September 30, 2023 • 36 mins
Washington Post poll shows Trump leading Biden by 10 points, Dems in panic. Democrats out of touch with Americans feeling economic pain. Dem strategist says Biden is in better position than Obama at this point. Newsom-DeSantis debate date set. NBC poll: 59% of Dem primary voters want different choice than Biden. Joe Scarborough: Kamala criticism is racist and sexist. Clay and Buck take calls.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Happy Monday, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome to The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. And
there's a lot to discuss. As tends to be the
case on Mondays, we have some stunning polling about Donald
Trump Joe Biden. We're going to dive into that momentarily.
Are they hitting the panic button over at the DNC
(00:30):
about Biden's future? Here? Is they have they actually said
it is time for the break the glass plan? You know?
Are they getting down to funny? People will say, are
they at deaf Con five? That would be like no
big deal? Deaf Con one would be nuclear war the
really big deal. But are they at like two or
three right now? In terms of the politics here? Are
(00:52):
they a little concerned about Joe Biden? We shall get
into that. You also have Gavin new some veto to
Bill on Friday that would take affirmation of child's gender
identity into consideration when making custody and visitation decisions, which
I think is an interesting story we'll get you later.
(01:13):
He vetered it because he believes it's already taken into account,
just to be clear.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So that's why this is on the radar.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Really interesting study out of or poll out of Rasmus,
and more than two thirds of American voters are worried
that their country is turning into a police state. And
I have a particular view on this, and I think
that in the era of the four simultaneous Trump felony indictments,
(01:41):
we have to look at this and take this all
very seriously. But also as individuals and as Americans, this
is increasingly a reality of day to day life here.
Crimes that are just crimes because the government says so,
or because you've upset the politics of the Democrats. That'll
get you in a whole lot of trouble, you know,
parading inside the Capitol without a license. But the stuff
(02:04):
that makes everyone's lives difficult and cost lives day to day,
the crime in cities and towns across America, and the
criminals who are conducting or committing those acts. Democrats take
a very different, very different approach to that, at least
in terms of their philosophy. So we'll get into all that,
but Clay, we've got to start here with these these
(02:24):
these numbers.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
You know, it's it's getting down to the wire. I'll say,
this is getting.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Down to the wire about how long we can continue
to have this discussion. Will there be some other plan
to Joe Biden. I'm still at this point. I can't
you know, I can't change my bed, right, So.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
It would be it would be totally unacceptable for you
to just suddenly, after six or eight months or whatever
it is, just to suddenly bail.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
That said, there are a lot of people in Democrats
circles to award. Let's look at these numbers. Clay Washington
Post ABC poll shows Biden trailing Trump nationally by ten points.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Now this is an outlier.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
There are other national polls that show them effectively tied. Yeah,
and if you you know, told me, you gotta tell me,
you know, if I have no choice but to tell
you what the most likely situations right now, I think
it's closer to tide than it is ten points.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
But the fact that there is a serious poll out.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
There that could show at this phase a substantial lead
for Donald Trump, I mean, Clay, are really to two
or three points at this point would should scare Democrats, right,
because what do you think they're making of this? And
and also the fact that Biden is at a all
time low approval rating thirty seven percent fifty six percent disapproving.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, so again, I would just say when I saw
this come out, I think it came out late Sunday,
Saturday night, like post midnight. I was watching you USC
and Arizona State football late night, like a deviate crazy
college football fan that I am, and I'm scrolling through
my Twitter feed and boom, this Washington Post pole.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Pops up and I immediately read it.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And what I would say is significant about this buck
is it feels to me like much of official Washington
is starting to hit the panic button on Joe Biden.
Because we've said this before on the show, but I
do think it's important to think about the only rationale
for Joe Biden to run in twenty twenty four is
(04:36):
that he beat Trump in twenty twenty and they think
he'll win a rematch. If you told me, and I
understand the Trump people out there who are diehards, if
you told me that it was going to be Nicky
Haley or Vivey Gramaswami or Ron DeSantis that were going
to be the nominees, I think Democrats would bail on
(04:58):
Joe Biden in a hurr, because I think the age
difference would be so compelling and so overwhelming. Here is
to me when I look at these numbers, I do
think that there probably is. Look, if Trump's gonna win
by ten points, then then look, I would love for
that to happen.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I think there's a zero percent chance by the time
we got to an election that Trump could be Biden
by ten points. I do think what's happening Buck is
right now everything is a referendum on Biden, and the
goal of the Biden administration and the entire twenty twenty
four campaign is going to be to try to make
twenty twenty four a referendum on Trump. And usually what
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are elections with incumbents about, Buck the incumbent, right, Usually
it is, hey, has this guy done a good enough
job to continue to be the representative, to continue to
be the President of the United States, senator, governor whatever
it is?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
And right now the answer is Biden hasn't done a
good enough job.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
The only they win is if they can make it
a referendum on Trump, because I do believe that they
are confident that they can get a lot of people
to show up and vote against Trump, not for Biden
against Trump. And I think this is one of those
things where you have to go back in and say,
just have you ever seen And I like to ask
(06:20):
this question because I think it's clarifying him anyways, Buck,
you ever see anybody in a Biden hat? You ever
seen anybody walk around in a Biden T shirt? You
ever see anybody who is like a diehard Biden guy
or girl anywhere in the country, because I have it anywhere.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
There's a I don't remember his name. There's a comedian
who has a bit where he says there's no Biden merch,
which is true. Yeah, no one, No one rocks a
Biden T shirt. Correct, There is no Biden. It's one
hundred percent correct. And so it's not a Biden vote,
it's an anti Trump vote. And so what I wonder,
(06:55):
and this is the thing I've been talking about for
a few months now, is.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
At what point point do the Democrat powerbrokers as they
are Again, the Washington Post had a top columni say
Biden should run. Now they're bringing out a column that
says Biden is a ten point underdog and a head
to head against Trump. It comes out simultaneously with this,
with this poll from NBC News which shows Biden hitting
(07:20):
an all time low buck.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I grabbed some of the data. Listen to some of this.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Off of the Washington Post poll because I read it
and I was like, I can't even believe some of
these numbers. Would you describe what your view is as excellent, good,
not so good, or poor? Food prices eight percent said
excellent or good? Gas are energy prices? Twelve percent said
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excellent or good.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Incomes of average Americans twenty one percent said excellent or good.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
And for Joe Biden, the situation at the border bock
twenty three percent approval twenty three percent.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
That is unbelievable to be that bad. Thirty percent on
the economy when you look at the numbers that are
really upsetting people here in terms of the economy, I
saw something today that said it was a stat that
said that even for people who are making one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars a year in this country, I
saw that a third of them are living paycheck to paycheck. Yes,
(08:24):
a third of people making one hundred and fifty grand
are living paycheck to paycheck. I mean I live paycheck
to paycheck. When I was making forty grand a year.
