June 30, 2025 • 52 mins
In this episode, Dr. Eithan Haim discusses the implications of transgender surgeries for minors, the role of informed consent, and the psychological effects of transitioning. He shares his experience as a whistleblower exposing unethical practices at Texas Children's Hospital and emphasizes the importance of parental involvement in medical decisions. The conversation also touches on the legal and ethical challenges within the healthcare system, the power dynamics in medical institutions, and the need for more whistleblowers to protect children's rights. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We wanted to chat about something that recently happened. There
was a decision from the Supreme Court that said that
the state of Tennessee was actually able to uphold a
ban on transgender surgeries for miners. So I wanted to
find someone who could chat about this. And there is
a doctor in Texas who was very brave and came
(00:23):
out and it was a whistleblower on the Texas Children's Hospital.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Who was exposed.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
He exposed them for performing sex change surgeries on miners
after they announced that they would.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Stop those surgeries.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So doctor Aton him, thank you so much for joining
me today.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
First off, I want to say having gone through what
you did, because I think it's bigger than just being
a whistleblower. And this is something that I think people
need to understand, is that you came out And were
you a resident at the time.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, so, I was a surgical resident at Baylor College Medicine.
And one the hospitals that we spend the most time
working at is Texas Children's Hospital. You know which really
is It's one of the most amazing hospitals in the
world because of what they can do for these sick kids.
But the administration in this clinic, what they were doing
was just egregious. And when the Supreme Court decision especially
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is you know, it was very important for me. It
was a very big deal because I blew the I
blew the whistle anonymously right May sixteenth, twenty twenty three,
exposing this fact this was happening at TCH. And then
the next day, Texas passed SB fourteen, which was the
law that would ban these gender interventions for children. So
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within twenty four hours of this story coming out, what
we had exposed was made illegal in the state of Texas.
And this Supreme Court decision what was going to impact
that law? So it was you know, it was following
it very closely. And yeah, I played a big part
in this story.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
So this Supreme Court decision and came out, it was
interesting to me because you saw Democrats just kind of
losing their minds. They were all on the news going saying,
how could you do this? How could you take away
these rights from children. It's hard for me to even
talk about I am someone I've said on the program
many times, who I'm a breast cancer survivor, so I've
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gone through a double mistectomy.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I see that they do this to fifteen year old girls.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And I just think, what a nightmare that these children
have no idea what the lifelong impact of this is.
And I heard you talking about this, and you said,
you know, we have these these medications, and these are
some of the most severe, highly.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
The most powerful ever created, most powerful of medicine. It's true,
it's true. It's it's insane.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
And I found that interesting because it is because it
changes who you are, and it goes into your body,
and your hormones regulate your entire system. And I think
people don't understand your hormones regulate your entire system. And
they also this is a critical moment for these kids
because their bodies are changing, and these people want to
force this upon children who can't make this decision for themselves.
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On top of that, you're also getting these these surgeries,
which I've talked to some kids that have detransitioned it,
and they believe that it is.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
They are butchered on purpose.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
There's some sort of weird gratification of these surgeons doing this,
And I just want to know what do you think
about that you.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Know, it's you know how it is right, you had
to double missect me. And that's really one that I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Look the way those pictures look. That's the shocking thing
to me when I see these kids that have this
hideous scar across their chest. But that's not what I
look like.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
And you know, I remember doing, you know, doing these
surgeries and residency and when you talk to these women
and go through the informed consent process, it's such an
important thing because they're losing their breasts. It's a part
of them, right, It's what they had, how they took
care of their babies. Right, it's part of their natural being,
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and you're removing that. In your case, you had breast cancer.
There's a reason for it, Like when the doctor is saying,
you know, you have to have the surgery because you just.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Said something so critical. You talked about what it meant
to these women, this emotional discussion that you had with them,
and you said, this is how they took care of
their babies, you know what, because they had that chance.
And I went through all of that. I found out
that I had cancer when I was still nursing my twins.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I was still going through that part of life.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And I know women who have had this when they
have little babies and they have to make that decision
do I just do this now and we cut that
off and if I have more children that won't be
a part of that story, or they do it before
they have children, but they are adults making that decision
and knowing that this changes who they are, It changes
who they were.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
A part of them is no longer there as an adult.
That's hard, and that's.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Why the role of the doctor is so important because
whenever you do anything to anyone, a medication, a surgery, anything,
you understand that the potential of that thing to be
therapeutic can also be destructive, which is why the principle
of medicine is do no harm. Right. It's not like
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the military where it's like defend the constitution or police,
you know, protect and serve. These are like positive things
like things you do in medicine. It's do no harm.
It's a warning. It's saying, don't screw this up, right,
because there has to be this inherent caution in what
we do. If we do something to anyone, there has
to be a good reason. And in these general interventions,
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what more people are waking up to know, which has
been true all along, is that it's completely fraudulent, right,
what they're telling these people is not true. The idea
that this decreases the risk of people killing themselves was
always lie. They never had any studies to support that.
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But plus, it makes no sense. You can't just give
a confused kid blockers a bunch of hormones and do
surgery on them and then tell them for the rest
of their life. They have to lie and expect that
person to be in a better state of mental health
of us.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
So that was something that I thought was key to
of what you said, because you're saying these are the
most powerful medications we give for disease, and that is
to solve a medical problem. And I know some of
the lupron and everything is given to women who are
trying to get pregnant there and they understand this is
I remember when my aunt was on that and it
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was just really hard on her.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
As an adult, it was very hard on her. It
took her.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Through mood swings and every it just changes. It's changing
your hormones. This changes who you are, and it was
very challenge. But that there was a that was a
temporary fix to get to a solution and then move on.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
This is life that these kids are on this.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
But the point that you made was this is something
that we treat disease with.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I was a psych major. I know how we.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Studied these these mental illnesses. And it was not there's
not a solution, that's the problem. It wasn't like, well, okay,
if you have a broken arm, you said it and
it's fixed. If you have gender dysphoria, changing this person's
gender and causing all different medical issues for them does
not make them mentally healthy.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, and it's not even possible to change gender. It's
just changing physical characteristics and then depriving that person of
their natural hormones and then giving them the hormones of
the opposite sex. It's like the and in this case,
this idea that it's their gender identity that's not a
sign that birth quote unquote right, Like it's it's a
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biological fiction, you know. It's what they're telling these patients
is not true. That's why I like the informed consent issue.
People say, well, kids can't consent, Well, it's their parents
who consent. But no patient can consent. No parent consent,
can't consent to their child if they're being misinformed by
their doctor. Right, Like if it's like if someone did
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double mass sect me and the patient didn't have cancer,
but the doctor told them they have cancer. Even if
they signed the form, you couldn't say that's informed consent
because the patient was being deceived. And and you know,
to see three justices on the Supreme Court and in
sod of my oors dissent, it's not even bad logic.
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It's not like it's a few degrees away from what's true.
It's anti logic. It's the intentional manipulation of reason and
objective reality in order to ensure that healthy young children
are mulated, sterilized and their lives destroyed. And to think
that three people on the highest court of this country
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had dissented to preventing that is absolutely shocking because in
our country this is an eighty twenty issue. On the
Supreme Court, this is a sixty six percent issue.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I mean, And in other countries this has been stopped
and other countries have said this is not the right answer.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
This should not be done to children.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And you know what, people do weird experimental things all
the time when they're adults. I've seen people get horns
in their head and everything else under the sun. And
if you want to do something bizarre to your body
as an adult, I guess there's someone out there that's
going to do it to you.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I really don't understand how legally a doctor can do
this with this what they call bottom surgery, because I
have heard so many nightmare stories about these men who
have their genitals changed over to look like women's and
(10:06):
there are endless incontinent issues, and I mean there's never
a good story.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
There's almost never that you hear.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, it was just a beautiful transition for me.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
You know, it's to really understand what it means, like
quote unquote bottom surgery. The whore only becomes greater the
more you understand, because like these are areas that you know,
I operated right the when you remove the penis, right,
you have to remove the penis, the testicles. You have
to create a womb cavity in between the bladder and
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the rectum. That is a very dangerous area to operate
because you have all this healing tissue in this womb cavity.
Whenever you have healing tissue in the body, what's going
to happen is it tends to form fiscial attracts, which
is just a connection, you know, So that can happen
between this new cavity in the bladder or this new
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wound cavity like.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
A scar tissue connection or something.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah. Yeah, so you can pour stool out of your
new you know, quote unquote neovagiana, which is just a
massive wound. And I deal with these issues in cases
in other diseases like diverticulitis or cancer. Yeah, so people
will urinate full pieces of stool, you know, and chronic UTIs.
(11:25):
I mean, this is what they live with. But the
people I take care of, they have this problem because
of a physiological disease. The kids who have this problem,
adults who are manipulated into having their doctrines do this
to them. They were deceived into it.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I so I don't understand, Like this is going to
get really graphic. But I have never.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Understood because I assume that if you want to change gender,
you want if you're a man and you want to
be a woman, you still want to have a relationship
with someone, Like at some point this person still has
that natural desire to have a connection with another human being,
maybe a physical relationship, maybe a marriage someday. And I
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know that after my surgery, you're cutting through.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Nerves that you don't feel. I don't have the sensation
that I had before.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I cannot imagine what it's like in the bottom surgery,
as they call it, because do you have any How
do you not cut through all the nerves? How do
you have any feeling after that? And that to me
is like that's a critical part of having sex with someone.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I as a surgeon, I can't I really can't even fathom.
It's something that's so truly horrifying too, you know, because
for me it's something very meaningful because every time I
bring a patient to an operating room, right, a lot
of times, if it's an emergency case or something, you know,
maybe only you have twenty minutes to get to know them.
