November 19, 2025 • 39 mins
Tudor Dixon and Sirius XM's Stacy Washington unpack Michelle Obama’s recent remarks on race, hair, and her time as First Lady. They examine how cultural expectations shape women in public life, what her perspective reveals about today’s political climate, and how the Obama legacy continues to influence conversations about future female leadership. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Tutor Dixon podcast, and today
we have got to go through exactly what is going
on with Michelle Obama. You know what, generally I don't
touch what's happening with Michelle Obama. She is a first lady.
I have great respect for the first ladies of this country.
But when they don't have respect for you, and they
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continuously go out and tell you they have never had
respect for you, it's kind of hard to not address it.
So we thought we would bring in an expert on
this issue, and that is Stacey Washington because she is
an expert on all things pop culture, what's happening, current events.
She is the host of Stacy on the Right on
Sirius XM Patriot Channel. And I thought you would be
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the best person to talk about this with because I
needed another woman.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, I am a cisgendered meaning real woman, and I'm
glad to be here with you another real, actual biological woman.
So I was watching these things from the perspective of
someone who you know, you wake up in the morning
and you're like, oh, you know, my ankle hurts, or
you know I have to do this or that that
I didn't do yesterday. Whatever your thing is, maybe you
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have some real serious problems, like you have health issues
or something about in your family, and it's the first
thing that hits your brain in the morning.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
And so as I was watching some of the clips of.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Her, the first thing I thought was, you wake up
in the morning, the former first Lady of the United States,
and the first thing you think about is that white
people have made you keep your hair straight, and so
you can't swim. I'm not sure if she's saying she
can't swim. She was saying black people can't swim because
of that.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
And I know that. So first of all, let's listen.
We have the clip. We can play it so people
can hear. I can know what what I'm talking about here.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It's because I actually, weirdly enough, I woke up this
morning and I was like, I didn't know that we
were forcing anyone to do their hair a certain way.
It was like the first time I had heard that.
So listen, listen to her.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
You have been a power tutor.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I know, I really, I was like, and I did
feel guilty about it, and then I was like, no, no,
this is the crotchiest rich lady ever. So I'm going
to here we go. Here's the crotchety rich lady.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Here she is.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Oh, And the decision to get my hair braided was
primarily a continuation of that freedom. You know.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It's like a lot of people want to know what
doo braids mean? What does she mean? Look y'all, we should.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Mean it, you know, I mean, that's what white folks are.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
It's like, what does that mean? What are you saying?
We were saying nothing except.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I just don't want to have to do my hair
every day and I want to I.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Want to go swimming.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I don't want to have to worry about it.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Let me explain something to white people.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Our hair comes out of our head naturally in a
curly pattern. So when we're straightening it to follow your
beauty standards, we are trapped by the straightness. That's why
so many of us can't swim and we run away
from the water.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
People won't go to the gym because we're.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Trying to keep our hair straight. For y'all, it is exhausting,
and it's so expensive, and it takes up so much time.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Braids are for.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Y'all, so we can work harder and focus on the work.
So Why do we need an act, an act of
law to tell white folks to get out our hair.
Don't tell me how to wear my hair, don't wonder
about it, don't touch it.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Just don't it just is? So what did I miss?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Was there a time when people were ripping on her hair?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I don't know why she's saying this.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well, there were some really rough comments about some braids
she'd had put in before she and and the girls
went on vacation while he was still in office, and
she would get the braids right before they would go
on beach vacations or Caribbean vacations, and there were some
negative comments. It was it was like it was mainstream
in that the people who were making the comments were
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big names, some of them. But it was an acknowledgment
on her part of the realities of having hair that
grows out of your head in a very you know, kinky, curly,
zig zaggy, you know, depending on what your hair type is.
And it's true that because I had a relaxer when
I was little, I mean from I wanted to relax
her ride away because I wanted my hair straight. I
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used to have relaxer. I had it all the way
through high school, a couple of years of college. I
had it in the Air Force. I went natural after
I had my first daughter, then went back to relaxers,
then went natural again. Now I have sister lox, which
are basically natural hair because there's no chemicals of bolved
and so. But what she's talking about is a perspective
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of someone who worked in the seventies and the ages.
Hair freedom became a thing in the nineties. She's also
referring to a law that had to be passed because
on active duty in the military, you actually had to
have a certain hair standard and afros were not it.
If you had an afro, it had to be under
a certain number of inches, which were women. Meant you
had to have hair like a man, so you'd have
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to have your hair pulled back. You had to wear
your hair in a ponytail if it's passed your ears
in the military, if your hair is longer than basically,
once it graises the shoulder, it has to be pulled back.
So she's referring to a lot of different things there.
I thought what she said was kind of funny in
a way because for the audience, a lot of them
identified with it. But it's not actually something that most
white people know about that in some workplaces it is
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actually frowned upon to have natural hair, especially the higher
up you go in corporate America. But the issue that
I have with what she said is that's the seventies
and the eighties, and it is the year of our
Lord twenty twenty five where one of our Supreme Court
justices has sister locks, Katanji Brown Jackson. Now, I know
it's a question as to whether or not she should
be there because her qualifications appear to be like, but
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her hair is in sister locks, and she is on
the Supreme Court. And there are natural women with natural
hair who are black and Hispanic and everything in between.
We're wearing their hair naturally everywhere now, so it is
not only mainstream. It's kind of It's kind of like
when you have an argument with your husband and it's
long gone and he's even changed his behavior, but you're
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still hanging on to whatever that fight was, and you
keep bringing it up again and again, and he's like, dude,
I haven't I haven't done that to you in like
eight years, And then you stop for a second. You're like, oh,
have you fixed this problem? Because I'm still that's worse.
I'm still living there. She's still living in the seventies
and the eighties, and it's especially illustrative for her because
I kind of expect someone who used to live at
sixteen hundred Pensylvania Avenue. It's one of my favorite buildings
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on Earth. And I've been to the Louver, I've been
to the palace at Versailles. I've been to castles in Germany.
I've been to some pretty amazing places. I've been in
Saudi Arabia. I didn't get to go to the castle
like Trump, but I've been there, and sixteen hundred Pensylvania
Avenue is one of the most pristine, amazing architectural marbles
in the entire world. It is our house, but she
got to live there for eight years, and so I
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kind of feel like, at this stage of the game,
I want her to elevate her conversation above the kind
of things you hear at beauty shops, the conversation you
just saw her have with that other multimillionaire, that other
lady whose mother was exact Sannah Ross, that other one
Tracy Ellis Ross. Her last name is Ross because her mom,
her actual mom, her biological mother is Diana Ross. So
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the two of them are sitting there having a conversation
about black hair. I would rather she talked about some
of the things that Americans. These are cultural problems all
Americans are facing with the breakdown of the family, a
lot of things that have to do with behaviors that
we've allowed ourselves to slip into as a culture as Americans.
That foreigners are beginning to notice that we have a
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rampant single parent culture here, that a lot of us
are struggling with weight and health issues in a country
where you can buy everything organic, even your cat food
can be organic, but we can't figure out how to
get our BMIs within the normal range as a whole.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Right. There are a lot of.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Things that she could be speaking into and still be
funny and still be relatable. But she has a hang
up about race, and she has a gratitude problem.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
She's not breakable. I can get on her hair or
argument too. If it's like a Hey, as women, we
kind of face a different standard than we do men.
Men don't have to do their hair at all, and
we'll wear makeup.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Men don't have to wear makeup and they look some
of them like they're wearing it until you get up
close and realize that's your man's skin.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Why don't the women have the same skin as the men?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
As my question, I want to know my son also
has eyelashes that stick out like tabletops, and I'm like,
you're so cute. And also, why do you have those eyelashes?
I don't have them, your dad, your sisters don't have those.
You are the only one who has those. What is
going on here?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
And your husband is ready in five minutes and you're like,
I'll be there in an hour. Yeah, this is not
a white versus black thing. And that's where I feel
like a lot of women could have seen her as
this huge champion for women, even with these conversations. I mean, look,
when I was twenty years old, my hair started to
go gray. When I got cancer, my hair went really gray.
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And it is every I have to go to the
salon every three weeks and have my whole lot on.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
And then when you run.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
For office, which I see her as a similar situation
because as the first lady, you're really running alongside your husband. Man,
everybody has an opinion on what you wear. My jeans
were the most hideous jeans anybody's ever seen. How could
I wear the jeans? I was told? And I have
someone in the background laughing right now because she knows
what I'm talking about. How could you wear those jeans?
You look like an idiot. It's like people are not kind.