I remember what that was like to be living paycheck
to paycheck at one fifty. Yeah, means that people are
really feeling the pinch because that's that's energy prices, that's rent,
that's housing, that's you know, they're they're they're not you know,
(08:47):
making the con they're not making reckless decisions. I think
all of a sudden, it's just that people are having
to pay more for the things that they really need.
Credit Card debt also going up very rapidly right now.
And as a country. I mean someone that I know
was a Wall Street guy whence told me said, you
have to remember America is the greatest wealth generation machine
in the history of the planet. Which is which is true.
(09:09):
And it's interesting, right, there's we our economy and the
productivity of America in general is such that we should
be getting it should be the TV effect, Right, We've
all seen.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
You look at a TV. You remember your TV when
you were in college.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I mean it was like, yeah, weighed like two hundred pounds,
was like three feet deep.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
You have to kick it if it went.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Now you got to get twenty seven inch TV buck
and we were like, this is livid, large and our
dorm room likes kicking back like this is on how
big the screen is, you know, like at the four
of us to.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Carry it right?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
You know, now you have seventy inch flat flush against
the wall TVs everywhere, and you know they cost like
you can get them for like four or five hundred
bucks now, I mean they cost very little. And that's
just because things have gotten more efficient, you know, and
less expensive and better. The problem is that some of
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these commodities food, energy, there are policy decisions, most notably
the massive government expenditures and the inflation that it created
that has resulted in this economic pain and there hasn't
been any accountability for it politically. And the Biden administrations,
you know, they just they just declared a whole bunch
(10:25):
of land, you know, off limits to drilling. They're doing
all the wrong things in this environment, Clay. When people
are having a hard time affording groceries and gas, I
want to say a hard time. Okay, maybe they can
afford it, but they're running up that credit card a
little more every month, a little more every month. And
for John Kerry to be traveling the world like some
kind of maniac talking about how humanity is going to
(10:46):
cause humanity's extinction because of CO two while he's flying
everywhere on private jets. There is a massive disconnect here
and Republicans need to speak to it.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, and that's why I looked at the nine percent approval.
When it comes to food prices, people understand that. That's
why I keep saying, go through the drive through of
a fast food restaurant and look at what it costs you. Now,
so when the Biden people are trying to sell well,
inflation is back down to three point seven percent or
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whatever the heck it is, and they're trying to say
it's not so bad, the baked in cost is huge.
What you are paying for your groceries, what you are
paying for your fast food meals from one year to
the next to take care of your family. That money
never comes back. And so that is where I think
there's a great deal of anger. Now here's the question,
(11:36):
and this is the one that I keep hammering buck
because I do think it's so interesting of a question.
If sixty some odd percent of Democrat voters are saying
they don't want to vote for Joe Biden, will anyone
we talked about this last week, will any Democrat that
has an existing office, right, somebody who has a platform,
somebody that has an actual audience.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Will any of them announce they're running?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Because if one person did it, Buck, I think a
bunch more would jump in. And I think Biden would
announce that he's not going to run for reelection in
twenty twenty four. I think all it would take is
one person, and I don't know who that person is,
but I think as soon as Biden got challenged by
one guy or girl out there of a substantial nature,
then I think there would be a bunch of people running.
(12:22):
Nobody wants to be the first, but I think there
are a lot of people inching more and more towards
that line. And I think Biden would would announce that
he's not running because I don't think he could win
a contested primary. I really don't.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I just the timeline here becomes so it's tight now,
no doubt. And I think also you have to look
at this as there's all this messaging that has existed
up to this point. I mean, good old Joe Scarboro
or over at MSNBC. I mean, there's a lot of
people who are saying Biden's fit as a fiddle even
(12:58):
just great, he's fantastic. The hard left turn that you
would have to see here from the entire Democrat media
apparatus suddenly say.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
You know what, a primary is a great idea.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Oh no, what they would say, Buck is you know
what Joe Biden, he did everything that I mean, they
would take the tack of they would immediately pivot.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I'm not saying they can't pivot. I'm just saying it
would require a lot of them who have been saying
Biden's great, he's fantastic to say Biden cares more about
the country than.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
His own you know future?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, I don't. I just I don't see it. But
what do you think, folks, anyone out there got a theory?
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Speaker 2 (14:44):
Welcome back to Get Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. If
you wonder what it's like to have no gaggeryflex, this
is what it sounds like sometimes when you go on
MSNBC and you decide that you have to praise Joe
Biden to the ends of the earth. This is what
Democrat strategist Cornell Belcher had to say about Joe Biden
(15:06):
being way better positioned than Obama.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
And he has a great story to tell about his
old age. Listen If you look at.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Where Biden is right now, he's not that dramatically different
from where the you know the President campaign.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Who I worked on was at this time going in.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Twenty eleven, right Obama was running behind Mitt Romney. In
a lot of ways, Biden is even better positioned than
Obama was in a story that he has to tell
because he does have a story to tell about regardless
about his old age. You know, you know what his
aige and wisdom has been able to do. It's been
able to move transformative pieces of legislation that no president
(15:40):
has ever been able to do before.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Okay, Buck, you said, will the chattering class you know
have to chip? They'll just they have no shame. I mean,
to go on and argue that Joe Biden is better
positioned and has a better story and his age is
not a factor than Obama would be is pretty crazy.
(16:03):
I mean, you can dislike Obama. He was a really
talented politician and also he wasn't eighty.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I just I really feel like we are moving rapidly
towards a oh crap moment for Biden, and it may
be something that he does publicly that finally brings it
into full full discussion. It just feels like deja vu
to me, though, because I was among those who in
twenty twenty during the primary for Democrats was saying, I mean,
(16:34):
there's no way it could be Biden, like that guy's
a joke, and here we are so and people said, oh,
he's gonna have a malfunction on stage and everyone's gonna
see it, and he didn't, and here we are. So.
I don't want to run the same run the same
playbook here and think that the result necessarily is going
to be different, or use the same analytic framework that
(16:57):
all said, Look, it's it's pretty much ready to go.
