. But I think as nurturers, I
did some investigative saluthing. Male testosterone protects them a little
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bit more against things like toxic mold. Also, if there
is an emotional situation that can set you, think about
if somebody's ever said something to you that kind of
feels like a gut punch, like Mike Tyson punch you
in the gut. You can't really describe it, but there
is a physiological result of that emotional toil. So an
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emotional situation happened to me and my family just before that,
and I think that did set me up for getting
sicker than anybody else did. But also, to answer your question,
eighty percent of homes have some form of toxic mold.
My guess. My guess is it's one hundred. We all
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were surrounded by mold every day we go in and
out of our homes. There is People will say, well
there's mold outside, absolutely, but if when a mold remediator
the right mold remediator. Unfortunately, there are a lot of
people out there who don't know what they're doing. B
don't take the time to research and see, just want
(05:04):
to rip you off. And we are led astray by
so many people we're trusting. But if you have if
they do a mold test, usually what they'll do. There's
a couple of different ways to do it, and I
go through that in my book Killer House extensively. That's
available on Amazon now. But if you have more a
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greater concentration of mold spores in your home rather than
outside where they're meant to be, there's a problem. And
everyone I talk to knows somebody who has either its
mold has affected them or somebody that they know, and
it is a too prevalent problem. I'm hoping that somehow
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I can get to RFK and go pick me, choose me. No.
I want to bring this issue to light because it's
happening to too many people. Too many kids are taking
medications that they don't need for asthma, allergyabb We all
have symptoms, Like everybody's got something that people can write
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off as doctors could write off as stress. Oh you
can't sleep, you've got fibromyalgia, you've got joint pain, short
term memory loss, brain fog, little things, skin rashes, little
things that we can add up to. Yeah, you can
check it off as stress. But I will tell you, tutor,
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almost every symptom, including cancer, can be connected to toxic
mold exposure.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Wow, so you said you had three or four different
types in your bloodstream. How do you get tested for that?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Again, there's a couple different ways, and there's some doctors
who who will literally write it off like you said, Ah, yeah,
it's all on your head. And that happened to me.
Think about you know, people are actually starting to talk
about toxic mold now, but this was twenty years ago
for me, And quite honestly, if Ted didn't have some
of the similar symptoms that I did, he had headaches,
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he didn't have migraines, but we just neither one of
us could sleep for about two years. And one of
the reasons why we both came to the conclusion that
it was our house is that, you know, he was
on tour. We would go away to even places like
London where it's rainy, and we would sleep amazing and go, Wow,
(07:32):
that's what sleep is supposed to be. Like, your home
should be a source of healing and remedy for the stress.
It shouldn't make you sicker.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, that is crazy, I mean, and I know that's
not really what the book is about, but that part
of it was so fascinating to me that I had
to kind of go there because I had to really understand, Okay,
you went through this, and I think so many people
like you said they have these ailments that they can't
fix and immediately, and people have heard me talk about
this on the podcast. I don't love the idea of
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immediately going to an antibiotic or going to a pharmaceutical
of some sort, because I feel like we rely too
heavily on that, and I think that every time you
put these medications into your body, you make changes to
your body, and it's really hard to detox from that
and make your body go back to the way it
was supposed to be so I think a lot of
people do end up stuck on some medication that's actually
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not resolving the symptoms either, because obviously if there's mold,
then you're not going to be resolving those symptoms. But
you've brought faith into this too, So tell me a
little bit about your faith journey and how you brought
faith into healing and healthy lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Well, I wrote this book abundantly, well because I see
I've been a fitness instructor since nineteen eighty I was
actually once named Detroit's most physical female. Whatw contest took
place at a bar, but I still want way back.
We were doing aerobics in the eighties. Nineteen eighty eight
(09:04):
was believed. I believe it was Streamers Nightclub in Sterling Heights, Michigan,
but I'm claiming that anyways, I've own it. I've been
a fitness instructor for a long time, and I see
so many people coming to me, women, especially with a
lot of the same problems, and I too, I want
to put this out there. I'd love to eat and
(09:25):
in college, I went to Central Michigan University. In college,
I was thirty pounds heavier than I am now and
This is one of the other things that I was
one of those people that I was a high school athlete.
