May 6, 2024 • 32 mins
In this episode, Tudor interviews Adam Coleman, the founder of WrongSpeak.org and author of the book 'Black Victim to Black Victor.' They discuss the current state of polarization and propaganda in society, particularly within college campuses. They also explore the role of the media in shaping narratives and manipulating public opinion. The conversation then shifts to the topic of black victimhood and how it hinders personal growth and empowerment. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey there, Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I am
excited to have Adam Coleman back with me today. He
has a new book out. We've spoken with Adam before,
and I think he has a very interesting perspective in
the world today as a former Democrat who is now
speaking honestly and openly about how the politicized media lied
to him for many years and kept him from truly
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understanding the conservative point of view. I think it's very
interesting for us to bring him in. He is the
founder of Wrong Speak Publishing and the author of the
book Black Victim to Black Victor. Adam, thank you for joining.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Me, Thank you for having me back on.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I appreciate it absolutely so. I mean, I think that
since we last talked, a lot has changed in the world,
and we're seeing some very strange things happening. And I
would say, out of both political parties right now, I
think everybody is sort of reacting strangely to what's going
on across the world. And I would say in some cases,
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I think Republicans are trying to create extra government to
somehow counteract what's happening, and Democrats are sort of silent
on everything that's going on, so I kind of wanted
to get your opinion on what you think is going
on right now in the world before we kind of
dive into how you actually came to this fact that
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the media was manipulating you.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Sure, if I was to summarize what's happening right now,
I think a lot of it is extreme polarization mixed
in with propaganda. I haven't really talked about this publicly,
but much of the different scenes around the college campuses,
and while everybody on the superficial levels talking about the
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Marxist movement, you know, these college kids are being in
doctrinary in schools. These are things we all understand, but
there the counter movement in many ways is part of
the show. And a lot of this seems like not
I don't want to say it's orchestrated, but it reminds
me of when people describe the Civil War in the
United States, how in one particular area there's just mayhem,
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be chaos and blood being shed, but yet on other
parts of the town it was like nothing was going on.
And that's what it feels like. It's almost like a
manufactured battleground that's happening across the country where not just
the people, not just the kids in these colleges, but
you have outsiders who are coming in to join the fight,
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whether it's for Palestine or against Palistine, for Israel against
his Ra or whatever it might be. But you have
all these different factions that are finding these colleges as
like a battleground. And I'm wondering, is this just because
this is what we want or is this something that
we're being pushed into being part of.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Do you see the media having a role in this?
I mean, you've talked about how the media impacted you
throughout life. Do you see the media impacting this narrative
right now?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Absolutely? And not just mainstream media, and usually when we
say mainstream mean left wing media, but right wing media
as well. There's this need to get involved, you must
say something, you must get out there, you have to
join the fight. They use these almost militarized terms to
get normal people part of the chaos. And at the
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end of the day, I'm a very analytical type person,
and I think to myself, does doing this produce the
outcome that we're looking for? What does screaming at some
college student who's holding up a sign that you just
agree with change nothing. It doesn't really change anything.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
But I okay, so let me argue this. Do you
think that today is about change in making things better?
Or is today about ratings? And whereas it used to
just be ratings for those big networks, now it's a
different type of rating because everyone is a citizen journalist
and they want to be on Twitter and they want
to have all the and they want to have all
the shares, and they want to just get bigger and
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bigger and bigger, and every situation like this is now
blown out of proportion because there are people who want
to become famous because of the situation.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
And that's exactly the point. So being that I'm thinking
analytically that screaming and some college students' face doesn't change anything,
then there's only one other reason. It's to make yourself
feel better or to gain some sort of attention. And
I think there are citizen journalists who like this for
the idea of they can take some videos of some
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wild and crazy person saying something wild and crazy, and
then they can share it and get a bunch of attention.
Like we're in an attention economy. And I don't think
there's anything wrong with acknowledging this. And it's not just
one party that's doing a one political spectrum that's doing it.
Everyone's part of it. Right, there is no civil war
if there aren't two factions who are part of it.
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You know they're This entire thing to me just feels
very much so manufactured. If Columbia students want to sit
on their lawn and complain to the administration, then let
them sit on the lawn and complain to the administration.
It doesn't require me getting up out of my house
and going to Columbia and complaining that they're taking over
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their own lawn. I don't care. What does it matter?
And it's not to say, like I for the people
who are standing wanted to stand up for Israel and
things of that nature. I get it. You can strongly
disagree with their stances and what they're doing. But at
the end of the day, is them sitting on the
lawn changing anything in your life? No, Is them putting
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up an encampment changing anything in your life.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
No.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
If anything, they're destroying the very environment that indoctrinated them.
So let them destroy it. And I don't understand this
need to want to go in there and have them
do otherwise when this entire like for the past two
three years, maybe four years, we've heard nothing from the
political right other than saying, let them die as far
as the institutions, let them die. And here they are
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killing it and you want to get in their way.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Interesting. I mean, I guess to a certain extent, I
get what you're saying. I think that there's also I
mean a lot of people, these are their alma maters.
This is like a part of their history, a part
of their culture, a part of American culture, and they're saying, wow,
this radical ideology of you know, it goes beyond just
a protest when you're saying we won't let Jewish kids
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on campus, we want to kill Jews, and then that
becomes that spreads and these people kind of become, I mean,
they become indoctrinated in this next level rhetoric that is
now now you're talking about saying things that are not
protected by the First Amendment. And I think that's been
kind of funny to watch how we've had these people
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who have come out and they've been like, oh, America
is so free, and I think to a certain extent
and so spoiled that They're like, I can say whatever
I want if I think that I should. You know,
we have the What was she like the girl who
went to the county commission meeting or whatever it was
in California who then was arrested because she said she
was going to actually murder people in their homes, And
she's like, what do you mean this is not a
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protected speech? Well, wait a minute, wait a minute. When
did we get to the point where our students, and
especially I think that might be what it is. I
think it's such a shock to Americans right now to
look at this and go, we have students at some
of our most revered universities who don't understand that these
statements cross the line.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Well, that's the use of word revered. And that's the thing.
