March 17, 2025 • 37 mins
In this episode, Lindsey Boylan discusses her experiences of sexual harassment while working for Andrew Cuomo, the former governor of New York. She highlights the systemic issues of power and abuse in politics, the role of media in shaping public perception, and the need for accountability within the Democratic Party. Boylan emphasizes the importance of supporting women who come forward and the challenges they face in a male-dominated political landscape. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today we have Lindsey
Boylan with us. She is the first woman to publicly
accuse New York Democratic Governor Andrew Cuomo of sexual harassment.
You might remember this is like the Emmy award winning governor,
because why would you get an Emmy for talking about
COVID and things that you do as a governor. But
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I think that that's important to mention because that just
goes to show how much power he had. He had
the entire Hollywood establishment behind him. He still does, and
that's why it's important to have these conversations about powerful
people that take advantage of their position and why that
should be really disqualifying for future public office. I mean,
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this is a guy who had to step away because
of what he had done, and yet here he is now.
For those of you who don't know, Andrew Cuomo has
announced that he is going to run for mayor of
New York City, and I think that's very devastating to
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Lindsey for joining me today. Lindsay, welcome to the program.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Thank you so much for having me. I'm glad to
be here.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
It's you know, I think it's something that a lot
of women deal with. I remember when Carly Fiorino was
running for president and someone asked her about harassment, and
she said, every woman who has been in business has
experienced it. And I think a lot of people in
the country went no, But I think it's true.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
That is true. Yeah. I mean I worked in the
public sector of private sector and you know, musical finance
after business school. And I like to say, I don't
like to say, but I say that we, each of us,
each of us women knows sexual harassment. I have had
some version of sexual harassment in every job I've had,
but it was never as pervasive and had the entire
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system set up to be predatory towards the woman who
worked for him as when I worked for Andrew Cuomo.
So it was just of a magnitude that I can't
even fully explain.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
That to me is the scary thing. I think it's different.
You know, I had experienced it in manufacturing, and I
have said before I worked at a family company and
one of the guys that I worked with on a
business trip was very inappropriate, and my dad was the
owner of the company. And I came back and I
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explained him, and they were friends. And at the time
I was really kind of ticked because my dad's reaction
was you're going to deal with you your whole life,
so go in and deal with it. And I was like, wow,
that's such a jerk thing. But it was. It actually
empowered me in a way I would never have expected
because because I did, I then faced him myself and
went in and said, hey, this and this not okay,
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We're never going to do this again. And I was
I was in kind of a power position because obviously
my dad owned the company. But for women who are not,
I mean, the political scene is a totally different scene
when you have somebody because you don't have there's no
boss to go to, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
No, no. And I will say I'm a democrat. I
was working for probably the most powerful democrat at the time,
not just in the state of New York, but in
the country because of all these you know, Emmy awards
and the plots that he'd received, and the self promotion
he had had done during COVID And for as much
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as the Democratic Party likes to say that they support women,
this was a great example to the contrary. And I
was working for this really powerful man and doing I
was not a junior person. Actually I was very senior.
And I could be asked to lead the state's recovery
work in Puerto Rico in any given moment, which is
something I did, or I could be sexually dressed, and
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his entire senior staff predominantly of women, at least in
his like you know, office work, participated in that. I
like to say that I don't like to say, but
I felt like, you know, when you have a snake
and they eat mice, and you know, maybe kind of
in a vicious way, someone hits the mouse against the
tank to kind of disorient it so the snake can
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eat it. That is what it felt like working for
Andrew Cuomo. And I think it's really important to say
we cannot be partisan about this issue. You know, the
bad guys in power are bad for all of us,
and it doesn't matter if they're in your party or
they're not. And I think that that is why it
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ultimately resonated, was because these are all these women. And
by the way, I'm the old lady of the crew,
I also have the most privilege of a platform to
speak up. So there's lots of women much younger than
myself who he's harassed continuously, even through the court system,
requesting gynological records. Another victim of his, yes, a young victim,
younger than I think two of his three daughters. At least,
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he sought dynological records from her simply because she accused
him and provided significant evidence that he harassed her. And
in another case, one of the women who came forward
was a state trooper, a woman whose job it was
to protect him with her life, and he sexually harassed her.
So much for a guy who purports to be a
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law enforcement politician, especially right now he's trying to lean
into that, what kind of law enforcement politicians sexually harasses
a person whose job is protect him with her life.
And it just it's so beyond. When the physical harassment
stopped and he resigned and he for one day said
he understood to a certain extent that he was in
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the wrong. He's proceeded to spend the next several years
harassing all of us. Whether or not we're resuming him.
I am not, because I don't want to have anything
to deal with this gross man. He's proceeded to attack
us all in court on the taxpayer's dime. And I
think the state controller put out a figure this week
saying between the sexual harassment cases, the faulty book deal
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on COVID, he spent sixty million dollars of state money
defending himself, and none of us have that money to
defend ourselves from him and his attacks of us, even
though he's the one who abused us to begin with.
So it's just it's beyond disgusting.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
And I think, see, you're exposing something that I don't
think that a lot of people understand. And this is
why you've heard rumblings and you've probably heard this too,
rumblings of this congressional slush fund that was used for
years to cover up things like this, and that is not,
I mean, and sadly, a bipartisan slush fund, because this
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is not a partisan issue. This is a scumbag issue,
and it can be a scumbag in any party. And
this goes from I mean, we've heard stories anywhere from kids,
like some of the young pages that were abused by
men and women in Congress, and these are powerful people.
But again, using taxpayer money to get out of committing
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a crime, which to me is shocking that this is allowed.
And then you told me something before we got on
that is even more shocking to me. He's allowed to
use he was allowed to use the taxpayer money. But
now you're having to defend yourself against him, even though
you're not even going after him.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, I'm not suing him. I don't want anything to
do with that man. I don't want to interact with
him ever. Again, I don't want anything from him, including
what people often say of women who come forward is
that we want money. Well, I've paid one point five
million dollars personally legal fees for court cases that I'm
not involved in. That I would be surprised if that
man has one hundred dollars in his bank account. I
don't want anything from him. I just want him to disappear.
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And I think I just want to point that out
because so often women are smeared. Oh she wants money
is as notion, and the woman who assuing him really
just want him to be accountable and want the harm
to stop. And somehow there's this public officer's law on
the state books that enables him to continue to draw
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from state coffers and New York taxpayer money for these defenses.