I was a state champion swimmer two times. And then
when I got to college and I didn't work out
as much, I thought I could still continue to eat
Hostess cupcakes and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, and that's
(09:48):
not how it works. So I struggled along with a
lot of other people who still struggle, and I realized
that number one, putting fitness first is a big deal.
This has to be. In fact, I'm doing a lot
of interviews now for this book, and I'm like, I
got to walk the walk because I'm I'm putting I'm
letting my fitness really slide a little bit, and I've
(10:11):
got to put it back onto my priority because if
we're not healthy, we can't continue to help other people.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
And let me ask about fitness.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Because I think a lot of people, especially when you're busy,
when you're working, when you're traveling, when you have kids
at home, you know, you tend to put yourself last.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I think that this is.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Probably true of many women. I mean probably many men
as well. You know that it's just kind of like
I've got to get I mean there are times when
I think, Okay, I look at the month of December.
If I get through to the end of this month,
I've made it. Like I just am trying to power
through every day. It's like, I know, I have this
in the morning, I've got work, I've got to get
(10:53):
home and make cookies for this thing at school and
that thing, and you know, by the end of the day,
you are exhausted. So when you say fitness, like, what
kind of fitness are we talking about? Because we you know,
I think I'm like that person that I'm like, Wow,
if I didn't go down and do like an hour
workout where I'm heavy lifting weights and I'm running on
the treadmill, then I haven't done anything, and therefore then
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I really don't do anything, and it's.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
A bad cycle.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, And you know we all do the moment. We
all go through phases in our life, and certainly you know,
as we age, our bodies change. And for me, fitness
looks a lot different than it did when I was
teaching fifteen high intensity aerobics classes per week. Now for
me at sixty two, if I can get in literally
(11:41):
a twenty minute hit workout. I'm golden, you know. Every
day I try to move my body. The other thing
I found out is that I have a form of scoliosis.
So if I don't move and I don't stretch, my
back literally kind of freezes up. So it's again, it's
making fitness up priority. If you've got five or ten minutes.
(12:03):
Here's one thing that I do when every morning when
I make coffee, it takes a couple of minutes to brew.
I don't have the automatic setting or whatever. So while
I'm brewing coffee, I start doing my stretches, I start
doing things. Maybe I can get in a few squats.
If you can do five minutes of workout five times
a day, I'm not a mathematician, but that adds up
(12:24):
to be a pretty good workout. And if that's all
you can do during this season of your life, during
this busy season, it's okay, we walk our dogin.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Then I have to put my phone down and stop
scrolling while my coffee brewis and actually do something.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
And that's and that's something.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Honestly, I think I'm hoping I'm not the only one
that actually has to think, why are you taking time?
I'm like, oh, I have a few minutes, I'll just
scroll the news. No stop, take care of yourself.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It's so easy again as women, to put the needs
of everybody else before our own. But the flight attendant says,
put the oxygen mask on yourself for your help out people.
And I think that's what we've got to as I
age anyway, you know again, there's a season when I
had a young son. He was the priority, and my
husband on tour, they were the priority. Now it's a
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little bit of me time. But I realized too as
a fitness instructor, again, I like to eat, but I
work out. I try to work out, teach classes a
couple times a week, and try to get it in,
you know, into my schedule to make fitness a priority.
But we have got to start putting ourselves first, making
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ourselves a priority, because I see too many women my age,
fifties and older that wake up and go, wow, I
put the needs of my kids before me. And now
I'm thirty forty fifty pounds overweight. How do I lose
the weight? So in this book abundantly well, I want
to be your cheerleader. I want to walk alongside with
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you because I understand what it's like to struggle with weight,
struggle with health, and it's not easy. And if all
you can do today, it's like you said, just getting
through the month of December with all the parties and
we know we're going to eat a little bit extra food.
Sometimes it's just focusing on the day. Can you fit
in a ten minute workout? And if you've ever done
(14:19):
hit high intensity interval training, you can sweat unbelievably with
a fifteen minute HIT workout if you do it the
right way. And there's so many resources nowadays with online
fitness classes. They're available to us. Take your phone out
while you're making your coffee, do five minutes of squats.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So you're taking away all of my excuses. So I'm
going to have to start doing this. Let's take a
quick commercial break. We'll continue next. On a Tutor Dixon podcast,
you talked about RFK. You are a proponent of natural foods.