The reason why these Marxists get to continue to use
these institutions the way that they are using it is
because they've been revered. The reality is that in many ways,
Harvard Columbia, all these Ivy League institutions are skin suits
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of what they used to be. They're not the same.
And that's the problem. We're not letting it fail. We
should let it fail. I'm a believer in and I
say this personally. There's many times I failed in my life,
but I've recovered from it because I failed. There's so
much you can learn from failure. And I think this
is probably a time we should let these institutions fail,
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to let them see where they've gone wrong. And by
wanting to go in there and try to rescue them
or try to show them their errors in their ways, no,
let them fail. I'm like, I'm a strong believer in that,
whether it be a politician, whether it be an institution,
whether it be just a Joe Schmo down the street,
sometimes failure is the greatest lesson of them all. And
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I think we're not understanding that failure might be necessary
for this. You know, if we're experiencing a revolution or
a counter or yeah, I would say maybe some sort
of cultural revolution, then these institutions are culpable for it happening.
So why are we going in there trying to rescue
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something that has been dying And it's probably been dead
for quite some time. And it's just these people are
wearing Columbia as a skin suit on their diplomas, right,
So I say let them die, let them die off,
and let them be reborn into what they're supposed to be.
But it's the choice is up to Columbia, the choice
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is up to Harvard. The choice is up to these institutions.
Right if they want to let these kids take over
their campus, then this is the moment they can look
at themselves and say, maybe we've gone too far.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Well, it's interesting as we're talking about this, because your
book is from Going from a Victim to a Victor,
and I think that as you look at these universities,
you see a lot of these kids that have come
out and they even though this is a situation that
doesn't directly affect them, they believe that they are victims.
And you've seen this throughout your life for Black Americans specifically,
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that you believe that they're constantly lied to about the
source of their community's issues and that people are profiting
off of that pain, but then leaving Black Americans in
a community that's not thriving. So let's get into that
a little bit, because I think this is something that
people across the country in the political world are like, well,
how do we talk to black communities specifically? And I
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will say that when I was campaigning, we didn't go
into Flint Michigan, and the reason was strategic because of
resources and because we knew that that community was going
to vote Democrat and we weren't going to have enough
time to spend in there to be able to say, hey,
we can we want to do this for you, we
want to do that for you. And afterward the Mare
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came up to me and he was like, why didn't
you come to Flint? And you know, I thought, I
just don't think that anyone there would believe me. But
I do think that there is a question of how
do we how do we what do What do black
Americans believe from the press that you've been talking about,
and what do they actually need from politicians?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Sure? What do they believe from the press? Think of
it like anything else. If there is someone that you're
only remotely familiar with, you have no personal interaction with,
you have no personal experience with, and someone tells you
a falsehood about them, I mean, do you have a
counterbalance to that statement? And then two people tell you
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false statements And it's like, oh, man, I heard that
from somebody else, so that must be true because I
have no idea. I've never met these people, and quite literally,
I've talked to politicians who have gone into these areas,
and they say all the time that people tell them
it's the first time I've talked to a Republican. They've
never met a Republican. God forbid, they've met a Republican
that's actually trying to get their vote. And so when
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the question becomes how do we get black Americans, it's
how you get any other American one. You have to
go to where they live. And I think, and this
is not reformation on you, because I understand. I understand
the perspective of you have limited resources, you have donors
who give you certain amount of money. You want to
use that money in the most efficient way possible. And
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I think it's sometimes unfair to put someone like yourself
who's running for a state election to go in there
and try to do a herculean effort in an area
that no one has tried in before. Right, So I
can understand it's.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Also very disingenuous if you suddenly you're like, oh, now
I'll walk in and you know, and I think that's
what people have said. Also, Gosh, I have politicians come
around every two years or every four years, and suddenly
they care and then they walk away, And I think
that from my perspective. You know, obviously when you're in
the middle of a campaign, you're also taking advice from
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your consultants, and people are saying, Okay, this is the
strategy of how we could get enough people to win
this state. But the question that I have for you
really is what are we missing? What is the discussion
and what is the need the need from those communities
from government that we don't understand.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Well, that's actually the point I was really going to
make is that I don't think that there is one
general This is what the black community wants, I think
very much. So it is something that crosses racial lines.
We all care about our economics, we all care about
our safety, right, and maybe there are certain black areas
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that are less safe than others, and these are also
the areas that want more policing.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
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I'll just pick on Democrats who are head for years
said defund the police. And obviously they're putting They're not
putting my neighborhood in danger, They're putting a different neighborhood
in danger. And so you see that that narrative has
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come out of that side. But then this new in
the last few years where it's like let criminals out,
let people steal, let businesses be destroyed. These in communities
like Minneapolis where they just allowed people to go riot.
These were black owned businesses that got destroyed. And so
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I I and then and still do today in these
communities where it's like you can steal up to nine
hundred dollars and there is no you get no backlash
from there's punishment for that. Why is there Why is
there a lack of understanding that the people who are
allowing this are not helping you.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Well, I think there is an understanding. I think that
there's an increasingly understanding point to that. The I think
what happens when we have these political discussions, we only
see it in the binary. Either you're voting a Republican
or you're voting Democrat. But there's a third choice and
it's not libertarians. I'm sorry libertarians. The third choice. The
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third choice is you don't vote. There's voter apathy, and
voter apathy is a real thing. And when I try
to point out to people, because the automatic discussion is, oh,
all these black people live in Chicago, love them some Democrats,
And I'm like, have you looked at just in the
city alone, the percentage of registered voters, not citizens, of
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registered voters that actually go out and vote, and it's
incredibly low. And that's because people are like, what's the
point in voting? We have one part and that's it,
And they all it's basically a matter of do I
want a blue dog Democrat that barely cares or do
I want a communist? You know, and what's happening these
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days is that the blue dog Democrats are catering to
the communists. So it's like, well, what's the point why
even go out there and vote? And when there's only
one party option, that's it. So either you vote for
them or you stay home and what that gets translated into.
