May 24, 2024 • 21 mins
In this episode, Tudor interviews Courtney Kramer, the Republican district attorney nominee in Fulton County, Georgia. They discuss the upcoming election and the need for change in the district attorney's office. They highlight the issues of corruption, mismanagement of funds, and soft-on-crime policies under the current district attorney, Fani Willis. Kramer emphasizes the importance of restoring integrity and focusing on public safety. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Well, I know you
all have heard for sure about what's going on in
Georgia and the Fannie Willis case, and everybody thought, like,
who's going to put this person back into office? But
turns out they had their primary this past week, and
what do you know, she overwhelmingly wins the Democrat primary.
(00:21):
But the funny thing about it is no one really
expects a Republican to run in this race. So historically,
when you win the primary for this position in Fulton County,
you just automatically become the district attorney. However, in this case,
a Republican did run and she did win. So now
(00:44):
Fannie has a little bit of competition and I want
to bring her in. Her name is Courtney Kramer. She
is the Republican District attorney nominee in Fulton County, Georgia,
and she will be taking on Fannie Willis this fall.
So exciting. Courtney, thanks for.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Joining me, Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, absolutely so. I think it's funny because I read
this USA Today article, which of course was not going
to be like incredibly friendly, but it's like she has
to run, she has no chance. But she has to run.
But then the fascinating part to me is like, in
more than half a century, a Republican hasn't even run,
So why are they saying that there's no chance when
(01:23):
Georgia seems to be getting a little sick of this
kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I completely agree, and that's one of the reasons I
decided to step up and put my name on the ballot,
and you know, on this past primary, but especially in November.
It's also astounding to me that we haven't had a
Republican qualify in decades. And I'm going to venture to
say I'm probably one of the younger.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
People to qualify for DA.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I'm thirty years old, and I'm a female, but I'm
born and raised in Fulton County.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And over the.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Last couple of years, especially you know, just the given
the just the climate, the crime rate, just Fulton County
in general, well, I started to pay more and more
attention about what was going on in the DA's office,
and so I it was kind of the perfect race
at the perfect time. And I'm so sick of being
told who our next DA is going to be. As
(02:13):
many other citizens and voters in Fulton County also are
you know, like you said, we've just kind of been
told come November, it's just one name on the ballot
and you can write whoever else and that you want to,
But that's not really how our electoral process is supposed
to ever work. We have to have discourse, we have
to have diversity of thought. And I think that this is,
like I said, the perfect race of the perfect time,
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and I think Pulton County really needed a voice, especially
given just the mishappenings that are going on in the
current DA's office right now.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Well, I mean, this stuff that we've heard about Fannie
Willis is just crazy. And then that then her lover
shows up at her party, and I mean, she has
this celebration because she won the primary, and then that
guy shows up and everybody's like, what are you doing?
How can like it's just right in front of your face.
I mean, and this is the woman who ran saying
(03:02):
she was going to be really have all the moral
values and not ever have. I mean, that's the bizarre
thing to have to come out and say I will
never have an affair with someone in my office, and
then she does, and that whole thing is just banana's
But you brought up something you said, the crime rate
is out of control. Tell us what's going on in
Fulton County because we remember there were a lot of
complaints about what was happening in the Atlanta area and
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all you know, the little girl that was shot a
few years ago in a drive by shooting. What is
going on there? And why do they keep putting people
in these positions who clearly don't care about rule of law.
This is law fair. They're going after someone instead of
going after bad guys, they're going after political opponents.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Well correct toitor, And you know to go with that
is that you know write I believe you know, before
she was running for office, during her campaigns run for DA,
she kept promising, you know, the people of Fulton County.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
She was going to get Trump.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yeah, that's even becoming a conflict now she you know,
she's conflicted out to an extent. It's going to the
court of appeal. She can't even beford on that case.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
But how do people feel about that when they hear that, Like,
I mean, I really do want I think that most
people in the country wonder that exact thing, because she
ran on that. We see that this woman in New
York Letitia James ran on that we've got all of
these people who are running for office on the idea
that they will create a crime and match Trump to it.
(04:26):
How do people how are people interpreting that now a
few years later, after they've seen what these trials are like,
how do they feel about that comment?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Well, you know, I try to stay not not away
from it, just because and I've said it before on
many other news stations in USA.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Today reported on it.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I accuse myself, so my campaign is not about getting
in office.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And dismissing the case. I wouldn't even touch the case.
