March 1, 2025 • 36 mins
FL Congressman Byron Donalds on his gubernatorial run, DOGE, property taxes, and his beloved Seminoles. Border Czar (aka badass) Tom Homan on Trump's immigration plan, the problem with sanctuary cities, NYC Mayor Adams, and getting Clay and Buck down to the border. The truth about the drug cartels.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, our two Clay and Buck kicks off now
all across the nation.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Thanks for being with us, everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
We are joined by Congressman Byron Donald's now from the
fantastic state of Florida, which Congressman, appreciate you being with us.
My understanding, our understanding everybody's is that you have your
eye on the governor's position going forward. And I just
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want to know what brought you to this and what
would you do because I love this Florida. Tell me
the amazing things you plan to do as governor for
this great state of Florida.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Well, first of all, it's great to be with you guys. Yep.
I'm running for governor of Florida. I announced last night,
and you know, look for me. I came to the
state at seventeen. I got it, you know. I got
off a greyhound bus in Tallahassee, Florida to go to
college at a trunk full of clothes and that was
about it. And I was able to build a family,
a career in finance, no I mean, not even dealing
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with politics. It was before politics, and build a career
in this state and it's been wonderful to me. And
I want to make sure that it continues to be
the best state in the country far and none. You know,
we've had great leadership by Ron De Santis, and there's
been so much work that's been done to move Florida
from a purple from a blue state to a purple state,
to know a red state. And my mission is just
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to keep it going and make it better than it's
ever been.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Byron, we're going to get into the governor race and
all those things. But I said in the first hour
that I had to ask you the most important question
in the mind of many people in Florida. What in
the world happened to your Florida State seminoles. One of
the last times you were on with us, you were
arguing that you should have been in the playoffs. Now,
I mean, are you guys even going to be able
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to beat anybody in the acc this coming year?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You know what, that's a low blow. You weren't even
supposed to do that. But that's all right. Listen, Florida State.
It was a tough year last year. Well we'll be back.
But I still stand by what I said the year before.
We should have been in the play playoffs because we
had a fantastic season, but last year just things didn't
work out. So you know, we're gonna retool and we're
gonna rebuild and we'll be back. Don't even worry about it.
One thing you got to know about the Florida State Seminoles.
(02:11):
We're unconquered. We're gonna make sure we returned. We're gonna
be back better.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
I don't know if you know this, Byron, but Buck's
wife is a Florida Gator grad. What should Buck has
never been to an FSU UF game? And it's one
of the great rivalries in all of college football? What
should he know about that in State Florida rivalry and
how bitter and frankly fantastic it has been for football
fans over the years.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Listen, it's one of the best rivalries in football. It's intense.
Make sure you go, and then when you go, and
make sure you go. It doesn't even matter if you're
in Dolt Campbell or you're in Ben Hill Griffin Stadium.
It's always a great time. The teams come out and
play hard. The records don't even matter in these games.
It's smash mouth football. It is a great time and
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it's the same type of rivalry like Michigan, Ohio State,
like Alabama and Auburn. It's just a great time, great feeling,
great event. You know, somebody win, somebody loses. You know,
Florida State's won a lot of them, but so as
the University of Florida. But look, make sure you get
out there and watch that game. It's phenomenal. I try
not to miss it.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Speaking of Congressan Byern Donalds, he is running for the
next opening in the governor's mansion here in Florida, the Congress.
I want to brought it in an out nationally here
for a second, if I could. You and President Trump
have a great relationship, and obviously he has already come
forward with a full throated endorsement of you for governor
of Florida. What are you thinking right now about how
(03:41):
it's all going? I mean, as you're seeing Trump and
and Doge with with Elon acting on behalf of the president,
shaking up the system, the media in retreat. Just I
wanted to get your take on is this all moving
even faster than you anticipated? And how do you want
to get in on the action and help.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
It's actually moving faster than even I thought but I
will tell you that the team has been committed to
having this be done, and it's different. It's one thing
when you just have a chief executive who's mission minded,
but when you have a team around him that's also
about the same mission this. These are the results that
you get. They've been moving at warp speed and it's
a great thing to see. And I think in terms
(04:24):
of getting in on the action, that's just Congress doing
its job. Last night we were able to pass through
a budget resolution to start moving the president's agenda through Congress.
We've passed one, the bigger one, the Senate passed the
smaller one. But we're gonna start rocking and rolling in
Congress to meet the moment and meet the urgency that
the Trump administration has come back to Washington with it.
(04:46):
It's been a great thing. Listen. I was listening to
the Breakfast Club. There's a clip of the Breakfast Club
the other day from somebody who's a federal employee, and
she was saying, like she doesn't even understand why people
are complaining about how you have to like send out
an email talking about what you did and if you can,
if you could have put that email out then you know,
what are you doing? You might need to go find
another job, and that's on the breakfast club. I mean,
(05:07):
they're not known to be a bastion of conservatism in
America first policy, but that's what the American people are
looking for. It's time to be efficient, it's time to
just get the job done. And if you're just going
to be an impediment to that, you got to get
out the way. It's about the American people first, second,
and third, it's not about special interests. It's not about
a loaded federal bureaucracy that just gets to continue operating
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regardless of elections, regardless of what are the needs of
the American people.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I know, Byron, you have a huge amount of support
already in Florida, and as you mentioned, Florida's a red state.
Now the Republican nominee is going to be the governor.
I think that's going to be you. Do you expect
very many other people to get in the race. What
do you think this Republican primary is going to look
like going forward?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Honestly, I really don't know. I will see. I mean, look,
my focus is just run the best race. I can
work hard, get to every part of our state, talk
to the people and earn their support. And you know,
whether it's two people, three people, ten people, I think
will be successful. Really I'm I'm honored to have the
president support. We're building support all over the state from
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people that I served with with my time in Tallahassee,
people that I've worked with in my time in Congress.
And it is really a humbling feeling to know that
so many people support you and have your back. But
we're just going to take this campaign to the people.
It's about seeing people in their communities, addressing their concerns
and earning their support. And look, I have the you know,
I have the biggest endorsement in politics with President Trump,
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but I want to go earn the endorsement from every
Floridian because, you know, for our states to continue on
the trajectory we're going, everybody's got to be a part
of it. It's going to be a total team effort.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
You got the endorsement of Trump. Again, in my opinion,
you're going to be the nominee, and I don't want to,
you know, spike the football before we get to early,
but appreciate you announcing. Do you think that Governor Ron
DeSantis will endorse How do you think that he will
play it out? He's term limited out for people out
there who may not know, so he cannot run again.
(07:11):
Twenty twenty six, there's going to be a new governor regardless.
Are you going to ask for seek his endorsement? What
do you think he'll do with the race?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I mean, I would love to earn it, and I
think the reason and I think honestly, you know, back
in twenty eighteen, you know, when Governor DeSantis, then candidate DeSantis,
had won the primary and the radical left try to
go at him because you know of a phrase he
used about referring to his opponent. You know, I went
and did media instead in the gap for him because
I believed he was going to be a great governor.
(07:42):
And I was proven right. He has been a great governor.