I think the leadership and the state senators put some
legislation forth to stop that or kind of curb that.
But as you point out with you know, even in Congress,
it's an equal opportunity self protection situation, and that's what
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a lot of these pieces of legislation are to protect them.
And even though I was a high ranking official, high
enough certainly to benefit from taxpayer funded defense, because I
was the one harassed, because I was the victim here,
I can't avail myself of that. So it's just this,
it's too extreme that I think people can't even really
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consciously understand, because you would never think that a man
who abused so many people, women nursing home seniors indirectly
with his policies, would be availing himself of sixty million
dollars in taxpayer money. And in fact, the lead lawyer
on this case for him, who's getting most of the money,
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is co hosting a fundraiser for his mayoral canoncymen.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
You cannot make it up.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
You cannot make it up. And she also appeared Rita Glavin.
She appeared at his one of his announcements when he
launched his campaign, and she answered the question about the
money and the seeking gaynological records. His taxpayer funded attorney
shows up at his campaign political campaign press conference and
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defends him as part of his campaign, and she goes
on to basically smear the victim again that he sought
gynological records for and listen, I would love if people
felt compelled by seeing me and saying that's not right.
It shouldn't have happened to her, and felt bad. But
think about women. Predominantly, a majority of these women are
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significantly younger than I am. I'm the old lady of
the group. He was being a predator with these young women,
mostly in either one of their first jobs at a
college in an executive assistant role, and he was taking
advantage of that power structure. In my own way, it
was really humiliating because I worked my whole career to
get into these powerful rooms and to have someone treating
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me poorly like this. Sometimes I didn't even want to
talk about it because it humiliated me in a way.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Like you say, you were senior staff, so you had
worked to a point. It wasn't like you I mean,
and not that it would have made any difference, but
the point is you were at a level where you
had obviously had the experience. This is your reputation on
the line if you come out against someone, and I
think that's why so often women and even other people
in the office are afraid to speak out because this
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is a person who can hire you at will, They
can get rid of you, they can destroy your career,
and the career the political career is very much based
on reputation and word of mouth and what I can do.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
He originally he who did he use? He reached out
to the Times of organization that was literally built out
of sexual resk and the Mantal movement, and he tried
to get them to sign He told them not to
support me publicly, which they'd been considering doing when I
came forward. And then he tried to get them, I believe,
to sign on to a letter smearing me, which they
didn't do, but ultimately their entire organization blew up because
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they did indirectly support him against someone who he victimized.
And I just think it shows the hypocrisy even of
my own party, And if it takes, if it takes
highlighting the hypocrisy of my own party, I don't care.
The whole point of being in these jobs is to
help people, and instead what we have with people like
Andrew Cuomo and probably many people you've dealt with in
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your career, as people who are in a self protection industry,
not a help people industry.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
That's such a great way of putting your thing because
their boss is the taxpayer and they and the voter,
and the voter doesn't always hear about this and the voter,
and especially if you control the media, which, to be honest,
folks in your party have a lot more control over
the media than even on the Republican side. So if
you control the narrative, you have all the power. And
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so I know, I read some of the articles where
you've said you know, I even internally I say to myself,
why did I stay as long as I did? But
I think that for folks who read this, because I'm
sure you've been asked that question, why didn't you just leave?
For folks who are reading this, this is it sounds
sounds like a big industry. It is a small industry
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that is big, a big job to have in a
small industry, and for you to walk away that is
incredibly damaging to your career. And this is the position
women are put in. What do I do?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah? I mean to say that, you know, if you
want to be in politics, you're a Democrat, you live
in New York. This was the Olympics. So for me
to leave that, it's like saying I don't want to
go to the Olympics, and I worked so hard. You listen, politicians,
for the most part, unless they're doing something I'm not
sure i'm a fan of, don't get paid a ton
of money for it. So they do it because hopefully
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they believe in what they're doing, you know, And that
is how I felt about it. I mean, now, I'm
lucky to have a business husband who hates politics, not
lucky to hate politics, but he's not in his field,
which is good. So you know, we're okay, and I'm
able to mount defense. But I didn't join this industry
to benefit financially, I became. I spent a year years
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in government and going up that ladder because I believe
in it, and I believe there is something that we
need to do to help people every day. And we
can disagree on the policy of that. But for a
guy to make all the women who work for him uncomfortable,
to create an entire toxic environment that feeds him as
the predator, to use government funds this way to smear
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me when he was still the sitting governor with his
taxpayer funded attorney on his campaign conference line for his
re election for governor, to use the entire New York
press Corps, particularly Albany Press corps. And you mentioned me,
and I do think it's important. Is this whole thing
that I'm sure you've seen in your career, this access
journalism piece is really disgusting because I know if a
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certain person, particularly who's been based in Albany for most
of their career in politics, is going to cover a story,
then it's going to be at the very least watered down,
and they're probably going to just cover press releases from
this candidate, not because they love him, but because they
know how the system works. And that is all part
of this corruption. And I know this is a dangerous,
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difficult time for journalists, but I expect a lot better
than some of what I'm seeing. And people who have
covered this man, listen, the journalists know exactly who this man.
He was clipped on one interview saying to a female
journalist something to the effect of, do you like big
sausage sandwiches? You know, just disgusting, you know, innuendo, sexual innuit.
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He's like a three year old, you know, like when
he asked me to play strip book around the plane.
But he's truly disgusting, and journalists know that. And I
think one of the things that will always stand out
in my mind that I did say in the deposition
was I'll never forget being in the vehicle with him,
and there's always like state troopers guarding him, and he's dreaming.
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A very well known journalist on the phone absolutely yelling
at him, and I didn't know who it was. I'm like, gosh,
that must be one of our staffers who he's yelling at.