We see these eighty eighty five percent Black Americans are
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voting for the Democrat Party. Is there obvious propaganda that's
going on. Are there cultural aspects that are happening, Yeah, obviously,
But that's not the entire story. The entire story is
that they don't know Republicans and Republicans aren't fighting for
their vote. And this is not new. So when we
look at cities like Chicago, they haven't had a Republican
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mayra since the early nineteen hundreds. New Orleans hasn't had
a Republican mayra since the late eighteen hundreds. So this
is something that has been going on for a century.
In many of these places, this is a commonplace and
it becomes cultural, it becomes a norm. And honestly, you
could say the same thing for rural voters who live
in these various places. Democrats aren't trying to fight for
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the rural vote. I mean, that's what it is. They
have one party to vote for or they stay home too.
So we have a very fractured country when it comes
to voting patterns and politicians who are trying to get
everyone's vote from both parties.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
What do you think that it means when I mean,
explain to me what it means when you talk about
being a black victim.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Being a black victim means that because I see it
as a relationship. When you have a victim, you have
a savior. And when you're a victim, it becomes no
longer your responsibility for your problems. It's no longer your
fault as to your circumstance. And listen, sometimes you're born
into a circumstance and that's what it is. But there
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are many things that happen in life that you have
control over. But when you relegate your control onto someone
else as to being someone else's fault, then that's the
victim mentality. You don't believe that you can overcome those obstacles.
And then on the other side, there's a savior, right
the savior says, you know what it is my fault
and I will save you. I will do these things
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for you. And they'll give you lip service, but at
the end of the day, it's self serving for them,
and often they're not going to help you. And what's
very interesting if you add in, like the Marxist dialogue,
you have the oppressed versus the oppressor, and the way
they actually talk about it is the oppressed. The oppressed
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who've been oppressed by these oppressors are supposed to wait
for the oppressors to change their mind and start doing
for the oppressed. It's a very weird dynamic that you
would expect someone who, if I was to take their narrative,
someone who hurt you is going to turn around and
help you at the same time. But yeah, I would
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say victim mentality. When I talk about black victim and
black victor part of it. I'm talking about myself on
a personal level. I'm talking about culturally. But you can
replace black and put anything in there. And I see
victim ideology all over the place. I see victim ideology
and politics. You know, it's everywhere.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And that's what I was going to say. Man, if
we look today, it's like, what is what is my victimhood?
You have to hold up your badge of these are
the categories that I fit within. So I don't think
that it is it belongs to one race at this time.
I think it's become kind of a way of life,
and it's never it never used to be the way
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of life in the United States. Everybody was kind of
like the American dream and I can do anything. And
now it's it's really changed, and I think it's been
very harmful to society. But when you look at coming
out of that your own personal story, I mean, how
do we draw the country out of this woe is
me situation? And like I said, I would go beyond
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just the black race. I would say as a society.
I mean, whether you are a college student, or you
are identifying as something or you know, there's always some
victimhood there. How did you get out of that? How
do you convince people to see the light.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Well, one of the ways I got out of it
was failing. Victim ideology leads to.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Failure and no one rescuing you exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
But I mean, I think.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Parents need to hear that because too often parents are
pulling people out of these situations like, Oh, don't worry,
you didn't really fail. But if you don't fail, you
can never achieve exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
You know. Even with my son. It's funny because my
favorite thing to tell my wife when something's going on,
She's like, oh no, but what I'm like, It'll be fine.
That's my favorite response to something that's happened with my son,
he'll be fine and because he will let him go
with through whatever is going on. It sucks, but he'll
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be fine and you'll learn something from it, and he has,
because that's how we learn things in life. And when
someone's steam rolls all your troubles, you don't learn anything.
So yeah, in treating them like a victim, telling them
that it's not your fault, yeah, it probably is their fault.
It probably is their fault. And honestly, one of the
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ways that I stay from victim ideology is I am
very critical of myself and I always ask, no matter
what the circumstance is, how could I have done better
in the circumstance. It could have been something where let's
say I got fired from a job and I said,
you know, it's because my boss didn't like me. Or
I could have said, you know what, I could have
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done better at X, Y and Z, so next time
I'll do better and I won't get fired. That's how
I approach it. It's not my boss's fault, it's my fault.
Right even so, it's not me taking ownership of someone
else's stuff, but it's acknowledging that I have weaknesses, and
we all have weaknesses, and that's how you actually get
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better and grow. You have to reflect on who you
are as a person. But the problem is that we
tell people there's nothing wrong with you, everything is fine,
and it's them who won't accept you. They, you know,
just bring yourself to the workplace, you know, and it's like, no,
you need to take a look at yourself and notice
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the errors where you're weak.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. I literally sat in a like
a chamber of commerce meeting, a local one, and they
had college students in there and they had you know,
they are all these businesses and we're in Michigan, so
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there were many manufacturing businesses. And the people who are
leading the meeting said to the college students, you know,
what do you think is important for these businesses to
understand about you? And they said, you need to understand
if you want people to come and work at your companies,
you can't be strict about times. We need to be
able to sleep in. We want to get up when
we want. There are going to be times when we
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don't want to have to come into the office and
the room of college students and professors that were there
and the people that were the administrators at the chamber.