If Joe Biden decides to step down for any kind
of a health reason, it would have to be I
think the question just becomes to they think that they
could make Kamala Harris, you know, could she win if
she were president? She stepped into the role. That's where
all the anxiety comes from. This wouldn't even be a
discussion otherwise.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
But don't you think he's objectively worse than he was
in twenty twenty?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Though?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
When you hear him talk, of course, I mean way worse, right,
I think he's objectively worse.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I also think that the Democrats are all of their
hopes are pinned onto this. He's running against Donald Trump,
who is the most polarizing in their minds, politician of
our lifetime, who is facing four criminal indictments. Yeah, that's
the that's their whole economy, healthcare border. I think they
(17:47):
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Speaker 1 (18:46):
Today.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Looks like it's gonna happen, the debate between Governor Ron
DeSantis and Governor Gavin Newsom. It will be on Fox
News on November thirtieth, so something to look forward to
there on the calendar a ways out. I actually think
it'll get good ratings for a number of reasons. One
(19:07):
of them is primary hasn't really been a whole lot
of anything these days on the Republican side. We're not
hearing much about RFK Junior either. On the Democrat side,
he had a moment, for sure, but the numbers aren't
really budging. On the Republican side, you can say Trump
is up roughly fifty points.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I mean, that's effectively.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
That's kind of the back of the Napkin math average
that I would give it, and that doesn't look like
it's something that's likely to I think it's highly unlikely
that that would change anytime soon. So that allows us
to focus kind of earlier than we had anticipated. It's
almost like, you know, if You're going into a tennis
major and you think you're going to have a couple
(19:50):
of really tough matches to watch in the semis and
the you know, the quarters in the semis, and you
have like two players pull out for injuries. And now
we've been sitting around like, yeah, that the final is
going to be amazing because there's really not a whole
lot to get into in the primary at this stage.
That may change. There is a Fox Business Fox Business
Channel debate on Wednesday, which we'll be talking to you
(20:12):
a lot about this week. Look, it's interesting to have
these discussions about what's happening policy wise. We're getting to
know some of the future I think of the Republican
Party politically, regardless of the outcome of twenty twenty four.
But back to Biden's stuff for a second year, Clay,
we didn't play this right about the sixty percent of
Democrat primary voters. Now sometimes forget this, Yeah, sixty percent
(20:36):
of Democrat primary voters this cut three say well, I'll
let you hear what they say.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Play it.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
We asked primary voters on the Democratic side, do you
want options next year besides Biden? Fifty nine percent said yes,
they do This is not a normal number for an incumbent.
We asked the same question a year before Donald Trump
sought reelection of Republics only thirty seven percent on in
more choices then as a very high number. It raises
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the question to what else concerns Democrats? And I think
this gets to sort of the elephant in the room here,
Biden's age and fitness. Almost three out of four in
our poll. This is Democrats, Republicans, independents say it's a
major or moderate concern for them.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, well, this is why, Buck.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Let's pretend we're evil geniuses, all right, We're evil Democrat geniuses,
and all we want is for.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Our guy or our girl to.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
End up president of the United States. This is the argument,
like I just keep coming back to in my head, Buck,
if you, let's say you are Let's use Pritzker, this
billionaire governor of Illinois. Right, he has all the money
he could possibly need. He's already been elected twice now,
so he's, you know, serving out his final term. If
he wants to be president of the United States, then
(21:58):
his platform is Okay, you wait and you.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Run in twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
But if you wait and run in twenty eight then
you have to somehow get over and past Kamala Harris
in the identity politics Leyden Democrat primary, and she's a
black woman and you're a white guy. It's actually easier
to run against the old white guy and win the
nomination when there's only a couple of people potentially running
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to me in twenty four than it would be to
win as a white guy running against a black woman
as the favorite when there might be twenty Democrats that
are running in twenty eight. I look at everything from
a game theory and probability perspective. If your goal is
to be president of the United States, there's actually a
huge advantage for Democrats to move. And you can point
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two polls like these which say, hey, sixty percent of
Democrats want somebody else. Now, maybe you lose, And then
your concern is, oh, you've upset people in the DNC
everything else. And I get that if you're not independently wealthy.
But if you're a billionaire like Pritzker, why do you care, Like,
if you want to be president of the United States,
go for it.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Well, I think that he will run in the next cycle,
and why not run at this phase because he won't
even with a billion Look, Mike Bloomberg was a billionaire
and he tried as a Republican and he got nowhere. Okay,
so just having the money to run and spend doesn't
mean a darn thing. Jeb exclamation point, spend one hundred
(23:30):
million dollars and got a delegate.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
If we all recall what.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Happened back in twenty sixteen, it was a very expensive
exclamation point. So what you see here, I think is
Democrats are circling in case that you know, the party machinery.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Would have to make this decision.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
You know, the Obama advisors we've talked about, the people
in the White House were running the day to day,
they would have to make this decision.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
And I've seen that even Democrats admitting that they don't
think that Joe Biden will step down under any circumstances whatsoever. Yeah,
this is who Joe Biden is. Look at we talk
about the fetterman effective fair amount, right, which I think
was something we've coined here on the show, which is
people will vote for somebody no matter how incompetent or
how incapable of doing the job they are, if they're
the right party. Look at Feinstein, though Feinstein held on
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to that job Clay to the point where you know,
it's just, yeah, she's now gone. I mean you know
she's mentally gone. Effectively, she cannot function and needs round
the clock care. She never resigned, She never said I've
had too much. So I don't think Joe Biden, while
he's a president, while he's in the Oval office, is
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going to decide on his own so what half to
the machinery around him. The reason I think that Pritzker
and others don't necessarily get into it is they know
there's a lot that goes into running that if all
this stuff is against you, you're not going to be
able to make a dent. You know, if the Democrat
machinery at the DNC, if all the networks, if all
the newspapers think that. You look what they've done to
RFK Junior. Yeah, they've treated him like an evil Republican,
(25:05):
which is funny because he actually is a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
If you listen to him, he's just really good on.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
COVID and now he's talking about running as and also
the border. He came out and said we have to
solve everything going on the border. Now RFK Junior is
talking about running as a libertarian, which would actually be
I think harmful to Trump more so than it would
be harmful too.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
And the other part of it too. Yeah, you know,
we're making this assumption. We're so early on in this process.
And like I said, if you had told us a
year ago, Hey, Buck Clay, what do you guys get
to be talking about September of twenty twenty three, be like, oh, man,
you know who's getting ahead in this state or that
state in the Republican primary. We didn't think it would
just be like Trump is lapping the competition. You know,
(25:45):
if you watch Formula one. I mean they have to
get out of the way because he's just going faster
and faster all the time. So that means that there
is a little bit more of a focus on the
future of things. I did think this was kind of
this was kind of a moment. Do we have Scarborough
talking about why there's anti Kamala Harris chatter?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Right now? You see, Oh we do it, We do
have this. Did you see this one, Claire?
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, I saw that this Scarborough is also has no
gag reflex like Kamla. So here here is Joe Scarborough
calling out the real reason that people don't like Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
He says, play clip five, But it's always like Kama,
what about Kamala? What about her? Well, there's sort of this.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Undercurrent like she's black and she's a woman, and that's
what people don't like her because she's a vice president
and what are we going to do?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
We need to change her?