And it was a famous journalist. And I just said
to me, And that was when I was still working
for him. So if my colleagues aren't going to stand
up for me. The state troopers are set up to
protect him. All this system is attract and then journalists
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are afraid of him. How is anyone going to get
this word out? So I didn't think there was a
lot of beunter. The only reason I ended up doing
saying something publicly was because I talked about it being
a toxic environment. And then one of the young women
much younger than myself, the one he saw chnological records for,
reached out to me and DMed me and said, I
don't know you, but thank you for saying something critical
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about this man he sexually harassed me. And her story
mirrored mine. She kind of looks a little bit like me, disgustingly,
he has a type. And I believed her. And then
like the next day or so, you know, you've spent
your current politics. He was being floated for a potential
attorney general pick for you know, like a Biden administration,
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and I knew what that meant. That meant they were looking,
they were putting the balloon out there to see if
anyone was going to push back.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
And so between that's the top law enforcement officer in
this country.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Be the top law enforcement officer, over every woman I love,
over over my daughter, over every woman you care about,
And that just did me in. And I don't necessarily
think I didn't really think about the implications, because if
I did, maybe it Ouveren like, that's crazy, Lindsay.
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you think about this from the I mean, everybody says
that Donald Trump is such a showman, but this is
this is a political game that people play, is how
can I make the show look good for me? And
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if you think about that time period, and you can
tell me if I'm wrong, but like me, thinking back,
he is also around that time, he was also being
floated as a presidential candidate, and people were talking about
he was the sexiest man alive and there were all
these people putting these weird videos out. Yeah we're talking
and I remember being like, BARV, why do people think
this guy is so sexy? But you have to kind
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of think was this something that his people were pushing
out there, because that's what they.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Do, That's what they do they for He forces is
such a great symbol of who this man is. He
forces himself on people. He forces himself on New Yorkers,
he forces himself on the media. And even in the
you know leaking that his people did about him running
for mayor, he was saying it was this kind of
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community driven you know draft Andrew Cuomo, Well, Carl McCall
and and everyone printed the first story where Carl McCall,
who was the head of Sunny Polly, you know famously
they had been you know, uh competing in an early
run for governor years before that. Carl McCall drafted him.
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Now that's that's total BS, it's total theatrics. Carl McCall
was appointed by Andrew Cuomo and firmly in his circle
and doing what he was told for years. And anyone
who works for and Cuomo knew that. And I just
say that one example, because everything you see that he
puts out there is entirely creation, usually a lie. I
mean one thing that is a minor story that I
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like to share because it just shows what a sociopath
he is is. He was doing some I don't know
if it was an interview or a Q and A
or a gaggle with the press after an event we had,
and I was one of the staffers with him at
this event, so it must have been like an economic
development thing, which is what I oversaw for the state.
And somehow he either said or he responded to a
journalist where he said he told some story about him
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and him fishing and getting a bald eagle feather, and
then he and interestingly enough rich as a party. We're
talking about this afterwards. It was a totally made up
story because it came out that you're not supposed to
keep I think a bald eagle feather. He had completely
made up the story, so it was rich as a party.
This little troll who is working for him, now his
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job to try and find some way to walk back
that bullshit, excuse my line, walk back that story entirely.
And I'm just like, what kind of sociopath makes up
a minor like a like an innocuous story about a
bald eagle feather.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
It was just so bizarre, and yeah, what he writes,
that's the thing. It's like, if you're willing to make
up a story about something that doesn't matter at all,
that doesn't need to be made up, then what else
are you willing to do? And I think that is
where the American people have been so blinded by what
actually happens in politics. I mean, even if you watch
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some of the shows behind the scenes, you get a
glimpse into the deals and the and the obsession with power.
And I think, you know you mentioned that, you imagine
these people don't go into it for money. They go
into it for the right reasons. Because there's not a
lot of money. Why there actually is a lot of power.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I think he and people like him went into it
because they want to be the center of the universe
and they like power. Yes. To be clear, nothing that
I've ever experienced of him with him around him ever
makes me think he has any moral compass or any
actual passion to help people. I truly think he is
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a sociopath. So I do think the majority of people
go in it too help. I think he went into
it because it was the family business, and it was
a way for him to continue amassing power, and he
knew how to do it by bullying people. Well.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
And I know that you have bonded with Janistine over
her own situation.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
She is awesome, She's amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
That woman is such a fighter, and I think that
people people overlook her concern because they go, oh, you
know what, COVID was a tragedy. So many people ended
up losing people. But I think we're in somewhat of
a similar situation. I was here in Michigan, you guys.
In New York, the governors both put COVID positive patients
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into nursing homes. Guomo even stopped the practice before Whitmer did.
But I also lost my grandmother in.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
The nursing know that. I'm sorry I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
And I think back about it, and I think that
we were complacent at the time because we were all,
you know, panicked, and we didn't have the information. You know,
we didn't have the information that the governors had. The
other governors didn't do this, and Janesis complaint is valid
because they had information we didn't have. And I look
back at right before, when we were saying goodbye to
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my grandmother standing at the window of her nursing home,
looking down the row and seeing other families standing at
the windows, and I look back on that and I
think these people had information that they And when you
say he didn't care, I mean that's how that happens,
you know, yes.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yes, And I think now there is such a desire
to not hold people like my governor at least in
my case is the case I know very familiar with
accountable because Democratic leaders think that it'll make them look bad,
so there's so much selfishness here. I followed not just
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because I loved Janison, because I care about this tremendous
wrong that happened to so many families like yours. But
I wanted to see what he was going to do
with this interview on the Select Committee on COVID, and
I was surprised that the Democrats said anything critical that
shows the extent to which he did things really wrong,
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you know, forcing the nursing homes to accept these people,
lying about the numbers of debt related to nursing home,
the nursing home policy, and lying about his awareness, his
personal awareness of this policy, and lying about the extent
to which he knew the number of differentials. I mean,
as you may, you probably know, he's been referred for
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criminal prosecution by the House Select Committee. And I think
it's just kind of funny because we are where we
are in New York City to some extent, because there
is a concern amongst several people that Eric Adams cannot
be an effective independent leader. What you know, policy aside
that he cannot make decisions for the city as a
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whole because he's more concerned about his own personal you know,
potential issues with the you know, the Department of Justice
and the like.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
So how is that different exactly?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
That's where what I really want to drive One of
the things I really want to drive home is if
you think that is a problem, you know, some Turkish flights,
maybe some upgrades. I'm not demeaning these I'm not diminishing
these things. What do you think is going to happen
with a mayor of New York City who has been
found by the Biden DOJ to have harassed thirteen women
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who worked for him and created a sexually toxic environment.