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It's not a white versus black thing. It is a
public opinion and you have to be presented. And I
think it's for women. It is a lot different men
can wear. You as a man can wear the same shirt,
the same vest, the same jeans everywhere on the campaign trail.
Nobody's like, that's the same thing you've been wearing for
four months.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
If I did twice, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
And that's not even that's not just for or like
if you're running for office, So you ran for major office,
state office, statewide, you had to meet millions of people
and they were all judging you on your appearance and
your attributes, your qualifications. It was a double whammy. They
didn't just say, what is Tutor Dixon's background? Then when
they met you, they sized you up for the way
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that you look.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So the thing with Michelle Obama is she was subjected
to some very very rough criticism, you know, the accusations
that she's a biological man.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
There's a lot going on there.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I don't either, and I've actually lost opportunities in media
because I don't believe she's a biological man. And I
think it's ridiculous for us to assert that because we
actually have really great criticisms we can level against her
for her ideological worldview. She is a hardcore leftist that
is anti American, and so you know, I'd rather focus
on that. But it's not because she's black. I don't
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identify with her at that level. The woman thing that
you're mentioning is much more relatable to me because there
are things we face as women that are universal that
a woman in Afghanistan and a woman in China, and
an Italian woman and an American woman and a British
woman can all get together and within five women five minutes.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
If we're talking about womanhood.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
We're sisters because we are all facing the same things,
fighting our bodies, fighting the cultural perceptions, and trying to
be seen for intellect and our attributes as opposed to
whether or not we are overweight or underweight, or our
genes are not from a good place like if you
know men wear Walmart jeans. We wear four hundred dollars
jeans and still get criticized for them.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
It's amazing, But she's still missing it.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I mean, it's eight years at my favorite place we're
talking about.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Can I just say, can I just this is my thing?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Okay, it's you and me Tutor, sixteen hundred Pensylvania Avenue.
It's fifty five thousand square feet on five levels. There's
a super safe bunker inside. There's a huge kitchen in
the basement that's like it rivals the kitchens and palaces overseas.
But the best part is it also has its swimming pool,
bowling alley. Barack Obama auted the basketball court, soon to
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have a ballroom.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
But I digress.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Just as it is right now, just living there, just
being in the residence, the area. They don't open to
the public. I've been on tours there so many times.
I've been there dozens of times, and there's always something
new to find. There's always something amazing about being there.
And last time I was there earlier this year, we
went in through the entrance, which is the main entrance
where they receive you, where you can check your coat,
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And there's a portrait of Michelle Obama there. It's not
one of those big, huge, monstrous ones. It's like a
normal sized portrait. But she's wearing a very complimentary color,
and whoever painted her really did a great job.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
It was so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I took a picture of it and said it to
a friend, and I thought to myself, because I don't
identify with her, I don't. We have nothing in common
except that we're both married and have children. But the
portrait was so beautiful, and she's just so ungrateful. What
else do we have to do for you, Michelle? What
else can we possibly do? Do we all need to
get relaxers? Do we all need to go natural? What
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do we have to do for you to just be
in a man and kind of just love us like
all of us?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
The white people included all of them, that's what.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So that's there is this she's hung she's so hung
up on race. And she did not get elected by
just black people. She got elected by a lot of
white people. And what happen white people? They couldn't have
been elected. They could not have gone to the White
House without the white people.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And even a lot of us who didn't vote for
them when she was You know, I think for women mostly,
the first Lady is special. You think of the first
Lady as outside of politics. Even when Hillary Clinton was
first Lady. There's something special about first Lady. And even
when I go to the Museum in Washington, d C.
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And I take my girls through the First Lady section,
no matter what their political ideology, we look at the
fashion and it is exciting, and yes, it is a
special place. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue
next on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. When you are running
for office with your husband, you know that the First
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Lady is held to the standard of not just not
just beauty. You are like the example of a woman
in the country. And we loved that. We wanted to
love her, and actually I did. I wasn't on the
bandwagon if she's a man or any of that. Yeah,
I loved the fact that we had a black president
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and we had a black first Lady. But she now
I find out she hated us and that having.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
At the White House, she hated it because she couldn't
open windows.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
And I want to play.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Another thing another thing about her, talking about how she
had to present to white people because I think this
goes right into what we're talking about. I want to
play this because I want to hear reaction to this one.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Here it is.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
I remember when I realized that clothing, my hair, and
how I spoke could actually protect me from the microaggressions
of racism.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I was in my early teens.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Do you remember when you realized that clothing could be
a tool, or when you began to understand the power
of how to present yourself within the context of protection
or armor.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
The Magnet High School that I went to was on
the West Side, and to get to it, we had
to cut through downtown, so there was a level of
exposure to the high end of Chicago and to access
those places and not be accused of stealing, you realize
very early on that you better let them hear you talk,
or you know, come in with the right sack case,
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or else you would be watched. And you know, so
I think I learned then that how you show up,
especially when it comes to white folks looking at young
black kids, that how you present can sometimes save your life.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
So the other part she said, she that America is
not ready for a female president. She said that you
know the idea that the first Lady is a archetype
of a woman. I actually talk about this a lot
on the radio tutor that there is this archetype globally
of the man and woman that you want to be
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and a lot of foreigners might not readily admit it,
but it is the American man and the American woman
because we're the number one desired destination for immigration. And
so if you think about that in light of what
she's saying, that the first Lady is not the archetype
of woman for femininity, motherhood, and other attributes, instead of
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her saying it used to be just femininity and motherhood,
but now it's femininity, motherhood, grace, and also, you know,
work accomplishments, educational accomplishments. I'm an attorney. First Lady Hillary
Clinton is an attorney. All of the First Ladies that
we've had have had some distinguishing factor in, you know,
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their educational background, maybe their philanthropy, their work. Before they
became officially first ladies, it was almost as if they
were First Ladies in training and then their husbands were
elected and they stepped into this role and hired twenty
five people and did this job and so she again
misses the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
She misses the whole picture is that.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Women aren't just wives and moms, but we aren't just
lawyers either, because the men can't be wives and moms.
So if she's willing to simply drop the mantle, the
huge mantle of responsibility of being wives and mothers and
examples of femininity so that we can just be attorneys
or just be doctors or lawyers or whatever radio hosts,
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that seems to me like an abandonment of all the
work that feminists did. Feminists are the original ones. Were
never saying we don't want to be wives and moms.
They were saying, I want to be a lawyer first,
or I want to be a doctor first, or I
want to be a doctor and I want to have
a nanny. All of these things are options for us
that are not options I mentioned in Afghanistan before. You
can't be a doctor in Afghanistan right now under the Taliban,
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you can't even get an education. You can't bet in public,
seen with your natural hair. In Afghanistan, you can't be
out in public, you can't swim in public. There, you
can't even leave the house without a male relative.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
There.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
So when you look at why people want to be Americans,
and why men want to be American men, and why
women want to be American women, it's because you can
be an attorney and then be the first Lady of
the United States and then being ungrateful, you know what
with a book, you know afterwards, two books, And admittedly
the second book is a coffee table book. I saw
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it at Barnes and Nobles and it's actually beautiful.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Millions and millions of dollars, Oh yeah, she They went
to the White House to think they were worth a
couple million, and that was mostly in their residence in Chicago,
like the residents, was the bulk of their wealth.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And they came out with a sixty million dollar deal
with Netflix, and she had the book deal on the side,
and immediately did the book, and it sold out. They
were selling the tickets to go listen to her talk
about the book for eight hundred dollars a pop in
the nosebleeds twelve hundred dollars to be on the floor
where you could see her. This is a woman who
has had some amazing opportunities and I don't begrudge for
any of it.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
She made it there. She and her husband did it
on their own.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I believe their election was a mistake, but they were
in the White House, and they are former President and
former First Lady Obama. But the deal for me is,
so there are people out there who get to speak
into us. They speak into our culture, and they try
to change the direction of our culture with their words,
and oftentimes they're successful. Barack Obama tried for eight years
to tell us that we aren't exceptional, that we aren't
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a unique and special country with an impact on the world,
that we aren't leaders. For eight years we listened to him,
and then we elected Donald Trump, who, from the very
first moment he came down the escalator said not only
are we exceptional, but we're exceptional to the point that
we'll rock your socks off. We'll have peace through strength,
will be energy dominant, and we will change the paradigm
for Americans. And for four years he did that, and
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so we changed our perspective, and we've been awesome ever since.
