June 14, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a dynamic and wide-ranging discussion from Washington, D.C., where Clay and Buck are meeting with key political figures, including President Donald Trump and top senators. This hour features in-depth commentary on Second Amendment rights, as Buck shares his recent NRA Pistol Instructor Certification experience and discusses the importance of firearms training with Clay, whose family is also actively engaged in gun safety education. The hosts dive into the cultural and political implications of Simone Biles’ controversial comments about Riley Gaines, highlighting the backlash Biles received for attacking Gaines’ appearance amid a broader debate on fairness in women’s sports. Clay and Buck analyze Biles’ PR-crafted apology and contrast it with Gaines’ authentic, articulate response, reinforcing their stance on protecting competitive integrity in female athletics. Later in the hour, the show features an exclusive interview with New York Post columnist Miranda Devine, who recently sat down with President Trump as her first guest on her new podcast Pod Force One. Devine shares insights from their conversation, including Trump’s reflections on his childhood, his views on Elon Musk, and his strategic mindset heading into a potential second term. Trump reportedly emphasized his readiness to act decisively, his improved team, and his commitment to preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. The hour wraps up with a lighter segment where Clay Travis challenges WNBA star Angel Reese to a one-on-one basketball game, sparking humorous debate and listener reactions. The hosts also tease future sports-related content and discuss the idea of a sovereign wealth fund for the U.S., referencing commentary from financial expert Jim Rickards
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Thanks for being here with us, everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Clay and I in Washington, d C, our nation's capital,
but you're always with us when we're on the air
and off the air. Clay, I was getting a salad
yesterday right from the airport, you know, trying to stay healthy,
trying to be beach ready over here to there that
I can. You know, Clay and I are trying to
be trying to be fit radio hosts, which puts us
into a certainly by the way, in oxymoron.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You know, usually radio hosts, we like our bacon cheeseburgers.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
But I was in there and within a few minutes
of setting foot in DC, some of our wonderful listeners
came up to me and they said they loved the
show and they were visiting here. They were not swamp natives,
but they were visiting our nation's capital. So it's great
to be here with all of you. As you know,
we've got a whole bunch of meetings lined up with
the people calling the shots here. Some at their request,
(00:51):
they said they want to spend.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Some time with us.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
So we're here doing our DC tour, so we can
touch base with everybody from the President on doubt who
is running thing. And also over the weekend, Clay, you know,
we've talked a little bit here about how it would
be fun to get you and Laura.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We all know.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Laura's going to be a fantastic shot if she isn't
already do a range day. So my brother Mason and
I completed the NRA Pistol Instructor Certification course over the weekend.
Had to call, had to actually go through a bunch
of a bunch of range qualifications in order to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
But we came through.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
W are wondering, it's fifteen yards steel sites, twenty shots.
I know a lot of you are instructors, and I
know a lot of you are instructors, you know, black
belt with three stripes on and all that. But for
those who aren't instructors, it was fifteen yards iron sites.
That wasn't a requirement, but our guy wanted us to
make sure we were dialed in, so it was fifteen
(01:48):
yards iron sites. At least I think it was sixteen
or seventeen out of twenty in that six inch target.
So yeah, so Clay, we can set up a range
day for you. Now'd be absolutely fantastic. NRA certified and
ready to rock and roll big timers. Yeah, that would
be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Because my wife is pretty fired up about the need
for firearms training.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So I mentioned this on Mother's Day.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
She had the kids and me out on the range
getting trained in firearms.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I know, I loved it. I saw the photos, I
saw the.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Video of it was I don't know how many people
wanted to spend their Mother's Day that way.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
My wife was that was brilliant. I was so pleased
to see it. I'll just tell you though. It was fun.
During there were about twenty people in this class. We
had an excellent instructor down in South Florida. But we
had about twenty people in the class, and I'd say
about half of them. It was only two days, right,
it was Saturday and Sunday all day. But at the
end they all came up like, hey man, love the show.
So we had a lot of I was like, I
(02:46):
think we're in a pistol class in South Florida with
NRA members, and these are people that shoot a lot,
a lot of law enforcement, a lot of a lot
of people who the guns are something that they're caring
for part of their job. Who were in the class,
and we got a lot of Clay and Buck people
in there. So it was unsurprised.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I was like, I think we're with our people here.
I looked around and was like, oh, we are with
our people. I think there's also I mean, this is
not going to surprise. We were up here for inauguration Day.
But I do think that there are a lot of
people that the Trump team has brought into d C.
Even though DC is ninety two percent or whatever it
is of a Democrat stronghold. You know, I lived here
(03:23):
during a Republican administration, and I lived here for during
at least part of a Democratic So I was here
for the Bush years. Oh, basically second Bush term. I
lived the whole second Bush term. I lived in DC
more or less, and the first two.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Years of Obama, I think I was here.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
And then when you have that transition from one party
to the other, it feels like a very different town
just based on who's here and the vibe.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I was a kid, so it was less noticeable to me,
meaning I was in college, but I came in at
the very end of the Clintons and then the George W.
Bush era and then left right before nine to eleven,
which obviously changed things tremendously for the worst in so
many different ways. I mean, one of the reasons we're
up here now is obviously to get as many Senators
in as possible. You heard from Ron Johnson yesterday. We
(04:13):
had Tommy Tuberville and Marsha Blackburn in here. We want
to talk to as many newsmakers as we can in person.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
A lot more.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
We're going to have Marco Rubio in studio with us
on Thursday for a couple of segments, which I think
you guys will really enjoy. Secretary of State will dive
into some of those Ukraine questions that so many of
you have, and also what's going on in the Middle
East with Iran. A lot of different things we can
talk about with Marco Rubio. But my seventeen year old
(04:42):
and his friend. I'm in charge of him, and I
was telling you yesterday we were in Georgetown, I'm so
thankful that I've got a seventeen year old boy, because
if I had a seventeen year old daughter, there's no
way she's going to be I said, hey, guys, just
make sure he and his friend, Hey, make sure you're
back by dark and you guys can around you be
in Georgetown.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I'm gonna be honest with you, Buck.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
If I had a seventeen year old daughter, there's no
way on the planet I would be letting her run
around in Washington, d C. I would be nervous about
her because because you have obviously you know I have
this with my wife. Yeah, where you have the location
finder on your phone. Yeah, my wife, Kerry knows where
I am at all times. She knows where she where,
(05:24):
you know, and vice versa. But I know you have
that with your boys. Yeah, of course, you know immediate family.
But if you had a seventeen year old daughter, what
do you think she had to carry a GoPro around,
you know, kind of like a like a cop, Like
she has to wear a body cam just to make
sure everything is on the up and up. I was
glancing down just to make sure, you know, like, hey,
where are they when we were having drinks, and and
(05:47):
that's when I was like, I mean, if I had
a seventeen year old daughter, there's no way on the
planet I would be like, hey, just go wonder around
and you and your teenage girlfriend. Just go wonder around
in Georgetown, have as much fun as you want. Just
make sure you're back by dark. No, Dad, they would,
they would, Unfortunately for them, they would have to do
every meal with dad and uh And I'm not as
much worried about the boys running around. Maybe that's a
(06:08):
poor decision by me on parenting, but who's the disciplinary
interview And my wife is way tougher than I am.