A mayor of New York in andercuomo if he were
to win, which I don't think he's going to because
we're going to fight against it, but who has been
referred for criminal prosecution and for lying to Congress. So
what do you think is going to happen with a
man who has all of these outstanding judicial issues at
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the federal level? And what do you think is going
to happen there? You think you're going to have a
more independent leader than the guy who has some problems
with campaign finance.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Well, and these are all things that reflect on his leadership.
Like he's a known quantity. And I think that's the
thing that frustrates women. It's like when you have the receipts,
this guy is a known quantity. He did this in office,
and not only did he do things personally that were wrong,
but professionally also that we're wrong. He handled situations inappropriately
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as governor. How could you possibly hand him another elected position?
But there is power in that name, and that is
the scary thing is how manipulative that can be on
both sides, how manipulative these commercials are and the attacks
on the other side. And yet the media is not
coming out like you think they would and say, dude,
(27:57):
come on, you've got it, You're done.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
There's a little too much stenography right now. And I
one thing that you know, people ask about poles. What
do you make of the few poles that have been
put out that put him ahead? Well, the best I
can tell, aside from the recent Quinnipiac poll, they were
all polls put out either by his campaign, people related
to him, or another campaign that benefits from painting him
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as the big, bad wolf. To be, so I think
that's totally irrelevant. The Quinnipiac piece. Basically, if someone has
one hundred percent name recognition and all they have on
the outset, when they're the only one of that name recognition,
they only have thirty percent support, that's not a good number.
And in a rank choice voting system, which is still
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new for us in New York, we're still trying to
understand it. The objective that I have and that others
like me have is one, make sure everyone does not
rank him because he's a monster.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I was watching some of your videos and for those
of us who are not, I was like, Okay, wait,
how does this exactly work? So do you have to
do you have to rank five because it can go
to five or how does that work?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yes? And and I try to explain it because this
is only our second mayor election we've had ranked choice voting,
and it is a little bit different. And I also
think that polling, even if it were completely independent, doesn't
factor in ranked choice voting at all. So at the
primary level, in this case, the Democratic primary, because I'm
a Democrat, we're talking man Andrew Cuomo. When people show
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up on the day of to vote, or they do
early voting, they're going to be presented with five slots
to fill for the mayor's position. And you know, we're
telling everyone. I think, you know, we just had I
just saw a letter come out this morning from over
one hundred and fifty Democratic elected Leaders committee members in
the city not to rank him. So that's the first objective,
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to not rank him as one of these five. But
then also, you know, and I'll explain why people need
to fill out all five of those slots in a
ranked choice voting system, particularly because there are so any
candidates and for those who are not in New York
are not familiar. Eric Adams won the current mayor and
one in the first ranked choice voting process in one
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of the very late rounds, and they he only won
by a few thousands, so we almost had a different mayor.
And when I say different rounds, they what is to
simplify what happens is, let's say you put your five
candidates on there, and your first candidate that you know
is the lowest, gets the lowest votes in the first
round of ranked choice vote counting, they're out. So then
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they go to all the people who put that person
who's out on first on their ballot, and they see
who their next first person is, and so all of
these things accumulate, and we need people to fill out
all five positions. So you know, some might say, lindsay
I only like Brad or I only like Zelner or
a different candidate. I'm only going to fill them out.
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It's really important that people fill out all five because
if you don't, and let's say you're two candidates that
you list, they're out immediately, your vote ends up not
counting for mayor. You don't end up having to say
for mayor. So it is a complicated system. I do
also think that that is in no way reflected and
polling right now. But it's going to be interesting, really
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hard to pull for. Yes, yeah, you can't. And I
will tell you this. This letter that I mentioned to
you was signed by you know, as I said, almost
two hundred individual leaders political clubs in the city. That's
a big deal to just have a letter entirely signed
about an anti Cuomo. And I would say the top
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you know, the five candidates that I have thus far
given public matching funds too, because I want someone to
beat him. That I am willing to have as mayor.
All of those five appear to be willing to coordinate
with other campaigns, and they're all saying, don't rank and
Puomo to a certain extent, and they're all saying, rank
five people and put us first, and then you can
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put these other people first. So I would suspect as
the primary goes on, you will not only continue to
see this Antiquomo message, but a big part of that
is going to be the candidates themselves sending anti Cuomo
and saying rink all five. And you know, maybe you
will see two candidates who are particularly aligned to do
a lot more together and the like, and that's how
he's going to be beat.
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Speaker 2 (34:37):
It is a lot. I don't know it, you know,
to a certain extent, unless it's a really wealthy like
Bloomberg as individual, which we don't have. In this race.
I really go by who will receive public matching funds.
It's an eight to one match and I think this
Thursday is the next filing deadline. So you know, as
I said, I've donated to five candidates I have on
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my list that I think would be really would be
good mayors and are viable in terms of the potential support.
So that's what I'm focused on. But there are more
than five. Wow.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Well, we are definitely going to be watching and we'll
continue to spread the news because I obviously I want
to support women and I think you, as I said,
I've experienced this, and for those of you listening, if
you don't know what it's like to be in an
office like this, talk to women in your life. I
promise you they've experienced it, and they will if they
listen to this podcast, they'll go, yeah, that is that's
(35:34):
the conundrum. And also it's frustrating to me because you
know that this happens in I mean we hear about
it in DC all the time. Yes, And I would
also encourage people who are elected when they see other
elected people call it out, because you have the power.
It's different for someone outside of the staff to go, hey,
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knock it off. And that's meaningful to every woman out
there that's trying to actually make some of her career.
And it's so unfair to have your life's work robbed
from you because someone in power has that ability.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
And by the way, if it's a it's a notorious
predator like Andrew Cuomo, everyone around him knows it. So yeah,
everyone who was in a senior, you know, elected position
in Albany, they all knew this. I mean, unfortunately, before
I went to work for the state and the governor,
and maybe this would be the last thing I share.
It just very chilling. There's an organization called ABNEY, an
(36:31):
Association for Better New York, and it brings together you know,
business leaders, real estate leaders, political leaders in the city.
And the woman who was the head of it at
the time I knew and I was friendly with, and
when I got the job, working my first job working
for the state, not directly for him, she said, be careful,
stay away from the governor. He has a women problem.