Tell us about how you figured that out, because I
think that a lot of Americans have suddenly woken up
(15:01):
to this to the point where I will tell you
this morning, i was watching the news and they were
talking about seed oils on the news, and I'm just
looking through some of the things in my pantry that
I I guess.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I'm like, oh, it's a granola bar.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It's healthy, and I look at it, I'm like, oh,
my gosh, this is a nightmare. This is like cancer
and a tiny stick that I'm giving my kids every day.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
You know. Yes, Well, Unfortunately, like you said, I learned
the hard way. I got sick and almost died. So
part of my recovery was detoxifying my body. I have
to tell you a funny story. I went to the
Environmental Health Center in Dallas. I was there for a
month detoxifying, like getting rid of all of the chemicals
(15:45):
and helping my body heal naturally with functional medicine like
infrared SNA, vitamin IV, oxygen, and completely changing my diet.
But the funny story is Ted was doing a radio
interview one time and he said, he goes, yeah, my
wife is in rehab. I go, no, No, you can't
(16:06):
say that.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
No, No, this is like a wellness spot, dear, not rehab.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yes. But one of the things that I learned from
doctor William Ray, who basically saved my life. Suzanne Summers
wrote about him. He was my doctor. Yeah, she wrote
about him. She did a telephone interview and wrote a
series of books interviewing him. But he was my doctor,
and I'll never forget. I came in there barely able
(16:36):
to his facility, barely able to walk up a flight
of stairs. I could, I needed I needed help getting
up the stairs to get into his office. And I
had a water bottle. I had zero energy and this
I was Detroit's most physical female female, two times state
champion swimmer in Michigan, and all these other things. And
(16:57):
I had a water bottle, plastic water bottle in my head,
and doctor Ray said, you can never drink out of
plastic again. It set me up for a course of
asking why why are we drinking plastic? When when plastic
water bottles and containers, whether it's SODA's which you shouldn't
be drinking, but when they're transported, especially in Texas, it's
(17:21):
one hundred degrees, they're not in cooled containers, so all
the chemicals in the plastic leach into the liquid and
you're drinking that. You're drinking cancer basically, And.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Gosh, my entire dusk is covered water bottles that I've
been drinking, Like great, working at me, like no, we're
getting rid of these.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
So it's a whole I lay all this out in
my book. It's it's a whole whole other category for
other people who really we've been sold a bill of
goods that have has been detrimental to us ever since
the seventies when we really learned a fast food in
the form of frozen dinners. Oh it's great. Women, com
(18:08):
can go back to work and you can just pop
something in the microwave and feed your family. I grew
up on frozen dinners.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I understand. We were a big we.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
It was like the TV dinner you had if you
were lucky, you had a brownie in it, and it was.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I mean, the Swanson ones or whatever it was. But yes,
I became a label reader after I went to after
I got sick and almost died, I had to look
at everything that I was putting into my body. As
you know, if it's in a box on a shelf
for months, you look at the expiration data on Hamburger,
helper or so many other things. If it's there for
(18:44):
months or even years, is that good fuel for your body?
Why not get back to God food. The closer we
get to the hoof the ground or the tree the better.
And as a hunter, you know, I used to be
kind of not but intimidated about sharing my hunts and
(19:06):
my harvests with people on social media. But now I'm
so proud because number one, hunting is really empowering for women.
But also I'm feeding my family and myself with pure
lean venison and animals that have the opportunity to exercise
like we do. They're healthier. So if we're ingesting that,
(19:26):
it's healthier for us. And we know that white tail deer,
our deer are not fed up with antibiotics and chemicals
and steroids and things like that, and it's healthier for us.
And when I was at doctor Ray's, it's funny because
when people found out that I was a bowhunter, it
was kind of like I was the drug dealer in
the facility because they were, you give me some medicine.
(19:51):
I can't love with you, that's right afterward.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
No, Well, but that is something I actually I find
this interesting because this is something that I feel as
being discouraged by a lot of people. You said you
didn't share it openly on social media. There was a
time where if you did share that you were a
hunter on social media you got really viciously attacked. You have,
I believe you still have a home in Michigan. You're
from Michigan, so you may have seen that. In Michigan,
(20:16):
I think we're in the top five for car accidents
with a deer because hunting. I believe it's because hunting
has become not only demonized, but also it's become expensive. Now,
the legislature just passed a bill to double the cost
of a hunting license, so you're going to end up
costing people more. What you said is like, you know,
(20:37):
the natural meat that doesn't have any antibiotics in it.