That's probably not gonna surprise you. But but I actually
I think I think Carrie is gonna be for young James.
I think Carrie's gonna I'm gonna be visiting every buddy.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
You don't want me to turn this over to your mom, right,
I think Carrie's gonna be the law and order in
our house.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
She's pretty tough on him sometimes, kind.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Of funny, we both are in that position. I'm gonna
be the one that's like, you know, stuff happens.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
It's I already feel a little bit sorry for the
girlfriends of these, uh, these boys, because I don't think
that my boys that I don't think she's gonna go
too easy on them. So anyway, I give thanks every
single day that I've got three boys instead of three girls.
And I was thinking about that yesterday as as we
were rolling through enjoying.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Let's dive and you know this one better than me.
I saw some of it over the weekend. I know
you talked to Riley Gaines yesterday. Some updates to this.
The Simone Biles, who I remember, I got all that
things you got, I mean, Crush might be a little strung.
There were some there were some sour leftists out there
saying some mean.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Things because you said on the show that you have
gotten ripped for harder than by like national media figures.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Very few like your tape.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I'm sitting here, I am like to port them by
the millions, and no problem. Hey, I don't think we
need to celebrate Simone Biles stepping away from her team
during the Olympics.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I didn't say that.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I wasn't like, oh, she's a coward, you know whatever,
and she's an incredible shape and I'm not, and she's
a world class gymnast.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I just said, you know, if you pull a hammy
and you can't finish, you know it's you go on
the exactly. That's all I was saying.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
And I got all these people are so so so
there's a little little history here, a little history here,
and I got actually got I got tagged by a
few national media figures on that one. But anyway, update
everybody on the latest here because she said, as I said,
along too. Look I saw this from Afar Riley gains
to say, Riley Gaines looks like a man. Every guy
in our audience is like nah, sorry, and every gal
(08:08):
I think, but.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I just you know, every guy's like, no, it doesn't
look like a man. Nice dry.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
It was a tough argument out of nowhere though. For
those of you missed it. Riley was on yesterday talking
about this. Simone Biles just ripped her for saying and
all Riley had done that set precipitated this was Riley
shared a photo of a Minnesota high school softball championship
team and a boy was on the girls team, which
is absurd and way taller. And all she said was
(08:35):
they've turned the comments off so people on social media
couldn't react, and out of nowhere, Simone Biles decided to
tee off on her and then said you look like
a man, which again, I mean, Simone Biles has done
all these body positivity things. Riley is five. You know,
she measured herself like five five or five six. So now,
after multiple days of just getting attacked like crazy for
(09:00):
being on the wrong side of this issue, I want
to you haven't seen this. I want to read some
own Biles has some sort of strange pr apology up
and here's what she posted just a little bit ago.
I wanted to follow up from my last tweets. I've
always believed competitive equity. First of all, buck competitive equity.
(09:22):
Competitive equity is not a thing. Competitive equality is a thing.
The entire point of competition is to eliminate equity. We
don't want everybody to be the exact same, but I
always believe competitive equity and inclusivity are essential in sport.
The current system doesn't adequately balance these important principles, which
(09:45):
often leads to frustration and heated exchanges. And it didn't
help for me to get personal with Riley, which I
apologize for. These are sensitive, complicated issues that I truly
don't have the answers or solutions to, but I believe
it starts with empathy and respectful Well, this is written
for her by some PR crisis team one hundred percent.
(10:06):
We know that you and I have been in this
game long enough to know that, and she's still still going, Oh,
I'm I'm sorry, No, no, no, the PR team wrote this
ridiculous statement. I was not advocating for policies that compromise
fairness in women's sports. My objection is to singling out
children for public scrutiny in ways that feel personal and harmful.
(10:26):
Individual athletes, especially kids, should never be the focus of
criticism of a flawed system they have.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
No control over.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I believe sports organizations have a responsibility to come up
with rules supporting inclusion while maintaining fair competition, which is
actually impossible. We all want a future for sport that
is fair, inclusive, and respectful. Hugs and kisses, Simone.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, okay, so that was written by a PR team,
But she realizes there are a few things here. First
of all, her position, first and foremost, her position is
not just on her real position. I don't mean the
PR thing, the thing that she said about Riley. Her
position on men and women's sports is irrational and indefensible.
And then to add on top of that, to go
(11:09):
after a honestly anyone's appearance based on a political issue
like this, you've always really lost just to start off with,
I mean to do the like you look like a
man thing. Fortunately Riley, you know, would have to get
into this, but no one thinks Riley looks like a man.
I mean, she's a very very lovely woman in very
good physical condition. And I just think that she realized
(11:31):
that she did real brand damage here on top of
the political issue. You don't attack somebody's appearance, especially somebody
who's really good looking, like that's just insane.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I think she lit herself on fire here, and it
took three four days for her to put out this
mealy mouthed, jumbly, not particularly well. Even with all of
the PR dollars that she's spending, that was just a
jumble of nothing. And when you just type out what
somebody tells you to say, I would have more respect
(12:02):
for even though I would disagree with her completely, if
she just said I said what I said, I'm right.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Now, Yeah, you own it. At least I know I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Agree with the Clay Travis speesher right. Then I'm doubling down.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I'm tripling I'm not saying that I'm not gonna say
at some point in my career something that I didn't
intend to say, but in twenty years it's never happened,
So you should apologize. I've been married twenty years. Look,
you should apologize if you do things that you don't
intend to do and that that that are are not
reflective of your intentionality.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
But that's not this.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Also, she could have written she she could have just
written out and said, you know, and we would know
it was from her, meaning she actually did the writing.
Someone Biles could could write out on her Twitter or
Instagram or whatever this is.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
And Riley, that was that was wrong.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
You know, you're a beautiful young woman and a talented athlete,
and I'm sorry that I would.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I'm sorry that I would cross the line.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
It's a heated political issue and I just want to
have respect for all people or whatever, something where she
doesn't even have to get too deep into the politics
of it, but something that's a little bit heartfelt. This
is my PR team came in and cleaned up my mess,
which to me is once again inauthentic, Like I just
don't believe that she wrote this herself and clearly of course,
But so that's what So it's it's not an authentic
(13:17):
apology if it's an authentic apology.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
You write it yourself. You just say, look, I I
cross the line. My bad.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I wouldn't do that again, and you know, and you
could move on from there. But to me, this is.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Just I still wonder, Buck, what is the intent here.
She's not that active on social media, she's not that political.