And I just had to kill a story in the
New York Times with him about him and women. And
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I didn't at the time focus on it because I
wasn't going to go work for him directly. It ended
up I was slowly broad into his you know, fish tank,
and unfortunately all the bad things happen to me. But
this is this man's abuse of women in particular, and
his abuse in general is an open story in any
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powerful New York circle that you know, and that is
what truly discussed me too. Well.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Thank you so much for coming out and sharing. I
know this is hard and I appreciate it. Lindsay Boylan,
thank you for coming on today.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Thank you, and I appreciate your time. We need to
get the word out and I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I agree, I agree, and thank you all for joining
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accuse New York Democratic Governor Andrew Cuomo of sexual harassment.
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Speaker 2 (02:28):
Thank you so much for having me. I'm glad to
be here.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
It's you know, I think it's something that a lot
of women deal with. I remember when Carly Fiorino was
running for president and someone asked her about harassment, and
she said, every woman who has been in business has
experienced it. And I think a lot of people in
the country went no, But I think it's true.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
That is true. Yeah. I mean I worked in the
public sector of private sector and you know, musical finance
after business school. And I like to say, I don't
like to say, but I say that we, each of us,
each of us women knows sexual harassment. I have had
some version of sexual harassment in every job I've had,
but it was never as pervasive and had the entire
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system set up to be predatory towards the woman who
worked for him as when I worked for Andrew Cuomo.
So it was just of a magnitude that I can't
even fully explain.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
That to me is the scary thing. I think it's different.
You know, I had experienced it in manufacturing, and I
have said before I worked at a family company and
one of the guys that I worked with on a
business trip was very inappropriate, and my dad was the
owner of the company. And I came back and I
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explained him, and they were friends. And at the time
I was really kind of ticked because my dad's reaction
was you're going to deal with you your whole life,
so go in and deal with it. And I was like, wow,
that's such a jerk thing. But it was. It actually
empowered me in a way I would never have expected
because because I did, I then faced him myself and
went in and said, hey, this and this not okay,
(04:05):
We're never going to do this again. And I was
I was in kind of a power position because obviously
my dad owned the company. But for women who are not,
I mean, the political scene is a totally different scene
when you have somebody because you don't have there's no
boss to go to, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
No, no. And I will say I'm a democrat. I
was working for probably the most powerful democrat at the time,
not just in the state of New York, but in
the country because of all these you know, Emmy awards
and the plots that he'd received, and the self promotion
he had had done during COVID And for as much
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as the Democratic Party likes to say that they support women,
this was a great example to the contrary. And I
was working for this really powerful man and doing I
was not a junior person. Actually I was very senior.
And I could be asked to lead the state's recovery
work in Puerto Rico in any given moment, which is
something I did, or I could be sexually dressed, and
(05:09):
his entire senior staff predominantly of women, at least in
his like you know, office work, participated in that. I
like to say that I don't like to say, but
I felt like, you know, when you have a snake
and they eat mice, and you know, maybe kind of
in a vicious way, someone hits the mouse against the
tank to kind of disorient it so the snake can
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eat it. That is what it felt like working for
Andrew Cuomo. And I think it's really important to say
we cannot be partisan about this issue. You know, the
bad guys in power are bad for all of us,
and it doesn't matter if they're in your party or
they're not. And I think that that is why it
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ultimately resonated, was because these are all these women. And
by the way, I'm the old lady of the crew,
I also have the most privilege of a platform to
speak up. So there's lots of women much younger than
myself who he's harassed continuously, even through the court system,
requesting gynological records. Another victim of his, yes, a young victim,
younger than I think two of his three daughters. At least,
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he sought dynological records from her simply because she accused
him and provided significant evidence that he harassed her. And
in another case, one of the women who came forward
was a state trooper, a woman whose job it was
to protect him with her life, and he sexually harassed her.
So much for a guy who purports to be a
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law enforcement politician, especially right now he's trying to lean
into that, what kind of law enforcement politicians sexually harasses
a person whose job is protect him with her life.
And it just it's so beyond. When the physical harassment
stopped and he resigned and he for one day said
he understood to a certain extent that he was in
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the wrong. He's proceeded to spend the next several years
harassing all of us. Whether or not we're resuming him.
I am not, because I don't want to have anything
to deal with this gross man. He's proceeded to attack
us all in court on the taxpayer's dime. And I
think the state controller put out a figure this week
saying between the sexual harassment cases, the faulty book deal
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on COVID, he spent sixty million dollars of state money
defending himself, and none of us have that money to
defend ourselves from him and his attacks of us, even
though he's the one who abused us to begin with.
So it's just it's beyond disgusting.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
And I think, see, you're exposing something that I don't
think that a lot of people understand. And this is
why you've heard rumblings and you've probably heard this too,
rumblings of this congressional slush fund that was used for
years to cover up things like this, and that is not,
I mean, and sadly, a bipartisan slush fund, because this
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is not a partisan issue. This is a scumbag issue,
and it can be a scumbag in any party. And
this goes from I mean, we've heard stories anywhere from kids,
like some of the young pages that were abused by
men and women in Congress, and these are powerful people.
But again, using taxpayer money to get out of committing
(08:15):
a crime, which to me is shocking that this is allowed.
And then you told me something before we got on
that is even more shocking to me. He's allowed to
use he was allowed to use the taxpayer money. But
now you're having to defend yourself against him, even though
you're not even going after him.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, I'm not suing him. I don't want anything to
do with that man. I don't want to interact with
him ever. Again, I don't want anything from him, including
what people often say of women who come forward is
that we want money. Well, I've paid one point five
million dollars personally legal fees for court cases that I'm
not involved in. That I would be surprised if that
man has one hundred dollars in his bank account. I
don't want anything from him. I just want him to disappear.
(08:53):
And I think I just want to point that out
because so often women are smeared. Oh she wants money
is as notion, and the woman who assuing him really
just want him to be accountable and want the harm
to stop. And somehow there's this public officer's law on
the state books that enables him to continue to draw
(09:14):
from state coffers and New York taxpayer money for these defenses.
I think the leadership and the state senators put some
legislation forth to stop that or kind of curb that.
But as you point out with you know, even in Congress,
it's an equal opportunity self protection situation, and that's what
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a lot of these pieces of legislation are to protect them.