And even in these cases, these surgeons only meet these
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people for a certain period's time.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yes, yeah, that's what people don't know your surgeon. You
don't spend a lot of time with.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
And then when you bring them to an operating room,
they are unconscious, they're naked, they're paralyzed, they're strapped to
a bed, they're surrounded by strangers. All those strangers have
very sharp objects, and that surgeon is going to cut
into your body and change you permanently. So if as
a surgeon, when you bring someone to an operating room,
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you have to make sure the reason you're bringing them
is damn good. You have to make sure that they
know that there are benefits of whatever you're doing to
them outweigh the risks. And if you violate that person's
trust and you do something to them that that was
not needed, that's something that's horrifying. Because things go wrong
in the operating room. You know, things go really wrong.
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People can die, people can die afterwards. But to bring
them into a surgery that had no potential benefit, to
put them into that situation where there's there's no way
they can benefit, is I mean, that's the reason I
put everything in the line. Ten years in prison.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I was talking no benefit.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I mean what you're telling me and what my mind
has been able to wrap itself around when I hear
about these surgeries, it's not just no benefit.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
This is lifelong pain.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
It's it's anti benefit, it's anti medicine, this is the
introduction of disease, this is the definition of iatrogenesis, which
is doctor induced damage. This is uh, it's something that
is unfathomable in like the world of some of so
called enlightenment, right, it's truly because at least.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
It's so hard to get people to see this though,
because people have come out and they, i mean people
have killed themselves because of these surgeries. We've had multiple
people point out they've followed somebody on Reddit who's gone
through this journey. And a lot of times when this happens,
people do document the journey publicly, and oftentimes they're documenting
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the journey publicly up to the moment because there's so
much excitement around it and there's so much encouragement to
do it. You see these young people who are sixteen, seventeen,
eighteen years old and they have an entire community that
suddenly comes around them at a moment when life is
just hard. You're going through so many things, and we
talked about what those hormones.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Do to you.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
They do mess with your brain at that point in
your life, because you're growing, you're changing. Hormones are not
something you want to mess with. And these kids get
into a place where they feel alone and then suddenly
they get into this online community where people are like, fantastic,
you get to be a part of what we are
and now you will change your body too. And then
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when they go through the surgery, the documentation continues and
it becomes so much darker.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, and I've taken care of a number of patients,
people who I who believe that they're transgender after they
try to commit suicide. People jumping in front of trains,
people trying and blow their heads off of shotguns, swallowing
razor blades and these things happen down the road. It's horrifying.
And to see the end result. And I think the reason,
to go back to your original question, like, why is
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it so difficult for people to see it right? I
think people bought into it in the beginning because it's
something you can't conceive, right. The doctor's, major medical organizations,
the government, they were unanimous in supporting it. And now
the reality of it people are waking up to and
they have to come to terms with the fact that
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they were complicit and one of the greatest crimes against
children in the history of medicine. The severity of that
is so profound for an individual to truly acknowledge that.
I believe the people who drove this, the people who
had defended it, there's no way for them to ever
come back, because if they truly self reflect on what
they've done, I believe that like self reflection is going
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to lead to their self immolation because imagine if that
was you. Imagine if the people you were calling monsters,
you know, the people you were saying, you know, we're
the ones who wanted to damage and harm these kids,
when it was actually you who was harming him. Right?
Is there anything more evil than that? And how many
innocent parents were sucked into this road and told to
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believe it. You know, it's I mean, it's the most
vicious thing.
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I have seen my kids grow up and go through
so many different phases of life. I mean, for kids,
you watch the different things that they like and the
personalities that they are.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
And I mean we've gone through.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Princesses to anime, to Harry Potter, to you know, Tom Boys,
to sparkles and makeup and everything. I mean, and it's
always forever changing. And I mean, I can look back
on my own life and I remember my gosh, I
remember having a pager and you know, skater jeans and
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big baggy flannels, and I wouldn't wear that now, you know.
But there are those things that you kids go through
phases where they find something to be incredibly cool, and
then you look back on it you go, gosh, I
can't believe that. I mean, my one daughter was like, mom,
please take everything Harry Potter out of my room.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
And and you know, at.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
That time, gosh, she could have been tattooed in Harry Potter.
She loved it so much, you know. And I'm not
trying to make.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Light of this.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I just why can't we have that conversation that kids
go through phases and there are not this many transgender
kids in the world, and it is documented. I mean,
this is the crazy part, Timmy. It is documented in
the DSM that this is a the gender dysphoria exists,
but it is incredibly rare and it has always been
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in there and it has always been incredibly rare, and
there is no chance that there has been this sudden
search in this one mental disorder.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
And just for the record, I still do have a pager, so.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You are in a little bit different situation. I was
probably like typing hello in numbers.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah, And you know, I think like, why can't we
have this conversation about like you know this, These are phases,
and these are children and even for adults. Right, people
can go through hard times and look for comfort in
a community. The reason we can't have those conversations that
people are so antagonistic towards it is because to open
the door for their own mistakes is going to open
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the door for something very very dark. And that's why
I think, you know, going to the future of this issue, right,
like where we go from here? These people are not
going to give up right now.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
How do you find it? How do you fight it?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
This is the way you do it. So this is
something you know of course. Now, the FEDS when they
came after me, when they wanted to send me to
prison for ten years, right when they when the prosecutor threatened.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
My blowing the whistle, they wanted to throw you in prison.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah, yeah, when they threatened my wife. My wife had
just been hired as a prosecutor with a Department of
Justice and in Dallas, and the first call, the prosecutor
threatened my wife and said, you know, you know, she's
not going to have any problems unless she continues to
become difficult, right, because she was gosh what that's yeah,
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I mean, she was undergoing a background check, and my
wife had advised me to not speak with the agents
when they first came to my home. Right. That was
the first thing she told my attorneys in that call,
and that's documented by my attorneys sent that to Congress,
so that's on the record. Well, no, I mean, you know,
like the prosecutor, her whole family was embedded with TCH
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and Baylor College Medicine. You know, she, uh, withdrew yourself
from the case right after I exposed these conflicts. So
in TCCH and Baylor College Medicine, weere the victims in
the indictment. Not that they were talking about patients, but
that's kind of a separate issue. But you know, they
they tried to destroy my life, right, and so I
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did everything I could fight back, and in that process, uh,
you know, they they changed who I was. Right, They
had given me a purpose to in this fight to
try to end it because I saw what these people
are capable of. So what do we do from here? Right? Like,
how do we fight it? I think there's a few avenues.
There's a couple of very very discreet things you can
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do to really inflict some massive victories. So if you
look at you know, some of the literature in the
transgender medicine circles, right, a lot of them. What they
do is the when whenever you treat something as a doctor,
you have to have two things a diagnosis code, treatment code.
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Those two things have to make sense. Appendicitis appendectomy right
for these quote unquote gender firm and care, it's gender
dysphoria and then hormones surgery whatever. Right, that's that's like
the idea. But say you're in a red state and
they pass a law to ban it, or maybe you're
in a blue state. You work at a children's hospital.
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Your hospital will lose funding if you're doing this to children.
How do you conceal it? Right? How do you conceal
these things? Well, you know these organizations have documents online
to show you how to conceal it, how to commit
medical frauds something people go to prison for. So right,
for example, you know, you want to prescribe a boy
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estrogen for you know, for because he believes is transgender.
How do you do that in a red state and
not get caught? Well, in the medical chart you document
he's a female. Right, you can do that in an epic.
You can do that in any chart. And then for
the diagnosis code, what do you say estrogen deficiency? Right?
When the insurance company sees that they see female estrogen
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deficiency treatment CPT code.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
That insurance fraud.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
That's insurance fraud. So these organizations have have like documents
to uh to explain how to do that. For for
a mass sectimy, how do you do that? Right? Girl?
You she's a woman, you say in the medical chart
she's a male. Right, diagnosis code guid in coomassia treatment
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breast reduction, mass sectomy. So insurance company sees male guindic
comasia breast reduction or you know, breast tissue removal. So yeah,
that's that's a crime. That's a federal crime. People get
a prison for that. And this is not something that like,
you know, I'm just making up, but the Attorney General
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of Texas has is going after three doctor for these
same exact schemes, which he alleges is true. They have
to go through a case and prove the facts. But
I mean, I can't tell you necessarily details. But I've
spoken to on these doctors, or was on a conversation
where one of these doctors had admitted this themselves.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
That powerful you talk about these organizations, I assume it's
similar to what we see with some of these groups
that are promoting political ideologies. I mean, to me, this
is a political ideology that just happens to cut into children,
which is disgusting. But you talk about these groups that
teach them how to do this. How powerful are these groups?
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Because what we find on the political side is that
there's a massive amount of money behind this.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
So how powerful and why are they powerful?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
And so they're very powerful because they have the money,
and especially they're even more powerful and they protect the
protect the doctors in blue states, you know, for example,
doctors and blue states they have to turn generals, they
have the state prosecutors. So how can we uncover these
crimes and make these doctors much less likely to do
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this to kids? And what we need is whistleblowers or
there's also banks of data that can look at insurance
coding for every doctor in the country, you can look to.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
See, yeah, that's interesting, and then you could find a pattern.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Oh yeah, yeah. So for example, Do No Harm had
released a database called Stop the Harm that looked at
all the surgeries for children in the country using the
diagnosis code of gender dysphoria. But that doesn't count all
the fraudulent diagnosis codes. So you use that data bank.
You look at patterns over a period of time before
January twentieth, twenty twenty five after January twenty twenty twenty five.
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If you see a certain pattern where there's an increase
in for example, estrogen in defficiency. Sasare in defficiency, endocrine abnormality,
unspecified post surgical hypoconatas. These are all ICD codes which
are used to conceal the fact that Jender Firm and
Care quote unquote is done for children. So they're powerful.
These organizations Blue Stage are powerful. But we have the
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federal government. There's a Department of Justice. These are federal
crimes which are easily definable, easily provable, and so there's
group of people, you know, myself being one of those
who are working on making sure this is exposed to
allow the DOJ to pursue prosecutions.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
So we have a situation in Michigan. I've talked about
it on the podcast before.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
When Michigan, you know, I was just talking to a
couple people state people in Michigan who are in your legislature.