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
That's because you interned for the Trump White House just
I did.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Clear I didn't, and I was a litigation consultant on
the twenty twenty election case two as well. And that's
not you know, people try to act like it's some
big surprise that I've done that. That's very public, it's
very out there. I'm not scared to say that that's
what I did. I zealously advocated for my client, and
at the time that was President Trump, and I was
happy in all aspects I did to work on on
(05:17):
behalf of the president, especially if foreign president it's an
honor to do that going forward, I think though, you've
got to take away the political aspect out of the
DA's office.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
That's not happening right now.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
You have during the during the course of the special
grand jury that was convening, you know, there was about
seven hundred thousand dollars that Fannie will Is spent for
you know, her special prosecutor, her lover, Nathan Wade. And
that seven hundred thousand dollars could have easily been spent
on the four thousand untested rape kits we have right
now in Bolton County. It could be a little higher,
a little lower, but those those stats were what it
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was during that during this time last year, regardless, that's
an astonishing number.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And those people are out on the streets. So those
people are.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Going into other counties committing crimes, many rapes on you know,
you know, your friends, your loved ones, people, people are
affected by not just you know, one DA, but whatever
happened in Fulton County, it sends to all these other
metro Atlanta counties. And she's focusing right now. She in
her statement, she's saying she's prosecuting crimes. But you can
(06:18):
just see it that she that she's focused on why
Sel and she's focused on Trump, and she's focused on,
you know, evading the law. She's consistently said she's not
going to comply with Jim Jordan's congressional investigation.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
You have whistleblowers. You had one today. I think the
hearing is still going on here.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
In Georgia, there was a whistleblower and they had a
Senate hearing about it. How this whistleblower told her higher
ups in the DA's office that federal I guess it
was federal grant money, but some grant money that they
were receiving, that someone higher up than her wanted to
spend it. Someone higher up in this whistleblower was going
to spend it on computers, trips, and swag for the office,
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which is which is not allowed. And she decided to
let Fanni Willis know that that was what the money
was played being used for in Lo and Behold.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
A couple months later or so, she was fired from
the office.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
She worked in Paul Howard's office and continued through Fannie
Willis's administration. Her name is Amanda and she got fired
for basically trying to protect the office and make sure
they weren't going to do anything illegal. How is that,
you know, doing your job as a DA, it's not
protecting anyone.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You're not protecting your citizens. They're not protecting your staff either.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Well, what is happening with protecting citizens?
Because right now we're seeing some crazy things coming out
of Illinois. I think they're calling now they've changed the
name of offenders to justice impacted individuals. And we see
(07:44):
this happening across the country. And it's something that we've
talked about a lot on this program, is that we
need to start thinking about prosecutors, about das, about attorneys
general and those positions. We haven't taken them seriously in
the past. I believe in dem crowds have moved in
and they are soft on crime. Now we are we
are trying to coddle these criminals and we don't want
(08:06):
to use the word criminal or offender. We're changing the name.
Victims have got to be fed up with this is
are you seeing similar soft on crime policies out of
Fannie Willis's office?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
One hundred percent? And you can also just turn to
what's going on in the jail. You know, we should
never have jail desks like we had going on in
Fulton County. What are we doing the issues that we have,
We have you know, potential defendant defendants in there that
are just sitting in there waiting for a trial date.
You know, they they there are victims out there that
are waiting for these you know, offenders to uh go
(08:41):
to trial. But you also have the family members of
these defendants and of these offenders.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
You know, they essentially are victims too.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
At the end of the day, you know, everybody all
around here deserves justice, and that's not happening. You know,
she's focused on herself, her personal gain, climbing the political ladder.
She's not focused on making sure our streets are safe,
not making sure you know that the money in her
office is being allocated where it's supposed to be. She's
not hiring new adas and no one's really wanting to
(09:09):
go work for her office right now.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
That's a problem. And the people she's hiring. You have
to hire competent people. You have to hire.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yes, she won this election, which blows my mind that
she won in big numbers. She won this Democrat election
where they they she did have a primary challenge. It
wasn't like this was just a give me. But people
still must believe in her after all of this. Why
do people keep going back to someone who's been openly
(09:37):
blasted for corruption. I mean, she was literally coming out
out here saying, like you said, I'm going to take
down Donald Trump, and then the tables kind of turned
on her, and suddenly it was like, you are the
corrupt one. You're the one taking funds from the public.
She openly admitted to taking campaign funds and using them
for personal use, and yet she's got no investigation against her.
(10:00):
And even though that's that in and of itself is
breaking the law, she can now run to be the law.
I mean, it makes no sense to me.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Well, I think that what we've seen to and what
you're saying that you know, she's never been told no.
You know, people in these positions have never been told no,
They've never had really any competition or someone someone run
against them. They feel almost like they deserve that position.
And then once they get in that position, they feel
like they can do whatever they want and whatever they
feel is just. But that's not serving the people of
Fulton County in any way. The fact that Fulton County
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is now a household name across the country and across
the world is just crazy to be It shouldn't it
should never be like that. You don't hear about DA's
like this and other counties in Georgia. You only hear
about it right now because she's doing. What she's doing
is you know, arguably unethical. She's lying to her constituents
and she's arguably and there could be a case for
(10:53):
you know, stealing from taxpayer, you know, stealing taxpayer money.