Why do you think that is something that it's like
a leftist agenda to get rid of hunting when the
cost of having these excess deer is outrageous. And then
you know what's interesting about this In Michigan, in our town,
they have a limited amount of licenses you can get.
(20:58):
They limit the amount of hunting that can be done.
The deer population became so out of control they hired
sharpshooters to come in and shoot them all.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yes, what is that? I think there's a nefarious agenda
here that they want to control our food source. And
in Texas, do you know that because CWD chronic wasting disease,
because of the fear of it, they are slaughtering one
hundred Texas Parks and Wildlife are slaughtering hundreds of thousands
(21:27):
of white tailed deer that are in enclosures. There's a
lot of white tailed deer breeder and God bless them
if they if they want to raise deer and sell them.
What's wrong with that? You're providing not only millions of dollars,
hundreds of millions of dollars that is economically feasible for
each state, but also getting the family together and living
(21:50):
off the land. And in Michigan alone, there are one
hundred thousand car deer accidents per year. So I don't
know about you, but I remember I bought a car
I'll never forget. I bought a brand new suburban. I'm
driving home one October evening. It's dark and I'm driving
home from the dealership with my brand new suburban, and
(22:12):
a deer jumped out right in front of me. Now
it wasn't killed. I did twenty thousand dollars worth of
damage to that to that vehicle. But what if you
saw a deer flopping on the side of the road,
you're going to let it die and suffer like that.
So there's a lot of things that I you know,
you know, as hunters, we disagree with what they're trying
(22:33):
to do. I think it is controlling our food source
and making us requiring us to go to them to
buy chickens and burgers that run through so many processing
plants and that are fed up with chemicals and steroids
and even toxic mold to make them look better for
(22:54):
a longer period of time. And the meat that you
buy oftentimes at the store shelves, they have food die
in it to make them read. So I unfortunately there's
a lot going on. I don't trust, you know, it
used to be Ronald Reagan said, with trust, but verify.
I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Are
(23:14):
the nine most dangerous words, And I do believe that's happening.
And what a shame. In my home state of Michigan,
the winter wonderland, where there's so many millions and billions
of dollars, people go up north to go hunting every season,
and they go to restaurants and I just got goosebumps,
(23:35):
And they go to hotels and motels and it's family time.
They want to take this away from us. They want
to say, you know, there's a lot of states that
require that you can't hunt on Sundays, when meanwhile, if
you work nine to five Monday through Friday and you
are working doing the honeydew list on Saturday, the only
(23:57):
day that you have available to hunt is sun Why
do you think that they're doing that to us, Tutor.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Well, and why would they? This is the thing that
drives me crazy is that nobody's standing up and saying
why are you doing this? Because it has made well,
I can speak for the state of Michigan, as you
just mentioned the one hundred thousand accidents. It has made
the roads unsafe. You have a real problem with overpopulation.
You have a situation where people could be eating and
(24:25):
they're not. You're you're slaughtering these animals and you're not
doing anything with the meat. I mean, you know that
if you also it's an industry. I mean in the
state of Michigan, this could be a billion or multi
billion dollar industry that we're not taking advantage of because
we are trying to kill the industry altogether.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
That so the logic behind it.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
From the standpoint of running a government and running a state,
it makes no sense. So there has to be a
nefarious agenda here, because I mean, you talked about hitting
that deer. I will tell you about ten years ago
we had friends whose family was in an accident with
a deer. The deer went through the windshield and the
passenger lost their life. I mean, it's not just that
(25:08):
it causes damage. It's outrageous damage. It's outrageous cost to
people who live here in any other state that does this.