Speaker 6 (26:39):
And I just go, where were you when dan quill
was vice president? And let me tell you she you
talked about David Nations. Obviously, David is not writing this
because she's a black woman. David David is hearing this
because everybody else is worried that she's a black woman
somehow and they're not. Then America is not going to
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vote for a black woman first.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Like it's amazing to see what is to me the
opposite of reality. Kamala Harris's greatest political assets are that
she is a woman and she is a minority.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
Those are the Joe Biden, when he was picking a
Supreme Court justice, declared he would only pick a black
female Supreme Court justice. Joe Biden, when he was picking
a vice president, effectively declared we all knew he's gonna
have a woman, and if you could a woman who's
a minority. So the notion that this is some tremendous obstacle,
(27:35):
now is this completely crazy to me.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I used to hear this play during the Obama years.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Two people would say, all the reagion Obama's poll numbers
are low is because of racism in this country. And
I said him, like, Obama won two terms. Obama absolutely
annihilated both Republicans that he ran against and actually had
a really weak economy, but still won in reelection, and
everybody was celebrating, particularly his first term, that he's the
first black prest as in of America. And we're told
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that the bad poll numbers at any time are because
of racism. Are we really going to play this game?
Joe Scarborough's playing this game with Kamala well.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
And again this is what I think will become a
major talking point in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
That's looking toward the future.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Which is why when I see now this opportunity to
run against an old white guy, the game theory of me,
probability analysis of me just says, now is the time
to go by the way too circling you start off
the segment, it is so weird that Gavin Newsom wants
to debate Ron DeSantis. Let's not underrate how crazy this is.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Why is it? I don't think it's weird at all.
Why do you think this is weird?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
In the middle on November thirtieth, six weeks before the
first votes are cast in in January, that he wants
to have a debate against a Republican primary contender.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
And he's just a random governor of California. He's not a.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Random governor's Eric is suavest, most handsome governor, six foot.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Four of people.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
What I'm saying is I love I love the Gavin
Newsome voiceover because I really do think I'm a miss
Keanu Reeves now. But it's like he's circling desperately trying
to get called up playing you know you ever watched
on the sideline?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah but Clay, Yeah, yeah, yes, I know what you
mean in the sideline.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
But because you're hoping the coach sees you.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Are such a few teams I played on, I was like,
maybe he'll put me in a little if I stand
closer to the coach on the sideline.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, does not work. Does not work?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yeah, unfortunately play These people are narcissists at a level
that is hard for normal people to comprehend. Gavin Newsome,
he's a very rich guy.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
You know. He's a powerful guy.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
State of California's fifth largest economy in the world.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
He runs it.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Gavin Newsom, the only thing that gets this guy excited
is power and attention.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Those are the only things that get this guy excited
that he, even not running, would be able to be
on this national stage and make the case he is
setting the stage to be the leader of the Democrat
Party going forward, more even than just being a candidate
in twenty twenty eight, he is setting the stage to
be the standard bearer. And so for him, I think,
(30:21):
I mean it makes Yeah, you're right, it's weird under
normal political circumstances, but no one cares about the primary
right now. On the Republican side, well, I think it's
going to be so fascinating to watch.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
You're right, But.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
If Biden is there's one hundred percent chance, in my opinion,
that Gavin Newsom secretly hopes Trump wins, because then that
kneecaps Kamala and twenty twenty eight is totally a free
reign right, you can look at because if Biden wins,
let's presume that Biden actually manages to finish his term,
which I question whether he'd be able to do purely
from a health perspective. I don't understand how any of
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these white guys are going to be able to get
past Kamala Harris based on the whole sexist and racist
aspects of identity politics which have taken over the Democrat Party.
That's what I that's what I can't like. I think
they're more blocked in twenty eight than they would be
in twenty four.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I also think that, well, the numbers for Kamala look
look pretty bad if she were to be in a
matchup against against Trumps.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
That brings us here.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
But you know, there there is a little bit of
a wild card situation where you mentioned third party candidate
that could change everything, and that's very easy, very possible
that could happen. And then beyond that, the four indictments
against Trump, you know, I don't, I don't. We don't
talking about that often. There's a real chance, a chance
that you may have Trump found guilty of a felony
(31:47):
next year, and what does that do? Well, they think
that that guarantees them the win. That's their that's their
trump card, and so in that case doesn't matter if
Kamala is the candidate in their minds, that's where that's
what we got to figure out. We'll take some of
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You don't know what. You don't know right, but you could.
On the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're going
to talk about some of the things that Senator Robert
Menindez said spoiler alert, he's refusing to step down despite
the fact that he and his wife have been arrested
on multiple felony charges related to bribery.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I spend a lot of time over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I wanted to read up on this, and so I've
got some interesting analysis and I just keep coming back
to how similar it all is to exactly what Hunter
Biden did.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
But we have a bunch of people who want to
weigh in.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
So far on the first part of the show, Let's
start in Cavalier, North Dakota, James, what you got for us?
Speaker 8 (33:51):
They Yeah, they've panted ourselves into a corner with Kamala.
She's a historic figure, she's a woman of color. And
if they throw her away and put somebody else in there,
I think they're gonna reach the will winds.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
I thank you for the call, Buck. This is what
we talked about.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
This is why I can't be It can't be Gavin Newsome.
You know, pair of drops in from on high and
take so it can't happen.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Well, this is why I would rather if I were
Pritzker or Gavin Newsom or any other white guy, I
would rather take on Joe Biden in twenty four. I
mean then I would Comela in twenty eight because there'd
be fewer people running. And Clayton, you eliminate the race
and sex angle from the perspective of that individual. That
might make you know.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I could see that, and I did say that they
are total egomaniacs, which yeah, I will recall that that
is true and that is real. But you know you'd
be seen as a spoiler. Yeah, imagine if you do that.
Imagine you're Pritzker, you run against Biden, you spend one
hundred two hundred million dollars of your own money running
a primary against Biden in a condensed period of time.
(34:58):
And then for some reason and Donald Trump ends up
beating Biden by just the small the smallest margin you
know there will be. And you got to remember, when
you're a billionaire democrat, you know what, you really care
about what people say about you.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
I just I get that. I don't.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
This is the thing that gets me so fired up.
Am I Buck just the weirdest person on the planet.
I don't care what people say about me?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Now he didn't let me answer.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
That was if I were a billionaire, the idea that
I would sit around worrying about what people said about me.
I just I don't get this this compulsion to really
be that concerned about it. Yeah, well, there are a
lot of people who are very wealthy and very concerned
with what other people think. That's that's a common a
common reality. Unfortunately, so and just I can't imagine being
(35:49):
so rich like that, like JB.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Pritzber.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I mean imagine you're Prinsker though Clay, and the narrative
turns into you cost Joe Biden the the you know,
the in directionist Donald Trump blah, blah blah is president
because of you. It ruins you for the next time.
It ruins your reputation. So it's not like it's cost free.
Look what they've done that they're interviewing random members of
RFK Junior's family. You're like, hey, you know, do you
(36:14):
hate your like second cousin. They're like, yes, we hate him.
Like it was horrible, but that is very funny.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
It is very funny to like go interview other members
of the Kennedy family to get him to take shots
at RFKS. You know, that makes me want to vote
for him more honestly. All right, we come back this
this ridiculousness surrounding Menendez, gold bars, Mercedes, four hundred thousand
dollars in envelopes, you know who. It reminds me of
(36:42):
Buck Hunter Biden. Let's talk about it.