She goes to these Border Commissioner meetings and she asks
for more money, but no, there's no transparency or accountability
to where that money is going to, you know, as
she testified on the stand, and you know, so rudely
testified and just was very inappropriate, I think in her
actions on the witness stand, especially to Judge McAfee, the
(11:13):
answer of the lawyers calling the defense lawyer liars, that's
ridiculous to me, And the behavior to show she thinks
she's above the law, she thinks she's above anyone calling
her out for what she's doing, and that is not
what your DA is supposed to be. I think that
you're going to start to see a shift. You are
starting to see a shift in Bolton County. You know,
everyone's like, how are you going to win? It's primarily Democrats. Yes,
I know, but the problem is here is that Democrat
(11:35):
days we have seen the last twelve fifteen years have
not served Bulon County. They have served themselves. And I
think that now it's time completely time for a change.
You can't do that anymore. I have not campaigned once
on the fact that I'm going to go after Biden
or I'm going to go after whoever it might be
for political reasons. No, I want to keep our streets safe.
I want to keep our community safe. I want to
put actual criminals away for actual crimes they commit. And
(11:58):
that is what you're supposed to be doing, you know, I.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Think, So how do you get that word out? Though?
I mean, I think Georgia and Michigan are similar in
the fact that the majority of Georgia is a red
state and then you end up in these highly populous centers,
and these the population centers of the state they vote
Democrat and you, I mean, you're talking about running for
a very specific position that people don't like they want this.
(12:23):
I don't believe that people want the soft on crime das,
but I believe that the das who are in there,
and that the people in power have convinced folks that
these are the people that are going to protect you.
When it's a total lie. How do you get the
information out? Because we have found this in Michigan that
it is very challenging to go to areas like Detroit
(12:44):
and Flint and have them those folks see you in
a light as like, oh yeah, maybe this person will
advocate for me. Whereas now I think if I were
to go there, and you know, maybe I'm being naive.
And maybe this is why we see Trump heading to
places like the and we see Trump going to the
bodega in Manhattan, and you know, maybe that's why we
(13:05):
see a change in people. Is that Republicans have historically
been like, Okay, here's the lines, this is where I
can go, and this is where I won't be accepted.
Is it just a matter of getting out into those areas.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I think that's definitely a factor in this race. And
Fulton County is seventy two miles long from north to south,
which is huge The race itself is over a million people.
It's bigger than any congressional district I believe in the country.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
It's massive. It's a ton of people.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I'm going to have to go from North full into
South Fulton to you know, east to West, all in Atlanta,
all in Buckhead, all in Midtown, and it's going to
be just getting out there, meeting those constituents, meeting those
voters and talking to them one on one. I have
no issue going down there. I'm from North Atlanta, I'm
from ALFARETD. I'm born and raised here, But that does
(13:51):
not mean that I can't go into those communities. I
went to law school at Emory, I've spent I used
to live in Midtown, you know, but there's I don't
live down there anymore because it's unsafe. But to get
your word out there, it's going to it's going to
cost a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Fundraising is going to be a big aspect of this race.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
And if anyone does want to donate, they can go
to Corneycramer dot com to do so. But it's going
to be going out there, reaching out to communities, going
to churches, going to different organizations and letting them know
that there is an alternative. The media has consistently up
to this point now just pinned me as a Trump lawyer.
And you know a lot of people don't like that,
and I understand that, but that's not what I'm campaigning on.
(14:29):
And the second I get out there and I actually
meet and.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Talk to these people, they'll see that.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
They'll actually see what I'm trying to, you know, trying
to campaign on, and that's, you know, seeking justice and seeking.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
To restore integrity back into this office.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. Do a lot of people say, though, oh,
you're just seeing an opportunity here, here's somebody who became
Fannie Willis, became really famous for going after Trump. Here
you are coming into a district that is a andst Trump.
(15:01):
You have this big hullabaloo going on with this court case,
and I'm sure people are saying, hey, you're just trying
to get in there and get the attention.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
What I would say to them is go run for office.
You know, it's not it's not a luxurious life to
can't always.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
The people who have never run for office who say
you're doing it for fame and fortune.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah, I don't think that anyone wants to run for
office and thinks they're going to be famous.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
You know, it's not going to be an easy road
at all.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
You put your life on hold on us, you open
yourself up to a massive scrutiny from all over the place,
from all over the country. You have to have tough skin,
and I think it takes a public servant's heart to
actually do this, especially my race, going into it knowing
that I am up against, you know, the biggest opponent
in the country, and this will be one of the
(15:52):
biggest races. That is one of the biggest races in
the country right now. It's an uphill battles, uphill climb.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
It's going to be extremely hard.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I don't think that if I was trying to see
fame or fortune or be an opportunist, that I would
run for this position. You know, go run for something else.