So yeah, you'll see something coming.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Good because in Michigan, we also get locked out of
our child's medical report after twelve years old. When the
kid turns twelve.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Twelve years old. Wait, hold on twelve years old? How's
that pot twelve? You can't see anything.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
No, I want it.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
California, New York, Michigan. I think there's other states too.
Something in federal law change and these states came in
and said, okay, like the my chart. I don't know
if you guys have my chart. My chart, so my chart.
I no longer have access to my child's my chart
once they turned twelve in the state of Michigan. So
my daughter had My daughter turned twelve on June fifth.
(28:22):
She had a medical test done on June eleventh. I'm
driving home and it hits me. I'm like, oh my gosh,
I can't get into her chart. She has to sign
me over as her medical proxy. And then I can
see limited stuff. I can't even see big stuff, but
I can see limited stuff like blood tests and things.
So I called the doctor's office and I say, because
she had this at a specialist, I have to go
(28:43):
to her pediatrician. I call the office and I say, hey,
she just turned twelve. Can we come in and sign this?
And they said, you can sign it on September tenth
when she has her well child visit September tenth, and
I said, are you nuts?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I would like to see her. We just had all
this test done. I'd like to see them.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
And they said, I'm sorry, we can't make an appointment
just to get your child to sign a medical proxy.
You can hear you can, so she can't. The kicker
is she can't have her my chart either. She doesn't
have an email or anything. She can't get into her
my chart. She is too young to have on my chart.
So I cannot get the medical tests that we were
(29:20):
just run on her because she has not signed me
over as medical proxy.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I don't even know where to start we have.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I talked to the pediatrician's office about this, and she
said there are kids in town who have STDs and
they cannot tell the parents that the kids have STDs
because they have they don't have their they have not
been signed over as medical proxy, and the kids don't
want to tell the parents that they have STDs. So
she said, I have kids that will have permanent damage
because they are not getting treated for an STD that
(29:50):
they have because they are afraid to tell their parents.
Their parents don't know that they came in here, we
tested them, and I know they're sick, and their parents
don't get to know.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
I that's so crazy. I uh, there's so many problems
with that. I I can't I've never honestly, I've never
heard that. That's the craziest thing in the world, because,
like you know, I mean I take care of some kids.
You know, if there's like a twelve thirteen year old
who's like a little bit bigger pretty much an adult,
(30:19):
right like surgically you know, in some instance, but I
to think, like pathology, lass, I mean, how you get
I would think the kid, even the kid, if they're
how could they access it? Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
It's a horror show.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
And it just it was just implemented a few years ago,
and it shocks me that more people don't just go
crazy over this. I mean, I'm like, how is it possible?
So the doctor refers me to a specialist because she's like, oh,
your daughter is at the one percent point of the
growth chart. We might have to have an intervention, but
I will not know until September.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Why how can this be?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yeah? That's uh, you know, you're like.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Don't found it because how could this be? This is
Democrat policy.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeah, I feel like I should have something to say,
but I'm like you, I feel the same way. That's
that's the crazy thing.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
So we need doctors like you to become active on
things like this. And I'm I'm actually serious because I
feel like there's so much of this type of stuff
going on because these laws are getting passed and parents
aren't aware, and then parents are suddenly in a position
where they're vulnerable, they can't help their own child, or
their child is getting pushed into something. And to me,
(31:37):
this is being done so that they can do the abortions,
so that they can manage the getting them the birth control,
but also for transgender surgeries, because I believe that.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
There is so much money in that that is just
too tempting.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, because you know, I mean It's like I'm just thinking,
like we you know, sometimes you do surge around kids
for cancer and when the pathology comes back and to
make sure that you kind of have access or you
do imaging, do I make sure that you can look
at it to have right because you know, you have
right to to look at that information, of course is
better put in perspective with the assistance of a doctor.
(32:13):
But that's that's crazy. That's Uh. When did when did
that go into effect?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I think that my oldest was it just went into
effect when she was twelve, so probably about four years ago.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Four years ago? What what? Oh my god, that's crazy.
Michigan has lots its mind. Yes, that's nuts. I mean,
there's so many problems with that. It's to think, you know,
because kids have no idea what's going on, you have
to have the parents to like if if I'm if
I'm doing something to a kid, I'm not talking to
the kid. I'm kind of kind of them, but I'm talking.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
To the parents, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Not like there's there's no situation like if I only
talk to the kid, you know, and I'm not directing
my attention to the parents, I look like a psychopath, right, right,
you look like a crazy personific, even if they're seventeen.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Right. Yes, so my pediatrician had to take my child
to the side of the room while I'm sitting there
and say to her, here's the situation.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Your mom can no.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Longer get any of your records, any of your results
for tests, or make your appointments. If you want mom
to be able to make your appointments, you can sign
this piece of paper. So if you don't sign this
piece of paper, just want to make it clear that
from now on, all of your well child visits and everything,
you have to call yourself and make them.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
She's twelve, you have to.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Call yourself and make them, and then you will have
to call the doctor's office and verify that it's you
to get your medical records. But put you can sign
this piece of paper and mom can do that. And
then if you change your mind and you come in
here and you want to talk to me about something
you don't want mom to know about, we'll rip this
paper up.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
So you were saying that was in the room with
you there, Yes, so so they like the guy the
doctor took your kid aside with you in the room,
But like you mean, like to a corner of the room.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, I'm sitting there, and it's like they go sit
in the corner, and I mean, it's not like I
can't hear. I could hear the conversation. It was like,
but just so you know, look at me, you and
I are having this conversation.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Mom's not involved. That's how sick it is.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yeah, I'm sorry for kind of digging into this, but
as it's just so insane as a doctor, So you're saying,
you guys are in this appointment, you and your daughter
are saying across from the pediatrician, right, and then at
this moment in time when he wants to have this
kind of side conversation, you're saying, this pediatrician takes your
daughter to side the room that you're still in.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
You're right, It's like they move over, they sit down,
they hand the piece of paper to her and say,
this is the situation. So what you need to do
is if you want mom to be involved, sign this.
But just so you're clear, anytime you don't want mom involved,
you come to the office, we'll rip it up.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
It was the room just consumed with awkwardness. Did this
guy not like, oh, Mike, we're not looking at this
doctor like are you an insane person? Like did? They
then rejoin the conversation.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
And it was like it was first a conversation of like,
we have to have this conversation with your daughter, just
so you know, a new law went into effect. This
with my oldest. This is how when a new law
went into effect, we're sort of learning about it ourselves.
We have to have a conversation with your daughter now
to discuss how she can get her medical records. You
can sit here and listen to what we say to
her now. I think actually they asked her, do you
(35:45):
want mom to leave the room? I think she could
have ordered me out at that point, and there is
nothing I could have done about it. So imagine my
twelve year old who was like, I don't want to
make my own appointments, and she's like, no, I want
my mom to be involved, Thank goodness.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
But now she's sixteen, and.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Maybe she could go in there and say I want
my mom to know this, and she could be one
of those kids in town that has an STD roaming
around and giving other kids STDs because they're too afraid
to have that conversation.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
If you're not telling your parents about it. You're probably
not telling the girl or the boy that you're hooking
up with either, So what is that doing?
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Please tell me you're not seeing this doutior anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
This is every doctor, Every doctor in Michigan has this conversation.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Have you not? Are there not pediatricians like, I'm sure
you've looked right, I So even here's got to be
a doctor. I'm telling there has to be pediatricians who
are like, are not crazy? No, So listen, this.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Is the bizarre part. When I called for my twelve
year old that just had.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
These tests on, they said, well, we don't know who
actually goes into the system. It's someone in the state
that goes into the system and knocks your kids out,
and then they don't process They don't process this form
in the doctor's office. The state processes the form so
they cannot escape it. So she says to me, you
(37:12):
might actually still have access if you go in now,
because sometimes it takes them a couple of weeks to
catch up on kicking people out of their kids chart.
But no, they had already kicked me out. It doesn't
come from the doctor's office. That's the crazy part.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
It comes from the.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
State, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life.
But your mind have to have like you have to
have doctors somewhere in Michigan that like kind of you
have that conversation with him, You're like, yeah, this is
kind of nuts. Like if there's something important, I'll give
you a call, right, are there not? Have you not
talked about pediatrician?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Who's that? That's so when I called. When I called,
they were like I called back a few days later
and I was like, can you get me the result?
Can like can I please know what's going on with her?
And they said, we can tell you that of the
results that came back from the children's hospital, there is nothing.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I can't tell you what the results are.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I can just tell you there's nothing out of line
that causes an intervention at this point, but there are
a couple of tests that have not come back that
that would have to be the children's hospital if they
choose to tell you.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah. So that's because you know, people like were humans, right,
Like if I have a mom call my office or something,
you know, yeah, maybe a forms not picked out, but
if there's a certain level of reason that like yeah,
if she's wunning what the tests are. Like the doctor,
I'll just call the mom or like whoever and be like, hey, like,
let me just tell you about it, Like let me
(38:40):
be a regular person, Like I get this. This rule
is stupid. But like if if if I was a doctor,
I would be horrified to think that the mother you
can't share a twelve year old. Like as a doctor,
I would have like if one of my clinic staff
told me that and I didn't do anything about it,
I would like vomit. I mean, it's to think that
(39:02):
I wouldn't do that to help a person for a kid, right, yeah,
Like a mom was calling and really curious about these results,
and I wouldn't call her back.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
But think about if you so think about if like
for the most part, if your kid hasn't signed it
and they're young and you just haven't gotten to it yet,
they haven't had the conversation, they'll share it with you.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
But think if my kid refuses to sign it, I
can never know.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Oh no, yeah, if like they're mad at you or something.