And even though I was a high ranking official, high
enough certainly to benefit from taxpayer funded defense, because I
was the one harassed, because I was the victim here,
I can't avail myself of that. So it's just this,
it's too extreme that I think people can't even really
(09:57):
consciously understand, because you would never think that a man
who abused so many people, women nursing home seniors indirectly
with his policies, would be availing himself of sixty million
dollars in taxpayer money. And in fact, the lead lawyer
on this case for him, who's getting most of the money,
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is co hosting a fundraiser for his mayoral canoncymen.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
You cannot make it up.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
You cannot make it up. And she also appeared Rita Glavin.
She appeared at his one of his announcements when he
launched his campaign, and she answered the question about the
money and the seeking gaynological records. His taxpayer funded attorney
shows up at his campaign political campaign press conference and
(10:45):
defends him as part of his campaign, and she goes
on to basically smear the victim again that he sought
gynological records for and listen, I would love if people
felt compelled by seeing me and saying that's not right.
It shouldn't have happened to her, and felt bad. But
think about women. Predominantly, a majority of these women are
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significantly younger than I am. I'm the old lady of
the group. He was being a predator with these young women,
mostly in either one of their first jobs at a
college in an executive assistant role, and he was taking
advantage of that power structure. In my own way, it
was really humiliating because I worked my whole career to
get into these powerful rooms and to have someone treating
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me poorly like this. Sometimes I didn't even want to
talk about it because it humiliated me in a way.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Like you say, you were senior staff, so you had
worked to a point. It wasn't like you I mean,
and not that it would have made any difference, but
the point is you were at a level where you
had obviously had the experience. This is your reputation on
the line if you come out against someone, and I
think that's why so often women and even other people
in the office are afraid to speak out because this
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is a person who can hire you at will, They
can get rid of you, they can destroy your career,
and the career the political career is very much based
on reputation and word of mouth and what I can do.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
He originally he who did he use? He reached out
to the Times of organization that was literally built out
of sexual resk and the Mantal movement, and he tried
to get them to sign He told them not to
support me publicly, which they'd been considering doing when I
came forward. And then he tried to get them, I believe,
to sign on to a letter smearing me, which they
didn't do, but ultimately their entire organization blew up because
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they did indirectly support him against someone who he victimized.
And I just think it shows the hypocrisy even of
my own party, And if it takes, if it takes
highlighting the hypocrisy of my own party, I don't care.
The whole point of being in these jobs is to
help people, and instead what we have with people like
Andrew Cuomo and probably many people you've dealt with in
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your career, as people who are in a self protection industry,
not a help people industry.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
That's such a great way of putting your thing because
their boss is the taxpayer and they and the voter,
and the voter doesn't always hear about this and the voter,
and especially if you control the media, which, to be honest,
folks in your party have a lot more control over
the media than even on the Republican side. So if
you control the narrative, you have all the power. And
(13:26):
so I know, I read some of the articles where
you've said you know, I even internally I say to myself,
why did I stay as long as I did? But
I think that for folks who read this, because I'm
sure you've been asked that question, why didn't you just leave?
For folks who are reading this, this is it sounds
sounds like a big industry. It is a small industry
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that is big, a big job to have in a
small industry, and for you to walk away that is
incredibly damaging to your career. And this is the position
women are put in. What do I do?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah? I mean to say that, you know, if you
want to be in politics, you're a Democrat, you live
in New York. This was the Olympics. So for me
to leave that, it's like saying I don't want to
go to the Olympics, and I worked so hard. You listen, politicians,
for the most part, unless they're doing something I'm not
sure i'm a fan of, don't get paid a ton
of money for it. So they do it because hopefully
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they believe in what they're doing, you know, And that
is how I felt about it. I mean, now, I'm
lucky to have a business husband who hates politics, not
lucky to hate politics, but he's not in his field,
which is good. So you know, we're okay, and I'm
able to mount defense. But I didn't join this industry
to benefit financially, I became. I spent a year years
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in government and going up that ladder because I believe
in it, and I believe there is something that we
need to do to help people every day. And we
can disagree on the policy of that. But for a
guy to make all the women who work for him uncomfortable,
to create an entire toxic environment that feeds him as
the predator, to use government funds this way to smear
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me when he was still the sitting governor with his
taxpayer funded attorney on his campaign conference line for his
re election for governor, to use the entire New York
press Corps, particularly Albany Press corps. And you mentioned me,
and I do think it's important. Is this whole thing
that I'm sure you've seen in your career, this access
journalism piece is really disgusting because I know if a
(15:28):
certain person, particularly who's been based in Albany for most
of their career in politics, is going to cover a story,
then it's going to be at the very least watered down,
and they're probably going to just cover press releases from
this candidate, not because they love him, but because they
know how the system works. And that is all part
of this corruption. And I know this is a dangerous,
(15:49):
difficult time for journalists, but I expect a lot better
than some of what I'm seeing. And people who have
covered this man, listen, the journalists know exactly who this man.
He was clipped on one interview saying to a female
journalist something to the effect of, do you like big
sausage sandwiches? You know, just disgusting, you know, innuendo, sexual innuit.
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He's like a three year old, you know, like when
he asked me to play strip book around the plane.
But he's truly disgusting, and journalists know that. And I
think one of the things that will always stand out
in my mind that I did say in the deposition
was I'll never forget being in the vehicle with him,
and there's always like state troopers guarding him, and he's dreaming.
(16:32):
A very well known journalist on the phone absolutely yelling
at him, and I didn't know who it was. I'm like, gosh,
that must be one of our staffers who he's yelling at.
And it was a famous journalist. And I just said
to me, And that was when I was still working
for him. So if my colleagues aren't going to stand
up for me. The state troopers are set up to
protect him. All this system is attract and then journalists
(16:54):
are afraid of him. How is anyone going to get
this word out? So I didn't think there was a
lot of beunter. The only reason I ended up doing
saying something publicly was because I talked about it being
a toxic environment. And then one of the young women
much younger than myself, the one he saw chnological records for,
reached out to me and DMed me and said, I
don't know you, but thank you for saying something critical
(17:15):
about this man he sexually harassed me. And her story
mirrored mine. She kind of looks a little bit like me, disgustingly,
he has a type. And I believed her. And then
like the next day or so, you know, you've spent
your current politics. He was being floated for a potential
attorney general pick for you know, like a Biden administration,
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and I knew what that meant. That meant they were looking,
they were putting the balloon out there to see if
anyone was going to push back.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
And so between that's the top law enforcement officer in
this country.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Be the top law enforcement officer, over every woman I love,
over over my daughter, over every woman you care about,
And that just did me in. And I don't necessarily
think I didn't really think about the implications, because if
I did, maybe it Ouveren like, that's crazy, Lindsay.