Did someone pay her to attack Riley like this? It
doesn't make any sense to me that you would suddenly
decide based on a photo of a Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
She might have seen someone else that she respects and
likes or that wants the approval of. This is just
me surmising or analyzing this. And and she thought that
there was an opportunity here to score some points with
someone or some group that she wants the admiration of.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Because I agree with you, this is.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Not you know, they're they're like when when Keith Olbburn's
chirping at you, it's because he's.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Always chirping and everybody, right, I mean, that's his job, right,
That's what I'm saying. Disagree like most people I think
like someone Biles and now they don't.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah, I mean Keith Olberman has a constituency. Miserable, childless,
sixty five year old women that he represents, and that's
just the way it goes, and he looks more and
more every single day, like.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Five year old lesbian true story.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
A friend of mine just got back from a trip
with his family to Ireland. Do you know who he
bumped into on the street in Dublin? And he bumped
into Rosie O'Donnell on the street, And as a fellow American,
he's obviously conservative, he was just kind of like.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Wait, really, and he asked her, he said, how do
you like it here? She said she doesn't like it.
She's gonna come home. Of course she doesn't like it.
I mean America, the Irish don't like her. There may
be this would be a fun debate. If you're super wealthy,
as Rosie is. There are only a handful of countries
that would be actually better than the United States, even
for the self super wealthy. Ireland's not one. She lived
(15:02):
in La Weather's perfect. Yeah, you know, she's super rich.
I'm not surprised she Dore's a reason why people look
the way we do. You know, not a lot of sunshine,
a lot of booze, you know. So I'm just saying
the Irish, Yeah, you know, it's true. Don't send me
that stuff, you know it's true. Look, Father's Day is
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Speaker 1 (16:55):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. By the way,
we mentioned the Simone Vile's apology, Riley has accepted it,
and not surprisingly, Lassy Lady did so in a much
more eloquent fashion and in her own words, she said
she accepts the apology closes by saying women's sports can't
(17:16):
be used as an excuse for girls to center the
feelings in validation of men and boys. I welcome you
to the fight to support fair sports in a future
for female athletes. Little girls deserve the same shot to
achieve that you had. Boom and Riley guess what actually wrote?
What she tweeted as opposed to having a pr team
(17:38):
work for You know what it's interesting is actually gymnastics
I think is maybe the only sport where women get
better ratings than men in the same sport. It's a
good point, I mean, because people love to watch it.
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(18:50):
We're joined now by Miranda Devine. I think it's probably
fairnesas all. We got Carol Markowitz too. I was going
to give you the title of our favorite person at
the New York Post, but we really Carol Markle. It's
too so I don't want to offend anybody out there. Miranda,
you just had to sit down with President Trump in
the Oval Office. It is ricocheting about the internet now
(19:12):
and there are many different things. I know that he
told you what stood out to you the most about
the interview that you had with President Trump from a
news perspective.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Yeah, thanks so much. And Carol is great. She's a
maid of mine, So I'm glad you like us both.
Don Trump was just incredibly generous with his time and
also his candor. He is just so frank, you know
sometimes like when we talked about Camp David couldn't really
he said, I can't really talk about it. Then did
say that they'd been talking about, you know, obviously Iran
(19:45):
and Russia. He gave you know, a lot of insights
into his conversations with world leaders, his problems with Elon.
He's sort of open to reconciliation, but you know, not
right now. He's too busy. And also some of his
(20:07):
childhood experiences. You know, his father bundled him off to
military school at thirteen because he was so rambunctious, and
his father wasn't terribly thrilled when they got back some
aptitude test scores for doc.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
We might have just lost her there for a minute.
Sounded like she popped out. I hope that doesn't mean
that we've popped out. So I'm going to keep talking
until the team tells me whether or not we've popped out.
But Buck, this is Miranda Devine the podcast called air
Pod one and it is underway right now, and I
do think it speaks to a Podforce one Sorry is
(20:47):
the name of her podcast. She's back with us right now. Miranda,
you popped out right there. You were talking about Donald
Trump talking about his dad shipping him off to military school,
and that's where we lost you.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
What what did he talk about there?
Speaker 4 (21:02):
So, yeah, his dad just shipped him off to military
school at age thirteen because he was so rambunciously. He
wanted to get him straightened out a bit. And also
his parents sent him off to aptitude testing when he
was a young boy, and his father was not altogether
thrilled to find out that Donald Trump's genius is musical.
(21:22):
He is a musical genius. Apparently he can pick a
nose and remember it, you know, an hour later. So
he sort of laughed riley and said, well, you know,
that wasn't really a talent my father particularly wanted me
to have, but his mother got him too. After that,
Learn a musical instrument and you will never guess what
(21:43):
it was.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Well the audio already. Oh yeah, the memes are rolling
in because I have been attacking men who play, has.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Been attacking male flute players. He leave the ladies out
of this, but male flute players, he decides, Miranda.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
There's some questions. Clay's asking questions.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I asked them so many questions for some of our
flute playing audience.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
If you have a choice to play any instrument in
the world, and you picked the flute, you have chosen
very poorly, and I think that you cannot be trusted
for anything serious. Now, Trump said he might have had
a great flute playing future, but instead he gave that
up and became a multi billionaire developer.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I give him credit for abandoning the.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Flute and pters of it. Well, he said he didn't
like it. So his mother had sensed all these instructors
to the house to get him taught to play the flute.
But he did not want to play the flute, so
that didn't last for very long. And I mean, it's
just amusing. Of all the instruments, I can't think of
one that's less appropriate for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
By the way, he and Lizzo could have been out
there playing the was it the James Madison Trump He
could have single handedly rehabilitated the whole flute image among
the orchestral instrument and would wind community.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
So there's a little bit of a loss for us, Miranda,
because I think that Trump could have you know, he
could have made flutes great again, and instead he decided
to become president and try to save the free world.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
How is it?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
You know, this is one of these things where Trump
talks I think to enough people, and you know, we
hear how he feels on a lot of these policy
things enough that we're pretty up to date, pretty in.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Tune, if you will, with what his thinking is on
a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
But in terms of his poise, the sense that this
time around he learned a lot the first time. I mean,
just take us into his mindset a little bit from
sitting down with him, and and what you felt like
you were gathering from this guy who still has the
weight of the world on his shoulders but always seems calm,
cool and collected, except when he's a little angry.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
But you know, for the most part.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Yeah, he is. And it's set confidence and sort of
New York swagger that he's just had. He's really as
far as back as he can remember, he says, it's
just he does. You know. I said, you sort of
act against the grain quite often, and he says, well,
you know, I've got the hat that says Trump was
always right, But he says, I just it's I don't
feel that I'm a rebel. I just have an innate
(24:09):
sense of what's the right thing to do, and I
do it, and I don't really care what other people say.
And he said, for instance, he pointed to the La riots,
and and you know, last time, he sort of regretted
in twenty twenty that he wasn't as forceful, but he said,
at the time, well, I just thought, really I would
leave it to the governors to make those decisions. But
(24:32):
obviously the Blue states, the blue governors did not do that.
Whether it was because they thought that they, you know,
it would be a great way of beating Donald Trump
at the polls later that year, which I guess worked.
But this time around, he said, this is a much
more consequential presidency. He feels it because, well, in part,
(24:53):
he said, because he's got.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Did we lose her again? I think we lost again.