They roared with clapping and hooting and hollering and stood
and I looked around the room and these employers were like,
oh gosh. And that to me was really a turning
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point for our community, where I see employers who were like, yeah,
if we have a first shift and we're making cars
for parts for cars, it does it. You can't come
in late, like, you can't decide to come in whenever
you come in. That's just not real life. But I
do think that we are in in a society that
has been your special It's up to you. You make
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your own future, you make your own day, and there's
no reality that you don't. You do not make the
rules at the company. And that was one of the
things that the students said, and then the chamber reiterated.
They were like, you have to understand if you want employees,
this is now an employees market, and you have to
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like essentially bow to them, bend the need to the
employees to say whatever you want. How did we get here.
There's no other country that's doing this.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
We got here through bad parenting and a lot of
people don't like hearing that, but it's true. Actually, I
just wrote a piece a few weeks ago for the
New York Post about a survey that came out for
Red Balloon, and they talked to I believe is eighty
thousand small businesses to ask them about gen Z and
give them some sort of grade, and all the categories
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they failed, and the biggest thing that they came back
with was saying that they're entitled. And they gave some
they you know, they allowed them to put some reasons
or some scenarios, and you know, they think they can
do whatever they want. They think that they can just
come in late and get a raise just cause like
it's high levels of entitlement. And the what ends up
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happening is like the quick reaction is like, oh, look
at gen Z, but someone raised them. You're not born entitled.
Someone raised you to be that way. And so I
say this as a parent who has a gen Z
child who is not like this. You know, there are
plenty of times I could have told my son sure,
and I said no, and he accepted it because that's
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how I raised him. I raised him not to get everything.
Because sometimes life disappoints you, and he has to prepare
himself for that. But when you steamroll everything for your
children and then they get in the workforce and then
you shrug your shoulders, I don't understand what's wrong with
this generation. We just gave him trophies for being involved.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well, no, it's not it. And it goes beyond that.
When I was in manufacturing and we made castings and
then we had the machine, so we would go to
machine shops and so like the foundry, I will admit
is a dirty environment in Stark and you know, it's
very hard work. The machine shops were super clean. I
mean in some of these machine shops you could eat
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off the floor right and there they can schedule the
work through their cell phone. And it's not It is
good work. It pays really well and it's not like
you for the most part, it's not backbreaking. You're moving things.
If you're moving them, you have a lift and all
of that. And these guys were like, we can't get
people to work. And he said, last week, I had
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a kid who is twenty one years old, and I
didn't his machine was broken down. So I had him
on cleaning duty and his mother called and said, how
could you be so disrespectful to my son? He's not
a janitor, he is a respected worker. You should treat
him with respect. His mum, I think about the irony
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of that he's respected. You need to treat him well.
His mother is calling his work and saying, treat him well.
They said, we regularly have parents call in to tell
us that the person is going to be sick and
can't come to work. At what point, when as an adult,
did you ever have your parent call in sick for
you at work? I mean, it was unheard of when
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we were young. But what did we do? I mean,
I admit I think it's something in our generation of parenting.
And how do we stop it?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Well, that's the thing. How do we stop it? I
don't know if you can, And we might have to
let our generation fail and go back to that theme.
You might have to let them fail. But what you
don't do is to use a doctor phyllism. You don't
reward bad behavior, right, you don't say, you know what?
It's the third kid who has his mom calling and
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calling sick because he's not feeling well, or because he's
been out drinking too much and he has a little
bit of a hangover. He said, no, we're just going
to be short staffed until we find the right people,
and then they will learn, because otherwise they're going to
be unemployed and then they're going to be forced to
look at themselves and only mommy can do so much.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Right, It's true, I mean, and it goes back to
like that whole saying of like hard times make strong men,
strong men, make good times. Good times make weak men.
You know. It's like I'm seeing that happen right now,
and I look at these young people today and I mean,
and I'm guilty of it too. I'll say to my
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kids like I would never have said that to my mother,
And I'm like, how how is this happening in my
own house? And I think there are a lot of
outside influences as well, and I think as parents we
have to be very very strict about what the outside
influences can be. And it goes beyond social media. People
don't always talk about these television programs that kids are watching,
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and if you look at the Nickelodeons and the Disney's,
they're very disrespectful to adults. They don't have any responsibility.
And oftentimes these kids somehow live alone. It's like they
live with just an older brother. How is this the case?
And they have like adult lives, but their children and
because they have these adult lives, kids think, well, I
can do that too, and it's not reality. So I
(30:18):
do think that, I mean, you're just making me think
about all of this, and probably I am feeling guilty
as a parent, like, oh shoot, what am I doing
to screw up my own kids? But I do think
that we need to have these open conversations before we
go though. I want you to talk about your books.
So tell us about your book and tell people where
they can get it.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah. So I basically have a second edition to the
first one. Admittingly, when I wrote the first one, I
didn't really have a whole lot of expectations of people
reading it. You know, I was just an it guy
who just wants to express himself. I edited it along
with my wife, and I would have been happy if
ten people bought the book, and including my friends and family,
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and you know, I sold thousand copies of the book,
and I wanted to have an opportunity to re edit
it along with doctor Tanya Hitler, who helped me in
that process. So this book can be used in different institutions.
It can be used in schools and not have to
see like these different errors that are in there. So
if you have the first book, it's much of the same.
(31:19):
This is just a more revised version, cover new interior.
But I just wanted to re release it in a
way where this is it. This is the final touch
is it's a little bit more cleaned up and be
seen in a more professional light.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Well, we appreciate you coming on and talking about it.
It is black victim to black victor. We enjoy having
you on. I always love your perspective, and I think
it's good for us to talk about all of these
things because, like I said, it makes me even think, Okay,
what do I have to change? And it's a good
reminder to constantly be aware of your surroundings and aware
of what you're saying with your kids, and aware of
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what you're saying with community members. Thank you so much,
Adam Coleman, thanks for being on my pleasure. Thank you absolutely,
and thank you all for joining us on the Tutor
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a blessing.