We spent eight years romanticizing a man who said, hope
and change, but you're not awesome, and then elected a
man who said, actually you are.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
And what does hope and change mean? And I think
she's stuck.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
She's desperate to carry the you're not awesome mantle.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
She's desperate to kill we don't want it, we don't
want it, and honestly, we don't want her. That's the
other thing.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I kind of wish, now that she's written a couple
of books, that she'd go and be somebody's grandma. Like
I know, her daughters are probably never gonna get married
and have kids for her, So maybe she got to
adopt a young woman who's thirty, who has a couple
of kids, and start spending time around babies again, and
maybe get something in her life that's meaningful and hopeful,
because being rich and owning five houses isn't it for her.
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You'd never see me again if I had a house
on Martha's vineyards. But she's constantly in our faces.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
It's just but she's in She's in our faces and
saying she doesn't want to be there, which is ridiculous
to see someone who goes out on tour across the
country and says how much she hates it. Her disdain
for being first lady just there. When you saw in
that clip when she asks her about that and not
how I see it at all. Think of what she
could have shaped in that position. Like you said, she
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is an attorney. She could have gone into that position
and been like, look, we are a power couple. And
I think that's what we expected to see. She didn't
like the spotlight, she didn't like the White House. Now
we know, well the reason we didn't see her more
active out there was because she hated every minute of it.
She's said that in her podcast since then. She's come
out she's just like me, me, me, show me to
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talk about how much I hated the United States. But
you're right, it's very race focused. But the first time
we heard her in that clip being asked, you know
what about the presidency, and she says, clearly, we are
not ready for a woman, and I'm not going to
step into this nobody.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
She couldn't win.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Now I don't believe anyway, because she's been so nasty
to people, But she still wants people to say you're
the only one that can win, just so that she
can come out and say you're not ready for a woman.
And I thought the funniest part about this is she goes,
we clearly just saw that the United States is not
ready for a woman.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Wait a minute, that's not what that was.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
We're not ready for Gombla.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Harry, You're right exactly, that's not what that was.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
And I feel like also the conversation gets dumbed down
when we refer to who needs to be the next
president as we need a woman president. What we need
every time we're electing a president is someone who understands
the history of this country, the founding, and appreciates the
heritage that we all carry as Americans. And that person
needs to be America focused. And that's a struggle because
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the world has become used to us being more focused
on them than ourselves, and so it's a struggle for
the commander in chief to actually execute on that. But
we need someone who's focused on that. And if that's
a woman, amazing. If that person's black, okay, I'm main
mainly obsessed with and focused on that person's personal attributes
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and qualifications more so than the package that they come in.
And I think as long as we have that same
kind of focus, especially on the right side of the aisle,
like the ticket for twenty twenty eight, people are talking
about that in tutor, I actually think and I was
having a bunch with a friend who is in town.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
My husband and I met him at this little restaurant
and he suggested that if we're looking for a woman
who also has those attributes and qualifications, it might be
Sarah how could be Sanders? And I was so excited
by that because I love her and I think she
is very qualified. She's also a governor, which is a great.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Thing to have.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
She could run with Rubio. So we could have Rubio
Sanders and it would be pretty epic. But if it's
not going to be Sarah Hawkaby Sanders or some other
woman who is absolutely qualified beyond being a woman, then
it's you know, maybe it's Rubio Vance, or maybe it's
Vance Rubio. I know, there are a lot of different iterations,
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and people have their you know what they want. So
there are people who are still talking about the Santas
He's about to leave the governor's mansion. But in all
of these conversations, if the the genitalia of the person
is the first consideration, like the Democrats, we lose. They
lost because they were focused on Kamala Harris being a
woman and they didn't remember four years of word salad.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I mean but let's say they were happy with her
as vice president, nobody was happy with her as president,
and they are now going right back to the slick
white guy with Gavin Newsom politicos saying he's the twenty
twenty eight front runner. I mean, she can't be complaining
about white Republicans when that's what Democrats are gonna put up.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, and you know, Tutor, your lips to God's ears,
because I think Gavin Newsom is eminently beatable because he
can't control his temper, right, He's actually easier for us
to beat than if they run someone who was less known.
And I believe I've never believed, So let me just
be clear before I make my statement, Tutor, I have
never once believed that Michelle Obama was running. I had
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a guy on my show like four or five times
who has written a book and done a documentary about
how she's going to run for the presidency and how
she's been groomed to do it since she was like
a little girl, and I debunked every one of his
assertions and we had fun debates. But I never believed
it until I was at the Barnes and Noble picking
up my book club selection for the month, which I
was very late in getting to and rushing around, and
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on the center paid tables was Michelle Obama's book. I
flipped through it. It's a glossy coffee table book. It's oversized,
it's beautiful. So, first of all, because I'm a person,
I love appreciating beauty.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I love it so much. I have an interior design
is my hobby.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I'm constantly buying things and refurbishing them and also collecting things.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I know beauty when I see it.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
And this book was designed to help you forget all
of the horrible things she's said about America and focus
on her clothing, her hair, the images that are previously
unreleased from the archives at the White House of their
time in DC State dinners, her looking very demure and
very much a woman, very very slinky outfits, her seated
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in places where these are images we haven't seen. Because
I've been on the White House press list for the
entire all the Obama the years, I've seen these pictures.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
I've not seen these in this book.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I get my book, I go up to the front
table at the front to actually check out, and right
there in front of me is the cover of People magazine.
She's on that, so this is a cleansing tool or
she's on I believe it's going to go on for
three years, and I think she's going to announce. Now
she says she's not, but she didn't. She didn't ask
the clip they played the clip. She didn't say, I'm
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not running. She said, you're not ready for a woman president.
So maybe she's turning on getting us ready right, So
I don't want her to run. It's not that I
want her. But James Carvel said on his podcast or
on the pod pod, the you know the one that
they the pod guys whatever it is, that is the
liberal big podcast. He was on there with that guy
and he said, we're going to win in twenty twenty eight,
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and we're going to pack the Supreme Court and we're
going to legalize thirty million, uh you know, migrants. So
we're gonna we're going to set the reset the table
and make everything right again. He said, we're going to win. Well,
I believe they've gotten her to agree to run. I
don't know what they had to give her. Maybe they're
going to own an island or a small nation that
we don't know the name of. They're just going to
give it to the Obamas. I don't know, but I
believe she's gearing up for that, because otherwise, why do
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we have to listen to her? Like you said, why
is she doing a podcast? If she hates the spotlight?
Why is she doing a pod has with her brother?
Why is she now doing this coffee table book?
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Now? It could be just a vanity thing. I could
be wrong. I mean, you know, I'm a human being, but.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
There's something different about the way like that that things
she was just doing there where she's trying to identify
with all the people in the country who aren't white,
and so you still need white people to vote for you.
But they have enough college educated moms who are on
the left to kind of buttress what they're doing. What
they're going to focus on is socialism and the alliance
with these these disparate factions like AOC and Bernie Sanders,
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and their obsession with communism because they call it socialism
but it's communism. They're going to cobble those things together
and try to recreate what mom Donnie did in New
York City, which is due largely and he was elected
because Republicans didn't turn out. We have to learn how
to turn out when Trump's not on the ballot. That's
that we have some own, our own systemic issues to
deal with. But Tudor I sometimes when I when I
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see people talking about her or see her trending again,
I'm like, this is a woman who hates the spotlight.
She hates America. She has enough money to leave. You
know a lot of people who found America to be
too racial, they just moved to France.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
They moved.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Tina Turner took up residency in Italy and died there,
like she didn't even die in America. There are Americans
who are famous who whatever they don't like, they leave,
even Ella Ella and degenerous and Portia de Rossi moved
to Great Britain, bought a mini castle there which prompably
flooded and now they're having all kinds of issues with
their property. But I mean they left the country. They
said they couldn't be here because of Trump. So why
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don't the Obamas leave if they hate it here so much,
if it's so horrible.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
And for those who are listening, you've been watching politics
for a very long time, this is meaningful. The nuances
that you see the changes that you see are meaningful.
You're getting messages that the average person might not see.
I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Well, I'm just telling you that.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
When we see someone who says I hate it here,
but they're constantly in our faces. She's paying people, right,
you don't just end up on a stage in front
of a thousand people who like you and have this
woman who's not really political. Tracy Ellis Ross is not.
She's on the left. Right, she's obviously on the left.
She does that in her television show Blackish. But Tracy
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Ellis Ross is kind of you know, she's not out
at campaign events, but she's interviewing the former First Lady
and they're talking about hair. They're trying to make her relatable.