If like and that's what, yes, holy shit, I know
that's the thing, like crazy, they could try.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I can try to so all right, now I could
call the doctor and be like, I think she'll sign
it and she'll likely tell me.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
But if my kid locks me out, oh.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
No, no, no, So you're saying that, like, say you
have a fight with your kid, they can go to
their doctrine and tell them to rip up that chart.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
If my kid has sex with someone and doesn't want
to tell me, which okay, so like I could see
that happening with teenagers all the time, right, and then
my kid goes in and they've got chlamydia or herpies
or heaven't forbid HIV positive and then the doctor knows
that information, they cannot tell me if my kid.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Locks me up, or like if if they were raped
and now have an STD they went to a party
and something happened, or they were dating someone they shouldn't
have exactly. H holy, that's I mean, like, you know,
I've never never, I've never kind of been That's that's
great because I you know, my daughter was just born.
I mean, she's she's ten months old, you know.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Yeah, just wait, I mean, do you think right now
they're never gonna They're never gonna have a Tory friend
you hate, but I can tell you they will.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Yeah, yeah, I can't. I know we're kind of getting
off the rails, but like, have you thought about leaving
Michigan the Holy Crab? You should move somewhere, like please,
I don't want to fix it.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Like that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
It's like, I want us to be able to stop
this craziness from happening, because I really live under the
theory if you cannot stand that you have a purple
state or a blue state, you should work to fix
that instead of leaving, because then you leave everybody in
that situation.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
I mean, if there's anyone who on your stands, that's me.
You know, I was right exactly. I could have given in,
but you know I fought back. I mean, that's that's
I mean, you know, God bless your soul, you know,
but you know.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
So so I thought you were going to shock us
on this podcast, but I apparently shocked you.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
But honestly, I mean, I know I've kept you way
too long.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
But no, no, I mean I don't have anything going on.
It's cool, but like it's it's I I had no idea.
What is that. It's like that's crazy, you know. It's
like that's like to think because you know, like as
a doctor, there's like a daily practice like how you
do things, you know, and when as a doctor when
you talk to like you as a as a parent,
(41:58):
you you probably don't don't get it right because as doctor,
when you talk to children like you talk to their parents,
you know, like when you do surgery on kids. Like
at TCH when I was offerating there, we did a
bunch of surgery. I mean major surgeries, liver transplants, kidding
transplants on kids, major neuroblastomis. I'm talking about. The biggest
surgeries done on kids in the world were the surgeries
(42:21):
I was doing. You know, but even if it's an
appendicitis in a child, right, the parents are sitting there
like hawks.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Standard there are certain things are at ten years old,
I want you talking to me about and I don't
want them to be afraid.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah, and to think that's how people are. And when
you have a parent and a child in a clinic
and you're talking to them about these medical problems, you're
talking to the parents, right, And of course certain things
you talk to the kids, but it's directed to the
parents because they're the ones who are the parents. And
(42:57):
to think that you would cut them out at twelve
years because like, you know, I neighbor friend, his kid's
eleven years old. I mean, it's a young, young child.
And and to think that, like, as a doctor, I
would direct my attention mostly towards a child is like,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I mean, it's kind of Yeah, so you think you
think to yourself, Okay, well, why would the kid If
the kid can just talk to the doctor about the
STD and not talk to the.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Parent, why wouldn't they get medical care?
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Well, because the kid is still on the parents' insurance,
So if they get medical care, the parent finds out.
So ultimately, instead of doing anything good, this has locked
out the parent and locked the kid out of getting
medical care because the kid is afraid of it showing
up on the parents' insurance.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Yeah, and the kids don't know what the hell they're
talking about, because they're kids. They don't know how to
assess the relative benefits or risks of a certain intervention,
or like having a certain test done, or like the
financial implications of something. You know, that's the craziest thing
I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Yeah, Well, I'm glad I could shock you. I mean
I expected you to shock and I and you didn't.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
But no, honestly, I think that this is and I
brought this up because I think that this is just
a part of the the next stage of this trenchsgender
push is to get to the kids directly. And I
don't understand the ideology behind it or what the ultimate
plan is to sterilize these children and change them.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
I heard.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
And you just don't get how how doctors are okay
with that in Michigan? Like, how like if I was
a doctor in Michigan, or like even a reasonable person
in Michigan, how I couldn't be like totally cool with
like treating a parent like that. I mean, how old
was his doctor? Was he like a you know, you
have like purple hair and you have like.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
A little No, it's like it's the laws, So they weren't.
It wasn't like my doctor is a woman, and she
is he probably ten years older than me, so she's
probably in her fifties.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Yes, and so she's in her fifties, so she's like
not like you know, thirty twenty years old, you know,
so she's been doing this for a long time, yes,
like late fifties, early fifties.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
But it's the it's the law, and people are very
afraid of going against the law. And that is why
I think we should talk about these things because I
think it's it is important, and that's why I wanted
to have you on, because it is important to say
there are people that stand up to this. You stood
up to what you saw that was wrong, and I
hope that people will stand up for against this. And
(45:37):
it happened so fast, and I talked to doctors and
they're like, how did this happen?
Speaker 1 (45:41):
I talked to legislators. I was like, how did this happen?
And they're like, we don't even know how this happened.
Even the legislators didn't know.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
And sometimes these are actually rules that come through agencies,
like HHS makes a rule that becomes a law somehow
it acts as a law.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
It's like the DNR can make a rule that acts
like a law, and that's how this happens.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
And that's that's that's what happened in my case. Right,
it was like so like HIPPAA right, where it's a
law that is meant to protect patient privacy. So you know,
if you release a patient's name or utilize their medical
information to blackmail. Yeah, that's a major violation. But you know,
for for me in my case, it's they had said
(46:24):
there was no damage to a patient. They said that
it was the hospital and the doctors who were the victims.
That's how they were able to manipulate it. And now
I kind of get it, you know when when you
put it that way about you know, it's a law
in Michigan, because especially in Michigan, when you have the government,
when you have the governor, the attorney general, the state prosecutors,
(46:46):
the state Medical Board, there's so many of these uh
progressive you know, Yeah, they control the legal infrastructure. And
I live through it myself. They have a million ways
to destroy a doctor life. And what they do the
whole point that if they make a doctor an example,
they take the doctor's medical license. Yes, they try to violate,
(47:09):
you know, or that govern.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Here during COVID, we had a doctor up north who
gave a patient hydroxy chloroquin. His license was taken and
that and it's just like all these so all of
these businesses. You have to have a license to cut Harry,
you have to have a license to be a doctor,
if delia of a license to be a plumber. All
of these people who worked during COVID or did something
(47:31):
like giving hydroxy chloroquin, they had their licenses taken away.
The state has so much power in Michigan. It's not
like it's a it's this mystical, mythical thing that could happen.
Just happened five years ago. People saw the state police
going in rummaging through your stuff, you know, the HHS
coming in and saying, give me your license. This was
(47:53):
This is a true story. People know it can happen,
and so that fear is real.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Yeah, and especially in every single state, no matter how
red or conservative it is the major any establishment medical institution,
for example, the Texas Medical Association, the surgical associations, you know,
these are one these have significant impact on local politics. Right, Yes,
(48:19):
things happen. These people can speak up and be like, no,
this is wrong. And all of these organizations have been captured.
And you know, the good thing in Texas there's a
group of doctors who are you know, staging an insurgency
in some of these organizations. But that's one of those
things that has to has to be done more and
but like there has to be a conservative effort, you know,
(48:41):
you look, you look at majors.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
I saw you posted something about the American Academy of
Pediatrics that was somebody was like, don't even listen to
these people.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Yeah, And in the way that these organizations work, they
are democratic by nature, but due to the the the
takeover at the top levels and the lack of pushback
at the bottom levels, they're able to maintain an iron fist,
like a stalin level iron fist on debate. But imagine
(49:14):
if you have not even a lot I'm talking about
like maybe twenty thirty conservative pediatrician show up to the
American Academy Pediatrics from when they're national meetings, and you know,
like when people are voting and expressing objections, they go
up to the microphone they express objection because at these meetings,
like I've seen them, where like the policies are presented
(49:37):
in discussed during the national meetings. For an average policy
might be six seven people, maybe ten people. If you
have a certain policy, twenty conservative doctors show up or
not even conservative, just people who haven't lost their damn minds,
you know, then and they make a big fuss it
all of a sudden, it changes the calculus, right, It
(50:00):
becomes much more difficult for the people in leadership to
be like, now we're shutting this down because all of
a sudden, they look like tyrants. Because what it's going
to show, right, how that's going to play out, is
here's all these pediatricians and there's only like three or
four or five of you know, these other people like that,
(50:21):
that kind of it doesn't seem like a like a
majority anymore when or a consensus when you have a
bunch of doctor's showing up physically in person.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
And that and that I think is what that's what
we hope to educate people on. And I appreciate the
fact that you have been able to speak out, and
that's and that's why I think it's important to have
these conversations and to continue to get out there in
these long form conversations to be able to explain to
people like, if you see something that's wrong, you have
a voice, get out there and do it. And that Honestly,
(50:55):
I appreciate what you've done, and I apologize for taking
all your time, but I thank you so much for
doing this and coming on and talking about this because
it's it is really important and actually for our audience,
where can they follow you so that they can see
what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
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I'm there's only one of me on on Google, you know,
because the first name spelled t h A N and
this Nancy last name.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Yeah, I find that too. There's not a lot of tutors.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pronounced like or
spelled like Ethan but pronounced Aton. But yeah, yeah, like
it's all it all means nothing, Like we're just kind
of you know, you know, jerking our chains if we
talked about these issues. But there there's a lot of actual,
(51:46):
you know, material things you can do to have a
major impact. And if there's any story to to demonstrate
the truth of that's mine because I was, I was,
and still i'm a nobody, like a toy, average person,
and I was able to fight back against the most
powerful federal life in human history with the greatest amount
of resources and I had absolutely nothing, and I was
(52:08):
able to kick the shit out of them on multiple occasions,
won the case, and now we're fighting back. News about
that in the next.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Couple of weeks Okay, good, Yeah, I want to hear
about it. Thank you so much, doctor him. I appreciate
you coming on here.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
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We wanted to chat about something that recently happened. There
was a decision from the Supreme Court that said that
the state of Tennessee was actually able to uphold a
ban on transgender surgeries for miners. So I wanted to
find someone who could chat about this. And there is
a doctor in Texas who was very brave and came
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out and it was a whistleblower on the Texas Children's Hospital.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Who was exposed.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
He exposed them for performing sex change surgeries on miners
after they announced that they would.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Stop those surgeries.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So doctor Aton him, thank you so much for joining
me today.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
First off, I want to say having gone through what
you did, because I think it's bigger than just being
a whistleblower. And this is something that I think people
need to understand, is that you came out And were
you a resident at the time.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, so, I was a surgical resident at Baylor College Medicine.