I have no idea what it is, because here's the
here's the thing I'm born to raise here. I love
full In County. I want everyone else to love full
In County the way I do. The only way to
do that is to make it safe again. You know,
that's the that is the you know, black and white
(16:20):
answer to it. And I kind of really gotten so
much push back on, like on people saying I'm trying
to be, you know, an opportunist.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I'm sure it will come.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I kind of get more people saying, oh, she's you know,
a blonde girl. She's never she's never gonna win, which
is absurd to me because I don't think your looks
qualify you, or don't qualify you from from running for office,
especially running for you know, an office that you're passionate about.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
And I think that, you know, going forward, people will
start to see that.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
And like I said, it's going to just be getting
out there, meeting people and sending my message to everybody
in the community.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
And I think people will really see my true colors.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
And every day that unfolds, you see Fannie Willis's true colors,
and they are not so pretty well.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
She's come out and attacked you and said you don't
have enough experience, you're not old enough, you can't do this.
You talked about being a young person going out there
and doing this, and obviously that is something that voters
struggle with. But what do you say when you talk?
I mean, and I'm not trying to get you to
come out here and bash Fannie Willis. We've all seen it.
We've all seen what she's done with the money, We've
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all seen what she's done with her personal life. We
all know that she's come out and openly said her
goal is to get Trump. And this is not something
that you want people running for office to, like I said,
go after their political opponent. This is insane. However, when
she comes after you and says you have no experience,
(17:47):
how do you counteract that, especially in communities that have
been strong Fannie Willis supporters.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
So one of the main roles of the DA's office
really and as the DA and people don't really understand this,
I don't think, is that you manage the office, you
have to know who to hire you have. You have
to hire people with prosecutorial experience. You know, she has
a couple of prosecution in her office that have that
that had never tried cases before, but she you don't
hear anyone's talking about them. You know, with the experience
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thing it is knowing how to manage your office appropriately,
know how to spend your resources wisely and spend them
and spend them appropriately.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
That hasn't happened.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
And like I said, with the experience thing, it's knowing
how to manage people and knowing who to hire and
hiring people with experience. You're supposed to be able to
surround you have to surround yourself with people who are educated,
who have experience, and that's exactly what I what I
will do. I have a handful of people who I
know that I would immediately tap to come join me
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in that office day one. Uh, that would absolutely do
this job willingly and with a servant's heart. And I
think that that's what people don't necessarily understand. Fannie keeps
going after me just about she doesn't have you know,
criminal you know, prostitution experience, da da da dah okay.
And I've never said I never I never said I did,
and that's that's not a lie. But what I what
(19:09):
I do have is experience in knowing how to manage
and lead people and how to ethically conduct myself in
a professional setting.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, I think that it. I mean, it's interesting to
watch how people will go after someone. But I mean
in the state of Michigan, I look at just the
Supreme Court, and I think the majority of the folks
on our Supreme Court have never sat on a bench
before in their life, and people don't ask those questions.
I think that this is one of those positions that
that folks run for, and I don't know that there
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is a lot of research done, so I would just
say that from my experience, I think the Democrats have
a strong ground game, and they have multiple people. It's
not just their candidate who's out there. They have a
strong ground game. They're getting the information out to people
in multiple different ways. And I just think that Republicans
need to up their game a little bit in these
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areas where there's been this indoctrination of you know, you
have to hate Republicans and one of the only people
that are gonna help you stay with us. Well, you
just have to tell the truth on them. But you
need people to actually be telling the truth on them. So,
so tell us a little bit about your website. I
know you you mentioned it earlier. Plug it one more time.
(20:19):
Let people know where they can find you.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
So Courtney Kramer dot com is my donation link, Courtneykramer
dot org. We're still getting them the two connected. Courtneykramer
dot org is my actual website, right now you can
go there. You can uh see my platform, see what
I'm running on. You can go sign up for our emails.
You can go sign up to be a doorknocker, get
a yard sign, uh send me a suggestion.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
You can go on.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
There also and see a bunch of the news articles
that have been published that I've been in or just
about my race in general. And I think if you
you know, if people go to that, that they would
see a lot more information than what they're hearing from
you know, the left wing media.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well good, Thank you so much. Hey, we appreci the
fact that you're willing to go out there and do this.
Like I said, I think this has to be the
next stage for Republicans stepping into races that are uncomfortable.