Hey there, Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I am
excited to have Adam Coleman back with me today. He
has a new book out. We've spoken with Adam before,
and I think he has a very interesting perspective in
the world today as a former Democrat who is now
speaking honestly and openly about how the politicized media lied
to him for many years and kept him from truly
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understanding the conservative point of view. I think it's very
interesting for us to bring him in. He is the
founder of Wrong Speak Publishing and the author of the
book Black Victim to Black Victor. Adam, thank you for joining.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Me, Thank you for having me back on.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I appreciate it absolutely so. I mean, I think that
since we last talked, a lot has changed in the world,
and we're seeing some very strange things happening. And I
would say, out of both political parties right now, I
think everybody is sort of reacting strangely to what's going
on across the world. And I would say in some cases,
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I think Republicans are trying to create extra government to
somehow counteract what's happening, and Democrats are sort of silent
on everything that's going on, so I kind of wanted
to get your opinion on what you think is going
on right now in the world before we kind of
dive into how you actually came to this fact that
(01:21):
the media was manipulating you.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Sure, if I was to summarize what's happening right now,
I think a lot of it is extreme polarization mixed
in with propaganda. I haven't really talked about this publicly,
but much of the different scenes around the college campuses,
and while everybody on the superficial levels talking about the
(01:45):
Marxist movement, you know, these college kids are being in
doctrinary in schools. These are things we all understand, but
there the counter movement in many ways is part of
the show. And a lot of this seems like not
I don't want to say it's orchestrated, but it reminds
me of when people describe the Civil War in the
United States, how in one particular area there's just mayhem,
(02:10):
be chaos and blood being shed, but yet on other
parts of the town it was like nothing was going on.
And that's what it feels like. It's almost like a
manufactured battleground that's happening across the country where not just
the people, not just the kids in these colleges, but
you have outsiders who are coming in to join the fight,
(02:30):
whether it's for Palestine or against Palistine, for Israel against
his Ra or whatever it might be. But you have
all these different factions that are finding these colleges as
like a battleground. And I'm wondering, is this just because
this is what we want or is this something that
we're being pushed into being part of.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Do you see the media having a role in this?
I mean, you've talked about how the media impacted you
throughout life. Do you see the media impacting this narrative
right now?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Absolutely? And not just mainstream media, and usually when we
say mainstream mean left wing media, but right wing media
as well. There's this need to get involved, you must
say something, you must get out there, you have to
join the fight. They use these almost militarized terms to
get normal people part of the chaos. And at the
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end of the day, I'm a very analytical type person,
and I think to myself, does doing this produce the
outcome that we're looking for? What does screaming at some
college student who's holding up a sign that you just
agree with change nothing. It doesn't really change anything.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
But I okay, so let me argue this. Do you
think that today is about change in making things better?
Or is today about ratings? And whereas it used to
just be ratings for those big networks, now it's a
different type of rating because everyone is a citizen journalist
and they want to be on Twitter and they want
to have all the and they want to have all
the shares, and they want to just get bigger and
(04:03):
bigger and bigger, and every situation like this is now
blown out of proportion because there are people who want
to become famous because of the situation.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
And that's exactly the point. So being that I'm thinking
analytically that screaming and some college students' face doesn't change anything,
then there's only one other reason. It's to make yourself
feel better or to gain some sort of attention. And
I think there are citizen journalists who like this for
the idea of they can take some videos of some
(04:36):
wild and crazy person saying something wild and crazy, and
then they can share it and get a bunch of attention.
Like we're in an attention economy. And I don't think
there's anything wrong with acknowledging this. And it's not just
one party that's doing a one political spectrum that's doing it.
Everyone's part of it. Right, there is no civil war
if there aren't two factions who are part of it.
(04:57):
You know they're This entire thing to me just feels
very much so manufactured. If Columbia students want to sit
on their lawn and complain to the administration, then let
them sit on the lawn and complain to the administration.
It doesn't require me getting up out of my house
and going to Columbia and complaining that they're taking over
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their own lawn. I don't care. What does it matter?
And it's not to say, like I for the people
who are standing wanted to stand up for Israel and
things of that nature. I get it. You can strongly
disagree with their stances and what they're doing. But at
the end of the day, is them sitting on the
lawn changing anything in your life? No, Is them putting
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up an encampment changing anything in your life.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
No.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
If anything, they're destroying the very environment that indoctrinated them.
So let them destroy it. And I don't understand this
need to want to go in there and have them
do otherwise when this entire like for the past two
three years, maybe four years, we've heard nothing from the
political right other than saying, let them die as far
as the institutions, let them die. And here they are
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killing it and you want to get in their way.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Interesting. I mean, I guess to a certain extent, I
get what you're saying. I think that there's also I
mean a lot of people, these are their alma maters.
This is like a part of their history, a part
of their culture, a part of American culture, and they're saying, wow,
this radical ideology of you know, it goes beyond just
a protest when you're saying we won't let Jewish kids
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on campus, we want to kill Jews, and then that
becomes that spreads and these people kind of become, I mean,
they become indoctrinated in this next level rhetoric that is
now now you're talking about saying things that are not
protected by the First Amendment. And I think that's been
kind of funny to watch how we've had these people
(06:55):
who have come out and they've been like, oh, America
is so free, and I think to a certain extent
and so spoiled that They're like, I can say whatever
I want if I think that I should. You know,
we have the What was she like the girl who
went to the county commission meeting or whatever it was
in California who then was arrested because she said she
was going to actually murder people in their homes, And
she's like, what do you mean this is not a
(07:17):
protected speech? Well, wait a minute, wait a minute. When
did we get to the point where our students, and
especially I think that might be what it is. I
think it's such a shock to Americans right now to
look at this and go, we have students at some
of our most revered universities who don't understand that these
statements cross the line.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Well, that's the use of word revered. And that's the thing.