What she doesn't understand is for most of us, that's
not relatable. I actually laugh in natural hair when I
hear Michelle Obama talking about hair, because she has a
stylist who probably charge her eight hundred dollars an hour
to make her hair straight. And that's fine. I don't
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begrudge her anything that she has. I just I'm kind
of tired of her complaining about it. When you have
that level of access where you can call any Hollywood
celebrity because they're all on the left, they're all her
best friends. When you can fly on a jet and
be anywhere you want in the world, and you know,
any amount of time when you could do anything you want,
and all you choose to do is complain, I'm like,
(29:53):
isn't there some shopping that needs to be done? Isn't
aren't there any chairs at your house that need to
be reupholstered. Shouldn't you be sitting with the designer and
paing out fabric, or maybe doing a new landscape plan
for the beach that you cordoned off from all the
regular people in on your property in Hawaii the Magnum
p I House. Don't you have something there that needs
remodeling or doing, or some people you could order around?
Maybe open up the house in Chicago. You haven't been
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there in a while. Maybe open it up and go
host a party there. What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Like?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
What what all of us.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Want to entertain with a team? I want twenty five
people to do what I want and make my parties rock.
Instead I'm doing it myself. Bec I'm a regular person.
Why aren't you using any of these fun things? Like
she obviously has been working out with a trainer. Did
you see her legs in that shot?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I know, I was like a zep's a tricky thing.
I don't know who.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
How did people get so thin so fast?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Amazing? So why not just go with that? I mean,
why are you still doing it? But there is a
glow up.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. She can say that this is
expected of her, but she is choosing a glow up
right now. And I'm saying from that standpoint of being
suddenly very physically fit. She is out there on the
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front stage every and I didn't nobody. I mean, if
her hair is such an issue, why does she keep
doing it that way? Why doesn't she lead the trend
of doing her hair differently?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I mean, she's yes, exactly, So that's the other thing.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
First, lady, she has the power to do that.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
She could just have said I got so much flak
from wearing braids to try to protect my relaxed hair
that I went natural and so you should too, and
everybody would be on the bandwagon, and people like yourself
would be like, oh, I realized this was an issue.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
But she's leading the charge natural hair could be wrong with.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
That because it could have been presented in a way
to make women go kind of like, oh my gosh, yes,
we're in this with you. This is the patriarchy.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
We need to you know. She just has to jab
she was deeper. But there's so much to be in
common with.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Because when I sit around with my friends at lunch
and we start talking about hair, and most of my
friends are white, they're complaining about their hair in the
same way that I'm.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Complaining about my My hair is dry, I'm deep conditioning.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I've had some breakage, and they're like, oh, well, you know,
I go and get mine died and she got it
the wrong color and I'm like it looks good to me,
and They're like, no, I've been back twice to fix it.
I'm like, oh my gosh, did you get charged. So
we're complaining our skin, what are you using? I'm using
this peel I've been you know, we all share the
same dermatologist, oddly enough, so we we all go to
the same lady and we're all getting different things done,
and it's like this it's just women talking about how
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hard it is to try to be presentable. And the
other part is if you're rich, if you're worth one
hundred million dollars, why don't you just throw on a
pair of really expensive like better than Lululemon or whatever
that is, some leggings, a good top, a ghost sit
outside with you like beer or you like tea or
whatever you like. Just go sit on one of your big, huge,
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expansive ocean front decks. You have five properties to pick from.
Take a jet to one of your properties, go sit out,
snap your fingers, and whoever it is that your current
butler or cook will come, have them make you something,
and just enjoy your life. Like why are you complaining
to us? All of us have real problems, Like I
actually buy my own groceries and I pop my own gas.
I've been reveling and how cheap gases and how Porterhouse
(33:13):
steaks have come down about twenty percent, which is really
great because I make a mean Porterhouse steak and my
husband loves it, and I hate paying twenty eight dollars
per steak. It's really great to have them back down
to like nineteen bucks. So I'm I'm like, why don't
you just go do something rich people do?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Like there was some but that's a good point. She's
staying out there. She wants us to see her. I
love your insight there.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I don't know if I'm right, but I got the
sick feeling in the pit of my stomach because I've
always believed she's not running, and for the first time ever, ever,
since I've been doing any of this stuff, I feel
like she could be getting ready to run, Like I
feel like this is it's never been real before. Maybe
she just does this pr thing and then fades to
black and we can all take a sigh of relief.
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But Democrats really want to recreate what they had with
the Obamas. Remember the hope and change. It was no
real message.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Well, I think you're right, because I mean you are
right because they are flailing for a message right now.
If they can bring that feeling back, that nostalgia back,
and they have this powerful woman in that place, they
they hit, they kill multiple birds with one stone. I mean,
they're they're back in the game and they're.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Like anybody the memory of Kamala right because that was
such a disaster, and they can get Charlemagne back on board.
You know, he's been very critical, He was very very
critical of Kamala and he set her political careers over.
They can also squash that bug because you know, she's
still circling thinking maybe I should run one more time,
and the Democrats are like, no, because we still have
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campaign debt from your last run. We're still paying you
off really honestly. So you know, Judter, we just have
to pray that the Lord will prevent like it's because
it's the Obama's the first time they were a curse
on us. They were a curse on our country and
the way they tried to convince us that horrible people.
And we survive that because Americans are very resilient. Our
country is resilient. But another four years or eight years
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of Obama's constantly down talking us. The Obamas are that
person where if you lose thirty pounds, that person comes
up to you and says.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
You look good, but you still have a little bit
of a poonch.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
You know, you still have a little of a stomach,
and you're like, I've I just burned off thirty human
pounds and my body looks amazing. And everyone else is
like you look so good, and you look down You're like,
I barely see anything.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Do you see a stomach.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Now all day long, you're thinking about your stomach instead
of thinking about having lost thirty pounds. That's the Obama's
They will literally tell you what's wrong with you, even
when you're like at your highest moment.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
We have Americans need more high moments, we.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Need They are the ultimate bullies. And I think when
you hear people talk about malicious empathy, this is what
we're talking about. Do not sit in the corner and
feel bad for Michelle Obama because she has it.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Made she is.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
This is a manipulation. This is how bullies work. I mean,
this is like a bad marriage. We're in with them.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yes, yes, that's exactly what it's like. Because in a
bad marriage, you never let go of the slights. In
a good marriage, you have to put things behind you
because you realize it's a long haul and your husband
is gonna make mistakes.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
You're gonna make mistakes.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Thank God, my husband doesn't hold all my mistakes against me,
and so I therefore shouldn't hold heads against him.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
I should let them go.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
And sometimes you have to go without apologies, You have
to go without acknowledgements because you have kids to raise,
you have a business to run, You have whatever it
is that you are working on. If it's nothing but
just getting what are we having for dinner? My gosh,
we have to decide that every day. It's ridiculous how
we have to eat dinner every night and we have
to pick it so we you know, we we have
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mountains to climb, we have dragons to slay, and the
Obamas won't let us be great. That's my problem. They're great,
They're worth millions of dollars. Why can't we be great, tutor?
Why can't we just like, why can't we just acknowledge
that our hair is no longer a big deal for
us as black women, that all old women sometimes wear
weaves and wigs, that we are all really we have so.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Much in common.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Like white women are not sitting up thinking about oppressing anybody.
They're thinking about their thighs and cellulite and creatine, which
is a new thing.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
They're menopause, well, the menopause. They're thinking about grandkids.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
You're thinking about, oh, my gosh, well will my children
ever get married and have grandkids? You're thinking about all
kinds of things, and we're thinking the same thing most
of us. As I will just speak for black women
who are on the right side of the political aisl
there are millions of us.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
We're thinking about the same things. I have never once
gotten up and thought, oh, it's so hard, my hair
is so hard.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I've never thought that is the first thing out of
her mouth every time she speaks is about race or
hair or black people not being able to swim. That's
also that's not true anymore, it used to be true.
Now most elementary school programs in the South where this
was a problem have a swimming course that they offer
during the school year and in the summer to close
that gap. So it's like, what what decade is she
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living in?
Speaker 3 (38:05):
In America? Today?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Most black people can swim. Most black people choose the
hair that they want. Women and men wear the hairstyle
that they want. If you're on active duty, you do
have some different things that you have to abide. Bye,
But that is so you can serve the country.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
And that is regardless of who you are. Also, I
mean men women were.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
To no, no, they can't, and so everybody in the
military is subject to the same standard. So I I
just I ask, as you do, tutor, why is she
out here?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Why?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
And we're going to have to figure it out because
if she runs, oh wow.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
I agree, I agree, But if she runs, I'm having
you back on because I love this conversation.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
I love talking to you, Stacy, how much you are awesome.
Thank you so much. Great to be on your show.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Oh it's it's been a pleasure, honestly a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
It was so much fun.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
And thank you all for listening to us at the
Tutor Dixon Podcast. Remember to check us out on the
iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts and
Rumble or YouTube, and make sure you join us next time.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
As always, have a blessed day.