We cannot allow race to go more than half a
century without a Republican even entering in. So if you
can help Courtney Kramer, go out there and go to
our website and help her. If you are in Fulton County,
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you know who to vote for. Courtney. Thank you so
much for being on, Thank you so much for having
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Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Well, I know you
all have heard for sure about what's going on in
Georgia and the Fannie Willis case, and everybody thought, like,
who's going to put this person back into office? But
turns out they had their primary this past week, and
what do you know, she overwhelmingly wins the Democrat primary.
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But the funny thing about it is no one really
expects a Republican to run in this race. So historically,
when you win the primary for this position in Fulton County,
you just automatically become the district attorney. However, in this case,
a Republican did run and she did win. So now
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Fannie has a little bit of competition and I want
to bring her in. Her name is Courtney Kramer. She
is the Republican District attorney nominee in Fulton County, Georgia,
and she will be taking on Fannie Willis this fall.
So exciting. Courtney, thanks for.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Joining me, Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, absolutely so. I think it's funny because I read
this USA Today article, which of course was not going
to be like incredibly friendly, but it's like she has
to run, she has no chance. But she has to run.
But then the fascinating part to me is like, in
more than half a century, a Republican hasn't even run,
So why are they saying that there's no chance when
(01:23):
Georgia seems to be getting a little sick of this
kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I completely agree, and that's one of the reasons I
decided to step up and put my name on the ballot,
and you know, on this past primary, but especially in November.
It's also astounding to me that we haven't had a
Republican qualify in decades. And I'm going to venture to
say I'm probably one of the younger.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
People to qualify for DA.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I'm thirty years old, and I'm a female, but I'm
born and raised in Fulton County.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And over the.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Last couple of years, especially you know, just the given
the just the climate, the crime rate, just Fulton County
in general, well, I started to pay more and more
attention about what was going on in the DA's office,
and so I it was kind of the perfect race
at the perfect time. And I'm so sick of being
told who our next DA is going to be. As
(02:13):
many other citizens and voters in Fulton County also are
you know, like you said, we've just kind of been
told come November, it's just one name on the ballot
and you can write whoever else and that you want to,
But that's not really how our electoral process is supposed
to ever work. We have to have discourse, we have
to have diversity of thought. And I think that this is,
like I said, the perfect race of the perfect time,
(02:35):
and I think Pulton County really needed a voice, especially
given just the mishappenings that are going on in the
current DA's office right now.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Well, I mean, this stuff that we've heard about Fannie
Willis is just crazy. And then that then her lover
shows up at her party, and I mean, she has
this celebration because she won the primary, and then that
guy shows up and everybody's like, what are you doing?
How can like it's just right in front of your face.
I mean, and this is the woman who ran saying
(03:02):
she was going to be really have all the moral
values and not ever have. I mean, that's the bizarre
thing to have to come out and say I will
never have an affair with someone in my office, and
then she does, and that whole thing is just banana's
But you brought up something you said, the crime rate
is out of control. Tell us what's going on in
Fulton County because we remember there were a lot of
complaints about what was happening in the Atlanta area and
(03:25):
all you know, the little girl that was shot a
few years ago in a drive by shooting. What is
going on there? And why do they keep putting people
in these positions who clearly don't care about rule of law.
This is law fair. They're going after someone instead of
going after bad guys, they're going after political opponents.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Well correct toitor, And you know to go with that
is that you know write I believe you know, before
she was running for office, during her campaigns run for DA,
she kept promising, you know, the people of Fulton County.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
She was going to get Trump.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yeah, that's even becoming a conflict now she you know,
she's conflicted out to an extent. It's going to the
court of appeal. She can't even beford on that case.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
But how do people feel about that when they hear that, Like,
I mean, I really do want I think that most
people in the country wonder that exact thing, because she
ran on that. We see that this woman in New
York Letitia James ran on that we've got all of
these people who are running for office on the idea
that they will create a crime and match Trump to it.
(04:26):
How do people how are people interpreting that now a
few years later, after they've seen what these trials are like,
how do they feel about that comment?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Well, you know, I try to stay not not away
from it, just because and I've said it before on
many other news stations in USA.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Today reported on it.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I accuse myself, so my campaign is not about getting
in office.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And dismissing the case. I wouldn't even touch the case.