The reason why these Marxists get to continue to use
these institutions the way that they are using it is
because they've been revered. The reality is that in many ways,
Harvard Columbia, all these Ivy League institutions are skin suits
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of what they used to be. They're not the same.
And that's the problem. We're not letting it fail. We
should let it fail. I'm a believer in and I
say this personally. There's many times I failed in my life,
but I've recovered from it because I failed. There's so
much you can learn from failure. And I think this
is probably a time we should let these institutions fail,
(08:19):
to let them see where they've gone wrong. And by
wanting to go in there and try to rescue them
or try to show them their errors in their ways, no,
let them fail. I'm like, I'm a strong believer in that,
whether it be a politician, whether it be an institution,
whether it be just a Joe Schmo down the street,
sometimes failure is the greatest lesson of them all. And
(08:42):
I think we're not understanding that failure might be necessary
for this. You know, if we're experiencing a revolution or
a counter or yeah, I would say maybe some sort
of cultural revolution, then these institutions are culpable for it happening.
So why are we going in there trying to rescue
(09:05):
something that has been dying And it's probably been dead
for quite some time. And it's just these people are
wearing Columbia as a skin suit on their diplomas, right,
So I say let them die, let them die off,
and let them be reborn into what they're supposed to be.
But it's the choice is up to Columbia, the choice
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is up to Harvard. The choice is up to these institutions.
Right if they want to let these kids take over
their campus, then this is the moment they can look
at themselves and say, maybe we've gone too far.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Well, it's interesting as we're talking about this, because your
book is from Going from a Victim to a Victor,
and I think that as you look at these universities,
you see a lot of these kids that have come
out and they even though this is a situation that
doesn't directly affect them, they believe that they are victims.
And you've seen this throughout your life for Black Americans specifically,
(10:03):
that you believe that they're constantly lied to about the
source of their community's issues and that people are profiting
off of that pain, but then leaving Black Americans in
a community that's not thriving. So let's get into that
a little bit, because I think this is something that
people across the country in the political world are like, well,
how do we talk to black communities specifically? And I
(10:26):
will say that when I was campaigning, we didn't go
into Flint Michigan, and the reason was strategic because of
resources and because we knew that that community was going
to vote Democrat and we weren't going to have enough
time to spend in there to be able to say, hey,
we can we want to do this for you, we
want to do that for you. And afterward the Mare
(10:47):
came up to me and he was like, why didn't
you come to Flint? And you know, I thought, I
just don't think that anyone there would believe me. But
I do think that there is a question of how
do we how do we what do What do black
Americans believe from the press that you've been talking about,
and what do they actually need from politicians?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Sure? What do they believe from the press? Think of
it like anything else. If there is someone that you're
only remotely familiar with, you have no personal interaction with,
you have no personal experience with, and someone tells you
a falsehood about them, I mean, do you have a
counterbalance to that statement? And then two people tell you
(11:34):
false statements And it's like, oh, man, I heard that
from somebody else, so that must be true because I
have no idea. I've never met these people, and quite literally,
I've talked to politicians who have gone into these areas,
and they say all the time that people tell them
it's the first time I've talked to a Republican. They've
never met a Republican. God forbid, they've met a Republican
that's actually trying to get their vote. And so when
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the question becomes how do we get black Americans, it's
how you get any other American one. You have to
go to where they live. And I think, and this
is not reformation on you, because I understand. I understand
the perspective of you have limited resources, you have donors
who give you certain amount of money. You want to
use that money in the most efficient way possible. And
(12:19):
I think it's sometimes unfair to put someone like yourself
who's running for a state election to go in there
and try to do a herculean effort in an area
that no one has tried in before. Right, So I
can understand it's.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Also very disingenuous if you suddenly you're like, oh, now
I'll walk in and you know, and I think that's
what people have said. Also, Gosh, I have politicians come
around every two years or every four years, and suddenly
they care and then they walk away, And I think
that from my perspective. You know, obviously when you're in
the middle of a campaign, you're also taking advice from
(12:54):
your consultants, and people are saying, Okay, this is the
strategy of how we could get enough people to win
this state. But the question that I have for you
really is what are we missing? What is the discussion
and what is the need the need from those communities
from government that we don't understand.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Well, that's actually the point I was really going to
make is that I don't think that there is one
general This is what the black community wants, I think
very much. So it is something that crosses racial lines.
We all care about our economics, we all care about
our safety, right, and maybe there are certain black areas
(13:34):
that are less safe than others, and these are also
the areas that want more policing.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
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I'll just pick on Democrats who are head for years
said defund the police. And obviously they're putting They're not
putting my neighborhood in danger, They're putting a different neighborhood
in danger. And so you see that that narrative has
(15:28):
come out of that side. But then this new in
the last few years where it's like let criminals out,
let people steal, let businesses be destroyed. These in communities
like Minneapolis where they just allowed people to go riot.
These were black owned businesses that got destroyed. And so
(15:49):
I I and then and still do today in these
communities where it's like you can steal up to nine
hundred dollars and there is no you get no backlash
from there's punishment for that. Why is there Why is
there a lack of understanding that the people who are
allowing this are not helping you.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Well, I think there is an understanding. I think that
there's an increasingly understanding point to that. The I think
what happens when we have these political discussions, we only
see it in the binary. Either you're voting a Republican
or you're voting Democrat. But there's a third choice and
it's not libertarians. I'm sorry libertarians. The third choice. The
(16:29):
third choice is you don't vote. There's voter apathy, and
voter apathy is a real thing. And when I try
to point out to people, because the automatic discussion is, oh,
all these black people live in Chicago, love them some Democrats,
And I'm like, have you looked at just in the
city alone, the percentage of registered voters, not citizens, of
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registered voters that actually go out and vote, and it's
incredibly low. And that's because people are like, what's the
point in voting? We have one part and that's it,
And they all it's basically a matter of do I
want a blue dog Democrat that barely cares or do
I want a communist? You know, and what's happening these
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days is that the blue dog Democrats are catering to
the communists. So it's like, well, what's the point why
even go out there and vote? And when there's only
one party option, that's it. So either you vote for
them or you stay home and what that gets translated into.