You are listening to the Tutor Dixon podcast, and today
we have got to go through exactly what is going
on with Michelle Obama. You know what, generally I don't
touch what's happening with Michelle Obama. She is a first lady.
I have great respect for the first ladies of this country.
But when they don't have respect for you, and they
(00:21):
continuously go out and tell you they have never had
respect for you, it's kind of hard to not address it.
So we thought we would bring in an expert on
this issue, and that is Stacey Washington because she is
an expert on all things pop culture, what's happening, current events.
She is the host of Stacy on the Right on
Sirius XM Patriot Channel. And I thought you would be
(00:44):
the best person to talk about this with because I
needed another woman.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, I am a cisgendered meaning real woman, and I'm
glad to be here with you another real, actual biological woman.
So I was watching these things from the perspective of
someone who you know, you wake up in the morning
and you're like, oh, you know, my ankle hurts, or
you know I have to do this or that that
I didn't do yesterday. Whatever your thing is, maybe you
(01:07):
have some real serious problems, like you have health issues
or something about in your family, and it's the first
thing that hits your brain in the morning.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
And so as I was watching some of the clips of.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Her, the first thing I thought was, you wake up
in the morning, the former first Lady of the United States,
and the first thing you think about is that white
people have made you keep your hair straight, and so
you can't swim. I'm not sure if she's saying she
can't swim. She was saying black people can't swim because
of that.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
And I know that. So first of all, let's listen.
We have the clip. We can play it so people
can hear. I can know what what I'm talking about here.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It's because I actually, weirdly enough, I woke up this
morning and I was like, I didn't know that we
were forcing anyone to do their hair a certain way.
It was like the first time I had heard that.
So listen, listen to her.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
You have been a power tutor.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I know, I really, I was like, and I did
feel guilty about it, and then I was like, no, no,
this is the crotchiest rich lady ever. So I'm going
to here we go. Here's the crotchety rich lady.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Here she is.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Oh, And the decision to get my hair braided was
primarily a continuation of that freedom. You know.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It's like a lot of people want to know what
doo braids mean? What does she mean? Look y'all, we should.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Mean it, you know, I mean, that's what white folks are.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
It's like, what does that mean? What are you saying?
We were saying nothing except.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I just don't want to have to do my hair
every day and I want to I.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Want to go swimming.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I don't want to have to worry about it.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Let me explain something to white people.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Our hair comes out of our head naturally in a
curly pattern. So when we're straightening it to follow your
beauty standards, we are trapped by the straightness. That's why
so many of us can't swim and we run away
from the water.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
People won't go to the gym because we're.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Trying to keep our hair straight. For y'all, it is exhausting,
and it's so expensive, and it takes up so much time.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Braids are for.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Y'all, so we can work harder and focus on the work.
So Why do we need an act, an act of
law to tell white folks to get out our hair.
Don't tell me how to wear my hair, don't wonder
about it, don't touch it.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Just don't it just is? So what did I miss?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Was there a time when people were ripping on her hair?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I don't know why she's saying this.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well, there were some really rough comments about some braids
she'd had put in before she and and the girls
went on vacation while he was still in office, and
she would get the braids right before they would go
on beach vacations or Caribbean vacations, and there were some
negative comments. It was it was like it was mainstream
in that the people who were making the comments were
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big names, some of them. But it was an acknowledgment
on her part of the realities of having hair that
grows out of your head in a very you know, kinky, curly,
zig zaggy, you know, depending on what your hair type is.
And it's true that because I had a relaxer when
I was little, I mean from I wanted to relax
her ride away because I wanted my hair straight. I
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used to have relaxer. I had it all the way
through high school, a couple of years of college. I
had it in the Air Force. I went natural after
I had my first daughter, then went back to relaxers,
then went natural again. Now I have sister lox, which
are basically natural hair because there's no chemicals of bolved
and so. But what she's talking about is a perspective
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of someone who worked in the seventies and the ages.
Hair freedom became a thing in the nineties. She's also
referring to a law that had to be passed because
on active duty in the military, you actually had to
have a certain hair standard and afros were not it.
If you had an afro, it had to be under
a certain number of inches, which were women. Meant you
had to have hair like a man, so you'd have
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to have your hair pulled back. You had to wear
your hair in a ponytail if it's passed your ears
in the military, if your hair is longer than basically,
once it graises the shoulder, it has to be pulled back.
So she's referring to a lot of different things there.
I thought what she said was kind of funny in
a way because for the audience, a lot of them
identified with it. But it's not actually something that most
white people know about that in some workplaces it is
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actually frowned upon to have natural hair, especially the higher
up you go in corporate America. But the issue that
I have with what she said is that's the seventies
and the eighties, and it is the year of our
Lord twenty twenty five where one of our Supreme Court
justices has sister locks, Katanji Brown Jackson. Now, I know
it's a question as to whether or not she should
be there because her qualifications appear to be like, but
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her hair is in sister locks, and she is on
the Supreme Court. And there are natural women with natural
hair who are black and Hispanic and everything in between.
We're wearing their hair naturally everywhere now, so it is
not only mainstream. It's kind of It's kind of like
when you have an argument with your husband and it's
long gone and he's even changed his behavior, but you're
(06:21):
still hanging on to whatever that fight was, and you
keep bringing it up again and again, and he's like, dude,
I haven't I haven't done that to you in like
eight years, And then you stop for a second. You're like, oh,
have you fixed this problem? Because I'm still that's worse.
I'm still living there. She's still living in the seventies
and the eighties, and it's especially illustrative for her because
I kind of expect someone who used to live at
sixteen hundred Pensylvania Avenue. It's one of my favorite buildings
(06:43):
on Earth. And I've been to the Louver, I've been
to the palace at Versailles. I've been to castles in Germany.
I've been to some pretty amazing places. I've been in
Saudi Arabia. I didn't get to go to the castle
like Trump, but I've been there, and sixteen hundred Pensylvania
Avenue is one of the most pristine, amazing architectural marbles
in the entire world. It is our house, but she
got to live there for eight years, and so I
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kind of feel like, at this stage of the game,
I want her to elevate her conversation above the kind
of things you hear at beauty shops, the conversation you
just saw her have with that other multimillionaire, that other
lady whose mother was exact Sannah Ross, that other one
Tracy Ellis Ross. Her last name is Ross because her mom,
her actual mom, her biological mother is Diana Ross. So
(07:24):
the two of them are sitting there having a conversation
about black hair. I would rather she talked about some
of the things that Americans. These are cultural problems all
Americans are facing with the breakdown of the family, a
lot of things that have to do with behaviors that
we've allowed ourselves to slip into as a culture as Americans.
That foreigners are beginning to notice that we have a
(07:46):
rampant single parent culture here, that a lot of us
are struggling with weight and health issues in a country
where you can buy everything organic, even your cat food
can be organic, but we can't figure out how to
get our BMIs within the normal range as a whole.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Right. There are a lot of.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Things that she could be speaking into and still be
funny and still be relatable. But she has a hang
up about race, and she has a gratitude problem.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
She's not breakable. I can get on her hair or
argument too. If it's like a Hey, as women, we
kind of face a different standard than we do men.
Men don't have to do their hair at all, and
we'll wear makeup.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Men don't have to wear makeup and they look some
of them like they're wearing it until you get up
close and realize that's your man's skin.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Why don't the women have the same skin as the men?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
As my question, I want to know my son also
has eyelashes that stick out like tabletops, and I'm like,
you're so cute. And also, why do you have those eyelashes?
I don't have them, your dad, your sisters don't have those.
You are the only one who has those. What is
going on here?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
And your husband is ready in five minutes and you're like,
I'll be there in an hour. Yeah, this is not
a white versus black thing. And that's where I feel
like a lot of women could have seen her as
this huge champion for women, even with these conversations. I mean, look,
when I was twenty years old, my hair started to
go gray. When I got cancer, my hair went really gray.
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And it is every I have to go to the
salon every three weeks and have my whole lot on.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
And then when you run.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
For office, which I see her as a similar situation
because as the first lady, you're really running alongside your husband. Man,
everybody has an opinion on what you wear. My jeans
were the most hideous jeans anybody's ever seen. How could
I wear the jeans? I was told? And I have
someone in the background laughing right now because she knows
what I'm talking about. How could you wear those jeans?
You look like an idiot. It's like people are not kind.
(09:37):
It's not a white versus black thing. It is a
public opinion and you have to be presented. And I
think it's for women. It is a lot different men
can wear. You as a man can wear the same shirt,
the same vest, the same jeans everywhere on the campaign trail.