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
That's because you interned for the Trump White House just
I did.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Clear I didn't, and I was a litigation consultant on
the twenty twenty election case two as well. And that's
not you know, people try to act like it's some
big surprise that I've done that. That's very public, it's
very out there. I'm not scared to say that that's
what I did. I zealously advocated for my client, and
at the time that was President Trump, and I was
happy in all aspects I did to work on on
(05:17):
behalf of the president, especially if foreign president it's an
honor to do that going forward, I think though, you've
got to take away the political aspect out of the
DA's office.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
That's not happening right now.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
You have during the during the course of the special
grand jury that was convening, you know, there was about
seven hundred thousand dollars that Fannie will Is spent for
you know, her special prosecutor, her lover, Nathan Wade. And
that seven hundred thousand dollars could have easily been spent
on the four thousand untested rape kits we have right
now in Bolton County. It could be a little higher,
a little lower, but those those stats were what it
(05:50):
was during that during this time last year, regardless, that's
an astonishing number.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And those people are out on the streets. So those
people are.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Going into other counties committing crimes, many rapes on you know,
you know, your friends, your loved ones, people, people are
affected by not just you know, one DA, but whatever
happened in Fulton County, it sends to all these other
metro Atlanta counties. And she's focusing right now. She in
her statement, she's saying she's prosecuting crimes. But you can
(06:18):
just see it that she that she's focused on why
Sel and she's focused on Trump, and she's focused on,
you know, evading the law. She's consistently said she's not
going to comply with Jim Jordan's congressional investigation.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
You have whistleblowers. You had one today. I think the
hearing is still going on here.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
In Georgia, there was a whistleblower and they had a
Senate hearing about it. How this whistleblower told her higher
ups in the DA's office that federal I guess it
was federal grant money, but some grant money that they
were receiving, that someone higher up than her wanted to
spend it. Someone higher up in this whistleblower was going
to spend it on computers, trips, and swag for the office,
(06:54):
which is which is not allowed. And she decided to
let Fanni Willis know that that was what the money
was played being used for in Lo and Behold.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
A couple months later or so, she was fired from
the office.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
She worked in Paul Howard's office and continued through Fannie
Willis's administration. Her name is Amanda and she got fired
for basically trying to protect the office and make sure
they weren't going to do anything illegal. How is that,
you know, doing your job as a DA, it's not
protecting anyone.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You're not protecting your citizens. They're not protecting your staff either.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Well, what is happening with protecting citizens?
Because right now we're seeing some crazy things coming out
of Illinois. I think they're calling now they've changed the
name of offenders to justice impacted individuals. And we see
(07:44):
this happening across the country. And it's something that we've
talked about a lot on this program, is that we
need to start thinking about prosecutors, about das, about attorneys
general and those positions. We haven't taken them seriously in
the past. I believe in dem crowds have moved in
and they are soft on crime. Now we are we
are trying to coddle these criminals and we don't want
(08:06):
to use the word criminal or offender. We're changing the name.
Victims have got to be fed up with this is
are you seeing similar soft on crime policies out of
Fannie Willis's office?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
One hundred percent? And you can also just turn to
what's going on in the jail. You know, we should
never have jail desks like we had going on in
Fulton County. What are we doing the issues that we have,
We have you know, potential defendant defendants in there that
are just sitting in there waiting for a trial date.
You know, they they there are victims out there that
are waiting for these you know, offenders to uh go
(08:41):
to trial. But you also have the family members of
these defendants and of these offenders.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
You know, they essentially are victims too.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
At the end of the day, you know, everybody all
around here deserves justice, and that's not happening. You know,
she's focused on herself, her personal gain, climbing the political ladder.
She's not focused on making sure our streets are safe,
not making sure you know that the money in her
office is being allocated where it's supposed to be. She's
not hiring new adas and no one's really wanting to
(09:09):
go work for her office right now.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
That's a problem. And the people she's hiring. You have
to hire competent people. You have to hire.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yes, she won this election, which blows my mind that
she won in big numbers. She won this Democrat election
where they they she did have a primary challenge. It
wasn't like this was just a give me. But people
still must believe in her after all of this. Why
do people keep going back to someone who's been openly
(09:37):
blasted for corruption. I mean, she was literally coming out
out here saying, like you said, I'm going to take
down Donald Trump, and then the tables kind of turned
on her, and suddenly it was like, you are the
corrupt one. You're the one taking funds from the public.
She openly admitted to taking campaign funds and using them
for personal use, and yet she's got no investigation against her.
(10:00):
And even though that's that in and of itself is
breaking the law, she can now run to be the law.
I mean, it makes no sense to me.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Well, I think that what we've seen to and what
you're saying that you know, she's never been told no.
You know, people in these positions have never been told no,
They've never had really any competition or someone someone run
against them. They feel almost like they deserve that position.
And then once they get in that position, they feel
like they can do whatever they want and whatever they
feel is just. But that's not serving the people of
Fulton County in any way. The fact that Fulton County
(10:32):
is now a household name across the country and across
the world is just crazy to be It shouldn't it
should never be like that. You don't hear about DA's
like this and other counties in Georgia. You only hear
about it right now because she's doing. What she's doing
is you know, arguably unethical. She's lying to her constituents
and she's arguably and there could be a case for
(10:53):
you know, stealing from taxpayer, you know, stealing taxpayer money.