Go I'm back back.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Yeah, I'm very sorry about that my stupid phone. And yeah,
he just feels like you've got a better team. More
more like he said that I had some stars last time,
but I also had some losers, and yes, category we did.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And it's important that he recognized that.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I think, Mirana and one of the challenges early on
was Trump was this political phenomen talking about term one,
you know, first first administration. He's this political phenomenon. But
a lot of us who were who voted for Trump
in twenty sixteen, who were excited about it, some of
the people that were in charge, whether it was the
mooch or some of the others that got into that administration,
we all knew right away, well, this is.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Not a good. You know, this is not a good idea.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Uh and Trump realized that, and this time around, I
look at the team that he's picked, and I think
there was It's not just that we think it's good.
The results, the speed, the efficiency with which they're moving
on the agenda is there. You know, at this stage
at least they still have a lot to do.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
But that is the result of somebody, or those are
the actions of somebody who I think clearly learned a
lot on the job the first time around and came
ready to play day one this time.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yes, And he said that, He in fact said, you know,
having that four years in between, I mean, he could
not have been more negative about Joe Biden and how
he destroyed the country. But he said, people saw how
bad it was, and you know, he'd fix the border,
but he got no credit for it. But this time
he's absolutely determined to undo the damage, and he's confident
(26:28):
that he will be able to do it. He's very
bullish on the economy and his big beautiful bill. He says, well,
he says only phase one. He's got other things to do,
and he reckons that the economic boost that it will
give us will pay for they'll be able to start
paying down the debt, so you know, and that was
(26:50):
sort of ripoff to Elon, and he's just very bullish
and confident. The only thing I did pick up was,
you know, he's he's disappointed about Iran. He said he
really thought they were going to get the deal done,
but just the last few days he's realized. He said,
they've changed. And I asked, what do you mean they've changed,
(27:11):
And he wouldn't really be drawn on that, but he
just said he felt that they wanted to do a
deal before. Now he's not so sure. But either way,
he said, they're not getting a nuclear bomb. They are not.
That's not happening. And you know, it can either happen
the nice way or he really doesn't want people to die,
(27:31):
but they're not getting the nuclear bomb.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Where does this go in your mind? The Elon Trump
relationship a lot of drama Trump. Elon apologized to Trump
publicly last night, it seems, and I bet you felt
kind of the same way that Trump has been somewhat
restrained in his response to Elon. And there's reports out
there that he basically considers Elon to be fifty percent genius,
(27:58):
fifty percent boy kid, And I do think there's some
truth to that as well. How would you assess where
this goes from here?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Yeah, you're absolutely spot on. I mean, he does you know.
I think I got the impression when they were still
in good company together that Trump was fascinated by him
because of his success and I guess his brilliance, and
so he was sort of watching him and looking at
him and engaged in conversation with him, but listening very intently,
(28:28):
almost like you look at an insect onto the glass.
You know. It's not in a mean way, in a
nice way. I mean, he's quite paternal with him. I
felt Elon Musk treated Donald Trump as a father figure,
which is really why it's so sad that it's all
blown up. Look, I asked Donald Trump a few times
about Elon, and he said, Look, I don't bear any
(28:50):
ill will towards him. But I am just too busy
fixing the world. I'm not thinking about him. And you know,
I believe, you know, el may have tried to reach
out a couple of times, or you know, I don't
know a bit, not that Donald Trump told me that,
but I heard that somewhere else, and we and I
(29:11):
think that he's just letting him cool off. And I
don't know that Donald Trump will ever be able to
have that same very close relationship because Elon, even though
he's apologized, he kind of broke something.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, there are things you can't say.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I think we all just know this from our own lives,
whether it's to your spouse or to a colleague or
a close friend.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
There are lines, and he.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Definitely crossed some lines that are that I don't think
we'll be able to be undone. But I also think
that they'll collaborate as needed in the future, but from
a more shall we say, professional distance and less of
almost like adopted son status, which is what Elon.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
It felt like Elon was getting there for a while.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Yes, And I mean Elon's own father was so disastrous
for him. I think that's a need that he had,
And you know, it was a real bromance. I mean,
he was sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom. He really admired
Donald Trump enormously and it was almost a childlike from
my observation, and certainly I think that's the way Donald
Trump felt. But you know, you just can't go back.
(30:17):
And maybe it's a lesson that Elon will have. But look,
Donald Trump is showing that he's not going to be
nasty to Elon, and he really could have. Normally he
strikes back quite unkindly, but he also is quite a
sensitive man. I think he has insight into other people's feelings,
and I think he knew that Elon was sort of
(30:38):
in a bit of a manic phase and would regret
what he'd said, which obviously he has because he's tweeted
poor thing. I mean, you wouldn't want to be Elon.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Well, people can go listen to the full interview of
Pod Force.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
One correct, Pod Force one, Yes.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Podforce one with Miranda Devine. Go check it out where
we get your podcast. Miranda always great work, Thanks for
hanging out with us.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Thank you so much for having me.
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Speaker 2 (33:08):
No surprise here a lot of you weighing in on
Clay's idea that he could beat a w NBA player. Uh,
and people are fired up about this. Clay, I've got
to say.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I could beat a big woman, and I'm not insulting
a big women by saying that he means tall. Yes,
not like Burley, not like obese, although I do think
fat women would have a tough time with dig is
the preferred like a four or a five, a power
forward or a sinner. A big woman meaning tall. I
(33:41):
think that they can't handle the ball and I can't shoot.
I would beat Angel Reese one on one. I offered
one hundred thousand dollars and a head to head matchup.
That's more than she makes to play a whole year
in the w NBA, and she blocked me on to.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
We have we had not in real life for half
the dose of sanity. Here from CC a podcast listener
named Charles. You wanted to weigh in on this idea, play.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
It play buck love the show, but Clay, you can
not be angel I would love to see that though.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
I think I honestly would love it, Like I'll throw
money into this pot too. I'm excited about this idea.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I think if I trained, I would smoker my eighth
grade son his basketball team. They offered to put me through.
This would be a good documentary. They were gonna put
me through training. H they're pretty good. I think they
got some future d one. What are your let's tall?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
It?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
So so my moves back in the day. I like
to go to the hoop. Yeah I was a shooter,
but I like to go to the hoop. I was
a big double pump layup guy. That was my favorite.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
So you had an old man white man.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Oh yeah, we're young. I was big into boxing out.
You know I do that boxing out. The coach would
always be excited if you did that. Uh, but what
was your coach? Are you a skyhook guy, since I would.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I would, so, first of all, I'm forty six now,
so my biggest concern about it one on one matchup.
And I'm just talking about half blowing out your ACL
probably oh yeah, or a bad sprained ankle and not
being able to finish the game. I don't think Angel
Reese makes about thirty five percent of her shots, and
I understand some of those are contested. She's not shooting
(35:17):
more than five feet away from the basket. I don't
think she could make contested shots against me. Now, I
am concerned for the point guards or the shooting guards
who can handle the basketball. I think they could get
to the basket and make step back shots on me.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I don't think Angel Reese could score on me. That's
way to get the old man hip check. You know
what I mean. You got to throw that weight around
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I mean Angel Reese is six'. THREE i am six.