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stick around. We've got more for you after this. If
you think about this from the I mean, everybody says
that Donald Trump is such a showman, but this is
this is a political game that people play, is how
can I make the show look good for me? And
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if you think about that time period, and you can
tell me if I'm wrong, but like me, thinking back,
he is also around that time, he was also being
floated as a presidential candidate, and people were talking about
he was the sexiest man alive and there were all
these people putting these weird videos out. Yeah we're talking
and I remember being like, BARV, why do people think
this guy is so sexy? But you have to kind
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of think was this something that his people were pushing
out there, because that's what they.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Do, That's what they do they for He forces is
such a great symbol of who this man is. He
forces himself on people. He forces himself on New Yorkers,
he forces himself on the media. And even in the
you know leaking that his people did about him running
for mayor, he was saying it was this kind of
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community driven you know draft Andrew Cuomo, Well, Carl McCall
and and everyone printed the first story where Carl McCall,
who was the head of Sunny Polly, you know famously
they had been you know, uh competing in an early
run for governor years before that. Carl McCall drafted him.
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Now that's that's total BS, it's total theatrics. Carl McCall
was appointed by Andrew Cuomo and firmly in his circle
and doing what he was told for years. And anyone
who works for and Cuomo knew that. And I just
say that one example, because everything you see that he
puts out there is entirely creation, usually a lie. I
mean one thing that is a minor story that I
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like to share because it just shows what a sociopath
he is is. He was doing some I don't know
if it was an interview or a Q and A
or a gaggle with the press after an event we had,
and I was one of the staffers with him at
this event, so it must have been like an economic
development thing, which is what I oversaw for the state.
And somehow he either said or he responded to a
journalist where he said he told some story about him
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and him fishing and getting a bald eagle feather, and
then he and interestingly enough rich as a party. We're
talking about this afterwards. It was a totally made up
story because it came out that you're not supposed to
keep I think a bald eagle feather. He had completely
made up the story, so it was rich as a party.
This little troll who is working for him, now his
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job to try and find some way to walk back
that bullshit, excuse my line, walk back that story entirely.
And I'm just like, what kind of sociopath makes up
a minor like a like an innocuous story about a
bald eagle feather.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
It was just so bizarre, and yeah, what he writes,
that's the thing. It's like, if you're willing to make
up a story about something that doesn't matter at all,
that doesn't need to be made up, then what else
are you willing to do? And I think that is
where the American people have been so blinded by what
actually happens in politics. I mean, even if you watch
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some of the shows behind the scenes, you get a
glimpse into the deals and the and the obsession with power.
And I think, you know you mentioned that, you imagine
these people don't go into it for money. They go
into it for the right reasons. Because there's not a
lot of money. Why there actually is a lot of power.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I think he and people like him went into it
because they want to be the center of the universe
and they like power. Yes. To be clear, nothing that
I've ever experienced of him with him around him ever
makes me think he has any moral compass or any
actual passion to help people. I truly think he is
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a sociopath. So I do think the majority of people
go in it too help. I think he went into
it because it was the family business, and it was
a way for him to continue amassing power, and he
knew how to do it by bullying people. Well.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
And I know that you have bonded with Janistine over
her own situation.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
She is awesome, She's amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
That woman is such a fighter, and I think that
people people overlook her concern because they go, oh, you
know what, COVID was a tragedy. So many people ended
up losing people. But I think we're in somewhat of
a similar situation. I was here in Michigan, you guys.
In New York, the governors both put COVID positive patients
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into nursing homes. Guomo even stopped the practice before Whitmer did.
But I also lost my grandmother in.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
The nursing know that. I'm sorry I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
And I think back about it, and I think that
we were complacent at the time because we were all,
you know, panicked, and we didn't have the information. You know,
we didn't have the information that the governors had. The
other governors didn't do this, and Janesis complaint is valid
because they had information we didn't have. And I look
back at right before, when we were saying goodbye to
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my grandmother standing at the window of her nursing home,
looking down the row and seeing other families standing at
the windows, and I look back on that and I
think these people had information that they And when you
say he didn't care, I mean that's how that happens,
you know, yes.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yes, And I think now there is such a desire
to not hold people like my governor at least in
my case is the case I know very familiar with
accountable because Democratic leaders think that it'll make them look bad,
so there's so much selfishness here. I followed not just
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because I loved Janison, because I care about this tremendous
wrong that happened to so many families like yours. But
I wanted to see what he was going to do
with this interview on the Select Committee on COVID, and
I was surprised that the Democrats said anything critical that
shows the extent to which he did things really wrong,
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you know, forcing the nursing homes to accept these people,
lying about the numbers of debt related to nursing home,
the nursing home policy, and lying about his awareness, his
personal awareness of this policy, and lying about the extent
to which he knew the number of differentials. I mean,
as you may, you probably know, he's been referred for
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criminal prosecution by the House Select Committee. And I think
it's just kind of funny because we are where we
are in New York City to some extent, because there
is a concern amongst several people that Eric Adams cannot
be an effective independent leader. What you know, policy aside
that he cannot make decisions for the city as a
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whole because he's more concerned about his own personal you know,
potential issues with the you know, the Department of Justice
and the like.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
So how is that different exactly?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
That's where what I really want to drive One of
the things I really want to drive home is if
you think that is a problem, you know, some Turkish flights,
maybe some upgrades. I'm not demeaning these I'm not diminishing
these things. What do you think is going to happen
with a mayor of New York City who has been
found by the Biden DOJ to have harassed thirteen women
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who worked for him and created a sexually toxic environment.
A mayor of New York in andercuomo if he were
to win, which I don't think he's going to because
we're going to fight against it, but who has been
referred for criminal prosecution and for lying to Congress. So
what do you think is going to happen with a
man who has all of these outstanding judicial issues at
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the federal level? And what do you think is going
to happen there? You think you're going to have a
more independent leader than the guy who has some problems
with campaign finance.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Well, and these are all things that reflect on his leadership.