She goes to these Border Commissioner meetings and she asks
for more money, but no, there's no transparency or accountability
to where that money is going to, you know, as
she testified on the stand, and you know, so rudely
testified and just was very inappropriate, I think in her
actions on the witness stand, especially to Judge McAfee, the
(11:13):
answer of the lawyers calling the defense lawyer liars, that's
ridiculous to me, And the behavior to show she thinks
she's above the law, she thinks she's above anyone calling
her out for what she's doing, and that is not
what your DA is supposed to be. I think that
you're going to start to see a shift. You are
starting to see a shift in Bolton County. You know,
everyone's like, how are you going to win? It's primarily Democrats. Yes,
I know, but the problem is here is that Democrat
(11:35):
days we have seen the last twelve fifteen years have
not served Bulon County. They have served themselves. And I
think that now it's time completely time for a change.
You can't do that anymore. I have not campaigned once
on the fact that I'm going to go after Biden
or I'm going to go after whoever it might be
for political reasons. No, I want to keep our streets safe.
I want to keep our community safe. I want to
put actual criminals away for actual crimes they commit. And
(11:58):
that is what you're supposed to be doing, you know, I.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Think, So how do you get that word out? Though?
I mean, I think Georgia and Michigan are similar in
the fact that the majority of Georgia is a red
state and then you end up in these highly populous centers,
and these the population centers of the state they vote
Democrat and you, I mean, you're talking about running for
a very specific position that people don't like they want this.
(12:23):
I don't believe that people want the soft on crime das,
but I believe that the das who are in there,
and that the people in power have convinced folks that
these are the people that are going to protect you.
When it's a total lie. How do you get the
information out? Because we have found this in Michigan that
it is very challenging to go to areas like Detroit
(12:44):
and Flint and have them those folks see you in
a light as like, oh yeah, maybe this person will
advocate for me. Whereas now I think if I were
to go there, and you know, maybe I'm being naive.
And maybe this is why we see Trump heading to
places like the and we see Trump going to the
bodega in Manhattan, and you know, maybe that's why we
(13:05):
see a change in people. Is that Republicans have historically
been like, Okay, here's the lines, this is where I
can go, and this is where I won't be accepted.
Is it just a matter of getting out into those areas.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I think that's definitely a factor in this race. And
Fulton County is seventy two miles long from north to south,
which is huge The race itself is over a million people.
It's bigger than any congressional district I believe in the country.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
It's massive. It's a ton of people.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I'm going to have to go from North full into
South Fulton to you know, east to West, all in Atlanta,
all in Buckhead, all in Midtown, and it's going to
be just getting out there, meeting those constituents, meeting those
voters and talking to them one on one. I have
no issue going down there. I'm from North Atlanta, I'm
from ALFARETD. I'm born and raised here, But that does
(13:51):
not mean that I can't go into those communities. I
went to law school at Emory, I've spent I used
to live in Midtown, you know, but there's I don't
live down there anymore because it's unsafe. But to get
your word out there, it's going to it's going to
cost a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Fundraising is going to be a big aspect of this race.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
And if anyone does want to donate, they can go
to Corneycramer dot com to do so. But it's going
to be going out there, reaching out to communities, going
to churches, going to different organizations and letting them know
that there is an alternative. The media has consistently up
to this point now just pinned me as a Trump lawyer.
And you know a lot of people don't like that,
and I understand that, but that's not what I'm campaigning on.
(14:29):
And the second I get out there and I actually
meet and.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Talk to these people, they'll see that.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
They'll actually see what I'm trying to, you know, trying
to campaign on, and that's, you know, seeking justice and seeking.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
To restore integrity back into this office.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. Do a lot of people say, though, oh,
you're just seeing an opportunity here, here's somebody who became
Fannie Willis, became really famous for going after Trump. Here
you are coming into a district that is a andst Trump.
(15:01):
You have this big hullabaloo going on with this court case,
and I'm sure people are saying, hey, you're just trying
to get in there and get the attention.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
What I would say to them is go run for office.
You know, it's not it's not a luxurious life to
can't always.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
The people who have never run for office who say
you're doing it for fame and fortune.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah, I don't think that anyone wants to run for
office and thinks they're going to be famous.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
You know, it's not going to be an easy road
at all.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
You put your life on hold on us, you open
yourself up to a massive scrutiny from all over the place,
from all over the country. You have to have tough skin,
and I think it takes a public servant's heart to
actually do this, especially my race, going into it knowing
that I am up against, you know, the biggest opponent
in the country, and this will be one of the
(15:52):
biggest races. That is one of the biggest races in
the country right now. It's an uphill battles, uphill climb.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
It's going to be extremely hard.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I don't think that if I was trying to see
fame or fortune or be an opportunist, that I would
run for this position. You know, go run for something else.