But yeah, it's also a potential loss of life or
injury that harms you for life. Oh why would you
do this outside of some nefarious agenda.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Wholeheartedly agree, I think that, unfortunately, there is a leftist
agenda when it comes to a lot of the white
tail deer management programs around and hunting licensing. Why would
they want to increase the cost of a license when
you know you can get so many wonderful memorable times
(25:47):
with your family around a campfire. It's not just about
the hunt. If we as hunters really just wanted to
kill stuff, I've always said this, Ted would go buy
a building, put a bunch of animals in there, and
blow it out. That's not what it's about. It's about
being outdoors and connecting with God's precious design and white
(26:09):
tailed deer, our precious renewable resource that God has given us.
In the Bible, God says to Noah, take that quiver
and I bow and get me some venison. Okay, you know,
here we are. But they want to stop that agenda.
It's a liberal agenda. It's a leftist agenda. And unfortunately,
(26:29):
like our federal government, we've allowed this leftist agenda to
infiltrate our own statewide governments and take control of the
Michigan dn R, Texas Parks and wildlife and so many
others to hire. You're going to pay? How does this
make sense? You're going to pay a sharpshooter tax dout
(26:49):
you and I pay for rather than letting a dad
take his young son to experience the spirit of the
wild outdoors where he's not doing this, he's shutting that down,
all the chaos and anxiety, and they get to spend
family time together and they'll remember that forever. So there
(27:13):
is an incredible nefarious agenda that has got to be stopped.
I think TED should be a part of the Michigan
dn R and I think he's got some meetings with
them coming up soon. But the more that people like you, Tutors,
speak out and share your wisdom and your guidance about this,
the more people will understand. Unfortunately, fifty percent of Hunters
(27:37):
do not vote. Fifty percent of Christians do not vote.
So now with Hunter Nation, this organization that we are
involved with, and along with Don Trump Junior, we are
getting the word out. We are getting people to stop
being apathetic, sitting back and going, Eh, my vote doesn't matter.
Anyway it does.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
And I think that's the change that we've seen, even
in people's willingness to talk about being hunters.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
And you guys have.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Done so much to get rid of the shame that
they were trying to put on this group of people
who are doing really, like you said, it's God's work.
I mean, we were meant we were put on this
earth together with animals and told to do this. So
it's not like you're doing something that you're not supposed
to be doing. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll
continue next on a Tutor Dixon podcast. I just want
(28:29):
to say that Ted does these hunts that you're talking
about and he has brought people together and gone on
hunts with other people and had people that he doesn't
know join him on hunts. And I know this for
a fact because my husband's uncle was one of them,
just such a such a huge fan of his and
he and they had a friend who had cancer and
(28:49):
was dying, and that was his dying wish, and they
went out. And I just want you to know that
what you guys have done have touched, has touched so
many families. And that's why Ted fighting here in Michigan
and talking to the DNR and helping to make sure
this is always available to families is so valuable. And
(29:10):
we appreciate everything that you guys do more than you
will ever know, honestly. But I think I speak on
behalf of so many people and so many families and
so many fathers and mothers. I mean, the girls came
home from school the other day and they're like, Mom,
do you know how many families hunt like my age,
my friends, they are big hunters.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
And I'm like, yeah, this is a big part of
people's lives.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And they just thought that was so incredible that families
take their kids out that are eleven and nine and
eight years old and they get to be out there
involved in this pastime that their parents are taking them
out into the wild and taking them out for days
at a time into the wilderness. It's just incredible. And
(29:55):
I think it is you talk about that. I think
in the book too, that time spent outdoors and how
valuable that can be. And we have faith into that.
So tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I do think that my husband will always say that,
you know, he doesn't go to church, he goes to
commune with God in nature, and I think a lot
of people are like that as well. And you know,
this is a blessing to be in charge to steward
the land and hunters are conservationists at heart. We spend
(30:27):
so much on helping the wildlife, feeding the wildlife, managing
the wildlife, and our tax dollars go to, especially as
buying licenses, we go to preserving the land so the
wildlife will thrive. And a lot of people don't understand
that and realize that, and thank you for sharing that story.
It really is meaningful to us. And you know, if
(30:49):
Ted has a day off, he'll spend it. He'll make
phone calls to people who unfortunately are losing their lives
for cancer problems or whatever for whatever reason. And it's
very moving to us as well. And I think that's
why God put us on this earth to help each other.