You know. I was there to help him win in
twenty eighteen campaign for him, have always supported him, and
I think at the end of the day, I just
want to be able to pick his brain, you know,
learn from him. You know that being the chief executive
is not easy and so there's a lot of I know,
there's a lot of advice he has. I want to
be able to lean on that, and so I would
love to be able to earn his support, and I
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think there will be a time for that. We'll see
how that goes, you know, But in terms of how
the rest of the rest of the race unfolds, too
soon to tell. I'm just going to focus on my
business and really go see the people of Florida and
earn their support.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
What do you think about the recent move from the
governor's office Congressman Donald's to get rid of property taxes
here in the state of Florida. I mean, that's something
that it sounds it sounds too good to be true,
but he seems serious about it. If he's not able
to get that done before the end of his term,
is that something you would look at. We already think
of Florida as a low tax state, but which is great.
(08:40):
But I think other states also look at this and say, well,
hold on a second, are there other efficiencies, other things
that we can do to make this an even more
not just attractive climate for businesses, but for individuals who
don't want to feel like they have to rent their
house from the state every year, which is really what
property taxes end up being.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
No that's one hundred percent correct. I think, you know,
even when Governor DeSantis was in Congress, this is something
I believe he was advocated for, and so I think
he's serious about it. If they're successful in Tallahassee, I
would love for them to be able to do that,
and it's something I definitely want to look at. I
think it's important for people to understand there are a
lot of nuances when you get rid of property taxes.
(09:19):
So I'm not trying to hedge. I'm trying to make
sure people understand all the ramifications associated with it. But
I would be in support of getting rid of property
taxes in our state. There are other ways to raise
revenue for local government, so they can provide for police,
for fire, for roadways, and for capital improvements in building schools.
There's ways to do that. I think this is a
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golden opportunity, not just in Florida's history, but in the
country's history to really examine new ways of doing business
that are far more efficient, far more responsive to the
needs and to the will of the people. And just
as a quick pushback for people who would say, oh, well,
getting rid of property taxes only favors people, well, who
have means or who are wealthy. Let's be perfectly honest.
(10:05):
Let's be intellectually honest. If you rent property in Florida,
you are paying property taxes because if you're a property
from somebody else, you're paying in part the property taxes
through your rent. So it affects everybody, whether you're a renter,
whether you're an owner, rich or poor, everybody's affected. So
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if we're going to do this, let's look at it
intellectually honestly, and let's make sure we're doing the best
thing for everybody in our state, So especially people who
are or they have more access to be able to
own a home or buy a home, or whatever the
case might be. But then from a government perspective, we
are efficient in how we are levying taxes on our citizens,
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and that we have to be responsive with the dollars
that we're taking from citizens to run government.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Byron Donalds.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
He's announced Congressman from South Florida that he is going
to be running for governor of the state of Florida.
Last question for you here, I own property in Florida.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I love it. Thirty A beautiful place, bucket, the.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Gulf of America. In fact, on the Gulf of America.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
I do I own property on the Gulf of America.
Buck is going to be voting in your race. He
is a citizen of the state of Florida.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
What does it say.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I want to go back to how you started it off,
because I think it's super compelling. You came to Florida
with nothing at seventeen years old.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Now you are.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
It's a great American success story running to be the
governor of the state of Florida. What does it say
about the opportunity that the Sunshine State offers your career
path and the life trajectory that you have had.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
We're a meritocracy, That's what Florida is. Florida's a meritocracy.
If you work hard enough, if you grind and look,
nothing's perfect, this pitfalls everywhere, that's just life. But if
you work hard and you grind, and you constantly are
looking forward to the next successes, things to really happen
for you in our state, you know, and I look
at look our current governor. He grew up poor. I
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think it was Dunedin is where he grew up. He
grew up poor, and look what he's done for himself
in his life. It has been a phenomenal life for him,
Governor Scott. Governor Scott, this single parent household, like me,
grew up poor and look at what he's been able
to do in his life. And so I think that
when you take that, when you peel back the layers
of the you know, the last two men, the current
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men to lead our state, Governor Scott before him, potentially me,
I think what it demonstrates is in our state, anything
and everything is possible. It's hard work, it's determination, it's
having your family and people good people around you, and
as long as you can try to put those things
together and just walk through the pitfalls that come in
everybody's life, success is really around the corner. So you know,
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if that's what it means, is being the state's next governor,
that that's really a symbol of what's possible, so be it.
But it's really about everybody in our state just chasing
that dream in Florida being the land of freedom and
opportunity for everybody in the Sunrise.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Congressman Byron Donald's and hopefully the next governor of my.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Beautiful state of Florida.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Congressman, appreciate you, sir. We'll talk to you more as
the race continues on there, and we really thank you
for making.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
The time listen. Thanks, guys, I really appreciate it. You
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. A little bit of
a break here between guests. Actually we're going to be
joined by Tom Homan here in a moment we gave
you out all the data of just how shutdown the
border has become, which is pretty extraordinary. And by the way,
Byron Donald's just talking with us who were saying this
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off air. If he is elected governor of Florida, and
I think that he will be, and if he is
then in does a good job, I think he will
be in the mix. Assuming that Jada we're looking years ahead,
but assuming jd Vance is very likely to be the
nominee in twenty eight, which I think he is based
on how things are going right now, I think he
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would be near the top of a list for potential
vice presidential candidates because I think he's going to do
a really good job in Florida, and I think a
lot of the great worker on DeSantis has done setting
the table Florida, where you live and where I'd like
to spend a lot of time, is just going to
keep getting better and better.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I mean, you're basically a partial resident of Florida, so
I am. You do own property here, so and it's
fine to say that on the radio, by the way,
because unlike some other places, the state of Florida welcomes
people to come here and doesn't try to tax them.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
By the day.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I do in New York and California in two states
with no state income tax, so I don't have to
I Tennessee Obviously, I'm never leaving here, but I do
like to spend a lot of time in Florida, and
I can go between the two places.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Without worrying that they're going to.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Be trying to tax the hell out of me, because
neither has a state income tax.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I do think there's a similar dynamic playing out right
now in Florida and also nationwide under the Trump administration,
which is the expectations of rational people have. We have
higher expectations now for governance, which is a good thing.
There's no reason for Florida to be a poorly run,
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you know, purple to blue state with all kinds of
dysfunction and mess and no, no, no, you know, we've
come a long way. And I haven't been here long,
but the state has come a long way since the
two thousand election and all that stuff, and the same
thing I think is true now because of what Trump
is doing on a national level, you can just do things.
This is what's so amazing. Republicans have been led to
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believe for a long time, and the controlled opposition criticism
I think is very valid when you see a lot
of the old Republican ways. Republicans have been led to
believe Once we win, then it's time to figure out
what the other side will let us do, which is horrible,
horrible way to try to govern.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
No.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Trump comes in, He's like, we won, We're gonna do stuff.
Elections have consequences, very important, very important insight from Obama.
Credit where it's due. They do, and Trump is showing
everybody the consequences. Right now, we'll come back.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
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Speaker 1 (18:58):
Immigration perhaps the biggest, certainly top two in the mission
set for the Trump administration coming in here to this term,
and we may be joined here momentarily by borders. Are
Tom hom and he's busy again. Just like when we
had the Secretary of State on they got to call
the next day, They got to call the next day.