We see these eighty eighty five percent Black Americans are
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voting for the Democrat Party. Is there obvious propaganda that's
going on. Are there cultural aspects that are happening, Yeah, obviously,
But that's not the entire story. The entire story is
that they don't know Republicans and Republicans aren't fighting for
their vote. And this is not new. So when we
look at cities like Chicago, they haven't had a Republican
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mayra since the early nineteen hundreds. New Orleans hasn't had
a Republican mayra since the late eighteen hundreds. So this
is something that has been going on for a century.
In many of these places, this is a commonplace and
it becomes cultural, it becomes a norm. And honestly, you
could say the same thing for rural voters who live
in these various places. Democrats aren't trying to fight for
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the rural vote. I mean, that's what it is. They
have one party to vote for or they stay home too.
So we have a very fractured country when it comes
to voting patterns and politicians who are trying to get
everyone's vote from both parties.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
What do you think that it means when I mean,
explain to me what it means when you talk about
being a black victim.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Being a black victim means that because I see it
as a relationship. When you have a victim, you have
a savior. And when you're a victim, it becomes no
longer your responsibility for your problems. It's no longer your
fault as to your circumstance. And listen, sometimes you're born
into a circumstance and that's what it is. But there
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are many things that happen in life that you have
control over. But when you relegate your control onto someone
else as to being someone else's fault, then that's the
victim mentality. You don't believe that you can overcome those obstacles.
And then on the other side, there's a savior, right
the savior says, you know what it is my fault
and I will save you. I will do these things
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for you. And they'll give you lip service, but at
the end of the day, it's self serving for them,
and often they're not going to help you. And what's
very interesting if you add in, like the Marxist dialogue,
you have the oppressed versus the oppressor, and the way
they actually talk about it is the oppressed. The oppressed
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who've been oppressed by these oppressors are supposed to wait
for the oppressors to change their mind and start doing
for the oppressed. It's a very weird dynamic that you
would expect someone who, if I was to take their narrative,
someone who hurt you is going to turn around and
help you at the same time. But yeah, I would
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say victim mentality. When I talk about black victim and
black victor part of it. I'm talking about myself on
a personal level. I'm talking about culturally. But you can
replace black and put anything in there. And I see
victim ideology all over the place. I see victim ideology
and politics. You know, it's everywhere.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And that's what I was going to say. Man, if
we look today, it's like, what is what is my victimhood?
You have to hold up your badge of these are
the categories that I fit within. So I don't think
that it is it belongs to one race at this time.
I think it's become kind of a way of life,
and it's never it never used to be the way
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of life in the United States. Everybody was kind of
like the American dream and I can do anything. And
now it's it's really changed, and I think it's been
very harmful to society. But when you look at coming
out of that your own personal story, I mean, how
do we draw the country out of this woe is
me situation? And like I said, I would go beyond
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just the black race. I would say as a society.
I mean, whether you are a college student, or you
are identifying as something or you know, there's always some
victimhood there. How did you get out of that? How
do you convince people to see the light.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Well, one of the ways I got out of it
was failing. Victim ideology leads to.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Failure and no one rescuing you exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
But I mean, I think.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Parents need to hear that because too often parents are
pulling people out of these situations like, Oh, don't worry,
you didn't really fail. But if you don't fail, you
can never achieve exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
You know. Even with my son. It's funny because my
favorite thing to tell my wife when something's going on,
She's like, oh no, but what I'm like, It'll be fine.
That's my favorite response to something that's happened with my son,
he'll be fine and because he will let him go
with through whatever is going on. It sucks, but he'll
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be fine and you'll learn something from it, and he has,
because that's how we learn things in life. And when
someone's steam rolls all your troubles, you don't learn anything.
So yeah, in treating them like a victim, telling them
that it's not your fault, yeah, it probably is their fault.
It probably is their fault. And honestly, one of the
(22:34):
ways that I stay from victim ideology is I am
very critical of myself and I always ask, no matter
what the circumstance is, how could I have done better
in the circumstance. It could have been something where let's
say I got fired from a job and I said,
you know, it's because my boss didn't like me. Or
I could have said, you know what, I could have
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done better at X, Y and Z, so next time
I'll do better and I won't get fired. That's how
I approach it. It's not my boss's fault, it's my fault.
Right even so, it's not me taking ownership of someone
else's stuff, but it's acknowledging that I have weaknesses, and
we all have weaknesses, and that's how you actually get
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better and grow. You have to reflect on who you
are as a person. But the problem is that we
tell people there's nothing wrong with you, everything is fine,
and it's them who won't accept you. They, you know,
just bring yourself to the workplace, you know, and it's like, no,
you need to take a look at yourself and notice
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the errors where you're weak.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. I literally sat in a like
a chamber of commerce meeting, a local one, and they
had college students in there and they had you know,
they are all these businesses and we're in Michigan, so
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there were many manufacturing businesses. And the people who are
leading the meeting said to the college students, you know,
what do you think is important for these businesses to
understand about you? And they said, you need to understand
if you want people to come and work at your companies,
you can't be strict about times. We need to be
able to sleep in. We want to get up when
we want. There are going to be times when we
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don't want to have to come into the office and
the room of college students and professors that were there
and the people that were the administrators at the chamber.
They roared with clapping and hooting and hollering and stood
and I looked around the room and these employers were like,
oh gosh. And that to me was really a turning
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point for our community, where I see employers who were like, yeah,
if we have a first shift and we're making cars
for parts for cars, it does it. You can't come
in late, like, you can't decide to come in whenever
you come in. That's just not real life. But I
do think that we are in in a society that
has been your special It's up to you. You make
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your own future, you make your own day, and there's
no reality that you don't. You do not make the
rules at the company. And that was one of the
things that the students said, and then the chamber reiterated.