(31:10):
And you know what was I'll never forget. We had
a hunt with a not a hunt, but there was
a young man. It's five years old, young man, young
young boy, five years old old named Macon Lynn, and
his dying wish he had terminal cancer. His dying wish
was to come to our ranch and spend the day
with us. And doesn't that tutor like a bad hair
(31:32):
day or you know, little things just don't mean anything anymore.
That's what this is all about. And if we can
help each other and recognize that hunting is number one
ethical and proper and good for us, healthy for us,
healthy for wildlife habitat, and healthy for wildlife, why are
(31:56):
they they meaning the government, why are they so against it?
And it's incredible to me, but I am so grateful
that we have this opportunity to share this hunting lifestyle
with so many other people, and you know, just hang
out with people by a campfire. It really does make
(32:18):
life worthwhile.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Well, I think too often people who are making the
decisions in government, are not people who have experienced what
they're making the decision on. I mean, I oftentimes see
people making decisions on small businesses or manufacturers or farming
or this or hunting, and they've never had any experience
with it themselves. That's why it is so important. I mean,
(32:41):
I think that's why people look at what Donald Trump
has done and they say, what an amazing situation we
have here. And granted and I mean some people are
not looking at that, but I think they will see that.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
That's why I have faith that they will see that.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
He has brought people together that have experience in all
of these different areas, and they're not necessarily ideologically alike.
It's not necessarily all Republicans. It's people who believe in
what their specific mission is, and he believes in there
in how they look at that mission, whether it is
a Pete Hegseth or an RFK or a Tulsia Gabbard.
(33:17):
He's bringing people from all different backgrounds who aren't necessarily
the historical I've been in government my whole life, Like
you said, I'm we're the government, We're here to help. No,
it's people from outside of the government, which I think
is how it was meant.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
To be right.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yes, and you know, unfortunately, what the left has done
to so many people, especially President Trump, it has prevented
good people like you from getting into politics and pursuing
that because there are so many great people that don't
have a political background, and God bless them, we've got it.
We've got to start small. We've got to start in
(33:51):
our communities, our cities or states or counties and elect
people who aren't career politicians, who are a businessmen who'll
get no why would I want to spend Why would
I want to double my hunting license money so that
the government could go in and hire sharpshooters Like this
just doesn't It doesn't make sense at all.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
So funny thing is you can get so much more
out of that industry by making the industry bigger. I mean,
you could bring in so much more revenue from taxes
than from licenses, you know, like if you brought more
visitors into the state and you had more sales tax
Think about how much you could expand your revenue by
expanding that industry rather than shutting it down.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
It makes no sense to me.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
It doesn't make any sense, and unfortunately a lot of people,
like we said, have been apathetic and they've not wanted
to make waves with other people with businesses. I remember
I was banned on Twitter for a pro Trump tweet,
and I did happen to talk about I've been outspoken
about the C nineteen jab and other things because I
(35:01):
know I'm a label reader. I read the ingredients in
that and I'm like, no, I don't want to put
it in my body. I want to get vitamin D
from the sun. I want to eat an apple a day,
natural things that will help heal my body and make
me healthy. Meanwhile, the USDA is flipping the script and
they want to make fruit loops and cheerios as healthy
(35:24):
or healthier than eating a steak. We're onto you. We're
onto you, and we are coming. We were coming for
you in a way that we will not back down.
We are mama bears. We want to protect ourselves and
our kids. We want to just be healthy. Would you
leave us alone? Please? No?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
But I think about how tricked we have been and
how much people like you speaking out and your book
will change this country.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Because I think about when when I was.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
A kid, we were told to eat eggs. If you
eat eggs, you're going to have a heart attack. I mean,
imagine the fact that we were told not to eat eggs,
to have butter or margarine instead of butter. To you know,
you were supposed to eat all of these fat free items.