This is we're gonna have a lot of administration people
(19:20):
joining us over the next four years and particularly the
next eighteen months.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
So you know, we are at their disposal right like
they know.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Open invite to get these cabinet secretaries to join us
when they can. But Trump said this about immigration, and
this was not an idea I had heard before. It
is getting some conversation going. That's one way of putting it.
Cut three, play it.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
We're gonna be doing something else. It's going to be
very very good. We're going to be selling a gold card.
You have a green card, this is a gold card.
We're going to be putting a price on that card
of about five million dollars and that's going to give
you green card privileges. Plus it's going to be a
rep to citizenship and wealthy people will be coming into
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our country by buying this card. They'll be wealthy and
they'll be successful, and they'll be spending a lot of
money and paying a lot of taxes and employing a
lot of people. And we think it's going to be
extremely successful.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I have a few thoughts on this. First of all,
I think ten million sounds like a better number. If
we're going to be selling green cards and calling it
a gold card. That's the first thing that I thought about.
I'm also not sure this is going to get through,
but we'll see. I kind of think it's genius. I'm
not gonna lie and let me tell you why. There
are a lot of countries, so I'm gonna put my
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wife on blast here pre Trump reelection.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Well, hold on, I'll tell you the story. We got
Tom Holman, we got this zone. Who is joining us?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Now?
Speaker 4 (20:48):
My wife I will tell you this story still unless
she blows up my phone.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
But Tom Holman is with us. Tom Holman, Borders are, sir.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Thank you for taking a moment in the break from
among the most important, if not the most import or
a mission to the Trump administration so far, Sir, can
you just tell us we've been covering and this audience
is very familiar with the details of what has been
going on, the total shutdown of illegal crossings by over
ninety percent, all that, can you tell us what comes now?
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What are the escalations, What are the things that we
should expect in the weeks and months ahead from the
perspective of border security.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Well as far as border security, I'm looking at the
numbers this morning. Are crossings compared to Biden administration. We're
down ninety seven percent. We're looking at about two hundred
apprehenses of a day, and that's down from seventeen thousand
under Biden, so it's a ninety seven percent decrease. The
most impressive number I saw was the number of gtaways
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and twenty twenty three hundred Biden gotaways and These are
known gutaways. These are people who kepturing video jone traffic
or censor traffic that got away. They weren't apprehended because
borb Show was too busy dealing with the humanitarian crisis,
families and all that other stuff. About eighteen hundred do
average a day of the got aways yesterday forty one
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forty one across two thousand miles of board. So you know,
I've been doing this since nineteen eighty four. I've never
seen that number ever. So the southern borders, it's at
the best place I remember it being. And President Trump
was able to do that in one month, right, So
we got some more work to do because forty one
got aways are forty one too many gataways. I want
zero gataways. Once we get zero gtaways and we can
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say we have total operational control of the southern border
and we're dont get there, and I really truly believe that.
So we got some more things to do where the
gallaways are. Were flexing resources and enforce the personnel, DoD
and borgertrow to those areas and just said we squeeze
them out. We're asking Mexcro now that President Trump forced
Mexical military and board arrested them to appede and deny entry,
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which means they shouldn't be touching your soil. So we're
working on that. We'll get to that endgame very soon.
The star as the interi enforcement. You know, I looked
at number this morning. We're just shot twenty five thousand
arrests in the interior United States by ICE, the vast
majority of them being criminals. We need to do better.
Like the numbers are more than twice as much as
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Biden a year ago. Today, we've doubled the amount of
criminal rests. We've doubled amounts of ganga rests, We've doubled
amount of Emily Errands arrested. But I'm happy, but I'm
not satisfied. The numbers these be more twice of the
president I did personally. Nothing is not impressive to me.
We need to do more. So we're putting more teams
out there. We just brought in some contractors on to
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increase the targeting, putting more targets out of the hotel
teams to go look for. We got the whole again.
We've got the FBI, US Marshals, DEA, AHF. All these
agencies are bringing any criminalisity. They have to deal with
foreign nationals, so we're working on that. I got Pambining
at the table now soon a sanctuary city, So are
constantly putting rodbox up and causing us to be less efficient.
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So we've got a lot of things working. So I
expect those arresting the interior to rise in the very
near future and I'll be happier.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
How much, thanks for coming on and thank you for
all the work you're doing. We're talking to Tom Homan.
Ninety seven percent down on border crossings, twenty five thousand arrests,
two times what Biden was doing on arrest violent criminals.
And again, the work you've done in a month speaks
for itself. You mentioned a little bit there at the end,
Pam Bondi being in now is Department of Justice. You've
got cash and you've got Dan Bongino now running the FBI.
(24:26):
How much opposition? There have been reports that sometimes ICE
is getting the raids, are being tipped off in advanced
from deep staters who may well oppose what you're trying
to do. How much do you think that is actually
going on? And to what extent does there need to
be an investigation into opposition from inside of our own government.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Well to an extent. One is too many, But we
have identified how the ly secured for a Laura Colorado
that's being investigating. Now we've identified that person. Uh, so
we'll see all that bestary turns out. But more so
he's going to end up at a removal and prosecution. Uh.
The secretary as informas that maybe at Leka came out
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of FBI, I'm not privy to that answer is it'll
be that way too.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
But I want to say this because the vast majority
of agents saw the ninety nine point nine agents out there,
including FI agents are doing a great job. And you
know they're out there taking bad guys off the street.
So look, once too many. We've identified one and maybe
another one. But I just came back from Houston, Texas.
I ran operation at Colony Ridge for the rest of
one hundred nineteen people. That operation went seamless, flawless. We
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took a lot of bad guys to other that's a
cartel presence there, but they got cartail presence no more.
So We're gonna keep doing it and then when I'm
gonna stop. The biggest problem is is the sanctuary cities
who are constantly, uh for instance in LA they're putting
pictures up of our officers their names or phone numbers
or address them. And I've actually I met with Pam
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bind Me this morning. I'm on the dog opinion. When
you put in an agency pitcher name, add this phone number
in a public fusic, here's are the people out doing
this stuff? I think that's impededment. I think that crosses
the line. So I want her opinion on if we
can go identify who's doing this to rest them, put
handcuffs on them. So I'm waiting that opinion. I should
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get it any gain.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Now speaking of borders, are Tom Holman, who spent decades
as a guy on the front lines of our border
and the national security implications of our border and understands
all the ins and outs of this, and Tom on
on the issue of the of the ramp up. I mean,
you've talked about the numbers, first of all, the shutting
down the border, illegal crossings, the way that you've already done,
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it's it's been phenomenal. It has shown the Democrats want
of the wide open borders. So it's a huge win
already that the Trump administration has delivered for the whole country.
But then there's the issue of the ten million plus
who came in under Biden and the millions and millions
of others who are at various stages of illegal status.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Here.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
You know, the overall number is not something that we
seem to have a real definite sense of. But to
get to the kind of numbers that Trump was talking
about on the campaign trail would have to be a
dramatic increase in deportations. And there's some talk that's already
circulating of a private sector auxiliary, if you will. Eric
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Prince's name has been floated as somebody involved in this.