FOOT i bet we probably jump about the same. Height
it's like she's gonna dunk on. ME i THINK i
could box her. OUT i Think i'm a better outside
shooter Than Angel. Reese and IF i got video of
you popping the, game IF i can see if you
actually can. Shoot IF i got to play with the
(36:01):
girl sized, basketball which is, SMALLER i could pault that
thing Like I'm shaquille. O'Neal i would make a lot
of outside. Shots if it's like A papa. Shot remember
When Ted cruz Played Jimmy. Kimmel i'll tell YOU i
would Smoke Jimmy kimmel in one on.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
One do you think you could Beat Jimmy kimmel in
one on?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
One?
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yes, okay, now all, right all, right, YEAH i THINK
i THINK i would beat. You next question is you Versus.
TED i THINK i THINK i would Beat Ted. Cruz
did you hear That Senator cruz Paging Senator cruz
Third hour of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Thanks for being here with us, everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Clay and I in Washington, d C, our nation's capital,
but you're always with us when we're on the air
and off the air. Clay, I was getting a salad
yesterday right from the airport, you know, trying to stay healthy,
trying to be beach ready over here to there that
I can. You know, Clay and I are trying to
be trying to be fit radio hosts, which puts us
into a certainly by the way, in oxymoron.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You know, usually radio hosts, we like our bacon cheeseburgers.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
But I was in there and within a few minutes
of setting foot in DC, some of our wonderful listeners
came up to me and they said they loved the
show and they were visiting here. They were not swamp natives,
but they were visiting our nation's capital. So it's great
to be here with all of you. As you know,
we've got a whole bunch of meetings lined up with
the people calling the shots here. Some at their request,
(00:51):
they said they want to spend.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Some time with us.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
So we're here doing our DC tour, so we can
touch base with everybody from the President on doubt who
is running thing. And also over the weekend, Clay, you know,
we've talked a little bit here about how it would
be fun to get you and Laura.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We all know.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Laura's going to be a fantastic shot if she isn't
already do a range day. So my brother Mason and
I completed the NRA Pistol Instructor Certification course over the weekend.
Had to call, had to actually go through a bunch
of a bunch of range qualifications in order to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
But we came through.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
W are wondering, it's fifteen yards steel sites, twenty shots.
I know a lot of you are instructors, and I
know a lot of you are instructors, you know, black
belt with three stripes on and all that. But for
those who aren't instructors, it was fifteen yards iron sites.
That wasn't a requirement, but our guy wanted us to
make sure we were dialed in, so it was fifteen
(01:48):
yards iron sites. At least I think it was sixteen
or seventeen out of twenty in that six inch target.
So yeah, so Clay, we can set up a range
day for you. Now'd be absolutely fantastic. NRA certified and
ready to rock and roll big timers. Yeah, that would
be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Because my wife is pretty fired up about the need
for firearms training.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So I mentioned this on Mother's Day.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
She had the kids and me out on the range
getting trained in firearms.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I know, I loved it. I saw the photos, I
saw the.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Video of it was I don't know how many people
wanted to spend their Mother's Day that way.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
My wife was that was brilliant. I was so pleased
to see it. I'll just tell you though. It was fun.
During there were about twenty people in this class. We
had an excellent instructor down in South Florida. But we
had about twenty people in the class, and I'd say
about half of them. It was only two days, right,
it was Saturday and Sunday all day. But at the
end they all came up like, hey man, love the show.
So we had a lot of I was like, I
(02:46):
think we're in a pistol class in South Florida with
NRA members, and these are people that shoot a lot,
a lot of law enforcement, a lot of a lot
of people who the guns are something that they're caring
for part of their job. Who were in the class,
and we got a lot of Clay and Buck people
in there. So it was unsurprised.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I was like, I think we're with our people here.
I looked around and was like, oh, we are with
our people. I think there's also I mean, this is
not going to surprise. We were up here for inauguration Day.
But I do think that there are a lot of
people that the Trump team has brought into d C.
Even though DC is ninety two percent or whatever it
is of a Democrat stronghold. You know, I lived here
(03:23):
during a Republican administration, and I lived here for during
at least part of a Democratic So I was here
for the Bush years. Oh, basically second Bush term. I
lived the whole second Bush term. I lived in DC
more or less, and the first two.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Years of Obama, I think I was here.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
And then when you have that transition from one party
to the other, it feels like a very different town
just based on who's here and the vibe.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I was a kid, so it was less noticeable to me,
meaning I was in college, but I came in at
the very end of the Clintons and then the George W.
Bush era and then left right before nine to eleven,
which obviously changed things tremendously for the worst in so
many different ways. I mean, one of the reasons we're
up here now is obviously to get as many Senators
in as possible. You heard from Ron Johnson yesterday. We
(04:13):
had Tommy Tuberville and Marsha Blackburn in here. We want
to talk to as many newsmakers as we can in person.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
A lot more.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
We're going to have Marco Rubio in studio with us
on Thursday for a couple of segments, which I think
you guys will really enjoy. Secretary of State will dive
into some of those Ukraine questions that so many of
you have, and also what's going on in the Middle
East with Iran. A lot of different things we can
talk about with Marco Rubio. But my seventeen year old
(04:42):
and his friend. I'm in charge of him, and I
was telling you yesterday we were in Georgetown, I'm so
thankful that I've got a seventeen year old boy, because
if I had a seventeen year old daughter, there's no
way she's going to be I said, hey, guys, just
make sure he and his friend, Hey, make sure you're
back by dark and you guys can around you be
in Georgetown.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I'm gonna be honest with you, Buck.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
If I had a seventeen year old daughter, there's no
way on the planet I would be letting her run
around in Washington, d C. I would be nervous about
her because because you have obviously you know I have
this with my wife. Yeah, where you have the location
finder on your phone. Yeah, my wife, Kerry knows where
I am at all times. She knows where she where,
(05:24):
you know, and vice versa. But I know you have
that with your boys. Yeah, of course, you know immediate family.
But if you had a seventeen year old daughter, what
do you think she had to carry a GoPro around,
you know, kind of like a like a cop, Like
she has to wear a body cam just to make
sure everything is on the up and up. I was
glancing down just to make sure, you know, like, hey,
where are they when we were having drinks, and and
(05:47):
that's when I was like, I mean, if I had
a seventeen year old daughter, there's no way on the
planet I would be like, hey, just go wonder around
and you and your teenage girlfriend. Just go wonder around
in Georgetown, have as much fun as you want. Just
make sure you're back by dark. No, Dad, they would,
they would, Unfortunately for them, they would have to do
every meal with dad and uh And I'm not as
much worried about the boys running around. Maybe that's a
(06:08):
poor decision by me on parenting, but who's the disciplinary
interview And my wife is way tougher than I am.
That's probably not gonna surprise you. But but I actually
I think I think Carrie is gonna be for young James.