Everything had to be fat free, and we were just
pounding calories and chemicals. I mean, really, what we were
eating was made of calories and chemicals. Remember those pattata
(36:18):
you probably are well, you're I remember this. Remember those
potato chips that were o ling. Everybody got sick.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yes, And you know, if you look at like fat
free twinkies, come on, man, maybe having a diet coke
and a fat free twinkie. Again. We've been misled. We've
been gaslight into believing and trusting the government. I'm from
the government, and I'm here to help. Look at the
food pyramid. You need to eat now a lot of grains, No,
(36:46):
you don't. You need to fill your body with good,
clean protein. Get rid of the chemicals. I can sum
up my book in just a couple of sentences by
become a label reader. Get rid of sugar, white sugar,
white flower again, if it's in a box on a
shelf for months or even years. Don't eat it. Fuel
your body with God food, not man made food. Get exercise,
(37:09):
move around. And the other reason about my book that
I brought God into it. I'm doing something that I
don't think many other people are doing. The publisher asked me,
you know what's different about your book when there are
diet and exercise books that are galore out there. Well,
I do think there's another element that nobody's talking about,
(37:30):
which is spiritual warfare. The devil comes to kill, steal,
and destroy, right, how better to do that than to
put those negative thoughts in your mind and to get
you unhealthy. That's a spiritual tax. So I have a
whole chapter devoted to spiritual warfare. He doesn't want us
to be healthy, and I think there's a strategy to
(37:52):
go about doing it. We've got to just like we
have spiritual warfare practices with six back Satan you don't
belong here and praying over us. We cannot be apathetic anymore.
We've got to be in the offense. And I think
that's really a powerful move, especially on behalf of women.
(38:13):
But we need to be empowered. We have to realize
that God wants us to be healthy and we're sick
and tired of being sick and tired.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
No, I think that's so fascinating.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Just a few weeks ago, our pastor was talking about
spiritual warfare and how in other countries they talk about
it regularly, they talk about people having demons and all
of this stuff, and he said, it's the United States
is one of the only places where we don't talk
about it because we have to have science describe everything.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
No, no, no, we know this, we know that.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
And he said, but there is spiritual warfare and it
is in every area of our lives, and we do
have to be aware of it.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
And I agree with you. I think that there.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I look at the unhealthy children that I see around us,
and I think, how did this happen?
Speaker 3 (39:02):
And how did this come to be?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
And I do think that there's even an obsession with foods,
and I mean, look, we have whole industries built around
trying to get you addicted to food, right, Yes, so
it is the problem, and none of it is healthy.
It's not like the salary people are out there every
day like eat celery.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
That's not the people out there.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
So I mean, I appreciate what you're saying, and I
love the fact that I love. Like I said, I
think this book is for so many people, and I
think it's a perfect time where at the beginning of
the year read this book because we all want to
start new. I mean, everybody wants to start fresh in January,
but I think that we all want to start new
(39:43):
in general. We've had this election, We've seen Donald Trump
with this overwhelming mandate from the people. Part of that
was the Make America Healthy Again movement.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
So this is the.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Time start new, get abundantly well. Make sure you go
out and get the book. Tell us where you can
get at it and how people can start on their journey.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
It's available on Amazon and there are simple practical tips
that you can use take with you. I want to
be your cheerleader, I want to be your coach. I
want to help you get healthy now. And it's about
the little steps that really make a big difference.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
And like I said at the beginning, when I introduce Shamaine,
this is someone who lives this. I mean you see
it when you are with her, you feel it, You
feel this energy, and that's part of the book.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
It's increasing your energy. It's a vibrant health. What I mean, Shamane,
you are this book, this is who you are.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
And so so that's why sometimes I see people wrote
a book and I'm like, I mean, okay, this is
this They're really their subject.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
This is your subject.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
I mean when I'm around you, I'm like, this is
life goals. I want to be you. And so I'm
not kidding you. Or You're such an amazing person. You
have such a light around you. So I just want
to say thank you for coming on and for everybody
out there, this is I mean, this is a lot
of people listen to the podcast. If you're watching the podcast,
no one would believe that you are in your sixties
(41:07):
because you just look amazing. But it's all natural. So
thank you so much for sharing this with us. And
thanks for coming on today.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Oh Tudor, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
God bless you absolutely And I don't know how you
keep up with Ted, So I think that alone is
part of it.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I got to be I gotta be super healthy. Yeah, health,
we both do. We have a lot of work to do.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
We thank you you too, Yes, like getting.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Our government back on track, and so I thank you
for the work that you have done in that area,
and I hope that we can work together soon.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Absolutely, I look forward to it.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Thank you so much, thanks for being on today, absolutely,
and thank you all for joining us on the Tutor
Dixon Podcast for this episode and others. You can go
to Tutor Dixon podcast dot com or the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and join
us next time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Have a blessed day.
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