Is that something the administration would consider, meaning bringing in
private sector to help with the deportations. And if so,
or if not, what is the plan to get these
numbers to where there are, you know, hundreds of thousands
being deported a month instead of whatever the current number is.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Well, I can tell you I've been told that I've
been sent that plan, but I seen it again and again.
I'm stealing with the five hundred emails a day whatever
about a thousand facts, So I'm slammed. But I haven't
seen that plan. But I've said from the beginning, we
need to contract a lot of this work out. What
I mean is non law enforce work, right. We got
badges and gun with immigration as already processing. We got
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them writing warrants, We got them doing transportation, we got
them doing intelligence work, we got them on trans ground,
in air transport. I want to take every badgeing gun
with immigration authority and put them on the street. Things
that don't like We spent thousands of hours a week
processing illegal aliens. It doesn't take a badging gun, doesn't
take immigration authory. It takes some of the speak Spanish
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to processes people before us. So I'm looking at now
to build out a large contract contracting a machine to
take law enforcement officiers, all of those non law enforced dudes,
to put them on the street. Of course, that takes money,
takes a lot of money. So I've been up on
a hill several times in the last couple of weeks
on tiers. You need to pass this boarder build get
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us some money to do that, and the more money
we have, the more successful we will be. It puts
more agents on the street, it puts more by guys
in jail, and our deportation flights wh will go a
lot higher. But I can tell you this, uh you know,
I was contact by media person you know, push this
false narrator. Removal numbers behind Biden, but I remember Biden
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was counting boratrol removals with ICE removals, So courses numbers
highingmans the people who gave were crossing the border. We
got the border locked down. But if you look at
incurior rests, just those are rested in the interiered by Ice,
rey more than double them. But again I'm not halfway
that we've had ten times more than Biden because Biden
wasn't doing very much. So that is the plan right now,
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do contact and a lot of us work out. I
haven't seen the plan you talked about. I'm looking forward
to reading it. But right now we got to get
law enforcement officers, every one of them on the street,
taking away from these non enforcement duties and get them
doing they should be doing, putting handcuffs on a bad guy.
So certainly looking forward to reading it. Well the way
we go from there, but the whole concept, the contact
and that workout makes sense to me. It's what we
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need to do.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
We're talking to Tom Homan borders are doing credible work
so far. Two part question here One, how has Eric Adams,
New York City's mayor cooperation been with you so far?
I saw the Roosevelt Hotel was getting shut down. Second part,
Can Buck and I come with you on an ice
raid at some point to see for ourselves what your
crew is doing.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Answer to the second question, We'll make that work. We've
had a lot of media out there and we pulled
back to meet it just because we want to verify
the leaks. But I'm certainly don't think excusation only anything.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
You don't have to worry about us to be off
back guys.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Yeah, well we'll certainly we're certainly looking at at right now,
ride longs are are just hold while we.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Can kind of says some Tom Clay hasn't really even
been to the border, so we would love to get
with border patrol, get up in a helo, see what's
going on. I mean, I've been down many times. Well,
I want to get down with Clay. So we want
to talk to your team about that.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Look, we'll make that happen. Look, I've been from day
when I said I want to be transparent. The American
people show me exactly what we're doing, exactly who are wrestling,
exactly why we're doing it. We put a hold on
it just while we're dealing with these leagues. But we're
getting coase, getting beyond that now, so we'll fire him
back up. As far as Mayor Adams, well, i'll find
out next week. I'll be with them next week. And
and he's supposed to be writing executive orders getting back
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in the Rikers. If he does that, getting us in
the Rikers, that's the game changer. But I know he
wants to do the right thing. And what what irritates
me is that he wants to be a law and
order mayor. And because he wants to be a law
order mayor, because he's talking to Tom Hollman in a
government hope wants to fire. And this is the same
lady who said on National TV a month ago, when
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illegal aliens are beating up on an NYPD, when they're
you know, toward setting a woman on fire on the subway,
she says she fully supports the arrest and deportation of
criminal aliens, yet she wants to fire the mayor that's
going to let us in the Rikers Island. You're kidding me.
And plus she still as a green light low We
screens if you're an ICE agent, but if you're a
Borbital agent, you can't have access to New York State
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DMV data. We spans if you're in a patrol car,
you're getting ready to pull somebody over, like law enforcement
does every day, you're runn an lice plate memories, try
to find out who's in that car, who owns that cars,
if there's wants of warns in that car. The Mendu
Water of Ice and Borbito do not have access to
that data. So so much for her words saying she
supports the deportation of criminalsy she continues to put roadblocks
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instead of her fire and Mayor Adams, the voters in
New York need to fire her because she talks out
of one side of her mouth and accent differently on
the other side, So she should be removed. That's my opinion.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Tom Holman. I think you are the definition of the
right man for the job, and it is an absolutely
critical job for the nation right now. So we are
thankful for your many years of service, and we are
very thankful that you are in this position now as
borders are, and we'll be in touch with you and
you know, let us know we can get the truth
out about what's happening there. So thank you so much, sir,
and please keep up the great work.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
And God bless some men and women in the United
States barbatol. God bless the women of Immigration Customer Enforcement,
third bootend of ground. Dy're making this happened, so God
bless them.
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Speaker 4 (34:19):
We Walk Back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show what
a badass Tom Holman is. I just want to hit
some of those numbers Buck, that he gave us, because
sometimes I think you can get lost in numbers, and
I'm a data nerd. I actually like using the numbers
to tell a story. Ninety seven percent down on illegal
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border crossings to two hundred a day, down from seventeen
thousand average every day under Biden and the known got aways.
And he explained that what that was Buck, Uh, you know,
basically they see him on camera, but they don't get
to them. Down to forty one in the most recent
day from eighteen hundred a day under Biden.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Those numbers are the godaway number and the illegal crossing
number absolutely linked because to the point about being out
of the border, I was there at night the cartels,
because the cartel's control all of it, the human smuggling
and the drug smuggling, and if you don't pay them,
you die, right. So it's so the cartel's play would
send boats of women and children that'd send like a
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raft or a sort of a little motor boat across
the Rio Grant. And then when border patrol would gather
with them to you know, bring them water and take
care of them and make sure you know, the humanitarian
mission is being a mile down. Guess what happens just
you know, go fasts and drug mules as fast as
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they can because they know that they have limited resources. Right,
So the godaways and the illegal crossings are always those
numbers are are kind of synergistic. They build on each other.
So you bring down one a lot meaning people that
are saying, oh I'm here, give me asylum. Now you
have the resources to prevent the god o from bringing
the fentanel in to kill Americans when.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
We come back. Well, actually I think we can play
this really quick. I will play it we come back.
We got a lot of you weighing in with a
variety of different talkbacks, but Buck, you started to set
the table for the question about the Golden Ticket, basically
as Trump is calling it, five million dollars that would
allow you from a foreign country to buy citizenship. Can
(36:24):
we get the audio during the break of Trump saying
that it could actually cure the entire federal budget deficit,
because that is actually super interesting to me with how
many people would actually be interested in this worldwidide. We
can lay out this plan too that's being discussed of
former Blackwater founder Eric Prince private sector. Tom Holman says
(36:45):
private sector is needed to get the deportations to the
level they should be. I'll lay out what's being said
about that plan and more coming up.