I think Carrie's gonna I'm gonna be visiting every buddy.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
You don't want me to turn this over to your mom, right,
I think Carrie's gonna be the law and order in
our house.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
She's pretty tough on him sometimes, kind.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Of funny, we both are in that position. I'm gonna
be the one that's like, you know, stuff happens.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
It's I already feel a little bit sorry for the
girlfriends of these, uh, these boys, because I don't think
that my boys that I don't think she's gonna go
too easy on them. So anyway, I give thanks every
single day that I've got three boys instead of three girls.
And I was thinking about that yesterday as as we
were rolling through enjoying.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Let's dive and you know this one better than me.
I saw some of it over the weekend. I know
you talked to Riley Gaines yesterday. Some updates to this.
The Simone Biles, who I remember, I got all that
things you got, I mean, Crush might be a little strung.
There were some there were some sour leftists out there
saying some mean.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Things because you said on the show that you have
gotten ripped for harder than by like national media figures.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Very few like your tape.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I'm sitting here, I am like to port them by
the millions, and no problem. Hey, I don't think we
need to celebrate Simone Biles stepping away from her team
during the Olympics.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I didn't say that.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I wasn't like, oh, she's a coward, you know whatever,
and she's an incredible shape and I'm not, and she's
a world class gymnast.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I just said, you know, if you pull a hammy
and you can't finish, you know it's you go on
the exactly. That's all I was saying.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
And I got all these people are so so so
there's a little little history here, a little history here,
and I got actually got I got tagged by a
few national media figures on that one. But anyway, update
everybody on the latest here because she said, as I said,
along too. Look I saw this from Afar Riley gains
to say, Riley Gaines looks like a man. Every guy
in our audience is like nah, sorry, and every gal
(08:08):
I think, but.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I just you know, every guy's like, no, it doesn't
look like a man. Nice dry.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
It was a tough argument out of nowhere though. For
those of you missed it. Riley was on yesterday talking
about this. Simone Biles just ripped her for saying and
all Riley had done that set precipitated this was Riley
shared a photo of a Minnesota high school softball championship
team and a boy was on the girls team, which
is absurd and way taller. And all she said was
(08:35):
they've turned the comments off so people on social media
couldn't react, and out of nowhere, Simone Biles decided to
tee off on her and then said you look like
a man, which again, I mean, Simone Biles has done
all these body positivity things. Riley is five. You know,
she measured herself like five five or five six. So now,
after multiple days of just getting attacked like crazy for
(09:00):
being on the wrong side of this issue, I want
to you haven't seen this. I want to read some
own Biles has some sort of strange pr apology up
and here's what she posted just a little bit ago.
I wanted to follow up from my last tweets. I've
always believed competitive equity. First of all, buck competitive equity.
(09:22):
Competitive equity is not a thing. Competitive equality is a thing.
The entire point of competition is to eliminate equity. We
don't want everybody to be the exact same, but I
always believe competitive equity and inclusivity are essential in sport.
The current system doesn't adequately balance these important principles, which
(09:45):
often leads to frustration and heated exchanges. And it didn't
help for me to get personal with Riley, which I
apologize for. These are sensitive, complicated issues that I truly
don't have the answers or solutions to, but I believe
it starts with empathy and respectful Well, this is written
for her by some PR crisis team one hundred percent.
(10:06):
We know that you and I have been in this
game long enough to know that, and she's still still going, Oh,
I'm I'm sorry, No, no, no, the PR team wrote this
ridiculous statement. I was not advocating for policies that compromise
fairness in women's sports. My objection is to singling out
children for public scrutiny in ways that feel personal and harmful.
(10:26):
Individual athletes, especially kids, should never be the focus of
criticism of a flawed system they have.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
No control over.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I believe sports organizations have a responsibility to come up
with rules supporting inclusion while maintaining fair competition, which is
actually impossible. We all want a future for sport that
is fair, inclusive, and respectful. Hugs and kisses, Simone.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, okay, so that was written by a PR team,
But she realizes there are a few things here. First
of all, her position, first and foremost, her position is
not just on her real position. I don't mean the
PR thing, the thing that she said about Riley. Her
position on men and women's sports is irrational and indefensible.
And then to add on top of that, to go
(11:09):
after a honestly anyone's appearance based on a political issue
like this, you've always really lost just to start off with,
I mean to do the like you look like a
man thing. Fortunately Riley, you know, would have to get
into this, but no one thinks Riley looks like a man.
I mean, she's a very very lovely woman in very
good physical condition. And I just think that she realized
(11:31):
that she did real brand damage here on top of
the political issue. You don't attack somebody's appearance, especially somebody
who's really good looking, like that's just insane.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I think she lit herself on fire here, and it
took three four days for her to put out this
mealy mouthed, jumbly, not particularly well. Even with all of
the PR dollars that she's spending, that was just a
jumble of nothing. And when you just type out what
somebody tells you to say, I would have more respect
(12:02):
for even though I would disagree with her completely, if
she just said I said what I said, I'm right.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Now, Yeah, you own it. At least I know I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Agree with the Clay Travis speesher right. Then I'm doubling down.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I'm tripling I'm not saying that I'm not gonna say
at some point in my career something that I didn't
intend to say, but in twenty years it's never happened,
So you should apologize. I've been married twenty years. Look,
you should apologize if you do things that you don't
intend to do and that that that are are not
reflective of your intentionality.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
But that's not this.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Also, she could have written she she could have just
written out and said, you know, and we would know
it was from her, meaning she actually did the writing.
Someone Biles could could write out on her Twitter or
Instagram or whatever this is.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
And Riley, that was that was wrong.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
You know, you're a beautiful young woman and a talented athlete,
and I'm sorry that I would.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I'm sorry that I would cross the line.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
It's a heated political issue and I just want to
have respect for all people or whatever, something where she
doesn't even have to get too deep into the politics
of it, but something that's a little bit heartfelt. This
is my PR team came in and cleaned up my mess,
which to me is once again inauthentic, Like I just
don't believe that she wrote this herself and clearly of course,
But so that's what So it's it's not an authentic
(13:17):
apology if it's an authentic apology.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
You write it yourself. You just say, look, I I
cross the line. My bad.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I wouldn't do that again, and you know, and you
could move on from there. But to me, this is.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Just I still wonder, Buck, what is the intent here.
She's not that active on social media, she's not that political.
Did someone pay her to attack Riley like this? It
doesn't make any sense to me that you would suddenly
decide based on a photo of a Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
She might have seen someone else that she respects and
likes or that wants the approval of. This is just
me surmising or analyzing this. And and she thought that
there was an opportunity here to score some points with
someone or some group that she wants the admiration of.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Because I agree with you, this is.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Not you know, they're they're like when when Keith Olbburn's
chirping at you, it's because he's.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Always chirping and everybody, right, I mean, that's his job, right,
That's what I'm saying. Disagree like most people I think
like someone Biles and now they don't.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah, I mean Keith Olberman has a constituency. Miserable, childless,
sixty five year old women that he represents, and that's
just the way it goes, and he looks more and
more every single day, like.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Five year old lesbian true story.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
A friend of mine just got back from a trip
with his family to Ireland. Do you know who he
bumped into on the street in Dublin? And he bumped
into Rosie O'Donnell on the street, And as a fellow American,
he's obviously conservative, he was just kind of like.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Wait, really, and he asked her, he said, how do
you like it here? She said she doesn't like it.