And one the hospitals that we spend the most time
working at is Texas Children's Hospital. You know which really
is It's one of the most amazing hospitals in the
world because of what they can do for these sick kids.
But the administration in this clinic, what they were doing
was just egregious. And when the Supreme Court decision especially
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is you know, it was very important for me. It
was a very big deal because I blew the I
blew the whistle anonymously right May sixteenth, twenty twenty three,
exposing this fact this was happening at TCH. And then
the next day, Texas passed SB fourteen, which was the
law that would ban these gender interventions for children. So
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within twenty four hours of this story coming out, what
we had exposed was made illegal in the state of Texas.
And this Supreme Court decision what was going to impact
that law? So it was you know, it was following
it very closely. And yeah, I played a big part
in this story.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
So this Supreme Court decision and came out, it was
interesting to me because you saw Democrats just kind of
losing their minds. They were all on the news going saying,
how could you do this? How could you take away
these rights from children. It's hard for me to even
talk about I am someone I've said on the program
many times, who I'm a breast cancer survivor, so I've
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gone through a double mistectomy.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I see that they do this to fifteen year old girls.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And I just think, what a nightmare that these children
have no idea what the lifelong impact of this is.
And I heard you talking about this, and you said,
you know, we have these these medications, and these are
some of the most severe, highly.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
The most powerful ever created, most powerful of medicine. It's true,
it's true. It's it's insane.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
And I found that interesting because it is because it
changes who you are, and it goes into your body,
and your hormones regulate your entire system. And I think
people don't understand your hormones regulate your entire system. And
they also this is a critical moment for these kids
because their bodies are changing, and these people want to
force this upon children who can't make this decision for themselves.
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On top of that, you're also getting these these surgeries,
which I've talked to some kids that have detransitioned it,
and they believe that it is.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
They are butchered on purpose.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
There's some sort of weird gratification of these surgeons doing this,
And I just want to know what do you think
about that you.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Know, it's you know how it is right, you had
to double missect me. And that's really one that I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Look the way those pictures look. That's the shocking thing
to me when I see these kids that have this
hideous scar across their chest. But that's not what I
look like.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
And you know, I remember doing, you know, doing these
surgeries and residency and when you talk to these women
and go through the informed consent process, it's such an
important thing because they're losing their breasts. It's a part
of them, right, It's what they had, how they took
care of their babies. Right, it's part of their natural being,
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and you're removing that. In your case, you had breast cancer.
There's a reason for it, Like when the doctor is saying,
you know, you have to have the surgery because you just.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Said something so critical. You talked about what it meant
to these women, this emotional discussion that you had with them,
and you said, this is how they took care of
their babies, you know what, because they had that chance.
And I went through all of that. I found out
that I had cancer when I was still nursing my twins.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I was still going through that part of life.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And I know women who have had this when they
have little babies and they have to make that decision
do I just do this now and we cut that
off and if I have more children that won't be
a part of that story, or they do it before
they have children, but they are adults making that decision
and knowing that this changes who they are, It changes
who they were.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
A part of them is no longer there as an adult.
That's hard, and that's.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Why the role of the doctor is so important because
whenever you do anything to anyone, a medication, a surgery, anything,
you understand that the potential of that thing to be
therapeutic can also be destructive, which is why the principle
of medicine is do no harm. Right. It's not like
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the military where it's like defend the constitution or police,
you know, protect and serve. These are like positive things
like things you do in medicine. It's do no harm.
It's a warning. It's saying, don't screw this up, right,
because there has to be this inherent caution in what
we do. If we do something to anyone, there has
to be a good reason. And in these general interventions,
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what more people are waking up to know, which has
been true all along, is that it's completely fraudulent, right,
what they're telling these people is not true. The idea
that this decreases the risk of people killing themselves was
always lie. They never had any studies to support that.
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But plus, it makes no sense. You can't just give
a confused kid blockers a bunch of hormones and do
surgery on them and then tell them for the rest
of their life. They have to lie and expect that
person to be in a better state of mental health
of us.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
So that was something that I thought was key to
of what you said, because you're saying these are the
most powerful medications we give for disease, and that is
to solve a medical problem. And I know some of
the lupron and everything is given to women who are
trying to get pregnant there and they understand this is
I remember when my aunt was on that and it
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was just really hard on her.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
As an adult, it was very hard on her. It
took her.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Through mood swings and every it just changes. It's changing
your hormones. This changes who you are, and it was
very challenge. But that there was a that was a
temporary fix to get to a solution and then move on.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
This is life that these kids are on this.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
But the point that you made was this is something
that we treat disease with.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I was a psych major. I know how we.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Studied these these mental illnesses. And it was not there's
not a solution, that's the problem. It wasn't like, well, okay,
if you have a broken arm, you said it and
it's fixed. If you have gender dysphoria, changing this person's
gender and causing all different medical issues for them does
not make them mentally healthy.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, and it's not even possible to change gender. It's
just changing physical characteristics and then depriving that person of
their natural hormones and then giving them the hormones of
the opposite sex. It's like the and in this case,
this idea that it's their gender identity that's not a
sign that birth quote unquote right, Like it's it's a
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biological fiction, you know. It's what they're telling these patients
is not true. That's why I like the informed consent issue.
People say, well, kids can't consent, Well, it's their parents
who consent. But no patient can consent. No parent consent,
can't consent to their child if they're being misinformed by
their doctor. Right, Like if it's like if someone did
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double mass sect me and the patient didn't have cancer,
but the doctor told them they have cancer. Even if
they signed the form, you couldn't say that's informed consent
because the patient was being deceived. And and you know,
to see three justices on the Supreme Court and in
sod of my oors dissent, it's not even bad logic.
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It's not like it's a few degrees away from what's true.
It's anti logic. It's the intentional manipulation of reason and
objective reality in order to ensure that healthy young children
are mulated, sterilized and their lives destroyed. And to think
that three people on the highest court of this country
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had dissented to preventing that is absolutely shocking because in
our country this is an eighty twenty issue. On the
Supreme Court, this is a sixty six percent issue.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I mean, And in other countries this has been stopped
and other countries have said this is not the right answer.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
This should not be done to children.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And you know what, people do weird experimental things all
the time when they're adults. I've seen people get horns
in their head and everything else under the sun. And
if you want to do something bizarre to your body
as an adult, I guess there's someone out there that's
going to do it to you.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I really don't understand how legally a doctor can do
this with this what they call bottom surgery, because I
have heard so many nightmare stories about these men who
have their genitals changed over to look like women's and
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there are endless incontinent issues, and I mean there's never
a good story.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
There's almost never that you hear.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, it was just a beautiful transition for me.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
You know, it's to really understand what it means, like
quote unquote bottom surgery. The whore only becomes greater the
more you understand, because like these are areas that you know,
I operated right the when you remove the penis, right,
you have to remove the penis, the testicles. You have
to create a womb cavity in between the bladder and
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the rectum. That is a very dangerous area to operate
because you have all this healing tissue in this womb cavity.
Whenever you have healing tissue in the body, what's going
to happen is it tends to form fiscial attracts, which
is just a connection, you know, So that can happen
between this new cavity in the bladder or this new
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wound cavity like.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
A scar tissue connection or something.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah. Yeah, so you can pour stool out of your
new you know, quote unquote neovagiana, which is just a
massive wound. And I deal with these issues in cases
in other diseases like diverticulitis or cancer. Yeah, so people
will urinate full pieces of stool, you know, and chronic UTIs.
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I mean, this is what they live with. But the
people I take care of, they have this problem because
of a physiological disease. The kids who have this problem,
adults who are manipulated into having their doctrines do this
to them. They were deceived into it.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I so I don't understand, Like this is going to
get really graphic. But I have never.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Understood because I assume that if you want to change gender,
you want if you're a man and you want to
be a woman, you still want to have a relationship
with someone, Like at some point this person still has
that natural desire to have a connection with another human being,
maybe a physical relationship, maybe a marriage someday. And I
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know that after my surgery, you're cutting through.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Nerves that you don't feel. I don't have the sensation
that I had before.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I cannot imagine what it's like in the bottom surgery,
as they call it, because do you have any How
do you not cut through all the nerves? How do
you have any feeling after that? And that to me
is like that's a critical part of having sex with someone.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I as a surgeon, I can't I really can't even fathom.
It's something that's so truly horrifying too, you know, because
for me it's something very meaningful because every time I
bring a patient to an operating room, right, a lot
of times, if it's an emergency case or something, you know,
maybe only you have twenty minutes to get to know them.
And even in these cases, these surgeons only meet these
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people for a certain period's time.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yes, yeah, that's what people don't know your surgeon. You
don't spend a lot of time with.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
And then when you bring them to an operating room,
they are unconscious, they're naked, they're paralyzed, they're strapped to
a bed, they're surrounded by strangers. All those strangers have
very sharp objects, and that surgeon is going to cut
into your body and change you permanently. So if as
a surgeon, when you bring someone to an operating room,
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you have to make sure the reason you're bringing them
is damn good. You have to make sure that they
know that there are benefits of whatever you're doing to
them outweigh the risks. And if you violate that person's
trust and you do something to them that that was
not needed, that's something that's horrifying. Because things go wrong
in the operating room. You know, things go really wrong.