They were like, you have to understand if you want employees,
this is now an employees market, and you have to
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like essentially bow to them, bend the need to the
employees to say whatever you want. How did we get here.
There's no other country that's doing this.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
We got here through bad parenting and a lot of
people don't like hearing that, but it's true. Actually, I
just wrote a piece a few weeks ago for the
New York Post about a survey that came out for
Red Balloon, and they talked to I believe is eighty
thousand small businesses to ask them about gen Z and
give them some sort of grade, and all the categories
(25:57):
they failed, and the biggest thing that they came back
with was saying that they're entitled. And they gave some
they you know, they allowed them to put some reasons
or some scenarios, and you know, they think they can
do whatever they want. They think that they can just
come in late and get a raise just cause like
it's high levels of entitlement. And the what ends up
(26:22):
happening is like the quick reaction is like, oh, look
at gen Z, but someone raised them. You're not born entitled.
Someone raised you to be that way. And so I
say this as a parent who has a gen Z
child who is not like this. You know, there are
plenty of times I could have told my son sure,
and I said no, and he accepted it because that's
(26:43):
how I raised him. I raised him not to get everything.
Because sometimes life disappoints you, and he has to prepare
himself for that. But when you steamroll everything for your
children and then they get in the workforce and then
you shrug your shoulders, I don't understand what's wrong with
this generation. We just gave him trophies for being involved.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well, no, it's not it. And it goes beyond that.
When I was in manufacturing and we made castings and
then we had the machine, so we would go to
machine shops and so like the foundry, I will admit
is a dirty environment in Stark and you know, it's
very hard work. The machine shops were super clean. I
mean in some of these machine shops you could eat
(27:23):
off the floor right and there they can schedule the
work through their cell phone. And it's not It is
good work. It pays really well and it's not like
you for the most part, it's not backbreaking. You're moving things.
If you're moving them, you have a lift and all
of that. And these guys were like, we can't get
people to work. And he said, last week, I had
(27:45):
a kid who is twenty one years old, and I
didn't his machine was broken down. So I had him
on cleaning duty and his mother called and said, how
could you be so disrespectful to my son? He's not
a janitor, he is a respected worker. You should treat
him with respect. His mum, I think about the irony
(28:06):
of that he's respected. You need to treat him well.
His mother is calling his work and saying, treat him well.
They said, we regularly have parents call in to tell
us that the person is going to be sick and
can't come to work. At what point, when as an adult,
did you ever have your parent call in sick for
you at work? I mean, it was unheard of when
(28:27):
we were young. But what did we do? I mean,
I admit I think it's something in our generation of parenting.
And how do we stop it?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Well, that's the thing. How do we stop it? I
don't know if you can, And we might have to
let our generation fail and go back to that theme.
You might have to let them fail. But what you
don't do is to use a doctor phyllism. You don't
reward bad behavior, right, you don't say, you know what?
It's the third kid who has his mom calling and
(28:56):
calling sick because he's not feeling well, or because he's
been out drinking too much and he has a little
bit of a hangover. He said, no, we're just going
to be short staffed until we find the right people,
and then they will learn, because otherwise they're going to
be unemployed and then they're going to be forced to
look at themselves and only mommy can do so much.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Right, It's true, I mean, and it goes back to
like that whole saying of like hard times make strong men,
strong men, make good times. Good times make weak men.
You know. It's like I'm seeing that happen right now,
and I look at these young people today and I mean,
and I'm guilty of it too. I'll say to my
(29:37):
kids like I would never have said that to my mother,
And I'm like, how how is this happening in my
own house? And I think there are a lot of
outside influences as well, and I think as parents we
have to be very very strict about what the outside
influences can be. And it goes beyond social media. People
don't always talk about these television programs that kids are watching,
(29:57):
and if you look at the Nickelodeons and the Disney's,
they're very disrespectful to adults. They don't have any responsibility.
And oftentimes these kids somehow live alone. It's like they
live with just an older brother. How is this the case?
And they have like adult lives, but their children and
because they have these adult lives, kids think, well, I
can do that too, and it's not reality. So I
(30:18):
do think that, I mean, you're just making me think
about all of this, and probably I am feeling guilty
as a parent, like, oh shoot, what am I doing
to screw up my own kids? But I do think
that we need to have these open conversations before we
go though. I want you to talk about your books.
So tell us about your book and tell people where
they can get it.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah. So I basically have a second edition to the
first one. Admittingly, when I wrote the first one, I
didn't really have a whole lot of expectations of people
reading it. You know, I was just an it guy
who just wants to express himself. I edited it along
with my wife, and I would have been happy if
ten people bought the book, and including my friends and family,
(30:58):
and you know, I sold thousand copies of the book,
and I wanted to have an opportunity to re edit
it along with doctor Tanya Hitler, who helped me in
that process. So this book can be used in different institutions.
It can be used in schools and not have to
see like these different errors that are in there. So
if you have the first book, it's much of the same.
(31:19):
This is just a more revised version, cover new interior.
But I just wanted to re release it in a
way where this is it. This is the final touch
is it's a little bit more cleaned up and be
seen in a more professional light.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Well, we appreciate you coming on and talking about it.
It is black victim to black victor. We enjoy having
you on. I always love your perspective, and I think
it's good for us to talk about all of these
things because, like I said, it makes me even think, Okay,
what do I have to change? And it's a good
reminder to constantly be aware of your surroundings and aware
of what you're saying with your kids, and aware of
(31:57):
what you're saying with community members. Thank you so much,
Adam Coleman, thanks for being on my pleasure. Thank you absolutely,
and thank you all for joining us on the Tutor
Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go to Tutor
diisonpodcast dot com. You can subscribe it right there, or
head over to the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever
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(32:17):
a blessing.
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