I have no idea what it is, because here's the
here's the thing I'm born to raise here. I love
full In County. I want everyone else to love full
In County the way I do. The only way to
do that is to make it safe again. You know,
that's the that is the you know, black and white
(16:20):
answer to it. And I kind of really gotten so
much push back on, like on people saying I'm trying
to be, you know, an opportunist.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I'm sure it will come.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I kind of get more people saying, oh, she's you know,
a blonde girl. She's never she's never gonna win, which
is absurd to me because I don't think your looks
qualify you, or don't qualify you from from running for office,
especially running for you know, an office that you're passionate about.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
And I think that, you know, going forward, people will
start to see that.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
And like I said, it's going to just be getting
out there, meeting people and sending my message to everybody
in the community.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
And I think people will really see my true colors.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
And every day that unfolds, you see Fannie Willis's true colors,
and they are not so pretty well.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
She's come out and attacked you and said you don't
have enough experience, you're not old enough, you can't do this.
You talked about being a young person going out there
and doing this, and obviously that is something that voters
struggle with. But what do you say when you talk?
I mean, and I'm not trying to get you to
come out here and bash Fannie Willis. We've all seen it.
We've all seen what she's done with the money, We've
(17:26):
all seen what she's done with her personal life. We
all know that she's come out and openly said her
goal is to get Trump. And this is not something
that you want people running for office to, like I said,
go after their political opponent. This is insane. However, when
she comes after you and says you have no experience,
(17:47):
how do you counteract that, especially in communities that have
been strong Fannie Willis supporters.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
So one of the main roles of the DA's office
really and as the DA and people don't really understand this,
I don't think, is that you manage the office, you
have to know who to hire you have. You have
to hire people with prosecutorial experience. You know, she has
a couple of prosecution in her office that have that
that had never tried cases before, but she you don't
hear anyone's talking about them. You know, with the experience
(18:16):
thing it is knowing how to manage your office appropriately,
know how to spend your resources wisely and spend them
and spend them appropriately.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
That hasn't happened.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
And like I said, with the experience thing, it's knowing
how to manage people and knowing who to hire and
hiring people with experience. You're supposed to be able to
surround you have to surround yourself with people who are educated,
who have experience, and that's exactly what I what I
will do. I have a handful of people who I
know that I would immediately tap to come join me
(18:48):
in that office day one. Uh, that would absolutely do
this job willingly and with a servant's heart. And I
think that that's what people don't necessarily understand. Fannie keeps
going after me just about she doesn't have you know,
criminal you know, prostitution experience, da da da dah okay.
And I've never said I never I never said I did,
and that's that's not a lie. But what I what
(19:09):
I do have is experience in knowing how to manage
and lead people and how to ethically conduct myself in
a professional setting.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, I think that it. I mean, it's interesting to
watch how people will go after someone. But I mean
in the state of Michigan, I look at just the
Supreme Court, and I think the majority of the folks
on our Supreme Court have never sat on a bench
before in their life, and people don't ask those questions.
I think that this is one of those positions that
that folks run for, and I don't know that there
(19:38):
is a lot of research done, so I would just
say that from my experience, I think the Democrats have
a strong ground game, and they have multiple people. It's
not just their candidate who's out there. They have a
strong ground game. They're getting the information out to people
in multiple different ways. And I just think that Republicans
need to up their game a little bit in these
(19:59):
areas where there's been this indoctrination of you know, you
have to hate Republicans and one of the only people
that are gonna help you stay with us. Well, you
just have to tell the truth on them. But you
need people to actually be telling the truth on them. So,
so tell us a little bit about your website. I
know you you mentioned it earlier. Plug it one more time.
(20:19):
Let people know where they can find you.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
So Courtney Kramer dot com is my donation link, Courtneykramer
dot org. We're still getting them the two connected. Courtneykramer
dot org is my actual website, right now you can
go there. You can uh see my platform, see what
I'm running on. You can go sign up for our emails.
You can go sign up to be a doorknocker, get
a yard sign, uh send me a suggestion.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
You can go on.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
There also and see a bunch of the news articles
that have been published that I've been in or just
about my race in general. And I think if you
you know, if people go to that, that they would
see a lot more information than what they're hearing from
you know, the left wing media.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well good, Thank you so much. Hey, we appreci the
fact that you're willing to go out there and do this.
Like I said, I think this has to be the
next stage for Republicans stepping into races that are uncomfortable.
We cannot allow race to go more than half a
century without a Republican even entering in. So if you
can help Courtney Kramer, go out there and go to
our website and help her. If you are in Fulton County,
(21:20):
you know who to vote for. Courtney. Thank you so
much for being on, Thank you so much for having
me absolutely, and thank you all for joining the Tutor
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