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People can die, people can die afterwards. But to bring
them into a surgery that had no potential benefit, to
put them into that situation where there's there's no way
they can benefit, is I mean, that's the reason I
put everything in the line. Ten years in prison.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I was talking no benefit.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I mean what you're telling me and what my mind
has been able to wrap itself around when I hear
about these surgeries, it's not just no benefit.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
This is lifelong pain.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
It's it's anti benefit, it's anti medicine, this is the
introduction of disease, this is the definition of iatrogenesis, which
is doctor induced damage. This is uh, it's something that
is unfathomable in like the world of some of so
called enlightenment, right, it's truly because at least.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
It's so hard to get people to see this though,
because people have come out and they, i mean people
have killed themselves because of these surgeries. We've had multiple
people point out they've followed somebody on Reddit who's gone
through this journey. And a lot of times when this happens,
people do document the journey publicly, and oftentimes they're documenting
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the journey publicly up to the moment because there's so
much excitement around it and there's so much encouragement to
do it. You see these young people who are sixteen, seventeen,
eighteen years old and they have an entire community that
suddenly comes around them at a moment when life is
just hard. You're going through so many things, and we
talked about what those hormones.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Do to you.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
They do mess with your brain at that point in
your life, because you're growing, you're changing. Hormones are not
something you want to mess with. And these kids get
into a place where they feel alone and then suddenly
they get into this online community where people are like, fantastic,
you get to be a part of what we are
and now you will change your body too. And then
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when they go through the surgery, the documentation continues and
it becomes so much darker.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, and I've taken care of a number of patients,
people who I who believe that they're transgender after they
try to commit suicide. People jumping in front of trains,
people trying and blow their heads off of shotguns, swallowing
razor blades and these things happen down the road. It's horrifying.
And to see the end result. And I think the reason,
to go back to your original question, like, why is
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it so difficult for people to see it right? I
think people bought into it in the beginning because it's
something you can't conceive, right. The doctor's, major medical organizations,
the government, they were unanimous in supporting it. And now
the reality of it people are waking up to and
they have to come to terms with the fact that
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they were complicit and one of the greatest crimes against
children in the history of medicine. The severity of that
is so profound for an individual to truly acknowledge that.
I believe the people who drove this, the people who
had defended it, there's no way for them to ever
come back, because if they truly self reflect on what
they've done, I believe that like self reflection is going
(16:55):
to lead to their self immolation because imagine if that
was you. Imagine if the people you were calling monsters,
you know, the people you were saying, you know, we're
the ones who wanted to damage and harm these kids,
when it was actually you who was harming him. Right?
Is there anything more evil than that? And how many
innocent parents were sucked into this road and told to
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believe it. You know, it's I mean, it's the most
vicious thing.
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I have seen my kids grow up and go through
so many different phases of life. I mean, for kids,
you watch the different things that they like and the
personalities that they are.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
And I mean we've gone through.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Princesses to anime, to Harry Potter, to you know, Tom Boys,
to sparkles and makeup and everything. I mean, and it's
always forever changing. And I mean, I can look back
on my own life and I remember my gosh, I
remember having a pager and you know, skater jeans and
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big baggy flannels, and I wouldn't wear that now, you know.
But there are those things that you kids go through
phases where they find something to be incredibly cool, and
then you look back on it you go, gosh, I
can't believe that. I mean, my one daughter was like, mom,
please take everything Harry Potter out of my room.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
And and you know, at.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
That time, gosh, she could have been tattooed in Harry Potter.
She loved it so much, you know. And I'm not
trying to make.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Light of this.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I just why can't we have that conversation that kids
go through phases and there are not this many transgender
kids in the world, and it is documented. I mean,
this is the crazy part, Timmy. It is documented in
the DSM that this is a the gender dysphoria exists,
but it is incredibly rare and it has always been
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in there and it has always been incredibly rare, and
there is no chance that there has been this sudden
search in this one mental disorder.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
And just for the record, I still do have a pager, so.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You are in a little bit different situation. I was
probably like typing hello in numbers.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah, And you know, I think like, why can't we
have this conversation about like you know this, These are phases,
and these are children and even for adults. Right, people
can go through hard times and look for comfort in
a community. The reason we can't have those conversations that
people are so antagonistic towards it is because to open
the door for their own mistakes is going to open
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the door for something very very dark. And that's why
I think, you know, going to the future of this issue, right,
like where we go from here? These people are not
going to give up right now.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
How do you find it? How do you fight it?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
This is the way you do it. So this is
something you know of course. Now, the FEDS when they
came after me, when they wanted to send me to
prison for ten years, right when they when the prosecutor threatened.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
My blowing the whistle, they wanted to throw you in prison.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah, yeah, when they threatened my wife. My wife had
just been hired as a prosecutor with a Department of
Justice and in Dallas, and the first call, the prosecutor
threatened my wife and said, you know, you know, she's
not going to have any problems unless she continues to
become difficult, right, because she was gosh what that's yeah,
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I mean, she was undergoing a background check, and my
wife had advised me to not speak with the agents
when they first came to my home. Right. That was
the first thing she told my attorneys in that call,
and that's documented by my attorneys sent that to Congress,
so that's on the record. Well, no, I mean, you know,
like the prosecutor, her whole family was embedded with TCH
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and Baylor College Medicine. You know, she, uh, withdrew yourself
from the case right after I exposed these conflicts. So
in TCCH and Baylor College Medicine, weere the victims in
the indictment. Not that they were talking about patients, but
that's kind of a separate issue. But you know, they
they tried to destroy my life, right, and so I
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did everything I could fight back, and in that process, uh,
you know, they they changed who I was. Right, They
had given me a purpose to in this fight to
try to end it because I saw what these people
are capable of. So what do we do from here? Right? Like,
how do we fight it? I think there's a few avenues.
There's a couple of very very discreet things you can
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do to really inflict some massive victories. So if you
look at you know, some of the literature in the
transgender medicine circles, right, a lot of them. What they
do is the when whenever you treat something as a doctor,
you have to have two things a diagnosis code, treatment code.
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Those two things have to make sense. Appendicitis appendectomy right
for these quote unquote gender firm and care, it's gender
dysphoria and then hormones surgery whatever. Right, that's that's like
the idea. But say you're in a red state and
they pass a law to ban it, or maybe you're
in a blue state. You work at a children's hospital.
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Your hospital will lose funding if you're doing this to children.
How do you conceal it? Right? How do you conceal
these things? Well, you know these organizations have documents online
to show you how to conceal it, how to commit
medical frauds something people go to prison for. So right,
for example, you know, you want to prescribe a boy
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estrogen for you know, for because he believes is transgender.
How do you do that in a red state and
not get caught? Well, in the medical chart you document
he's a female. Right, you can do that in an epic.
You can do that in any chart. And then for
the diagnosis code, what do you say estrogen deficiency? Right?
When the insurance company sees that they see female estrogen
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deficiency treatment CPT code.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
That insurance fraud.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
That's insurance fraud. So these organizations have have like documents
to uh to explain how to do that. For for
a mass sectimy, how do you do that? Right? Girl?
You she's a woman, you say in the medical chart
she's a male. Right, diagnosis code guid in coomassia treatment
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breast reduction, mass sectomy. So insurance company sees male guindic
comasia breast reduction or you know, breast tissue removal. So yeah,
that's that's a crime. That's a federal crime. People get
a prison for that. And this is not something that like,
you know, I'm just making up, but the Attorney General
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of Texas has is going after three doctor for these
same exact schemes, which he alleges is true. They have
to go through a case and prove the facts. But
I mean, I can't tell you necessarily details. But I've
spoken to on these doctors, or was on a conversation
where one of these doctors had admitted this themselves.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
That powerful you talk about these organizations, I assume it's
similar to what we see with some of these groups
that are promoting political ideologies. I mean, to me, this
is a political ideology that just happens to cut into children,
which is disgusting. But you talk about these groups that
teach them how to do this. How powerful are these groups?
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Because what we find on the political side is that
there's a massive amount of money behind this.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
So how powerful and why are they powerful?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
And so they're very powerful because they have the money,
and especially they're even more powerful and they protect the
protect the doctors in blue states, you know, for example,
doctors and blue states they have to turn generals, they
have the state prosecutors. So how can we uncover these
crimes and make these doctors much less likely to do
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this to kids? And what we need is whistleblowers or
there's also banks of data that can look at insurance
coding for every doctor in the country, you can look to.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
See, yeah, that's interesting, and then you could find a pattern.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Oh yeah, yeah. So for example, Do No Harm had
released a database called Stop the Harm that looked at
all the surgeries for children in the country using the
diagnosis code of gender dysphoria. But that doesn't count all
the fraudulent diagnosis codes. So you use that data bank.
You look at patterns over a period of time before
January twentieth, twenty twenty five after January twenty twenty twenty five.
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If you see a certain pattern where there's an increase
in for example, estrogen in defficiency. Sasare in defficiency, endocrine abnormality,
unspecified post surgical hypoconatas. These are all ICD codes which
are used to conceal the fact that Jender Firm and
Care quote unquote is done for children. So they're powerful.
These organizations Blue Stage are powerful. But we have the
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federal government. There's a Department of Justice. These are federal
crimes which are easily definable, easily provable, and so there's
group of people, you know, myself being one of those
who are working on making sure this is exposed to
allow the DOJ to pursue prosecutions.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
So we have a situation in Michigan. I've talked about
it on the podcast before.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
When Michigan, you know, I was just talking to a
couple people state people in Michigan who are in your legislature.
So yeah, you'll see something coming.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Good because in Michigan, we also get locked out of
our child's medical report after twelve years old. When the
kid turns twelve.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Twelve years old. Wait, hold on twelve years old? How's
that pot twelve? You can't see anything.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
No, I want it.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
California, New York, Michigan. I think there's other states too.