She's gonna come home. Of course she doesn't like it.
I mean America, the Irish don't like her. There may
be this would be a fun debate. If you're super wealthy,
as Rosie is. There are only a handful of countries
that would be actually better than the United States, even
for the self super wealthy. Ireland's not one. She lived
(15:02):
in La Weather's perfect. Yeah, you know, she's super rich.
I'm not surprised she Dore's a reason why people look
the way we do. You know, not a lot of sunshine,
a lot of booze, you know. So I'm just saying
the Irish, Yeah, you know, it's true. Don't send me
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. By the way,
we mentioned the Simone Vile's apology, Riley has accepted it,
and not surprisingly, Lassy Lady did so in a much
more eloquent fashion and in her own words, she said
she accepts the apology closes by saying women's sports can't
(17:16):
be used as an excuse for girls to center the
feelings in validation of men and boys. I welcome you
to the fight to support fair sports in a future
for female athletes. Little girls deserve the same shot to
achieve that you had. Boom and Riley guess what actually wrote?
What she tweeted as opposed to having a pr team
(17:38):
work for You know what it's interesting is actually gymnastics
I think is maybe the only sport where women get
better ratings than men in the same sport. It's a
good point, I mean, because people love to watch it.
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(18:50):
We're joined now by Miranda Devine. I think it's probably
fairnesas all. We got Carol Markowitz too. I was going
to give you the title of our favorite person at
the New York Post, but we really Carol Markle. It's
too so I don't want to offend anybody out there. Miranda,
you just had to sit down with President Trump in
the Oval Office. It is ricocheting about the internet now
(19:12):
and there are many different things. I know that he
told you what stood out to you the most about
the interview that you had with President Trump from a
news perspective.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Yeah, thanks so much. And Carol is great. She's a
maid of mine, So I'm glad you like us both.
Don Trump was just incredibly generous with his time and
also his candor. He is just so frank, you know
sometimes like when we talked about Camp David couldn't really
he said, I can't really talk about it. Then did
say that they'd been talking about, you know, obviously Iran
(19:45):
and Russia. He gave you know, a lot of insights
into his conversations with world leaders, his problems with Elon.
He's sort of open to reconciliation, but you know, not
right now. He's too busy. And also some of his
(20:07):
childhood experiences. You know, his father bundled him off to
military school at thirteen because he was so rambunctious, and
his father wasn't terribly thrilled when they got back some
aptitude test scores for doc.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
We might have just lost her there for a minute.
Sounded like she popped out. I hope that doesn't mean
that we've popped out. So I'm going to keep talking
until the team tells me whether or not we've popped out.
But Buck, this is Miranda Devine the podcast called air
Pod one and it is underway right now, and I
do think it speaks to a Podforce one Sorry is
(20:47):
the name of her podcast. She's back with us right now. Miranda,
you popped out right there. You were talking about Donald
Trump talking about his dad shipping him off to military school,
and that's where we lost you.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
What what did he talk about there?
Speaker 4 (21:02):
So, yeah, his dad just shipped him off to military
school at age thirteen because he was so rambunciously. He
wanted to get him straightened out a bit. And also
his parents sent him off to aptitude testing when he
was a young boy, and his father was not altogether
thrilled to find out that Donald Trump's genius is musical.
(21:22):
He is a musical genius. Apparently he can pick a
nose and remember it, you know, an hour later. So
he sort of laughed riley and said, well, you know,
that wasn't really a talent my father particularly wanted me
to have, but his mother got him too. After that,
Learn a musical instrument and you will never guess what
(21:43):
it was.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Well the audio already. Oh yeah, the memes are rolling
in because I have been attacking men who play, has.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Been attacking male flute players. He leave the ladies out
of this, but male flute players, he decides, Miranda.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
There's some questions. Clay's asking questions.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I asked them so many questions for some of our
flute playing audience.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
If you have a choice to play any instrument in
the world, and you picked the flute, you have chosen
very poorly, and I think that you cannot be trusted
for anything serious. Now, Trump said he might have had
a great flute playing future, but instead he gave that
up and became a multi billionaire developer.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I give him credit for abandoning the.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Flute and pters of it. Well, he said he didn't
like it. So his mother had sensed all these instructors
to the house to get him taught to play the flute.
But he did not want to play the flute, so
that didn't last for very long. And I mean, it's
just amusing. Of all the instruments, I can't think of
one that's less appropriate for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
By the way, he and Lizzo could have been out
there playing the was it the James Madison Trump He
could have single handedly rehabilitated the whole flute image among
the orchestral instrument and would wind community.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
So there's a little bit of a loss for us, Miranda,
because I think that Trump could have you know, he
could have made flutes great again, and instead he decided
to become president and try to save the free world.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
How is it?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
You know, this is one of these things where Trump
talks I think to enough people, and you know, we
hear how he feels on a lot of these policy
things enough that we're pretty up to date, pretty in.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Tune, if you will, with what his thinking is on
a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
But in terms of his poise, the sense that this
time around he learned a lot the first time. I mean,
just take us into his mindset a little bit from
sitting down with him, and and what you felt like
you were gathering from this guy who still has the
weight of the world on his shoulders but always seems calm,
cool and collected, except when he's a little angry.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
But you know, for the most part.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Yeah, he is. And it's set confidence and sort of
New York swagger that he's just had. He's really as
far as back as he can remember, he says, it's
just he does. You know. I said, you sort of
act against the grain quite often, and he says, well,
you know, I've got the hat that says Trump was
always right, But he says, I just it's I don't
feel that I'm a rebel. I just have an innate
(24:09):
sense of what's the right thing to do, and I
do it, and I don't really care what other people say.
And he said, for instance, he pointed to the La riots,
and and you know, last time, he sort of regretted
in twenty twenty that he wasn't as forceful, but he said,
at the time, well, I just thought, really I would
leave it to the governors to make those decisions. But
(24:32):
obviously the Blue states, the blue governors did not do that.
Whether it was because they thought that they, you know,
it would be a great way of beating Donald Trump
at the polls later that year, which I guess worked.
But this time around, he said, this is a much
more consequential presidency. He feels it because, well, in part,
(24:53):
he said, because he's got.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Did we lose her again? I think we lost again.
Go I'm back back.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Yeah, I'm very sorry about that my stupid phone. And yeah,
he just feels like you've got a better team. More
more like he said that I had some stars last time,
but I also had some losers, and yes, category we did.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And it's important that he recognized that.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I think, Mirana and one of the challenges early on
was Trump was this political phenomen talking about term one,
you know, first first administration. He's this political phenomenon. But
a lot of us who were who voted for Trump
in twenty sixteen, who were excited about it, some of
the people that were in charge, whether it was the
mooch or some of the others that got into that administration,
we all knew right away, well, this is.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Not a good. You know, this is not a good idea.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Uh and Trump realized that, and this time around, I
look at the team that he's picked, and I think
there was It's not just that we think it's good.