Like he's a known quantity. And I think that's the
thing that frustrates women. It's like when you have the receipts,
this guy is a known quantity. He did this in office,
and not only did he do things personally that were wrong,
but professionally also that we're wrong. He handled situations inappropriately
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as governor. How could you possibly hand him another elected position?
But there is power in that name, and that is
the scary thing is how manipulative that can be on
both sides, how manipulative these commercials are and the attacks
on the other side. And yet the media is not
coming out like you think they would and say, dude,
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come on, you've got it, You're done.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
There's a little too much stenography right now. And I
one thing that you know, people ask about poles. What
do you make of the few poles that have been
put out that put him ahead? Well, the best I
can tell, aside from the recent Quinnipiac poll, they were
all polls put out either by his campaign, people related
to him, or another campaign that benefits from painting him
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as the big, bad wolf. To be, so I think
that's totally irrelevant. The Quinnipiac piece. Basically, if someone has
one hundred percent name recognition and all they have on
the outset, when they're the only one of that name recognition,
they only have thirty percent support, that's not a good number.
And in a rank choice voting system, which is still
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new for us in New York, we're still trying to
understand it. The objective that I have and that others
like me have is one, make sure everyone does not
rank him because he's a monster.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I was watching some of your videos and for those
of us who are not, I was like, Okay, wait,
how does this exactly work? So do you have to
do you have to rank five because it can go
to five or how does that work?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yes? And and I try to explain it because this
is only our second mayor election we've had ranked choice voting,
and it is a little bit different. And I also
think that polling, even if it were completely independent, doesn't
factor in ranked choice voting at all. So at the
primary level, in this case, the Democratic primary, because I'm
a Democrat, we're talking man Andrew Cuomo. When people show
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up on the day of to vote, or they do
early voting, they're going to be presented with five slots
to fill for the mayor's position. And you know, we're
telling everyone. I think, you know, we just had I
just saw a letter come out this morning from over
one hundred and fifty Democratic elected Leaders committee members in
the city not to rank him. So that's the first objective,
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to not rank him as one of these five. But
then also, you know, and I'll explain why people need
to fill out all five of those slots in a
ranked choice voting system, particularly because there are so any
candidates and for those who are not in New York
are not familiar. Eric Adams won the current mayor and
one in the first ranked choice voting process in one
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of the very late rounds, and they he only won
by a few thousands, so we almost had a different mayor.
And when I say different rounds, they what is to
simplify what happens is, let's say you put your five
candidates on there, and your first candidate that you know
is the lowest, gets the lowest votes in the first
round of ranked choice vote counting, they're out. So then
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they go to all the people who put that person
who's out on first on their ballot, and they see
who their next first person is, and so all of
these things accumulate, and we need people to fill out
all five positions. So you know, some might say, lindsay
I only like Brad or I only like Zelner or
a different candidate. I'm only going to fill them out.
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It's really important that people fill out all five because
if you don't, and let's say you're two candidates that
you list, they're out immediately, your vote ends up not
counting for mayor. You don't end up having to say
for mayor. So it is a complicated system. I do
also think that that is in no way reflected and
polling right now. But it's going to be interesting, really
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hard to pull for. Yes, yeah, you can't. And I
will tell you this. This letter that I mentioned to
you was signed by you know, as I said, almost
two hundred individual leaders political clubs in the city. That's
a big deal to just have a letter entirely signed
about an anti Cuomo. And I would say the top
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you know, the five candidates that I have thus far
given public matching funds too, because I want someone to
beat him. That I am willing to have as mayor.
All of those five appear to be willing to coordinate
with other campaigns, and they're all saying, don't rank and
Puomo to a certain extent, and they're all saying, rank
five people and put us first, and then you can
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put these other people first. So I would suspect as
the primary goes on, you will not only continue to
see this Antiquomo message, but a big part of that
is going to be the candidates themselves sending anti Cuomo
and saying rink all five. And you know, maybe you
will see two candidates who are particularly aligned to do
a lot more together and the like, and that's how
he's going to be beat.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
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candidates are there?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
It is a lot. I don't know it, you know,
to a certain extent, unless it's a really wealthy like
Bloomberg as individual, which we don't have. In this race.
I really go by who will receive public matching funds.
It's an eight to one match and I think this
Thursday is the next filing deadline. So you know, as
I said, I've donated to five candidates I have on
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my list that I think would be really would be
good mayors and are viable in terms of the potential support.
So that's what I'm focused on. But there are more
than five. Wow.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Well, we are definitely going to be watching and we'll
continue to spread the news because I obviously I want
to support women and I think you, as I said,
I've experienced this, and for those of you listening, if
you don't know what it's like to be in an
office like this, talk to women in your life. I
promise you they've experienced it, and they will if they
listen to this podcast, they'll go, yeah, that is that's
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the conundrum. And also it's frustrating to me because you
know that this happens in I mean we hear about
it in DC all the time. Yes, And I would
also encourage people who are elected when they see other
elected people call it out, because you have the power.
It's different for someone outside of the staff to go, hey,
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knock it off. And that's meaningful to every woman out
there that's trying to actually make some of her career.
And it's so unfair to have your life's work robbed
from you because someone in power has that ability.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
And by the way, if it's a it's a notorious
predator like Andrew Cuomo, everyone around him knows it. So yeah,
everyone who was in a senior, you know, elected position
in Albany, they all knew this. I mean, unfortunately, before
I went to work for the state and the governor,
and maybe this would be the last thing I share.
It just very chilling. There's an organization called ABNEY, an
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Association for Better New York, and it brings together you know,
business leaders, real estate leaders, political leaders in the city.
And the woman who was the head of it at
the time I knew and I was friendly with, and
when I got the job, working my first job working
for the state, not directly for him, she said, be careful,
stay away from the governor. He has a women problem.
And I just had to kill a story in the
New York Times with him about him and women. And
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I didn't at the time focus on it because I
wasn't going to go work for him directly. It ended
up I was slowly broad into his you know, fish tank,
and unfortunately all the bad things happen to me. But
this is this man's abuse of women in particular, and
his abuse in general is an open story in any
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powerful New York circle that you know, and that is
what truly discussed me too. Well.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Thank you so much for coming out and sharing. I
know this is hard and I appreciate it. Lindsay Boylan,
thank you for coming on today.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Thank you, and I appreciate your time. We need to
get the word out and I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I agree, I agree, and thank you all for joining
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