Something in federal law change and these states came in
and said, okay, like the my chart. I don't know
if you guys have my chart. My chart, so my chart.
I no longer have access to my child's my chart
once they turned twelve in the state of Michigan. So
my daughter had My daughter turned twelve on June fifth.
(28:22):
She had a medical test done on June eleventh. I'm
driving home and it hits me. I'm like, oh my gosh,
I can't get into her chart. She has to sign
me over as her medical proxy. And then I can
see limited stuff. I can't even see big stuff, but
I can see limited stuff like blood tests and things.
So I called the doctor's office and I say, because
she had this at a specialist, I have to go
(28:43):
to her pediatrician. I call the office and I say, hey,
she just turned twelve. Can we come in and sign this?
And they said, you can sign it on September tenth
when she has her well child visit September tenth, and
I said, are you nuts?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I would like to see her. We just had all
this test done. I'd like to see them.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
And they said, I'm sorry, we can't make an appointment
just to get your child to sign a medical proxy.
You can hear you can, so she can't. The kicker
is she can't have her my chart either. She doesn't
have an email or anything. She can't get into her
my chart. She is too young to have on my chart.
So I cannot get the medical tests that we were
(29:20):
just run on her because she has not signed me
over as medical proxy.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I don't even know where to start we have.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I talked to the pediatrician's office about this, and she
said there are kids in town who have STDs and
they cannot tell the parents that the kids have STDs
because they have they don't have their they have not
been signed over as medical proxy, and the kids don't
want to tell the parents that they have STDs. So
she said, I have kids that will have permanent damage
because they are not getting treated for an STD that
(29:50):
they have because they are afraid to tell their parents.
Their parents don't know that they came in here, we
tested them, and I know they're sick, and their parents
don't get to know.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
I that's so crazy. I uh, there's so many problems
with that. I I can't I've never honestly, I've never
heard that. That's the craziest thing in the world, because,
like you know, I mean I take care of some kids.
You know, if there's like a twelve thirteen year old
who's like a little bit bigger pretty much an adult,
(30:19):
right like surgically you know, in some instance, but I
to think, like pathology, lass, I mean, how you get
I would think the kid, even the kid, if they're
how could they access it? Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
It's a horror show.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
And it just it was just implemented a few years ago,
and it shocks me that more people don't just go
crazy over this. I mean, I'm like, how is it possible?
So the doctor refers me to a specialist because she's like, oh,
your daughter is at the one percent point of the
growth chart. We might have to have an intervention, but
I will not know until September.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Why how can this be?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yeah? That's uh, you know, you're like.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Don't found it because how could this be? This is
Democrat policy.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeah, I feel like I should have something to say,
but I'm like you, I feel the same way. That's
that's the crazy thing.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
So we need doctors like you to become active on
things like this. And I'm I'm actually serious because I
feel like there's so much of this type of stuff
going on because these laws are getting passed and parents
aren't aware, and then parents are suddenly in a position
where they're vulnerable, they can't help their own child, or
their child is getting pushed into something. And to me,
(31:37):
this is being done so that they can do the abortions,
so that they can manage the getting them the birth control,
but also for transgender surgeries, because I believe that.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
There is so much money in that that is just
too tempting.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, because you know, I mean It's like I'm just thinking,
like we you know, sometimes you do surge around kids
for cancer and when the pathology comes back and to
make sure that you kind of have access or you
do imaging, do I make sure that you can look
at it to have right because you know, you have
right to to look at that information, of course is
better put in perspective with the assistance of a doctor.
(32:13):
But that's that's crazy. That's Uh. When did when did
that go into effect?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I think that my oldest was it just went into
effect when she was twelve, so probably about four years ago.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Four years ago? What what? Oh my god, that's crazy.
Michigan has lots its mind. Yes, that's nuts. I mean,
there's so many problems with that. It's to think, you know,
because kids have no idea what's going on, you have
to have the parents to like if if I'm if
I'm doing something to a kid, I'm not talking to
the kid. I'm kind of kind of them, but I'm talking.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
To the parents, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Not like there's there's no situation like if I only
talk to the kid, you know, and I'm not directing
my attention to the parents, I look like a psychopath, right, right,
you look like a crazy personific, even if they're seventeen.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Right. Yes, so my pediatrician had to take my child
to the side of the room while I'm sitting there
and say to her, here's the situation.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Your mom can no.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Longer get any of your records, any of your results
for tests, or make your appointments. If you want mom
to be able to make your appointments, you can sign
this piece of paper. So if you don't sign this
piece of paper, just want to make it clear that
from now on, all of your well child visits and everything,
you have to call yourself and make them.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
She's twelve, you have to.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Call yourself and make them, and then you will have
to call the doctor's office and verify that it's you
to get your medical records. But put you can sign
this piece of paper and mom can do that. And
then if you change your mind and you come in
here and you want to talk to me about something
you don't want mom to know about, we'll rip this
paper up.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
So you were saying that was in the room with
you there, Yes, so so they like the guy the
doctor took your kid aside with you in the room,
But like you mean, like to a corner of the room.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, I'm sitting there, and it's like they go sit
in the corner, and I mean, it's not like I
can't hear. I could hear the conversation. It was like,
but just so you know, look at me, you and
I are having this conversation.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Mom's not involved. That's how sick it is.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yeah, I'm sorry for kind of digging into this, but
as it's just so insane as a doctor, So you're saying,
you guys are in this appointment, you and your daughter
are saying across from the pediatrician, right, and then at
this moment in time when he wants to have this
kind of side conversation, you're saying, this pediatrician takes your
daughter to side the room that you're still in.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
You're right, It's like they move over, they sit down,
they hand the piece of paper to her and say,
this is the situation. So what you need to do
is if you want mom to be involved, sign this.
But just so you're clear, anytime you don't want mom involved,
you come to the office, we'll rip it up.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
It was the room just consumed with awkwardness. Did this
guy not like, oh, Mike, we're not looking at this
doctor like are you an insane person? Like did? They
then rejoin the conversation.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
And it was like it was first a conversation of like,
we have to have this conversation with your daughter, just
so you know, a new law went into effect. This
with my oldest. This is how when a new law
went into effect, we're sort of learning about it ourselves.
We have to have a conversation with your daughter now
to discuss how she can get her medical records. You
can sit here and listen to what we say to
her now. I think actually they asked her, do you
(35:45):
want mom to leave the room? I think she could
have ordered me out at that point, and there is
nothing I could have done about it. So imagine my
twelve year old who was like, I don't want to
make my own appointments, and she's like, no, I want
my mom to be involved, Thank goodness.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
But now she's sixteen, and.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Maybe she could go in there and say I want
my mom to know this, and she could be one
of those kids in town that has an STD roaming
around and giving other kids STDs because they're too afraid
to have that conversation.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
If you're not telling your parents about it. You're probably
not telling the girl or the boy that you're hooking
up with either, So what is that doing?
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Please tell me you're not seeing this doutior anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
This is every doctor, Every doctor in Michigan has this conversation.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Have you not? Are there not pediatricians like, I'm sure
you've looked right, I So even here's got to be
a doctor. I'm telling there has to be pediatricians who
are like, are not crazy? No, So listen, this.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Is the bizarre part. When I called for my twelve
year old that just had.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
These tests on, they said, well, we don't know who
actually goes into the system. It's someone in the state
that goes into the system and knocks your kids out,
and then they don't process They don't process this form
in the doctor's office. The state processes the form so
they cannot escape it. So she says to me, you
(37:12):
might actually still have access if you go in now,
because sometimes it takes them a couple of weeks to
catch up on kicking people out of their kids chart.
But no, they had already kicked me out. It doesn't
come from the doctor's office. That's the crazy part.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
It comes from the.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
State, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life.
But your mind have to have like you have to
have doctors somewhere in Michigan that like kind of you
have that conversation with him, You're like, yeah, this is
kind of nuts. Like if there's something important, I'll give
you a call, right, are there not? Have you not
talked about pediatrician?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Who's that? That's so when I called. When I called,
they were like I called back a few days later
and I was like, can you get me the result?
Can like can I please know what's going on with her?
And they said, we can tell you that of the
results that came back from the children's hospital, there is nothing.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I can't tell you what the results are.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I can just tell you there's nothing out of line
that causes an intervention at this point, but there are
a couple of tests that have not come back that
that would have to be the children's hospital if they
choose to tell you.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah. So that's because you know, people like were humans, right,
Like if I have a mom call my office or something,
you know, yeah, maybe a forms not picked out, but
if there's a certain level of reason that like yeah,
if she's wunning what the tests are. Like the doctor,
I'll just call the mom or like whoever and be like, hey, like,
let me just tell you about it, Like let me
(38:40):
be a regular person, Like I get this. This rule
is stupid. But like if if if I was a doctor,
I would be horrified to think that the mother you
can't share a twelve year old. Like as a doctor,
I would have like if one of my clinic staff
told me that and I didn't do anything about it,
I would like vomit. I mean, it's to think that
(39:02):
I wouldn't do that to help a person for a kid, right, yeah,
Like a mom was calling and really curious about these results,
and I wouldn't call her back.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
But think about if you so think about if like
for the most part, if your kid hasn't signed it
and they're young and you just haven't gotten to it yet,
they haven't had the conversation, they'll share it with you.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
But think if my kid refuses to sign it, I
can never know.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Oh no, yeah, if like they're mad at you or something.