Nobody's like, that's the same thing you've been wearing for
four months.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
If I did twice, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
And that's not even that's not just for or like
if you're running for office, So you ran for major office,
state office, statewide, you had to meet millions of people
and they were all judging you on your appearance and
your attributes, your qualifications. It was a double whammy. They
didn't just say, what is Tutor Dixon's background? Then when
they met you, they sized you up for the way
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that you look.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So the thing with Michelle Obama is she was subjected
to some very very rough criticism, you know, the accusations
that she's a biological man.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
There's a lot going on there.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I don't either, and I've actually lost opportunities in media
because I don't believe she's a biological man. And I
think it's ridiculous for us to assert that because we
actually have really great criticisms we can level against her
for her ideological worldview. She is a hardcore leftist that
is anti American, and so you know, I'd rather focus
on that. But it's not because she's black. I don't
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identify with her at that level. The woman thing that
you're mentioning is much more relatable to me because there
are things we face as women that are universal that
a woman in Afghanistan and a woman in China, and
an Italian woman and an American woman and a British
woman can all get together and within five women five minutes.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
If we're talking about womanhood.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
We're sisters because we are all facing the same things,
fighting our bodies, fighting the cultural perceptions, and trying to
be seen for intellect and our attributes as opposed to
whether or not we are overweight or underweight, or our
genes are not from a good place like if you
know men wear Walmart jeans. We wear four hundred dollars
jeans and still get criticized for them.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
It's amazing, But she's still missing it.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I mean, it's eight years at my favorite place we're
talking about.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Can I just say, can I just this is my thing?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Okay, it's you and me Tutor, sixteen hundred Pensylvania Avenue.
It's fifty five thousand square feet on five levels. There's
a super safe bunker inside. There's a huge kitchen in
the basement that's like it rivals the kitchens and palaces overseas.
But the best part is it also has its swimming pool,
bowling alley. Barack Obama auted the basketball court, soon to
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have a ballroom.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
But I digress.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Just as it is right now, just living there, just
being in the residence, the area. They don't open to
the public. I've been on tours there so many times.
I've been there dozens of times, and there's always something
new to find. There's always something amazing about being there.
And last time I was there earlier this year, we
went in through the entrance, which is the main entrance
where they receive you, where you can check your coat,
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And there's a portrait of Michelle Obama there. It's not
one of those big, huge, monstrous ones. It's like a
normal sized portrait. But she's wearing a very complimentary color,
and whoever painted her really did a great job.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
It was so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I took a picture of it and said it to
a friend, and I thought to myself, because I don't
identify with her, I don't. We have nothing in common
except that we're both married and have children. But the
portrait was so beautiful, and she's just so ungrateful. What
else do we have to do for you, Michelle? What
else can we possibly do? Do we all need to
get relaxers? Do we all need to go natural? What
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do we have to do for you to just be
in a man and kind of just love us like
all of us?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
The white people included all of them, that's what.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So that's there is this she's hung she's so hung
up on race. And she did not get elected by
just black people. She got elected by a lot of
white people. And what happen white people? They couldn't have
been elected. They could not have gone to the White
House without the white people.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And even a lot of us who didn't vote for
them when she was You know, I think for women mostly,
the first Lady is special. You think of the first
Lady as outside of politics. Even when Hillary Clinton was
first Lady. There's something special about first Lady. And even
when I go to the Museum in Washington, d C.
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And I take my girls through the First Lady section,
no matter what their political ideology, we look at the
fashion and it is exciting, and yes, it is a
special place. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue
next on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. When you are running
for office with your husband, you know that the First
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Lady is held to the standard of not just not
just beauty. You are like the example of a woman
in the country. And we loved that. We wanted to
love her, and actually I did. I wasn't on the
bandwagon if she's a man or any of that. Yeah,
I loved the fact that we had a black president
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and we had a black first Lady. But she now
I find out she hated us and that having.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
At the White House, she hated it because she couldn't
open windows.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
And I want to play.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Another thing another thing about her, talking about how she
had to present to white people because I think this
goes right into what we're talking about. I want to
play this because I want to hear reaction to this one.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Here it is.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
I remember when I realized that clothing, my hair, and
how I spoke could actually protect me from the microaggressions
of racism.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I was in my early teens.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Do you remember when you realized that clothing could be
a tool, or when you began to understand the power
of how to present yourself within the context of protection
or armor.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
The Magnet High School that I went to was on
the West Side, and to get to it, we had
to cut through downtown, so there was a level of
exposure to the high end of Chicago and to access
those places and not be accused of stealing, you realize
very early on that you better let them hear you talk,
or you know, come in with the right sack case,
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or else you would be watched. And you know, so
I think I learned then that how you show up,
especially when it comes to white folks looking at young
black kids, that how you present can sometimes save your life.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
So the other part she said, she that America is
not ready for a female president. She said that you
know the idea that the first Lady is a archetype
of a woman. I actually talk about this a lot
on the radio tutor that there is this archetype globally
of the man and woman that you want to be
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and a lot of foreigners might not readily admit it,
but it is the American man and the American woman
because we're the number one desired destination for immigration. And
so if you think about that in light of what
she's saying, that the first Lady is not the archetype
of woman for femininity, motherhood, and other attributes, instead of
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her saying it used to be just femininity and motherhood,
but now it's femininity, motherhood, grace, and also, you know,
work accomplishments, educational accomplishments. I'm an attorney. First Lady Hillary
Clinton is an attorney. All of the First Ladies that
we've had have had some distinguishing factor in, you know,
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their educational background, maybe their philanthropy, their work. Before they
became officially first ladies, it was almost as if they
were First Ladies in training and then their husbands were
elected and they stepped into this role and hired twenty
five people and did this job and so she again
misses the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
She misses the whole picture is that.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Women aren't just wives and moms, but we aren't just
lawyers either, because the men can't be wives and moms.
So if she's willing to simply drop the mantle, the
huge mantle of responsibility of being wives and mothers and
examples of femininity so that we can just be attorneys
or just be doctors or lawyers or whatever radio hosts,
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that seems to me like an abandonment of all the
work that feminists did. Feminists are the original ones. Were
never saying we don't want to be wives and moms.
They were saying, I want to be a lawyer first,
or I want to be a doctor first, or I
want to be a doctor and I want to have
a nanny. All of these things are options for us
that are not options I mentioned in Afghanistan before. You
can't be a doctor in Afghanistan right now under the Taliban,
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you can't even get an education. You can't bet in public,
seen with your natural hair. In Afghanistan, you can't be
out in public, you can't swim in public. There, you
can't even leave the house without a male relative.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
There.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
So when you look at why people want to be Americans,
and why men want to be American men, and why
women want to be American women, it's because you can
be an attorney and then be the first Lady of
the United States and then being ungrateful, you know what
with a book, you know afterwards, two books, And admittedly
the second book is a coffee table book. I saw
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it at Barnes and Nobles and it's actually beautiful.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Millions and millions of dollars, Oh yeah, she They went
to the White House to think they were worth a
couple million, and that was mostly in their residence in Chicago,
like the residents, was the bulk of their wealth.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And they came out with a sixty million dollar deal
with Netflix, and she had the book deal on the side,
and immediately did the book, and it sold out. They
were selling the tickets to go listen to her talk
about the book for eight hundred dollars a pop in
the nosebleeds twelve hundred dollars to be on the floor
where you could see her. This is a woman who
has had some amazing opportunities and I don't begrudge for
any of it.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
She made it there. She and her husband did it
on their own.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I believe their election was a mistake, but they were
in the White House, and they are former President and
former First Lady Obama. But the deal for me is,
so there are people out there who get to speak
into us. They speak into our culture, and they try
to change the direction of our culture with their words,
and oftentimes they're successful. Barack Obama tried for eight years
to tell us that we aren't exceptional, that we aren't
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a unique and special country with an impact on the world,
that we aren't leaders. For eight years we listened to him,
and then we elected Donald Trump, who, from the very
first moment he came down the escalator said not only
are we exceptional, but we're exceptional to the point that
we'll rock your socks off. We'll have peace through strength,
will be energy dominant, and we will change the paradigm
for Americans. And for four years he did that, and
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so we changed our perspective, and we've been awesome ever since.
We spent eight years romanticizing a man who said, hope
and change, but you're not awesome, and then elected a
man who said, actually you are.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
And what does hope and change mean? And I think
she's stuck.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
She's desperate to carry the you're not awesome mantle.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
She's desperate to kill we don't want it, we don't
want it, and honestly, we don't want her. That's the
other thing.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I kind of wish, now that she's written a couple
of books, that she'd go and be somebody's grandma. Like
I know, her daughters are probably never gonna get married
and have kids for her, So maybe she got to
adopt a young woman who's thirty, who has a couple
of kids, and start spending time around babies again, and
maybe get something in her life that's meaningful and hopeful,
because being rich and owning five houses isn't it for her.