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Happy Monday, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome to The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. And
there's a lot to discuss. As tends to be the
case on Mondays, we have some stunning polling about Donald
Trump Joe Biden. We're going to dive into that momentarily.
Are they hitting the panic button over at the DNC
(00:30):
about Biden's future? Here? Is they have they actually said
it is time for the break the glass plan? You know?
Are they getting down to funny? People will say, are
they at deaf Con five? That would be like no
big deal? Deaf Con one would be nuclear war the
really big deal. But are they at like two or
three right now? In terms of the politics here? Are
(00:52):
they a little concerned about Joe Biden? We shall get
into that. You also have Gavin new some veto to
Bill on Friday that would take affirmation of child's gender
identity into consideration when making custody and visitation decisions, which
I think is an interesting story we'll get you later.
(01:13):
He vetered it because he believes it's already taken into account,
just to be clear.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So that's why this is on the radar.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Really interesting study out of or poll out of Rasmus,
and more than two thirds of American voters are worried
that their country is turning into a police state. And
I have a particular view on this, and I think
that in the era of the four simultaneous Trump felony indictments,
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we have to look at this and take this all
very seriously. But also as individuals and as Americans, this
is increasingly a reality of day to day life here.
Crimes that are just crimes because the government says so,
or because you've upset the politics of the Democrats. That'll
get you in a whole lot of trouble, you know,
parading inside the Capitol without a license. But the stuff
(02:04):
that makes everyone's lives difficult and cost lives day to day,
the crime in cities and towns across America, and the
criminals who are conducting or committing those acts. Democrats take
a very different, very different approach to that, at least
in terms of their philosophy. So we'll get into all that,
but Clay, we've got to start here with these these
(02:24):
these numbers.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
You know, it's it's getting down to the wire. I'll say,
this is getting.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Down to the wire about how long we can continue
to have this discussion. Will there be some other plan
to Joe Biden. I'm still at this point. I can't
you know, I can't change my bed, right, So.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
It would be it would be totally unacceptable for you
to just suddenly, after six or eight months or whatever
it is, just to suddenly bail.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
That said, there are a lot of people in Democrats
circles to award. Let's look at these numbers. Clay Washington
Post ABC poll shows Biden trailing Trump nationally by ten points.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Now this is an outlier.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
There are other national polls that show them effectively tied. Yeah,
and if you you know, told me, you gotta tell me,
you know, if I have no choice but to tell
you what the most likely situations right now, I think
it's closer to tide than it is ten points.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
But the fact that there is a serious poll out.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
There that could show at this phase a substantial lead
for Donald Trump, I mean, Clay, are really to two
or three points at this point would should scare Democrats, right,
because what do you think they're making of this? And
and also the fact that Biden is at a all
time low approval rating thirty seven percent fifty six percent disapproving.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, so again, I would just say when I saw
this come out, I think it came out late Sunday,
Saturday night, like post midnight. I was watching you USC
and Arizona State football late night, like a deviate crazy
college football fan that I am, and I'm scrolling through
my Twitter feed and boom, this Washington Post pole.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Pops up and I immediately read it.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And what I would say is significant about this buck
is it feels to me like much of official Washington
is starting to hit the panic button on Joe Biden.
Because we've said this before on the show, but I
do think it's important to think about the only rationale
for Joe Biden to run in twenty twenty four is
(04:36):
that he beat Trump in twenty twenty and they think
he'll win a rematch. If you told me, and I
understand the Trump people out there who are diehards, if
you told me that it was going to be Nicky
Haley or Vivey Gramaswami or Ron DeSantis that were going
to be the nominees, I think Democrats would bail on
(04:58):
Joe Biden in a hurr, because I think the age
difference would be so compelling and so overwhelming. Here is
to me when I look at these numbers, I do
think that there probably is. Look, if Trump's gonna win
by ten points, then then look, I would love for
that to happen.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I think there's a zero percent chance by the time
we got to an election that Trump could be Biden
by ten points. I do think what's happening Buck is
right now everything is a referendum on Biden, and the
goal of the Biden administration and the entire twenty twenty
four campaign is going to be to try to make
twenty twenty four a referendum on Trump. And usually what
(05:42):
are elections with incumbents about, Buck the incumbent, right, Usually
it is, hey, has this guy done a good enough
job to continue to be the representative, to continue to
be the President of the United States, senator, governor whatever
it is?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
And right now the answer is Biden hasn't done a
good enough job.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
The only they win is if they can make it
a referendum on Trump, because I do believe that they
are confident that they can get a lot of people
to show up and vote against Trump, not for Biden
against Trump. And I think this is one of those
things where you have to go back in and say,
just have you ever seen And I like to ask
(06:20):
this question because I think it's clarifying him anyways, Buck,
you ever see anybody in a Biden hat? You ever
seen anybody walk around in a Biden T shirt? You
ever see anybody who is like a diehard Biden guy
or girl anywhere in the country, because I have it anywhere.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
There's a I don't remember his name. There's a comedian
who has a bit where he says there's no Biden merch,
which is true. Yeah, no one, No one rocks a
Biden T shirt. Correct, There is no Biden. It's one
hundred percent correct. And so it's not a Biden vote,
it's an anti Trump vote. And so what I wonder,
(06:55):
and this is the thing I've been talking about for
a few months now, is.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
At what point point do the Democrat powerbrokers as they
are Again, the Washington Post had a top columni say
Biden should run. Now they're bringing out a column that
says Biden is a ten point underdog and a head
to head against Trump. It comes out simultaneously with this,
with this poll from NBC News which shows Biden hitting
(07:20):
an all time low buck.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I grabbed some of the data. Listen to some of this.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Off of the Washington Post poll because I read it
and I was like, I can't even believe some of
these numbers. Would you describe what your view is as excellent, good,
not so good, or poor? Food prices eight percent said
excellent or good? Gas are energy prices? Twelve percent said
(07:47):
excellent or good.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Incomes of average Americans twenty one percent said excellent or good.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
And for Joe Biden, the situation at the border bock
twenty three percent approval twenty three percent.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
That is unbelievable to be that bad. Thirty percent on
the economy when you look at the numbers that are
really upsetting people here in terms of the economy, I
saw something today that said it was a stat that
said that even for people who are making one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars a year in this country, I
saw that a third of them are living paycheck to paycheck. Yes,
(08:24):
a third of people making one hundred and fifty grand
are living paycheck to paycheck. I mean I live paycheck
to paycheck. When I was making forty grand a year.
I remember what that was like to be living paycheck
to paycheck at one fifty. Yeah, means that people are
really feeling the pinch because that's that's energy prices, that's rent,
that's housing, that's you know, they're they're they're not you know,
(08:47):
making the con they're not making reckless decisions. I think
all of a sudden, it's just that people are having
to pay more for the things that they really need.