All right, our two Clay and Buck kicks off now
all across the nation.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Thanks for being with us, everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
We are joined by Congressman Byron Donald's now from the
fantastic state of Florida, which Congressman, appreciate you being with us.
My understanding, our understanding everybody's is that you have your
eye on the governor's position going forward. And I just
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want to know what brought you to this and what
would you do because I love this Florida. Tell me
the amazing things you plan to do as governor for
this great state of Florida.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Well, first of all, it's great to be with you guys. Yep.
I'm running for governor of Florida. I announced last night,
and you know, look for me. I came to the
state at seventeen. I got it, you know. I got
off a greyhound bus in Tallahassee, Florida to go to
college at a trunk full of clothes and that was
about it. And I was able to build a family,
a career in finance, no I mean, not even dealing
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with politics. It was before politics, and build a career
in this state and it's been wonderful to me. And
I want to make sure that it continues to be
the best state in the country far and none. You know,
we've had great leadership by Ron De Santis, and there's
been so much work that's been done to move Florida
from a purple from a blue state to a purple state,
to know a red state. And my mission is just
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to keep it going and make it better than it's
ever been.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Byron, we're going to get into the governor race and
all those things. But I said in the first hour
that I had to ask you the most important question
in the mind of many people in Florida. What in
the world happened to your Florida State seminoles. One of
the last times you were on with us, you were
arguing that you should have been in the playoffs. Now,
I mean, are you guys even going to be able
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to beat anybody in the acc this coming year?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You know what, that's a low blow. You weren't even
supposed to do that. But that's all right. Listen, Florida State.
It was a tough year last year. Well we'll be back.
But I still stand by what I said the year before.
We should have been in the play playoffs because we
had a fantastic season, but last year just things didn't
work out. So you know, we're gonna retool and we're
gonna rebuild and we'll be back. Don't even worry about it.
One thing you got to know about the Florida State Seminoles.
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We're unconquered. We're gonna make sure we returned. We're gonna
be back better.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
I don't know if you know this, Byron, but Buck's
wife is a Florida Gator grad. What should Buck has
never been to an FSU UF game? And it's one
of the great rivalries in all of college football? What
should he know about that in State Florida rivalry and
how bitter and frankly fantastic it has been for football
fans over the years.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Listen, it's one of the best rivalries in football. It's intense.
Make sure you go, and then when you go, and
make sure you go. It doesn't even matter if you're
in Dolt Campbell or you're in Ben Hill Griffin Stadium.
It's always a great time. The teams come out and
play hard. The records don't even matter in these games.
It's smash mouth football. It is a great time and
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it's the same type of rivalry like Michigan, Ohio State,
like Alabama and Auburn. It's just a great time, great feeling,
great event. You know, somebody win, somebody loses. You know,
Florida State's won a lot of them, but so as
the University of Florida. But look, make sure you get
out there and watch that game. It's phenomenal. I try
not to miss it.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Speaking of Congressan Byern Donalds, he is running for the
next opening in the governor's mansion here in Florida, the Congress.
I want to brought it in an out nationally here
for a second, if I could. You and President Trump
have a great relationship, and obviously he has already come
forward with a full throated endorsement of you for governor
of Florida. What are you thinking right now about how
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it's all going? I mean, as you're seeing Trump and
and Doge with with Elon acting on behalf of the president,
shaking up the system, the media in retreat. Just I
wanted to get your take on is this all moving
even faster than you anticipated? And how do you want
to get in on the action and help.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
It's actually moving faster than even I thought but I
will tell you that the team has been committed to
having this be done, and it's different. It's one thing
when you just have a chief executive who's mission minded,
but when you have a team around him that's also
about the same mission this. These are the results that
you get. They've been moving at warp speed and it's
a great thing to see. And I think in terms
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of getting in on the action, that's just Congress doing
its job. Last night we were able to pass through
a budget resolution to start moving the president's agenda through Congress.
We've passed one, the bigger one, the Senate passed the
smaller one. But we're gonna start rocking and rolling in
Congress to meet the moment and meet the urgency that
the Trump administration has come back to Washington with it.
(04:46):
It's been a great thing. Listen. I was listening to
the Breakfast Club. There's a clip of the Breakfast Club
the other day from somebody who's a federal employee, and
she was saying, like she doesn't even understand why people
are complaining about how you have to like send out
an email talking about what you did and if you can,
if you could have put that email out then you know,
what are you doing? You might need to go find
another job, and that's on the breakfast club. I mean,
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they're not known to be a bastion of conservatism in
America first policy, but that's what the American people are
looking for. It's time to be efficient, it's time to
just get the job done. And if you're just going
to be an impediment to that, you got to get
out the way. It's about the American people first, second,
and third, it's not about special interests. It's not about
a loaded federal bureaucracy that just gets to continue operating
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regardless of elections, regardless of what are the needs of
the American people.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I know, Byron, you have a huge amount of support
already in Florida, and as you mentioned, Florida's a red state.
Now the Republican nominee is going to be the governor.
I think that's going to be you. Do you expect
very many other people to get in the race. What
do you think this Republican primary is going to look
like going forward?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Honestly, I really don't know. I will see. I mean, look,
my focus is just run the best race. I can
work hard, get to every part of our state, talk
to the people and earn their support. And you know,
whether it's two people, three people, ten people, I think
will be successful. Really I'm I'm honored to have the
president support. We're building support all over the state from
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people that I served with with my time in Tallahassee,
people that I've worked with in my time in Congress.
And it is really a humbling feeling to know that
so many people support you and have your back. But
we're just going to take this campaign to the people.
It's about seeing people in their communities, addressing their concerns
and earning their support. And look, I have the you know,
I have the biggest endorsement in politics with President Trump,
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but I want to go earn the endorsement from every
Floridian because, you know, for our states to continue on
the trajectory we're going, everybody's got to be a part
of it. It's going to be a total team effort.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
You got the endorsement of Trump. Again, in my opinion,
you're going to be the nominee, and I don't want to,
you know, spike the football before we get to early,
but appreciate you announcing. Do you think that Governor Ron
DeSantis will endorse How do you think that he will
play it out? He's term limited out for people out
there who may not know, so he cannot run again.
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Twenty twenty six, there's going to be a new governor regardless.
Are you going to ask for seek his endorsement? What
do you think he'll do with the race?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I mean, I would love to earn it, and I
think the reason and I think honestly, you know, back
in twenty eighteen, you know, when Governor DeSantis, then candidate DeSantis,
had won the primary and the radical left try to
go at him because you know of a phrase he
used about referring to his opponent. You know, I went
and did media instead in the gap for him because
I believed he was going to be a great governor.
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And I was proven right. He has been a great governor.
You know. I was there to help him win in
twenty eighteen campaign for him, have always supported him, and
I think at the end of the day, I just
want to be able to pick his brain, you know,
learn from him. You know that being the chief executive
is not easy and so there's a lot of I know,
there's a lot of advice he has. I want to
be able to lean on that, and so I would
love to be able to earn his support, and I
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think there will be a time for that. We'll see
how that goes, you know, But in terms of how
the rest of the rest of the race unfolds, too
soon to tell. I'm just going to focus on my
business and really go see the people of Florida and
earn their support.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
What do you think about the recent move from the
governor's office Congressman Donald's to get rid of property taxes
here in the state of Florida. I mean, that's something
that it sounds it sounds too good to be true,
but he seems serious about it. If he's not able
to get that done before the end of his term,
is that something you would look at. We already think
of Florida as a low tax state, but which is great.