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You'd never see me again if I had a house
on Martha's vineyards. But she's constantly in our faces.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
It's just but she's in She's in our faces and
saying she doesn't want to be there, which is ridiculous
to see someone who goes out on tour across the
country and says how much she hates it. Her disdain
for being first lady just there. When you saw in
that clip when she asks her about that and not
how I see it at all. Think of what she
could have shaped in that position. Like you said, she
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is an attorney. She could have gone into that position
and been like, look, we are a power couple. And
I think that's what we expected to see. She didn't
like the spotlight, she didn't like the White House. Now
we know, well the reason we didn't see her more
active out there was because she hated every minute of it.
She's said that in her podcast since then. She's come
out she's just like me, me, me, show me to
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talk about how much I hated the United States. But
you're right, it's very race focused. But the first time
we heard her in that clip being asked, you know
what about the presidency, and she says, clearly, we are
not ready for a woman, and I'm not going to
step into this nobody.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
She couldn't win.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Now I don't believe anyway, because she's been so nasty
to people, But she still wants people to say you're
the only one that can win, just so that she
can come out and say you're not ready for a woman.
And I thought the funniest part about this is she goes,
we clearly just saw that the United States is not
ready for a woman.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Wait a minute, that's not what that was.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
We're not ready for Gombla.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Harry, You're right exactly, that's not what that was.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
And I feel like also the conversation gets dumbed down
when we refer to who needs to be the next
president as we need a woman president. What we need
every time we're electing a president is someone who understands
the history of this country, the founding, and appreciates the
heritage that we all carry as Americans. And that person
needs to be America focused. And that's a struggle because
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the world has become used to us being more focused
on them than ourselves, and so it's a struggle for
the commander in chief to actually execute on that. But
we need someone who's focused on that. And if that's
a woman, amazing. If that person's black, okay, I'm main
mainly obsessed with and focused on that person's personal attributes
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and qualifications more so than the package that they come in.
And I think as long as we have that same
kind of focus, especially on the right side of the aisle,
like the ticket for twenty twenty eight, people are talking
about that in tutor, I actually think and I was
having a bunch with a friend who is in town.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
My husband and I met him at this little restaurant
and he suggested that if we're looking for a woman
who also has those attributes and qualifications, it might be
Sarah how could be Sanders? And I was so excited
by that because I love her and I think she
is very qualified. She's also a governor, which is a great.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Thing to have.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
She could run with Rubio. So we could have Rubio
Sanders and it would be pretty epic. But if it's
not going to be Sarah Hawkaby Sanders or some other
woman who is absolutely qualified beyond being a woman, then
it's you know, maybe it's Rubio Vance, or maybe it's
Vance Rubio. I know, there are a lot of different iterations,
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and people have their you know what they want. So
there are people who are still talking about the Santas
He's about to leave the governor's mansion. But in all
of these conversations, if the the genitalia of the person
is the first consideration, like the Democrats, we lose. They
lost because they were focused on Kamala Harris being a
woman and they didn't remember four years of word salad.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I mean but let's say they were happy with her
as vice president, nobody was happy with her as president,
and they are now going right back to the slick
white guy with Gavin Newsom politicos saying he's the twenty
twenty eight front runner. I mean, she can't be complaining
about white Republicans when that's what Democrats are gonna put up.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, and you know, Tutor, your lips to God's ears,
because I think Gavin Newsom is eminently beatable because he
can't control his temper, right, He's actually easier for us
to beat than if they run someone who was less known.
And I believe I've never believed, So let me just
be clear before I make my statement, Tutor, I have
never once believed that Michelle Obama was running. I had
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a guy on my show like four or five times
who has written a book and done a documentary about
how she's going to run for the presidency and how
she's been groomed to do it since she was like
a little girl, and I debunked every one of his
assertions and we had fun debates. But I never believed
it until I was at the Barnes and Noble picking
up my book club selection for the month, which I
was very late in getting to and rushing around, and
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on the center paid tables was Michelle Obama's book. I
flipped through it. It's a glossy coffee table book. It's oversized,
it's beautiful. So, first of all, because I'm a person,
I love appreciating beauty.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I love it so much. I have an interior design
is my hobby.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I'm constantly buying things and refurbishing them and also collecting things.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I know beauty when I see it.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
And this book was designed to help you forget all
of the horrible things she's said about America and focus
on her clothing, her hair, the images that are previously
unreleased from the archives at the White House of their
time in DC State dinners, her looking very demure and
very much a woman, very very slinky outfits, her seated
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in places where these are images we haven't seen. Because
I've been on the White House press list for the
entire all the Obama the years, I've seen these pictures.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
I've not seen these in this book.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I get my book, I go up to the front
table at the front to actually check out, and right
there in front of me is the cover of People magazine.
She's on that, so this is a cleansing tool or
she's on I believe it's going to go on for
three years, and I think she's going to announce. Now
she says she's not, but she didn't. She didn't ask
the clip they played the clip. She didn't say, I'm
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not running. She said, you're not ready for a woman president.
So maybe she's turning on getting us ready right, So
I don't want her to run. It's not that I
want her. But James Carvel said on his podcast or
on the pod pod, the you know the one that
they the pod guys whatever it is, that is the
liberal big podcast. He was on there with that guy
and he said, we're going to win in twenty twenty eight,
(26:31):
and we're going to pack the Supreme Court and we're
going to legalize thirty million, uh you know, migrants. So
we're gonna we're going to set the reset the table
and make everything right again. He said, we're going to win. Well,
I believe they've gotten her to agree to run. I
don't know what they had to give her. Maybe they're
going to own an island or a small nation that
we don't know the name of. They're just going to
give it to the Obamas. I don't know, but I
believe she's gearing up for that, because otherwise, why do
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we have to listen to her? Like you said, why
is she doing a podcast? If she hates the spotlight?
Why is she doing a pod has with her brother?
Why is she now doing this coffee table book?
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Now? It could be just a vanity thing. I could
be wrong. I mean, you know, I'm a human being, but.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
There's something different about the way like that that things
she was just doing there where she's trying to identify
with all the people in the country who aren't white,
and so you still need white people to vote for you.
But they have enough college educated moms who are on
the left to kind of buttress what they're doing. What
they're going to focus on is socialism and the alliance
with these these disparate factions like AOC and Bernie Sanders,
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and their obsession with communism because they call it socialism
but it's communism. They're going to cobble those things together
and try to recreate what mom Donnie did in New
York City, which is due largely and he was elected
because Republicans didn't turn out. We have to learn how
to turn out when Trump's not on the ballot. That's
that we have some own, our own systemic issues to
deal with. But Tudor I sometimes when I when I
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see people talking about her or see her trending again,
I'm like, this is a woman who hates the spotlight.
She hates America. She has enough money to leave. You
know a lot of people who found America to be
too racial, they just moved to France.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
They moved.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Tina Turner took up residency in Italy and died there,
like she didn't even die in America. There are Americans
who are famous who whatever they don't like, they leave,
even Ella Ella and degenerous and Portia de Rossi moved
to Great Britain, bought a mini castle there which prompably
flooded and now they're having all kinds of issues with
their property. But I mean they left the country. They
said they couldn't be here because of Trump. So why
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don't the Obamas leave if they hate it here so much,
if it's so horrible.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
And for those who are listening, you've been watching politics
for a very long time, this is meaningful. The nuances
that you see the changes that you see are meaningful.
You're getting messages that the average person might not see.
I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Well, I'm just telling you that.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
When we see someone who says I hate it here,
but they're constantly in our faces. She's paying people, right,
you don't just end up on a stage in front
of a thousand people who like you and have this
woman who's not really political. Tracy Ellis Ross is not.
She's on the left. Right, she's obviously on the left.
She does that in her television show Blackish. But Tracy
(29:10):
Ellis Ross is kind of you know, she's not out
at campaign events, but she's interviewing the former First Lady
and they're talking about hair. They're trying to make her relatable.