Credit Card debt also going up very rapidly right now.
And as a country. I mean someone that I know
was a Wall Street guy whence told me said, you
have to remember America is the greatest wealth generation machine
in the history of the planet. Which is which is true.
(09:09):
And it's interesting, right, there's we our economy and the
productivity of America in general is such that we should
be getting it should be the TV effect, Right, We've
all seen.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
You look at a TV. You remember your TV when
you were in college.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I mean it was like, yeah, weighed like two hundred pounds,
was like three feet deep.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
You have to kick it if it went.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Now you got to get twenty seven inch TV buck
and we were like, this is livid, large and our
dorm room likes kicking back like this is on how
big the screen is, you know, like at the four
of us to.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Carry it right?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
You know, now you have seventy inch flat flush against
the wall TVs everywhere, and you know they cost like
you can get them for like four or five hundred
bucks now, I mean they cost very little. And that's
just because things have gotten more efficient, you know, and
less expensive and better. The problem is that some of
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these commodities food, energy, there are policy decisions, most notably
the massive government expenditures and the inflation that it created
that has resulted in this economic pain and there hasn't
been any accountability for it politically. And the Biden administrations,
you know, they just they just declared a whole bunch
(10:25):
of land, you know, off limits to drilling. They're doing
all the wrong things in this environment, Clay. When people
are having a hard time affording groceries and gas, I
want to say a hard time. Okay, maybe they can
afford it, but they're running up that credit card a
little more every month, a little more every month. And
for John Kerry to be traveling the world like some
kind of maniac talking about how humanity is going to
(10:46):
cause humanity's extinction because of CO two while he's flying
everywhere on private jets. There is a massive disconnect here
and Republicans need to speak to it.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, and that's why I looked at the nine percent approval.
When it comes to food prices, people understand that. That's
why I keep saying, go through the drive through of
a fast food restaurant and look at what it costs you. Now,
so when the Biden people are trying to sell well,
inflation is back down to three point seven percent or
(11:15):
whatever the heck it is, and they're trying to say
it's not so bad, the baked in cost is huge.
What you are paying for your groceries, what you are
paying for your fast food meals from one year to
the next to take care of your family. That money
never comes back. And so that is where I think
there's a great deal of anger. Now here's the question,
(11:36):
and this is the one that I keep hammering buck
because I do think it's so interesting of a question.
If sixty some odd percent of Democrat voters are saying
they don't want to vote for Joe Biden, will anyone
we talked about this last week, will any Democrat that
has an existing office, right, somebody who has a platform,
somebody that has an actual audience.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Will any of them announce they're running?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Because if one person did it, Buck, I think a
bunch more would jump in. And I think Biden would
announce that he's not going to run for reelection in
twenty twenty four. I think all it would take is
one person, and I don't know who that person is,
but I think as soon as Biden got challenged by
one guy or girl out there of a substantial nature,
then I think there would be a bunch of people running.
(12:22):
Nobody wants to be the first, but I think there
are a lot of people inching more and more towards
that line. And I think Biden would would announce that
he's not running because I don't think he could win
a contested primary. I really don't.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I just the timeline here becomes so it's tight now,
no doubt. And I think also you have to look
at this as there's all this messaging that has existed
up to this point. I mean, good old Joe Scarboro
or over at MSNBC. I mean, there's a lot of
people who are saying Biden's fit as a fiddle even
(12:58):
just great, he's fantastic. The hard left turn that you
would have to see here from the entire Democrat media
apparatus suddenly say.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
You know what, a primary is a great idea.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Oh no, what they would say, Buck is you know
what Joe Biden, he did everything that I mean, they
would take the tack of they would immediately pivot.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I'm not saying they can't pivot. I'm just saying it
would require a lot of them who have been saying
Biden's great, he's fantastic to say Biden cares more about
the country than.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
His own you know future?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, I don't. I just I don't see it. But
what do you think, folks, anyone out there got a theory?
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Truth after truth, you can handle the truth. Clay Travis
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Speaker 2 (14:44):
Welcome back to Get Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. If
you wonder what it's like to have no gaggeryflex, this
is what it sounds like sometimes when you go on
MSNBC and you decide that you have to praise Joe
Biden to the ends of the earth. This is what
Democrat strategist Cornell Belcher had to say about Joe Biden
(15:06):
being way better positioned than Obama.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
And he has a great story to tell about his
old age. Listen If you look at.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Where Biden is right now, he's not that dramatically different
from where the you know the President campaign.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Who I worked on was at this time going in.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Twenty eleven, right Obama was running behind Mitt Romney. In
a lot of ways, Biden is even better positioned than
Obama was in a story that he has to tell
because he does have a story to tell about regardless
about his old age. You know, you know what his
aige and wisdom has been able to do. It's been
able to move transformative pieces of legislation that no president
(15:40):
has ever been able to do before.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Okay, Buck, you said, will the chattering class you know
have to chip? They'll just they have no shame. I mean,
to go on and argue that Joe Biden is better
positioned and has a better story and his age is
not a factor than Obama would be is pretty crazy.
(16:03):
I mean, you can dislike Obama. He was a really
talented politician and also he wasn't eighty.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I just I really feel like we are moving rapidly
towards a oh crap moment for Biden, and it may
be something that he does publicly that finally brings it
into full full discussion. It just feels like deja vu
to me, though, because I was among those who in
twenty twenty during the primary for Democrats was saying, I mean,
(16:34):
there's no way it could be Biden, like that guy's
a joke, and here we are so and people said, oh,
he's gonna have a malfunction on stage and everyone's gonna
see it, and he didn't, and here we are. So.
I don't want to run the same run the same
playbook here and think that the result necessarily is going
to be different, or use the same analytic framework that
(16:57):
all said, Look, it's it's pretty much ready to go.
If Joe Biden decides to step down for any kind
of a health reason, it would have to be I
think the question just becomes to they think that they
could make Kamala Harris, you know, could she win if
she were president? She stepped into the role. That's where
all the anxiety comes from. This wouldn't even be a
discussion otherwise.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
But don't you think he's objectively worse than he was
in twenty twenty?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Though?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
When you hear him talk, of course, I mean way worse, right,
I think he's objectively worse.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I also think that the Democrats are all of their
hopes are pinned onto this. He's running against Donald Trump,
who is the most polarizing in their minds, politician of
our lifetime, who is facing four criminal indictments. Yeah, that's
the that's their whole economy, healthcare border. I think they
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Today.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Looks like it's gonna happen, the debate between Governor Ron
DeSantis and Governor Gavin Newsom. It will be on Fox
News on November thirtieth, so something to look forward to
there on the calendar a ways out. I actually think
it'll get good ratings for a number of reasons. One
(19:07):
of them is primary hasn't really been a whole lot
of anything these days on the Republican side. We're not
hearing much about RFK Junior either. On the Democrat side,
he had a moment, for sure, but the numbers aren't
really budging. On the Republican side, you can say Trump
is up roughly fifty points.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I mean, that's effectively.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
That's kind of the back of the Napkin math average
that I would give it, and that doesn't look like
it's something that's likely to I think it's highly unlikely
that that would change anytime soon. So that allows us
to focus kind of earlier than we had anticipated. It's
almost like, you know, if You're going into a tennis
major and you think you're going to have a couple
(19:50):
of really tough matches to watch in the semis and
the you know, the quarters in the semis, and you
have like two players pull out for injuries. And now
we've been sitting around like, yeah, that the final is
going to be amazing because there's really not a whole
lot to get into in the primary at this stage.