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But I think other states also look at this and say, well,
hold on a second, are there other efficiencies, other things
that we can do to make this an even more
not just attractive climate for businesses, but for individuals who
don't want to feel like they have to rent their
house from the state every year, which is really what
property taxes end up being.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
No that's one hundred percent correct. I think, you know,
even when Governor DeSantis was in Congress, this is something
I believe he was advocated for, and so I think
he's serious about it. If they're successful in Tallahassee, I
would love for them to be able to do that,
and it's something I definitely want to look at. I
think it's important for people to understand there are a
lot of nuances when you get rid of property taxes.
(09:19):
So I'm not trying to hedge. I'm trying to make
sure people understand all the ramifications associated with it. But
I would be in support of getting rid of property
taxes in our state. There are other ways to raise
revenue for local government, so they can provide for police,
for fire, for roadways, and for capital improvements in building schools.
There's ways to do that. I think this is a
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golden opportunity, not just in Florida's history, but in the
country's history to really examine new ways of doing business
that are far more efficient, far more responsive to the
needs and to the will of the people. And just
as a quick pushback for people who would say, oh, well,
getting rid of property taxes only favors people, well, who
have means or who are wealthy. Let's be perfectly honest.
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Let's be intellectually honest. If you rent property in Florida,
you are paying property taxes because if you're a property
from somebody else, you're paying in part the property taxes
through your rent. So it affects everybody, whether you're a renter,
whether you're an owner, rich or poor, everybody's affected. So
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if we're going to do this, let's look at it
intellectually honestly, and let's make sure we're doing the best
thing for everybody in our state, So especially people who
are or they have more access to be able to
own a home or buy a home, or whatever the
case might be. But then from a government perspective, we
are efficient in how we are levying taxes on our citizens,
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and that we have to be responsive with the dollars
that we're taking from citizens to run government.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Byron Donalds.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
He's announced Congressman from South Florida that he is going
to be running for governor of the state of Florida.
Last question for you here, I own property in Florida.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I love it. Thirty A beautiful place, bucket, the.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Gulf of America. In fact, on the Gulf of America.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
I do I own property on the Gulf of America.
Buck is going to be voting in your race. He
is a citizen of the state of Florida.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
What does it say.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I want to go back to how you started it off,
because I think it's super compelling. You came to Florida
with nothing at seventeen years old.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Now you are.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
It's a great American success story running to be the
governor of the state of Florida. What does it say
about the opportunity that the Sunshine State offers your career
path and the life trajectory that you have had.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
We're a meritocracy, That's what Florida is. Florida's a meritocracy.
If you work hard enough, if you grind and look,
nothing's perfect, this pitfalls everywhere, that's just life. But if
you work hard and you grind, and you constantly are
looking forward to the next successes, things to really happen
for you in our state, you know, and I look
at look our current governor. He grew up poor. I
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think it was Dunedin is where he grew up. He
grew up poor, and look what he's done for himself
in his life. It has been a phenomenal life for him,
Governor Scott. Governor Scott, this single parent household, like me,
grew up poor and look at what he's been able
to do in his life. And so I think that
when you take that, when you peel back the layers
of the you know, the last two men, the current
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men to lead our state, Governor Scott before him, potentially me,
I think what it demonstrates is in our state, anything
and everything is possible. It's hard work, it's determination, it's
having your family and people good people around you, and
as long as you can try to put those things
together and just walk through the pitfalls that come in
everybody's life, success is really around the corner. So you know,
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if that's what it means, is being the state's next governor,
that that's really a symbol of what's possible, so be it.
But it's really about everybody in our state just chasing
that dream in Florida being the land of freedom and
opportunity for everybody in the Sunrise.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Congressman Byron Donald's and hopefully the next governor of my.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Beautiful state of Florida.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Congressman, appreciate you, sir. We'll talk to you more as
the race continues on there, and we really thank you
for making.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
The time listen. Thanks, guys, I really appreciate it. You
guys take it easy.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. A little bit of
a break here between guests. Actually we're going to be
joined by Tom Homan here in a moment we gave
you out all the data of just how shutdown the
border has become, which is pretty extraordinary. And by the way,
Byron Donald's just talking with us who were saying this
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off air. If he is elected governor of Florida, and
I think that he will be, and if he is
then in does a good job, I think he will
be in the mix. Assuming that Jada we're looking years ahead,
but assuming jd Vance is very likely to be the
nominee in twenty eight, which I think he is based
on how things are going right now, I think he
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would be near the top of a list for potential
vice presidential candidates because I think he's going to do
a really good job in Florida, and I think a
lot of the great worker on DeSantis has done setting
the table Florida, where you live and where I'd like
to spend a lot of time, is just going to
keep getting better and better.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I mean, you're basically a partial resident of Florida, so
I am. You do own property here, so and it's
fine to say that on the radio, by the way,
because unlike some other places, the state of Florida welcomes
people to come here and doesn't try to tax them.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
By the day.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I do in New York and California in two states
with no state income tax, so I don't have to
I Tennessee Obviously, I'm never leaving here, but I do
like to spend a lot of time in Florida, and
I can go between the two places.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Without worrying that they're going to.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Be trying to tax the hell out of me, because
neither has a state income tax.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I do think there's a similar dynamic playing out right
now in Florida and also nationwide under the Trump administration,
which is the expectations of rational people have. We have
higher expectations now for governance, which is a good thing.
There's no reason for Florida to be a poorly run,
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you know, purple to blue state with all kinds of
dysfunction and mess and no, no, no, you know, we've
come a long way. And I haven't been here long,
but the state has come a long way since the
two thousand election and all that stuff, and the same
thing I think is true now because of what Trump
is doing on a national level, you can just do things.
This is what's so amazing. Republicans have been led to
(17:15):
believe for a long time, and the controlled opposition criticism
I think is very valid when you see a lot
of the old Republican ways. Republicans have been led to
believe Once we win, then it's time to figure out
what the other side will let us do, which is horrible,
horrible way to try to govern.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
No.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Trump comes in, He's like, we won, We're gonna do stuff.
Elections have consequences, very important, very important insight from Obama.
Credit where it's due. They do, and Trump is showing
everybody the consequences. Right now, we'll come back.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
We'll talk with Tom Homan about the consequences at the
border in particular, and what a good job he has
been doing in that job shutting it down. But in
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Speaker 2 (18:56):
All right, Welcome back into clay An Buck.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Immigration perhaps the biggest, certainly top two in the mission
set for the Trump administration coming in here to this term,
and we may be joined here momentarily by borders. Are
Tom hom and he's busy again. Just like when we
had the Secretary of State on they got to call
the next day, They got to call the next day.
This is we're gonna have a lot of administration people
(19:20):
joining us over the next four years and particularly the
next eighteen months.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
So you know, we are at their disposal right like
they know.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Open invite to get these cabinet secretaries to join us
when they can. But Trump said this about immigration, and
this was not an idea I had heard before. It
is getting some conversation going. That's one way of putting it.