If like and that's what, yes, holy shit, I know
that's the thing, like crazy, they could try.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I can try to so all right, now I could
call the doctor and be like, I think she'll sign
it and she'll likely tell me.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
But if my kid locks me out, oh.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
No, no, no, So you're saying that, like, say you
have a fight with your kid, they can go to
their doctrine and tell them to rip up that chart.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
If my kid has sex with someone and doesn't want
to tell me, which okay, so like I could see
that happening with teenagers all the time, right, and then
my kid goes in and they've got chlamydia or herpies
or heaven't forbid HIV positive and then the doctor knows
that information, they cannot tell me if my kid.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Locks me up, or like if if they were raped
and now have an STD they went to a party
and something happened, or they were dating someone they shouldn't
have exactly. H holy, that's I mean, like, you know,
I've never never, I've never kind of been That's that's
great because I you know, my daughter was just born.
I mean, she's she's ten months old, you know.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Yeah, just wait, I mean, do you think right now
they're never gonna They're never gonna have a Tory friend
you hate, but I can tell you they will.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Yeah, yeah, I can't. I know we're kind of getting
off the rails, but like, have you thought about leaving
Michigan the Holy Crab? You should move somewhere, like please,
I don't want to fix it.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Like that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
It's like, I want us to be able to stop
this craziness from happening, because I really live under the
theory if you cannot stand that you have a purple
state or a blue state, you should work to fix
that instead of leaving, because then you leave everybody in
that situation.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
I mean, if there's anyone who on your stands, that's me.
You know, I was right exactly. I could have given in,
but you know I fought back. I mean, that's that's
I mean, you know, God bless your soul, you know,
but you know.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
So so I thought you were going to shock us
on this podcast, but I apparently shocked you.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
But honestly, I mean, I know I've kept you way
too long.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
But no, no, I mean I don't have anything going on.
It's cool, but like it's it's I I had no idea.
What is that. It's like that's crazy, you know. It's
like that's like to think because you know, like as
a doctor, there's like a daily practice like how you
do things, you know, and when as a doctor when
you talk to like you as a as a parent,
(41:58):
you you probably don't don't get it right because as doctor,
when you talk to children like you talk to their parents,
you know, like when you do surgery on kids. Like
at TCH when I was offerating there, we did a
bunch of surgery. I mean major surgeries, liver transplants, kidding
transplants on kids, major neuroblastomis. I'm talking about. The biggest
surgeries done on kids in the world were the surgeries
(42:21):
I was doing. You know, but even if it's an
appendicitis in a child, right, the parents are sitting there
like hawks.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Standard there are certain things are at ten years old,
I want you talking to me about and I don't
want them to be afraid.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah, and to think that's how people are. And when
you have a parent and a child in a clinic
and you're talking to them about these medical problems, you're
talking to the parents, right, And of course certain things
you talk to the kids, but it's directed to the
parents because they're the ones who are the parents. And
(42:57):
to think that you would cut them out at twelve
years because like, you know, I neighbor friend, his kid's
eleven years old. I mean, it's a young, young child.
And and to think that, like, as a doctor, I
would direct my attention mostly towards a child is like,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I mean, it's kind of Yeah, so you think you
think to yourself, Okay, well, why would the kid If
the kid can just talk to the doctor about the
STD and not talk to the.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Parent, why wouldn't they get medical care?
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Well, because the kid is still on the parents' insurance,
So if they get medical care, the parent finds out.
So ultimately, instead of doing anything good, this has locked
out the parent and locked the kid out of getting
medical care because the kid is afraid of it showing
up on the parents' insurance.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Yeah, and the kids don't know what the hell they're
talking about, because they're kids. They don't know how to
assess the relative benefits or risks of a certain intervention,
or like having a certain test done, or like the
financial implications of something. You know, that's the craziest thing
I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Yeah, Well, I'm glad I could shock you. I mean
I expected you to shock and I and you didn't.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
But no, honestly, I think that this is and I
brought this up because I think that this is just
a part of the the next stage of this trenchsgender
push is to get to the kids directly. And I
don't understand the ideology behind it or what the ultimate
plan is to sterilize these children and change them.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
I heard.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
And you just don't get how how doctors are okay
with that in Michigan? Like, how like if I was
a doctor in Michigan, or like even a reasonable person
in Michigan, how I couldn't be like totally cool with
like treating a parent like that. I mean, how old
was his doctor? Was he like a you know, you
have like purple hair and you have like.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
A little No, it's like it's the laws, So they weren't.
It wasn't like my doctor is a woman, and she
is he probably ten years older than me, so she's
probably in her fifties.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Yes, and so she's in her fifties, so she's like
not like you know, thirty twenty years old, you know,
so she's been doing this for a long time, yes,
like late fifties, early fifties.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
But it's the it's the law, and people are very
afraid of going against the law. And that is why
I think we should talk about these things because I
think it's it is important, and that's why I wanted
to have you on, because it is important to say
there are people that stand up to this. You stood
up to what you saw that was wrong, and I
hope that people will stand up for against this. And
(45:37):
it happened so fast, and I talked to doctors and
they're like, how did this happen?
Speaker 1 (45:41):
I talked to legislators. I was like, how did this happen?
And they're like, we don't even know how this happened.
Even the legislators didn't know.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
And sometimes these are actually rules that come through agencies,
like HHS makes a rule that becomes a law somehow
it acts as a law.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
It's like the DNR can make a rule that acts
like a law, and that's how this happens.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
And that's that's that's what happened in my case. Right,
it was like so like HIPPAA right, where it's a
law that is meant to protect patient privacy. So you know,
if you release a patient's name or utilize their medical
information to blackmail. Yeah, that's a major violation. But you know,
for for me in my case, it's they had said
(46:24):
there was no damage to a patient. They said that
it was the hospital and the doctors who were the victims.
That's how they were able to manipulate it. And now
I kind of get it, you know when when you
put it that way about you know, it's a law
in Michigan, because especially in Michigan, when you have the government,
when you have the governor, the attorney general, the state prosecutors,
(46:46):
the state Medical Board, there's so many of these uh
progressive you know, Yeah, they control the legal infrastructure. And
I live through it myself. They have a million ways
to destroy a doctor life. And what they do the
whole point that if they make a doctor an example,
they take the doctor's medical license. Yes, they try to violate,
(47:09):
you know, or that govern.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Here during COVID, we had a doctor up north who
gave a patient hydroxy chloroquin. His license was taken and
that and it's just like all these so all of
these businesses. You have to have a license to cut Harry,
you have to have a license to be a doctor,
if delia of a license to be a plumber. All
of these people who worked during COVID or did something
(47:31):
like giving hydroxy chloroquin, they had their licenses taken away.
The state has so much power in Michigan. It's not
like it's a it's this mystical, mythical thing that could happen.
Just happened five years ago. People saw the state police
going in rummaging through your stuff, you know, the HHS
coming in and saying, give me your license. This was
(47:53):
This is a true story. People know it can happen,
and so that fear is real.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Yeah, and especially in every single state, no matter how
red or conservative it is the major any establishment medical institution,
for example, the Texas Medical Association, the surgical associations, you know,
these are one these have significant impact on local politics. Right, Yes,
(48:19):
things happen. These people can speak up and be like, no,
this is wrong. And all of these organizations have been captured.
And you know, the good thing in Texas there's a
group of doctors who are you know, staging an insurgency
in some of these organizations. But that's one of those
things that has to has to be done more and
but like there has to be a conservative effort, you know,
(48:41):
you look, you look at majors.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
I saw you posted something about the American Academy of
Pediatrics that was somebody was like, don't even listen to
these people.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Yeah, And in the way that these organizations work, they
are democratic by nature, but due to the the the
takeover at the top levels and the lack of pushback
at the bottom levels, they're able to maintain an iron fist,
like a stalin level iron fist on debate. But imagine
(49:14):
if you have not even a lot I'm talking about
like maybe twenty thirty conservative pediatrician show up to the
American Academy Pediatrics from when they're national meetings, and you know,
like when people are voting and expressing objections, they go
up to the microphone they express objection because at these meetings,
like I've seen them, where like the policies are presented
(49:37):
in discussed during the national meetings. For an average policy
might be six seven people, maybe ten people. If you
have a certain policy, twenty conservative doctors show up or
not even conservative, just people who haven't lost their damn minds,
you know, then and they make a big fuss it
all of a sudden, it changes the calculus, right, It
(50:00):
becomes much more difficult for the people in leadership to
be like, now we're shutting this down because all of
a sudden, they look like tyrants. Because what it's going
to show, right, how that's going to play out, is
here's all these pediatricians and there's only like three or
four or five of you know, these other people like that,
(50:21):
that kind of it doesn't seem like a like a
majority anymore when or a consensus when you have a
bunch of doctor's showing up physically in person.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
And that and that I think is what that's what
we hope to educate people on. And I appreciate the
fact that you have been able to speak out, and
that's and that's why I think it's important to have
these conversations and to continue to get out there in
these long form conversations to be able to explain to
people like, if you see something that's wrong, you have
a voice, get out there and do it. And that Honestly,
(50:55):
I appreciate what you've done, and I apologize for taking
all your time, but I thank you so much for
doing this and coming on and talking about this because
it's it is really important and actually for our audience,
where can they follow you so that they can see
what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
Yeah, it's just my first and last name. It's Aton.
I'm there's only one of me on on Google, you know,
because the first name spelled t h A N and
this Nancy last name.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Yeah, I find that too. There's not a lot of tutors.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pronounced like or
spelled like Ethan but pronounced Aton. But yeah, yeah, like
it's all it all means nothing, Like we're just kind
of you know, you know, jerking our chains if we
talked about these issues. But there there's a lot of actual,
(51:46):
you know, material things you can do to have a
major impact. And if there's any story to to demonstrate
the truth of that's mine because I was, I was,
and still i'm a nobody, like a toy, average person,
and I was able to fight back against the most
powerful federal life in human history with the greatest amount
of resources and I had absolutely nothing, and I was
(52:08):
able to kick the shit out of them on multiple occasions,
won the case, and now we're fighting back. News about
that in the next.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Couple of weeks Okay, good, Yeah, I want to hear
about it. Thank you so much, doctor him. I appreciate
you coming on here.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Thanks, and thank you all.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
For joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast For this
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Speaker 1 (52:27):
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