That may change. There is a Fox Business Fox Business
Channel debate on Wednesday, which we'll be talking to you
(20:12):
a lot about this week. Look, it's interesting to have
these discussions about what's happening policy wise. We're getting to
know some of the future I think of the Republican
Party politically, regardless of the outcome of twenty twenty four.
But back to Biden's stuff for a second year, Clay,
we didn't play this right about the sixty percent of
Democrat primary voters. Now sometimes forget this, Yeah, sixty percent
(20:36):
of Democrat primary voters this cut three say well, I'll
let you hear what they say.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Play it.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
We asked primary voters on the Democratic side, do you
want options next year besides Biden? Fifty nine percent said yes,
they do This is not a normal number for an incumbent.
We asked the same question a year before Donald Trump
sought reelection of Republics only thirty seven percent on in
more choices then as a very high number. It raises
(21:05):
the question to what else concerns Democrats? And I think
this gets to sort of the elephant in the room here,
Biden's age and fitness. Almost three out of four in
our poll. This is Democrats, Republicans, independents say it's a
major or moderate concern for them.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, well, this is why, Buck.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Let's pretend we're evil geniuses, all right, We're evil Democrat geniuses,
and all we want is for.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Our guy or our girl to.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
End up president of the United States. This is the argument,
like I just keep coming back to in my head, Buck,
if you, let's say you are Let's use Pritzker, this
billionaire governor of Illinois. Right, he has all the money
he could possibly need. He's already been elected twice now,
so he's, you know, serving out his final term. If
he wants to be president of the United States, then
(21:58):
his platform is Okay, you wait and you.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Run in twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
But if you wait and run in twenty eight then
you have to somehow get over and past Kamala Harris
in the identity politics Leyden Democrat primary, and she's a
black woman and you're a white guy. It's actually easier
to run against the old white guy and win the
nomination when there's only a couple of people potentially running
(22:24):
to me in twenty four than it would be to
win as a white guy running against a black woman
as the favorite when there might be twenty Democrats that
are running in twenty eight. I look at everything from
a game theory and probability perspective. If your goal is
to be president of the United States, there's actually a
huge advantage for Democrats to move. And you can point
(22:47):
two polls like these which say, hey, sixty percent of
Democrats want somebody else. Now, maybe you lose, And then
your concern is, oh, you've upset people in the DNC
everything else. And I get that if you're not independently wealthy.
But if you're a billionaire like Pritzker, why do you care, Like,
if you want to be president of the United States,
go for it.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Well, I think that he will run in the next cycle,
and why not run at this phase because he won't
even with a billion Look, Mike Bloomberg was a billionaire
and he tried as a Republican and he got nowhere. Okay,
so just having the money to run and spend doesn't
mean a darn thing. Jeb exclamation point, spend one hundred
(23:30):
million dollars and got a delegate.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
If we all recall what.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Happened back in twenty sixteen, it was a very expensive
exclamation point. So what you see here, I think is
Democrats are circling in case that you know, the party machinery.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Would have to make this decision.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
You know, the Obama advisors we've talked about, the people
in the White House were running the day to day,
they would have to make this decision.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
And I've seen that even Democrats admitting that they don't
think that Joe Biden will step down under any circumstances whatsoever. Yeah,
this is who Joe Biden is. Look at we talk
about the fetterman effective fair amount, right, which I think
was something we've coined here on the show, which is
people will vote for somebody no matter how incompetent or
how incapable of doing the job they are, if they're
the right party. Look at Feinstein, though Feinstein held on
(24:22):
to that job Clay to the point where you know,
it's just, yeah, she's now gone. I mean you know
she's mentally gone. Effectively, she cannot function and needs round
the clock care. She never resigned, She never said I've
had too much. So I don't think Joe Biden, while
he's a president, while he's in the Oval office, is
(24:42):
going to decide on his own so what half to
the machinery around him. The reason I think that Pritzker
and others don't necessarily get into it is they know
there's a lot that goes into running that if all
this stuff is against you, you're not going to be
able to make a dent. You know, if the Democrat
machinery at the DNC, if all the networks, if all
the newspapers think that. You look what they've done to
RFK Junior. Yeah, they've treated him like an evil Republican,
(25:05):
which is funny because he actually is a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
If you listen to him, he's just really good on.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
COVID and now he's talking about running as and also
the border. He came out and said we have to
solve everything going on the border. Now RFK Junior is
talking about running as a libertarian, which would actually be
I think harmful to Trump more so than it would
be harmful too.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
And the other part of it too. Yeah, you know,
we're making this assumption. We're so early on in this process.
And like I said, if you had told us a
year ago, Hey, Buck Clay, what do you guys get
to be talking about September of twenty twenty three, be like, oh, man,
you know who's getting ahead in this state or that
state in the Republican primary. We didn't think it would
just be like Trump is lapping the competition. You know,
(25:45):
if you watch Formula one. I mean they have to
get out of the way because he's just going faster
and faster all the time. So that means that there
is a little bit more of a focus on the
future of things. I did think this was kind of
this was kind of a moment. Do we have Scarborough
talking about why there's anti Kamala Harris chatter?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Right now? You see, Oh we do it, We do
have this. Did you see this one, Claire?
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, I saw that this Scarborough is also has no
gag reflex like Kamla. So here here is Joe Scarborough
calling out the real reason that people don't like Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
He says, play clip five, But it's always like Kama,
what about Kamala? What about her? Well, there's sort of this.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Undercurrent like she's black and she's a woman, and that's
what people don't like her because she's a vice president
and what are we going to do?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
We need to change her?
Speaker 6 (26:39):
And I just go, where were you when dan quill
was vice president? And let me tell you she you
talked about David Nations. Obviously, David is not writing this
because she's a black woman. David David is hearing this
because everybody else is worried that she's a black woman
somehow and they're not. Then America is not going to
(26:59):
vote for a black woman first.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Like it's amazing to see what is to me the
opposite of reality. Kamala Harris's greatest political assets are that
she is a woman and she is a minority.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
Those are the Joe Biden, when he was picking a
Supreme Court justice, declared he would only pick a black
female Supreme Court justice. Joe Biden, when he was picking
a vice president, effectively declared we all knew he's gonna
have a woman, and if you could a woman who's
a minority. So the notion that this is some tremendous obstacle,
(27:35):
now is this completely crazy to me.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I used to hear this play during the Obama years.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Two people would say, all the reagion Obama's poll numbers
are low is because of racism in this country. And
I said him, like, Obama won two terms. Obama absolutely
annihilated both Republicans that he ran against and actually had
a really weak economy, but still won in reelection, and
everybody was celebrating, particularly his first term, that he's the
first black prest as in of America. And we're told
(28:02):
that the bad poll numbers at any time are because
of racism. Are we really going to play this game?