Cut three, play it.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
We're gonna be doing something else. It's going to be
very very good. We're going to be selling a gold card.
You have a green card, this is a gold card.
We're going to be putting a price on that card
of about five million dollars and that's going to give
you green card privileges. Plus it's going to be a
rep to citizenship and wealthy people will be coming into
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our country by buying this card. They'll be wealthy and
they'll be successful, and they'll be spending a lot of
money and paying a lot of taxes and employing a
lot of people. And we think it's going to be
extremely successful.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I have a few thoughts on this. First of all,
I think ten million sounds like a better number. If
we're going to be selling green cards and calling it
a gold card. That's the first thing that I thought about.
I'm also not sure this is going to get through,
but we'll see. I kind of think it's genius. I'm
not gonna lie and let me tell you why. There
are a lot of countries, so I'm gonna put my
(20:39):
wife on blast here pre Trump reelection.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Well, hold on, I'll tell you the story. We got
Tom Holman, we got this zone. Who is joining us?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Now?
Speaker 4 (20:48):
My wife I will tell you this story still unless
she blows up my phone.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
But Tom Holman is with us. Tom Holman, Borders are, sir.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Thank you for taking a moment in the break from
among the most important, if not the most import or
a mission to the Trump administration so far, Sir, can
you just tell us we've been covering and this audience
is very familiar with the details of what has been
going on, the total shutdown of illegal crossings by over
ninety percent, all that, can you tell us what comes now?
(21:15):
What are the escalations, What are the things that we
should expect in the weeks and months ahead from the
perspective of border security.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Well as far as border security, I'm looking at the
numbers this morning. Are crossings compared to Biden administration. We're
down ninety seven percent. We're looking at about two hundred
apprehenses of a day, and that's down from seventeen thousand
under Biden, so it's a ninety seven percent decrease. The
most impressive number I saw was the number of gtaways
(21:45):
and twenty twenty three hundred Biden gotaways and These are
known gutaways. These are people who kepturing video jone traffic
or censor traffic that got away. They weren't apprehended because
borb Show was too busy dealing with the humanitarian crisis,
families and all that other stuff. About eighteen hundred do
average a day of the got aways yesterday forty one
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forty one across two thousand miles of board. So you know,
I've been doing this since nineteen eighty four. I've never
seen that number ever. So the southern borders, it's at
the best place I remember it being. And President Trump
was able to do that in one month, right, So
we got some more work to do because forty one
got aways are forty one too many gataways. I want
zero gataways. Once we get zero gtaways and we can
(22:27):
say we have total operational control of the southern border
and we're dont get there, and I really truly believe that.
So we got some more things to do where the
gallaways are. Were flexing resources and enforce the personnel, DoD
and borgertrow to those areas and just said we squeeze
them out. We're asking Mexcro now that President Trump forced
Mexical military and board arrested them to appede and deny entry,
(22:49):
which means they shouldn't be touching your soil. So we're
working on that. We'll get to that endgame very soon.
The star as the interi enforcement. You know, I looked
at number this morning. We're just shot twenty five thousand
arrests in the interior United States by ICE, the vast
majority of them being criminals. We need to do better.
Like the numbers are more than twice as much as
(23:10):
Biden a year ago. Today, we've doubled the amount of
criminal rests. We've doubled amounts of ganga rests, We've doubled
amount of Emily Errands arrested. But I'm happy, but I'm
not satisfied. The numbers these be more twice of the
president I did personally. Nothing is not impressive to me.
We need to do more. So we're putting more teams
out there. We just brought in some contractors on to
(23:32):
increase the targeting, putting more targets out of the hotel
teams to go look for. We got the whole again.
We've got the FBI, US Marshals, DEA, AHF. All these
agencies are bringing any criminalisity. They have to deal with
foreign nationals, so we're working on that. I got Pambining
at the table now soon a sanctuary city, So are
constantly putting rodbox up and causing us to be less efficient.
(23:54):
So we've got a lot of things working. So I
expect those arresting the interior to rise in the very
near future and I'll be happier.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
How much, thanks for coming on and thank you for
all the work you're doing. We're talking to Tom Homan.
Ninety seven percent down on border crossings, twenty five thousand arrests,
two times what Biden was doing on arrest violent criminals.
And again, the work you've done in a month speaks
for itself. You mentioned a little bit there at the end,
Pam Bondi being in now is Department of Justice. You've
got cash and you've got Dan Bongino now running the FBI.
(24:26):
How much opposition? There have been reports that sometimes ICE
is getting the raids, are being tipped off in advanced
from deep staters who may well oppose what you're trying
to do. How much do you think that is actually
going on? And to what extent does there need to
be an investigation into opposition from inside of our own government.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Well to an extent. One is too many, But we
have identified how the ly secured for a Laura Colorado
that's being investigating. Now we've identified that person. Uh, so
we'll see all that bestary turns out. But more so
he's going to end up at a removal and prosecution. Uh.
The secretary as informas that maybe at Leka came out
(25:11):
of FBI, I'm not privy to that answer is it'll
be that way too.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
But I want to say this because the vast majority
of agents saw the ninety nine point nine agents out there,
including FI agents are doing a great job. And you
know they're out there taking bad guys off the street.
So look, once too many. We've identified one and maybe
another one. But I just came back from Houston, Texas.
I ran operation at Colony Ridge for the rest of
one hundred nineteen people. That operation went seamless, flawless. We
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took a lot of bad guys to other that's a
cartel presence there, but they got cartail presence no more.
So We're gonna keep doing it and then when I'm
gonna stop. The biggest problem is is the sanctuary cities
who are constantly, uh for instance in LA they're putting
pictures up of our officers their names or phone numbers
or address them. And I've actually I met with Pam
(26:03):
bind Me this morning. I'm on the dog opinion. When
you put in an agency pitcher name, add this phone number
in a public fusic, here's are the people out doing
this stuff? I think that's impededment. I think that crosses
the line. So I want her opinion on if we
can go identify who's doing this to rest them, put
handcuffs on them. So I'm waiting that opinion. I should
(26:24):
get it any gain.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Now speaking of borders, are Tom Holman, who spent decades
as a guy on the front lines of our border
and the national security implications of our border and understands
all the ins and outs of this, and Tom on
on the issue of the of the ramp up. I mean,
you've talked about the numbers, first of all, the shutting
down the border, illegal crossings, the way that you've already done,
(26:49):
it's it's been phenomenal. It has shown the Democrats want
of the wide open borders. So it's a huge win
already that the Trump administration has delivered for the whole country.
But then there's the issue of the ten million plus
who came in under Biden and the millions and millions
of others who are at various stages of illegal status.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Here.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
You know, the overall number is not something that we
seem to have a real definite sense of. But to
get to the kind of numbers that Trump was talking
about on the campaign trail would have to be a
dramatic increase in deportations. And there's some talk that's already
circulating of a private sector auxiliary, if you will. Eric
(27:33):
Prince's name has been floated as somebody involved in this.
Is that something the administration would consider, meaning bringing in
private sector to help with the deportations. And if so,
or if not, what is the plan to get these
numbers to where there are, you know, hundreds of thousands
being deported a month instead of whatever the current number is.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Well, I can tell you I've been told that I've
been sent that plan, but I seen it again and again.