The results, the speed, the efficiency with which they're moving
on the agenda is there. You know, at this stage
at least they still have a lot to do.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
But that is the result of somebody, or those are
the actions of somebody who I think clearly learned a
lot on the job the first time around and came
ready to play day one this time.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yes, And he said that, He in fact said, you know,
having that four years in between, I mean, he could
not have been more negative about Joe Biden and how
he destroyed the country. But he said, people saw how
bad it was, and you know, he'd fix the border,
but he got no credit for it. But this time
he's absolutely determined to undo the damage, and he's confident
(26:28):
that he will be able to do it. He's very
bullish on the economy and his big beautiful bill. He says, well,
he says only phase one. He's got other things to do,
and he reckons that the economic boost that it will
give us will pay for they'll be able to start
paying down the debt, so you know, and that was
(26:50):
sort of ripoff to Elon, and he's just very bullish
and confident. The only thing I did pick up was,
you know, he's he's disappointed about Iran. He said he
really thought they were going to get the deal done,
but just the last few days he's realized. He said,
they've changed. And I asked, what do you mean they've changed,
(27:11):
And he wouldn't really be drawn on that, but he
just said he felt that they wanted to do a
deal before. Now he's not so sure. But either way,
he said, they're not getting a nuclear bomb. They are not.
That's not happening. And you know, it can either happen
the nice way or he really doesn't want people to die,
(27:31):
but they're not getting the nuclear bomb.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Where does this go in your mind? The Elon Trump
relationship a lot of drama Trump. Elon apologized to Trump
publicly last night, it seems, and I bet you felt
kind of the same way that Trump has been somewhat
restrained in his response to Elon. And there's reports out
there that he basically considers Elon to be fifty percent genius,
(27:58):
fifty percent boy kid, And I do think there's some
truth to that as well. How would you assess where
this goes from here?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Yeah, you're absolutely spot on. I mean, he does you know.
I think I got the impression when they were still
in good company together that Trump was fascinated by him
because of his success and I guess his brilliance, and
so he was sort of watching him and looking at
him and engaged in conversation with him, but listening very intently,
(28:28):
almost like you look at an insect onto the glass.
You know. It's not in a mean way, in a
nice way. I mean, he's quite paternal with him. I
felt Elon Musk treated Donald Trump as a father figure,
which is really why it's so sad that it's all
blown up. Look, I asked Donald Trump a few times
about Elon, and he said, Look, I don't bear any
(28:50):
ill will towards him. But I am just too busy
fixing the world. I'm not thinking about him. And you know,
I believe, you know, el may have tried to reach
out a couple of times, or you know, I don't
know a bit, not that Donald Trump told me that,
but I heard that somewhere else, and we and I
(29:11):
think that he's just letting him cool off. And I
don't know that Donald Trump will ever be able to
have that same very close relationship because Elon, even though
he's apologized, he kind of broke something.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, there are things you can't say.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I think we all just know this from our own lives,
whether it's to your spouse or to a colleague or
a close friend.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
There are lines, and he.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Definitely crossed some lines that are that I don't think
we'll be able to be undone. But I also think
that they'll collaborate as needed in the future, but from
a more shall we say, professional distance and less of
almost like adopted son status, which is what Elon.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
It felt like Elon was getting there for a while.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Yes, And I mean Elon's own father was so disastrous
for him. I think that's a need that he had,
And you know, it was a real bromance. I mean,
he was sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom. He really admired
Donald Trump enormously and it was almost a childlike from
my observation, and certainly I think that's the way Donald
Trump felt. But you know, you just can't go back.
(30:17):
And maybe it's a lesson that Elon will have. But look,
Donald Trump is showing that he's not going to be
nasty to Elon, and he really could have. Normally he
strikes back quite unkindly, but he also is quite a
sensitive man. I think he has insight into other people's feelings,
and I think he knew that Elon was sort of
(30:38):
in a bit of a manic phase and would regret
what he'd said, which obviously he has because he's tweeted
poor thing. I mean, you wouldn't want to be Elon.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Well, people can go listen to the full interview of
Pod Force.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
One correct, Pod Force one, Yes.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Podforce one with Miranda Devine. Go check it out where
we get your podcast. Miranda always great work, Thanks for
hanging out with us.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
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No surprise here a lot of you weighing in on
Clay's idea that he could beat a w NBA player. Uh,
and people are fired up about this. Clay, I've got
to say.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I could beat a big woman, and I'm not insulting
a big women by saying that he means tall. Yes,
not like Burley, not like obese, although I do think
fat women would have a tough time with dig is
the preferred like a four or a five, a power
forward or a sinner. A big woman meaning tall. I
(33:41):
think that they can't handle the ball and I can't shoot.
I would beat Angel Reese one on one. I offered
one hundred thousand dollars and a head to head matchup.
That's more than she makes to play a whole year
in the w NBA, and she blocked me on to.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
We have we had not in real life for half
the dose of sanity. Here from CC a podcast listener
named Charles. You wanted to weigh in on this idea, play.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
It play buck love the show, but Clay, you can
not be angel I would love to see that though.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
I think I honestly would love it, Like I'll throw
money into this pot too. I'm excited about this idea.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I think if I trained, I would smoker my eighth
grade son his basketball team. They offered to put me through.
This would be a good documentary. They were gonna put
me through training. H they're pretty good. I think they
got some future d one. What are your let's tall?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
It?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
So so my moves back in the day. I like
to go to the hoop. Yeah I was a shooter,
but I like to go to the hoop. I was
a big double pump layup guy. That was my favorite.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
So you had an old man white man.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Oh yeah, we're young. I was big into boxing out.
You know I do that boxing out. The coach would
always be excited if you did that. Uh, but what
was your coach? Are you a skyhook guy, since I would.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I would, so, first of all, I'm forty six now,
so my biggest concern about it one on one matchup.
And I'm just talking about half blowing out your ACL
probably oh yeah, or a bad sprained ankle and not
being able to finish the game. I don't think Angel
Reese makes about thirty five percent of her shots, and
I understand some of those are contested. She's not shooting
(35:17):
more than five feet away from the basket. I don't
think she could make contested shots against me. Now, I
am concerned for the point guards or the shooting guards
who can handle the basketball. I think they could get
to the basket and make step back shots on me.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I don't think Angel Reese could score on me. That's
way to get the old man hip check. You know
what I mean. You got to throw that weight around
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I mean Angel Reese is six'. THREE i am six.
FOOT i bet we probably jump about the same. Height
it's like she's gonna dunk on. ME i THINK i
could box her. OUT i Think i'm a better outside
shooter Than Angel. Reese and IF i got video of
you popping the, game IF i can see if you
actually can. Shoot IF i got to play with the
(36:01):
girl sized, basketball which is, SMALLER i could pault that
thing Like I'm shaquille. O'Neal i would make a lot
of outside. Shots if it's like A papa. Shot remember
When Ted cruz Played Jimmy. Kimmel i'll tell YOU i
would Smoke Jimmy kimmel in one on.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
One do you think you could Beat Jimmy kimmel in
one on?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
One?
Speaker 2 (36:18):
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