Joe Scarborough's playing this game with Kamala well.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
And again this is what I think will become a
major talking point in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
That's looking toward the future.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Which is why when I see now this opportunity to
run against an old white guy, the game theory of me,
probability analysis of me just says, now is the time
to go by the way too circling you start off
the segment, it is so weird that Gavin Newsom wants
to debate Ron DeSantis. Let's not underrate how crazy this is.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Why is it? I don't think it's weird at all.
Why do you think this is weird?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
In the middle on November thirtieth, six weeks before the
first votes are cast in in January, that he wants
to have a debate against a Republican primary contender.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
And he's just a random governor of California. He's not a.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Random governor's Eric is suavest, most handsome governor, six foot.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Four of people.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
What I'm saying is I love I love the Gavin
Newsome voiceover because I really do think I'm a miss
Keanu Reeves now. But it's like he's circling desperately trying
to get called up playing you know you ever watched
on the sideline?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah but Clay, Yeah, yeah, yes, I know what you
mean in the sideline.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
But because you're hoping the coach sees you.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Are such a few teams I played on, I was like,
maybe he'll put me in a little if I stand
closer to the coach on the sideline.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, does not work. Does not work?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yeah, unfortunately play These people are narcissists at a level
that is hard for normal people to comprehend. Gavin Newsome,
he's a very rich guy.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
You know. He's a powerful guy.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
State of California's fifth largest economy in the world.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
He runs it.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Gavin Newsom, the only thing that gets this guy excited
is power and attention.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Those are the only things that get this guy excited
that he, even not running, would be able to be
on this national stage and make the case he is
setting the stage to be the leader of the Democrat
Party going forward, more even than just being a candidate
in twenty twenty eight, he is setting the stage to
be the standard bearer. And so for him, I think,
(30:21):
I mean it makes Yeah, you're right, it's weird under
normal political circumstances, but no one cares about the primary
right now. On the Republican side, well, I think it's
going to be so fascinating to watch.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
You're right, But.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
If Biden is there's one hundred percent chance, in my opinion,
that Gavin Newsom secretly hopes Trump wins, because then that
kneecaps Kamala and twenty twenty eight is totally a free
reign right, you can look at because if Biden wins,
let's presume that Biden actually manages to finish his term,
which I question whether he'd be able to do purely
from a health perspective. I don't understand how any of
(30:59):
these white guys are going to be able to get
past Kamala Harris based on the whole sexist and racist
aspects of identity politics which have taken over the Democrat Party.
That's what I that's what I can't like. I think
they're more blocked in twenty eight than they would be
in twenty four.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I also think that, well, the numbers for Kamala look
look pretty bad if she were to be in a
matchup against against Trumps.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
That brings us here.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
But you know, there there is a little bit of
a wild card situation where you mentioned third party candidate
that could change everything, and that's very easy, very possible
that could happen. And then beyond that, the four indictments
against Trump, you know, I don't, I don't. We don't
talking about that often. There's a real chance, a chance
that you may have Trump found guilty of a felony
(31:47):
next year, and what does that do? Well, they think
that that guarantees them the win. That's their that's their
trump card, and so in that case doesn't matter if
Kamala is the candidate in their minds, that's where that's
what we got to figure out. We'll take some of
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Speaker 3 (33:12):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're going
to talk about some of the things that Senator Robert
Menindez said spoiler alert, he's refusing to step down despite
the fact that he and his wife have been arrested
on multiple felony charges related to bribery.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I spend a lot of time over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I wanted to read up on this, and so I've
got some interesting analysis and I just keep coming back
to how similar it all is to exactly what Hunter
Biden did.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
But we have a bunch of people who want to
weigh in.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
So far on the first part of the show, Let's
start in Cavalier, North Dakota, James, what you got for us?
Speaker 8 (33:51):
They Yeah, they've panted ourselves into a corner with Kamala.
She's a historic figure, she's a woman of color. And
if they throw her away and put somebody else in there,
I think they're gonna reach the will winds.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
I thank you for the call, Buck. This is what
we talked about.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
This is why I can't be It can't be Gavin Newsome.
You know, pair of drops in from on high and
take so it can't happen.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Well, this is why I would rather if I were
Pritzker or Gavin Newsom or any other white guy, I
would rather take on Joe Biden in twenty four. I
mean then I would Comela in twenty eight because there'd
be fewer people running. And Clayton, you eliminate the race
and sex angle from the perspective of that individual. That
might make you know.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I could see that, and I did say that they
are total egomaniacs, which yeah, I will recall that that
is true and that is real. But you know you'd
be seen as a spoiler. Yeah, imagine if you do that.
Imagine you're Pritzker, you run against Biden, you spend one
hundred two hundred million dollars of your own money running
a primary against Biden in a condensed period of time.
(34:58):
And then for some reason and Donald Trump ends up
beating Biden by just the small the smallest margin you
know there will be. And you got to remember, when
you're a billionaire democrat, you know what, you really care
about what people say about you.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
I just I get that. I don't.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
This is the thing that gets me so fired up.
Am I Buck just the weirdest person on the planet.
I don't care what people say about me?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Now he didn't let me answer.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
That was if I were a billionaire, the idea that
I would sit around worrying about what people said about me.
I just I don't get this this compulsion to really
be that concerned about it. Yeah, well, there are a
lot of people who are very wealthy and very concerned
with what other people think. That's that's a common a
common reality. Unfortunately, so and just I can't imagine being
(35:49):
so rich like that, like JB.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Pritzber.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I mean imagine you're Prinsker though Clay, and the narrative
turns into you cost Joe Biden the the you know,
the in directionist Donald Trump blah, blah blah is president
because of you. It ruins you for the next time.
It ruins your reputation. So it's not like it's cost free.
Look what they've done that they're interviewing random members of
RFK Junior's family. You're like, hey, you know, do you
(36:14):
hate your like second cousin. They're like, yes, we hate him.
Like it was horrible, but that is very funny.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
It is very funny to like go interview other members
of the Kennedy family to get him to take shots
at RFKS. You know, that makes me want to vote
for him more honestly. All right, we come back this
this ridiculousness surrounding Menendez, gold bars, Mercedes, four hundred thousand
dollars in envelopes, you know who. It reminds me of
(36:42):
Buck Hunter Biden. Let's talk about it.
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