I'm stealing with the five hundred emails a day whatever
about a thousand facts, So I'm slammed. But I haven't
seen that plan. But I've said from the beginning, we
need to contract a lot of this work out. What
I mean is non law enforce work, right. We got
badges and gun with immigration as already processing. We got
(28:17):
them writing warrants, We got them doing transportation, we got
them doing intelligence work, we got them on trans ground,
in air transport. I want to take every badgeing gun
with immigration authority and put them on the street. Things
that don't like We spent thousands of hours a week
processing illegal aliens. It doesn't take a badging gun, doesn't
take immigration authory. It takes some of the speak Spanish
(28:39):
to processes people before us. So I'm looking at now
to build out a large contract contracting a machine to
take law enforcement officiers, all of those non law enforced dudes,
to put them on the street. Of course, that takes money,
takes a lot of money. So I've been up on
a hill several times in the last couple of weeks
on tiers. You need to pass this boarder build get
(28:59):
us some money to do that, and the more money
we have, the more successful we will be. It puts
more agents on the street, it puts more by guys
in jail, and our deportation flights wh will go a
lot higher. But I can tell you this, uh you know,
I was contact by media person you know, push this
false narrator. Removal numbers behind Biden, but I remember Biden
(29:21):
was counting boratrol removals with ICE removals, So courses numbers
highingmans the people who gave were crossing the border. We
got the border locked down. But if you look at
incurior rests, just those are rested in the interiered by Ice,
rey more than double them. But again I'm not halfway
that we've had ten times more than Biden because Biden
wasn't doing very much. So that is the plan right now,
(29:41):
do contact and a lot of us work out. I
haven't seen the plan you talked about. I'm looking forward
to reading it. But right now we got to get
law enforcement officers, every one of them on the street,
taking away from these non enforcement duties and get them
doing they should be doing, putting handcuffs on a bad guy.
So certainly looking forward to reading it. Well the way
we go from there, but the whole concept, the contact
and that workout makes sense to me. It's what we
(30:03):
need to do.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
We're talking to Tom Homan borders are doing credible work
so far. Two part question here One, how has Eric Adams,
New York City's mayor cooperation been with you so far?
I saw the Roosevelt Hotel was getting shut down. Second part,
Can Buck and I come with you on an ice
raid at some point to see for ourselves what your
crew is doing.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Answer to the second question, We'll make that work. We've
had a lot of media out there and we pulled
back to meet it just because we want to verify
the leaks. But I'm certainly don't think excusation only anything.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
You don't have to worry about us to be off
back guys.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Yeah, well we'll certainly we're certainly looking at at right now,
ride longs are are just hold while we.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Can kind of says some Tom Clay hasn't really even
been to the border, so we would love to get
with border patrol, get up in a helo, see what's
going on. I mean, I've been down many times. Well,
I want to get down with Clay. So we want
to talk to your team about that.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Look, we'll make that happen. Look, I've been from day
when I said I want to be transparent. The American
people show me exactly what we're doing, exactly who are wrestling,
exactly why we're doing it. We put a hold on
it just while we're dealing with these leagues. But we're
getting coase, getting beyond that now, so we'll fire him
back up. As far as Mayor Adams, well, i'll find
out next week. I'll be with them next week. And
and he's supposed to be writing executive orders getting back
(31:25):
in the Rikers. If he does that, getting us in
the Rikers, that's the game changer. But I know he
wants to do the right thing. And what what irritates
me is that he wants to be a law and
order mayor. And because he wants to be a law
order mayor, because he's talking to Tom Hollman in a
government hope wants to fire. And this is the same
lady who said on National TV a month ago, when
(31:45):
illegal aliens are beating up on an NYPD, when they're
you know, toward setting a woman on fire on the subway,
she says she fully supports the arrest and deportation of
criminal aliens, yet she wants to fire the mayor that's
going to let us in the Rikers Island. You're kidding me.
And plus she still as a green light low We
screens if you're an ICE agent, but if you're a
Borbital agent, you can't have access to New York State
(32:07):
DMV data. We spans if you're in a patrol car,
you're getting ready to pull somebody over, like law enforcement
does every day, you're runn an lice plate memories, try
to find out who's in that car, who owns that cars,
if there's wants of warns in that car. The Mendu
Water of Ice and Borbito do not have access to
that data. So so much for her words saying she
supports the deportation of criminalsy she continues to put roadblocks
(32:29):
instead of her fire and Mayor Adams, the voters in
New York need to fire her because she talks out
of one side of her mouth and accent differently on
the other side, So she should be removed. That's my opinion.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Tom Holman. I think you are the definition of the
right man for the job, and it is an absolutely
critical job for the nation right now. So we are
thankful for your many years of service, and we are
very thankful that you are in this position now as
borders are, and we'll be in touch with you and
you know, let us know we can get the truth
out about what's happening there. So thank you so much, sir,
and please keep up the great work.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
And God bless some men and women in the United
States barbatol. God bless the women of Immigration Customer Enforcement,
third bootend of ground. Dy're making this happened, so God
bless them.
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Speaker 4 (34:19):
We Walk Back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show what
a badass Tom Holman is. I just want to hit
some of those numbers Buck, that he gave us, because
sometimes I think you can get lost in numbers, and
I'm a data nerd. I actually like using the numbers
to tell a story. Ninety seven percent down on illegal
(34:39):
border crossings to two hundred a day, down from seventeen
thousand average every day under Biden and the known got aways.
And he explained that what that was Buck, Uh, you know,
basically they see him on camera, but they don't get
to them. Down to forty one in the most recent
day from eighteen hundred a day under Biden.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Those numbers are the godaway number and the illegal crossing
number absolutely linked because to the point about being out
of the border, I was there at night the cartels,
because the cartel's control all of it, the human smuggling
and the drug smuggling, and if you don't pay them,
you die, right. So it's so the cartel's play would
send boats of women and children that'd send like a
(35:22):
raft or a sort of a little motor boat across
the Rio Grant. And then when border patrol would gather
with them to you know, bring them water and take
care of them and make sure you know, the humanitarian
mission is being a mile down. Guess what happens just
you know, go fasts and drug mules as fast as
(35:43):
they can because they know that they have limited resources. Right,
So the godaways and the illegal crossings are always those
numbers are are kind of synergistic. They build on each other.
So you bring down one a lot meaning people that
are saying, oh I'm here, give me asylum. Now you
have the resources to prevent the god o from bringing
the fentanel in to kill Americans when.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
We come back. Well, actually I think we can play
this really quick. I will play it we come back.
We got a lot of you weighing in with a
variety of different talkbacks, but Buck, you started to set
the table for the question about the Golden Ticket, basically
as Trump is calling it, five million dollars that would
allow you from a foreign country to buy citizenship. Can
(36:24):
we get the audio during the break of Trump saying
that it could actually cure the entire federal budget deficit,
because that is actually super interesting to me with how
many people would actually be interested in this worldwidide. We
can lay out this plan too that's being discussed of
former Blackwater founder Eric Prince private sector. Tom Holman says
(36:45):
private sector is needed to get the deportations to the
level they should be. I'll lay out what's being said
about that plan and more coming up.
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