What she doesn't understand is for most of us, that's
not relatable. I actually laugh in natural hair when I
hear Michelle Obama talking about hair, because she has a
stylist who probably charge her eight hundred dollars an hour
to make her hair straight. And that's fine. I don't
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begrudge her anything that she has. I just I'm kind
of tired of her complaining about it. When you have
that level of access where you can call any Hollywood
celebrity because they're all on the left, they're all her
best friends. When you can fly on a jet and
be anywhere you want in the world, and you know,
any amount of time when you could do anything you want,
and all you choose to do is complain, I'm like,
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isn't there some shopping that needs to be done? Isn't
aren't there any chairs at your house that need to
be reupholstered. Shouldn't you be sitting with the designer and
paing out fabric, or maybe doing a new landscape plan
for the beach that you cordoned off from all the
regular people in on your property in Hawaii the Magnum
p I House. Don't you have something there that needs
remodeling or doing, or some people you could order around?
Maybe open up the house in Chicago. You haven't been
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there in a while. Maybe open it up and go
host a party there. What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Like?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
What what all of us.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Want to entertain with a team? I want twenty five
people to do what I want and make my parties rock.
Instead I'm doing it myself. Bec I'm a regular person.
Why aren't you using any of these fun things? Like
she obviously has been working out with a trainer. Did
you see her legs in that shot?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I know, I was like a zep's a tricky thing.
I don't know who.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
How did people get so thin so fast?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Amazing? So why not just go with that? I mean,
why are you still doing it? But there is a
glow up.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. She can say that this is
expected of her, but she is choosing a glow up
right now. And I'm saying from that standpoint of being
suddenly very physically fit. She is out there on the
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front stage every and I didn't nobody. I mean, if
her hair is such an issue, why does she keep
doing it that way? Why doesn't she lead the trend
of doing her hair differently?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I mean, she's yes, exactly, So that's the other thing.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
First, lady, she has the power to do that.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
She could just have said I got so much flak
from wearing braids to try to protect my relaxed hair
that I went natural and so you should too, and
everybody would be on the bandwagon, and people like yourself
would be like, oh, I realized this was an issue.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
But she's leading the charge natural hair could be wrong with.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
That because it could have been presented in a way
to make women go kind of like, oh my gosh, yes,
we're in this with you. This is the patriarchy.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
We need to you know. She just has to jab
she was deeper. But there's so much to be in
common with.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Because when I sit around with my friends at lunch
and we start talking about hair, and most of my
friends are white, they're complaining about their hair in the
same way that I'm.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Complaining about my My hair is dry, I'm deep conditioning.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I've had some breakage, and they're like, oh, well, you know,
I go and get mine died and she got it
the wrong color and I'm like it looks good to me,
and They're like, no, I've been back twice to fix it.
I'm like, oh my gosh, did you get charged. So
we're complaining our skin, what are you using? I'm using
this peel I've been you know, we all share the
same dermatologist, oddly enough, so we we all go to
the same lady and we're all getting different things done,
and it's like this it's just women talking about how
(32:28):
hard it is to try to be presentable. And the
other part is if you're rich, if you're worth one
hundred million dollars, why don't you just throw on a
pair of really expensive like better than Lululemon or whatever
that is, some leggings, a good top, a ghost sit
outside with you like beer or you like tea or
whatever you like. Just go sit on one of your big, huge,
(32:50):
expansive ocean front decks. You have five properties to pick from.
Take a jet to one of your properties, go sit out,
snap your fingers, and whoever it is that your current
butler or cook will come, have them make you something,
and just enjoy your life. Like why are you complaining
to us? All of us have real problems, Like I
actually buy my own groceries and I pop my own gas.
I've been reveling and how cheap gases and how Porterhouse
(33:13):
steaks have come down about twenty percent, which is really
great because I make a mean Porterhouse steak and my
husband loves it, and I hate paying twenty eight dollars
per steak. It's really great to have them back down
to like nineteen bucks. So I'm I'm like, why don't
you just go do something rich people do?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Like there was some but that's a good point. She's
staying out there. She wants us to see her. I
love your insight there.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I don't know if I'm right, but I got the
sick feeling in the pit of my stomach because I've
always believed she's not running, and for the first time ever, ever,
since I've been doing any of this stuff, I feel
like she could be getting ready to run, Like I
feel like this is it's never been real before. Maybe
she just does this pr thing and then fades to
black and we can all take a sigh of relief.
(33:58):
But Democrats really want to recreate what they had with
the Obamas. Remember the hope and change. It was no
real message.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Well, I think you're right, because I mean you are
right because they are flailing for a message right now.
If they can bring that feeling back, that nostalgia back,
and they have this powerful woman in that place, they
they hit, they kill multiple birds with one stone. I mean,
they're they're back in the game and they're.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Like anybody the memory of Kamala right because that was
such a disaster, and they can get Charlemagne back on board.
You know, he's been very critical, He was very very
critical of Kamala and he set her political careers over.
They can also squash that bug because you know, she's
still circling thinking maybe I should run one more time,
and the Democrats are like, no, because we still have
(34:44):
campaign debt from your last run. We're still paying you
off really honestly. So you know, Judter, we just have
to pray that the Lord will prevent like it's because
it's the Obama's the first time they were a curse
on us. They were a curse on our country and
the way they tried to convince us that horrible people.
And we survive that because Americans are very resilient. Our
country is resilient. But another four years or eight years
(35:09):
of Obama's constantly down talking us. The Obamas are that
person where if you lose thirty pounds, that person comes
up to you and says.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
You look good, but you still have a little bit
of a poonch.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
You know, you still have a little of a stomach,
and you're like, I've I just burned off thirty human
pounds and my body looks amazing. And everyone else is
like you look so good, and you look down You're like,
I barely see anything.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Do you see a stomach.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Now all day long, you're thinking about your stomach instead
of thinking about having lost thirty pounds. That's the Obama's
They will literally tell you what's wrong with you, even
when you're like at your highest moment.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
We have Americans need more high moments, we.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Need They are the ultimate bullies. And I think when
you hear people talk about malicious empathy, this is what
we're talking about. Do not sit in the corner and
feel bad for Michelle Obama because she has it.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Made she is.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
This is a manipulation. This is how bullies work. I mean,
this is like a bad marriage. We're in with them.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yes, yes, that's exactly what it's like. Because in a
bad marriage, you never let go of the slights. In
a good marriage, you have to put things behind you
because you realize it's a long haul and your husband
is gonna make mistakes.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
You're gonna make mistakes.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Thank God, my husband doesn't hold all my mistakes against me,
and so I therefore shouldn't hold heads against him.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
I should let them go.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
And sometimes you have to go without apologies, You have
to go without acknowledgements because you have kids to raise,
you have a business to run, You have whatever it
is that you are working on. If it's nothing but
just getting what are we having for dinner? My gosh,
we have to decide that every day. It's ridiculous how
we have to eat dinner every night and we have
to pick it so we you know, we we have
(36:45):
mountains to climb, we have dragons to slay, and the
Obamas won't let us be great. That's my problem. They're great,
They're worth millions of dollars. Why can't we be great, tutor?
Why can't we just like, why can't we just acknowledge
that our hair is no longer a big deal for
us as black women, that all old women sometimes wear
weaves and wigs, that we are all really we have so.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Much in common.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Like white women are not sitting up thinking about oppressing anybody.
They're thinking about their thighs and cellulite and creatine, which
is a new thing.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
They're menopause, well, the menopause. They're thinking about grandkids.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
You're thinking about, oh, my gosh, well will my children
ever get married and have grandkids? You're thinking about all
kinds of things, and we're thinking the same thing most
of us. As I will just speak for black women
who are on the right side of the political aisl
there are millions of us.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
We're thinking about the same things. I have never once
gotten up and thought, oh, it's so hard, my hair
is so hard.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I've never thought that is the first thing out of
her mouth every time she speaks is about race or
hair or black people not being able to swim. That's
also that's not true anymore, it used to be true.
Now most elementary school programs in the South where this
was a problem have a swimming course that they offer
during the school year and in the summer to close
that gap. So it's like, what what decade is she
(38:04):
living in?
Speaker 3 (38:05):
In America? Today?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Most black people can swim. Most black people choose the
hair that they want. Women and men wear the hairstyle
that they want. If you're on active duty, you do
have some different things that you have to abide. Bye,
But that is so you can serve the country.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
And that is regardless of who you are. Also, I
mean men women were.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
To no, no, they can't, and so everybody in the
military is subject to the same standard. So I I
just I ask, as you do, tutor, why is she
out here?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Why?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
And we're going to have to figure it out because
if she runs, oh wow.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
I agree, I agree, But if she runs, I'm having
you back on because I love this conversation.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
I love talking to you, Stacy, how much you are awesome.
Thank you so much. Great to be on your show.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Oh it's it's been a pleasure, honestly a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
It was so much fun.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
And thank you all for listening to us at the
Tutor Dixon Podcast. Remember to check us out on the
iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts and
Rumble or YouTube, and make sure you join us next time.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
As always, have a blessed day.
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